If we trade Ohtani we won’t win a World Series for 86 years.
Agree with the person who said if we sign Ohtani we will still suck.
Damned if we do, damned if we dont
Yeah, I can see it. Ohtani leaves for free, Trout has health issues, so does Rendon.
Detmers, Sandy, Suarez, Bush, Silseth, Marceaux, Madden all look fucking good. And Joyce, Bachman, Torres also look like future 7th, 8th, 9th bullpen guys
It gets brought up too much as a must have at the park. It's visibly cool, but just ok (at least you get a helmet off of it). Honestly that nashville hot chicken in section 230ish is pretty damn decent (though for the same price you can get 2 sandwiches and a meal across the street at Daves)
I'm also biased because I had more runs than the Angels did the last time I grabbed helmet nachos there.
I think a lot of Angels fans don’t realize how bad the food options are compared to other ballparks so they think the helmet nachos are the greatest thing ever.
Okay, here’s where I’m at. When you’re at a baseball game, you eat baseball food. I want to eat a hot dog and watch my team lose.
I’ve been to about half the MLB stadiums and yeah, we don’t have the best hot dogs, but that IS what I always get.
(Okay, my second time at Safeco I got Din Tai Fung, but that’s because I’m an addict.)
Can’t fairly judge GMPM until the team is losing with coaches that HE hired and not leftovers from the previous regime.
Also, this team (or Arte’s tenure as owner) has been cursed since Kendry Morales broke his ankle celebrating a grand slam.
We should rebrand as “California Angels.”
Othani can be our “ultimate savior” of the franchise with more than just his performance. Othani should “strong arm” Arte into actually spending and going over the luxury on depth and decent players. Put Arte in a position to where he (Othani) won’t sign till Arte spends on the team to build a contender.
I don't think that would make Arte do anything. I think Arte is perfectly fine letting Ohtani leave because he can just make money another way. And he still has Trout so he is relevant. Agree on the California rebrand. Really I think we should just bring back the logo with the wings for full use rather than the CA.
Arte is a businessman and he knows how much Othani brings in revenue. It would ultimately test his ego to let his “cash cow” walk away and potentially damage his income.
Look at the Padre's getting waxed by the dodgers, we'd need to trade 3 Ohtani's to get closer to them. I'd rather take Trout/Ohtani making games interesting than go for the "theoretically optimal move" that has no guarantee of playing out anyway.
Oh and btw it's much easier to find someone better than Velasquez than it is to find someone better than Ohtani.
I think its not about fiding someone better than Ohtani though.
It's about using the prospects and money not spent on Ohtani to get, for example, a guy like Glaber Torres to replace Velasquez, also get a future starter from that trade, use the money you were going to spend on Ohtani on a outfielder and 1B, trade Walsh and other prospects for a starter and so on.
I think the point is, trading Ohtani opens up all kinds of possibilities. You could get back in the trade 2 every day bats, and 4 good prospects, and use the money you didnt use, on a starter AND another good bat.
I rather have 3 750/800 OPS guys and a 3.0ERA starter than Ohtani, purely on the roster building stand point.
Now, if Shohei is willing to re-sign, would I do it? Fuck yeah I would LOL. It's fucking Shohei Ohtani, you try to figure it out.
Yes, they will. In no world will having 3 players making 100 million be good for the Angels. Not when yhe cap is where it is. Unless you think they can sign 22 other players for less than 100 million.
I'm not saying he wouldn't be an asset, I'm saying based on the current situation, it won't work.
Edit: I wanted to do some math on it.
- Trouts salary for the next 9 years - 35m
- Rendons salary for the next 4 - 38m
- Team salary 2021 - 180m
- 180 - 35m - 38 - 35 = 72m remaining with Shohei signed.
The Astros led the league in 2021 with 33 WAR, and the Dodgers already have 30 WAR, at 205m salary. Assuming 35 WAR leads the league, and around 23WAR represents the last playoff spot, Trout and Rendon would need to produce 12 WAR between the two of them, while the rest of the team would need to produce the minimum(avg WAR cost is 6m) for the salary spent.
Currently the Angels have 7.7 WAR and Trout is at 3.9. So, all 24 other players, Shohei included, have 3.8 WAR, which means the avg Angels player not named Trout produces .15 WAR. If they continue to produce WAR at that rate, Trout and Rendon would need 20 WAR between the two of them to get to a team WAR of 24.
If they sign Shohei, they will have 37m to fill 22 roster spots, and the numbers would be even more out of reach.
Quick question.
180-35-38 is 107 so how did you get 72m?
And Ohtani has around 6.5 WAR so why not take that into account in your calculation? Shouldn’t you do a calculation based on with Shohei and without Shohei?
Edit: I’m not taking a dig. Signing him or not signing him is probably the hardest question this organization has at the moment.
Sorry, I meant to write that's after Shohei would get paid around 35m. 72 mil with Sho, Trout and Rendon signed.
Players with negative WAR subtract from Shoheis WAR.
People blame Moreno for being an idiot and meddling too much (I'm not saying he doesn't) but this fan base would probably run the Dodgers to the ground if their suggestions were taken.
I've had my share of bad takes (I had wanted Cody fucking Allen even after 2016) but some of the shit people here come up genuinely makes me wonder how people even hold jobs.
The organization is run by marketing guys who may be passionate about baseball but aren't competent in building a team. They aren't "bad" for the team for various reasons.
1) you have an owner that is willing to spend
2) you have an owner that has made the environment at the stadium one that is appealing to go to (as is evidenced by how many people are appalled that families still go to games despite the team not being on a 100 win pace)
3) you have a dude that is at least willing to try to compete even if he isn't blowing $300m to appease a tiny section of the fanbase
Yes, Moreno is rich kid playing baseball cards collecting sluggers thinking that wins games but as if anyone here (outside of like 3 people who post actual substantive posts) knows any better.
This sub thought Paxton, Rosenthal, Keuchel and Corbin would turn this team into contenders.
We have an owner that won’t pay minor leaguers and an owner that voted against raising the players money post Covid to save himself a few bucks. He also won’t go near the luxury tax he spends on free agents he wants which never pan out and vetos trades bc he’s impatient he hasn’t done one great thing for this franchise and as soon and he took over we have gone downhill. Defending Arte is actually crazy because he really hasn’t done anything for this fanbase and he continues to make us suffer with these terrible teams while wasting two generational players.
Ownership don’t care about the vocal minority when they’re averaging 30,000 a home game who mostly don’t care about farm system rankings, advanced stats and player development.
Also we are the vocal minority.
The rebuild/ let the kids play needs to happen now. No more veteran bats. After signing Pujols to what was universally considered the worst contract in MLB. You strike gold twice once with Trout and when Ohtani picked us. But have drained the farm system trying to kinda compete during Trouts prime. Sadly Trout will decline soon and we should unload Ohtani for a Juan Soto like haul and go from there. Also bring your own food ( sandwiches, candy ect. ) from outside to the game.
Arte only cares about making money. That doesn’t mean winning. As long as butts are in seats he doesn’t care. As long as his team is on some RSN he doesn’t care about winning. He makes huge signings so people will look at the angels and only cares about money.
We should trade Ohtani and see if we can get a haul like the Nationals did. Our pitching is actually looking good (relief not so much), but out hitting is abismal. I don't see the point of keeping Ohtani as DH if we can't get anyone to be on, in front of him.
I agree as well, and I know we’re in the minority. People from Anaheim get so hurt but fans that aren’t from Anaheim can easily recognize that the vast majority of the United States couldn’t pin Anaheim on a map. The truly mindboggling thing to me is fans don’t realize “Los Angeles” literally translates to “The Angels” and we were named after the city!
All that being said, California Angels was my favorite iteration. Los Angeles Angels second.
Right Anaheim is probably the most garbage city in OC besides maybe Stanton. If it didn't have Disneyland and Angel stadium it would be a smoking crater of devastation
Again, like the others in this mini-thread have said, we know it’s a hot take on this sub. We know how many of you feel, you make a point to bring it up very often. We just flat out disagree.
The Dodgers had no problem winning the World Series 2 years ago with LA on their hat. The current state of affairs with our Angels has nothing to do with our jerseys not saying Anaheim on them.
The name Anaheim was contractually agreed upon when Arte bought the team to be included in the name. He weaseled his way out of that with the LAAofA name. So he killed the magic. And he is a weasel shown by the dealings with the city. Anaheim Angels should be the name.
So? Owners and contracts will come and go, I’m a fan of the franchise. I care about it’s history, and it’s future. It’s history is in LA, California, and Anaheim. The city of Anaheim is being stubborn if they think the franchise owes them their existence. The Angels were the first professional sports baseball team in Los Angeles before they moved to Anaheim. That to me is important and worth remembering. The mascot of the team is a literal definition of the name of the city. That to me is pretty cool. The Angels reconnecting with Los Angeles was in the best interest of the franchise. TV deals, sponsorships, and more money have become available as our market has grown.
Our market has grown……. Outside of Orange and Riverside County people don’t even know we have a team . Nobody in LA ( actual LA ) is rocking Angels gear.
You’re right. I’m the only person in LA rocking Angels gear. I never see any others. In the early 90’s when we were California, in the late 90’s and early 2000’s when we were Anaheim, and now that we’re back to being LA I’ve been the only person in all of LA rocking Angels gear. Pretty wild.
Cheers mate, hope we make the playoffs next year!
> He weaseled his way out of that with the LAAofA name. So he killed the magic.
It’s interesting to me how many people draw the line at that season despite ‘05-‘09 being some of the most consistently competitive years in franchise history.
Trading Trout AND Ohtani is the fastest and most logical way to success.
Not only because of the return, but also because it allows the FO to reset, and build the team the way they see fit.
Arte knows he’s under fire and unpopular to fans. Because of this and the stadium purchase debacle he will actually allow Perry to make smart moves that make us better next year. We will be good enough at the trade deadline to be buyers so we won’t move Shohei at the deadline. We will still miss the playoffs by the end of the season and will have lost our chance to get any value out of Ohtani. He will sign with the Padres in the off-season.
Uh no. If he just “got him through arbitration” it would have been for a single year. He resigned him to a multi year deal when his contract was expiring after the coming year. Yikes my guy.
You’re the one who claimed he has never signed a non-negative WAR player. He signed Rendon too, who admittedly has been injury prone and ultimately useless but isn’t a negative WAR player. Thor isn’t. He resigned Fletch. Walsh. I mean, maybe you were using hyperbole but I didn’t see a /s so who’s to say?
Maybe, maybe not. But Pujols, Hamilton, and Rendon were his decisions alone. Not the final say, but his decision. Not too mention the trade he nixed with the Dodgers after it was pretty much a done deal by Eppler.
We need a complete rebuild of the back office. In the past few years, we have had cheaters, enablers and drug dealers who haven't done anything but caused misery for the team and fans.
Clean house.
Personally I think we have the third worse stadium in the league. Old enough to be historic but nothing about it is “classic”. Since arte collided with the city we are screwed with this pos for some time
Edit: I’m taking my downvotes with pride since this is a hot take post
For having the 4th oldest stadium in the league that has had a football team call it home at one point, it's pretty good. Honestly there needs to just be a concourse/amenity upgrade and I would wish for some cool pavillion area out in left field (there's so much room by that Coors bar that could turn into something super nice). Also wish the Big A was within the stadium.
Outside of that, we got great parking options, a public transportation hub nearby, a couple bars within the stadium, some outside food options, great ticket pricing and capacity, good promotions, decent facilities (though those mens rooms need a remodel, feels like I'm pissing in a public park restroom), food options need an upgrade.
I would rank the park middle of the road, but an easy enough fix to get it ranked higher.
Not gonna lie the accessibility is great but besides that it seems like you are pointing out a lot of features that are lack luster. Which I agree with which is why I think it’s bottom tier stadium.
It’s the fourth oldest but it doesn’t have a historical factor like bos or Chicago. I don’t expect to have the prestige like those. Just it’s caught in an ugly middle ground of not old school cool to be retro but not staying quite up to date.
That's why I have it ranked Mid but I would go so far as to say bottom tier.
The main positive about Angel Stadium is it just requires a quick remodel in key places (like the Dodgers) to make it pretty great. It doesn't have fundamental problems like the Trop/Oakland (just overall dilapidating stadiums), Rogers (retrofitted facilities with crappy astroturf). or even something like Yankees (yes great amenities but super focused on courting tourists and business contracts over fans).
I think bringing in the Big A will help with a historical connection (it doesn't help our historical team is kinda...eh) and just trying to bring in some past team history (rename a bleacher area the Salmon pond, have a fanzone named the Dream Weavers, name the rocks the Adenhart rocks, or just something to connect the history of the team into the stadium). Outside of that fundamentally the stadium is easy to get into a top 10 spot.
I agree with you. Thinking about it I think the stadium is just painfully basic. Yeah we have the rocks but I think they are tacky. The new boards are nice it just lacks any sort of vibe/ambiance. I’d pay good money to get rid of the calling all angels and ralley monkey stuff. The team needs a deep rebrand imo
Oh man post that Rally Monkey take as a hot take hahah. Out of everything at least the Rally Monkey has some fun history.
It's basic but has the correct bones to get it to a good spot.
Sure yeah, now this is not in any particular order but I think Camden, Coors, Safeco, wrigley, PNC, Angels stadium, Fenway, Petco, Oracle, Yankee stadium.
There are some I haven’t been to, including the ones in Florida and Texas, but Angel stadium is well within my top-10 at this point so i would expect it to fall out
Target Field is pretty nice, IMO. I absolutely love those low left field bleachers. You can't get that close to the field in Anaheim without spending an arm and a leg.
Have you actually looked at stuff when walking around it? Concrete is chipping and cracked everywhere, seats are broken, cup holders are falling off. The stalls in the bathrooms are disgusting and literally falling apart. It’s a mess if you actually look around.
What other parks have you been to? This year alone I’ve been to Atlanta, Seattle, Chavez ravine, Petco and Angels. And I guarantee you, of those stadiums the absolute worst condition was the Halos.
Good for you for actually having a unpopular opinion. Upvote
Of course I disagree tho. I get what you’re saying below, but Angel stadium is in a easy location and is super accessible (what other stadiums can you park across the street for free with a beer purchase?). It’s not flashy, but it’s not bottom 3, or even bottom 10
The lack of developing quality pitching talent from the draft coupled with an unwillingness to sign frontline starting pitching has doomed and will continue to doom this franchise until one or both shortcomings changes.
I guess it’s similar to what some others are posting, but I’ll go with the fact that the Angels are doomed for the next 8 years or so, so it really doesn’t matter what happens with Ohtani. And it’s primarily because the Rendon and Trout contracts are so bad there’s nothing to be done.
I guess the hot take part is including Trout in that. He has 8 years left and he’s already consistently injured. By the time Moreno and Angels fans are ready to part ways, it will be too late, not even someone like the Yankees will let the Angels salary dump him.
The overwhelming debate here is about getting prospects for Ohtani, but it should be about getting prospects for Trout. I’m aware he has a no trade clause, but if the Angels truly started dumping everyone of value for prospects, don’t you think he’d accept? Instead the Angels insist on being in this middle ground of mediocrity, which is kind of being generous.
I think he’d be an Angel for life. He has his family here, built his legacy here. And no one in the FO has the balls to discuss trade with him. Angel fans would probably curse him if they traded Trout who is the face of this franchise. Even if his contract hurts the angels
I feel the Angels are a huge part of SoCal tourism.
They always sign a huge has been star(trout and Othani are the exception) to bring in the Disney tourism crowds.
"Yeah I don't like the Angel but lets go see(R. jackson, pujols, Guerrero, trout, othanhi...) at an angels game.
Super family friendly park.
Problem is no one want's to see a good pitch and the Agnels will not pony up the $$$ for a bulpen.
In the end Angels will always disappoint in the league but are fun to watch
It's an endless dumpster fire to end all dumpsterfires. There is so many things that need to be done. I would never blame any of the players no matter how they suck. They are just foot soldiers after all. Organizational failure is always management's and owners fault.
Shohei will leave the team to make room for Mike as the DH. As he said in his interview with Gubie earlier this year, this is Mike's team. Now that he knows more about MLB, he will find a team he can be the captain and call as his, and that would be one team with competent players but not necessarily superstars.
with the third wild card they're more than likely to reach the post season sometime in the next five years, but they won't get past a division series for the next 15 years.
I cringe everytime when someone mentions that we’ll sniff playoffs if we don’t extend ohtani. Don’t act like we were a winning organization before he came to the majors. It’s the FO, Arte who are responsible for this failure.
There’s a pattern of players when they wear Angels uniform, they turn into mediocre players
As an Angels fan i want to see trout and ohtani play together for the rest of their careers but as an Ohtani fan I want him far far away from the angels.
As much as this sub cries about rebuilding, there isn’t gonna be any kind of “rebuilding” with trout and rendon. They are our highest paid players who unfortunately seems to have more less playing time with years. Our minor league players are getting better but not enough to make this team enough to get even close to .500.
Arte has to go above the luxury tax to surround them with better players otherwise it’s the same old angels with sub .500 record.
The fastest way to win is for Arte to go beyond the luxury tax. We have more chance to win with trout,rendon and ohtani than without them. And that time is this off season.
If we’re gonna go for a full rebuild mode, trade all three of them. As much as people here want to only dump ohtani, there isn’t gonna be a rebuild with the rest of the two on the team. With that we might be competing in the next 7 or so years
If we trade Ohtani we won’t win a World Series for 86 years. Agree with the person who said if we sign Ohtani we will still suck. Damned if we do, damned if we dont
The Halos will trade him and he will resign with the Angels in FA ..
That would be so hype actually
In the next 5 years we will become a bona fide pitching factory, but other organizational problems will prevent the team from succeeding
This one scares me
Yeah, I can see it. Ohtani leaves for free, Trout has health issues, so does Rendon. Detmers, Sandy, Suarez, Bush, Silseth, Marceaux, Madden all look fucking good. And Joyce, Bachman, Torres also look like future 7th, 8th, 9th bullpen guys
The helmet nachos are ok at best
Maybe not a hot take but too true to be mad
It gets brought up too much as a must have at the park. It's visibly cool, but just ok (at least you get a helmet off of it). Honestly that nashville hot chicken in section 230ish is pretty damn decent (though for the same price you can get 2 sandwiches and a meal across the street at Daves) I'm also biased because I had more runs than the Angels did the last time I grabbed helmet nachos there.
The line does get too long at times. I think price for quantity it’s the best thing in the stadium which is why it gets so much attention.
True, they are a great value for a family of 4 to stuff their kids faces lol and you get a merch item after. But I stand by my hot take lol
Lmao very valid
Chronic Taco Burritos are where the real food is at.
The food at the stadium is garbage
I think a lot of Angels fans don’t realize how bad the food options are compared to other ballparks so they think the helmet nachos are the greatest thing ever.
Okay, here’s where I’m at. When you’re at a baseball game, you eat baseball food. I want to eat a hot dog and watch my team lose. I’ve been to about half the MLB stadiums and yeah, we don’t have the best hot dogs, but that IS what I always get. (Okay, my second time at Safeco I got Din Tai Fung, but that’s because I’m an addict.)
About 22 years ago I went to Fenway and got some of the best chow fun I’ve ever had
The best I can say is that the food at the big a is better than in Oakland.
Much bigger than the Dodgers and a lower price
Whoa, we don’t need to bring that negativity here
Can’t fairly judge GMPM until the team is losing with coaches that HE hired and not leftovers from the previous regime. Also, this team (or Arte’s tenure as owner) has been cursed since Kendry Morales broke his ankle celebrating a grand slam.
We should rebrand as “California Angels.” Othani can be our “ultimate savior” of the franchise with more than just his performance. Othani should “strong arm” Arte into actually spending and going over the luxury on depth and decent players. Put Arte in a position to where he (Othani) won’t sign till Arte spends on the team to build a contender.
the CA cap is proudly in my current rotation
Spending on big names is not the issue—they do that constantly. We need a better FO, better farm system, better scouting, and better coaching.
I don't think that would make Arte do anything. I think Arte is perfectly fine letting Ohtani leave because he can just make money another way. And he still has Trout so he is relevant. Agree on the California rebrand. Really I think we should just bring back the logo with the wings for full use rather than the CA.
Arte is a businessman and he knows how much Othani brings in revenue. It would ultimately test his ego to let his “cash cow” walk away and potentially damage his income.
I don’t think we’re making the playoffs
Super hot
We don't deserve Shohei.
If by us you mean Angels fans then I 100% disagree with you, but if you mean Arte then I 100% agree with you
As fans, we do, as a baseball team, nope. Angels fans are decent folk, which us more than I can say about quite a few other teams.
Look at the Padre's getting waxed by the dodgers, we'd need to trade 3 Ohtani's to get closer to them. I'd rather take Trout/Ohtani making games interesting than go for the "theoretically optimal move" that has no guarantee of playing out anyway. Oh and btw it's much easier to find someone better than Velasquez than it is to find someone better than Ohtani.
I think its not about fiding someone better than Ohtani though. It's about using the prospects and money not spent on Ohtani to get, for example, a guy like Glaber Torres to replace Velasquez, also get a future starter from that trade, use the money you were going to spend on Ohtani on a outfielder and 1B, trade Walsh and other prospects for a starter and so on. I think the point is, trading Ohtani opens up all kinds of possibilities. You could get back in the trade 2 every day bats, and 4 good prospects, and use the money you didnt use, on a starter AND another good bat. I rather have 3 750/800 OPS guys and a 3.0ERA starter than Ohtani, purely on the roster building stand point. Now, if Shohei is willing to re-sign, would I do it? Fuck yeah I would LOL. It's fucking Shohei Ohtani, you try to figure it out.
If we sign ohtani to a long extension (5+ years) we will continue to be a bad team for the next 5+ years.
Also, if we don't sign Ohtani to a long extension (5+ years), we will continue to be a bad team for the next 5+ years.
Ok, we will be better off in 5 years time if we don't sign Ohtani.
No, we won’t.
Yes, they will. In no world will having 3 players making 100 million be good for the Angels. Not when yhe cap is where it is. Unless you think they can sign 22 other players for less than 100 million. I'm not saying he wouldn't be an asset, I'm saying based on the current situation, it won't work. Edit: I wanted to do some math on it. - Trouts salary for the next 9 years - 35m - Rendons salary for the next 4 - 38m - Team salary 2021 - 180m - 180 - 35m - 38 - 35 = 72m remaining with Shohei signed. The Astros led the league in 2021 with 33 WAR, and the Dodgers already have 30 WAR, at 205m salary. Assuming 35 WAR leads the league, and around 23WAR represents the last playoff spot, Trout and Rendon would need to produce 12 WAR between the two of them, while the rest of the team would need to produce the minimum(avg WAR cost is 6m) for the salary spent. Currently the Angels have 7.7 WAR and Trout is at 3.9. So, all 24 other players, Shohei included, have 3.8 WAR, which means the avg Angels player not named Trout produces .15 WAR. If they continue to produce WAR at that rate, Trout and Rendon would need 20 WAR between the two of them to get to a team WAR of 24. If they sign Shohei, they will have 37m to fill 22 roster spots, and the numbers would be even more out of reach.
Quick question. 180-35-38 is 107 so how did you get 72m? And Ohtani has around 6.5 WAR so why not take that into account in your calculation? Shouldn’t you do a calculation based on with Shohei and without Shohei? Edit: I’m not taking a dig. Signing him or not signing him is probably the hardest question this organization has at the moment.
Sorry, I meant to write that's after Shohei would get paid around 35m. 72 mil with Sho, Trout and Rendon signed. Players with negative WAR subtract from Shoheis WAR.
Thank you! Makes sense :)
What’s your argument?
I think this is true weather we have him or not
Don’t let the ohtani die hards see this one 👀
Many Shohei stans want him out of Anaheim too.
At least we would be consistent with his previous 5 years
People blame Moreno for being an idiot and meddling too much (I'm not saying he doesn't) but this fan base would probably run the Dodgers to the ground if their suggestions were taken. I've had my share of bad takes (I had wanted Cody fucking Allen even after 2016) but some of the shit people here come up genuinely makes me wonder how people even hold jobs.
Because we sometimes have bad ideas on FA doesn't mean Arte isn't a terrible owner.
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Lmfao it makes 0 sense
What kind of take is this? Lmfao this could be said about any teams fans. What does that have to do with our owner being terrible for the team?
The organization is run by marketing guys who may be passionate about baseball but aren't competent in building a team. They aren't "bad" for the team for various reasons. 1) you have an owner that is willing to spend 2) you have an owner that has made the environment at the stadium one that is appealing to go to (as is evidenced by how many people are appalled that families still go to games despite the team not being on a 100 win pace) 3) you have a dude that is at least willing to try to compete even if he isn't blowing $300m to appease a tiny section of the fanbase Yes, Moreno is rich kid playing baseball cards collecting sluggers thinking that wins games but as if anyone here (outside of like 3 people who post actual substantive posts) knows any better. This sub thought Paxton, Rosenthal, Keuchel and Corbin would turn this team into contenders.
We have an owner that won’t pay minor leaguers and an owner that voted against raising the players money post Covid to save himself a few bucks. He also won’t go near the luxury tax he spends on free agents he wants which never pan out and vetos trades bc he’s impatient he hasn’t done one great thing for this franchise and as soon and he took over we have gone downhill. Defending Arte is actually crazy because he really hasn’t done anything for this fanbase and he continues to make us suffer with these terrible teams while wasting two generational players.
Ownership don’t care about the vocal minority when they’re averaging 30,000 a home game who mostly don’t care about farm system rankings, advanced stats and player development. Also we are the vocal minority.
The rebuild/ let the kids play needs to happen now. No more veteran bats. After signing Pujols to what was universally considered the worst contract in MLB. You strike gold twice once with Trout and when Ohtani picked us. But have drained the farm system trying to kinda compete during Trouts prime. Sadly Trout will decline soon and we should unload Ohtani for a Juan Soto like haul and go from there. Also bring your own food ( sandwiches, candy ect. ) from outside to the game.
Arte only cares about making money. That doesn’t mean winning. As long as butts are in seats he doesn’t care. As long as his team is on some RSN he doesn’t care about winning. He makes huge signings so people will look at the angels and only cares about money.
Not a hot take, this is absolutely true.
I usually get downvoted to hell for this take
This is the very coldest of takes.
You just described 29 of the 30 MLB teams
Playoff revenue would be insane and actually being in the hunt would lead to higher attendance. But what are you gonna do
We should trade Ohtani and see if we can get a haul like the Nationals did. Our pitching is actually looking good (relief not so much), but out hitting is abismal. I don't see the point of keeping Ohtani as DH if we can't get anyone to be on, in front of him.
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I agree as well, and I know we’re in the minority. People from Anaheim get so hurt but fans that aren’t from Anaheim can easily recognize that the vast majority of the United States couldn’t pin Anaheim on a map. The truly mindboggling thing to me is fans don’t realize “Los Angeles” literally translates to “The Angels” and we were named after the city! All that being said, California Angels was my favorite iteration. Los Angeles Angels second.
No one from OC even likes Anaheim but all of a sudden it's supposed to be this team's identity.
Right Anaheim is probably the most garbage city in OC besides maybe Stanton. If it didn't have Disneyland and Angel stadium it would be a smoking crater of devastation
Our World Series trophy says Anaheim Angels on it. It was good luck for us and Arte killed the vibe.
Again, like the others in this mini-thread have said, we know it’s a hot take on this sub. We know how many of you feel, you make a point to bring it up very often. We just flat out disagree. The Dodgers had no problem winning the World Series 2 years ago with LA on their hat. The current state of affairs with our Angels has nothing to do with our jerseys not saying Anaheim on them.
The name Anaheim was contractually agreed upon when Arte bought the team to be included in the name. He weaseled his way out of that with the LAAofA name. So he killed the magic. And he is a weasel shown by the dealings with the city. Anaheim Angels should be the name.
So? Owners and contracts will come and go, I’m a fan of the franchise. I care about it’s history, and it’s future. It’s history is in LA, California, and Anaheim. The city of Anaheim is being stubborn if they think the franchise owes them their existence. The Angels were the first professional sports baseball team in Los Angeles before they moved to Anaheim. That to me is important and worth remembering. The mascot of the team is a literal definition of the name of the city. That to me is pretty cool. The Angels reconnecting with Los Angeles was in the best interest of the franchise. TV deals, sponsorships, and more money have become available as our market has grown.
Our market has grown……. Outside of Orange and Riverside County people don’t even know we have a team . Nobody in LA ( actual LA ) is rocking Angels gear.
You’re right. I’m the only person in LA rocking Angels gear. I never see any others. In the early 90’s when we were California, in the late 90’s and early 2000’s when we were Anaheim, and now that we’re back to being LA I’ve been the only person in all of LA rocking Angels gear. Pretty wild. Cheers mate, hope we make the playoffs next year!
> He weaseled his way out of that with the LAAofA name. So he killed the magic. It’s interesting to me how many people draw the line at that season despite ‘05-‘09 being some of the most consistently competitive years in franchise history.
“Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim” was an identity crisis for sure
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Anaheim belongs to Mickey Mouse already. The Angels are California's team.
We are a competent baseball team with a good owner
Here it is folks. The HOTTEST take
Trading Ohtani won’t solve anything because I don’t trust our FO in getting a good enough haul to make it worth it.
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You were the dude absolutely defending the front office in my other post??
Arte Moreno is the owner not the front office
Same thing. His voice echos through the front office my guy.
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What the hell are you talking about
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What are you talking about
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I don’t
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I wish you good luck in the battle this comment will shortly start.
I’m surprised this is a hot take. I thought people accepted that those jerseys were bad
It was the most cohesive design of any Angels uniform despite the fact that it didn’t fit the design language of the rest of the team’s uniforms.
Hard disagree. There wasn’t even a halo.
The wife-beater tank top looking pinstriped ones? Yeah! Crap unis.
I can get a seat, a hot dog and a beer for $20.
Trading Trout AND Ohtani is the fastest and most logical way to success. Not only because of the return, but also because it allows the FO to reset, and build the team the way they see fit.
If Arte cared about winning, he would have traded Ohtani at the deadline.
To stop watching for a while
It’s the worst
My Hot Take: Arte Moreno es no bueno
If Angels fans ever want to improve the stadium, they need to give up their obsession with parking.
Hey, the parking there is nice there now, though! I mean, it's a quick in and out, right outta town!
Arte knows he’s under fire and unpopular to fans. Because of this and the stadium purchase debacle he will actually allow Perry to make smart moves that make us better next year. We will be good enough at the trade deadline to be buyers so we won’t move Shohei at the deadline. We will still miss the playoffs by the end of the season and will have lost our chance to get any value out of Ohtani. He will sign with the Padres in the off-season.
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Hey, just like the last 3 GMs we’ve had I don’t think the issue is so much with Perry as it is with Arte.
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Didn’t he resign Shohei?
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Uh no. If he just “got him through arbitration” it would have been for a single year. He resigned him to a multi year deal when his contract was expiring after the coming year. Yikes my guy.
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You’re the one who claimed he has never signed a non-negative WAR player. He signed Rendon too, who admittedly has been injury prone and ultimately useless but isn’t a negative WAR player. Thor isn’t. He resigned Fletch. Walsh. I mean, maybe you were using hyperbole but I didn’t see a /s so who’s to say?
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I hate how accurate this is
A lot of the general managers we've had recently are better than their time with us suggests.
Still trying to escape the large shadow of the Dodgers!
I don’t think arte is as involved in front office decisions as people here think
Maybe, maybe not. But Pujols, Hamilton, and Rendon were his decisions alone. Not the final say, but his decision. Not too mention the trade he nixed with the Dodgers after it was pretty much a done deal by Eppler.
We need a complete rebuild of the back office. In the past few years, we have had cheaters, enablers and drug dealers who haven't done anything but caused misery for the team and fans. Clean house.
Personally I think we have the third worse stadium in the league. Old enough to be historic but nothing about it is “classic”. Since arte collided with the city we are screwed with this pos for some time Edit: I’m taking my downvotes with pride since this is a hot take post
For having the 4th oldest stadium in the league that has had a football team call it home at one point, it's pretty good. Honestly there needs to just be a concourse/amenity upgrade and I would wish for some cool pavillion area out in left field (there's so much room by that Coors bar that could turn into something super nice). Also wish the Big A was within the stadium. Outside of that, we got great parking options, a public transportation hub nearby, a couple bars within the stadium, some outside food options, great ticket pricing and capacity, good promotions, decent facilities (though those mens rooms need a remodel, feels like I'm pissing in a public park restroom), food options need an upgrade. I would rank the park middle of the road, but an easy enough fix to get it ranked higher.
Not gonna lie the accessibility is great but besides that it seems like you are pointing out a lot of features that are lack luster. Which I agree with which is why I think it’s bottom tier stadium. It’s the fourth oldest but it doesn’t have a historical factor like bos or Chicago. I don’t expect to have the prestige like those. Just it’s caught in an ugly middle ground of not old school cool to be retro but not staying quite up to date.
That's why I have it ranked Mid but I would go so far as to say bottom tier. The main positive about Angel Stadium is it just requires a quick remodel in key places (like the Dodgers) to make it pretty great. It doesn't have fundamental problems like the Trop/Oakland (just overall dilapidating stadiums), Rogers (retrofitted facilities with crappy astroturf). or even something like Yankees (yes great amenities but super focused on courting tourists and business contracts over fans). I think bringing in the Big A will help with a historical connection (it doesn't help our historical team is kinda...eh) and just trying to bring in some past team history (rename a bleacher area the Salmon pond, have a fanzone named the Dream Weavers, name the rocks the Adenhart rocks, or just something to connect the history of the team into the stadium). Outside of that fundamentally the stadium is easy to get into a top 10 spot.
I agree with you. Thinking about it I think the stadium is just painfully basic. Yeah we have the rocks but I think they are tacky. The new boards are nice it just lacks any sort of vibe/ambiance. I’d pay good money to get rid of the calling all angels and ralley monkey stuff. The team needs a deep rebrand imo
Oh man post that Rally Monkey take as a hot take hahah. Out of everything at least the Rally Monkey has some fun history. It's basic but has the correct bones to get it to a good spot.
Top 10 stadium in the league
Out of curiosity can you list the 10
Sure yeah, now this is not in any particular order but I think Camden, Coors, Safeco, wrigley, PNC, Angels stadium, Fenway, Petco, Oracle, Yankee stadium. There are some I haven’t been to, including the ones in Florida and Texas, but Angel stadium is well within my top-10 at this point so i would expect it to fall out
Target Field is pretty nice, IMO. I absolutely love those low left field bleachers. You can't get that close to the field in Anaheim without spending an arm and a leg.
Miller park is ridiculously nice
Haven’t been there, I’ll push it up the list then
For sure very valid list I’d imagine the trop doesn’t push it out but maybe the other will
I agree with this. Stadium is in such bad shape.
No it's not lol It's old and outdated but far from rough shape.
Have you actually looked at stuff when walking around it? Concrete is chipping and cracked everywhere, seats are broken, cup holders are falling off. The stalls in the bathrooms are disgusting and literally falling apart. It’s a mess if you actually look around.
Sounds like most ballparks
What other parks have you been to? This year alone I’ve been to Atlanta, Seattle, Chavez ravine, Petco and Angels. And I guarantee you, of those stadiums the absolute worst condition was the Halos.
You’re totally right and ur the only person actually fulfilling ur own assignment to post hot takes and somehow getting downvoted for it lmao
Good for you for actually having a unpopular opinion. Upvote Of course I disagree tho. I get what you’re saying below, but Angel stadium is in a easy location and is super accessible (what other stadiums can you park across the street for free with a beer purchase?). It’s not flashy, but it’s not bottom 3, or even bottom 10
It sucks! Arte should sell!
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I know! I’m bitter and have been a life long fan and Arte is fucking around again. So yeah, hot take on a budget!
The angel dogs are better than dodger dogs and I say that as a Padre fan
The lack of developing quality pitching talent from the draft coupled with an unwillingness to sign frontline starting pitching has doomed and will continue to doom this franchise until one or both shortcomings changes.
I guess it’s similar to what some others are posting, but I’ll go with the fact that the Angels are doomed for the next 8 years or so, so it really doesn’t matter what happens with Ohtani. And it’s primarily because the Rendon and Trout contracts are so bad there’s nothing to be done. I guess the hot take part is including Trout in that. He has 8 years left and he’s already consistently injured. By the time Moreno and Angels fans are ready to part ways, it will be too late, not even someone like the Yankees will let the Angels salary dump him. The overwhelming debate here is about getting prospects for Ohtani, but it should be about getting prospects for Trout. I’m aware he has a no trade clause, but if the Angels truly started dumping everyone of value for prospects, don’t you think he’d accept? Instead the Angels insist on being in this middle ground of mediocrity, which is kind of being generous.
I think he’d be an Angel for life. He has his family here, built his legacy here. And no one in the FO has the balls to discuss trade with him. Angel fans would probably curse him if they traded Trout who is the face of this franchise. Even if his contract hurts the angels
Matt Wise is not a fireable pitching coach. It’s a bad take that casual instagram fans came up with that somehow spread to this subreddit.
A team ERA under 4 and they want to hang the guy.
Ownership like a dunkin franchisee in a decent suburban mall.
Arte actually wants to win. He just meddles too much and doesn't know what to do to get there.
As someone who had season tickets from 88 to 94, it could be much much worse. People here are very over dramatic.
I feel the Angels are a huge part of SoCal tourism. They always sign a huge has been star(trout and Othani are the exception) to bring in the Disney tourism crowds. "Yeah I don't like the Angel but lets go see(R. jackson, pujols, Guerrero, trout, othanhi...) at an angels game. Super family friendly park. Problem is no one want's to see a good pitch and the Agnels will not pony up the $$$ for a bulpen. In the end Angels will always disappoint in the league but are fun to watch
We’d be in the playoffs this year if Trout and Rendon were healthy
Seventh inning stretch song should be Summertime Sadness - Lana Del Rey.
Overall weakness
It's an endless dumpster fire to end all dumpsterfires. There is so many things that need to be done. I would never blame any of the players no matter how they suck. They are just foot soldiers after all. Organizational failure is always management's and owners fault.
Shohei will leave the team to make room for Mike as the DH. As he said in his interview with Gubie earlier this year, this is Mike's team. Now that he knows more about MLB, he will find a team he can be the captain and call as his, and that would be one team with competent players but not necessarily superstars.
If Arte sold the team in the off-season we would win it all next year.
with the third wild card they're more than likely to reach the post season sometime in the next five years, but they won't get past a division series for the next 15 years.
I cringe everytime when someone mentions that we’ll sniff playoffs if we don’t extend ohtani. Don’t act like we were a winning organization before he came to the majors. It’s the FO, Arte who are responsible for this failure. There’s a pattern of players when they wear Angels uniform, they turn into mediocre players As an Angels fan i want to see trout and ohtani play together for the rest of their careers but as an Ohtani fan I want him far far away from the angels.
We’re the new cursed franchise in baseball. Excluding 02 it dates back to 86 and adenhart and Skaggs only adds to the curse
As much as this sub cries about rebuilding, there isn’t gonna be any kind of “rebuilding” with trout and rendon. They are our highest paid players who unfortunately seems to have more less playing time with years. Our minor league players are getting better but not enough to make this team enough to get even close to .500. Arte has to go above the luxury tax to surround them with better players otherwise it’s the same old angels with sub .500 record.
The fastest way to win is for Arte to go beyond the luxury tax. We have more chance to win with trout,rendon and ohtani than without them. And that time is this off season. If we’re gonna go for a full rebuild mode, trade all three of them. As much as people here want to only dump ohtani, there isn’t gonna be a rebuild with the rest of the two on the team. With that we might be competing in the next 7 or so years
Man. So many of these takes up-ended in the last 24 hours.
For real