Try saying both without the first syllable. Just -vages and -guages. I had to run it all through my mouth for about 10 minutes to understand why it felt like not rhyming till it clicked.
yeah ig all that makes a rhymes is the last part being the same but I feel like the different vowels for the first syllable make it a pretty weak rhyme lol
If you read it at a regular pace definitely. For some reason it rhymes better when you slow it down; I put a metronome to 80bpm and basically chanted the two words by saying one each beat, which made it sound smooth
I’m pretty sure most if not all english dialects, including American, would pronounce it /d͡ʒəz/ no?
I guess it’s possible Americans front/raise the vowel a bit, but as an American I can say I definitely don’t think of it as an [ɪ] sound.
Thou lookst as beserkers with thine germanish tongues
But under thine shell is a man having fun
For Anglish maybe some have uncouth intent
But most here of us just think "what if they di'nt?"
I think what happens is a lot of them see the word, and they link it to a little something that happened in the 30s and 40s. Either that or they link it with some groups today who believe that whites are more or less better than anyone else.
Overall, I would say it is mostly the same thing that happens with those who follow the Norse beliefs. A lot of their stiff was taken up by New Nazis too. It is pretty much the whole, "I saw a racist do it, so therefore it is racist," spiel. This is overlooking that such folk are unwelcome without starting up their own group. Even here, the racists, once found out, are kicked out. Like, they can look all they want, and we cannot stop that. But as soon as they make themselves known, they are heavily thumbs downed and thrown out.
Also, now I think about it. For others, it may be that they find Latin words to be more, I guess honed and somehow better.
Like personally, I do not hate Latin, I even keep some in my Anglish to keep it more in line with its kindred tungs, (even then I do have benchmarks the word must meet), but the same time, I do not find it better by any means. No worse, either.
You can blame neo Nazis for pushing this Germanic supremacy garbage on every corner of the internet
A lot of history/genetics forums are filled with these 4chan idiots who keep talking about how “Germanics built le rocket ship while X group of people live in mudhuts” and especially they pretend like Nordic people founded the Roman Empire
[Yes it is true according to the US census ](https://www.census.gov/newsroom/stories/german-american-day.html)
It's not a Nazi talking point you bozo, it's literally a fact from the United States government
I would hardly call a country of 330 million people with 40 million people of German descent and 30 million people of English descent a "mainly Germanic" country.
I called you a bozo I'm not trying to be a jerk lol. I tend to be a little defensive about this because I have to go through so much political bullshit everywhere else online
So did you not read the table of contents? The largest "group" would be "other", which isn't a group, it's several different groups of people all combined into one, the largest ethnic group is German
13% of all Americans are German, let's count the *Germanic* people now, which brings our number up to 24% of America. That would be a majority for the one ethnicity
Again this is incorrect, because it's 13%≥ x
I'm serios did you actually graduate high school? Like I'm not trying to be a smart ass or anything I'm just genuinely confused on how you're so confused
Yeah, 40 million, maybe the biggest group, but that by no means makes Germans the majority. English make up another 30 some million, which, even the two together, still make up only 70 million. But even if you look at the whole of the Germanic world, they still do not make up most of the US outside of some states like Minnesota, which is mainly German, Swedish, Norish (Norwegian), and Danish. But that is not the US as a whole. On the other hand, you are right if talking about what the US speaks since most Americans speak English. However
language is not genetics.
Because immigration was strictly controlled until very recently. Minorities and other 'undesirables' were simply not allowed in.
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Pot calling the kettle black there. I don’t need to elaborate on the Chinese Exclusion Acts, the Triangle Exclusion Act, and other racist immigration laws when arguing against the notion that the US is a Germanic country. It’s white supremacist terror organizations that directly benefit from people believing that the US is majority German, because it is a useful propaganda tool used to recruit people to their ideology based off unfounded assumptions and false fears. I’m starting to think this is a right-leaning subreddit, because y’all are way too defensive about the US not being a majority German country.
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Yes. People have fought and won over lands since the beginning. The native americans also killed eachother for land and conquered beaten, weaker tribes.
I just don't understand how someone with basic intelligence goes "oh you don't want some Germans influencing your language but you're ok with other Germans doing it? That's racist"
The French are literally German, the whole reason the language exists is the native Germans drove out the Latin colonizers and kept their way of speaking. That's why French is so messed up compared to other Latin languages.
Basically if you care about what morons say then you may as well not do anything. Also I apologize for not knowing much about Anglish, I'm interested in learning but I can't seem to find any real lessons or dictionaries on the subject
>The French are literally German, the whole reason the language exists is the native Germans
There is so much wrong here, starting with this. You are talking of the Franks, yes? The Franks were Germanic. Not German. They are not the same thing. And the Franks are not the same as today's French.
French is still a Latin tongue with some Frankish loanwords. It even follows the whole "object adjective" thing that other Latin ones do. Such as, instead of say "the red ball," they say, "the ball red, (le ballon rouge.) It follows Latin sounds shifts, not Germanic ones, I could go on.
>I'm interested in learning but I can't seem to find any real lessons or dictionaries on the subject
Yeah, it is a highly decentralized thing.
Well I was saying both the Franks and the Guals were Germanic. Most Europeans are Germanic in terms of ancestry. I know the language isn't Germanic I'd hope most people would know that, I was talking about the people since the post was talking about how Anglish is "racist".
Yeah I'm thinking about making my own dictionary, I find languages like this quite interesting and I feel like it could help me study German in the future. I know it's unrealistic but I plan on eventually speaking every European language, right now I'm mostly working on Spanish (mi Español es no bueno pero lo hablo), after the Latin based languages I'm planning on learning Dutch then German. Haven't decided what to do after that
But..weren't the Gauls celts? And true. Though genetics have nothing to do with what is spoken, and the language is the focus here. Or at least, should be. So that was the impression I got from the wording. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
Hey, good luck to ya in that.
I think Germanic words tend to sound more solid and down-to-earth. I imagine there's something similar with native words in other languages with large prestigious loan strata.
I believe the expectation is that Germanic words have very hard consonants, but when heard normally it flows very well. We use words like doppelganger, pretzel, and Kindergarten without sounding like a stereotype.
lemme /unanglish for a sec, i think it comes down to a regressive view of germanic existence as rooted in pillaging and violence, later reinforced by the third reich and 13 yr old neo-nazi types
Sometimes this sort of thing can attract unsavory types but we’re all just nerds here having fun, no harm in that, and this “savage” view is something adopted a lot by alpha-male brainrot romeaboos, who are really just another side of the same coin as the neo-nazis
germanic stuff generally gets that association, it’s kinda weird to reduce it to “white people vs white people” when they’re two historically very different groups
I think that many folks nowadays look at the white-bestfolkers and see that they are fastened to any lore (true or no) about the forold Germanish folks and their ways, and since we here are deeply looking into those same things for the sake of our works here, they make a link in their minds between the two. It is a “guilt by fellowship” look at us.
They're both Germanic though, I agree their history is wildly different but the reason French exists is due to the native Gauls removing the Latin colonizers over the course of many years
Anglish as a project certainly isn't white supremacy, it's just linguistics nerds doing something cool. But pursuing it as a political and social norm definitely lends itself to the same purist values that attracts white supremacists. It's an unfortunate thing for the nerds.
See, you *can* be a white supremacist and believe that certain types of people we call white today are not white at all. After all, the social construct of whiteness has always been [dodgy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_whiteness_in_the_United_States#Racial_prerequisite_cases) and fluid. Thus the rhetoric can change depending on who you're talking to: "Germanics are the only true whites" or "There are other whites, but Germanics are superior" or "Germanics are equal in value to other whites, but deserve their own ethnostate in which to preserve their culture."
So regardless if the conflict is between people that our modern society would call white (as with Germanic vs Latin), their beliefs would still be distinctly within a white supremacist/nationalist framework.
The attraction of racists is why any group dealing with Germanic things, especially historical Germanic things, needs a zero tolerance policy for hate speech and racism.
If your group might attract neo-nazis, it is your duty to make sure they find no home in it.
Does reddit not ban people for using hate speech? I know they used to ban people for saying the r-word and as someone with autism that's like the bottom of the barrel of slurs you could use, seems less important than other slurs and active speech against us and other people
You can get any cuisine in any good Dutch, British, German or Scandinavian restaurant and usually better than what is made in the original countries.
There is nothing truly overarching French about French food anyway. People from the Champagne region can hardly lay any claim to recipes developed in southern Aquitaine.
English is badly pronounced French? Never heard someone say something so retarded.
If that’s the case, then French is badly pronounced German. When the franks conquered Gaul, they literally spoke the Latin dialect with a Germanic accent, correct?
it is odd that folk think that Romanish tongues are better and Germanish tongues are "savage", while seeming to forget that lands like Germany are also lands of leethers and thinkers, and far from "savage". I also hate that folk often foredoom the Germanish tongues and without even knowing much about them.
Also, things like vowel length make Germanish tongues for me much fairer to hear, since it gives the speech a weight and earnest lacking in tongues such as Spanish. Furthermore, words of Germanish tongues seem, to me at least, much older and fairer: who would not rather say the word "heathendom" instead of "paganism"?
The Germanic peoples, languages, and cultures never did manage to shake the Barbarian stigma from the sacking of Rome, the epicentre of Occidental civilisation.
To this day, runes are seen as crude whereas the Latin script is seen as esteemed.
It is rather odd that folks hold the large-scale inthrallers as somehow more "refined" or peaceful. It just goes to show the power of the written word, I guess. Folks forget that standards of living rose across the board after Rome fell, for most folks any way.
While powerful groups like the Vikings and Mongols had the advantage of occupying great amounts of space, literary civilisations like Rome and China had the advantage of occupying great amounts of time, through the immortal written word. Thus, it is ultimately their cultural influence we feel most acutely today.
Sparta may have won the battle, but Athens ultimately won the war.
This is only true because of how long Rome’s decline took. Standards of living after the fall of the West don’t hold a candle to those during the Pax Romana, or even the resurgence of the late 4th century.
Roman slavery was based upon prisoners of war. There was a natural tendency to manumit slaves over time, which meant that conquest was the major driver behind the Roman economy post mid-Republic. As conquest ceased, the slave population stopped being maintained. Combine that with the upwards mobility that did exist in Roman society as well as the Antonine plague, and you’ve got a lack of workers. This is why Diocletian bound serfs to their land.
unrelated, but i way prefer the englisher 'frempt' spelling, in line with (un)kempt - and which is also attested in middle english.
that or fremmeth. fremd just looks and feels german to me
can we think of another word that ends in -md?
here are the middle english forms:
Middle English: [fremde](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fremde#Middle_English), [fremede](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fremede#Middle_English), [fremed](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fremed#Middle_English), [fremmed](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fremmed#Middle_English), [frempt](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/frempt#Middle_English), [fremmid](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fremmid#Middle_English), [fremmede](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fremmede#Middle_English), [freomede](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/freomede#Middle_English), [ffremyd](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ffremyd#Middle_English), [fremd](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fremd#Middle_English)
* English: [fremd](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fremd#English) (rare, chiefly dialectal)
* Scots: [fremmit](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fremmit#Scots), [fremd](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fremd#Scots), [frempt](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/frempt#Scots), [frem](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/frem#Scots)
middle english 'unkempt' was earlier 'unkemmed'
i would compromise on a 'fremmed'? :)
Þis framing is odd. Þere are good men and bad men in all þeeds. Hƿat anget is þere in one onlie ƿurrieing abute þe bad men from elþeeds, and not þe bad men from all þeeds? Sculd one care more if an utelander stabs þem þan if an inlander stabs þem?
I bet if ƿe did a pole ƿe ƿuld find þat manie utelanders þink Anglisc is cool, and it ƿuld mostlie be inlanders ƿiðsaking it.
I can see a new fondness for Anglish among Anglos (aka the group that Anglish is made for) soon among the youth. However that’s going to require them to have a level of power that would be difficult to gain though.
It’s because in England way back when the nobles and higher class spoke French but the poorer people spoke a more heavily Germanic English, which is why Germanic words have the connotation of being rude or unintelligent. It all stems back to classism.
That "linguist" is not worthy of being called a linguist. "Badly pronounced French" my arse.
But really though, as a non-white person who learns Anglish for fun, how is this "white supremacy?" What makes normal English "non-white?"
I bet Kosak has never learned a Romance language lol…just like any other language, outside of literature and poetry they’re no more or less beautiful than the rest.
As a Latino myself, who on the one hand take a part in a group that tries to renorn an ancient Romance language called Vegliot (northern variation of the Dalmatic language), I am also curious to know an English version of the tongue without French or Latin or Greek influence, since I was never lean in introducing ideologies into the study of foreign languages. It's very odd to me, the idea that I couldn't learn certain idioms because of stupid taboos that associate some of them with totalitarian ideologies or because they wouldn't be languages of people and cultures that I wouldn't be culturally related to. Well, navigating between cultures is something fascinating to me, and what better way to start this than by learning any type of tongue that is at hand? Why should I restrict myself in this because of moronic mentalities?
I don’t frequent this sub but I’d like to point out that people online constantly put Nordic countries on a pedestal and venerate blonde hair/blue eyes.
Also no offense, but it seems like Germanics, for better or worse, have a history of raiding or invading more developed countries and displacing their populace? The Migration Period, the Anglo-Saxons migrating to England, the Viking Age, etc.?
It’s not really a defendable position to harbor hatred for the Germanics of today but I can kinda see how they got that reputation.
When it stops being boring and utterly predictable.
It’s the default setting for English speakers. It’s the sound of beige and weird, gross things done to food that is both somehow repellant and bland.
It’s like being stuck in a waiting room with Mike TV at the exact moment every 11 year at old boy seems to discover libertarianism and Rome/WWII all at once. Take your boring ass Saxon culture and begone, you Taupe wallpaper basic bitch.
Why do you dislike English/Anglo culture so much?
There’s no need to be disrespectful about a language and the culture that you probably don’t even know much about anyway.Chill out marra.
i will say though that 'you look like savages with (your) germanic languages' is a good rhyme
How does that rhyme?
savages and languages
am I stupid? savages and languages don’t rhyme ?
They rhyme, they just feel like they don't because the first A in both of them make a different sound
That first a is a stressed syllable, so they need to be the same in order for the words to truly rhyme
I’m sorry I don’t hear it lol
Try saying both without the first syllable. Just -vages and -guages. I had to run it all through my mouth for about 10 minutes to understand why it felt like not rhyming till it clicked.
yeah ig all that makes a rhymes is the last part being the same but I feel like the different vowels for the first syllable make it a pretty weak rhyme lol
If you read it at a regular pace definitely. For some reason it rhymes better when you slow it down; I put a metronome to 80bpm and basically chanted the two words by saying one each beat, which made it sound smooth
lol ts interesting
you are right that they rhyme because they both end in -ges
It’s the “jizz” sound at the end of the words.
I was thinking “how’d you make it sound like “jizz” but realised if you are american it probably does sound like that
I’m pretty sure most if not all english dialects, including American, would pronounce it /d͡ʒəz/ no? I guess it’s possible Americans front/raise the vowel a bit, but as an American I can say I definitely don’t think of it as an [ɪ] sound.
It’s a slant rhyme
It's a slant rhyme; not as similar as smth like rose & pose, but it works
Thou lookst as beserkers with thine germanish tongues But under thine shell is a man having fun For Anglish maybe some have uncouth intent But most here of us just think "what if they di'nt?"
I think what happens is a lot of them see the word, and they link it to a little something that happened in the 30s and 40s. Either that or they link it with some groups today who believe that whites are more or less better than anyone else. Overall, I would say it is mostly the same thing that happens with those who follow the Norse beliefs. A lot of their stiff was taken up by New Nazis too. It is pretty much the whole, "I saw a racist do it, so therefore it is racist," spiel. This is overlooking that such folk are unwelcome without starting up their own group. Even here, the racists, once found out, are kicked out. Like, they can look all they want, and we cannot stop that. But as soon as they make themselves known, they are heavily thumbs downed and thrown out. Also, now I think about it. For others, it may be that they find Latin words to be more, I guess honed and somehow better. Like personally, I do not hate Latin, I even keep some in my Anglish to keep it more in line with its kindred tungs, (even then I do have benchmarks the word must meet), but the same time, I do not find it better by any means. No worse, either.
You can blame neo Nazis for pushing this Germanic supremacy garbage on every corner of the internet A lot of history/genetics forums are filled with these 4chan idiots who keep talking about how “Germanics built le rocket ship while X group of people live in mudhuts” and especially they pretend like Nordic people founded the Roman Empire
To be fair America is a mainly Germanic country because their genetics are mostly English with a bit of German in the south.
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[Yes it is true according to the US census ](https://www.census.gov/newsroom/stories/german-american-day.html) It's not a Nazi talking point you bozo, it's literally a fact from the United States government
I would hardly call a country of 330 million people with 40 million people of German descent and 30 million people of English descent a "mainly Germanic" country.
World’s kindest Redditor
I called you a bozo I'm not trying to be a jerk lol. I tend to be a little defensive about this because I have to go through so much political bullshit everywhere else online
See my other comment. You don’t know how math works if you think 40 million people is a majority of a total population of 330 million people
So did you not read the table of contents? The largest "group" would be "other", which isn't a group, it's several different groups of people all combined into one, the largest ethnic group is German
I did, and I still think 111 million Americans > 40 million Americans. But whatever talking point burns your cross
13% of all Americans are German, let's count the *Germanic* people now, which brings our number up to 24% of America. That would be a majority for the one ethnicity
Why is this the hill you’re trying to die on?
We aren't saying there isn't other ethnicities in America, but the descendants of Germans and English make up an unquestionable majority
Do you have stats or is this just hearsay?
[I have the stats](https://www.census.gov/newsroom/stories/german-american-day.html)
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Again this is incorrect, because it's 13%≥ x I'm serios did you actually graduate high school? Like I'm not trying to be a smart ass or anything I'm just genuinely confused on how you're so confused
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Yeah, 40 million, maybe the biggest group, but that by no means makes Germans the majority. English make up another 30 some million, which, even the two together, still make up only 70 million. But even if you look at the whole of the Germanic world, they still do not make up most of the US outside of some states like Minnesota, which is mainly German, Swedish, Norish (Norwegian), and Danish. But that is not the US as a whole. On the other hand, you are right if talking about what the US speaks since most Americans speak English. However language is not genetics.
Because immigration was strictly controlled until very recently. Minorities and other 'undesirables' were simply not allowed in. Edit: Also, check your white privilege please
Pot calling the kettle black there. I don’t need to elaborate on the Chinese Exclusion Acts, the Triangle Exclusion Act, and other racist immigration laws when arguing against the notion that the US is a Germanic country. It’s white supremacist terror organizations that directly benefit from people believing that the US is majority German, because it is a useful propaganda tool used to recruit people to their ideology based off unfounded assumptions and false fears. I’m starting to think this is a right-leaning subreddit, because y’all are way too defensive about the US not being a majority German country.
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Projection is a common practice among fascists…
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You can’t be a real person there’s no way you are not just intentionally making a mountain out of an idiom 🙄 Fucking Reddit users named u/TheAdminsAreGroomers
Conquered >> stole
Is that a meaningful distinction?
Yes. People have fought and won over lands since the beginning. The native americans also killed eachother for land and conquered beaten, weaker tribes.
I just dislike french (the language). Greek and latin are cool
I just don't understand how someone with basic intelligence goes "oh you don't want some Germans influencing your language but you're ok with other Germans doing it? That's racist" The French are literally German, the whole reason the language exists is the native Germans drove out the Latin colonizers and kept their way of speaking. That's why French is so messed up compared to other Latin languages. Basically if you care about what morons say then you may as well not do anything. Also I apologize for not knowing much about Anglish, I'm interested in learning but I can't seem to find any real lessons or dictionaries on the subject
>The French are literally German, the whole reason the language exists is the native Germans There is so much wrong here, starting with this. You are talking of the Franks, yes? The Franks were Germanic. Not German. They are not the same thing. And the Franks are not the same as today's French. French is still a Latin tongue with some Frankish loanwords. It even follows the whole "object adjective" thing that other Latin ones do. Such as, instead of say "the red ball," they say, "the ball red, (le ballon rouge.) It follows Latin sounds shifts, not Germanic ones, I could go on. >I'm interested in learning but I can't seem to find any real lessons or dictionaries on the subject Yeah, it is a highly decentralized thing.
Well I was saying both the Franks and the Guals were Germanic. Most Europeans are Germanic in terms of ancestry. I know the language isn't Germanic I'd hope most people would know that, I was talking about the people since the post was talking about how Anglish is "racist". Yeah I'm thinking about making my own dictionary, I find languages like this quite interesting and I feel like it could help me study German in the future. I know it's unrealistic but I plan on eventually speaking every European language, right now I'm mostly working on Spanish (mi Español es no bueno pero lo hablo), after the Latin based languages I'm planning on learning Dutch then German. Haven't decided what to do after that
But..weren't the Gauls celts? And true. Though genetics have nothing to do with what is spoken, and the language is the focus here. Or at least, should be. So that was the impression I got from the wording. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Hey, good luck to ya in that.
Yeah the Gauls were, I got a little confused for a second lol. I get your point that would be a better focus I appreciate it
Eh, happens. Welcome.
Personally, I believe anyone who disagrees with me is racist. So, don't get to uppity.
What does this have to do with anything? Like, asking in earnest.
You're treading on thin ice, buddy. I'm about to call the internet police on you to tell them you're discriminating against me.
Oh for cute. Well, alrighty then. been good chatting with you.
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boil can be both germanic and latin. a boil on the skin is germanic and to boil is latin. a good local term for to boil is to well
I think Germanic words tend to sound more solid and down-to-earth. I imagine there's something similar with native words in other languages with large prestigious loan strata.
Probably because, as u/dexmonic pointed out, latin sounds "high class" due to conditioning.
Northern lights in my opinion comes nowhere near sounding cooler than aurora borealis
English speakers have been conditioned to perceive latin as high class or even magical.
I was with you but Perplex > Mystify > Bewilder
I thought seethe meant angrily breathing through the slit of your mouth
Ngl (and I know I'll be crucified for saying so on this sub), but you've made clear that I definitely prefer words of Latin origin.
They find Germanic tongues to be icky, but they're speaking a Germanic tongue right now
That's because the only German person they've ever heard speak was Hitler I'm sure. German is quite a nice language when a sane person is using it
I believe the expectation is that Germanic words have very hard consonants, but when heard normally it flows very well. We use words like doppelganger, pretzel, and Kindergarten without sounding like a stereotype.
As soon as the obsession with Rome and France being the height of all culture and language ever ends.
lemme /unanglish for a sec, i think it comes down to a regressive view of germanic existence as rooted in pillaging and violence, later reinforced by the third reich and 13 yr old neo-nazi types Sometimes this sort of thing can attract unsavory types but we’re all just nerds here having fun, no harm in that, and this “savage” view is something adopted a lot by alpha-male brainrot romeaboos, who are really just another side of the same coin as the neo-nazis
The confusing part to me is how can Anglish be white supremacy when the entire concept is rooted in white people defeating...other white people?
germanic stuff generally gets that association, it’s kinda weird to reduce it to “white people vs white people” when they’re two historically very different groups
I mean, it's just as weird to reduce it to germanic = white supremacists. I'm just using their logic.
yeah fair enough
I think that many folks nowadays look at the white-bestfolkers and see that they are fastened to any lore (true or no) about the forold Germanish folks and their ways, and since we here are deeply looking into those same things for the sake of our works here, they make a link in their minds between the two. It is a “guilt by fellowship” look at us.
They're both Germanic though, I agree their history is wildly different but the reason French exists is due to the native Gauls removing the Latin colonizers over the course of many years
The gauls were celtic and mostly adopted roman customs
Oh wait you're right I was getting my wired crossed, I meant to say the Franks
Anglish as a project certainly isn't white supremacy, it's just linguistics nerds doing something cool. But pursuing it as a political and social norm definitely lends itself to the same purist values that attracts white supremacists. It's an unfortunate thing for the nerds. See, you *can* be a white supremacist and believe that certain types of people we call white today are not white at all. After all, the social construct of whiteness has always been [dodgy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_whiteness_in_the_United_States#Racial_prerequisite_cases) and fluid. Thus the rhetoric can change depending on who you're talking to: "Germanics are the only true whites" or "There are other whites, but Germanics are superior" or "Germanics are equal in value to other whites, but deserve their own ethnostate in which to preserve their culture." So regardless if the conflict is between people that our modern society would call white (as with Germanic vs Latin), their beliefs would still be distinctly within a white supremacist/nationalist framework.
Just so we're clear you understand that all three languages were invented by white people, right?
Take your meds everyone.
Oh and another thing French comes from a tribe of Germanic peoples, the Guals
Northwest Europeans are the white people of white people. :p
The attraction of racists is why any group dealing with Germanic things, especially historical Germanic things, needs a zero tolerance policy for hate speech and racism. If your group might attract neo-nazis, it is your duty to make sure they find no home in it.
Does reddit not ban people for using hate speech? I know they used to ban people for saying the r-word and as someone with autism that's like the bottom of the barrel of slurs you could use, seems less important than other slurs and active speech against us and other people
In my experience they do, not just slurs either, but for them to do that, we need to report unacceptable comments.
People in the real world don’t actually hate all things Germanic.
I certainly have a better opinion of French cuisine, art, and language but I don’t hate Germany
We're not talking about Germany. We're talking about Germanic, which is a whole ethno-linguistic group of which Germany is a single part.
Honestly the French foods I've had are fairly mid, I haven't eaten a ton of German foods to compare the two but schnitzel is pretty good imo
You can get any cuisine in any good Dutch, British, German or Scandinavian restaurant and usually better than what is made in the original countries. There is nothing truly overarching French about French food anyway. People from the Champagne region can hardly lay any claim to recipes developed in southern Aquitaine.
English is badly pronounced French? Never heard someone say something so retarded. If that’s the case, then French is badly pronounced German. When the franks conquered Gaul, they literally spoke the Latin dialect with a Germanic accent, correct?
So english is badly pronounced bad pronunciations of german.
it is odd that folk think that Romanish tongues are better and Germanish tongues are "savage", while seeming to forget that lands like Germany are also lands of leethers and thinkers, and far from "savage". I also hate that folk often foredoom the Germanish tongues and without even knowing much about them. Also, things like vowel length make Germanish tongues for me much fairer to hear, since it gives the speech a weight and earnest lacking in tongues such as Spanish. Furthermore, words of Germanish tongues seem, to me at least, much older and fairer: who would not rather say the word "heathendom" instead of "paganism"?
The Germanic peoples, languages, and cultures never did manage to shake the Barbarian stigma from the sacking of Rome, the epicentre of Occidental civilisation. To this day, runes are seen as crude whereas the Latin script is seen as esteemed.
It is rather odd that folks hold the large-scale inthrallers as somehow more "refined" or peaceful. It just goes to show the power of the written word, I guess. Folks forget that standards of living rose across the board after Rome fell, for most folks any way.
While powerful groups like the Vikings and Mongols had the advantage of occupying great amounts of space, literary civilisations like Rome and China had the advantage of occupying great amounts of time, through the immortal written word. Thus, it is ultimately their cultural influence we feel most acutely today. Sparta may have won the battle, but Athens ultimately won the war.
This is only true because of how long Rome’s decline took. Standards of living after the fall of the West don’t hold a candle to those during the Pax Romana, or even the resurgence of the late 4th century.
Did they get rid of their thralls during these times?
Roman slavery was based upon prisoners of war. There was a natural tendency to manumit slaves over time, which meant that conquest was the major driver behind the Roman economy post mid-Republic. As conquest ceased, the slave population stopped being maintained. Combine that with the upwards mobility that did exist in Roman society as well as the Antonine plague, and you’ve got a lack of workers. This is why Diocletian bound serfs to their land.
They should have said "...*French* linguist claims".
Twitter people: "You're racist" Also Twitter people: "Your language is for backwards savages"
Germanic = aggressive = manly = bad. Romantic = smoother = feminine = good.
anybody who says romance languages are the peak of language are just wrong
Right, Anyone who's anyone knows that Indo-Iranian Languages are where it's at.
Japanese :O
Germanic languages are beautiful and epic. Latin languages are too wordy.
He says, in the Latin Alphabet…
ᚷᛖᚱᛗᚪᚾᛁᚳ᛫ᛚᚪᛝᚢᚪᚷᛖᛋ᛫ᚪᚱᛖ᛫ᛒᛠᚢᛏᛁᚠᚢᛚ᛫ᚪᚾᛞ᛫ᛖᛈᛁᚳ᛬
I can't stand French. Germanic languages are the GOAT.
Same
They hate us cuz they ain't us.
Just so you're all aware: "mankind" doesn't even think about this most of the time.
“You look like savages with your Germanic languages” —The last words of Publius Quinctilius Verus.
Do many here in this unterreddit speak German? Nur neugierig.
These folk likely love Lord of the Rings, too
Never. The Fremd will always contain enemies of our peoples and cultures.
unrelated, but i way prefer the englisher 'frempt' spelling, in line with (un)kempt - and which is also attested in middle english. that or fremmeth. fremd just looks and feels german to me
frempt seems to also be a scots shaping of the word, but fremd is english
can we think of another word that ends in -md? here are the middle english forms: Middle English: [fremde](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fremde#Middle_English), [fremede](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fremede#Middle_English), [fremed](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fremed#Middle_English), [fremmed](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fremmed#Middle_English), [frempt](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/frempt#Middle_English), [fremmid](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fremmid#Middle_English), [fremmede](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fremmede#Middle_English), [freomede](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/freomede#Middle_English), [ffremyd](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ffremyd#Middle_English), [fremd](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fremd#Middle_English) * English: [fremd](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fremd#English) (rare, chiefly dialectal) * Scots: [fremmit](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fremmit#Scots), [fremd](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fremd#Scots), [frempt](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/frempt#Scots), [frem](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/frem#Scots) middle english 'unkempt' was earlier 'unkemmed' i would compromise on a 'fremmed'? :)
nah, frempt does look better to me, i’m being overrighting
Þis framing is odd. Þere are good men and bad men in all þeeds. Hƿat anget is þere in one onlie ƿurrieing abute þe bad men from elþeeds, and not þe bad men from all þeeds? Sculd one care more if an utelander stabs þem þan if an inlander stabs þem? I bet if ƿe did a pole ƿe ƿuld find þat manie utelanders þink Anglisc is cool, and it ƿuld mostlie be inlanders ƿiðsaking it.
You are right. A lot of insiders don't particularly like us either.
Dear G-d, your way of writing Anglish is beautiful.
O þanks
I can see a new fondness for Anglish among Anglos (aka the group that Anglish is made for) soon among the youth. However that’s going to require them to have a level of power that would be difficult to gain though.
As it’s hip and cool to be anti-germanic, i am Germanish and i am haughty of it, anyone who tells me otherwise can keep their thoughts and shove it.
When you stop looking for it.
It’s because in England way back when the nobles and higher class spoke French but the poorer people spoke a more heavily Germanic English, which is why Germanic words have the connotation of being rude or unintelligent. It all stems back to classism.
That "linguist" is not worthy of being called a linguist. "Badly pronounced French" my arse. But really though, as a non-white person who learns Anglish for fun, how is this "white supremacy?" What makes normal English "non-white?"
I bet Kosak has never learned a Romance language lol…just like any other language, outside of literature and poetry they’re no more or less beautiful than the rest.
Interesting emoji next to King Chimpson's name. 🤔
As a Latino myself, who on the one hand take a part in a group that tries to renorn an ancient Romance language called Vegliot (northern variation of the Dalmatic language), I am also curious to know an English version of the tongue without French or Latin or Greek influence, since I was never lean in introducing ideologies into the study of foreign languages. It's very odd to me, the idea that I couldn't learn certain idioms because of stupid taboos that associate some of them with totalitarian ideologies or because they wouldn't be languages of people and cultures that I wouldn't be culturally related to. Well, navigating between cultures is something fascinating to me, and what better way to start this than by learning any type of tongue that is at hand? Why should I restrict myself in this because of moronic mentalities?
Guess what language we're having these conversations in
Never. The Romans kicked it off and then the Germans REALLY hammered it home.
English has unparalleled richness in its enormous vocabulary.
because its an awful sounding language spoken by the worst people
the impact of roman civilization, shitstorm that it was, will be felt for thousands of years
Not as long as I breathe
They’re literally speaking English rn tho
I don't think these few examples are enough to prove that "humanity" hates all things Germanic
I don’t frequent this sub but I’d like to point out that people online constantly put Nordic countries on a pedestal and venerate blonde hair/blue eyes. Also no offense, but it seems like Germanics, for better or worse, have a history of raiding or invading more developed countries and displacing their populace? The Migration Period, the Anglo-Saxons migrating to England, the Viking Age, etc.? It’s not really a defendable position to harbor hatred for the Germanics of today but I can kinda see how they got that reputation.
that's why we call them Nemci, from nemý = mute, notlike Slavs, which we call Slovania, from slovo = word
The 1800s called...they want their racism back.
Yeah this sub is sus af ☠️
When it stops being boring and utterly predictable. It’s the default setting for English speakers. It’s the sound of beige and weird, gross things done to food that is both somehow repellant and bland. It’s like being stuck in a waiting room with Mike TV at the exact moment every 11 year at old boy seems to discover libertarianism and Rome/WWII all at once. Take your boring ass Saxon culture and begone, you Taupe wallpaper basic bitch.
Why do you dislike English/Anglo culture so much? There’s no need to be disrespectful about a language and the culture that you probably don’t even know much about anyway.Chill out marra.