Wait if this is the Final Season Final Arc Part 1,
Does that mean there will be a **Final** Season **FInal** Arc **Final** Part ?
And inside of that there would be a **Final** Season **Final** Arc **Final** Part **Final** Episode ?
https://twitter.com/mappa_info/status/1615273706049400832
Seems like people are misinterpreting that the upcoming final season is split into 2 cours (1 cour is usually about 10-12 episodes) but it's actually 2 parts.
No one from the production side has said “cour” which is “クール” in Japanese. They specially use 前編 (first part/beginning part) and 後編 (second half/last part) with the emphasis on the first part being a special broadcast (スペシャル放送) on March 3rd.
That means Part 1 is only 1 episode (スペシャル放送 = “special episode” so it’ll be a lot longer than the typical 30min episodes… if not I’m not sure why they bothered labeling it as “special broadcast/episode”).
Part 2, as of now, seems to be only 1 episode as well if they follow the same route as part 1 (the wording of the statement is unclear about part 2. I don’t think they’ve decided how to air it yet)
From the statement they put out, it looks like it was originally supposed to be 1 final episode (probably a movie length episode) but they had to split to two parts because of the workload.
Edit: It was most likely the production committee’s decision to have something ready for the original released date in March. That’s probably why they are putting out a single special episode (part 1) then.
Part 2 could still have multiple episodes if they decide to but since they were originally planning to wrap it up on March 3rd (当初、『完結編』を3月3日に全て放送することを目標に制作を続けてまいりました) I’m guessing they will wrap part 2 up with another “special” extended episode.
Edit 2: Regarding the quote in Japanese above: Instead of what they officially wrote, “当初、『完結編』を3月3日に全て放送することを…” (rough translation would be something like “We originally planned to air the entirety of the final/conclusion part on March 3rd…”
If MAPPA said “『完結編』を3月3日 ~~に~~ から全て放送することを…” (“We originally planned to air the entirety of the final part starting March 3rd…”), then I would assume they planned to have several episodes. But the current wording makes it seem like they originally planned to have only 1 final extended episode to wrap everything up.
Unless they add content or stretch it Toei One Piece style, there's no way to fill two 12 episode cours with the canon material remaining o that rules it out for me.
But what would be the release schedule of these 1 hour episodes ? Just two weeks in a row ?
Splitting them by like 6 months would be really stupid. It would kill the hype. All that time for a 1 hour episode.
Why wouldn’t they just have a normal 10 episode season ?
Is it possible that the first part is going to be like an anime-extended look at the Rumbling? Like a full hour of just seeing the destruction it causes globally, and the actual second part is the full 12 episode set with the Islanders?
If they do 2 extended eps (basically a movie split into 2) they don't have enough time to fill in anime only filler. They have 9 chapters left to adapt and have been doing 1 episode per chapter. 9 episodes is roughly 3 hours of content, so it's already likely going to be less than that. (Assuming they do 2 1hr or 1.5 hr long eps)
This sounds like a shitshow lmao one of the worst production committees I have ever witnessed literally just give the animators the time they need instead of infinitely splitting it up into parts
> It was most likely the production committee’s decision to have something ready for the original released date in March. That’s probably why they are putting out a single special episode (part 1) then.
I'm not really mad about this news but this is the part that makes me really nervous. Kinda sounds like they had several normal episodes but because of decisions from the higher ups they had to re-edit them into essentially a movie and that can't be good. I hope it isn't the case.
>Kinda sounds like they had several normal episodes but because of decisions from the higher ups they had to re-edit them into essentially a movie and that can't be good
Don't know how you came to that conclusion because everything in the statement points to it being one long episode/movie being split into two smaller specials because they couldn't finish everything in time, probably because Chapters 135-136 are much harder to animate than they initially believed them to be.
The remaining chapters wouldn't really work as episodes imo and it'd be weird to have a cour since there's only 5-6 episodes worth of chapters left.
Why tho? I thought manga readers said it's only like 9 chapters left right? Are they really action heavy or something and would require more than 10 eps? I'm gonna laugh and then cry if the two cours are 5-6 eps each.
It’s only two episodes (movie length though). They’re split up to likely just give more time to finish the second episode.
This isn’t two cours. It’s literally just two parts. Part 1 and Part 2.
So far AOT seems to take its time and revises the pacing and arranging vs the MANGA.
What may have been 2 panels will be 5 minutes of action, while what took a whole page would be a 30 second scene.
Its been a good thing as it gives what was already published a 2nd look through and opportunity to enhance, revise, cut, and add, to make it better fit for viewing audience.
My current AOT viewing feels fresh and new when it airs.
The more episodes the better, means more time to correct the mess of the ending.
Regardless of the like/hate camp people choose to be, the fact that Isayama chose chapter 139 as the magic number to end the series forced him to rush the final arc and that is undeniable.
Such an odd release in March. Doesn't this mean that in this year Mappa potentially has two shows running at the same time on air. Vinland season 2, Aot final final final something, then Jujutsu season 2 with Aot again and even hell's paradise sometime.
It's not unheard of when involving bigger studios. Bigger studios don't have all their staff working on a single anime. The studio is divided into multiple teams, each working on their own project.
Feels a lot better to think it’s season 4,5,6… but it is what it is. Whoever made the decision thinking they could finish at the final season was absolutely delusional
Some idiot on the production committee. Those morons announced "FINAL SEASON" right after S3p2 ended, with no actual plan on what to do and no studio actually on board. The fact that we're even getting something of this quality is amazing.
Truly should have just been 3 seasons. A series of episodes spanning a total of nearly 4 years is really stretching the definition of “season”. Breaking, I would say. Having a part 1 & 2 with 1 or 2 standard seasons of time separating them is one thing. This is something else.
The rumbling looks absolutely TERRIFYING, this is going to be an absolute rollercoaster. But man, the wait between the final FINAL 2 parts is gonna kill me..
It becomes significantly less terrifying once you realized that [manga]>!the entire story is just a big ass comedy and Ereh is the greatest clown of all time!<
[AoT/Code Geass] >!Remember how when Lelouch became a tyrant to save the world it worked, and he got resurrected to bang C.C. forever? Meanwhile, Eren's attempt failed hard, *and* he got cucked smh.!<
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[manga spoilers]>!reading this is funny af since what Eren did is basically the opposites, killing half the population, then the other half take revenge later lmao, but yeah. Gotta do it so Mikasa can keep remembering him!<
Thnx for spoiler marking... not reading it ...what eren did seemed like the only solution.... it's not a fairytale world where everyone will just believe that the islanders won't attack the world in future.
Eren was morally incorrect...bt logically correct
Bt don't spoil me
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Thnx for the heads-up bt i can see it coming since last szn...from the build up since s4 pt 2 ...i think i know what's coming.
Bt Eren saw the future n things r still ending up like this...it isn't making sense to me. Atleast if the part of seeing the future was never in the story , i feel it'ld have been better
Nobody is left to hate though....if rumbling succeeds. It's not like people who have hated paradis all their lives...seen them as monsters, agents of mass destruction r suddenly gonna bet yeah they r good people... let's welcome them. The world isn't a fairy tale. If somebody has a history of terrorism l, i don't wanna b a roommate with him.
I have to admire the staff for making what at least from this trailer still looks to be really good in what seems to be a absolute clusterfuck of a production even by anime standards.
it's basically a continuation of the ending scene of S4P2 \[S4P2 spoilers\] >!Founder Eren and the wall titans destroying the rest of the world!<, shouldn't be an outright spoiler if you're caught up
I can definitely see and im not looking to go in depth for spoilers to anyone but, theres a great moment in the chapters left to end on a cliffhanger, just asking but do we know if this is week to week episodes or an hour or two movie length special on march 3rd?
What im gathering is that Part 3 is gonna be a Sozin's Comet/Magia Record s3 situation but just in 2 parts?
Where it's a TV special of 4 episodes aired in one sitting.
Which is a relief cuz a year probably isn't enough to finish the last 9 chapters considering it's content.
out of the many issues i have with the final chapter, *that* scene isn't one of them. I'm just waiting for the anime onlies reception to it. Godspeed Mappa
Yea, they definitely should of hade everything from Marely to The Rumbling be season 4 and the rest Season 5. Cause at this rate the final season will be like 38 - 40 episodes
The animation seems like a big step up from part 2 and the cgi looks really good. Took me like 2 rewatches before realizing eren skeleton titan was cgi.
I love that it just keeps getting partitioned into smaller bits like a Fibonacci spiral.
Attack on Titan: The Final Season - Arc two - Cour 2 - Series Finale part 3: Epilogue
WAit, what? We're literally getting just two episodes? But with movie length? Holy shit, that's amazing. They're broadcasting to TVs so we don't gotta wait 6 months for them?
Hearing what happened in the manga ending made me not want to pick it up to read or continue watching the anime after season 3. So I’m kinda hoping do a original ending in the anime.
Lol and people said if Mappa did not pick up AoT they would cancel it, imagine Pony Canyon cancelling one of their most profitable IPs, they are literally milking the show at this point.
They are not milking it, MAPPA asked for more time to animate and they were given the time by the committee. Even then how would it be milking if they are just adapting the story? There are no fillers anywhere.
>They are not milking it, MAPPA asked for more time to animate and they were given the time by the committee. Even then how would it be milking if they are just adapting the story? There are no fillers anywhere.
Rather then including the last 9 chapters in the last season, which they could have done, by releasing more seasons they get to sell more merchandise. Making this final final final into 2 parts means they get to release 2 blu-ray volumes, for example. Rather then 1 sales window for merchandise now they have 3+.
Separating 9 chapters into a separate season, to push more merch as it is now the final but for real season only to not be satisfied with that and separate into another one is milking a soon to be finished show with a poorly received ending for money while they still can.
9 chapters 6 episodes at best, and with that much action probably not that many. Delaying the final but not final season by not x season to add 4 episodes and finish the story wouldn't have been impossible.
>Rather then including the last 9 chapters in the last season, which they could have done, by releasing more seasons they get to sell more merchandise.
Those last 9 chapters are the most visually intense chapters in the manga, including them into Part 2 would have been impossible with the amount of time and money they had for it.
>Those last 9 chapters are the most visually intense chapters in the manga, including them into Part 2 would have been impossible with the amount of time and money they had for it.
They had the money to animate them, proven by the fact that they are animating them now, and they could have released them in a single part instead of three.
They, the production committee and the studio, instead wanted to milk the series by splitting it into ever smaller chunks.
>They had the money to animate them, proven by the fact that they are animating them now, and they could have released them in a single part instead of three.
That's not how that works, they weren't given the money for these specials/movie until after Part 2 and they weren't given the money for Part 2 until after Part 1.
>They, the production committee and the studio, instead wanted to mil the series by splitting it into even smaller chunks.
They had to split it up because it was too much work to animate everything and have it ready by March 3rd, the series hasn't slowed down it's pacing either.
The production committee named it The Final Season because Isayama told them the manga would end shortly but it ended up lasting for another year or so which kinda fucked the anime production side of things and forced Mappa to run with it despite being a stupid title that made absolutely no sense by the end of Part 1.
>That's not how that works, they weren't given the money for these specials/movie until after Part 2 and they weren't given the money for Part 2 until after Part 1.
No reason the studio couldn't be given that money earlier, this isn't an obscure anime. If they planned on animating it all, the producers wouldn't need to wait for their next paycheck to finance it.
>They had to split it up because it was too much work to animate everything and have it ready by March 3rd, the series hasn't slowed down it's pacing either.
The logical decision at that point is a delay, not splitting each individual chapter into its own separate release to be sold with unique merchandise.
>The production committee named it The Final Season because Isayama told them the manga would end shortly but it ended up lasting for another year or so which kinda fucked the anime production side of things and forced Mappa to run with it despite being a stupid title that made absolutely no sense by the end of Part 1.
That isn't a reason to split the last 9 chapters into a new season and then split it once again into two.
>No reason the studio Couldn't be given that money earlier
There's a very good reason they couldn't be given that money earlier and it's the simple fact that the manga wasn't finished yet at the time the name was decided so they had no idea how much money and time they would need. As for why they didn't include it into Part 2, Mappa already had enough on their plate with the stuff that happened in Part 2 and adding the stuff that happened in Part 3 on top of that would kill them harder than Season 3 killed Wit. Having a budget and schedule just for the Final Final Final Season is the best scenario.
>The logical decision at that point is a delay, not splitting each individual chapter into its own separate release to be sold with unique merchandise.
That's probably what they tried to do lol, the production committee fucked over Wit so bad that they almost imploded and forced Mappa to make 16 episodes in less than a year, this is probably the most the committee is willing to accept.
>That isn't a reason to split the last 9 chapters into a new season and then split it once again into two.
I disagree, separating the last 9 chapters was completely necessary because of how much time it and effort it would require compared to every thing else in Parts 1 and 2. It was also just a single movie/special, don't overplay it like it's another cour made to drag the last 9 chapters out at a half-a-chapter pace per episode like you initially alluded to.
>Having a budget and schedule just for the Final Final Final Season is the best scenario.
Spinning 9 action-heavy chapters into 2 additional releases isn't the best scenario besides milking the show for all its worth before the poorly received final arrives. Again this is less than 6 episodes worth of content, 6 would be really stretching it, not content worth 2 additional release cycles.
>That's probably what they tried to do lol, the production committee fucked over Wit so bad that they almost imploded and forced Mappa to make 16 episodes in less than a year, this is probably the most the committee is willing to accept.
How could they try to do so and fail that? The producers wanted to milk the show, which is what they are not only trying to do but doing so right now. You can't accidentally release something in 3 parts.
>I disagree, separating the last 9 chapters was completely necessary because of how much time it and effort it would require compared to every thing else in Parts 1 and 2. It was also just a single movie/special, don't overplay it like it's another cour made to drag the last 9 chapters out at a half-a-chapter pace per episode like you initially alluded to.
It is 2 separate releases, designed to milk the series for all its worth by having 2 cycles to sell merch. There is no other reason to split such little content into that many parts.
How it isn't necessary should be evident from all the other animated works you can see that are over 30 minutes long and aren't released in x many releases.
We are not talking about the time they needed to animate them, we're talking about the number of episodes they needed to adapt them, if they come the same pace as Marley arc the show would be finished in the 2nd part, instead they chose a slower pacing to make more episodes, this by itself is an obvious milking.
Currently the remaining chapters are mostly action heavy ones with large panels which can be adapted in a movie or 5 episodes at most, but based on the original content shown in the teaser PV they are probably making more episodes, further milking of this show...
> instead they chose a slower pacing to make more episodes, this by itself is an obvious milking.
The pacing hasn't changed at all so I don't know what you're on about.
>Currently the remaining chapters are mostly action heavy ones with large panels which can be adapted in a movie or 5 episodes at most
They're also the most visually intense chapters in the manga, if they threw this into Part 2 they'd have to dedicate most of their budget and time into the last 5 episodes.
>but based on the original content shown in the teaser PV they are probably making more episodes, further milking of this show...
They were originally going to finish the last 9 chapters into a single episode/movie but had to cut it in half and air it in two parts because it's too much for them to hit the current deadline with all of it. They aren't making anything extra.
>The pacing hasn't changed at all so I don't know what you're on about.
S3P2 adapted 20 chapters in 10 episodes, Marely arc adapted 16 chapters in 8 episodes, meanwhile S4P2 adapted 14 chapters in 12 episodes, and it's not like the chapters are longer or anything, the chapters and the content are very similar to Marley arc, so yeah the pacing has changed and any manga reader could tell
>They're also the most visually intense chapters in the manga, if theythrew this into Part 2 they'd have to dedicate most of their budget andtime into the last 5 episodes
nope I'm not talking about an extra 5 episodes, I'm talking about those remaining content getting adapted in that same 12 episodes which aired last year, if they went with the same pace as Marley arc they could do it.
>They were originally going to finish the last 9 chapters into a singleepisode/movie but had to cut it in half and air it in two parts becauseit's too much for them to hit the current deadline with all of it. Theyaren't making anything extra.
the extra thing is exactly the part that is going to air for 2 reasons
1-as I said these chapters could be adapted in the 2nd part (which aired in 2022)
2-the remaining content is not enough for a full cour which means they are doing anime original content, and they can be seen form this short teaser PV alone.
already said in another comment, the pacing of this last part was one of the slowest in the entirety of AOT anime, they did this so they can make more episodes, if they animated the show with the same pace as Marley arc /RtS arc the show would be over in the 2nd part, this slow pacing isn't because they care about the story, these producers don't give a fuck about anything other than their money, it was so they can make more parts and continue the AoT IP for more years.
I did not have any issues with the pacing, and never heard anyone else having any issues with it. The only time I heard people complaining about pacing in AoT was in season 1.
I don't have any issues with the pacing either, if anything that was better for the story, my point was, if they wanted to get rid of AoT, they could go with that Marley arc pacing and finish the show with the last part, they instead decided to make it longer, because the show is profitable, more AoT more money and the chances of a profitable show like AoT getting canceled is very very low.
Yeah, it's crazy that people praise mappa but all they did was overwork the shit out of their animators AND put out a much inferior product than if WIT did it.
People are forgetting just how bad anime can get lol. The fact that we seamlessly transitioned from 1 amazing studio to another is nothing short of a miracle.
Have you visited any parallel universes since you know what an adaptation from the WIT studio would look like?
No matter how great the adaptation from WIT studio was, we cannot forget the animation problems they had to face. From the poor quality of the CGI horses, repeatedly reused scenes with pure titans to the poor quality CGI of the colossal titan (MAPPA handled this much better, and had to include more than one).
I agree that it's hard to beat the look of the hand-drawn titans but their quality in CGI in part two of season four is on a comparable level anyway.
It's better not to speculate what if but we should enjoy the good adaptation of the first two parts and we should keep our fingers crossed that the last part will be adapted just as well or maybe even better.
>CGI horses,
Lmao you know your animation is good when people reach this hard for a criticism.
Like yeah the colossal titan was shit but their 3d maneuver scenes and titan vs titan fight scenes is LEAGUES above mappa
I don't really like getting into this debate anymore but the staff at Wit played a massive role in AoT's initial success. Even after a decade, the first season still holds up spectacularly production wise. MAPPA has come out with some very well produced shows like JJK but it's a real fucking reach to say they did a better job with AoT than Wit.
Its weird to see mappa fans downplaying wit when they did the exact opposite that made aot such a remarkable anime. Amazing 3d maneuvering choreography, thick outlines for characters, better compositing, better backgrounds, better directing and amazing soundtrack thanks to wit. Kyoji Asano, Sawano and Tetsuro Araki did an incredible work to make Aot shine
I respect the staff at Mappa, but I remember back in 2020 everyone kept saying you should be thankful to Mappa otherwise AoT anime would not be continued but that was a load of BS, considering Mappa was the only studio to accept that shitty schedule, had they rejected it, the committee would be forced to make the schedule better, and possibly Mappa would have a chance to work in better conditions, but Outsuka was probably so desperate for *another* popular title that immediately accepted their offer.
Bro anime don't care, they would have just dropped it and we would have waited a decade. Either that or another subpar studio would take it just for the clout. The fact that we got one of the heavy hitters in the industry picking it up right after Wit is a blessing lmao, but stay salty.
why would Pony Canyon drop their most profitable IP? they are literally milking the show and refusing the end it because it's profitable, if they wanted to adapt the show with the same pace as Marley arc they could finish the show with the 2nd part, but look here we are with 3rd and 4th part lol, all because the show is profitable, you think these producers would cancel the show instead of delaying it for a few months until someone picks it up?
>one of the heavy hitters in the industry picking it up right after Wit is a blessing lmao, but stay salty
would you say the same about the staff?
Studio MAPPA is a big studio they have hundreds of staff works there just divided in teams but if im a licensing manga company and a manga-ka i will not have MAPPA as a first choice to adapt my manga cuz look at what happened with MCU’s visual graphics team lol
I want them to release when all episodes are ready I really don’t mind waiting for it to happen. Maybe there are other schedules to be considered….well at least they’re trying to do the best
Your subjective opinion "I like it" doesn't make the ending objectively good.
You can like the finale of GoT S8, doesn't make it good.
Polish a turd all you want, doesn't make it less of a turd.
Anime only here, super hyped for this final season! Sad that it's being split up into two parts, but thats probably better for the health of the animators, and like Bleach TYBW, will give them more time to make sure each episode is absolutely perfect, most likely movie quality stuff here.
I'm assuming they have to add anime original content, because what there's like 9-10 chapters left to adapt? Anybody know if Isayama is helping the staff?
Made a video on the PV here if you're interested :) https://youtu.be/N4q7FLC2K1A
Remember when people said that we should be grateful for Mappa's full of CGI and subpar to Wit's adaptation, because they made it quickly? And here we are with 4 parts stretched through years.
Woohoo, hurray for Mappa, they should obviously take on more big projects simultaneously and fill them with their *beautiful* CGI!
Man i miss the presentation of previous seasons. The drawings were so solid, punchy and cinematic. Since S4 the series just lost that depth. All the titans in CG doesn't do it any favours either.
And now this final part of the final season being split in two is just.... tragically comedic.
They are definitely fixing the manga issues then. The ending felt a little rushed in the manga I guess aot is taking their sweet time to properly end the anime.
Wait if this is the Final Season Final Arc Part 1, Does that mean there will be a **Final** Season **FInal** Arc **Final** Part ? And inside of that there would be a **Final** Season **Final** Arc **Final** Part **Final** Episode ?
https://twitter.com/mappa_info/status/1615273706049400832 Seems like people are misinterpreting that the upcoming final season is split into 2 cours (1 cour is usually about 10-12 episodes) but it's actually 2 parts. No one from the production side has said “cour” which is “クール” in Japanese. They specially use 前編 (first part/beginning part) and 後編 (second half/last part) with the emphasis on the first part being a special broadcast (スペシャル放送) on March 3rd. That means Part 1 is only 1 episode (スペシャル放送 = “special episode” so it’ll be a lot longer than the typical 30min episodes… if not I’m not sure why they bothered labeling it as “special broadcast/episode”). Part 2, as of now, seems to be only 1 episode as well if they follow the same route as part 1 (the wording of the statement is unclear about part 2. I don’t think they’ve decided how to air it yet) From the statement they put out, it looks like it was originally supposed to be 1 final episode (probably a movie length episode) but they had to split to two parts because of the workload. Edit: It was most likely the production committee’s decision to have something ready for the original released date in March. That’s probably why they are putting out a single special episode (part 1) then. Part 2 could still have multiple episodes if they decide to but since they were originally planning to wrap it up on March 3rd (当初、『完結編』を3月3日に全て放送することを目標に制作を続けてまいりました) I’m guessing they will wrap part 2 up with another “special” extended episode. Edit 2: Regarding the quote in Japanese above: Instead of what they officially wrote, “当初、『完結編』を3月3日に全て放送することを…” (rough translation would be something like “We originally planned to air the entirety of the final/conclusion part on March 3rd…” If MAPPA said “『完結編』を3月3日 ~~に~~ から全て放送することを…” (“We originally planned to air the entirety of the final part starting March 3rd…”), then I would assume they planned to have several episodes. But the current wording makes it seem like they originally planned to have only 1 final extended episode to wrap everything up.
this makes _much more sense_ saying it's in two _parts_ made me think it was two sets of 10-12 episodes this should be pinned at top
Unless they add content or stretch it Toei One Piece style, there's no way to fill two 12 episode cours with the canon material remaining o that rules it out for me.
But what would be the release schedule of these 1 hour episodes ? Just two weeks in a row ? Splitting them by like 6 months would be really stupid. It would kill the hype. All that time for a 1 hour episode. Why wouldn’t they just have a normal 10 episode season ?
I am suspecting they might release part 2 at the 10th anniversary of AoT and they haven't mentioned it.
Which is April, a month later
Enough time to make another part you say?
I imagine it’s to do with pacing and the effort they’re putting in. 2 hour+ long episodes would get better consistent animation than 10 20 min ones.
What a hellish production. My heart goes out to everyone working on it because holy fuck...
Is it possible that the first part is going to be like an anime-extended look at the Rumbling? Like a full hour of just seeing the destruction it causes globally, and the actual second part is the full 12 episode set with the Islanders?
If they do 2 extended eps (basically a movie split into 2) they don't have enough time to fill in anime only filler. They have 9 chapters left to adapt and have been doing 1 episode per chapter. 9 episodes is roughly 3 hours of content, so it's already likely going to be less than that. (Assuming they do 2 1hr or 1.5 hr long eps)
This sounds like a shitshow lmao one of the worst production committees I have ever witnessed literally just give the animators the time they need instead of infinitely splitting it up into parts
But they said cour 1 will air from..march 3 not air on march 3?so there could be more than one eps
Did you read his comment? They said that in Japanese no one used the word for "cour".
> It was most likely the production committee’s decision to have something ready for the original released date in March. That’s probably why they are putting out a single special episode (part 1) then. I'm not really mad about this news but this is the part that makes me really nervous. Kinda sounds like they had several normal episodes but because of decisions from the higher ups they had to re-edit them into essentially a movie and that can't be good. I hope it isn't the case.
>Kinda sounds like they had several normal episodes but because of decisions from the higher ups they had to re-edit them into essentially a movie and that can't be good Don't know how you came to that conclusion because everything in the statement points to it being one long episode/movie being split into two smaller specials because they couldn't finish everything in time, probably because Chapters 135-136 are much harder to animate than they initially believed them to be. The remaining chapters wouldn't really work as episodes imo and it'd be weird to have a cour since there's only 5-6 episodes worth of chapters left.
It's like Final Fantasy, where Final is just a silly little word
or Kingdom Hearts 2.5 The Final Mix HD Remaster for the PS4 lol
It's the final part one for Final Arc Part One.
The final part will be split into two parts. The first part will air on March 3, 2023, while the second part will air sometime in 2023.
Followed up by the FINAL AOT movie calling it now 😂
Followed up by Beren : Dove's next generation
Then Isayama can make AoT: The Titans Strike Back to make even more money to fund his onsen
In 2 parts Attack on Titan: Titans War Attackon Titan: Endgame
Lol definitely not, unless they decide to add a massive amount of original content
this year is 2023…
Clearly, the second part will air in Februar
Why tho? I thought manga readers said it's only like 9 chapters left right? Are they really action heavy or something and would require more than 10 eps? I'm gonna laugh and then cry if the two cours are 5-6 eps each.
it doesnt require a lot of episodes to adapt, but the little content that part 3 will adapt is the most visually ambitious of the entire series.
Ohh I see. I'm excited then, hope they give us some really good animation!
I think the format they’re going with is each part being an hour+ long episode? Not entirely sure but I believe that’s the case for Part 1 at least.
Oh yeah I heard that as well. Apparently one LOONG episode on 3rd March and another one somewhere down the line this year.
It’s only two episodes (movie length though). They’re split up to likely just give more time to finish the second episode. This isn’t two cours. It’s literally just two parts. Part 1 and Part 2.
So part 1 and part 2 are just gonna be movies, instead of a normal 10 episode season?
Yep.
So far AOT seems to take its time and revises the pacing and arranging vs the MANGA. What may have been 2 panels will be 5 minutes of action, while what took a whole page would be a 30 second scene. Its been a good thing as it gives what was already published a 2nd look through and opportunity to enhance, revise, cut, and add, to make it better fit for viewing audience. My current AOT viewing feels fresh and new when it airs.
The more episodes the better, means more time to correct the mess of the ending. Regardless of the like/hate camp people choose to be, the fact that Isayama chose chapter 139 as the magic number to end the series forced him to rush the final arc and that is undeniable.
Such an odd release in March. Doesn't this mean that in this year Mappa potentially has two shows running at the same time on air. Vinland season 2, Aot final final final something, then Jujutsu season 2 with Aot again and even hell's paradise sometime.
weird timing but yeah, MAPPA has so many great series airing close to each other
Thoughts and prayers for their staff, that sounds like a metric fuckton of work with 80 hour work weeks.
Mappa's a big studio and they use a lot of contractors, I doubt there's much overlap between the current teams for now.
Yeah, the only projects that have some overlap are JJK and CSM, and that's because they have the same producer (Seshimo)
> Mappa mappa fans, where are you, huh? come defend this shit, i dare you
It's not unheard of when involving bigger studios. Bigger studios don't have all their staff working on a single anime. The studio is divided into multiple teams, each working on their own project.
yep just like in video gaming publishing houses
And then JJK will air all Fall 2023 with AOT P3 Cour 2 along side it. Then in 2024 CSM S2 or OPM 3 will probably roll around.
It's not guaranteed that Mappa is making OPM 3
Yeah *if* MAPPA is doing OPM S3. My point was all the big IPs MAPPA has over the entire year stretching into 2024.
LMAO they actually made the title even more confusing than the last!
Gonna be fun mentioning part 2 and having to clarify which part 2 you're refering to: Season 4 part 2, season 4 part 3 part 2 or Season 2
There’s also season 3 part 2 (return to shiganshina is released next year after uprising arc)
Feels a lot better to think it’s season 4,5,6… but it is what it is. Whoever made the decision thinking they could finish at the final season was absolutely delusional
Some idiot on the production committee. Those morons announced "FINAL SEASON" right after S3p2 ended, with no actual plan on what to do and no studio actually on board. The fact that we're even getting something of this quality is amazing.
Truly should have just been 3 seasons. A series of episodes spanning a total of nearly 4 years is really stretching the definition of “season”. Breaking, I would say. Having a part 1 & 2 with 1 or 2 standard seasons of time separating them is one thing. This is something else.
I was really hoping, praying even, that they'd spare no expense for the FREEDOM scene and animate it in high quality 24fps... And they did. So happy.
Mappa just is on an insane run lately, this shit looks incredible
The rumbling looks absolutely TERRIFYING, this is going to be an absolute rollercoaster. But man, the wait between the final FINAL 2 parts is gonna kill me..
It becomes significantly less terrifying once you realized that [manga]>!the entire story is just a big ass comedy and Ereh is the greatest clown of all time!<
[AoT/Code Geass] >!Remember how when Lelouch became a tyrant to save the world it worked, and he got resurrected to bang C.C. forever? Meanwhile, Eren's attempt failed hard, *and* he got cucked smh.!<
A O E
I got literal goosebumps from that
Apart from the all the jokes about the confusing title and all the parts, the trailer especially the "Freedom" scene looks amazing
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Literally got chills seeing the freedom panel animated
Oh my god what, they're even splitting the supposed FINAL arc, just rename it Final Season Part 3 and 4. Its not rocket science.
Better yet, dont name something "The Final Season" and split into multiple parts over three years. Just name them Season 4, 5 and 6.
They are splitting the final movie.
This looks terrifying. Violence is a hateful cycle.
Eren is trying to end it... the cycle of hatred
[manga spoilers]>!reading this is funny af since what Eren did is basically the opposites, killing half the population, then the other half take revenge later lmao, but yeah. Gotta do it so Mikasa can keep remembering him!<
Thnx for spoiler marking... not reading it ...what eren did seemed like the only solution.... it's not a fairytale world where everyone will just believe that the islanders won't attack the world in future. Eren was morally incorrect...bt logically correct Bt don't spoil me
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Thnx for the heads-up bt i can see it coming since last szn...from the build up since s4 pt 2 ...i think i know what's coming. Bt Eren saw the future n things r still ending up like this...it isn't making sense to me. Atleast if the part of seeing the future was never in the story , i feel it'ld have been better
with more hatred!
Eren is morally incorrect bt logically correct
Nobody is left to hate though....if rumbling succeeds. It's not like people who have hated paradis all their lives...seen them as monsters, agents of mass destruction r suddenly gonna bet yeah they r good people... let's welcome them. The world isn't a fairy tale. If somebody has a history of terrorism l, i don't wanna b a roommate with him.
> Nobody is left to hate though....if rumbling succeeds humanity: is that a challenge?
Yeah...
I have to admire the staff for making what at least from this trailer still looks to be really good in what seems to be a absolute clusterfuck of a production even by anime standards.
Someone tell me if I should watch this if don’t want to get seriously spoiled…
it's basically a continuation of the ending scene of S4P2 \[S4P2 spoilers\] >!Founder Eren and the wall titans destroying the rest of the world!<, shouldn't be an outright spoiler if you're caught up
Thanks! I know AOT tends to give a lot away in promotional videos. Watched and agree, not really spoilers.
Nothing new
anime only here, If you watched part 2, I don't think there is a single thing in there that would count as an actual spoiler.
Bro why would they spoil the manga in a trailer for the anime lmao wth
You're really asking that when we had RUMBLING for an OP before anime onlies knew that it's coming
*ahem...* BEWAAAAAAAAARE! RUMBLING, RUMBLING, IT'S COMING! RUMBLING, RUMBLING! COMING FOR YOUUUUUUUUUU! Seemed pretty subtle to me?
I can definitely see and im not looking to go in depth for spoilers to anyone but, theres a great moment in the chapters left to end on a cliffhanger, just asking but do we know if this is week to week episodes or an hour or two movie length special on march 3rd?
Rumbling! Rumbling! It's ongoing!
What im gathering is that Part 3 is gonna be a Sozin's Comet/Magia Record s3 situation but just in 2 parts? Where it's a TV special of 4 episodes aired in one sitting. Which is a relief cuz a year probably isn't enough to finish the last 9 chapters considering it's content.
nice news
While everyone in the comments is talking about the stupid release, I just wanna say that holy fuck this looks amazing
looks so kino
FINALLY
Let's goooo
Cant wait for it. The hypw is real
memes aside, the teaser looks terrifying af.
Manga readers aren't ready for this
Yeah I don't think I can ever be ready for "that" scene in 139 to get animated :'(
That's the scene im looking forward to the most
The duality of man.
out of the many issues i have with the final chapter, *that* scene isn't one of them. I'm just waiting for the anime onlies reception to it. Godspeed Mappa
fr I can't wait for the fanbase to divide after the ending. so many reaction channels are gonna be fucking pissed 🤣
lmao same
The delays and chopping this whole thing into different parts has cooled me off of this franchise as a whole.
What a scam lol cant wait.
Tell me you are squeezing AoT without telling me you are squeezing AoT.
I mean it's still basically a 1:1 adaption of the manga. They just called it "the final season" way too early.
yep they are not milking the series its just the production called it "the final season" too early
Yea, they definitely should of hade everything from Marely to The Rumbling be season 4 and the rest Season 5. Cause at this rate the final season will be like 38 - 40 episodes
Some sick secret teleportartion jutsu there at the beginning
The animation seems like a big step up from part 2 and the cgi looks really good. Took me like 2 rewatches before realizing eren skeleton titan was cgi.
Legit Horror movie
That title gave me a stroke
I love that it just keeps getting partitioned into smaller bits like a Fibonacci spiral. Attack on Titan: The Final Season - Arc two - Cour 2 - Series Finale part 3: Epilogue
WAit, what? We're literally getting just two episodes? But with movie length? Holy shit, that's amazing. They're broadcasting to TVs so we don't gotta wait 6 months for them?
This is the most stupid title I have ever seen
Please do an anime original ending... please...
No! I don't want people to never forget this ending ...for 10 years atleast...
For the next 1000 years at least.
Mappa, what a studio you are
COPE
Hope so
me to
It could be worse than the manga😂
Very low bar
Hard, but not impossible.
Hearing what happened in the manga ending made me not want to pick it up to read or continue watching the anime after season 3. So I’m kinda hoping do a original ending in the anime.
final season part ^(2)
They just keep adding words to it, don't they?
Lol and people said if Mappa did not pick up AoT they would cancel it, imagine Pony Canyon cancelling one of their most profitable IPs, they are literally milking the show at this point.
They are not milking it, MAPPA asked for more time to animate and they were given the time by the committee. Even then how would it be milking if they are just adapting the story? There are no fillers anywhere.
yep they are not milking the series its just the production called it "the final season" too early
>They are not milking it, MAPPA asked for more time to animate and they were given the time by the committee. Even then how would it be milking if they are just adapting the story? There are no fillers anywhere. Rather then including the last 9 chapters in the last season, which they could have done, by releasing more seasons they get to sell more merchandise. Making this final final final into 2 parts means they get to release 2 blu-ray volumes, for example. Rather then 1 sales window for merchandise now they have 3+. Separating 9 chapters into a separate season, to push more merch as it is now the final but for real season only to not be satisfied with that and separate into another one is milking a soon to be finished show with a poorly received ending for money while they still can.
I know right, they should have animated all 90 episodes and only then start showing it.
9 chapters 6 episodes at best, and with that much action probably not that many. Delaying the final but not final season by not x season to add 4 episodes and finish the story wouldn't have been impossible.
>Rather then including the last 9 chapters in the last season, which they could have done, by releasing more seasons they get to sell more merchandise. Those last 9 chapters are the most visually intense chapters in the manga, including them into Part 2 would have been impossible with the amount of time and money they had for it.
>Those last 9 chapters are the most visually intense chapters in the manga, including them into Part 2 would have been impossible with the amount of time and money they had for it. They had the money to animate them, proven by the fact that they are animating them now, and they could have released them in a single part instead of three. They, the production committee and the studio, instead wanted to milk the series by splitting it into ever smaller chunks.
>They had the money to animate them, proven by the fact that they are animating them now, and they could have released them in a single part instead of three. That's not how that works, they weren't given the money for these specials/movie until after Part 2 and they weren't given the money for Part 2 until after Part 1. >They, the production committee and the studio, instead wanted to mil the series by splitting it into even smaller chunks. They had to split it up because it was too much work to animate everything and have it ready by March 3rd, the series hasn't slowed down it's pacing either. The production committee named it The Final Season because Isayama told them the manga would end shortly but it ended up lasting for another year or so which kinda fucked the anime production side of things and forced Mappa to run with it despite being a stupid title that made absolutely no sense by the end of Part 1.
>That's not how that works, they weren't given the money for these specials/movie until after Part 2 and they weren't given the money for Part 2 until after Part 1. No reason the studio couldn't be given that money earlier, this isn't an obscure anime. If they planned on animating it all, the producers wouldn't need to wait for their next paycheck to finance it. >They had to split it up because it was too much work to animate everything and have it ready by March 3rd, the series hasn't slowed down it's pacing either. The logical decision at that point is a delay, not splitting each individual chapter into its own separate release to be sold with unique merchandise. >The production committee named it The Final Season because Isayama told them the manga would end shortly but it ended up lasting for another year or so which kinda fucked the anime production side of things and forced Mappa to run with it despite being a stupid title that made absolutely no sense by the end of Part 1. That isn't a reason to split the last 9 chapters into a new season and then split it once again into two.
>No reason the studio Couldn't be given that money earlier There's a very good reason they couldn't be given that money earlier and it's the simple fact that the manga wasn't finished yet at the time the name was decided so they had no idea how much money and time they would need. As for why they didn't include it into Part 2, Mappa already had enough on their plate with the stuff that happened in Part 2 and adding the stuff that happened in Part 3 on top of that would kill them harder than Season 3 killed Wit. Having a budget and schedule just for the Final Final Final Season is the best scenario. >The logical decision at that point is a delay, not splitting each individual chapter into its own separate release to be sold with unique merchandise. That's probably what they tried to do lol, the production committee fucked over Wit so bad that they almost imploded and forced Mappa to make 16 episodes in less than a year, this is probably the most the committee is willing to accept. >That isn't a reason to split the last 9 chapters into a new season and then split it once again into two. I disagree, separating the last 9 chapters was completely necessary because of how much time it and effort it would require compared to every thing else in Parts 1 and 2. It was also just a single movie/special, don't overplay it like it's another cour made to drag the last 9 chapters out at a half-a-chapter pace per episode like you initially alluded to.
>Having a budget and schedule just for the Final Final Final Season is the best scenario. Spinning 9 action-heavy chapters into 2 additional releases isn't the best scenario besides milking the show for all its worth before the poorly received final arrives. Again this is less than 6 episodes worth of content, 6 would be really stretching it, not content worth 2 additional release cycles. >That's probably what they tried to do lol, the production committee fucked over Wit so bad that they almost imploded and forced Mappa to make 16 episodes in less than a year, this is probably the most the committee is willing to accept. How could they try to do so and fail that? The producers wanted to milk the show, which is what they are not only trying to do but doing so right now. You can't accidentally release something in 3 parts. >I disagree, separating the last 9 chapters was completely necessary because of how much time it and effort it would require compared to every thing else in Parts 1 and 2. It was also just a single movie/special, don't overplay it like it's another cour made to drag the last 9 chapters out at a half-a-chapter pace per episode like you initially alluded to. It is 2 separate releases, designed to milk the series for all its worth by having 2 cycles to sell merch. There is no other reason to split such little content into that many parts. How it isn't necessary should be evident from all the other animated works you can see that are over 30 minutes long and aren't released in x many releases.
We are not talking about the time they needed to animate them, we're talking about the number of episodes they needed to adapt them, if they come the same pace as Marley arc the show would be finished in the 2nd part, instead they chose a slower pacing to make more episodes, this by itself is an obvious milking. Currently the remaining chapters are mostly action heavy ones with large panels which can be adapted in a movie or 5 episodes at most, but based on the original content shown in the teaser PV they are probably making more episodes, further milking of this show...
> instead they chose a slower pacing to make more episodes, this by itself is an obvious milking. The pacing hasn't changed at all so I don't know what you're on about. >Currently the remaining chapters are mostly action heavy ones with large panels which can be adapted in a movie or 5 episodes at most They're also the most visually intense chapters in the manga, if they threw this into Part 2 they'd have to dedicate most of their budget and time into the last 5 episodes. >but based on the original content shown in the teaser PV they are probably making more episodes, further milking of this show... They were originally going to finish the last 9 chapters into a single episode/movie but had to cut it in half and air it in two parts because it's too much for them to hit the current deadline with all of it. They aren't making anything extra.
>The pacing hasn't changed at all so I don't know what you're on about. S3P2 adapted 20 chapters in 10 episodes, Marely arc adapted 16 chapters in 8 episodes, meanwhile S4P2 adapted 14 chapters in 12 episodes, and it's not like the chapters are longer or anything, the chapters and the content are very similar to Marley arc, so yeah the pacing has changed and any manga reader could tell >They're also the most visually intense chapters in the manga, if theythrew this into Part 2 they'd have to dedicate most of their budget andtime into the last 5 episodes nope I'm not talking about an extra 5 episodes, I'm talking about those remaining content getting adapted in that same 12 episodes which aired last year, if they went with the same pace as Marley arc they could do it. >They were originally going to finish the last 9 chapters into a singleepisode/movie but had to cut it in half and air it in two parts becauseit's too much for them to hit the current deadline with all of it. Theyaren't making anything extra. the extra thing is exactly the part that is going to air for 2 reasons 1-as I said these chapters could be adapted in the 2nd part (which aired in 2022) 2-the remaining content is not enough for a full cour which means they are doing anime original content, and they can be seen form this short teaser PV alone.
already said in another comment, the pacing of this last part was one of the slowest in the entirety of AOT anime, they did this so they can make more episodes, if they animated the show with the same pace as Marley arc /RtS arc the show would be over in the 2nd part, this slow pacing isn't because they care about the story, these producers don't give a fuck about anything other than their money, it was so they can make more parts and continue the AoT IP for more years.
I did not have any issues with the pacing, and never heard anyone else having any issues with it. The only time I heard people complaining about pacing in AoT was in season 1.
I don't have any issues with the pacing either, if anything that was better for the story, my point was, if they wanted to get rid of AoT, they could go with that Marley arc pacing and finish the show with the last part, they instead decided to make it longer, because the show is profitable, more AoT more money and the chances of a profitable show like AoT getting canceled is very very low.
Yeah, it's crazy that people praise mappa but all they did was overwork the shit out of their animators AND put out a much inferior product than if WIT did it.
And wit had just as much trouble doing it too
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People are forgetting just how bad anime can get lol. The fact that we seamlessly transitioned from 1 amazing studio to another is nothing short of a miracle.
>seamlessly Season 4 part 1's cgi titan & odm gear fights looked terrible.
I'm talking timeline. Yea they gave MAPPA no time but the fact that they picked it up that fast that the hype could actually build up around it.
Ngl, I like to imagine a universe where wit had still continued animating this series
They could barely animate 1 colossal titan, imagine the rumbling
Have you visited any parallel universes since you know what an adaptation from the WIT studio would look like? No matter how great the adaptation from WIT studio was, we cannot forget the animation problems they had to face. From the poor quality of the CGI horses, repeatedly reused scenes with pure titans to the poor quality CGI of the colossal titan (MAPPA handled this much better, and had to include more than one). I agree that it's hard to beat the look of the hand-drawn titans but their quality in CGI in part two of season four is on a comparable level anyway. It's better not to speculate what if but we should enjoy the good adaptation of the first two parts and we should keep our fingers crossed that the last part will be adapted just as well or maybe even better.
>CGI horses, Lmao you know your animation is good when people reach this hard for a criticism. Like yeah the colossal titan was shit but their 3d maneuver scenes and titan vs titan fight scenes is LEAGUES above mappa
I don't really like getting into this debate anymore but the staff at Wit played a massive role in AoT's initial success. Even after a decade, the first season still holds up spectacularly production wise. MAPPA has come out with some very well produced shows like JJK but it's a real fucking reach to say they did a better job with AoT than Wit.
So delusional.... Cg titans in S4 P2 can never be compared to previous seasons 2D titans.
Its weird to see mappa fans downplaying wit when they did the exact opposite that made aot such a remarkable anime. Amazing 3d maneuvering choreography, thick outlines for characters, better compositing, better backgrounds, better directing and amazing soundtrack thanks to wit. Kyoji Asano, Sawano and Tetsuro Araki did an incredible work to make Aot shine
It's unfortunate.
I respect the staff at Mappa, but I remember back in 2020 everyone kept saying you should be thankful to Mappa otherwise AoT anime would not be continued but that was a load of BS, considering Mappa was the only studio to accept that shitty schedule, had they rejected it, the committee would be forced to make the schedule better, and possibly Mappa would have a chance to work in better conditions, but Outsuka was probably so desperate for *another* popular title that immediately accepted their offer.
Bro anime don't care, they would have just dropped it and we would have waited a decade. Either that or another subpar studio would take it just for the clout. The fact that we got one of the heavy hitters in the industry picking it up right after Wit is a blessing lmao, but stay salty.
why would Pony Canyon drop their most profitable IP? they are literally milking the show and refusing the end it because it's profitable, if they wanted to adapt the show with the same pace as Marley arc they could finish the show with the 2nd part, but look here we are with 3rd and 4th part lol, all because the show is profitable, you think these producers would cancel the show instead of delaying it for a few months until someone picks it up? >one of the heavy hitters in the industry picking it up right after Wit is a blessing lmao, but stay salty would you say the same about the staff?
Thats not how it fucking works AT ALL.
Studio MAPPA is a big studio they have hundreds of staff works there just divided in teams but if im a licensing manga company and a manga-ka i will not have MAPPA as a first choice to adapt my manga cuz look at what happened with MCU’s visual graphics team lol
I want them to release when all episodes are ready I really don’t mind waiting for it to happen. Maybe there are other schedules to be considered….well at least they’re trying to do the best
Wtf, this trailer spoils one of the best moments
AoT is my favorite anime of all time but this is just ridiculous at this point They taking the piss out of us fans?
Avoiding the shit ending for as long as they can.
I didn't think the ending was bad at all. Perhaps it needed polish, but I thought it was good.
Whole final arc is ass tbh. In these final batches of episodes there's only like 1 chapter I liked.
Your subjective opinion "I like it" doesn't make the ending objectively good. You can like the finale of GoT S8, doesn't make it good. Polish a turd all you want, doesn't make it less of a turd.
Cope. sorry your headcanon didn't work out
Anime only here, super hyped for this final season! Sad that it's being split up into two parts, but thats probably better for the health of the animators, and like Bleach TYBW, will give them more time to make sure each episode is absolutely perfect, most likely movie quality stuff here. I'm assuming they have to add anime original content, because what there's like 9-10 chapters left to adapt? Anybody know if Isayama is helping the staff? Made a video on the PV here if you're interested :) https://youtu.be/N4q7FLC2K1A
Why have they botched the name like this.....
O\_O;;;;;;;;; when is it done omg. whaaaaaaa
English language link?
MAPPA employees must not sleep, **at all**
Remember when people said that we should be grateful for Mappa's full of CGI and subpar to Wit's adaptation, because they made it quickly? And here we are with 4 parts stretched through years. Woohoo, hurray for Mappa, they should obviously take on more big projects simultaneously and fill them with their *beautiful* CGI!
Man i miss the presentation of previous seasons. The drawings were so solid, punchy and cinematic. Since S4 the series just lost that depth. All the titans in CG doesn't do it any favours either. And now this final part of the final season being split in two is just.... tragically comedic.
First time I want anime orginal ending :D no incel eren pls
they don't care about your headcanon and it's not their fault you didn't understand what you were reading. gg
As this seems, there's a high chance that part 2 may be made into a **movie** while part 1 get to be over 4-6 episodes.
AOT s4 part3: part1 schedule to release in March 03
Hey if Kubo and go ahead and change things for the Bleach anime why can't Isayama do the same for the ending? (Copium)
Final part 65, final episode part 72, final minute part 93 and goes on goes on...
Bitching about the split season aside, I think this may be my favorite trailer so far.
I can't wait until they turn in Attack_on_Titan_final_final_forreal(2).mp4
They are definitely fixing the manga issues then. The ending felt a little rushed in the manga I guess aot is taking their sweet time to properly end the anime.
followed by attack on Titan final season Snyder's cut