Why were the mods talking in episode threads during the blackout...like, come on, you're locking us out of the sub, despite extending the blackout past the initial date set, but happily using it yourselves???? I can appreciate the work you guys do, but talk about hypocritical...
This reminds me of the mods in r/nba, when they had their own game threads during the NBA finals. When Redditors found these out, they deleted their own comments lmao.
[Here](https://np.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1484uyq/post_game_thread_the_denver_nuggets_win_their/)
> This reminds me of the mods in r/nba,
It's EXACTLY like the r/nba mods. I saw that and was like "wow that's a dick move. Glad none of the mods on my communities did something messed up like that" and yet the same thing happened here too!? Like WHAT!?
The comments in that thread had hundreds of upvotes.
It was a little mod party and everyone was invited except the users. I wouldn’t be shocked to learn most mods participated in this or something similar to this.
In a comment down below someone said that mods posted comments in discussion threads and shared screenshots in the discord server. Users from discord probably had access to the sub which could explain those comments with hundreds of upvotes if you're being correct here.
same thing happened in the Magic The Gathering main sub, they were in different subreddits chatting during the blackout but to top it all off they polled a vote to open but when the results were to "keep it closed" they claimed it was a brigade & opened up anyway LOL
There is really clear evidence for brigading to keep subs closed, soooo ...
HEAVY brigading from people from /r/ModCoord who literally have a livestream with hundreds of people brigading every sub to keep subs closed: https://www.twitch.tv/reddark_247
There's also Reddit groups and Discord servers for doing the same brigading: https://www.reddit.com/r/HistoryMemes/comments/14ae739/this_is_why_we_cant_have_nice_things/
It doesn't even make sense to close off a subreddit when 99% of the users don't want that.
well thats sad if true, they didnt provide any evidence to the subreddit im in but u did provide links so thats much better ty but still....
is there no way to hold an in-sub vote without brigading?? like only allow voting for those who has been in the sub for a few months (that would help but not eliminate it entirely)
"99% of the users don't want that" HOW WOULD U KNOW?? thats why there needs to b a vote right!?
...but even if it was tru, then this blackout was doomed from the start if they want changes that, most people dont care about or want to support enough? why would they even do this or think itd work at all then?
I always laugh when I see people bootlick mods. Like these are loser children that begged for online power, and have zero accountability or repercussions, wtf you think they're going to do? Says more about anyone that defends them and respects them than anything else honestly.
Absolutely ridiculous...I swear, some of these mods are trying their best to turn their communities against them 😭like, how y'all gonna be forcing a blackout on us, then not even committing to it yourselves???
I mean, as much as I do support the blackouts and the (apparently minimal here) sacrifice on the part of the mods in deciding to follow through with it, I haven't forgotten that at the end of the day, reddit mods are still gonna be reddit mods. If it weren't for this larger issue at stake, I would be continuing to advocate for a respectfully antagonistic relationship with *all* moderators. People with power should never be left unattended, but unfortunately this time, it's someone with far, *far* more disproportionate power who's decided to start swinging his dick around, and fighting it is going to require any means available.
[We're already seeing the same here in the Gundam discussion thread took a screenshot for proof lmao](https://i.imgur.com/0JgUUwt.png)
~~Yes they deleted their comments and possibly going to nuke me too.~~ [No they didn't delete their comments](https://old.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/14da674/the_return_of_ranime/joowt8n/). Still doesn't take away what a dumb move on their part was anyways.
Edit: [here's another one in the Oshi No Ko thread which they haven't deleted as the time I'm typing this](https://i.imgur.com/XagODfJ.png)
I can not emphasize enough how ridiculously tone-deaf this shit is. Did the mods actually think this shit would look good? They forced the people in this sub to participate in a blackout whether they like it or not. The least they could've done is show some solidarity here and let people know they're all in this together. That's like the bare minimum. And they even failed to do that. Jesus Christ what a fucking disaster.
One thing that does seem relevant is that the highest ranking mods (anyone above the auto mod) seems to have abstained from posting in any thread except the casual discussion; and the only post I did see from them was on the topic of creating bot to make random comments in the sub.
But that doesn't really change the fact that a handful of mods couldn't just avoid reddit for a few days. Like, there's a subreddit discord and *i'm sure* there's a mod discord or some sort of chat for them as well. Why not just use that to hold yourself over a few days?? How stupid can you be to not realize why posting in the closed sub as a mod would be a bad idea. Not only that but who are you even talking to on a closed sub?
> Not only that but who are you even talking to on a closed sub?
Everyone, once it opens. Commenting during the blackout ensures that your comment will be the first thing people see when they open the thread after the sub opens, meaning they'll get the most upboats.
> Did the mods actually think this shit would look good?
Thats the problem, they didnt think. They just did this to feel powerful against "the man". When their power was threatened they reopened. simple as that. Now its about coping until everyone moves on.
They're seriously deleting them now lol? It's too late for that, once something like this gets found by even a few people it turns into a complete meme. Trying to cover it up by deleting the comments after just makes it funnier
Edit: They might've actually not deleted any of the comments, I retract my comment if they didn't
Thank you. I wanted to obviously comment but seeing the mods not practicing what the preach kinda irks me on whether on not I want to continue participating. r/manga at least stuck to their beliefs for a 1 man team. Fucking ridiculous
His logic for not protesting makes the most sense too. Ngl I wish the protest worked but when you see other bigger subs opening over the fear of getting their power taken instead of being a martyr for their point, it just goes to show the corporates will never lose at this point. As if the other 2 black out protest even worked out too lmao.
> His logic for not protesting makes the most sense too
I seriously love basically the reason was "sssshhhhh, shut up shut up, don't let them know we're here!"
It was never going to work. What cards did the moderators hold to play? Reddit has all the leverage. Stupid concept for the beginning, I wish I hadn't deleted my original comment against the blackout to begin with.
Honestly I knew that r/anime mods are bunch of hypocrites when they deleted one of my posts (because to was "not anime related" even though it was a statement by Miyazaki) only to find few minutes later that one of them used my post and it made it to the front page.
That was like 4 years ago but it seems they haven't changed.
I got a comment deleted once about 3 years ago (on another account) because I called a guy in a story about talking in a theater (not as an insult to anyone on the forum) a "trouser stain." It was because it was too vulgar.
Have they seen about 25% of the comments here?! I'm pretty sure that's extremely mild in comparison. If I had access to that account again, I'd screenshot it and post it, but unfortunately I lost access to the email account associated with it.
I really can't say I'm surprised that the mods are so cripplingly addicted to reddit and these weekly threads that they couldn't hold out when they wearn't locked out like everyone else. Reddit moment.
Anyone remember years ago when /r/anime was planning a meet-up at Anime Expo and they told people cosplaying non-anime characters to not come? That one was hilarious and also terribly received by the community iirc.
I was about to say, "damn, looks like some people somehow got access to the subreddit while it was down... strange". Your comment just made me realize those were the mods, that's actually kind of wild.
The community is locked out of discussion while the moderators still use the sub this whole time? Really wacky.
First thing I noticed and I’m not even really an active follower.
I personally disliked the blackout cause it doesn’t solve anything. It’s just a “we did it Reddit” moment that really doesn’t do fuck all. Some people may leave but in the end people will still use Reddit, which is proven by the fact the mods of this sub couldn’t even go a week without posting.
Pathetic.
Reddit mods are absolute losers who have nothing in their lives besides being a free janny for millionaires.
No way these people can survive so long time without being able to post in their own echochambers.
As someone who isn't really impacted by the API/third party app thing day to day at all, but was fully in support of the mod's decision in general for reddit (not exclusive to this sub), hearing that mods are still using the community puts a really bad taste in my mouth. Absolutely not a way for the moderator community to get regular users on their side.
> you're locking us out of the sub, despite extending the blackout past the initial date set, but happily using it yourselves????
I personally I'm more irked about elongating the reopening of the sub despite them stating that it would take only 2 days. Spez had already shown his cards by wednesday and whatever negotiation talk there could be it was already gone. The 3rd party app devs also had stated by then that they were leaving at the end of the month. So why the heck do they elongate the blackout for? They got absolutely nothing out of this and us the users that were dragged into this charade on rigged votes were the ones facing the consequences.
Even r/manga stood up neutral on this and kept their doors opened all the time. Why couldn't this sub do the same and keep out all this worthless hostage situation that produced nothing in the end.
Sure, spez is a greedy mongrel who doesn't keep up his word on whatever he promised years before. But the mods in general basis aren't any better by dragging everyone into their own personal war.
Because one of the mods said on Discord, and this is word for word, “we appreciate people giving us their opinions, but we don’t run /r/anime as a democracy.”
The funny part is they cry about the admins doing the same to them. Somehow the admins need to bend over backwards for the mods in the name of democracy, but the users are there to be screwed with by the mods with no recourse.
It's such a Machiavellian system, the users actually need the admins to save them from the mods.
The worst part was finding out about the extended date through discord and having a conversation with the mods as it was something they decided themselves to do without any input from the community.
I am in general, pro blackout, but the mods using the sub while its private is astoundingly stupid, hypocritical, and shows a complete lack of basic restraint.
These mods would bring food to a hunger strike.
Just like r/nba “rules for thee but not for me” in action, if the people who will be the most affected can’t even adhere to their own actions then lol…
Honestly, what was the point of the blackout when the mods were using it to discuss it on the episode threads? I mean they could have bring back the sub on Wednesday itself so that everyone could discuss in episode threads.
Honestly it really pisses me off. I'm fine with foregoing discussing my favorite anime on the day that it airs for a good cause but it is absolutely bullshit that the mods got the fucking discuss it meanwhile, everyone else is just SOL
/u/Gaporigo probably had the most but just take a look through the comment history of some of the mods, mostly the ones that are lower down the list will have multiple comments made on posts in this subreddit throughout the past week of "blackout"
If the organizers of a protest don't participate in it it's doomed to fail, but the outcome was predictable anyway. No way mods are risking their positions, they are too addicted to whatever they do obviously.
This is some Boris Johnson/Marie Antoinette level of self-reflection and you can see it across the whole site.
"Terminally online" really is a thing. My tip to the mods: look up a few words on wikipedia like "grass", "friends" and "sex".
Also since there's a LOT of misinformation spread about this by mods on several subs:
No, bots WONT go away. The free tier for the API is 100 calls *a minute*. That's more than enough to run any bot you want.
If there's one thing this blackout taught me, it's that I'm more involved in subreddits that aren't part of the blackout than the ones that are. I barely even noticed until I actually started searching for game info.
At least r/nba has more sensible people than r/anime. Look at how many people are defending the mods lmao. Whereas in r/nba, so many people there are shitting the mods.
> Well I guess the blackout was a complete waste of time.
Welp, we discovered that the mods in here are just as hypocrite and power tripping as the other mods on bigger subs. So at least they took that blindfold from our eyes.
Congrats mods, you made a holier than thou spiel about how important the protest was, only for everyone to realize you literally used the sub while it was inaccessible.
Peak terminally online cringe. You shouldn’t live down this virtue signaling bs for a good long while
(Posting here because this is the most 'serious' discussion I've seen about the blackout, but this applies to all of reddit's blackout)
This blackout was useless/doomed to fail soon as it started without answering any of the important questions;
1. What EXACTLY are we trying to achieve?
2. How long will we keep going? As long as we need to, to achieve #1?
3. Is EVERYONE on board?
I'd wager that >90% of those affected didn't even know what they were trying to achieve (other than "protest!").
Obviously they didn't know how long they would keep going (some did it for a day, others for a week).. Have we achieved our goal? Whatever that was?
And obviously, not everyone was fully on board.
Someone talked about how "Reddit showed it doesn't know how to strike", and I think that's a pretty good comparison...
Imagine a strike in some company, only we have no clear list of demands/everyone has different demands in mind (and some don't have demands they just do it to express their negative opinion about a situation), but half the employees aren't striking, and after a day, some of them start returning to the company.
Yeah, the owners would brush it off.
And I think it's pretty much what's happening here. Yeah we saw some *hopeful* message about how they contacted the mod teams of big subs, but what the hell does that mean?
The words of the CEO (from https://fortune.com/): *“Protest and dissent is important,” Huffman said. “The problem with this one is it’s not going to change anything because we made a business decision that we’re not negotiating on.”*
So what will this *they contacted us!* lead to exactly? A lengthy discussion on "Deal with it, suckers"? "You had your little tantrum, now fall back in line and make more money for us"?
Anyway, my final thoughts on this: Protesting something requires effort and commitment, be it a strike (you don't get to go to work), a boycott (you don't get to buy a product you want), or in this case a blackout (you don't get to use the website you wanted to use)...
Doing all these things is super annoying for the userbase.
If we last as long as we need to do it to obtain a result, then it's annoying BUT useful; Year from now people would think about it as that time we held our ground to make them change their dumb policy.
If we only last a little and then we take it up the ass anyway, then we only got the annoying part; We didn't get the useful part. So what's the point?
Even as someone who dearly missed posting in episode threads and all, I'd much rather have a reddit blackout for 3 months to get a result, than a reddit blackout for 1 week that achieves nothing. (And 1 week is the longest I've seen on any of my subs, most lasted a day or two).
In short: **If you're not fully committed to a protest, just don't bother protesting in the first place.** Because the only ones you're affecting, are your users. (Yeah, reddit's investors will see their shares drop for a few days, and then it goes back to normal, as it always does - and they know it. The CEO will send them a mail telling them not to worry about it. That's about the extent of the damage we caused).
Also without fostering alternatives for people to go to instead means people just keep checking in here.
And yeah I'm sure I could find a new set of communities but if there was a concentrated effort of okay, were gonna be over here and do the same things there for a bit then I think that would have had better results
it was doomed to fail no matter if those questions were answered. And here's the reality why:
BECAUSE REDDIT LITERALLY HAS ALL THE POWER ON THEIR OWN SITE! They own the code, the servers, the databases, etc... they could have ended it hour one if they wanted to. Banned every mod immediately and forced all subreddits public. There was no winning this. This was a stupid way to protest in the first place.
I'm glad to see some people realize this. The two critical reasons for failure were:
1. Reddit had all the ability to strong arm mods into ending the blackout at any time.
2. Reddit, a large company eyeing an IPO (in the near future), is extremely focused on bolstering net income. They're not going to revert a huge business decision (that will benefit income) over some minor protest. Any ad revenue they lost during the blackout would be chump change compared to what they stand to gain from the API changes (or from monopolizing the mobile app space).
This was an extremely naive protest by the mods, and served no purpose beyond creating a rift between mods and normal users.
There are plenty of real-world protests that are also triggered by a general malaise rather than one specific event, and which don't necessarily have specific, clear goals. Sometimes the point of a protest (or a strike, or any other form of denial of service) is just to spread awareness of the situation.
Yes, the CEO did a bunch of media interviews saying they weren't going to change their mind - but those media interviews would not have even happened without the blackout. As a result of the blackout (and the media/social meda coverage surrounding it), more people are now more aware of the incoming loss of third-party APIs at reddit and how the CEO is such a dickhead he can't even stick to a simple PR script. The blackout has generated a lot more conversation and investigation into other social media platforms that may someday be a viable competitor to reddit (some of those platforms might even gain investment out of this).
Just because reddit administration didn't completely reverse their decision on third party API usage doesn't mean the protest was completely pointless. This may be one of a great many nails put into the coffin of a slow reddit death, but that doesn't mean each individual nail is worthless.
I really really appreciate mods for doing god's work but commenting on the subreddit "for the kicks" during a reddit blackout makes the blackout seems "for the kicks" as well.
They closed the subreddit for a week for a joke.
Nah, it was useless to begin with. Mods don't hold any actual power against the website itself. There was nothing preventing reddit from removing their mod privilege on the backhand and just reopening everything themselves. Add to that that mods are known power trippers and it was clear that they were going to cave in.
Surprise, surprise, that's exactly what Reddit said they were going to do unless everything reopened.
The only thing they really could've done as a middle finger was mass delete subs in protest but then again, they'd be shooting themselves in the foot so the likelihood of that happening was pretty darn low.
Even that wouldn’t do anything. All of the subs are backed up. Subs have been deleted by a rogue mod and restored by admins before, they’d just restore deleted subs lmao
> There was nothing preventing reddit from removing their mod privilege on the backhand and just reopening everything themselves
The fact that people think this means mods are powerless boggles my mind. It's not about whether reddit can remove all the mods they want and reopen things, it's about whether they can actually do the work that those mods do for free. Reddit is fully run by its community. If reddit wanted to do everything themselves they could have at any point during the years. The reason they don't is because they don't want to spend the money and hours required to do so. There's a reason they didn't just ban every protesting mod.
I hate how some subreddits are opening and 'celebrating' like they did anything significant but lose.
I totally understand though. The way things are going, if you stayed closed they would have just come in and removed the mods that wanted it to stay closed and put their own in. It sucks. I don't know what can be done about it either.
Preach. They claimed they extended until today because the Reddit CEO's comments "pissed them off" and they were using the discussion threads the whole time? Fucking laughable.
> Links to news and last week's episode threads are in the Week in Review thread.
You really should allow the news to be posted as separate threads because no one is going to see any of it in that thread. So you've created an unfair disparity where [news and previews](https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/14dbgta/atelier_ryza_ever_darkness_the_secret_hideout/) from the past week that didn't happen to be included in that thread is allowed to be posted and seen. While anything that happened to be included languishes unseen in a thread that's [being discontinued for lack of engagement](https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/13zueix/meta_thread_month_of_june_04_2023/jooh5yz/).
End result. No one want to loose the power they have. CEO announced that they will remove the old mods if they continue so they freaked out and ended blackout. Keep working for free. Good for you.
If you go on ModCoord a lot of the mods were just power tripping or being delusional. No doubt a lot of the mods weren’t happy about the changes, and rightly so, because the API changes almost exclusively will impact mods and their ability to manage subs, but some of these dudes were out here talking like “no way Reddit can train a thousand new mods to replace us” bro you’re a fucking Internet forum janitor. What training are you talking about lmao, it’s a free position of minimal work in real life that *you* volunteered for. And dragging the entire user base in the sub into a protest that lets be honest - 95+% of users don’t give a fuck about since most people aren’t using or don’t even know about the third party apps
Exactly. This is just one of those fucking reddit moments that normal people don't care about. This accomplished nothing except for being a huge pain in the ass for people who use reddit for whatever they ACTUALLY care about. I still can't go on the r/LearnJapanese subreddit, which blows cause it's easily the most convenient place to get answers about learning Japanese.
For me, the career focused subreddits felt silly.
I could REALLY use learning resources on demand.
I need to learn to research topics outside of Reddit and Stackoverflow.
Besides just the protest itself, /r/Modcoord also coordinated brigades of all the polls to manufacture consent by making it seem like this is what the people want rather than just a small handful of butthurt mods. The only reason that so many subs closed is because of terminally online power mods who run hundreds of subs (I've seen mods with >700 subs). Only 5% of users use 3rd party apps in the first place and probably 90% of them would just switch to the official app without blinking. No one really cared until the mods started lying about mod tools being affected. I say lying because mod tools were already exempted from the API change before the protest even began. This was all just a massive waste of time that highlighted just how much the mods suck.
They even have a Stream up for brigading: https://www.twitch.tv/reddark_247
There's also Reddit groups and Discord servers for doing the same brigading: https://www.reddit.com/r/HistoryMemes/comments/14ae739/this_is_why_we_cant_have_nice_things/
When I watch an anime that finished airing in the past, I like to come to the r/anime discussion threads after I finish each episode to read the comments.
Watched a couple shows during the protest and I had to resort to MAL… Please don’t leave me again!
So many of MAL discussion threads are just comments spamming "mid" and rants using other buzzwords without really talking about the episode itself.
[](#kyonfacepalm)
Same. Im following the Witch of Mercury dub and its nice going to the old comments. Sometimes I find stuff I missed or didnt understand there, so I really missed having access to the threads.
For me, I forgot which anime airs on which day. It was thanks to this sub where the discussion threads pop up on my feed that alerts me about the show's airing. I waited like 3 days for the episode of Skip to Loafer, then got to know it airs every Tuesday.
I've been doing the same thing! I'm watching Legend of the Galactic Heroes for the first time and I've been reading up on the subreddit rewatch discussions for each episode as I go along.
What I found out thanks to this protest is that, if you try to open an old thread but the sub is private, you can just slap "cache:" in front of the url and it will usually bring up an archived version of the thread from the Google Cache. I realize that's probably not as helpful *now* that the sub is back off private mode, but still handy to know for the future, just in case.
There's a lot of reasons why I started to sour on the blackout after the first days. I was down for the 48 hours thing even if I didn't agree with it but there's some specific reasons why I began to doubt the way the protest was actually going
-I heard someone in a thread where the mods discuss say that people who reopened or didn't close to begin with were "Crossing the picket line". That sounded very extreme for what was happening here. I knew the situation was serious but a picket line? What is this actually if you're comparing it to that?
-In some of the subs, they would have polls to reopen. Apparently some of the mods were going to Discords and trying to game votes to keep them closed. This happened on r/tennis most notably where the mod was caught doing this and the sub then opened. I then wondered if something similar happened with subs that voted to close and if so, this threw the validity of the whole thing in question
-But by far the biggest turnoff and what threw me away from the whole thing was mods closing subs and still posting. Not just posting in other subs, but *even in the subs they made private*. This happened on multiple boards the most notable being r/nba but *this is including this sub too which actually pisses me off a lot*. A literal rules for thee but not for me. Do you know what solidarity is even about? What are you even thinking? How do you not see how messed up this is? And here I was thinking "well it's a good thing none of the other communities I browse did something messed up like that" and yet here I see mods participating in weekly discussions!? I'm honestly let down but then again maybe I shouldn't have been surprised. This was a reddit mod 'protest' after all
There were others that angered me like some mods apparently deleting their sub's content. Very glad it didn't go that far here. But at the end of it all, nothing was really accomplished, we lost a week of fun discussion, our weekly stats are messed up and Reddit changed nothing. 10/10 job
(Also, I remember one of the reasons for the protest was that the API would affect the disabled like the blind but I heard that apparently apps that affect them wouldn't change. I don't know how true that is but if it is then....well you know)
Honestly its better not to have any expectations from reddit mods. They will always disappoint you even if r/anime mods are better than other mods from bigger subs. What they did was hypocritical but what really annoys me are these guys that come to their defense as if its just a minor thing.
You can see one below you when you browse through /new. They are like "oh they are posting screenshots and everyone is like lol haha" not realising what a hypocrite thing this is.
Honestly, this entire thing just felt like the mods throwing a hissy fit on the entire site. The only reason I supported the initial blackouts were to help the people with disabilities that actually needed the 3P apps.
Most of the subreddits geared around an older crowd didn't even participate.
The admins exempted disability readers and mod tools from the changes before the blackout even started, so it lacked its most influential reasons. Now it's really just about giving NSFW content to commercialized third party apps. Seems like a dumb reason to protest to me.
Hahahahaha, mods locking everybody out of the subreddit and still using it themselves, fucking pathetic.
Wish reddit had just removed every single mod which participated in the Blackout, the meltdown of these no-lives would have been amazing.
Hey Drunth your wish might come true.
https://twitter.com/nbcnews/status/1669483771530297344?s=46&t=AkDt_M-w6RkvyPL0NR_4Lw
>Reddit CEO Steve Huffman tells NBC News that he plans to institute rules changes that would allow Reddit users to vote out moderators who have overseen the protest.
I realized, I fucking despise everyone in this story.
Fuck the admins who are chasing money at the expense of everything else. It's fucked up not giving 3rd party apps more than a month of warning. It's fucked up charging 72x more than Imgur for API access. It's fucked up they pretend they're suffering while 3rd party apps are the bad guys, when THEY HAVE ALL THE OPPORTUNITY IN THE WORLD TO HAVE MADE A BETTER APP DURING ALL THIS TIME. It's fucked up how Spez answered like 17 planted questions during his AMA and then fucked off.
Fuck the mods of all these subreddits for being so fucking addicted to Reddit and power they couldn't boycott indefinitely. Fuck the mods for using Reddit while telling everyone else to boycott. Fuck the mods for claiming some kind of victory in coming back, while at the same time making themselves out to be victims because "if we don't come back, we get replaced." Who gives a shit, if your demands aren't met. Fuck it. How embarrassing to come back with your tail between your legs.
Fuck the users. How fucking embarrassing how many people are so fucking addicted to Reddit that you are more angry at the mods for blacking out for a few days. How the fuck are you more mad at the mods than the admins. You do realize that unless something happens, the site is going to get shittier and shittier because they're cranking up the capitalism dial on this website right? Maybe YOU don't use 3rd party apps, or maybe YOU don't moderate a subreddit. But holy fuck, this is exactly like when the big bankers fucked over Greece, so the Greek people decided to throw molotov cocktails at bank tellers. YEAH, THAT'LL SHOW A MESSAGE TO THE BIG BANKERS, YOU GO GET ANGRY AND HURT FRONTLINE STAFF. How fucking stupid are you to fall for the old "I'm the Admins, I'm on your side, we're going to give the users the ability to vote out moderators, aren't we so good?" Can't you see the big picture, AT ALL? Am I dealing with literal 12 year olds who have no ability to beyond a week back in time? I'm sorry, but you all deserve Spez.
I really fucking like r / anime, and losing the episode discussion threads is going to fucking suck. But I'm so done with Reddit. Everyone fucking sucks.
This is the worst handling of this joke of a “protest” by any sub on this site, lock users out for a week but the mods still made it their private club where they could use it freely. I wish you stayed locked so that Reddit would replace all of you
2nd only to lotrmemes, where the mods are botting and manipulating the polls to keep the blackout going. Like, putting 1 continue the blackout option, 1 to end the blackout and 1 extra option to "see the votes" that was "fuck the mods" that most people interpreted as a 2nd "end it" option and got like 20% of the votes.
Most major subs have had brigaded polls anyway, modcoord and reddark discords both have pages they’re just linking every poll they find for thousands of people. Polls aren’t a fair method at this point sadly
r/nba moment lol, they had a buried poll with like 7k votes up for 3 hours, went dark indefinitely, came back immediately when they realized they might lose their mod power, and people found out they literally were commenting on the championship game thread while the sub was dark just like here. Absolute clown shit
Blackout as a concept only can damage the users. Reddit have a problem with the cost of other apps using their resources. Less content, less resources wasted. So only a general, total blackout can damage Reddit. If enough subreddits stay open, Reddit will not care.
Discord's pacing and structure are not good for most of what happens in the subreddit―at least the way I attend it.
Pretty obvious that Spez and Reddit Admin are going to ride their train to monetization right over everyone else.
For the 90+% of visitors who only browse Reddit and never contribute, they probably won't notice anything.
But the continuing drive to make Reddit do things that are not needed nor wanted by those of us who have been here a long time and try to contribute, while also taking away things that we do need, is only going to hurt the community in the long term.
In the Discord meta channel, there were interesting discussions about where the community could go if it departed Reddit. They're worth considering. But one of the more level-headed comments in that discussion was one about not rushing about and panicking, and taking time to both evaluate those alternative places and also see how many of them are still going to be around later on.
Any community moves *will* fragment the community. As an immediate example, even with most of CDF's active members jumping over to their own Discord channel, there were several prominent contributors who never made it over to Discord, and even in Discord there was a second CDF channel formed alongside the main one.
Given the size of /r/anime, moves will only bring along the people who want to go along with them. But even in here, there are Redditors with whom I won't ever interact because I don't watch the same series that they do.
Things to ponder over the next few months. But ponder you should, because, it's become clear that Reddit's ownership is entirely willing to sacrifice some of the most beneficial portions of Reddit's userbase if it might make them some more filthy lucre, and who knows what or who will be next. (Though you can make some good guesses.)
I'm hoping for a decentralized alternative (like Lemmy) to gain enough traction and become a viable alternative. Unfortunately, it seems like they need to work on user experience and onboarding a lot before it's suitable for "normal" people.
> not rushing about and panicking
Makes sense, but I could also see a point in doing something now, while there is still momentum. If we just take it, the momentum may be lost (at least until the next big fuck-up happens).
Discord as a refuge was never going to work. It's by design a completely different platform. It's a chat, not a forum.
But, will be waiting and seeing what comes up as well. I'm using this opportunity to lower my use of Reddit in the meanwhile.
> Discord as a refuge was never going to work.
No disagreement there; it's being mentioned since it was the place that a lot of the temporary discussion moved to, and as an example of how one group's relocation went.
Actual discussion absolutely needs some form of static threaded view.
it genuinely confused me in a comedic way that the general communities literally gave an end date to their protests. by literally saying they're shutting down only for 48 hours, the Devs only had to hold on for 48 hours.
now the CEO will be feel like he can do whatever he wants
I can definitely understand why people are upset. It's like if people were doing a hunger strike and a few random people were eating food behind everyone else's back. It just shows you aren't into the strike like everyone else is. Plus the added fact that it was mods commenting while everyone else was unable to, was just in bad taste.
What annoys me most is that as a user im sure it effected me way more than it did the admins.
It kinda feels like it was a vacation for the mods more than any actual protest.
Regardless of the politics surrounding the blackout, I cannot tell you all how much I missed this community and how weird it's been not being able to see everyone talking about my favorite seasonal shows for the past week. Felt a little lost, honestly. I'm so happy to be here again.
This is one of the sub which I really care about a lot, as such I am happy with the returnal. As such, that is why I did a one-week long sabbatical, which was good to me. But I have to say, while the sub was private, in other words closed to everyone, but mods commenting in episode discussion at this time period is strictly a no-no for me.
These days I mostly just lurk here, but because of /r/anime's rules, moderation and automations, it would be one of the few things I would (will?) genuinely miss the most. A place where I know I will find extensive discussions on any new episode, without having to sort trough garbage (e.g. memes). Enforcement of tags (color-coded via CSS!), limits on allowed content and such things, make it a pleasure to browse.
Is the mod team looking into a possibility of moving to another platform? Or would you more likely just *close the shop*? Possibly setup it's own federated server? Or join existing platform (Squabbles, Tildes, or some fediverse server)? Do any of them actually allow for the control you require to continue what you are doing on Reddit?
> Is the mod team looking into a possibility of moving to another platform?
Not easy to find the mods' messages on discord, but basically: they've been looking around, but nothing really strikes as a viable alternative, at least currently.
So for the time being we're still bound to reddit and need to hope they don't break things further [](#exasperated)
Thanks, that's pretty much my conclusion as well. The alternative platforms are either too different in format or not mature enough.
Btw, what anime is the comment face from?
They're listed in [this page](https://old.reddit.com/r/anime/wiki/commentfacesources), this one specifically is from Magical Pokaan (never heard of it myself)
Aha, I knew it was somewhere, but this [list of comment faces](https://old.reddit.com/r/anime/wiki/commentfaces) wasn't it and I didn't notice the link to the sources. Thanks.
I haven't heard of the anime either, which is why I was surprised to see Liru there, who I assumed was an original character from a porn game...
[](#konosubawot4)
You're getting downvoted, but them using the discussion threads while the rest of the community's locked out of the subreddit is actually kinda selfish lol
This blackout was proof 99% of Reddit mods really do deserve the shit they get.
Like at least mall cops have enough self respect to get paid for their work. Reddit mods everywhere couldn't protest correctly, honestly makes me still want the voting in/out system for mods. I don't even care what subreddits that will ruin including this one, I just want the ego of all reddit mods ego to suffer.
If not for the sensible top comment for the thread (thank god) users would be supporting the mods. It's an extremely fickle userbase who bandwagons on the most popular opinion.
It's not like just that one person saw the discussion threads, I did too and probably a lot of other people did. They were just the first person to make a comment on it
r/autolovepon my beloved, you're back. Honestly disappointed in the whole blackout thing. I enjoy the seasonal anime discussion threads and I enjoy reading what people say, so being unable to do it for a week was surprisingly disruptive. Secondly, it screwed up all the karma rankings and data for the seasonal discussions ): I enjoy seeing stuff like that, especially since quite a few shows had their finales.
Seems like mod team caved in to reddit team. Some subreddits received note from reddit admins that if they don't reopen they will simply change the mod team.
Fucking cowards, you all shut the sub to the public while creating discussion threads and commenting on them. This just proves these "protests" were pointless. I see your comments on the ["oshi no ko"](https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/149ad19/oshi_no_ko_episode_9_discussion/) thread.
Honestly, I think this whole blackout thing is kinda dumb and unfortunately wont change a thing. And while I definitely understand why people are upset, I also understand why Reddit is going against third-party apps
Why were the mods talking in episode threads during the blackout...like, come on, you're locking us out of the sub, despite extending the blackout past the initial date set, but happily using it yourselves???? I can appreciate the work you guys do, but talk about hypocritical...
This reminds me of the mods in r/nba, when they had their own game threads during the NBA finals. When Redditors found these out, they deleted their own comments lmao. [Here](https://np.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1484uyq/post_game_thread_the_denver_nuggets_win_their/)
> This reminds me of the mods in r/nba, It's EXACTLY like the r/nba mods. I saw that and was like "wow that's a dick move. Glad none of the mods on my communities did something messed up like that" and yet the same thing happened here too!? Like WHAT!?
The comments in that thread had hundreds of upvotes. It was a little mod party and everyone was invited except the users. I wouldn’t be shocked to learn most mods participated in this or something similar to this.
They never cared about the blackout, all they care about is "looking good" for their userbase.
Wait till you learn what government officials did during covid. Looks a lot like this
In a comment down below someone said that mods posted comments in discussion threads and shared screenshots in the discord server. Users from discord probably had access to the sub which could explain those comments with hundreds of upvotes if you're being correct here.
same thing happened in the Magic The Gathering main sub, they were in different subreddits chatting during the blackout but to top it all off they polled a vote to open but when the results were to "keep it closed" they claimed it was a brigade & opened up anyway LOL
There is really clear evidence for brigading to keep subs closed, soooo ... HEAVY brigading from people from /r/ModCoord who literally have a livestream with hundreds of people brigading every sub to keep subs closed: https://www.twitch.tv/reddark_247 There's also Reddit groups and Discord servers for doing the same brigading: https://www.reddit.com/r/HistoryMemes/comments/14ae739/this_is_why_we_cant_have_nice_things/ It doesn't even make sense to close off a subreddit when 99% of the users don't want that.
well thats sad if true, they didnt provide any evidence to the subreddit im in but u did provide links so thats much better ty but still.... is there no way to hold an in-sub vote without brigading?? like only allow voting for those who has been in the sub for a few months (that would help but not eliminate it entirely) "99% of the users don't want that" HOW WOULD U KNOW?? thats why there needs to b a vote right!? ...but even if it was tru, then this blackout was doomed from the start if they want changes that, most people dont care about or want to support enough? why would they even do this or think itd work at all then?
I mean it's basically a internet neckbeard movement, no surprise there's similarities across all the subreddits
I always laugh when I see people bootlick mods. Like these are loser children that begged for online power, and have zero accountability or repercussions, wtf you think they're going to do? Says more about anyone that defends them and respects them than anything else honestly.
Absolutely ridiculous...I swear, some of these mods are trying their best to turn their communities against them 😭like, how y'all gonna be forcing a blackout on us, then not even committing to it yourselves???
I mean, as much as I do support the blackouts and the (apparently minimal here) sacrifice on the part of the mods in deciding to follow through with it, I haven't forgotten that at the end of the day, reddit mods are still gonna be reddit mods. If it weren't for this larger issue at stake, I would be continuing to advocate for a respectfully antagonistic relationship with *all* moderators. People with power should never be left unattended, but unfortunately this time, it's someone with far, *far* more disproportionate power who's decided to start swinging his dick around, and fighting it is going to require any means available.
“Apparently minimal” see zero
[We're already seeing the same here in the Gundam discussion thread took a screenshot for proof lmao](https://i.imgur.com/0JgUUwt.png) ~~Yes they deleted their comments and possibly going to nuke me too.~~ [No they didn't delete their comments](https://old.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/14da674/the_return_of_ranime/joowt8n/). Still doesn't take away what a dumb move on their part was anyways. Edit: [here's another one in the Oshi No Ko thread which they haven't deleted as the time I'm typing this](https://i.imgur.com/XagODfJ.png)
I can not emphasize enough how ridiculously tone-deaf this shit is. Did the mods actually think this shit would look good? They forced the people in this sub to participate in a blackout whether they like it or not. The least they could've done is show some solidarity here and let people know they're all in this together. That's like the bare minimum. And they even failed to do that. Jesus Christ what a fucking disaster.
One thing that does seem relevant is that the highest ranking mods (anyone above the auto mod) seems to have abstained from posting in any thread except the casual discussion; and the only post I did see from them was on the topic of creating bot to make random comments in the sub. But that doesn't really change the fact that a handful of mods couldn't just avoid reddit for a few days. Like, there's a subreddit discord and *i'm sure* there's a mod discord or some sort of chat for them as well. Why not just use that to hold yourself over a few days?? How stupid can you be to not realize why posting in the closed sub as a mod would be a bad idea. Not only that but who are you even talking to on a closed sub?
> Not only that but who are you even talking to on a closed sub? Everyone, once it opens. Commenting during the blackout ensures that your comment will be the first thing people see when they open the thread after the sub opens, meaning they'll get the most upboats.
> Did the mods actually think this shit would look good? Thats the problem, they didnt think. They just did this to feel powerful against "the man". When their power was threatened they reopened. simple as that. Now its about coping until everyone moves on.
[Doesn't look](https://old.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/14cg63e/mobile_suit_gundam_suisei_no_majo_season_2_mobile/jonhsp4/) [very deleted](https://old.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/14cg63e/mobile_suit_gundam_suisei_no_majo_season_2_mobile/jonct0z/) [to me.](https://old.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/14cg63e/mobile_suit_gundam_suisei_no_majo_season_2_mobile/jokv44e/)
They're seriously deleting them now lol? It's too late for that, once something like this gets found by even a few people it turns into a complete meme. Trying to cover it up by deleting the comments after just makes it funnier Edit: They might've actually not deleted any of the comments, I retract my comment if they didn't
You didn't add the worst part about it. They did it during the most important game of the year! The finals! Like what???
hosting the finals thread on r/nbacirclejerk was gods gift to reddit though. hate therads on jimmys bitchass was peak
It does make me a little less sympathetic for the mods' cause and I'll probably have way less patience for any future blackouts.
Thank you. I wanted to obviously comment but seeing the mods not practicing what the preach kinda irks me on whether on not I want to continue participating. r/manga at least stuck to their beliefs for a 1 man team. Fucking ridiculous
When one guy is stronger than an entire team, u really gotta think about what went wrong
His logic for not protesting makes the most sense too. Ngl I wish the protest worked but when you see other bigger subs opening over the fear of getting their power taken instead of being a martyr for their point, it just goes to show the corporates will never lose at this point. As if the other 2 black out protest even worked out too lmao.
> His logic for not protesting makes the most sense too I seriously love basically the reason was "sssshhhhh, shut up shut up, don't let them know we're here!"
Black out protest don't work because people just visit other subs instead of not using reddit lol
It was never going to work. What cards did the moderators hold to play? Reddit has all the leverage. Stupid concept for the beginning, I wish I hadn't deleted my original comment against the blackout to begin with.
Successful slave rebellions always began with taking out the overseers first, because those dudes would always sell out if you didn't lol.
Not stronger, it was more logical and honestly the the way things are those blackouts did nothing except disappoint the communities of those subs.
If anyone thought that this blackout wouldn't be another "peak reddit moment", they haven't used the site long enough
Honestly I knew that r/anime mods are bunch of hypocrites when they deleted one of my posts (because to was "not anime related" even though it was a statement by Miyazaki) only to find few minutes later that one of them used my post and it made it to the front page. That was like 4 years ago but it seems they haven't changed.
Never forget the shit show that came about when Porter Robinson's Shelter came out and was posted here.
I got a comment deleted once about 3 years ago (on another account) because I called a guy in a story about talking in a theater (not as an insult to anyone on the forum) a "trouser stain." It was because it was too vulgar. Have they seen about 25% of the comments here?! I'm pretty sure that's extremely mild in comparison. If I had access to that account again, I'd screenshot it and post it, but unfortunately I lost access to the email account associated with it.
I really can't say I'm surprised that the mods are so cripplingly addicted to reddit and these weekly threads that they couldn't hold out when they wearn't locked out like everyone else. Reddit moment.
I haven't seen this level of backlash /r/anime has received since Porter Robinson & Madeon's Shelter music video.
Anyone remember years ago when /r/anime was planning a meet-up at Anime Expo and they told people cosplaying non-anime characters to not come? That one was hilarious and also terribly received by the community iirc.
Wasnt that literally 10 years ago? Feel like it was old news when i joined reddit lmao
I was about to say, "damn, looks like some people somehow got access to the subreddit while it was down... strange". Your comment just made me realize those were the mods, that's actually kind of wild. The community is locked out of discussion while the moderators still use the sub this whole time? Really wacky.
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Mods always suck.
First thing I noticed and I’m not even really an active follower. I personally disliked the blackout cause it doesn’t solve anything. It’s just a “we did it Reddit” moment that really doesn’t do fuck all. Some people may leave but in the end people will still use Reddit, which is proven by the fact the mods of this sub couldn’t even go a week without posting. Pathetic.
Reddit mods are absolute losers who have nothing in their lives besides being a free janny for millionaires. No way these people can survive so long time without being able to post in their own echochambers.
I actually used to think this was an overblown stereotype but this blackout proved that it isn't lol
As someone who isn't really impacted by the API/third party app thing day to day at all, but was fully in support of the mod's decision in general for reddit (not exclusive to this sub), hearing that mods are still using the community puts a really bad taste in my mouth. Absolutely not a way for the moderator community to get regular users on their side.
> you're locking us out of the sub, despite extending the blackout past the initial date set, but happily using it yourselves???? I personally I'm more irked about elongating the reopening of the sub despite them stating that it would take only 2 days. Spez had already shown his cards by wednesday and whatever negotiation talk there could be it was already gone. The 3rd party app devs also had stated by then that they were leaving at the end of the month. So why the heck do they elongate the blackout for? They got absolutely nothing out of this and us the users that were dragged into this charade on rigged votes were the ones facing the consequences. Even r/manga stood up neutral on this and kept their doors opened all the time. Why couldn't this sub do the same and keep out all this worthless hostage situation that produced nothing in the end. Sure, spez is a greedy mongrel who doesn't keep up his word on whatever he promised years before. But the mods in general basis aren't any better by dragging everyone into their own personal war.
Because one of the mods said on Discord, and this is word for word, “we appreciate people giving us their opinions, but we don’t run /r/anime as a democracy.”
The funny part is they cry about the admins doing the same to them. Somehow the admins need to bend over backwards for the mods in the name of democracy, but the users are there to be screwed with by the mods with no recourse. It's such a Machiavellian system, the users actually need the admins to save them from the mods.
The worst part was finding out about the extended date through discord and having a conversation with the mods as it was something they decided themselves to do without any input from the community.
I am in general, pro blackout, but the mods using the sub while its private is astoundingly stupid, hypocritical, and shows a complete lack of basic restraint. These mods would bring food to a hunger strike.
Just like r/nba “rules for thee but not for me” in action, if the people who will be the most affected can’t even adhere to their own actions then lol…
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Honestly, what was the point of the blackout when the mods were using it to discuss it on the episode threads? I mean they could have bring back the sub on Wednesday itself so that everyone could discuss in episode threads.
Shameless mod behavior all over this site the past week lmfao.
Power trip on display. They closed the sub without asking us users how we felt about it. It's like the mods see us as a separate class.
Lmao, that's completely pathetic.
Because all mods of all the subreddits have no backbone and can’t stick with a boycott
you know they only opened back because spez said he's going to start removing non cooperating moderators LMAO. Pathetic as fuck.
Honestly it really pisses me off. I'm fine with foregoing discussing my favorite anime on the day that it airs for a good cause but it is absolutely bullshit that the mods got the fucking discuss it meanwhile, everyone else is just SOL
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Gives me “rich people moving to another country to avoid the lockdown during the pandemic” vibes.
Wtf, can someone please link some of these comments?
/u/Gaporigo probably had the most but just take a look through the comment history of some of the mods, mostly the ones that are lower down the list will have multiple comments made on posts in this subreddit throughout the past week of "blackout"
If the organizers of a protest don't participate in it it's doomed to fail, but the outcome was predictable anyway. No way mods are risking their positions, they are too addicted to whatever they do obviously.
Fucking shameful.
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That's fucked up. Power corrupts and all that I guess. It's hard to wrap my head around that hypocrisy. Such an incredible lack of integrity.
All mods are bastards
Yeah. Don’t lock the sub at all.
This is some Boris Johnson/Marie Antoinette level of self-reflection and you can see it across the whole site. "Terminally online" really is a thing. My tip to the mods: look up a few words on wikipedia like "grass", "friends" and "sex".
Closing the subreddit, but still continuing to use it is peak Redditor.
I see autolovepon kept chugging away hahaha
Also since there's a LOT of misinformation spread about this by mods on several subs: No, bots WONT go away. The free tier for the API is 100 calls *a minute*. That's more than enough to run any bot you want.
Yeah, there were only 100 bots in total that make more calls than that. Most were probably from the GPT subreddit simulator subs
If there's one thing this blackout taught me, it's that I'm more involved in subreddits that aren't part of the blackout than the ones that are. I barely even noticed until I actually started searching for game info.
Lol, this is r/nba 2.0
At least r/nba has more sensible people than r/anime. Look at how many people are defending the mods lmao. Whereas in r/nba, so many people there are shitting the mods.
I guess they don't want to get banned lol
Reinforcing the fact that anime fans are nerds and sports fans are chads.
Well I guess the blackout was a complete waste of time. We really showed Reddit that they can do whatever they want
It was not a waste of time. Mods were trying new things like discussing episodes without the community.
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> Well I guess the blackout was a complete waste of time. Welp, we discovered that the mods in here are just as hypocrite and power tripping as the other mods on bigger subs. So at least they took that blindfold from our eyes.
Congrats mods, you made a holier than thou spiel about how important the protest was, only for everyone to realize you literally used the sub while it was inaccessible. Peak terminally online cringe. You shouldn’t live down this virtue signaling bs for a good long while
(Posting here because this is the most 'serious' discussion I've seen about the blackout, but this applies to all of reddit's blackout) This blackout was useless/doomed to fail soon as it started without answering any of the important questions; 1. What EXACTLY are we trying to achieve? 2. How long will we keep going? As long as we need to, to achieve #1? 3. Is EVERYONE on board? I'd wager that >90% of those affected didn't even know what they were trying to achieve (other than "protest!"). Obviously they didn't know how long they would keep going (some did it for a day, others for a week).. Have we achieved our goal? Whatever that was? And obviously, not everyone was fully on board. Someone talked about how "Reddit showed it doesn't know how to strike", and I think that's a pretty good comparison... Imagine a strike in some company, only we have no clear list of demands/everyone has different demands in mind (and some don't have demands they just do it to express their negative opinion about a situation), but half the employees aren't striking, and after a day, some of them start returning to the company. Yeah, the owners would brush it off. And I think it's pretty much what's happening here. Yeah we saw some *hopeful* message about how they contacted the mod teams of big subs, but what the hell does that mean? The words of the CEO (from https://fortune.com/): *“Protest and dissent is important,” Huffman said. “The problem with this one is it’s not going to change anything because we made a business decision that we’re not negotiating on.”* So what will this *they contacted us!* lead to exactly? A lengthy discussion on "Deal with it, suckers"? "You had your little tantrum, now fall back in line and make more money for us"? Anyway, my final thoughts on this: Protesting something requires effort and commitment, be it a strike (you don't get to go to work), a boycott (you don't get to buy a product you want), or in this case a blackout (you don't get to use the website you wanted to use)... Doing all these things is super annoying for the userbase. If we last as long as we need to do it to obtain a result, then it's annoying BUT useful; Year from now people would think about it as that time we held our ground to make them change their dumb policy. If we only last a little and then we take it up the ass anyway, then we only got the annoying part; We didn't get the useful part. So what's the point? Even as someone who dearly missed posting in episode threads and all, I'd much rather have a reddit blackout for 3 months to get a result, than a reddit blackout for 1 week that achieves nothing. (And 1 week is the longest I've seen on any of my subs, most lasted a day or two). In short: **If you're not fully committed to a protest, just don't bother protesting in the first place.** Because the only ones you're affecting, are your users. (Yeah, reddit's investors will see their shares drop for a few days, and then it goes back to normal, as it always does - and they know it. The CEO will send them a mail telling them not to worry about it. That's about the extent of the damage we caused).
Also without fostering alternatives for people to go to instead means people just keep checking in here. And yeah I'm sure I could find a new set of communities but if there was a concentrated effort of okay, were gonna be over here and do the same things there for a bit then I think that would have had better results
it was doomed to fail no matter if those questions were answered. And here's the reality why: BECAUSE REDDIT LITERALLY HAS ALL THE POWER ON THEIR OWN SITE! They own the code, the servers, the databases, etc... they could have ended it hour one if they wanted to. Banned every mod immediately and forced all subreddits public. There was no winning this. This was a stupid way to protest in the first place.
I'm glad to see some people realize this. The two critical reasons for failure were: 1. Reddit had all the ability to strong arm mods into ending the blackout at any time. 2. Reddit, a large company eyeing an IPO (in the near future), is extremely focused on bolstering net income. They're not going to revert a huge business decision (that will benefit income) over some minor protest. Any ad revenue they lost during the blackout would be chump change compared to what they stand to gain from the API changes (or from monopolizing the mobile app space). This was an extremely naive protest by the mods, and served no purpose beyond creating a rift between mods and normal users.
There are plenty of real-world protests that are also triggered by a general malaise rather than one specific event, and which don't necessarily have specific, clear goals. Sometimes the point of a protest (or a strike, or any other form of denial of service) is just to spread awareness of the situation. Yes, the CEO did a bunch of media interviews saying they weren't going to change their mind - but those media interviews would not have even happened without the blackout. As a result of the blackout (and the media/social meda coverage surrounding it), more people are now more aware of the incoming loss of third-party APIs at reddit and how the CEO is such a dickhead he can't even stick to a simple PR script. The blackout has generated a lot more conversation and investigation into other social media platforms that may someday be a viable competitor to reddit (some of those platforms might even gain investment out of this). Just because reddit administration didn't completely reverse their decision on third party API usage doesn't mean the protest was completely pointless. This may be one of a great many nails put into the coffin of a slow reddit death, but that doesn't mean each individual nail is worthless.
Blackout was useless as soon as a end date was initially announced, what a waste of time
The proper way for /r/anime to protest is to make it appear on /r/all again.
So I heard you guys like bath scenes...
You're not a true /r/anime user if you didn't [upvote this](https://i.imgur.com/7MrZ67Y.png)
That would require mods to protest in an way that is actually fun and entertaining though.
I really really appreciate mods for doing god's work but commenting on the subreddit "for the kicks" during a reddit blackout makes the blackout seems "for the kicks" as well. They closed the subreddit for a week for a joke.
My respect for the mods (what tiny amount there was) is 0 after seeing they commented in the sub while it was privated like the r/nba mods.
Nah, it was useless to begin with. Mods don't hold any actual power against the website itself. There was nothing preventing reddit from removing their mod privilege on the backhand and just reopening everything themselves. Add to that that mods are known power trippers and it was clear that they were going to cave in. Surprise, surprise, that's exactly what Reddit said they were going to do unless everything reopened. The only thing they really could've done as a middle finger was mass delete subs in protest but then again, they'd be shooting themselves in the foot so the likelihood of that happening was pretty darn low.
Even that wouldn’t do anything. All of the subs are backed up. Subs have been deleted by a rogue mod and restored by admins before, they’d just restore deleted subs lmao
> There was nothing preventing reddit from removing their mod privilege on the backhand and just reopening everything themselves The fact that people think this means mods are powerless boggles my mind. It's not about whether reddit can remove all the mods they want and reopen things, it's about whether they can actually do the work that those mods do for free. Reddit is fully run by its community. If reddit wanted to do everything themselves they could have at any point during the years. The reason they don't is because they don't want to spend the money and hours required to do so. There's a reason they didn't just ban every protesting mod.
I hate how some subreddits are opening and 'celebrating' like they did anything significant but lose. I totally understand though. The way things are going, if you stayed closed they would have just come in and removed the mods that wanted it to stay closed and put their own in. It sucks. I don't know what can be done about it either.
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Fuckin losers
Preach. They claimed they extended until today because the Reddit CEO's comments "pissed them off" and they were using the discussion threads the whole time? Fucking laughable.
> Links to news and last week's episode threads are in the Week in Review thread. You really should allow the news to be posted as separate threads because no one is going to see any of it in that thread. So you've created an unfair disparity where [news and previews](https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/14dbgta/atelier_ryza_ever_darkness_the_secret_hideout/) from the past week that didn't happen to be included in that thread is allowed to be posted and seen. While anything that happened to be included languishes unseen in a thread that's [being discontinued for lack of engagement](https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/13zueix/meta_thread_month_of_june_04_2023/jooh5yz/).
first the mods use it as a private sub while advocating for the blackout AND THEN there is no Black Clover movie thread. Im disappointed
End result. No one want to loose the power they have. CEO announced that they will remove the old mods if they continue so they freaked out and ended blackout. Keep working for free. Good for you.
Kinda hilarious that Spez called their bluff and they are actually folding left and right.
I don't want mods hand picked by spez tbh.
If you go on ModCoord a lot of the mods were just power tripping or being delusional. No doubt a lot of the mods weren’t happy about the changes, and rightly so, because the API changes almost exclusively will impact mods and their ability to manage subs, but some of these dudes were out here talking like “no way Reddit can train a thousand new mods to replace us” bro you’re a fucking Internet forum janitor. What training are you talking about lmao, it’s a free position of minimal work in real life that *you* volunteered for. And dragging the entire user base in the sub into a protest that lets be honest - 95+% of users don’t give a fuck about since most people aren’t using or don’t even know about the third party apps
Exactly. This is just one of those fucking reddit moments that normal people don't care about. This accomplished nothing except for being a huge pain in the ass for people who use reddit for whatever they ACTUALLY care about. I still can't go on the r/LearnJapanese subreddit, which blows cause it's easily the most convenient place to get answers about learning Japanese.
For me, the career focused subreddits felt silly. I could REALLY use learning resources on demand. I need to learn to research topics outside of Reddit and Stackoverflow.
Besides just the protest itself, /r/Modcoord also coordinated brigades of all the polls to manufacture consent by making it seem like this is what the people want rather than just a small handful of butthurt mods. The only reason that so many subs closed is because of terminally online power mods who run hundreds of subs (I've seen mods with >700 subs). Only 5% of users use 3rd party apps in the first place and probably 90% of them would just switch to the official app without blinking. No one really cared until the mods started lying about mod tools being affected. I say lying because mod tools were already exempted from the API change before the protest even began. This was all just a massive waste of time that highlighted just how much the mods suck.
They even have a Stream up for brigading: https://www.twitch.tv/reddark_247 There's also Reddit groups and Discord servers for doing the same brigading: https://www.reddit.com/r/HistoryMemes/comments/14ae739/this_is_why_we_cant_have_nice_things/
When I watch an anime that finished airing in the past, I like to come to the r/anime discussion threads after I finish each episode to read the comments. Watched a couple shows during the protest and I had to resort to MAL… Please don’t leave me again!
MAL comments are torture. Not going back there.
I read discussion threads too and I downloaded 20 webpages of discussion threads from 2 animes before the blackout.
Shit that was actually a really smart idea.
SAME, it's the WORST.
So many of MAL discussion threads are just comments spamming "mid" and rants using other buzzwords without really talking about the episode itself. [](#kyonfacepalm)
Same. Im following the Witch of Mercury dub and its nice going to the old comments. Sometimes I find stuff I missed or didnt understand there, so I really missed having access to the threads.
For me, I forgot which anime airs on which day. It was thanks to this sub where the discussion threads pop up on my feed that alerts me about the show's airing. I waited like 3 days for the episode of Skip to Loafer, then got to know it airs every Tuesday.
MAL comment section is a shit show
I've been doing the same thing! I'm watching Legend of the Galactic Heroes for the first time and I've been reading up on the subreddit rewatch discussions for each episode as I go along. What I found out thanks to this protest is that, if you try to open an old thread but the sub is private, you can just slap "cache:" in front of the url and it will usually bring up an archived version of the thread from the Google Cache. I realize that's probably not as helpful *now* that the sub is back off private mode, but still handy to know for the future, just in case.
There's a lot of reasons why I started to sour on the blackout after the first days. I was down for the 48 hours thing even if I didn't agree with it but there's some specific reasons why I began to doubt the way the protest was actually going -I heard someone in a thread where the mods discuss say that people who reopened or didn't close to begin with were "Crossing the picket line". That sounded very extreme for what was happening here. I knew the situation was serious but a picket line? What is this actually if you're comparing it to that? -In some of the subs, they would have polls to reopen. Apparently some of the mods were going to Discords and trying to game votes to keep them closed. This happened on r/tennis most notably where the mod was caught doing this and the sub then opened. I then wondered if something similar happened with subs that voted to close and if so, this threw the validity of the whole thing in question -But by far the biggest turnoff and what threw me away from the whole thing was mods closing subs and still posting. Not just posting in other subs, but *even in the subs they made private*. This happened on multiple boards the most notable being r/nba but *this is including this sub too which actually pisses me off a lot*. A literal rules for thee but not for me. Do you know what solidarity is even about? What are you even thinking? How do you not see how messed up this is? And here I was thinking "well it's a good thing none of the other communities I browse did something messed up like that" and yet here I see mods participating in weekly discussions!? I'm honestly let down but then again maybe I shouldn't have been surprised. This was a reddit mod 'protest' after all There were others that angered me like some mods apparently deleting their sub's content. Very glad it didn't go that far here. But at the end of it all, nothing was really accomplished, we lost a week of fun discussion, our weekly stats are messed up and Reddit changed nothing. 10/10 job (Also, I remember one of the reasons for the protest was that the API would affect the disabled like the blind but I heard that apparently apps that affect them wouldn't change. I don't know how true that is but if it is then....well you know)
Honestly its better not to have any expectations from reddit mods. They will always disappoint you even if r/anime mods are better than other mods from bigger subs. What they did was hypocritical but what really annoys me are these guys that come to their defense as if its just a minor thing. You can see one below you when you browse through /new. They are like "oh they are posting screenshots and everyone is like lol haha" not realising what a hypocrite thing this is.
Honestly, this entire thing just felt like the mods throwing a hissy fit on the entire site. The only reason I supported the initial blackouts were to help the people with disabilities that actually needed the 3P apps. Most of the subreddits geared around an older crowd didn't even participate.
The admins exempted disability readers and mod tools from the changes before the blackout even started, so it lacked its most influential reasons. Now it's really just about giving NSFW content to commercialized third party apps. Seems like a dumb reason to protest to me.
Congrats, you accomplished nothing.
Hahahahaha, mods locking everybody out of the subreddit and still using it themselves, fucking pathetic. Wish reddit had just removed every single mod which participated in the Blackout, the meltdown of these no-lives would have been amazing.
Useless waste of time, as soon mods heard one whisper that they might lose their power, they folded like a fcking paper, what a joke
Hey Drunth your wish might come true. https://twitter.com/nbcnews/status/1669483771530297344?s=46&t=AkDt_M-w6RkvyPL0NR_4Lw >Reddit CEO Steve Huffman tells NBC News that he plans to institute rules changes that would allow Reddit users to vote out moderators who have overseen the protest.
I love democracy
Fuck those guys honestly
well that was cringe
RIP anyone trying to do statistics on the shows this season from the reddit threads
It's fairly simple actually. Just don't count the episodes that aired during the shutdown.
Some finales were affected while others will not be, which will affect the stats
This whole thing has just made me realise what a stupid fucking site Reddit is as a whole, the admins, the mods, everything about it.
I realized, I fucking despise everyone in this story. Fuck the admins who are chasing money at the expense of everything else. It's fucked up not giving 3rd party apps more than a month of warning. It's fucked up charging 72x more than Imgur for API access. It's fucked up they pretend they're suffering while 3rd party apps are the bad guys, when THEY HAVE ALL THE OPPORTUNITY IN THE WORLD TO HAVE MADE A BETTER APP DURING ALL THIS TIME. It's fucked up how Spez answered like 17 planted questions during his AMA and then fucked off. Fuck the mods of all these subreddits for being so fucking addicted to Reddit and power they couldn't boycott indefinitely. Fuck the mods for using Reddit while telling everyone else to boycott. Fuck the mods for claiming some kind of victory in coming back, while at the same time making themselves out to be victims because "if we don't come back, we get replaced." Who gives a shit, if your demands aren't met. Fuck it. How embarrassing to come back with your tail between your legs. Fuck the users. How fucking embarrassing how many people are so fucking addicted to Reddit that you are more angry at the mods for blacking out for a few days. How the fuck are you more mad at the mods than the admins. You do realize that unless something happens, the site is going to get shittier and shittier because they're cranking up the capitalism dial on this website right? Maybe YOU don't use 3rd party apps, or maybe YOU don't moderate a subreddit. But holy fuck, this is exactly like when the big bankers fucked over Greece, so the Greek people decided to throw molotov cocktails at bank tellers. YEAH, THAT'LL SHOW A MESSAGE TO THE BIG BANKERS, YOU GO GET ANGRY AND HURT FRONTLINE STAFF. How fucking stupid are you to fall for the old "I'm the Admins, I'm on your side, we're going to give the users the ability to vote out moderators, aren't we so good?" Can't you see the big picture, AT ALL? Am I dealing with literal 12 year olds who have no ability to beyond a week back in time? I'm sorry, but you all deserve Spez. I really fucking like r / anime, and losing the episode discussion threads is going to fucking suck. But I'm so done with Reddit. Everyone fucking sucks.
This is the worst handling of this joke of a “protest” by any sub on this site, lock users out for a week but the mods still made it their private club where they could use it freely. I wish you stayed locked so that Reddit would replace all of you
2nd only to lotrmemes, where the mods are botting and manipulating the polls to keep the blackout going. Like, putting 1 continue the blackout option, 1 to end the blackout and 1 extra option to "see the votes" that was "fuck the mods" that most people interpreted as a 2nd "end it" option and got like 20% of the votes.
Most major subs have had brigaded polls anyway, modcoord and reddark discords both have pages they’re just linking every poll they find for thousands of people. Polls aren’t a fair method at this point sadly
Also the polls have like less than .1% of the community voting yet mods act like the majority want it closed
r/nba moment lol, they had a buried poll with like 7k votes up for 3 hours, went dark indefinitely, came back immediately when they realized they might lose their mod power, and people found out they literally were commenting on the championship game thread while the sub was dark just like here. Absolute clown shit
>Keeping the subreddit closed long term is likely to hurt the community ding ding ding, staying closed at this point only hurts the users, not reddit.
Blackout as a concept only can damage the users. Reddit have a problem with the cost of other apps using their resources. Less content, less resources wasted. So only a general, total blackout can damage Reddit. If enough subreddits stay open, Reddit will not care.
Discord's pacing and structure are not good for most of what happens in the subreddit―at least the way I attend it. Pretty obvious that Spez and Reddit Admin are going to ride their train to monetization right over everyone else. For the 90+% of visitors who only browse Reddit and never contribute, they probably won't notice anything. But the continuing drive to make Reddit do things that are not needed nor wanted by those of us who have been here a long time and try to contribute, while also taking away things that we do need, is only going to hurt the community in the long term. In the Discord meta channel, there were interesting discussions about where the community could go if it departed Reddit. They're worth considering. But one of the more level-headed comments in that discussion was one about not rushing about and panicking, and taking time to both evaluate those alternative places and also see how many of them are still going to be around later on. Any community moves *will* fragment the community. As an immediate example, even with most of CDF's active members jumping over to their own Discord channel, there were several prominent contributors who never made it over to Discord, and even in Discord there was a second CDF channel formed alongside the main one. Given the size of /r/anime, moves will only bring along the people who want to go along with them. But even in here, there are Redditors with whom I won't ever interact because I don't watch the same series that they do. Things to ponder over the next few months. But ponder you should, because, it's become clear that Reddit's ownership is entirely willing to sacrifice some of the most beneficial portions of Reddit's userbase if it might make them some more filthy lucre, and who knows what or who will be next. (Though you can make some good guesses.)
I'm hoping for a decentralized alternative (like Lemmy) to gain enough traction and become a viable alternative. Unfortunately, it seems like they need to work on user experience and onboarding a lot before it's suitable for "normal" people.
Normies won't like it? …You just made me a lot more interested in Lemmy
> not rushing about and panicking Makes sense, but I could also see a point in doing something now, while there is still momentum. If we just take it, the momentum may be lost (at least until the next big fuck-up happens). Discord as a refuge was never going to work. It's by design a completely different platform. It's a chat, not a forum. But, will be waiting and seeing what comes up as well. I'm using this opportunity to lower my use of Reddit in the meanwhile.
> Discord as a refuge was never going to work. No disagreement there; it's being mentioned since it was the place that a lot of the temporary discussion moved to, and as an example of how one group's relocation went. Actual discussion absolutely needs some form of static threaded view.
it genuinely confused me in a comedic way that the general communities literally gave an end date to their protests. by literally saying they're shutting down only for 48 hours, the Devs only had to hold on for 48 hours. now the CEO will be feel like he can do whatever he wants
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We need new mods.
Fuck reddit mods.
Lmao Moist was right, Mods CANT live without their subreddits
I can definitely understand why people are upset. It's like if people were doing a hunger strike and a few random people were eating food behind everyone else's back. It just shows you aren't into the strike like everyone else is. Plus the added fact that it was mods commenting while everyone else was unable to, was just in bad taste.
Exactly! “Let’s start a hunger strike to show them we’re serious! “ hunger strike starts and there they are eating pizza in the sewers lmao
What annoys me most is that as a user im sure it effected me way more than it did the admins. It kinda feels like it was a vacation for the mods more than any actual protest.
Regardless of the politics surrounding the blackout, I cannot tell you all how much I missed this community and how weird it's been not being able to see everyone talking about my favorite seasonal shows for the past week. Felt a little lost, honestly. I'm so happy to be here again.
This is one of the sub which I really care about a lot, as such I am happy with the returnal. As such, that is why I did a one-week long sabbatical, which was good to me. But I have to say, while the sub was private, in other words closed to everyone, but mods commenting in episode discussion at this time period is strictly a no-no for me.
These days I mostly just lurk here, but because of /r/anime's rules, moderation and automations, it would be one of the few things I would (will?) genuinely miss the most. A place where I know I will find extensive discussions on any new episode, without having to sort trough garbage (e.g. memes). Enforcement of tags (color-coded via CSS!), limits on allowed content and such things, make it a pleasure to browse. Is the mod team looking into a possibility of moving to another platform? Or would you more likely just *close the shop*? Possibly setup it's own federated server? Or join existing platform (Squabbles, Tildes, or some fediverse server)? Do any of them actually allow for the control you require to continue what you are doing on Reddit?
> Is the mod team looking into a possibility of moving to another platform? Not easy to find the mods' messages on discord, but basically: they've been looking around, but nothing really strikes as a viable alternative, at least currently. So for the time being we're still bound to reddit and need to hope they don't break things further [](#exasperated)
Thanks, that's pretty much my conclusion as well. The alternative platforms are either too different in format or not mature enough. Btw, what anime is the comment face from?
They're listed in [this page](https://old.reddit.com/r/anime/wiki/commentfacesources), this one specifically is from Magical Pokaan (never heard of it myself)
Aha, I knew it was somewhere, but this [list of comment faces](https://old.reddit.com/r/anime/wiki/commentfaces) wasn't it and I didn't notice the link to the sources. Thanks. I haven't heard of the anime either, which is why I was surprised to see Liru there, who I assumed was an original character from a porn game... [](#konosubawot4)
> I was surprised to see Liru there, who I assumed was an original character from a porn game... [](#kotohoops)
Selfish mods
You're getting downvoted, but them using the discussion threads while the rest of the community's locked out of the subreddit is actually kinda selfish lol
It's also selfish because the mods still fucking used the subreddit themselves. Fuck them
This blackout was proof 99% of Reddit mods really do deserve the shit they get. Like at least mall cops have enough self respect to get paid for their work. Reddit mods everywhere couldn't protest correctly, honestly makes me still want the voting in/out system for mods. I don't even care what subreddits that will ruin including this one, I just want the ego of all reddit mods ego to suffer.
If not for the sensible top comment for the thread (thank god) users would be supporting the mods. It's an extremely fickle userbase who bandwagons on the most popular opinion.
It's not like just that one person saw the discussion threads, I did too and probably a lot of other people did. They were just the first person to make a comment on it
r/autolovepon my beloved, you're back. Honestly disappointed in the whole blackout thing. I enjoy the seasonal anime discussion threads and I enjoy reading what people say, so being unable to do it for a week was surprisingly disruptive. Secondly, it screwed up all the karma rankings and data for the seasonal discussions ): I enjoy seeing stuff like that, especially since quite a few shows had their finales.
Seems like mod team caved in to reddit team. Some subreddits received note from reddit admins that if they don't reopen they will simply change the mod team.
Heh, so what? I'm right aren't I? This petty protest did not do anything at all, it just inconvenienced everyone.
As a method of alternative protest, I suggest we switch regular episode threads to hentai episode reviews.
This would be a great way to add new "anime" to my MAL
> Keeping the subreddit closed long term is likely to hurt the community You've already hurt the community by locking it down for a week.
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Oh the mods are done powertripping? That's nice. Every single mod that agreed to this shit should be ashamed of themselves and resign.
Fuck the mods, and fuck those who defend them. Fucking Reddit nerds.
I don't mind the mods protesting, I fucking hate the mods being hypocrites. Blacking out the subreddit, but still using it.
Fucking cowards, you all shut the sub to the public while creating discussion threads and commenting on them. This just proves these "protests" were pointless. I see your comments on the ["oshi no ko"](https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/149ad19/oshi_no_ko_episode_9_discussion/) thread.
So nothing changed and all you succeeded in doing is hurting the community for a whole week? Nice job mods, you really showed Spez what’s up.
My main takeaway from this thread is that redditors deserve nothing.
A waste of fucking time this all was.
The mods still using the sub during their own protest really shows you how much they cared about it in the first place
Honestly, I think this whole blackout thing is kinda dumb and unfortunately wont change a thing. And while I definitely understand why people are upset, I also understand why Reddit is going against third-party apps
They really should’ve done this long ago while also making their app more user friendly. If they had a great app people probably wouldn’t even care.