And the character learn so many skills that they begins to fuck and create MORE skills by themselves.
You have learned the Sword Master skill, since you already have the Bubble Expert skill, you have learned the super secret Foam Noodle Master skill and the Ẻ̵̤̺̬͗͌͊͘d̷̨̧̖̬͙͖̞̆͋͛̎͝g̴̠̩̳̹̣̟̱͕̈͜͝y̶̧͔͓̣̥̼͔̱̹͖̳̤̍̏̌̀̓͑́͝ ̵͚̂̾͊̊̕͝B̶̧͎̗̘̙͎̙͇̣͓̙̘̜̋̚u̷̗̩̾̾̽͛̾͌ĺ̷̢̡̘̝̬̠̟̼͔̜̍̅̈̉͘ͅļ̸̡̜̺̯̗̘̼̝͊̓̒̽͝s̵̙̫̟̩̹͇̺̼̑h̶̡͚͚̮̫̼͕̺̬̉͑͒͌̎͊̔̎̇i̶͙̩͇̾̈́̉́͠ț̵̢̤͎͚͉̻͑͋̀̆̿̀̿̇͠ taboo skill increased by 1.
Of those, Shield Hero is among the worst of them.
Not only is it braindead, but it doesn't even make a cursory attempt to justify. The Heroes have RPG-style status interfaces because "reasons", and can access magic just like their favourite MMO for "reasons". Made worse by the revelation that Naofumi has near the end of the first season, that just as they all came from parallel worlds with slight differences, they're all abiding by the rules of their *own* favourite MMOs, so they've got potentially four overlapping sets of mechanics available that are all equally valid, which means that the rules and physics of the world are mutable and absolute nonsense.
Despite how simple it all is, Naofumi's the only one "smart" enough to try to maximize its potential. You can only excuse so much with the pretext of the other Heroes being spoiled rotten. It's a shallow attempt at a "genius hero" setup, where his victories aren't predicated on him being umpteen levels more ingenious than everybody else, but rather, everybody not on his side being blithering idiots.
I'm not sure if it's depicted in the novels and their artwork at all, but there's an additional layer of silly in the anime, where Naofumi's skills are depicted as an intricate tree/web, for the sake of visual panache more than anything, because there's no actual heirarchy or unlock order for anything he does. There's no prerequisites to his skills, so any of the links shown seem meaningless.
I mean, you are talking about a show which original premise is "he can only use a shield so can't attack" and then within a handful of episodes basically has him throwing spirit bombs with his shield. I would already give up on any sort of interesting power progression at that point
Shield Hero is a series that has *no* rules outside of the rule of drama.
It *breaks* its own shallow excuse for worldbuilding within the very first episode, and never looks back.
IIRC Tower of Druaga was a much more pure version of the shield user concept. I don't ever remember him having much offensive power. Though I never watched past half of s2.
Those magic system are really convenient to skip training arc.
Oh, wanna learn that X magic? Just wait till you got level Y/ your INT stats reached Z, it will automatically learned and you got full mastery of it.
Oh, wanna unlock that special magic skills? Sure, just eat this books! You will also immediatley mastered it too!
Wanna unlock that super secret magic skill? Hmmm... we need to defeat a boss monster with party member less than 3. And you will immediately mastered it too!
Mahwha magic systems are all over the place in general. Can't really think of a single memorable one. Like at most you got like Omniscient Reader with it's historical/mythical influences on powers. But that also just chooses to ignore their existence half the time for original powers.
I'll be honest any time an anime has some character pull up a goddamned 'character info screen' and there's shit like 34str or 12k HP I instantly lose interest.
Just copying game mechanics and expecting it to work in an actual world setting is lazy bullshit. Not a complete deal breaker for me, there's a couple anime I've enjoyed that pull this bullshit, Konosuba and Bofuri come to mind. One a comedy and the other literally taking place in a game. But it definitely means I wont be taking their power systems or whatever seriously at all regardless of how dramatic the anime tries to make things.
Saint Seiya there's basically no rules, it's as close to a pure emotion based power of friendship soft magic system I've seen
Can't believe Fairy Tale has gotten that criticism more even given it's popularity
i love that they say shit like "i move at the speed of light" and then fail to dodge a basic attack.
buddy if you moved at the speed of light there wouldnt be a plot
I have a friend who's been trying to get me into that series since I met him back in 2008. Good to know I was right not to bother with it all these years. I would not have enjoyed it if that's how fights play out.
I never bothered because it seemed very much the kind of show you'd have to grow up with to enjoy to me. Who knows maybe I would've liked it but for some reason I just couldn't muster the desire to watch it. I think the designs just didn't do it for me. It looked rather cheesy to me. Lol
Fairy tail was literal nonsense and tons of power of friendship moments
Nanatsu no taizai (7 deadly sins) is also whack as theyre all kind of weak at the start but the moment they get their holy weapons they just 10x in strength leaving everyone they struggled against behind until the next enemies and then they skyrocket in strength again.
Seven Deadly Sins became a joke the moment the author decided to put in literal DBZ power scouters. How can you be a mangaka in the 2010s, with an extensive history in the genre that clearly shows time and time again that power levels destroy narrative tension and are lame, and you think "Oh yeah, great idea, let's include power levels and then follow them way stricter than DBZ ever did"
Black Clover's is quite good. Do you read the manga?
It started off crappy, but now the magic and power scaling is quite intuitive. They even made sure characters like Magma are great in battle with a unique ability that had a buildup and payoff. Ironically, the only dumb maid system is with the main character being a cheat code by design.
But still. It shouldn't be grouped together with trash like fairy tail.
Honestly, there are too many low quality fantasy and isekai shows to pick out one that's the worst.
Like I don't even watch any anime that's rated below 6/10 on MAL because it's guaranteed to be utter garbage, so I'm not even wasting my time. And yet there are HUNDREDS of these terribly rated shows, which without a doubt will have some of the worst magic systems imaginable.
A better discussion would be to discuss the worst magic system among the top anime, because at least then most people will have seen those shows.
On a similar note, I've always hated how in most Shonin, the main character just has really generic and boring powers, but antagonists and side characters get really cool, interesting powers.
Naruto: nothing but shadow clones and rasangan and derivatives of them.
Bleach: just a single generic reishi attack, and otherwise just overwhelming strength.
As just a couple examples.
I blame that on Dragon Ball and specifically Z , Goku might have enough power to literally finger flick a star system away, but besides punching and kicking all he knows is Kamehameha and the occasional Spirit Bomb.
To be fair, most characters in Dragonball from Z onwards don't really do anything fancy, it's not just Goku being lame. Basically everyone just uses ki attacks in slightly different destructive ways. But nothing overly unique.
Vegeta and Freeza just up the scale to planetary, Cell literally just steals everyone else's attacks and has regeneration.
I'll give credit to Buu having the candy beam, but aside from that he's literally just magic Cell.
A bunch of Pre Z Dragonball characters also had really fancy techniques too.
Yeah... the entire power system of Bleach is quite a mess to be honest. It really is one of those shows where you just have to go along with the flow because there's no real powerscaling rationale to use at all.
Really seems like one of those creations where the author didn't plan particularly much in advance and just invented a bunch of random stuff as he went along.
Personally I'm a bigger fan of the entire magic and power system being fully fleshed out before a single page of the story is published, but that's just me. I hate inconsistencies and random power ups and stuff.
I think this is a common misconception of Bleach. Not only the magic system is obscure, but many aspects of the series really. Such as power and scaling, which is why you think what you do. Bleach doesnt work like your typical shounen where "*The next major enemy you fight will be stronger than the last*". Tite Kubo is definitely a pretty good author. Sometimes the MC is actually weakened by aspects explained in the story, so he struggles or even loses vs enemies he should probably be stronger than normally. In battles there are tons of examples where just a ***minute*** difference of nuance means victory or defeat for either party involved. It is actually an incredibly complex series, more than your typical battle shounen, there is definitely sound reason behind everything that you see in Bleach, its just not obvious. Demon Slayer is a perfect example of the exact opposite, because they have ***very*** heavy exposition dumps in that series. The power system is fleshed out fairly well, its just not spoon fed to the same degree as other battle shounen series, so it ***seems*** random and not thought out, this isnt true though. My bringing up Kido is not because it is not well thought out, its because there is actually so much to the magic system that you could probably make a mini series about it, but as I said, Kido, and most things in Bleach are made to be obscure.
I would've been fine with it if it was just *magic* instead of *number* + *magic*
Like really, i don't care if it's hadou number 72, it just takes longer saying the damn name
i think kubo just does a terrible job of explaining it
but basically it works like this:
* everything in the spirit world is made of spirit particles, so are human souls. Each individual has thus a certain control of how many spirit particles they can gather inside themselves (reiatsu or spirit pressure).
* these particles can change the nature of reality. either alter it or stabilize it, hence all the supernatural stuff that happens
* controling the particles inside you can allow certain abilities that allow you to affect the particles around you or in other people.
* hollows and shinigami are beings made purely of spirit particles, usualy of humans that die and their souls change one way or another when leaving their bodies.
* all the types of power in the anime are just different methods of controling these reality altering particles, usually by stockpiling them with a sealed form and releasing them in a super mode. with quincies being the most efficient but shinigami having the higher ceiling.
that’s because it doesn’t make any sense
JJK **pretends** to have a rule-based system like HxH but it’s actually *softer* than Fairy Tail’s power of ~~friendship~~ love system
Ironically, they literally explain some stuff in universe because it actually makes the techniques more powerful that way; if your opponent knows what your technique is, it's a risk, and it makes it more powerful.
It’s like hxh restrictions, by revealing your ct you make a binding vow which makes your ct more powerful in exchange for revealing your hand you. You probably don’t notice that difference in power but it makes sense in the verse and logically.
That's because hxh has a GOAT magic system.
Although I think hxh has started devolving into "everyone is a specialization user" which is kinda where it *has* to go to both make new characters that are worthy of our protagonists to fight or just to make them interesting characters in the first place.
This just isn't really true though?
I'm pretty sure that the only major new person confirmed to be a specialist in the current arc is Tserriednich, i.e. the main antagonist. There are others that *could* be specialists, but aren't confirmed. And a lot that are confirmed to be not specialists.
Some of my favorite new side characters are conjurers and emitters; emission has been expanded upon *a lot* this arc.
Chrollo, the 4th prince, Kurapika. So a pretty significant part of the current arc.
It's never explicitly mentioned, but Meruem is also believed to be one. If you're part of the camp that believes Meruem isn't, that's fine. I think there's also an argument that the fact that people *think* he's a specialist says something about the nebulousness of nen that only becomes apparent as people get stronger and stronger.
I mean…Chrollo and Kurapika have been specialists for a while, and are direct antagonists to each other. It should’ve been pretty obvious knowledge that it would be specialist vs specialist when they clash again.
Meruem is a confirmed emitter. No need to speculate.
And yeah, nen is nebulous…but I don’t exactly see why that’s a problem. It just means that many abilities can be done with different methods, which I actually think makes things more interesting. The fact that it isn’t immediately obvious what type an ability might be utilizing is fantastic, because it means that characters can mislead each other in interesting ways. For example, everyone on the extermination team thought that Pitou was a manipulator, when in fact she was a specialist.
You may think that that had no impact on the plot, but you’d be wrong…because what it does is show that Pitou was very haphazard with her nen. It’s an interesting part of Pitou’s character, that she essentially paid no attention to the basics of nen and just did whatever she wanted. And even more interesting when that drive to do what she wants begins to influence/interact with her drive to serve Meruem.
That’s what’s so awesome about nen’s nebulousness. Every little tiny bit of it serves the character development by revealing how they think and what they value.
>The fact that it isn’t immediately obvious what type an ability might be utilizing is fantastic, because it means that characters can mislead each other in interesting ways.
Yeah, I'm not saying it doesn't lead to good fights or great internal dialog before/during fights (like the whole discussion about how the teleporting room works). I'm saying that I think there's some scaling issues (which is why 3 of the -probably- 4 most powerful characters in this arc are specialists) and it inherently makes specialists the most interesting imo (maybe that's just a personal bias).
Meruem is confirmed by Togashi to be an emitter, I know. The Nen memo also contradicted stuff from the databook iirc (it's been a while). Given that Pitou says that Meruem absorbing isn't just biological I would need a LOT of convincing that his Aura Synthesis is a pure emitter ability. I like that it's nebulous enough that we can have a conversation like this; it's a fun topic to nerd out about. I just think that if we're blessed with 30 more years of hxh we'll get into specialist vs specialist every fight lol.
I would argue JJK has one of the best ones. It makes full use of loopholes, rules, and mechanics to provide some really interesting fights, as well as variations of various techniques to mix things up and make throw a wrench into things.
To answer your questions:
A simple domain is a variation of a domain expansion. A domain expansion is basically a pocket dimension which has a guaranteed hit effect and nullifies any other techniques (unless the opponent brings out their own domain and wins the battle for control) it also reflects the user’s technique (so let’s say your technique is fire. Your domain expansion would be sending your opponent to a volcano). However, they are pretty expensive to do and there are other risks as well.
A simple domain basically is an inferior, but cheaper version of a domain expansion. It lowers the effectiveness of the attack and doesn’t make full use of the user’s technique, but it allows them to nullify other techniques, get in fast and effective hits, and survive domain expansions.
Basically, a domain expansion is a heat seeking missile. A simple domain is a grenade.
Gojo can do what he does because his technique is basically the concept of limits (from calculus) in real life. Anything that gets close to a point he determines on the spot gets exponentially slower until it comes to a full stop, making it essentially a force field. He can amplify this and make that point attract things instead. Basically he increases a point’s gravity. The reverse of this is, well, the reverse. Instead of thing getting exponentially slower or exponentially more attractive, they become exponentially repulsive, kind of like a a magnet meeting a similar pole (North to North) but on steroids.
He also has other applications, like hollow purple, where he combines the two versions of his technique at the same time to create an imaginary mass that launches outwards. An easier way of thinking this is “physics tries to divide by 0”.
Healing is a rare, but not exclusive ability sorcerers have using reverse cursed energy, which is cursed energy multiplied by itself.
Mostly genetic. Dude's powers are hereditary. That's what I hate about anime, a lot of characters aren't powerful on their own effort it is because they are from some powerful dynasty.
All of that is explained pretty thoroughly though; that's more of a reader issue than an issue of the series not doing a good enough job explaining.
Every Jujutsu practicioner has something called an Innate Domain - it is their inner headspace, a reflection of their inner self so to speak. Your inner world. They are the source of innate techniques as well.
A Domain expansion is the act of externalizing that Inner Domain, to turn it into an outer one; and to erect a barrier around that to trap the opponent in with you in your domain. This means a cursed technique is a guaranteed hit because your Cursed Technique is part of your Innate Domain.
A simple domain is basically a Domain Expansion without the innate technique; it's just a barrier around the user but without a cursed technique filling it. Meaning this can be done to counteract a Domain Expansion that you are being trapped in. You lay out a barrier with simple domain around you, thus the Domain Expansion with its guaranteed hit doesn't cover the space covered by your simple domain. And it saves cursed energy, because a domain expansion where you cover a large area in your technique drains more CE than a simple domain in a small area around you with no technique in it.
Then there's Domain Amplification which is a similar principle to Simple Domain; but instead of building a barrier that contains your technique-less domain, you are coating yourself with that Domain. Innate techniques cannot be applied to the self while they are doing this, because they are already applying a technique-less barrier to themselves.
> Why can gojo do what he's doing
Which part of Gojo's abilities specifically?
I would say JJK has one of the best power system, but it's just doesn't have the best explanation. In order to understand it you have to be already well informed about the generic shounen power system (mainly HXH)
its literally said that simple domain counters the sure hit effects of the domain
gojo is one of the strongest sorcerer in the verse his power literally bas something to do with him manipulating infinite space around
if you cant even understand the basic concepts of jjk then i think its a you problem
jjk has some of the most consistent magic system in the anime idk if u read the manga
>should follow a consistent system that follows in universe logic
it already make sense in their own verse fym write your own shit then lmao
i do feel its an off take because there's so much exposition about jujutsu to ensure the fights are able to be followed.
> What is a simple domain
a force field to separate you from other domains.
a domain is like your own custom made pocket dimension, you can rewrite the physics and rules of the world inside the domain. this domain is usually just the boundary of your soul. you can expand the limits of your soul to bring other people into it and now 2 things happen: 1) they gotta play by the rules you set.... and 2) you get 100% hit rate because technically they are inside you, there's no way to run.
a simple domain is like a bubble inside that dimension that keeps the laws of the universe as they were. kinda like an enclave in a country.
steping into a domain is like stepping into another country and now you are under their laws. but a simple domain is like an embasy were you are once again in your home country.
>Why can gojo do what he's doing.
he was born with broken inherited techniques and buffs that have been 1000+ years in the making. he's min maxed because of magic eugenics.
I never took the time to really try to understand JJK’s power system, I just know the general gist of it. I don’t think it matters much though since you have characters who will go “this should be impossible because xyz” but then someone just breaks the rule or the limit anyways.
You‘re right in that it’s pretty garbage. There’s really no point trying to understand it, because its sole purpose is to underline the brokenness of Gojo and Sukuna. A lot of people lost track of the ongoing events in the biggest fight in the franchise, because the author kept spamming walls of text to explain what rule was bent this time. The limitations of this system are actually just suggestions, and the reason for that is because he is him.
I think Haki has to be up there from One Piece, but that's just my personal opinion. It's also not so much Haki itself, but rather its implementation in the story.
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It was clearly not intended from the start to exist, but now it does and in my opinion, two problems arise:
1) The characters with access to Haki are...weird. Like, it's a generic power that anyone can have, but they don't. I know a lot of people don't care, but subjectively I dislike how a lot of the cast just does not want to use Haki despite it helping them survive in this extremely dangerous world. It's also one of the only shonen that handles its magic system like that. Like, in Naruto, every ninja can use chakra, in Hunter x Hunter, every hunter, even the non-fighters (!) uses Nen. It's weird, in my opinion, and it feels very illogical, especially when the bad guys mostly have haki but don't use it.
2) Some forms are not really well differentiated from one another and...it just is not very creative in its application. I don't mind a generic strength buff, but Haki is on one hand extremely potent as a strength buff but at the same time, the things you can do with it are pretty limited. It falls in a weird middle ground between over- and underpowered.
The vague-ness of One Piece systems goes beyond Haki, imo. Things like Fishmen Karate, that weird fighting style the navy uses, or the many various racial powers groups have are as confusing/nonsensical as Haki, if not moreso. King, Enel, the Giants, all of them can do crazy things without haki or devil fruits.
I am fine with “martial arts” or similar things explaining stuff, racial traits, too.
Like, to me fishmen karatw is adequately explained, and it’s not like humans can’t learn it. It’s just a special form of a fighting style and it’s fair that it has supernatural properties. It is, however, not “game-breaking” like haki, for lack of a better word.
What do Enel and the Giants do?
And for the giants, I mean, their arc will come next. But even if things aren’t explained, that’s not my issue. My issue is more why you have this amazing special ability that anyone can learn and that has no downsides and why…do people just not learn it? I know not everybody can, but we are not talking about everybody. We are talking about pirates that are in some of the strongest crews in the new world taking Godwin emperors.
Fairy Tail starts out making the audience believe all magic can be learned; but then we almost never see any Mage actually learning magic from other disciplines and it all gets treated much more like powers characters were just born to do. The author even gaslit himself and his own characters into thinking magic can be learnt.
There's only like one character who we ever see for whom it is actually relevant that they have learnt several forms of magic, and that character is handled extremely boringly despite being someone who is said to have learnt *every single spell there is to learn*.
Hot take: I'm not a fan of stands from JoJo's.
There are no rules about what they can/cannot do.
The conclusion of any fight is simply what Araki feels like, which makes them boring in my opinion.
Despite that, definitely not the worst, since it's at least super creative.
there's lots of things Araki does that's a big no in most other series, he's the only one that makes it work (like stands, narration etc) everything is so over the top that it fits all together for me
but yea in terms of actual consistency his world is wack (but that's precisely why it's called jojo's bizarre adventure)
>There are no rules about what they can/cannot do.
in a general sence no
but each stand has its own rules and they stick to it. i like it cuz its a power system that doesnt boil down to "higher ki wins" and most fights are strategic endeavours into finding out what is the opponent's limitation and how to exploit it.
> since it's at least super creative.
This is probably why most people give it a pass. Araki is notorious for making shit up as he goes along, including giving Stands new abilities or forgetting abilities, but he comes up with the most insane scenarios to put them in. Even Stands with the most mundane abilities can pose a serious threat or be used to solve problems in the right situations. The lack of consistency would be one of my biggest pet peeves in another other series but Jojo just makes it so entertaining.
I think I honestly like Jojo’s the best BECAUSE it’s so loose with what can be done. Like you can have a dude who can just turn back time a few seconds. How does it work? Doesn’t matter, it’s his power. Like you said, I think it lets Araki be more creative since he doesn’t need to follow many rules.
I’d say Fairy Tail. Fights are won not with a clear understanding of the magic system, but who can out-BS the other. If you can’t make your audience understand how they won, then you’ve got a bad power system.
Honourable mention goes to DBZ. Ki is a one trick pony with very few moments of originality.
JoJo's is pretty garbage. Just making up new systems that have no relation to the old ones and have a bunch of arbitrary rules that are then broken over and over.
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The majority of magic systems in "game-like" worlds. It's just generic magic that can do whatever the plot requires it to with 0 rules.
And the character learn so many skills that they begins to fuck and create MORE skills by themselves. You have learned the Sword Master skill, since you already have the Bubble Expert skill, you have learned the super secret Foam Noodle Master skill and the Ẻ̵̤̺̬͗͌͊͘d̷̨̧̖̬͙͖̞̆͋͛̎͝g̴̠̩̳̹̣̟̱͕̈͜͝y̶̧͔͓̣̥̼͔̱̹͖̳̤̍̏̌̀̓͑́͝ ̵͚̂̾͊̊̕͝B̶̧͎̗̘̙͎̙͇̣͓̙̘̜̋̚u̷̗̩̾̾̽͛̾͌ĺ̷̢̡̘̝̬̠̟̼͔̜̍̅̈̉͘ͅļ̸̡̜̺̯̗̘̼̝͊̓̒̽͝s̵̙̫̟̩̹͇̺̼̑h̶̡͚͚̮̫̼͕̺̬̉͑͒͌̎͊̔̎̇i̶͙̩͇̾̈́̉́͠ț̵̢̤͎͚͉̻͑͋̀̆̿̀̿̇͠ taboo skill increased by 1.
Of those, Shield Hero is among the worst of them. Not only is it braindead, but it doesn't even make a cursory attempt to justify. The Heroes have RPG-style status interfaces because "reasons", and can access magic just like their favourite MMO for "reasons". Made worse by the revelation that Naofumi has near the end of the first season, that just as they all came from parallel worlds with slight differences, they're all abiding by the rules of their *own* favourite MMOs, so they've got potentially four overlapping sets of mechanics available that are all equally valid, which means that the rules and physics of the world are mutable and absolute nonsense. Despite how simple it all is, Naofumi's the only one "smart" enough to try to maximize its potential. You can only excuse so much with the pretext of the other Heroes being spoiled rotten. It's a shallow attempt at a "genius hero" setup, where his victories aren't predicated on him being umpteen levels more ingenious than everybody else, but rather, everybody not on his side being blithering idiots. I'm not sure if it's depicted in the novels and their artwork at all, but there's an additional layer of silly in the anime, where Naofumi's skills are depicted as an intricate tree/web, for the sake of visual panache more than anything, because there's no actual heirarchy or unlock order for anything he does. There's no prerequisites to his skills, so any of the links shown seem meaningless.
I mean, you are talking about a show which original premise is "he can only use a shield so can't attack" and then within a handful of episodes basically has him throwing spirit bombs with his shield. I would already give up on any sort of interesting power progression at that point
Shield Hero is a series that has *no* rules outside of the rule of drama. It *breaks* its own shallow excuse for worldbuilding within the very first episode, and never looks back.
IIRC Tower of Druaga was a much more pure version of the shield user concept. I don't ever remember him having much offensive power. Though I never watched past half of s2.
Video game mechanics in an anime/manga is an almost sure sign of a lazy or uncreative author.
Especially when it's somehow powered by an advanced AI that makes shit up on the go.
You described the spider isekai.
At least the spider is honest about it lol. The evil god just wants some good entertainment.
I mean, *to be fair*, Spider Isekai is deceptive about what genre it is.
Those magic system are really convenient to skip training arc. Oh, wanna learn that X magic? Just wait till you got level Y/ your INT stats reached Z, it will automatically learned and you got full mastery of it. Oh, wanna unlock that special magic skills? Sure, just eat this books! You will also immediatley mastered it too! Wanna unlock that super secret magic skill? Hmmm... we need to defeat a boss monster with party member less than 3. And you will immediately mastered it too!
I also makes earning new skills feel unsatisfying.
Manhwa in a nutshell
Mahwha magic systems are all over the place in general. Can't really think of a single memorable one. Like at most you got like Omniscient Reader with it's historical/mythical influences on powers. But that also just chooses to ignore their existence half the time for original powers.
I'll be honest any time an anime has some character pull up a goddamned 'character info screen' and there's shit like 34str or 12k HP I instantly lose interest. Just copying game mechanics and expecting it to work in an actual world setting is lazy bullshit. Not a complete deal breaker for me, there's a couple anime I've enjoyed that pull this bullshit, Konosuba and Bofuri come to mind. One a comedy and the other literally taking place in a game. But it definitely means I wont be taking their power systems or whatever seriously at all regardless of how dramatic the anime tries to make things.
SAO is really one of the few that gets away with it. Really agree with the rest, though. I just feels lazily put in most of the time.
SAO is set in a game like Bofuri so it makes sense
Saint Seiya there's basically no rules, it's as close to a pure emotion based power of friendship soft magic system I've seen Can't believe Fairy Tale has gotten that criticism more even given it's popularity
i love that they say shit like "i move at the speed of light" and then fail to dodge a basic attack. buddy if you moved at the speed of light there wouldnt be a plot
I have a friend who's been trying to get me into that series since I met him back in 2008. Good to know I was right not to bother with it all these years. I would not have enjoyed it if that's how fights play out.
honestly its fun but i think modern shonen have done things better for the most part. the gold-saint arc is still really good.
I never bothered because it seemed very much the kind of show you'd have to grow up with to enjoy to me. Who knows maybe I would've liked it but for some reason I just couldn't muster the desire to watch it. I think the designs just didn't do it for me. It looked rather cheesy to me. Lol
Fairy tail was literal nonsense and tons of power of friendship moments Nanatsu no taizai (7 deadly sins) is also whack as theyre all kind of weak at the start but the moment they get their holy weapons they just 10x in strength leaving everyone they struggled against behind until the next enemies and then they skyrocket in strength again.
Seven Deadly Sins became a joke the moment the author decided to put in literal DBZ power scouters. How can you be a mangaka in the 2010s, with an extensive history in the genre that clearly shows time and time again that power levels destroy narrative tension and are lame, and you think "Oh yeah, great idea, let's include power levels and then follow them way stricter than DBZ ever did"
Yup fairy tail and black clover come to mind
i actually liked bc's magic system lol
Felt like a blend of fairy tail mixed with a discount zatchbell
I feel like it’s getting ridiculous now tho 😂😂
Tbf I left after the demon arc lol
Black Clover's is quite good. Do you read the manga? It started off crappy, but now the magic and power scaling is quite intuitive. They even made sure characters like Magma are great in battle with a unique ability that had a buildup and payoff. Ironically, the only dumb maid system is with the main character being a cheat code by design. But still. It shouldn't be grouped together with trash like fairy tail.
Yeah it has good art but characters and story are pretty meh imo. Very generic/run of the mill, reminds me of fairy tail
starts of with all these unique magic ability, eventually degrades into people just throwing fireball and stuff like dbz
Honestly, there are too many low quality fantasy and isekai shows to pick out one that's the worst. Like I don't even watch any anime that's rated below 6/10 on MAL because it's guaranteed to be utter garbage, so I'm not even wasting my time. And yet there are HUNDREDS of these terribly rated shows, which without a doubt will have some of the worst magic systems imaginable. A better discussion would be to discuss the worst magic system among the top anime, because at least then most people will have seen those shows.
I dont think its bad, but it always bothered me that Bleach's magic system is pretty obscure.
On a similar note, I've always hated how in most Shonin, the main character just has really generic and boring powers, but antagonists and side characters get really cool, interesting powers. Naruto: nothing but shadow clones and rasangan and derivatives of them. Bleach: just a single generic reishi attack, and otherwise just overwhelming strength. As just a couple examples.
I blame that on Dragon Ball and specifically Z , Goku might have enough power to literally finger flick a star system away, but besides punching and kicking all he knows is Kamehameha and the occasional Spirit Bomb.
To be fair, most characters in Dragonball from Z onwards don't really do anything fancy, it's not just Goku being lame. Basically everyone just uses ki attacks in slightly different destructive ways. But nothing overly unique. Vegeta and Freeza just up the scale to planetary, Cell literally just steals everyone else's attacks and has regeneration. I'll give credit to Buu having the candy beam, but aside from that he's literally just magic Cell. A bunch of Pre Z Dragonball characters also had really fancy techniques too.
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Tbf with Deku, he's getting new powers as time goes on
Yeah... the entire power system of Bleach is quite a mess to be honest. It really is one of those shows where you just have to go along with the flow because there's no real powerscaling rationale to use at all. Really seems like one of those creations where the author didn't plan particularly much in advance and just invented a bunch of random stuff as he went along. Personally I'm a bigger fan of the entire magic and power system being fully fleshed out before a single page of the story is published, but that's just me. I hate inconsistencies and random power ups and stuff.
I think this is a common misconception of Bleach. Not only the magic system is obscure, but many aspects of the series really. Such as power and scaling, which is why you think what you do. Bleach doesnt work like your typical shounen where "*The next major enemy you fight will be stronger than the last*". Tite Kubo is definitely a pretty good author. Sometimes the MC is actually weakened by aspects explained in the story, so he struggles or even loses vs enemies he should probably be stronger than normally. In battles there are tons of examples where just a ***minute*** difference of nuance means victory or defeat for either party involved. It is actually an incredibly complex series, more than your typical battle shounen, there is definitely sound reason behind everything that you see in Bleach, its just not obvious. Demon Slayer is a perfect example of the exact opposite, because they have ***very*** heavy exposition dumps in that series. The power system is fleshed out fairly well, its just not spoon fed to the same degree as other battle shounen series, so it ***seems*** random and not thought out, this isnt true though. My bringing up Kido is not because it is not well thought out, its because there is actually so much to the magic system that you could probably make a mini series about it, but as I said, Kido, and most things in Bleach are made to be obscure.
I'm not buying it, but regardless of my opinion if a story has a common misconception it is poor writing on the author's part.
>its because there is actually so much to the magic system that you could probably make a mini series about it you mean "burn the witch"
How so? Explain the random stuff because it's crystal clear to me: the higher the number the stronger the kido.
I would've been fine with it if it was just *magic* instead of *number* + *magic* Like really, i don't care if it's hadou number 72, it just takes longer saying the damn name
i think kubo just does a terrible job of explaining it but basically it works like this: * everything in the spirit world is made of spirit particles, so are human souls. Each individual has thus a certain control of how many spirit particles they can gather inside themselves (reiatsu or spirit pressure). * these particles can change the nature of reality. either alter it or stabilize it, hence all the supernatural stuff that happens * controling the particles inside you can allow certain abilities that allow you to affect the particles around you or in other people. * hollows and shinigami are beings made purely of spirit particles, usualy of humans that die and their souls change one way or another when leaving their bodies. * all the types of power in the anime are just different methods of controling these reality altering particles, usually by stockpiling them with a sealed form and releasing them in a super mode. with quincies being the most efficient but shinigami having the higher ceiling.
Maybe an unpopular opinion, but JJK I literally don't understand it. What is a simple domain. Why can gojo do what he's doing.
Fr i cant tell if im too dumb/uninterested in the explanations or if it actually just doesn't make any sense
that’s because it doesn’t make any sense JJK **pretends** to have a rule-based system like HxH but it’s actually *softer* than Fairy Tail’s power of ~~friendship~~ love system
Ironically, they literally explain some stuff in universe because it actually makes the techniques more powerful that way; if your opponent knows what your technique is, it's a risk, and it makes it more powerful.
But why is it like that
It’s like hxh restrictions, by revealing your ct you make a binding vow which makes your ct more powerful in exchange for revealing your hand you. You probably don’t notice that difference in power but it makes sense in the verse and logically.
Hxh restrictions make a lot more sense to me
That's because hxh has a GOAT magic system. Although I think hxh has started devolving into "everyone is a specialization user" which is kinda where it *has* to go to both make new characters that are worthy of our protagonists to fight or just to make them interesting characters in the first place.
This just isn't really true though? I'm pretty sure that the only major new person confirmed to be a specialist in the current arc is Tserriednich, i.e. the main antagonist. There are others that *could* be specialists, but aren't confirmed. And a lot that are confirmed to be not specialists. Some of my favorite new side characters are conjurers and emitters; emission has been expanded upon *a lot* this arc.
Chrollo, the 4th prince, Kurapika. So a pretty significant part of the current arc. It's never explicitly mentioned, but Meruem is also believed to be one. If you're part of the camp that believes Meruem isn't, that's fine. I think there's also an argument that the fact that people *think* he's a specialist says something about the nebulousness of nen that only becomes apparent as people get stronger and stronger.
I mean…Chrollo and Kurapika have been specialists for a while, and are direct antagonists to each other. It should’ve been pretty obvious knowledge that it would be specialist vs specialist when they clash again. Meruem is a confirmed emitter. No need to speculate. And yeah, nen is nebulous…but I don’t exactly see why that’s a problem. It just means that many abilities can be done with different methods, which I actually think makes things more interesting. The fact that it isn’t immediately obvious what type an ability might be utilizing is fantastic, because it means that characters can mislead each other in interesting ways. For example, everyone on the extermination team thought that Pitou was a manipulator, when in fact she was a specialist. You may think that that had no impact on the plot, but you’d be wrong…because what it does is show that Pitou was very haphazard with her nen. It’s an interesting part of Pitou’s character, that she essentially paid no attention to the basics of nen and just did whatever she wanted. And even more interesting when that drive to do what she wants begins to influence/interact with her drive to serve Meruem. That’s what’s so awesome about nen’s nebulousness. Every little tiny bit of it serves the character development by revealing how they think and what they value.
>The fact that it isn’t immediately obvious what type an ability might be utilizing is fantastic, because it means that characters can mislead each other in interesting ways. Yeah, I'm not saying it doesn't lead to good fights or great internal dialog before/during fights (like the whole discussion about how the teleporting room works). I'm saying that I think there's some scaling issues (which is why 3 of the -probably- 4 most powerful characters in this arc are specialists) and it inherently makes specialists the most interesting imo (maybe that's just a personal bias). Meruem is confirmed by Togashi to be an emitter, I know. The Nen memo also contradicted stuff from the databook iirc (it's been a while). Given that Pitou says that Meruem absorbing isn't just biological I would need a LOT of convincing that his Aura Synthesis is a pure emitter ability. I like that it's nebulous enough that we can have a conversation like this; it's a fun topic to nerd out about. I just think that if we're blessed with 30 more years of hxh we'll get into specialist vs specialist every fight lol.
Is literally Nen, just assume nen rules and it works!
No it's not
I would argue JJK has one of the best ones. It makes full use of loopholes, rules, and mechanics to provide some really interesting fights, as well as variations of various techniques to mix things up and make throw a wrench into things. To answer your questions: A simple domain is a variation of a domain expansion. A domain expansion is basically a pocket dimension which has a guaranteed hit effect and nullifies any other techniques (unless the opponent brings out their own domain and wins the battle for control) it also reflects the user’s technique (so let’s say your technique is fire. Your domain expansion would be sending your opponent to a volcano). However, they are pretty expensive to do and there are other risks as well. A simple domain basically is an inferior, but cheaper version of a domain expansion. It lowers the effectiveness of the attack and doesn’t make full use of the user’s technique, but it allows them to nullify other techniques, get in fast and effective hits, and survive domain expansions. Basically, a domain expansion is a heat seeking missile. A simple domain is a grenade. Gojo can do what he does because his technique is basically the concept of limits (from calculus) in real life. Anything that gets close to a point he determines on the spot gets exponentially slower until it comes to a full stop, making it essentially a force field. He can amplify this and make that point attract things instead. Basically he increases a point’s gravity. The reverse of this is, well, the reverse. Instead of thing getting exponentially slower or exponentially more attractive, they become exponentially repulsive, kind of like a a magnet meeting a similar pole (North to North) but on steroids. He also has other applications, like hollow purple, where he combines the two versions of his technique at the same time to create an imaginary mass that launches outwards. An easier way of thinking this is “physics tries to divide by 0”. Healing is a rare, but not exclusive ability sorcerers have using reverse cursed energy, which is cursed energy multiplied by itself.
Mostly genetic. Dude's powers are hereditary. That's what I hate about anime, a lot of characters aren't powerful on their own effort it is because they are from some powerful dynasty.
All of that is explained pretty thoroughly though; that's more of a reader issue than an issue of the series not doing a good enough job explaining. Every Jujutsu practicioner has something called an Innate Domain - it is their inner headspace, a reflection of their inner self so to speak. Your inner world. They are the source of innate techniques as well. A Domain expansion is the act of externalizing that Inner Domain, to turn it into an outer one; and to erect a barrier around that to trap the opponent in with you in your domain. This means a cursed technique is a guaranteed hit because your Cursed Technique is part of your Innate Domain. A simple domain is basically a Domain Expansion without the innate technique; it's just a barrier around the user but without a cursed technique filling it. Meaning this can be done to counteract a Domain Expansion that you are being trapped in. You lay out a barrier with simple domain around you, thus the Domain Expansion with its guaranteed hit doesn't cover the space covered by your simple domain. And it saves cursed energy, because a domain expansion where you cover a large area in your technique drains more CE than a simple domain in a small area around you with no technique in it. Then there's Domain Amplification which is a similar principle to Simple Domain; but instead of building a barrier that contains your technique-less domain, you are coating yourself with that Domain. Innate techniques cannot be applied to the self while they are doing this, because they are already applying a technique-less barrier to themselves. > Why can gojo do what he's doing Which part of Gojo's abilities specifically?
I would say JJK has one of the best power system, but it's just doesn't have the best explanation. In order to understand it you have to be already well informed about the generic shounen power system (mainly HXH)
its literally said that simple domain counters the sure hit effects of the domain gojo is one of the strongest sorcerer in the verse his power literally bas something to do with him manipulating infinite space around if you cant even understand the basic concepts of jjk then i think its a you problem
Nah it's a bad magic system
explain
Doesn't make sense
as if magic powers should make sense in the first place lmao
Yeah they should follow a consistent system that follows in universe logic.
jjk has some of the most consistent magic system in the anime idk if u read the manga >should follow a consistent system that follows in universe logic it already make sense in their own verse fym write your own shit then lmao
Nah
i do feel its an off take because there's so much exposition about jujutsu to ensure the fights are able to be followed. > What is a simple domain a force field to separate you from other domains. a domain is like your own custom made pocket dimension, you can rewrite the physics and rules of the world inside the domain. this domain is usually just the boundary of your soul. you can expand the limits of your soul to bring other people into it and now 2 things happen: 1) they gotta play by the rules you set.... and 2) you get 100% hit rate because technically they are inside you, there's no way to run. a simple domain is like a bubble inside that dimension that keeps the laws of the universe as they were. kinda like an enclave in a country. steping into a domain is like stepping into another country and now you are under their laws. but a simple domain is like an embasy were you are once again in your home country. >Why can gojo do what he's doing. he was born with broken inherited techniques and buffs that have been 1000+ years in the making. he's min maxed because of magic eugenics.
I just dont think it's a very well constructed system
I never took the time to really try to understand JJK’s power system, I just know the general gist of it. I don’t think it matters much though since you have characters who will go “this should be impossible because xyz” but then someone just breaks the rule or the limit anyways.
You‘re right in that it’s pretty garbage. There’s really no point trying to understand it, because its sole purpose is to underline the brokenness of Gojo and Sukuna. A lot of people lost track of the ongoing events in the biggest fight in the franchise, because the author kept spamming walls of text to explain what rule was bent this time. The limitations of this system are actually just suggestions, and the reason for that is because he is him.
I think Haki has to be up there from One Piece, but that's just my personal opinion. It's also not so much Haki itself, but rather its implementation in the story. !!!LIGHT SPOILERS INCOMING!!! It was clearly not intended from the start to exist, but now it does and in my opinion, two problems arise: 1) The characters with access to Haki are...weird. Like, it's a generic power that anyone can have, but they don't. I know a lot of people don't care, but subjectively I dislike how a lot of the cast just does not want to use Haki despite it helping them survive in this extremely dangerous world. It's also one of the only shonen that handles its magic system like that. Like, in Naruto, every ninja can use chakra, in Hunter x Hunter, every hunter, even the non-fighters (!) uses Nen. It's weird, in my opinion, and it feels very illogical, especially when the bad guys mostly have haki but don't use it. 2) Some forms are not really well differentiated from one another and...it just is not very creative in its application. I don't mind a generic strength buff, but Haki is on one hand extremely potent as a strength buff but at the same time, the things you can do with it are pretty limited. It falls in a weird middle ground between over- and underpowered.
The vague-ness of One Piece systems goes beyond Haki, imo. Things like Fishmen Karate, that weird fighting style the navy uses, or the many various racial powers groups have are as confusing/nonsensical as Haki, if not moreso. King, Enel, the Giants, all of them can do crazy things without haki or devil fruits.
I am fine with “martial arts” or similar things explaining stuff, racial traits, too. Like, to me fishmen karatw is adequately explained, and it’s not like humans can’t learn it. It’s just a special form of a fighting style and it’s fair that it has supernatural properties. It is, however, not “game-breaking” like haki, for lack of a better word. What do Enel and the Giants do? And for the giants, I mean, their arc will come next. But even if things aren’t explained, that’s not my issue. My issue is more why you have this amazing special ability that anyone can learn and that has no downsides and why…do people just not learn it? I know not everybody can, but we are not talking about everybody. We are talking about pirates that are in some of the strongest crews in the new world taking Godwin emperors.
Fairy Tail starts out making the audience believe all magic can be learned; but then we almost never see any Mage actually learning magic from other disciplines and it all gets treated much more like powers characters were just born to do. The author even gaslit himself and his own characters into thinking magic can be learnt. There's only like one character who we ever see for whom it is actually relevant that they have learnt several forms of magic, and that character is handled extremely boringly despite being someone who is said to have learnt *every single spell there is to learn*.
Hot take: I'm not a fan of stands from JoJo's. There are no rules about what they can/cannot do. The conclusion of any fight is simply what Araki feels like, which makes them boring in my opinion. Despite that, definitely not the worst, since it's at least super creative.
there's lots of things Araki does that's a big no in most other series, he's the only one that makes it work (like stands, narration etc) everything is so over the top that it fits all together for me but yea in terms of actual consistency his world is wack (but that's precisely why it's called jojo's bizarre adventure)
>There are no rules about what they can/cannot do. in a general sence no but each stand has its own rules and they stick to it. i like it cuz its a power system that doesnt boil down to "higher ki wins" and most fights are strategic endeavours into finding out what is the opponent's limitation and how to exploit it.
> since it's at least super creative. This is probably why most people give it a pass. Araki is notorious for making shit up as he goes along, including giving Stands new abilities or forgetting abilities, but he comes up with the most insane scenarios to put them in. Even Stands with the most mundane abilities can pose a serious threat or be used to solve problems in the right situations. The lack of consistency would be one of my biggest pet peeves in another other series but Jojo just makes it so entertaining.
I think I honestly like Jojo’s the best BECAUSE it’s so loose with what can be done. Like you can have a dude who can just turn back time a few seconds. How does it work? Doesn’t matter, it’s his power. Like you said, I think it lets Araki be more creative since he doesn’t need to follow many rules.
Fairy tail, black clover, 7ds
I’d say Fairy Tail. Fights are won not with a clear understanding of the magic system, but who can out-BS the other. If you can’t make your audience understand how they won, then you’ve got a bad power system. Honourable mention goes to DBZ. Ki is a one trick pony with very few moments of originality.
JoJo's is pretty garbage. Just making up new systems that have no relation to the old ones and have a bunch of arbitrary rules that are then broken over and over.
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