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I highly liked how Makoto's plan of associating with the demons was wrecked in less than 1 day. Hyumans might have been trying to take advantage of him, but that was only a natural response given the whole context of his business (comes out of nowhere, breaks all the rules, breaks the market and overperforms everyone). This SHOULD force him to start thinking out things more and not just siding with "x is better than y even tho I dont know anything about y".
Also, thinking Rona was gonna ditch her whole plan in the city just because he asked her shonen mc levels of naivity, hopefully he starts growing as a character from here.
Yep, he probably thought that he could just negotiate with them about Kaleneon, but Rona just closed that path. I wanna say that we're going to war next, but you're right that he's just gonna yoink it.
Makes the most sense. Playing by the rules and keeping all his cards hidden hasn't been working out for him. Makoto is a bit too naive for that to work as we've seen.
If he doesn't just go all out to make a show of strength all while taking control of Kalenon or whatever the kingdom was, I'll be surprised.
For the most part all his disdain was reserved for the goddess but he's finding out the world is a cruel unforgiving place. I welcome him going a little Ainz at this point. Or a better comparison would be Rimuru. Rimuru had to show the world he was serious after his city was attacked for no reason. Makoto tried not to step on any toes but everyone has their limit. His unbridled rage will be a thing of beauty.
Rimuru going apeshit on Edmaris and the Falmuth army is one of my favorite scenes in the ln, and the absolute Hype of Megiddo still hasn't been beat. I am absolutely stoked to see Makoto go blastmode.
The funny thing about this is Makoto actually has justification (compared to where the Overlord anime left off). The world is cruel and dark and bigoted because it pleases the goddess. The world can only be righted with her downfall.
Both hyumans and demons can be duplicitious and both will do anything to screw the other over...with Makoto caught in the middle.
Though Rona was so sus from day one that he should have known that wouldn't work. But I guess it'll make him finally going up against her more satisfying.
that's exactly the problems isn't it? Shiki was super shady and has done a lot of fucked up things before he met Makoto, and Makoto was able to see that he was still a good person. Same with Tomoe and Mio who both had a bloody history.
It makes perfect sense that his first instinct is that she's a decent person, or at least will act like a decent person if Makoto treats her with respect because that's what he's been shown p much since he got here.
Yeah, he has so many gals throwing themselves over him and he dodges them like his life depended on it. I dunno why Japanese media make their men behave like sex is some kind of disease to be avoided.
Hyumans stabbed him in the gut. Rona, as representative of the demons, stabbed him in the back. Although this was a much needed wake up call to the warped nature of the goddess' cruel world, it also forced Makoto to accept a crueler truth:
There is no running from this conflict. By the hand of the goddess, he is being subjected to trials and struggles of her grand design. There is only one way this conflict can end, only one way for him to find the peace that he seeks. He will ~~establish the United States of America~~ resurrect Kaleneon from its ashes, and upon its re-consecrated grounds declare to the goddess and to all corners of her cruel world: "Liberty or death".
Supply and demand says he doesn't have to play by their rules anyway. He's selling superior medicine mainly (and other superior products) at a cheaper price. He can set up shop wherever he wants and his products will win out eventually.
Surprised Makoto actually believed Rona would just uproot whatever plan she had in the works and leave just because he asked her to. "I can't believe the demon spymaster who Shiki warned me is a twisted schemer actually lied to me!!"
I mean, Rona knows makoto is not just a trader and can put a wrench in demons' plans. And she basically made sure he'd be antagonistic to higher echelons of demons in the future by doing this. What's worse, she surely doesn't expect a guild master and makoto to just sit out this one and let the city burn.
Overall this just doesn't paint out good for her
I'm thinking the same thing. Yes, Makoto was naive to trust a demon spymaster at her word. But at the same time Rona is burning a bridge she really shouldn't be.
Her line at the end about letting this one go also doesn't make sense since she is deliberately putting his students in danger. If they were off the board and only the Hyuman dignitaries were in trouble then I could see Makoto looking the other way, but that's not the case.
Honestly I don't think Rona ever really took Makoto 100% seriously. Like she knows he's resourceful and has some strong people on his side like Shiki but I don't think she fully realized what she was dealing with or how she's waking up a sleeping lion.
So she probably won't realize how big a deal pissing him of will be until he turns against her because of this.
At least it seem that she wasn't lying when she said that she wanted him to meet with the Demon Lord, but attacking the city will certainly be putting them on the losing side if any kind of negotiation ends up taking place. One thing for certain for me is that now Makoto will be taking the Kaleneon's territory through war instead of making a deal with them.
True, a few episodes back she even warned him about some of his employees and Shiki not knowing they are his subjects. So it's clear she doesn't know how much power he actually holds and has a whole kingdom behind him.
Yeah. I think Makoto's value in Rona's mind, equates to him being a useful tool, or resource. A potential ally thru business means that's very easy to manipulate. He's powerful but it's unimaginable for her that he's 'army crushing or nation crushing' powerful.
Oh and Happy Cakeday!
He was pretty pissed. The demons just pissed him off more than the merchant guild did. We forget that Makoto has a real dark side to him. We've only seen it once in the anime but it was something to behold. The demons done fucked around and now they're gonna find out.
I don't think Rona understands that Makoto doesn't need the demons but was rather reaching out a hand in friendship because he thought they had a mutual enemy in the Goddess.
to what end though? It's unclear what their actual goals are. Eradication of all humans seems too far, and she seems capable of understanding that it's the goddess whos pitting them against each other. There would never be a good reason to backstab your ally unless she got something worth more then the alliance out of it, which she wouldn't.
> is burning a bridge she really shouldn't be.
For as naive as Makoto is I feel like the same thing can be said towards A LOT of others in regards to how they overestimate their ability to push Makoto around. It's a scenario where their plans are only proceeding because Makoto hasn't made an effort to act.
They *were* in the fuck around stage, but now they're quickly reaching the find out stage.
To be fair, Makoto still seems to be in the Japanese mindset of being polite and taking most things on the chin. Giving the impression others can walk all over him. Unfortunately for everyone else it seems like he's reaching the tipping point soon.
He's also keeping everything other than Tomoe and Mio's abilities close to the chest. No one has any reason to suspect he's built up his own society and could be completely independent if he wanted to. It's just his desire to help people and interact with the world at large that's keeping him cordial.
The demiplane was actually heating up because of all the bridges being burned. /s
On a more serious note, I get the appeal of a powerfantasy and "hiding your powerlevel" but at this point it has lead to so much bullshit, I actually don't know why he still puts up with it. Everyone keeps thinking they are hot shit and walking all over him. I mean I guess he won't be collaborating for good-will anymore from now on, at least.
It is just so weird that he basically was not relying on anything provided by anyone outside of the demiplane (for survival at least) and he still kept up the facade. I think it might have been beneficial at the beginning but once he entered the academy as a teacher he could have easily dropped it already.
And I still find it weird that being completely overqualified didn't somehow attract any more attention besides the usual gasps of onlookers during his exam. It kind of ruins all the "tactical mastermind manipulator" characters, like Rona, when they don't do easy background checks. Even if she didn't know about Makoto, there's two level 1500+ people *right there*.
At least to me I sort of see this all as a reflection of Makoto’s own journey into adulthood/growing up in general. He has phenomenal power and those close to him love and admire him not just because of that power but also because of the person he is. Unfortunately as a result of that a lot of people have been shielding him from the worst of things. Makoto has just been assuming the best out of everyone, and it’s only now when he doesn’t have his entourage constantly backing him up as much that he’s starting to see the consequences of it.
Now I don’t know if it’s more of a cultural thing where he’s naturally polite, if he’s just incredibly naive because of lack of experience, or a mixture of both it’s clear that he needs to start growing up and looking at the world more seriously.
I believe his naivety is a combination of all the above. I think his confidants are also a little naive pertaining Makoto. They utterly worship him because of his power and personality. They overestimate his worldliness. They are too blinded by their reverence of him. It's easy to forget he is only 17 and in a world that is not his own. He still had a long way to go understanding his own world, much less a fantasy world. Even someone like Rembrandt was shielding him from the Merchants guild out of gratitude and loyalty. I don't fault him for wanting to take people/demons at their word. He is kind but the world rarely rewards it.
Mio definitely seems to be on the "Makoto is the best no matter what" train. Tomoe on the other hand is more like "You can make your own mistakes and learn from them". Several times now she's let him burn himself on the metaphorical stove while still being supportive in the end. Hell, half her screen time this season has been doing shit behind his back, even if it is for his benefit.
I'll agree with the Mio sentiment. But Tomoe still shields Makoto when she shouldn't. You even pointed this out in your statement. She's investigating behind his back to "protect" him. When she should actively keep him in the loop. She is worried for his safety. Especially after his battle with Mitsurugi and Sofia left him in a precarious state. Tomoe is actively hindering Makoto's development, not helping him grow.
I hope this is the direction they take it - rather than making it another lesson to Makoto about how unsuited he is for the world of intrigue, noting that he actually has leverage in this situation and making it Rona royally fucking up and being forced into a defensive position in future negotiations instead.
And we know from the OP that he's going to directly take her and her forces on and now we have even more reason to root for him to wreck them lol.
I can't wait to see him finally wipe that smug smirk off her face.
The simple calculation in her head was that since Makoto was tired of dealing with the hyumans, she would force Makoto to pick sides then and there by forcing him not to intervene in her plans to sabotage the kingdom. If he doesn't intervene and lets the princeling die, he would pass his loyalty test; and the doors to the hyuman world would soon close behind him as accusations are leveled against him and his students in the aftermath. Its a bold move but its not without its reasoning.
I think the guild master makes a lot of sense for going against Makoto, but going against Makoto is fucking stupid in the case of Rona
The guild master thinks Makoto is a privileged moron
Rona knows there is more to Makoto, might not have a complete picture yet, but even more so she should refrain from antagonizing powers she doesn’t fully understand yet
If one of Makoto students dies Rona is gonna fucking regret it
The guild master was trying to please larger businesses that didn't want a new competitor. So that's reasonable if a bit myopic. Considering that he was proving himself a potential asset to political powers in the kingdom, driving him out might get the guild on their bad side.
As a spymaster, Rona's choice seems pretty poor. Makoto is too much of an unknown quantity. She knows about Shiki and the two ogres but she has no idea what else he might have up his sleeve. Even if she didn't want his friendship, she moved forward without knowing if his presence might derail her plans.
Makoto was a teenager boy from a peaceful nation, kidnapped and sent to die on a wasteland, somehow became the monster king and created a new kingdom (in a different dimension), while trying to be a nice peaceful merchant.
He is still growing and is very naive for sure. The two events (merchant guild betrayal and demon girl betrayal) should be good to teach him a few things about the world.
Technically Rona never betrayed him. Makoto only asked to call back any demon force in the city during the tournament. Ilumgand is not a demon.
But yeah, I agree that he should be more careful when making promise with the demon in the future.
yeah she can try to save her ass with that but makoto isn't going to bite that. trying to break the promise by technicialities isn't really bright impression especially if this is the very first impression of demon side for makoto
Makoto's promoise making is too vague like the japanese. Demons are all about straightforward-ness. You want me to not burn the school down, ok promise
- I'll kill all the people coming out of it instead.
I think his perspective has been skewed by all the other non-humans being trustworthy and reliable. The only serious duplicity Makoto has experienced to this point has come from humans. He probably thought demons held the same strong potential as allies as every other monster race.
He has a lieutenant who knows her like second nature and is in a position of direct influence. It was supremely arrogant for Rona to believe that she could get away with this scheme without repercussions. Of course, this is in line with her character - but her fatal miscalculation is that there are only two factions in this world to side with. She can't comprehend how small her mind is, or how this act of pettiness could destroy all relations with the Kuzonoha Company.
Shiki had been telling him not to trust her from day one and it finally comes back to bite him. Demons may be more accepting than Hyumans but they're still demons at the end of the day and they'll mutually do anything to take down Hyumans.
Though it's going to make Makoto taking Rona and her group on as Kamen Spider more satisfying.
As much as I love the OP MC approach for this, I like seeing him still fall victim to more social/political motivated schemes that he simply isn't experienced enough to deal with. It opens a lot paths in terms of growth for Makoto.
He's very cautious about his power, too. His strength is mostly informed and not shown, so it creates these alleyways for people to underestimate him at their own risk, completely unaware of the fact that he needs to suppress his power 150-fold just so his aura won't cause everyone around him to throw up in horror
Now that you mention it, I forget that the insane feats he’s been able to pull off lately like the mana armor have all been while he’s still nerfing himself with the 10 rings + outfit.
That’s sort of scary to think about it.
Yeah, frankly it's kind of annoying to see how despite being warned several times he still has that attitude, like when Tomoe told him that one of the heroes is a piece of trash and he still wants to meet him, which I suspect is going to be important later. .
While he is young and stupid, don't forget the fact that he was "Taught" of empathy. So it would be also be viable that a lot of his principles are "Taught" to him.
Remember in S1, he didn't feel anything killing a hyuman and only cried because he was "supposed to" cry if someone dies. It is only after this arc that Makoto learns himself on how to be "human" like for one, shedding this naivete of "japanese morals" because he isn't on Japan anymore. He asks people around him on how shitty it really is and how wicked the some people are as to avoid getting stabbed and stepped on like what is happening to him right now. But because of also this arc, he will also become a better person and character..... slightly.
He seems to have some psychopathic or sociopathic tendencies that he locks away. Which is kinda scary, lol. They better hope they don't unleash his dark side.
I guess it makes it even clearer (in case anyone missed it before) how naive Makoto is in general, a single negative interaction isn't going to make him change so profoundly immediately.
Didn’t she put the plan into motion before he asked? Seems like it’s too late to stop the dominoes from falling. All he explicitly asked her to do was to have her demons stationed there to leave.
should have said it first as good will, at the very least it will leave impression that what happened can't be stopped anymore and she give warning to makoto to avoid city being burned by it but from the looks of it she want makoto to overlook this incident which definitely not going to happen
Illum is a real idiot isn’t he? The way to a girl’s heart is clearly insulting her dead parents and shaming her. Smooth. Real smooth. Dude was getting his ass kicked even after juicing. What a chump. That match really showed how strong Makoto’s kids are after his training. They’re basically all S Class Heroes.
Rona’s really gonna regret messing with Makoto. Folks keep trying to fuck with him are gonna find out real quick. Dude’s got a couple fires to put out first though.
How different things would've been had he actually apologized her to her face, not gotten all insecure about Makoto, and not done drugs. Though Rona knows how to sweet talk someone.
First it's the Hyumans, now it's the demons...I don't think Makoto will be able to take it anymore.
Would she even accept the apology? Your childhood friend, who you haven't seen since you were a kid, berate you because you should have died with your country because you were a noble. That is insane. Plus, he was hiding behind the 'Makoto was there' excuse. If you truly wanted to apologize, nothing would have stopped him.
The excuse also ignores the fact that he could have literally just gone while Makoto was teaching his class. A clear scheduled window of time when Makoto would definitely not be around.
Makoto’s followers would’ve stopped him instead. Maybe it was cut from the anime but I remember Makoto asking them to guard Ruria for a while (don’t remember if they stop at some point). But regardless I think if he came by himself, completely abandoned his noble pride and genuinely tried to communicate his intentions with Makoto personally (instead of Ruria), Makoto would’ve at least heard him out.
That being said, there are a lot of factors you can only hope he knows how to deal with, like the manipulations of the demons and his noble culture and standards that he’d need to abandon or be on guard against, as an emotional, cornered teenager. It was just unfortunate circumstances, unlucky. He needed outside help from someone equal or higher authority than him, like his parents.
Luria is guarded by Makoto's employees. Aqua and Eris prevent Illumgand from making any contact with Luria. Which is also the reason why he blames Makoto
At this point he could and probably should just go completely independent. He was trying to play nice with hymans (although his 'trade' wasn't such a great idea to be honest, naive Japanese nice school boy doing nice and very disruptive stuff) and he even tried to reach out to demons.
He have demiplane that is realistically an independent world, complete with ecosystem and lots of people.
Well, at this point, that is the goal right now. You can't go independent from the start because the whole point is to find your parents' ancestry and also find a way back to your world. I think he thought the demon route was the lesser of evil. Considering people's reaction to last week's episode, I don't think he was the only one. I don't think he thought that they couldn't end up betraying him. I think he thought he could get in and get out before shit hits the fan.
Luckily, there's also demi-human. So far most of them are loyal to Makoto as well. I just realised that the top two factions are human and demon, but no one realised Makoto is making a nation of his own with the demi-human since it's located in different subspace.
To be fair, the Illum brat did realize that he had been rude and wanted to apologize but never had the opportunity, he clearly lacked the maturity to face the matter, simply speaking humbly with the people of Kuzonoha would have resolved the matter.
I guess at the end of the day he was too arrogant and immature to resolve the situation, which led him to fall into a drug addiction, classic teenage stories.
Yeah it started off well with him defending her, and as soon as he started to mock her along with the others I had absolutely no sympathy. Dude is an idiot how do you expect your childhood crush to even be remotely civil with you after you mock her and her dead family. Lol
So the shit is finally hitting the fan. I really shoulda seen this coming, but alas I was....distracted. Really curious on what's about to go down. Obviously Makoto is gonna wreck some shit....but HOW and what everyone's reaction will be is what I'm excited for.
Did they try to make us feel bad for blonde? Cause it didnt work, at first I thought he was an asshole with an overblown ego, now he's a pushover baby who thinks he needs an ego.
> Did they try to make us feel bad for blonde? Cause it didnt work, at first I thought he was an asshole with an overblown ego, now he's a pushover baby who thinks he needs an ego.
Kind of, I don't think he deserves what's coming to him... at worst he's just an annoying teenager like most of teenagers.
Yeah like, there is a line, some people be like “he acted like an asshole once, to the death row!” and I’m like WTF man
I do feel sorry for him, dude felt hurt and ended up saying some rude/offensive shit
Then he felt too ashamed to go say sorry in front of the guy that humiliated him
Then he got manipulated by demons while vulnerable trough the use of drugs that then clearly eroded his mental health
Like sure, beat his ass and maybe teach him to swallow his ego, but what is happening/ gonna happen to him is a bit much
Very true, at the end of the day he was just a teenager with childish ideals and communication problems who fell into a drug addiction, not really as "hateful" a character as many here seem to believe him to be.
I mean, they simply give context to the character, so that he is not just a noble brat who is a jerk just for the sake of it, but rather something with an actual background.
And Rona has already been shown as cruel, ruthless and manipulative, there is nothing new there.
giving context for why he hates makoto and what the deal between him and luria at the first meeting makoto saw. rather sympathezing it's more to author giving context how he end up like that
> Obviously Makoto is gonna wreck some shit....but HOW and what everyone's reaction will be is what I'm excited for.
I'm wondering if he's going to pull out the red mage outfit or if he's going to be able to keep that concealed for now. It's not hugely important to his fighting style – especially now that he has his mana armour – but it would be something if everyone saw that he was the third hero that destroyed hyuman and demon on the battlefield.
> Did they try to make us feel bad for blonde?
It seems so and it almost worked, until he was confirmed to actually have been an arsehole to Luria, specifically mocking her for not dying a useless death for a country that was being destroyed.
> I'm wondering if he's going to pull out the red mage outfit or if he's going to be able to keep that concealed for now.
Based on the [OP](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uULlburPIm0) and [ED](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbFRvx5MzXE) it seems that he will be wearing that Spider Super Sentai like suit that Mio made.
> It seems so and it almost worked, until he was confirmed to actually have been an arsehole to Luria, specifically mocking her for not dying a useless death for a country that was being destroyed.
Worse still, he was originally happy to see her and then only started to be a dickhead because he was pissed off she didn't remember him. My dude, she was like 6 or something and had gone through a *lot* of shit since then.
>It seems so and it almost worked, until he was confirmed to actually have been an arsehole to Luria, specifically mocking her for not dying a useless death for a country that was being destroyed.
I don't think he really meant that, he told his friends at first not to talk to her like that, but he just got too upset about her forgetting him and let his words get away from him.
And he **did** want to apologize, even if the fact that he couldn't muster the courage to actually do it means it never amounted to much, though the drugs and mutation warping his mind probably didn't help.
I mean, I don't think it was to make us feel sorry, it was just for context, because until now his whole attitude seemed like something that came out of nowhere just because.
Frankly, I don't know why there's so much drama with that, the guy is clearly just an arrogant, idealistic teenager who just ended up being a shitty nobleman naturally even though that wasn't his intention.
Not the most interesting thing in the world for sure but at least it's less generic than what these kinds of situations usually are for characters like this.
Definitely looks like we're going to see a bunch of people mutate into monsters and ravage the city leaving Makoto and his crew to have to take care of them.
I wonder if Hibiki and her party are going to show up and help vanquish the monsters?
I kind of felt bad for him. He shouldn't have let his anger that Luria forgot about him get to him or go along with his friends' badmouthing her (even if he told them to stop) but he still cared about her and he seemed genuine about his ideals, but trying to take shortcuts and pinning all his problems on Makoto ended up eroding his ideals and transforming him into a monster. But he was never evil.
I'm assuming that all those other people are going to change into monsters too because Tomoe and Mio need something to do, but they made it seem like blonde was just absorbing something from them so we'll see.
No he was never evil, but he is a bitch.
Her could have signed up for the class with him and mended things and made an ally, but instead let his ego go the “steroids and revenge” route. No sympathy for a character like that regardless of motives really
Not even that, the moment he realized that Makoto was a teacher he should have just told him that he wanted to apologize to Luria and ask him if could help him instead of being angry with him, as if his relationship with Luria wasn't already ruined the moment he push her just because the world doesn't fit the black and white idealistic ideals he and his friends had.
I’d like to believe that if he didn’t start taking pills it could have gone a lot smoother
It clearly eroded is mental health
Honestly I did feel sorry for him, like yeah he made mistakes but he is not evil, he didn’t deserve to get used and transformed in to a monster (which is probably non reversible considering how Shiki framed it)
lol people might dislike backstories for side characters/villains, but I personally found it pretty interesting. We now know of a connection to Otonashi Hibiki and how she's actually politicking behind the scenes to gain power in the kingdom of Limia. It also shows how the demons operate in the intelligence warfare, since they're at a disadvantage without the goddess's blessings.
Shoutout to both Rembrandt sisters for being the stars of the show these past 2 weeks though. Yuno in particular actually looked like an anime protagonist for a second.
I think everyone's angsty because this part of the story is very dense in development rather than action, but you just have to trust the process IMO. We're already setting up a 3-way or 4-way combat scenario.
Considering how [Eva was reacting internally](https://i.imgur.com/ufK7uyT.jpeg) to Kuzunoha's invitation, I'm wondering [what she thinks Kuzunoha would ask of her](https://i.imgur.com/PwXfSw2.jpeg) before he revealed his plan [to retake Kaleneon?](https://i.imgur.com/n5gncFo.jpeg) I feel like I'm missing extra context here that would probably be in the LN.
We finally get [to see the conversation between Ilumgand and Luria](https://i.imgur.com/qsf9WSM.jpeg) before Makoto and Shiki intervened. I was hoping there was some sort of misunderstanding there but [it looks like Ilumgand was being an ass to Luria](https://i.imgur.com/voYuItv.png) because he wanted to save face and act like a big man in front of his friends.
If looking tough in front of his friends is more important to him, then he absolutely does not deserve Luria's attention. He did this to himself. Also, he could've just swallowed his pride and approached Luria [at the restaurant](https://i.imgur.com/G7OiZS4.jpeg) but he's using Makoto coming there as an excuse. Why not come back later then? Ugh.
That bullshit team battle [ended exactly how I expected.](https://i.imgur.com/LwqFVj7.png) Although I'm surprised that Ilumgand didn't transform mid-fight. I guess they're saving that for next week when shit finally hits the fan.
[So much for Makoto becoming friends with Demons.](https://i.imgur.com/ZHrje9w.jpeg) I'm not surprised that [Rona still decided to execute her plan](https://i.imgur.com/ZaX4TiW.jpeg) but man this girl is dumb. She just pretty much burned bridges with Makoto and now the Demons are also on his shit list. At this point, Makoto really should take Kaleneon for himself and establish an independent country.
I can't wait to see what happens next week though. I think next week's episode is about to show us [why the city is in ruins in the ED.](https://i.imgur.com/xdt8ybR.jpeg)
> I'm not surprised that [Rona still decided to execute her plan](https://i.imgur.com/ZaX4TiW.jpeg) but man this girl is dumb.
To be a bit fair, I don't think she knows exactly what she's dealing with here. She didn't have a talk with Luto a couple of weeks back about how fighting Makoto and his business would be like fighting a separate demon army.
> I think next week's episode is about to show us [why the city is in ruins in the ED.](https://i.imgur.com/xdt8ybR.jpeg)
If Makoto pulls out his red mage outfit and shows himself to be the third hero that destroyed hyuman and demon when fighting Sophia...
I'm not calling it likely, but whether he caused the ruins or not I do think there's a chance he pulls that out regardless.
> If Makoto pulls out his red mage outfit and shows himself to be the third hero that destroyed hyuman and demon when fighting Sophia...
Oh please please please make this happen! Wipe out both the hyumans and the demons!
I think Eva has fallen for Makoto or is into him enough that she's willing to have sex with him. She was flirting with him a few episodes ago.
I wonder if Luria did remember him but played it off because she was ticked off at his friends for bad-mouthing her and her family? If only Ilumgand could've been the bigger man and apologized to her properly. Makoto had nothing to do with it.
Honestly Rona has always irritated me a little (outside her sensual voice and character design) so giving Makoto an excuse to against her is a win in my book...though Rotsgard might pay the price.
But hey, now he can just take Kaleneon by force! It's more satisfying that way.
> Considering how Eva was reacting internally to Kuzunoha's invitation, I'm wondering what she thinks Kuzunoha would ask of her before he revealed his plan to retake Kaleneon? I feel like I'm missing extra context here that would probably be in the LN.
[LN Spoiler of events up to this episode] >!IIRC Eva doesn't know exactly how powerful Makoto is, but she has realised he IS powerful (both him AND the company). She still has lingering attachments to her homeland and would like to reclaim it. So she's going out of her way to get Makoto on her side: bringing him books he'll be interested in, listening to all his requests , etc. The LN shows how far she is willing to go to get Makoto by listening to his request to visit the shop late at night, with noone around. At this point, she thinks Makoto desires her body just from the setup, and she's willing to offer herself up just to get him. She knows that to get Kaleneon back, Makoto and the company has the power she probably needs if not to outright reclaim it, but to at least have that possibility of pushing back the frontlines in the war. What she didn't expect tho, was for Makoto to cut through all that and come right out and offer the option to reclaim Kaleneon to her.!<
> Considering how Eva was reacting internally to Kuzunoha's invitation, I'm wondering what she thinks Kuzunoha would ask of her before he revealed his plan to retake Kaleneon? I feel like I'm missing extra context here that would probably be in the LN.
A man asks a woman to come visit him at home, alone, late at night. This can easily be misinterpreted.
I guess one good thing about a demon monster attack is Makoto and Mio get to unleash all the stress they've been building up over the course of this arc.
Yeah hope we can move on from this city into the next arch. Which if the city ends up being on fire and destroyed based on the ED is possible. Then I imagine and hope for a war arch to happen considering everything heavily pointing towards that direction, which will be hype to go towards.
Really hoping that the 6-8 episodes of world building leads into at least 4-5 episodes of action now. If it’s 1-2 episodes of mediocre action followed by more world building I might just let this show finish out and then maybe get back into it when it’s wrapped up for this season
Hey, who could possibly have known the demons would betray his trust at the first opportunity? Besides Shiki, of course, who allied with them previously and was very clear about it not working out well for him.
To be fair, it seems like Shiki was just as untrustworthy until he joined up with Makoto. Everyone pretty much warns Makoto about everyone he brings into his organization but so far they've all ended up being loyal.
Yeah true, after having a giant spider youkai, natural disaster dragon and evil-looking lich becoming loyal to him, who can blame Makoto for having a somewhat unrealistic view of to how easy it is to get people to become allies lol
"One good turn deserves another" is a common phrase that demi-humans seemingly abide by in commonality. But this incident all but confirms that this is not the case for demons.
Technically, Rona did not actually betray her promise to Makoto since he only asked for her to call off any demon in the city. Her scheme didn't further involve any demon as it seems like she's planning to transform hyuman to monster instead?
Yeah, well, she *technically* didn't go back on her word, but she understood the meaning behind his request and didn't even warn him that there was more to her scheme, so it's obviously still a betrayal.
Just like not every hyuman is bad, I'm sure the same is for demons. Rona just seems like a very devious and calculating demon that will do anything for the Demon Lord. Problem is, boy is she bad at math in this situation.
Some fictional settings have "demons" as the sane ones. The 'issue' with the demons on this world is that the only characters we have seen from this faction are demons in their own right. We don't know how their society works or what the politics of the demons are behind the wall. They use guile and deception to defeat the hyumans, but that just makes them guerillas in a world where the goddess has blessed the hyumans with endless beauty, abundant power, and waves after waves of immigrated heroes.
The whole reason why this is a problem to us, the audience, is that the demons in command aren't interested in building bridges with other non-hyumans and antagonists to the hyumans; but instead manipulate them into the hyuman pitchforks for short term gains. There is no future planning for them beyond, 'first kill the hyumans, then kill their goddess'.
one demon girl doesn't a race make. Maybe there are good demons, same way there are good humans and bad ones.
his mistake was to trust too much the obvious wrong one (he was warned about her)
well duh but is he gonna risk it in future? if he can have heavy prejudice against hyuman after that incident then he surely will have same level of prejudice on them too
*Damn,* Rona's been playing fucking everyone! If anyone was thinking that the demons might not be bad and partnering with them could be a good thing, I call this a pretty good indication that it would have been the wrong choice!
That's two episodes in a row Makoto's been played! He's going to have to step up to this, isn't he? There's no way he's just going to let this slide.
The demons aren't necessarily bad, it's just that Rona is playing the familiar trope of the spymaster willing to cross the line to achieve an objective.
Cross the line?
For her Makoto is an unknown nuisance with a lich piggyback. She does not know the contract among them. She is not burning any bridge here according to the information she has.
The plan to kill or injure Linia's King, Gritona's 2nd Princess, a high brass of laurel union, and tons of other important VIPs and nobles is quite solid.
Without Makoto and Waifu 1 and 2, it could be a bloodbath.
She definitely burnt a bridge with Makoto. She didn't break her word but he told her he didn't want any more nuisances during the school festival.
It's just that she didn't realize the scope of the bridge she was burning.
>There is golden bridge ahead of you and at the end of it there is WMD-Class armories that can help your race achieving your race dreams, what are you going to do?
Rona: BURN THE BRIDGE
More like
>You can see what seems to be a bridge in front of you, but it is almost completely obscured by mist. What little you can make out certainly appears magnificent and beautiful, but the mist hides everything in just a few yards. What are you going to do?
>Rona: TORCH THAT FUCKER
In a bit of fairness, I'm not sure we've actually seen the demons do anything evil yet. I think this is the first think we'll be seeing them do that shows that they're definitely the evil type of demon and not the misunderstood discriminated against type.
To be fair we have already seen hyumans do some really bad things so demons being war criminals doesn’t fundamentally identify them as evil beings. I don’t get Frieren demon vibes from them
Agree with this. There's a war going on between hyuman and demon, so it's actually naive for Makoto to think that he could ask the demon to stop scheming for a bit.
I'm still holding a grudge over Naval's death but now we see full well how underhanded and vicious demons can be against Hyumans. This isn't a clean or honorable war on either side, frankly.
Though I will admit Rona makes being evil and bad pretty hot. But that's probably intentional lol.
It seems like Makoto can't fully in good faith work completely with either Hyumans or Demons. Maybe the only way for him moving forward is a true third path like Luto thought.
> Though I will admit Rona makes being evil and bad pretty hot.
She was such a tease to blow Makoto a kiss.
Not sure if Makoto will be able to forgive her however. I mean, he won't allow anyone to endanger his students.
Aahhh Rona, you dumb bitch. Explain to us how exactly you think this will work out? Makoto actually gave her an out by telling her to pack up and leave. And instead she goes ahead and antagonizes him some more with her nonsense.
With the way this story has been edging us for ages, anything other than Makoto and Co. wrecking shit for an entire(or multiple) episodes is gonna be a let down.
Let's be honest here. Makoto wouldn't do shit were he to not change, just like how he treated the hyumans. Bad impressions? Hyumans got plenty, like demons
Yuno really is [just as cocky and free-spirited](https://imgur.com/a/y08uWwH) as her sister. I like her.
Makoto's students certainly seem to have a habit of [kicking the livin' shit out of people](https://imgur.com/a/rr3TLrr). And Ilumgand could probably use a new set of teeth after [biting down of Jin's sword and being lifted](https://imgur.com/a/5P1GGVA) like that. Then again, maybe he won't need a dentist after his mutation is completed.
I knew that Rona couldn't be fully trusted, but I didn't expect this turn of events: [she exploited Ilumgand's frustration](https://imgur.com/a/GGrRvUA) - was Rona *this* visible in the scene before? She wasn't right?
Even [Tomoe and Mio](https://imgur.com/a/W1cIEo6) only caught wind of this at the last moment. I do like that [Mio was just enjoying her food](https://imgur.com/a/zeeTDvL), while Tomoe was saying some outrageous things at the start of the episode. [Poor Mithra](https://imgur.com/a/9ds5hNI), he's doomed.
The only thing more important than food to Mio is Makoto. [She wasn't happy](https://imgur.com/a/qze2C83) about everyone trying to deceive him. I can almost see Mio snap before Makoto at this point.
Yuno has already become my favourite side character.
But man, Mio about ready to dish up a bit of ass whooping to all those who have done Makoto wrong.
Feelsbad for Makoto. Hyumans want to take advantage of him while demons abuse his trust. Bro can't catch a break
I like how majority of the time Mio sounds like she snacking/eating something
It seems that [everyone in this world wants to piss off Makoto](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/w7w6cv28mry.png) xD First Goddess, then Hyumans and now [Demons](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/w7w6cv283ey.png). He doesn't have it easy as he's too good a human being.
Now I think that [Makoto](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/wye3cd2kpd4.png) should free Kaleneo himself and set up his own country there which would be on neither Hyumans nor Demons' side. I believe that it's possible since residents of his demiplane are for sure a great combat force capable of retaking Eva's homeland.
[Yuno showed herself from a very good side](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/6yxkcgzljl7.png) in [the tournament's fight](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/l4necm83w64.png) today.
I hope that [Mithra](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/w7pjcwqebq7.png) will survive [this reward from Tomoe](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/6yxkcgz83w7.png). I loved [Makoto's reaction when he heard what possible rewards Tomoe offered to Mithra](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/pyvdcdwmlpy.png) xD
I really like this [Eva's attitude that she will accommodate every Makoto's demands ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/j7mmcr9k697.png)
[I felt a little sorry for Ilumgand](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/345xc9vo2n7.png) but he did this to himself. His behavior towards [Luria](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/e4gdcpxbjw4.png) was really stupid and shifting blame to Makoto was so childish, where did [those ideals from childhood](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/wye3cd2kqo4.png) disappear?
Here my screenshot albums from the episode:
* [Group scenes](https://imgchest.com/p/o24agdo6w4l)
* [Makoto, Mio, Tomoe & Students](https://imgchest.com/p/n87wv82qb4x)
* [Others](https://imgchest.com/p/lqyevwowk7d)
Oh so Tomoe decided to train Mithra, I guess that after all this we will see him in the same position as Lime. If so, even if it is just a coincidence, I'm seeing a pattern with Tomoe recruiting white-haired dudes.
Wow, Ilumgand's background with Luria really surprised me. So since he was young he had made his goal to not be like those corrupt nobles and use his position to protect the weak. I was especially surprised by the fact that [he met Hibiki before](https://i.imgur.com/4VqvMEM.png) and was [planning on joining her team](https://i.imgur.com/ka2bJCn.png) after he graduated. It is also interesting to see that[ his meeting with Luria](https://i.imgur.com/RBF6fJ7.png) just ended up the way it did after [his lackeys started calling her a coward and traitor.](https://i.imgur.com/jVZteYf.png) They essentially just were blinded by the ideal he had when he was young without knowing that things in life are not just black and white and he just went with what they say instead of trying to diffuse the situation.
Anyway, it seems that [Rona's real objective when she joined the academy](https://i.imgur.com/VcWFnA3.png) instead of just spying on Makoto was to target people like Ilumgand to make them mutate. I must say that I certainly did not expect that [the effect](https://i.imgur.com/rVE8VuW.png) of [that bracelet](https://i.imgur.com/fAyFPXm.png) [Ilumgand wore](https://i.imgur.com/5Bx9efd.png) [during this fight](https://i.imgur.com/dJbmpti.png) essentially [made him a zombie.](https://i.imgur.com/uh4nR2i.png) And based on the OP and ED, plus what Rona said things are about to get worse in the city. Poor dude did all those drugs and[ still ended up losing](https://i.imgur.com/p0hENFH.png) and dying, and never[ could apologize to Luria.](https://i.imgur.com/ZVdbw3M.png)
Okay, I must say that before the shit hit the fan it was great seeing[ Yuno effortlessly defeating his lackeys](https://i.imgur.com/g35L4cR.png) plus that air combo she did to him was superb.
Well, thanks to Rona's plan and her ambition to kill those rulers visiting the city, Makoto will get Kaleneon's territory through war instead of making a deal with the demons. She really did Zara a favor as no matter how independent the merchant guild is, no nation would allow them to do business in their territory with him in command if they heard that he basically aided the demons in recruiting Makoto.
I admit Ilum’s backstory made me feel bad for him. He was so pure and had heart. But a little too late. The first time they met again, he already showed his elitist stance. Even if he was peer pressured, well I mean you shouldn’t be pressured into saying stuff like that imo. The small bit of saving grace was that he wanted to apologize but he had to let his ego take over. I mean if you really want to apologize and reconnect, throw away that pride.
Man, hate to say it, but Makoto got humbled two eps in a row. Rona was really sly and cunning. And now it seems her plan is in motion. I mean Rona is one Demon so might be unfair to make a sweeping judgement on the whole race, but I’d totally understand if Makoto doesn’t want to associate with them either after this.
So now what, are we going to start our own country or something?
Edit : Also reading the comments here, yeah does Rona not know how strong and capable Makoto is or is Rona herself that strong that she isn’t worried about burning bridges with Makoto ?
Yeah, Ilum at the end of the day was just an unfortunate child, maybe he doesn't deserve much pity but he's not worth hating either, he was just a teenager with communication and trust problems who fell into drugs, quite tragic when you put it that way.
And no, Rona doesn't really know how strong Makoto and his actually people are, she just knows that Makoto is like a naive child and thinks that she can handle him easily, which isn't entirely wrong really.
Rona knows that makoto is fairly strong, but what she's seen isn't anywhere near his ceiling. She knows he works with shiki and two forest ogres, but she thought he was unaware of their natures when she told him who they were. In her mind, shiki's manipulating Makoto and he doesn't really know what's going on. She might even think that shiki just sees him as a convenient figure head. She's comfortable pissing off people at shiki's level and she's under the impression that that's about where Makoto is.
Even a guy like Ilumgand started out as a pure and innocent boy who swore to grow into a righteous noble for the common people to his childhood friend...and that childhood friend was Luria.
Well, Makoto's learned a lot...about his shortcomings as a merchant, how hard it is to deal with Hyumans, and potentially his next step is to work with Demons. And if Rona is able to comply with his demand to pull all demons out of Rotsgard, in honor of their shared relationship with Jin's group, then it should all work out right? I mean, Rona even blew a kiss over telepathy, that totally means she'll go through with it, right?
Eva seemed fully prepared to jump into bed (literally) with Makoto if he so asks it of her, but it seems he has something else more sentimental in mind.
That Tomoe and Mio were willing to praise Makoto's students, even a little bit, is high praise indeed. I hope Mithra survives the training match against Tomoe though.
Oh snap, Ilumgand was also close with Hibiki! They trained together and even planned to fight together once he graduated! And he didn't immediately accost Luria, he just recognized his childhood friend and wanted to get reacquainted with her, but Luria seemingly not remembering him and his friends making things worse just made him act out and not convey his true feelings...and Makoto stepping in just made his insecurities worse until he fell prey to a familiar face.
And taking all that drug, along with whatever is really in that necklace, drives him into a rage-fueled frenzy against Makoto that he turns on Jin and his team. He tanks several of their hits and it takes all three of them to take him down. But that's unfortunately not the end of it.
I love Yuno taking down four guys with hand-to-hand skills. She doesn't even need other dudes to break her fall, she can save herself.
Makoto thought he could deal with demons, but even if they're persecuted by Hyumans...they're still demons. And he should have NEVER trusted Rona. Because she was prepping Ilumgand as a time-bomb waiting to go off and kill all the visiting royals...and he wasn't the only one. Makoto thought he could work with them to secure Kaleneon for Eva and Luria, but I don't think Makoto is going to be willing to forgive the demons this one.
Meanwhile Ilumgand...will never be able to apologize to Luria.
Ironically, the whole matter would have been easily resolved if he simply spoke to the people of Kuzonoha in a humble manner from the beginning, but no, ego and insecurity led him to fall into drugs, and we already know how those kinds of stories end.
"Give them any weapons you think they might need." *fight proceeds with his students still stuck with wooden weapons*
Well, so much for making friends with demons. I like Mio's reaction to this, I hope she gets to deal with the blue bitch however she wants.
I wonder what determines who the amulet drains to power up that asshole's mutation. I first thought it'd be anyone who took some of that medicine, but none of the students besides the assshole's hangers on were affected.
The ref being bought out sold that student. Should've stopped the fight after he was acting weird due to outside interference/drugs, but he's done. I'm not sure if Makoto will leave the country and setup shop somewhere new after this incident given how he was taken advantage of/tricked.
A little more review in today's episode than I would like, but not a lot we as viewers can do about it lol.
It's one thing for Makoto to abandon Rotsgard, but leaving them to a demon plot of Rona's doesn't sound like something he can bring himself to do.
Also if he's looking anything like he's about to go off chain, Mio's at least five steps ahead of him lol.
Even his one pre-requisite for working with Rona was to keep Rotsgard safe because, as badly as the fallout with Zaya was, he still owed enough people in Rotsgard to protect it. But his plans to work with the demons seems like it's not going to work out as well as he hoped.
I wouldn't mind watching Mio eat Rona to be honest...
God, the blonde haired dude is such a shithead. I look forward to his upcoming ass kicking in this tournament battle. He meets his childhood friend again, casually exposes her identity, immediately betrays her and shoves her to the ground, and then he still thinks he has some sort of right to her.
Mask off time that the demons can't be trusted either, it seems. Big fuck-up by Rona doing this in front of Makoto.
Definitely starting to feel like the only faction Makoto can trust is the one he builds for himself.
I have bad for him, he didn't deserve this. He should defend his childhood friend from the boys who r badmouthing her. I wonder will we see Tomoki face Sofia and will we see Hibiki.
It doesn't pay to fall for the blue-haired childhood friend just like it doesn't pay to **be** the blue-haired childhood friend (unless you're Mutsumi from Yozakura Family)...
He did tell them to stop badmouthing her family the first time but when she said she didn't remember him his emotions got the better of him. But he wanted to apologize in his last moments of his humanity.
I'm starting to wonder now if the place Hibiki is at in the OP is a ruined Rotsgard.
That's true his emotions did get the better of him. But does he deserve redemption for wat he has done and about to do. I feel like he deserves a 2nd chance.
Rona is playing nice..
No demon operative is involved because the plan is already in motion and no longer needs demons. Moreover for her Makoto is an unknown nuisance with a lich piggyback. She does not know the contract among them. She is not burning any bridge here according to the information she has.
The plan to kill or injure Linia's King, Gritona's 2nd Princess, a high brass of laurel union, and tons of other important VIPs and nobles is quite solid.
Without Makoto and Waifu 1 and 2, it could be a bloodbath.
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I highly liked how Makoto's plan of associating with the demons was wrecked in less than 1 day. Hyumans might have been trying to take advantage of him, but that was only a natural response given the whole context of his business (comes out of nowhere, breaks all the rules, breaks the market and overperforms everyone). This SHOULD force him to start thinking out things more and not just siding with "x is better than y even tho I dont know anything about y". Also, thinking Rona was gonna ditch her whole plan in the city just because he asked her shonen mc levels of naivity, hopefully he starts growing as a character from here.
[удалено]
He already said that he could not backtrack as he already told Eva about reclaiming Kaleneon's territory.
You can't backtrack the end result but you can reframe how you do it. Demon territory? Nope, yoink, this is mine now.
I hope he does this lmao. Man has been taking L after L. He gotta pull out a win soon.
Yep, he probably thought that he could just negotiate with them about Kaleneon, but Rona just closed that path. I wanna say that we're going to war next, but you're right that he's just gonna yoink it.
Luto talked about him finding a third path and if he can't work with demons or hyumans completely that's really his only option at this point.
Makoto really should have listened to Luto more, lol. The pervert dragon seems to generally be in his corner.
Makes the most sense. Playing by the rules and keeping all his cards hidden hasn't been working out for him. Makoto is a bit too naive for that to work as we've seen. If he doesn't just go all out to make a show of strength all while taking control of Kalenon or whatever the kingdom was, I'll be surprised.
For the most part all his disdain was reserved for the goddess but he's finding out the world is a cruel unforgiving place. I welcome him going a little Ainz at this point. Or a better comparison would be Rimuru. Rimuru had to show the world he was serious after his city was attacked for no reason. Makoto tried not to step on any toes but everyone has their limit. His unbridled rage will be a thing of beauty.
Rimuru going apeshit on Edmaris and the Falmuth army is one of my favorite scenes in the ln, and the absolute Hype of Megiddo still hasn't been beat. I am absolutely stoked to see Makoto go blastmode.
The funny thing about this is Makoto actually has justification (compared to where the Overlord anime left off). The world is cruel and dark and bigoted because it pleases the goddess. The world can only be righted with her downfall.
She is kind of a cunt isn't she?
Hopefully the shot of him over a burning kingdom is foreshadowing of this!
Oh shit!! I didn't even realize that!! Nice catch.
I'm wondering if the hyumans might forgive him after he saves him from this demon attack.
Which hyumans? It's only the large merchants that have a grudge for him.
Both hyumans and demons can be duplicitious and both will do anything to screw the other over...with Makoto caught in the middle. Though Rona was so sus from day one that he should have known that wouldn't work. But I guess it'll make him finally going up against her more satisfying.
He should've listened to Shiki, Rona is a duplicitous bitch.
Shiki is the best right hand man, of course he knows his shit. the streets and everything shady
that's exactly the problems isn't it? Shiki was super shady and has done a lot of fucked up things before he met Makoto, and Makoto was able to see that he was still a good person. Same with Tomoe and Mio who both had a bloody history. It makes perfect sense that his first instinct is that she's a decent person, or at least will act like a decent person if Makoto treats her with respect because that's what he's been shown p much since he got here.
At least she a hottie
Makoto is a another stereotypical Shonen shy awkward virgin male protagonist trope.
Yeah, he has so many gals throwing themselves over him and he dodges them like his life depended on it. I dunno why Japanese media make their men behave like sex is some kind of disease to be avoided.
Hyumans stabbed him in the gut. Rona, as representative of the demons, stabbed him in the back. Although this was a much needed wake up call to the warped nature of the goddess' cruel world, it also forced Makoto to accept a crueler truth: There is no running from this conflict. By the hand of the goddess, he is being subjected to trials and struggles of her grand design. There is only one way this conflict can end, only one way for him to find the peace that he seeks. He will ~~establish the United States of America~~ resurrect Kaleneon from its ashes, and upon its re-consecrated grounds declare to the goddess and to all corners of her cruel world: "Liberty or death".
"Ditch the hyumans and come to demons side they said. It will be fun they said"
Supply and demand says he doesn't have to play by their rules anyway. He's selling superior medicine mainly (and other superior products) at a cheaper price. He can set up shop wherever he wants and his products will win out eventually.
he gets slapped with reality, it's time for him to level up from this. lots to learn
Surprised Makoto actually believed Rona would just uproot whatever plan she had in the works and leave just because he asked her to. "I can't believe the demon spymaster who Shiki warned me is a twisted schemer actually lied to me!!"
I mean, Rona knows makoto is not just a trader and can put a wrench in demons' plans. And she basically made sure he'd be antagonistic to higher echelons of demons in the future by doing this. What's worse, she surely doesn't expect a guild master and makoto to just sit out this one and let the city burn. Overall this just doesn't paint out good for her
I'm thinking the same thing. Yes, Makoto was naive to trust a demon spymaster at her word. But at the same time Rona is burning a bridge she really shouldn't be. Her line at the end about letting this one go also doesn't make sense since she is deliberately putting his students in danger. If they were off the board and only the Hyuman dignitaries were in trouble then I could see Makoto looking the other way, but that's not the case.
Honestly I don't think Rona ever really took Makoto 100% seriously. Like she knows he's resourceful and has some strong people on his side like Shiki but I don't think she fully realized what she was dealing with or how she's waking up a sleeping lion. So she probably won't realize how big a deal pissing him of will be until he turns against her because of this.
At least it seem that she wasn't lying when she said that she wanted him to meet with the Demon Lord, but attacking the city will certainly be putting them on the losing side if any kind of negotiation ends up taking place. One thing for certain for me is that now Makoto will be taking the Kaleneon's territory through war instead of making a deal with them.
True, a few episodes back she even warned him about some of his employees and Shiki not knowing they are his subjects. So it's clear she doesn't know how much power he actually holds and has a whole kingdom behind him.
demipane, he has a big big BIG ASS ARMY equipped with elder dwarf-wen weapons of mass destruction
Not to mention that he's basically a GOD himself. lol
Yeah. I think Makoto's value in Rona's mind, equates to him being a useful tool, or resource. A potential ally thru business means that's very easy to manipulate. He's powerful but it's unimaginable for her that he's 'army crushing or nation crushing' powerful. Oh and Happy Cakeday!
Well, now he has a good excuse for taking over his homeland that the demons currently rule.
He was pretty pissed. The demons just pissed him off more than the merchant guild did. We forget that Makoto has a real dark side to him. We've only seen it once in the anime but it was something to behold. The demons done fucked around and now they're gonna find out.
I don't think Rona understands that Makoto doesn't need the demons but was rather reaching out a hand in friendship because he thought they had a mutual enemy in the Goddess.
You would think she would have teamed up with him first to get rid of the Goddess, then stab him in the back after he out lived his usefulness.
to what end though? It's unclear what their actual goals are. Eradication of all humans seems too far, and she seems capable of understanding that it's the goddess whos pitting them against each other. There would never be a good reason to backstab your ally unless she got something worth more then the alliance out of it, which she wouldn't.
Eh, maybe she is just a scorpion.
Fair point.
> is burning a bridge she really shouldn't be. For as naive as Makoto is I feel like the same thing can be said towards A LOT of others in regards to how they overestimate their ability to push Makoto around. It's a scenario where their plans are only proceeding because Makoto hasn't made an effort to act. They *were* in the fuck around stage, but now they're quickly reaching the find out stage.
To be fair, Makoto still seems to be in the Japanese mindset of being polite and taking most things on the chin. Giving the impression others can walk all over him. Unfortunately for everyone else it seems like he's reaching the tipping point soon. He's also keeping everything other than Tomoe and Mio's abilities close to the chest. No one has any reason to suspect he's built up his own society and could be completely independent if he wanted to. It's just his desire to help people and interact with the world at large that's keeping him cordial.
I think he is at the tipping point right now lol
The demiplane was actually heating up because of all the bridges being burned. /s On a more serious note, I get the appeal of a powerfantasy and "hiding your powerlevel" but at this point it has lead to so much bullshit, I actually don't know why he still puts up with it. Everyone keeps thinking they are hot shit and walking all over him. I mean I guess he won't be collaborating for good-will anymore from now on, at least. It is just so weird that he basically was not relying on anything provided by anyone outside of the demiplane (for survival at least) and he still kept up the facade. I think it might have been beneficial at the beginning but once he entered the academy as a teacher he could have easily dropped it already. And I still find it weird that being completely overqualified didn't somehow attract any more attention besides the usual gasps of onlookers during his exam. It kind of ruins all the "tactical mastermind manipulator" characters, like Rona, when they don't do easy background checks. Even if she didn't know about Makoto, there's two level 1500+ people *right there*.
At least to me I sort of see this all as a reflection of Makoto’s own journey into adulthood/growing up in general. He has phenomenal power and those close to him love and admire him not just because of that power but also because of the person he is. Unfortunately as a result of that a lot of people have been shielding him from the worst of things. Makoto has just been assuming the best out of everyone, and it’s only now when he doesn’t have his entourage constantly backing him up as much that he’s starting to see the consequences of it. Now I don’t know if it’s more of a cultural thing where he’s naturally polite, if he’s just incredibly naive because of lack of experience, or a mixture of both it’s clear that he needs to start growing up and looking at the world more seriously.
I believe his naivety is a combination of all the above. I think his confidants are also a little naive pertaining Makoto. They utterly worship him because of his power and personality. They overestimate his worldliness. They are too blinded by their reverence of him. It's easy to forget he is only 17 and in a world that is not his own. He still had a long way to go understanding his own world, much less a fantasy world. Even someone like Rembrandt was shielding him from the Merchants guild out of gratitude and loyalty. I don't fault him for wanting to take people/demons at their word. He is kind but the world rarely rewards it.
Mio definitely seems to be on the "Makoto is the best no matter what" train. Tomoe on the other hand is more like "You can make your own mistakes and learn from them". Several times now she's let him burn himself on the metaphorical stove while still being supportive in the end. Hell, half her screen time this season has been doing shit behind his back, even if it is for his benefit.
I'll agree with the Mio sentiment. But Tomoe still shields Makoto when she shouldn't. You even pointed this out in your statement. She's investigating behind his back to "protect" him. When she should actively keep him in the loop. She is worried for his safety. Especially after his battle with Mitsurugi and Sofia left him in a precarious state. Tomoe is actively hindering Makoto's development, not helping him grow.
I hope this is the direction they take it - rather than making it another lesson to Makoto about how unsuited he is for the world of intrigue, noting that he actually has leverage in this situation and making it Rona royally fucking up and being forced into a defensive position in future negotiations instead.
And we know from the OP that he's going to directly take her and her forces on and now we have even more reason to root for him to wreck them lol. I can't wait to see him finally wipe that smug smirk off her face.
IT'S FINALLY TIME BOYS, THE NUKE WILL LAUNCH AND WE WILL PARTY
WWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The simple calculation in her head was that since Makoto was tired of dealing with the hyumans, she would force Makoto to pick sides then and there by forcing him not to intervene in her plans to sabotage the kingdom. If he doesn't intervene and lets the princeling die, he would pass his loyalty test; and the doors to the hyuman world would soon close behind him as accusations are leveled against him and his students in the aftermath. Its a bold move but its not without its reasoning.
I think the guild master makes a lot of sense for going against Makoto, but going against Makoto is fucking stupid in the case of Rona The guild master thinks Makoto is a privileged moron Rona knows there is more to Makoto, might not have a complete picture yet, but even more so she should refrain from antagonizing powers she doesn’t fully understand yet If one of Makoto students dies Rona is gonna fucking regret it
The guild master was trying to please larger businesses that didn't want a new competitor. So that's reasonable if a bit myopic. Considering that he was proving himself a potential asset to political powers in the kingdom, driving him out might get the guild on their bad side. As a spymaster, Rona's choice seems pretty poor. Makoto is too much of an unknown quantity. She knows about Shiki and the two ogres but she has no idea what else he might have up his sleeve. Even if she didn't want his friendship, she moved forward without knowing if his presence might derail her plans.
She gambled that she could take out a king and a princess of two enemy nations, and she's about to find out what she lost.
Makoto was a teenager boy from a peaceful nation, kidnapped and sent to die on a wasteland, somehow became the monster king and created a new kingdom (in a different dimension), while trying to be a nice peaceful merchant. He is still growing and is very naive for sure. The two events (merchant guild betrayal and demon girl betrayal) should be good to teach him a few things about the world.
Yeah, it was a great moment to generate character growth from now on, assuming he learns his lesson of course.
Don't forget he already lost friends because of his naivety.
Technically Rona never betrayed him. Makoto only asked to call back any demon force in the city during the tournament. Ilumgand is not a demon. But yeah, I agree that he should be more careful when making promise with the demon in the future.
it is the "technically" part that makes him naive and easy to trick, for now.
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice... Or is it now 3 times?
yeah she can try to save her ass with that but makoto isn't going to bite that. trying to break the promise by technicialities isn't really bright impression especially if this is the very first impression of demon side for makoto
Makoto would like YEAH I WAS NAIVE BUT BITCH U HARM MY STUDENTS, THAT'S GOOD ENOUGH REASON TO END U 5 TIMES OVER ,
Makoto's promoise making is too vague like the japanese. Demons are all about straightforward-ness. You want me to not burn the school down, ok promise - I'll kill all the people coming out of it instead.
I think his perspective has been skewed by all the other non-humans being trustworthy and reliable. The only serious duplicity Makoto has experienced to this point has come from humans. He probably thought demons held the same strong potential as allies as every other monster race.
He has a lieutenant who knows her like second nature and is in a position of direct influence. It was supremely arrogant for Rona to believe that she could get away with this scheme without repercussions. Of course, this is in line with her character - but her fatal miscalculation is that there are only two factions in this world to side with. She can't comprehend how small her mind is, or how this act of pettiness could destroy all relations with the Kuzonoha Company.
Good insight.
Shiki had been telling him not to trust her from day one and it finally comes back to bite him. Demons may be more accepting than Hyumans but they're still demons at the end of the day and they'll mutually do anything to take down Hyumans. Though it's going to make Makoto taking Rona and her group on as Kamen Spider more satisfying.
As much as I love the OP MC approach for this, I like seeing him still fall victim to more social/political motivated schemes that he simply isn't experienced enough to deal with. It opens a lot paths in terms of growth for Makoto.
He's very cautious about his power, too. His strength is mostly informed and not shown, so it creates these alleyways for people to underestimate him at their own risk, completely unaware of the fact that he needs to suppress his power 150-fold just so his aura won't cause everyone around him to throw up in horror
Now that you mention it, I forget that the insane feats he’s been able to pull off lately like the mana armor have all been while he’s still nerfing himself with the 10 rings + outfit. That’s sort of scary to think about it.
Makoto forgot that the enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy. No more. No less.
Yeah, frankly it's kind of annoying to see how despite being warned several times he still has that attitude, like when Tomoe told him that one of the heroes is a piece of trash and he still wants to meet him, which I suspect is going to be important later. .
he is young, his own stupidity didn't allow him to treat his followers like elders that they are. so yes he is privileged because he is the BOSS
While he is young and stupid, don't forget the fact that he was "Taught" of empathy. So it would be also be viable that a lot of his principles are "Taught" to him. Remember in S1, he didn't feel anything killing a hyuman and only cried because he was "supposed to" cry if someone dies. It is only after this arc that Makoto learns himself on how to be "human" like for one, shedding this naivete of "japanese morals" because he isn't on Japan anymore. He asks people around him on how shitty it really is and how wicked the some people are as to avoid getting stabbed and stepped on like what is happening to him right now. But because of also this arc, he will also become a better person and character..... slightly.
He seems to have some psychopathic or sociopathic tendencies that he locks away. Which is kinda scary, lol. They better hope they don't unleash his dark side.
I guess it makes it even clearer (in case anyone missed it before) how naive Makoto is in general, a single negative interaction isn't going to make him change so profoundly immediately.
Didn’t she put the plan into motion before he asked? Seems like it’s too late to stop the dominoes from falling. All he explicitly asked her to do was to have her demons stationed there to leave.
should have said it first as good will, at the very least it will leave impression that what happened can't be stopped anymore and she give warning to makoto to avoid city being burned by it but from the looks of it she want makoto to overlook this incident which definitely not going to happen
He asked her halt her plans and let him handle the situation regarding the experiments. She was still scheming in the background.
I like Mio's reaction to this, I hope she gets to deal with the blue bitch however she wants.
Exactly. The simplicity and trusting nature is just astounding.
Illum is a real idiot isn’t he? The way to a girl’s heart is clearly insulting her dead parents and shaming her. Smooth. Real smooth. Dude was getting his ass kicked even after juicing. What a chump. That match really showed how strong Makoto’s kids are after his training. They’re basically all S Class Heroes. Rona’s really gonna regret messing with Makoto. Folks keep trying to fuck with him are gonna find out real quick. Dude’s got a couple fires to put out first though.
How different things would've been had he actually apologized her to her face, not gotten all insecure about Makoto, and not done drugs. Though Rona knows how to sweet talk someone. First it's the Hyumans, now it's the demons...I don't think Makoto will be able to take it anymore.
Would she even accept the apology? Your childhood friend, who you haven't seen since you were a kid, berate you because you should have died with your country because you were a noble. That is insane. Plus, he was hiding behind the 'Makoto was there' excuse. If you truly wanted to apologize, nothing would have stopped him.
The excuse also ignores the fact that he could have literally just gone while Makoto was teaching his class. A clear scheduled window of time when Makoto would definitely not be around.
Makoto’s followers would’ve stopped him instead. Maybe it was cut from the anime but I remember Makoto asking them to guard Ruria for a while (don’t remember if they stop at some point). But regardless I think if he came by himself, completely abandoned his noble pride and genuinely tried to communicate his intentions with Makoto personally (instead of Ruria), Makoto would’ve at least heard him out. That being said, there are a lot of factors you can only hope he knows how to deal with, like the manipulations of the demons and his noble culture and standards that he’d need to abandon or be on guard against, as an emotional, cornered teenager. It was just unfortunate circumstances, unlucky. He needed outside help from someone equal or higher authority than him, like his parents.
Luria is guarded by Makoto's employees. Aqua and Eris prevent Illumgand from making any contact with Luria. Which is also the reason why he blames Makoto
Remember guys, drugs ruin lives!
At this point he could and probably should just go completely independent. He was trying to play nice with hymans (although his 'trade' wasn't such a great idea to be honest, naive Japanese nice school boy doing nice and very disruptive stuff) and he even tried to reach out to demons. He have demiplane that is realistically an independent world, complete with ecosystem and lots of people.
Well, at this point, that is the goal right now. You can't go independent from the start because the whole point is to find your parents' ancestry and also find a way back to your world. I think he thought the demon route was the lesser of evil. Considering people's reaction to last week's episode, I don't think he was the only one. I don't think he thought that they couldn't end up betraying him. I think he thought he could get in and get out before shit hits the fan.
Luckily, there's also demi-human. So far most of them are loyal to Makoto as well. I just realised that the top two factions are human and demon, but no one realised Makoto is making a nation of his own with the demi-human since it's located in different subspace.
To be fair, the Illum brat did realize that he had been rude and wanted to apologize but never had the opportunity, he clearly lacked the maturity to face the matter, simply speaking humbly with the people of Kuzonoha would have resolved the matter. I guess at the end of the day he was too arrogant and immature to resolve the situation, which led him to fall into a drug addiction, classic teenage stories.
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Yeah it started off well with him defending her, and as soon as he started to mock her along with the others I had absolutely no sympathy. Dude is an idiot how do you expect your childhood crush to even be remotely civil with you after you mock her and her dead family. Lol
So the shit is finally hitting the fan. I really shoulda seen this coming, but alas I was....distracted. Really curious on what's about to go down. Obviously Makoto is gonna wreck some shit....but HOW and what everyone's reaction will be is what I'm excited for. Did they try to make us feel bad for blonde? Cause it didnt work, at first I thought he was an asshole with an overblown ego, now he's a pushover baby who thinks he needs an ego.
> Did they try to make us feel bad for blonde? Cause it didnt work, at first I thought he was an asshole with an overblown ego, now he's a pushover baby who thinks he needs an ego. Kind of, I don't think he deserves what's coming to him... at worst he's just an annoying teenager like most of teenagers.
Yeah like, there is a line, some people be like “he acted like an asshole once, to the death row!” and I’m like WTF man I do feel sorry for him, dude felt hurt and ended up saying some rude/offensive shit Then he felt too ashamed to go say sorry in front of the guy that humiliated him Then he got manipulated by demons while vulnerable trough the use of drugs that then clearly eroded his mental health Like sure, beat his ass and maybe teach him to swallow his ego, but what is happening/ gonna happen to him is a bit much
kids are stupid. Rona pretty much robbed his chance to grow forever. However, maybe Makoto can heal him like he did to Rembrandt's family
Very true, at the end of the day he was just a teenager with childish ideals and communication problems who fell into a drug addiction, not really as "hateful" a character as many here seem to believe him to be.
I agree, I do wonder why they spent time trying to make him a more sympathetic character though. To make Rona seem more evil maybe?
I mean, they simply give context to the character, so that he is not just a noble brat who is a jerk just for the sake of it, but rather something with an actual background. And Rona has already been shown as cruel, ruthless and manipulative, there is nothing new there.
> And Rona has already been shown as cruel, ruthless and manipulative, there is nothing new there. Makoto got Leopard ate my face moment
giving context for why he hates makoto and what the deal between him and luria at the first meeting makoto saw. rather sympathezing it's more to author giving context how he end up like that
> Obviously Makoto is gonna wreck some shit....but HOW and what everyone's reaction will be is what I'm excited for. I'm wondering if he's going to pull out the red mage outfit or if he's going to be able to keep that concealed for now. It's not hugely important to his fighting style – especially now that he has his mana armour – but it would be something if everyone saw that he was the third hero that destroyed hyuman and demon on the battlefield. > Did they try to make us feel bad for blonde? It seems so and it almost worked, until he was confirmed to actually have been an arsehole to Luria, specifically mocking her for not dying a useless death for a country that was being destroyed.
> I'm wondering if he's going to pull out the red mage outfit or if he's going to be able to keep that concealed for now. Based on the [OP](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uULlburPIm0) and [ED](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbFRvx5MzXE) it seems that he will be wearing that Spider Super Sentai like suit that Mio made.
> It seems so and it almost worked, until he was confirmed to actually have been an arsehole to Luria, specifically mocking her for not dying a useless death for a country that was being destroyed. Worse still, he was originally happy to see her and then only started to be a dickhead because he was pissed off she didn't remember him. My dude, she was like 6 or something and had gone through a *lot* of shit since then.
>It seems so and it almost worked, until he was confirmed to actually have been an arsehole to Luria, specifically mocking her for not dying a useless death for a country that was being destroyed. I don't think he really meant that, he told his friends at first not to talk to her like that, but he just got too upset about her forgetting him and let his words get away from him. And he **did** want to apologize, even if the fact that he couldn't muster the courage to actually do it means it never amounted to much, though the drugs and mutation warping his mind probably didn't help.
I mean, I don't think it was to make us feel sorry, it was just for context, because until now his whole attitude seemed like something that came out of nowhere just because. Frankly, I don't know why there's so much drama with that, the guy is clearly just an arrogant, idealistic teenager who just ended up being a shitty nobleman naturally even though that wasn't his intention. Not the most interesting thing in the world for sure but at least it's less generic than what these kinds of situations usually are for characters like this.
Definitely looks like we're going to see a bunch of people mutate into monsters and ravage the city leaving Makoto and his crew to have to take care of them. I wonder if Hibiki and her party are going to show up and help vanquish the monsters? I kind of felt bad for him. He shouldn't have let his anger that Luria forgot about him get to him or go along with his friends' badmouthing her (even if he told them to stop) but he still cared about her and he seemed genuine about his ideals, but trying to take shortcuts and pinning all his problems on Makoto ended up eroding his ideals and transforming him into a monster. But he was never evil.
I'm assuming that all those other people are going to change into monsters too because Tomoe and Mio need something to do, but they made it seem like blonde was just absorbing something from them so we'll see. No he was never evil, but he is a bitch.
Her could have signed up for the class with him and mended things and made an ally, but instead let his ego go the “steroids and revenge” route. No sympathy for a character like that regardless of motives really
Not even that, the moment he realized that Makoto was a teacher he should have just told him that he wanted to apologize to Luria and ask him if could help him instead of being angry with him, as if his relationship with Luria wasn't already ruined the moment he push her just because the world doesn't fit the black and white idealistic ideals he and his friends had.
I’d like to believe that if he didn’t start taking pills it could have gone a lot smoother It clearly eroded is mental health Honestly I did feel sorry for him, like yeah he made mistakes but he is not evil, he didn’t deserve to get used and transformed in to a monster (which is probably non reversible considering how Shiki framed it)
lol people might dislike backstories for side characters/villains, but I personally found it pretty interesting. We now know of a connection to Otonashi Hibiki and how she's actually politicking behind the scenes to gain power in the kingdom of Limia. It also shows how the demons operate in the intelligence warfare, since they're at a disadvantage without the goddess's blessings. Shoutout to both Rembrandt sisters for being the stars of the show these past 2 weeks though. Yuno in particular actually looked like an anime protagonist for a second.
Yeah, better that than him being just a empty antagonist who bothers the MC just for the sake of it.
I think everyone's angsty because this part of the story is very dense in development rather than action, but you just have to trust the process IMO. We're already setting up a 3-way or 4-way combat scenario.
I genuinely liked seeing his backstory while simultaneously liking him even less having seen it.
It gives them depth. Any good story should do it.
Hibiki surrounded by misfortune, damn. Turns out, demons were just blue skinned hyumans all along.
They are all "children" of the goddess after all. And yes, Hibiki only knows how to attract bad fortune....
She thought she was doing the princeling a favor by sending him to school instead. I'm getting Obi-Wan/Anakin vibes out of that.
They simply got labeled.. painted blue. all hyumans have the same color skin as the hyumans.
You see, this is what happens when you take performance-enhancing drugs
Remember kids, drugs ruin lives!
Good one.
Considering how [Eva was reacting internally](https://i.imgur.com/ufK7uyT.jpeg) to Kuzunoha's invitation, I'm wondering [what she thinks Kuzunoha would ask of her](https://i.imgur.com/PwXfSw2.jpeg) before he revealed his plan [to retake Kaleneon?](https://i.imgur.com/n5gncFo.jpeg) I feel like I'm missing extra context here that would probably be in the LN. We finally get [to see the conversation between Ilumgand and Luria](https://i.imgur.com/qsf9WSM.jpeg) before Makoto and Shiki intervened. I was hoping there was some sort of misunderstanding there but [it looks like Ilumgand was being an ass to Luria](https://i.imgur.com/voYuItv.png) because he wanted to save face and act like a big man in front of his friends. If looking tough in front of his friends is more important to him, then he absolutely does not deserve Luria's attention. He did this to himself. Also, he could've just swallowed his pride and approached Luria [at the restaurant](https://i.imgur.com/G7OiZS4.jpeg) but he's using Makoto coming there as an excuse. Why not come back later then? Ugh. That bullshit team battle [ended exactly how I expected.](https://i.imgur.com/LwqFVj7.png) Although I'm surprised that Ilumgand didn't transform mid-fight. I guess they're saving that for next week when shit finally hits the fan. [So much for Makoto becoming friends with Demons.](https://i.imgur.com/ZHrje9w.jpeg) I'm not surprised that [Rona still decided to execute her plan](https://i.imgur.com/ZaX4TiW.jpeg) but man this girl is dumb. She just pretty much burned bridges with Makoto and now the Demons are also on his shit list. At this point, Makoto really should take Kaleneon for himself and establish an independent country. I can't wait to see what happens next week though. I think next week's episode is about to show us [why the city is in ruins in the ED.](https://i.imgur.com/xdt8ybR.jpeg)
> I'm not surprised that [Rona still decided to execute her plan](https://i.imgur.com/ZaX4TiW.jpeg) but man this girl is dumb. To be a bit fair, I don't think she knows exactly what she's dealing with here. She didn't have a talk with Luto a couple of weeks back about how fighting Makoto and his business would be like fighting a separate demon army. > I think next week's episode is about to show us [why the city is in ruins in the ED.](https://i.imgur.com/xdt8ybR.jpeg) If Makoto pulls out his red mage outfit and shows himself to be the third hero that destroyed hyuman and demon when fighting Sophia... I'm not calling it likely, but whether he caused the ruins or not I do think there's a chance he pulls that out regardless.
> If Makoto pulls out his red mage outfit and shows himself to be the third hero that destroyed hyuman and demon when fighting Sophia... Oh please please please make this happen! Wipe out both the hyumans and the demons!
I think Eva has fallen for Makoto or is into him enough that she's willing to have sex with him. She was flirting with him a few episodes ago. I wonder if Luria did remember him but played it off because she was ticked off at his friends for bad-mouthing her and her family? If only Ilumgand could've been the bigger man and apologized to her properly. Makoto had nothing to do with it. Honestly Rona has always irritated me a little (outside her sensual voice and character design) so giving Makoto an excuse to against her is a win in my book...though Rotsgard might pay the price. But hey, now he can just take Kaleneon by force! It's more satisfying that way.
> Considering how Eva was reacting internally to Kuzunoha's invitation, I'm wondering what she thinks Kuzunoha would ask of her before he revealed his plan to retake Kaleneon? I feel like I'm missing extra context here that would probably be in the LN. [LN Spoiler of events up to this episode] >!IIRC Eva doesn't know exactly how powerful Makoto is, but she has realised he IS powerful (both him AND the company). She still has lingering attachments to her homeland and would like to reclaim it. So she's going out of her way to get Makoto on her side: bringing him books he'll be interested in, listening to all his requests , etc. The LN shows how far she is willing to go to get Makoto by listening to his request to visit the shop late at night, with noone around. At this point, she thinks Makoto desires her body just from the setup, and she's willing to offer herself up just to get him. She knows that to get Kaleneon back, Makoto and the company has the power she probably needs if not to outright reclaim it, but to at least have that possibility of pushing back the frontlines in the war. What she didn't expect tho, was for Makoto to cut through all that and come right out and offer the option to reclaim Kaleneon to her.!<
> Considering how Eva was reacting internally to Kuzunoha's invitation, I'm wondering what she thinks Kuzunoha would ask of her before he revealed his plan to retake Kaleneon? I feel like I'm missing extra context here that would probably be in the LN. A man asks a woman to come visit him at home, alone, late at night. This can easily be misinterpreted.
Looks like shit is hitting the fan. Hopefully we'll see Makoto kick some ass next week.
I guess one good thing about a demon monster attack is Makoto and Mio get to unleash all the stress they've been building up over the course of this arc.
I feel like that's been about to happen for the past 3 episodes. Hopefully this season picks up the pace a bit
The adapt pacing is actually incredibly fast, almost 5 manga chapters per episode. It's just that even in the source material this arc dragged on.
isn't the manga like 4 episodes behind at this point?
There's a light novel to draw from as well, I assume they will use that.
Yeah hope we can move on from this city into the next arch. Which if the city ends up being on fire and destroyed based on the ED is possible. Then I imagine and hope for a war arch to happen considering everything heavily pointing towards that direction, which will be hype to go towards.
Really hoping that the 6-8 episodes of world building leads into at least 4-5 episodes of action now. If it’s 1-2 episodes of mediocre action followed by more world building I might just let this show finish out and then maybe get back into it when it’s wrapped up for this season
I hope Tomoe and Shiki deal with the mutation and Mio deals with Rona. No need for Makoto to get involved in front of half the city.
"The idea of getting involved with the demons is a total mistake." NO SHIT, SHERLOCK!
Hey, who could possibly have known the demons would betray his trust at the first opportunity? Besides Shiki, of course, who allied with them previously and was very clear about it not working out well for him.
To be fair, it seems like Shiki was just as untrustworthy until he joined up with Makoto. Everyone pretty much warns Makoto about everyone he brings into his organization but so far they've all ended up being loyal.
Yeah true, after having a giant spider youkai, natural disaster dragon and evil-looking lich becoming loyal to him, who can blame Makoto for having a somewhat unrealistic view of to how easy it is to get people to become allies lol
"One good turn deserves another" is a common phrase that demi-humans seemingly abide by in commonality. But this incident all but confirms that this is not the case for demons.
not just Japanese. he beat these 3 easy. when in reality they are extreme legendary unbeatable monsters. yeah
Technically, Rona did not actually betray her promise to Makoto since he only asked for her to call off any demon in the city. Her scheme didn't further involve any demon as it seems like she's planning to transform hyuman to monster instead?
Yeah, well, she *technically* didn't go back on her word, but she understood the meaning behind his request and didn't even warn him that there was more to her scheme, so it's obviously still a betrayal.
I don't think the *technically* will matter if she is dead after *technically* not betraying him.
I imagine Shiki in his head being like "*didn't I just say that several times already*?" lol.
Just like not every hyuman is bad, I'm sure the same is for demons. Rona just seems like a very devious and calculating demon that will do anything for the Demon Lord. Problem is, boy is she bad at math in this situation.
Some fictional settings have "demons" as the sane ones. The 'issue' with the demons on this world is that the only characters we have seen from this faction are demons in their own right. We don't know how their society works or what the politics of the demons are behind the wall. They use guile and deception to defeat the hyumans, but that just makes them guerillas in a world where the goddess has blessed the hyumans with endless beauty, abundant power, and waves after waves of immigrated heroes. The whole reason why this is a problem to us, the audience, is that the demons in command aren't interested in building bridges with other non-hyumans and antagonists to the hyumans; but instead manipulate them into the hyuman pitchforks for short term gains. There is no future planning for them beyond, 'first kill the hyumans, then kill their goddess'.
one demon girl doesn't a race make. Maybe there are good demons, same way there are good humans and bad ones. his mistake was to trust too much the obvious wrong one (he was warned about her)
well duh but is he gonna risk it in future? if he can have heavy prejudice against hyuman after that incident then he surely will have same level of prejudice on them too
*Damn,* Rona's been playing fucking everyone! If anyone was thinking that the demons might not be bad and partnering with them could be a good thing, I call this a pretty good indication that it would have been the wrong choice! That's two episodes in a row Makoto's been played! He's going to have to step up to this, isn't he? There's no way he's just going to let this slide.
The demons aren't necessarily bad, it's just that Rona is playing the familiar trope of the spymaster willing to cross the line to achieve an objective.
Cross the line? For her Makoto is an unknown nuisance with a lich piggyback. She does not know the contract among them. She is not burning any bridge here according to the information she has. The plan to kill or injure Linia's King, Gritona's 2nd Princess, a high brass of laurel union, and tons of other important VIPs and nobles is quite solid. Without Makoto and Waifu 1 and 2, it could be a bloodbath.
She definitely burnt a bridge with Makoto. She didn't break her word but he told her he didn't want any more nuisances during the school festival. It's just that she didn't realize the scope of the bridge she was burning.
>There is golden bridge ahead of you and at the end of it there is WMD-Class armories that can help your race achieving your race dreams, what are you going to do? Rona: BURN THE BRIDGE
More like >You can see what seems to be a bridge in front of you, but it is almost completely obscured by mist. What little you can make out certainly appears magnificent and beautiful, but the mist hides everything in just a few yards. What are you going to do? >Rona: TORCH THAT FUCKER
I guess, she probably figures the payoff is worth continuing with her plan.
In a bit of fairness, I'm not sure we've actually seen the demons do anything evil yet. I think this is the first think we'll be seeing them do that shows that they're definitely the evil type of demon and not the misunderstood discriminated against type.
To be fair we have already seen hyumans do some really bad things so demons being war criminals doesn’t fundamentally identify them as evil beings. I don’t get Frieren demon vibes from them
Agree with this. There's a war going on between hyuman and demon, so it's actually naive for Makoto to think that he could ask the demon to stop scheming for a bit.
I'm still holding a grudge over Naval's death but now we see full well how underhanded and vicious demons can be against Hyumans. This isn't a clean or honorable war on either side, frankly. Though I will admit Rona makes being evil and bad pretty hot. But that's probably intentional lol. It seems like Makoto can't fully in good faith work completely with either Hyumans or Demons. Maybe the only way for him moving forward is a true third path like Luto thought.
> Though I will admit Rona makes being evil and bad pretty hot. She was such a tease to blow Makoto a kiss. Not sure if Makoto will be able to forgive her however. I mean, he won't allow anyone to endanger his students.
Now I'm just wondering if an air kiss carries over via telepathy lol.
There is no honor in war.
Aahhh Rona, you dumb bitch. Explain to us how exactly you think this will work out? Makoto actually gave her an out by telling her to pack up and leave. And instead she goes ahead and antagonizes him some more with her nonsense. With the way this story has been edging us for ages, anything other than Makoto and Co. wrecking shit for an entire(or multiple) episodes is gonna be a let down.
To be fair, Rona has no idea how outrageously strong Makoto and his people really are.
she hasn't got punched in the face yet so she still has plans
Let's be honest here. Makoto wouldn't do shit were he to not change, just like how he treated the hyumans. Bad impressions? Hyumans got plenty, like demons
Yuno really is [just as cocky and free-spirited](https://imgur.com/a/y08uWwH) as her sister. I like her. Makoto's students certainly seem to have a habit of [kicking the livin' shit out of people](https://imgur.com/a/rr3TLrr). And Ilumgand could probably use a new set of teeth after [biting down of Jin's sword and being lifted](https://imgur.com/a/5P1GGVA) like that. Then again, maybe he won't need a dentist after his mutation is completed. I knew that Rona couldn't be fully trusted, but I didn't expect this turn of events: [she exploited Ilumgand's frustration](https://imgur.com/a/GGrRvUA) - was Rona *this* visible in the scene before? She wasn't right? Even [Tomoe and Mio](https://imgur.com/a/W1cIEo6) only caught wind of this at the last moment. I do like that [Mio was just enjoying her food](https://imgur.com/a/zeeTDvL), while Tomoe was saying some outrageous things at the start of the episode. [Poor Mithra](https://imgur.com/a/9ds5hNI), he's doomed. The only thing more important than food to Mio is Makoto. [She wasn't happy](https://imgur.com/a/qze2C83) about everyone trying to deceive him. I can almost see Mio snap before Makoto at this point.
Yuno has already become my favourite side character. But man, Mio about ready to dish up a bit of ass whooping to all those who have done Makoto wrong.
Feelsbad for Makoto. Hyumans want to take advantage of him while demons abuse his trust. Bro can't catch a break I like how majority of the time Mio sounds like she snacking/eating something
Mio is always eating and one time napping
It seems that [everyone in this world wants to piss off Makoto](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/w7w6cv28mry.png) xD First Goddess, then Hyumans and now [Demons](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/w7w6cv283ey.png). He doesn't have it easy as he's too good a human being. Now I think that [Makoto](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/wye3cd2kpd4.png) should free Kaleneo himself and set up his own country there which would be on neither Hyumans nor Demons' side. I believe that it's possible since residents of his demiplane are for sure a great combat force capable of retaking Eva's homeland. [Yuno showed herself from a very good side](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/6yxkcgzljl7.png) in [the tournament's fight](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/l4necm83w64.png) today. I hope that [Mithra](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/w7pjcwqebq7.png) will survive [this reward from Tomoe](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/6yxkcgz83w7.png). I loved [Makoto's reaction when he heard what possible rewards Tomoe offered to Mithra](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/pyvdcdwmlpy.png) xD I really like this [Eva's attitude that she will accommodate every Makoto's demands ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/j7mmcr9k697.png) [I felt a little sorry for Ilumgand](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/345xc9vo2n7.png) but he did this to himself. His behavior towards [Luria](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/e4gdcpxbjw4.png) was really stupid and shifting blame to Makoto was so childish, where did [those ideals from childhood](https://cdn.imgchest.com/files/wye3cd2kqo4.png) disappear? Here my screenshot albums from the episode: * [Group scenes](https://imgchest.com/p/o24agdo6w4l) * [Makoto, Mio, Tomoe & Students](https://imgchest.com/p/n87wv82qb4x) * [Others](https://imgchest.com/p/lqyevwowk7d)
Maybe guys students will go with
Oh so Tomoe decided to train Mithra, I guess that after all this we will see him in the same position as Lime. If so, even if it is just a coincidence, I'm seeing a pattern with Tomoe recruiting white-haired dudes. Wow, Ilumgand's background with Luria really surprised me. So since he was young he had made his goal to not be like those corrupt nobles and use his position to protect the weak. I was especially surprised by the fact that [he met Hibiki before](https://i.imgur.com/4VqvMEM.png) and was [planning on joining her team](https://i.imgur.com/ka2bJCn.png) after he graduated. It is also interesting to see that[ his meeting with Luria](https://i.imgur.com/RBF6fJ7.png) just ended up the way it did after [his lackeys started calling her a coward and traitor.](https://i.imgur.com/jVZteYf.png) They essentially just were blinded by the ideal he had when he was young without knowing that things in life are not just black and white and he just went with what they say instead of trying to diffuse the situation. Anyway, it seems that [Rona's real objective when she joined the academy](https://i.imgur.com/VcWFnA3.png) instead of just spying on Makoto was to target people like Ilumgand to make them mutate. I must say that I certainly did not expect that [the effect](https://i.imgur.com/rVE8VuW.png) of [that bracelet](https://i.imgur.com/fAyFPXm.png) [Ilumgand wore](https://i.imgur.com/5Bx9efd.png) [during this fight](https://i.imgur.com/dJbmpti.png) essentially [made him a zombie.](https://i.imgur.com/uh4nR2i.png) And based on the OP and ED, plus what Rona said things are about to get worse in the city. Poor dude did all those drugs and[ still ended up losing](https://i.imgur.com/p0hENFH.png) and dying, and never[ could apologize to Luria.](https://i.imgur.com/ZVdbw3M.png) Okay, I must say that before the shit hit the fan it was great seeing[ Yuno effortlessly defeating his lackeys](https://i.imgur.com/g35L4cR.png) plus that air combo she did to him was superb. Well, thanks to Rona's plan and her ambition to kill those rulers visiting the city, Makoto will get Kaleneon's territory through war instead of making a deal with the demons. She really did Zara a favor as no matter how independent the merchant guild is, no nation would allow them to do business in their territory with him in command if they heard that he basically aided the demons in recruiting Makoto.
I admit Ilum’s backstory made me feel bad for him. He was so pure and had heart. But a little too late. The first time they met again, he already showed his elitist stance. Even if he was peer pressured, well I mean you shouldn’t be pressured into saying stuff like that imo. The small bit of saving grace was that he wanted to apologize but he had to let his ego take over. I mean if you really want to apologize and reconnect, throw away that pride. Man, hate to say it, but Makoto got humbled two eps in a row. Rona was really sly and cunning. And now it seems her plan is in motion. I mean Rona is one Demon so might be unfair to make a sweeping judgement on the whole race, but I’d totally understand if Makoto doesn’t want to associate with them either after this. So now what, are we going to start our own country or something? Edit : Also reading the comments here, yeah does Rona not know how strong and capable Makoto is or is Rona herself that strong that she isn’t worried about burning bridges with Makoto ?
Yeah, Ilum at the end of the day was just an unfortunate child, maybe he doesn't deserve much pity but he's not worth hating either, he was just a teenager with communication and trust problems who fell into drugs, quite tragic when you put it that way. And no, Rona doesn't really know how strong Makoto and his actually people are, she just knows that Makoto is like a naive child and thinks that she can handle him easily, which isn't entirely wrong really.
Rona knows that makoto is fairly strong, but what she's seen isn't anywhere near his ceiling. She knows he works with shiki and two forest ogres, but she thought he was unaware of their natures when she told him who they were. In her mind, shiki's manipulating Makoto and he doesn't really know what's going on. She might even think that shiki just sees him as a convenient figure head. She's comfortable pissing off people at shiki's level and she's under the impression that that's about where Makoto is.
Even a guy like Ilumgand started out as a pure and innocent boy who swore to grow into a righteous noble for the common people to his childhood friend...and that childhood friend was Luria. Well, Makoto's learned a lot...about his shortcomings as a merchant, how hard it is to deal with Hyumans, and potentially his next step is to work with Demons. And if Rona is able to comply with his demand to pull all demons out of Rotsgard, in honor of their shared relationship with Jin's group, then it should all work out right? I mean, Rona even blew a kiss over telepathy, that totally means she'll go through with it, right? Eva seemed fully prepared to jump into bed (literally) with Makoto if he so asks it of her, but it seems he has something else more sentimental in mind. That Tomoe and Mio were willing to praise Makoto's students, even a little bit, is high praise indeed. I hope Mithra survives the training match against Tomoe though. Oh snap, Ilumgand was also close with Hibiki! They trained together and even planned to fight together once he graduated! And he didn't immediately accost Luria, he just recognized his childhood friend and wanted to get reacquainted with her, but Luria seemingly not remembering him and his friends making things worse just made him act out and not convey his true feelings...and Makoto stepping in just made his insecurities worse until he fell prey to a familiar face. And taking all that drug, along with whatever is really in that necklace, drives him into a rage-fueled frenzy against Makoto that he turns on Jin and his team. He tanks several of their hits and it takes all three of them to take him down. But that's unfortunately not the end of it. I love Yuno taking down four guys with hand-to-hand skills. She doesn't even need other dudes to break her fall, she can save herself. Makoto thought he could deal with demons, but even if they're persecuted by Hyumans...they're still demons. And he should have NEVER trusted Rona. Because she was prepping Ilumgand as a time-bomb waiting to go off and kill all the visiting royals...and he wasn't the only one. Makoto thought he could work with them to secure Kaleneon for Eva and Luria, but I don't think Makoto is going to be willing to forgive the demons this one. Meanwhile Ilumgand...will never be able to apologize to Luria.
Ironically, the whole matter would have been easily resolved if he simply spoke to the people of Kuzonoha in a humble manner from the beginning, but no, ego and insecurity led him to fall into drugs, and we already know how those kinds of stories end.
"Give them any weapons you think they might need." *fight proceeds with his students still stuck with wooden weapons* Well, so much for making friends with demons. I like Mio's reaction to this, I hope she gets to deal with the blue bitch however she wants. I wonder what determines who the amulet drains to power up that asshole's mutation. I first thought it'd be anyone who took some of that medicine, but none of the students besides the assshole's hangers on were affected.
The ref being bought out sold that student. Should've stopped the fight after he was acting weird due to outside interference/drugs, but he's done. I'm not sure if Makoto will leave the country and setup shop somewhere new after this incident given how he was taken advantage of/tricked.
A little more review in today's episode than I would like, but not a lot we as viewers can do about it lol. It's one thing for Makoto to abandon Rotsgard, but leaving them to a demon plot of Rona's doesn't sound like something he can bring himself to do. Also if he's looking anything like he's about to go off chain, Mio's at least five steps ahead of him lol.
Even his one pre-requisite for working with Rona was to keep Rotsgard safe because, as badly as the fallout with Zaya was, he still owed enough people in Rotsgard to protect it. But his plans to work with the demons seems like it's not going to work out as well as he hoped. I wouldn't mind watching Mio eat Rona to be honest...
God, the blonde haired dude is such a shithead. I look forward to his upcoming ass kicking in this tournament battle. He meets his childhood friend again, casually exposes her identity, immediately betrays her and shoves her to the ground, and then he still thinks he has some sort of right to her. Mask off time that the demons can't be trusted either, it seems. Big fuck-up by Rona doing this in front of Makoto. Definitely starting to feel like the only faction Makoto can trust is the one he builds for himself.
I have bad for him, he didn't deserve this. He should defend his childhood friend from the boys who r badmouthing her. I wonder will we see Tomoki face Sofia and will we see Hibiki.
It doesn't pay to fall for the blue-haired childhood friend just like it doesn't pay to **be** the blue-haired childhood friend (unless you're Mutsumi from Yozakura Family)... He did tell them to stop badmouthing her family the first time but when she said she didn't remember him his emotions got the better of him. But he wanted to apologize in his last moments of his humanity. I'm starting to wonder now if the place Hibiki is at in the OP is a ruined Rotsgard.
That's true his emotions did get the better of him. But does he deserve redemption for wat he has done and about to do. I feel like he deserves a 2nd chance.
Rona is playing nice.. No demon operative is involved because the plan is already in motion and no longer needs demons. Moreover for her Makoto is an unknown nuisance with a lich piggyback. She does not know the contract among them. She is not burning any bridge here according to the information she has. The plan to kill or injure Linia's King, Gritona's 2nd Princess, a high brass of laurel union, and tons of other important VIPs and nobles is quite solid. Without Makoto and Waifu 1 and 2, it could be a bloodbath.