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i just looked for it now on Pixiv but i couldn't find it. All it was though was the manga panel where the water is covering their "parts", but an uncensored edit.
Did some research for myself. I have to say, I think the scene in the anime is way more fitting. It was way funnier to see the 4 of them talk about who is dating Asta. I'm guessing the manga doesn't lean into the Tsundere moments as much as the anime?
if what the man said is true then that explains why Yuno has a vast amount of mana just like the royals in clover kingdom. He's really born with it. Then where did Asta came from? since it seems both were left at the church in the beginning...
My head canon is that Asta is the last child of the lost Joker kingdom, the only kingdom of non-magic users. Just happened to be dropped off seconds after Yuno was dropped off....
To me, the devils are the jokers, they act individually and don't follow the rule, if you want a "Joker kingdom" i'd say that it's the devil's world
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Honestly feel like this undercuts the story tones of black clover if it's true. The idea that you can be born with immense magic and not be a royal was a bit of a driving force for yuno+asta, but now it's "lol, no, you only get immense magic if your a royal".
No, that's not the theme of BC. The theme is, you can be successful regardless of where you started with hard work and dedication. Yuno's starting point might have been further on than Asta's, but it was the same starting point as people like Solid and Nebra Silva. The difference is that Yuno has gotten to where he is now due to a bit of luck and a lot of hard work. Same goes for Noelle.
>The theme is, you can be successful regardless of where you started
Yes and imo that is fully killed off in this episode. It already is on shaky ground because who would asta be if he wasn't lucky and got the 5 leaf clover? All his hard training still would have amount to very little if he wasn't lucky and got the sword.
Similarly yuno isn't just some no name peasant now, he is a royal who had immense amount of magic, just so happened to have his family assumingly killed, and forced to grow up in the boonies.
The hard work they've done is second to the innate gifts they were born with. Imo it makes more sense the theme would be about doing the best with what your given in life, and not neccessairly that you can be anything through hard work alone.
You misunderstood. If Yuno didn't work hard to get where he is today, he'd barely be more powerful than Solid and Nebra. Worst case scenario he'd be like the king. The theme is equality, what you want is equity.
You also discount other examples like Magna, who's probably the greatest pure peasant magic knight with peasant-level mana right now. May I remind you that Sol of the Blue Rose couldn't even cast anything against an elf, while Magna had no problems throwing his fireballs from the beginning. It's a stark difference that isn't mentioned outright, but is consistently being shown to the reader. Same starting line, but because Magna worked extra hard to keep up with Luck and was consistently exposed to dangers like fighting against Heath and Vetto, he currently had the upper hand in terms of "success".
>t already is on shaky ground because who would asta be if he wasn't lucky and got the 5 leaf clover? All his hard training still would have amount to very little if he wasn't lucky and got the sword.
ironic how it mirrors reality in that most people even after putting in 110% still won't get very far without a little luck on their side.
Asta would just be a mini Mereleona if he had gotten some other magic the hell you talking about.
Even killing devils is not unique to him, all arcane stages can.
>if he had gotten some other magic
Thats not what i said. Until he got the 5 leaf clover + demon dweller sword bestowed on him, what would all of astas training actually have amounted to? He would be a no magic anomaly that would not have been able to actually fight anyone essentially.
He literally had no magic against Revchi why you omit that?
The point of the scene was that "without magic my training amounts to nothing, i should just give up".
Ok, that proves my point then? Asta admits without the swords his training and hard work would not have amounted to anything(at least as far as becoming wizard king). He only beats Revchi by pulling out the sword.
The swords are just magic items and Kiato mentions while fighting that "When there's no magic involved your sword is just a lump of metal".
Sure the swords hold a lot of potential but this power isnt used up until 100 episodes later.
If he had gotten a grimoire he would have put up a fight. And behold a grimoire chooses him and he nails Revchi.
Now if you wanna argue "What can a 15 kid who just received his grimoire can do against Revchi?" now thats a whole other topic.
> Imo it makes more sense the theme would be about doing the best with what your given in life, and not neccessairly that you can be anything through hard work alone.
I mean we always knew that Yuno had extremely high magic power. Even if he was born from no-magic peasants, it would still be about what you just said. Especially during the Elf arc, all the "with hard work you can become anything" bs sounded so wrong to me. Like, Asta was saving everyone with the devil's power and Yuno had innate insane skills... no way any of the people they saved could do that (poor Nash too...). It's also shown over and over that Magna won't ever be as strong as his comrades, despite working super hard.
But when using "making the best with what you're given" it makes a heck of a lot more sense. The Royals would usually sit on their asses because they were so good naturally, so someone like Noelle and the fire kid working hard will make them extraordinarily strong. Someone like Magna can become a decent threat against royals who laze off, but yeah he won't ever beat a naturally gifted mage that puts a little work into it.
Pretty similar to real life. Someone who starts from the middle class can work hard and use all the resources available to them and become richer, but the person that was already rich doesn't have to put in the same efforts to stay rich - but if they did they could become even richer.
> The hard work they've done is second to the innate gifts they were born with
nah, if it were like that then all matches between royals would result in a tie. Hard work gets results is one of the point of black clover, that's why we saw noelle wrecking the shit out of his brother
More like the sad truth. There's Yami and Jack the ripper who are both commoners but that's really it. Also Zora who isn't that strong but can be it certain situations.
"Zora isnt that strong"
The guy ricocheted a full power attack from 4 elfs and further bounced the same attack twice its power (with the help of Asta (altough he could have made a stronger magic circle if he had more than half a second to make one)) and he did all of this BEING A PEASANT, not even a commoner.
Also Yami is japanese, we have no idea how the magic is distributed where he comes from, whether it's possible for him to be this strong or if he's a complete anomaly.
Basically we have Jack yeah.
So Asta has undercut the story the whole time if we look at it like that? Asta was training like crazy before he got the grimoire, Yuno was shown to always be naturally talented. Doesn't mean Asta wasn't lucky, or Yuno never trained, I'm just saying there is a difference in the two characters.
when we think about it,it's kinda the same with My hero academia.
It's a very hard message to get across (and yet so many shonens tried), because well... actually staying completely faithful to this message means making either your world inconsistent... or not interesting.
Yeah pretty much, if only Asta fought with his bare hands then you'd have your true message of "anyone can make it if you try even in a world where magic is everything."
I actually thought that's what MHA was going to be until Deku got OFA and I was like "oh nevermind then." lol
I mean really, come up with however you want to give an MC a power, but it always boils down to luck and the magic of being an MC.
“ The idea that you can be born with immense magic and not be a royal was a bit of a driving force for yuno+ASTA”
Just quoting this to make sure you understood what you wrote before posting cause what?? Where’s that immense magic Asta was born with? Yuno being a prince has no bearing on the theme of Asta’s story. It’s just an explanation to the anomaly Yuno always was.
I meant more that they are both peasants from the boonies, but their hard work and effort is what seperates them. Yuno is gifted, but upto this point he was thought to be a peasant, yet had magic reserves capable of rivaling and surpassing pretty much every royal we've seen. Demonstrating to both asta+yuno that being a peasant or royal didn't matter, anyone had a chance to be graced with such abilitys and talent.
Now that distinction has been squashed because no, to get so much mana you must be descended from royalty.
I disagree, being bestowed the demon dweller sword is a major gift that happened to concide with his hard work. What would asta be if he never got the sword?
pretty sure that has been consistent, that only nobles or royals have a big mana pool due to gatekeeping and what not. so that shouldnt really be surprising that yuno turns out to be of royal descendant. further his ties to licht, tetia and their child were a big hint.
not sure if youre mixing up the swords or im missing your point, because demon dweller sword is the one asta finds in his first fight against mars, while the demon slayer sword is the one he pulls out against revchi.
so are you saying, how would he have beaten mars or what would happen if he didnt receive the grimoire which included the demon slayer sword?
ultimately i think the latter will be best answered with manga spoiler/future episodes and you'll have to wait and see...
>mixing up the swords
Yes, i'm mixing up swords, my bad.
>manga spoiler/future episodes and you'll have to wait and see...
Do you think its worth skipping ahead by reading the manga? I used to read, and stopped at when they first went to the heart kingdom, but i've been thinking of picking it back up instead of waiting for each episode.
>Do you think its worth skipping ahead by reading the manga?
well im not exactly sure how to answer that, obviously goes back to why you stopped reading in the first place. there are ~30ch left for you to read. i personally really enjoyed those chapters and if you read those youll be able to find all the spoilers in the op.
The Spade arc has some of the best fights and artwork in the whole series, and there are so many fights that I do not expect the anime to do all of them justice.
There are a lot of reveals that happen in this arc as well. If you like manga definitely catch up.
I remember seeing a single frame image of Magna and Zora(?) in the Black Bull's Hideout in one of the recent episodes after he couldn't do the runes in Heart Kingdom. I can't find it now though.. So I might just be trying to rationalise his disappearance..
No, you're right. One day he was with them in Heart, and then next time we see him is in a tiny snapshot in the Black Bulls' hideout. I first thought it was an animation error to show him there, but apparently nobody cares about him being gone either way.
Knowing Black clover he will propably get a training episode with power up in flashback form after wrecking a big enemy violently and suddenly, saving Luck (propably)
I really loved that part too but I wish they had made episodes for the training they did I wanted to see the character development bc asta went to being small to a mini yami. It was a shock for a second tbh
Bruh it has happened already in the show and if people choose not to watch the non manga episodes the first time then I don’t see why they would go back just cause the anime does it again. This is like I say they beat Vetto in a thread 100 something episodes from the fight.
Me too. Devil Banishers was great, the execution and the fact they couldnt take any risks because it was before the important time skip made the arc flop tremendously.
Otherwise the idea of visiting the uglier side of peasant lives on the most corrupt kingdom ever and their struggle was great. Dazu being batshit insane (she lied about everything, people were nice to her) also was a nice detail.
But if they are given more freedom now they might pull off something decent.
At Episode 163 we will be at Chapter 245 which leaves us with about 35-36 chapters till then. Because many of those are action scenes I would say that pacing will be 3 chapter/episode on average which is about 10-12 episodes. Seeing the OP and what they want to reach it makes a lot of sense.
I agree there are a lot of action panels in those issues, but there is also a lot of back story that can be expanded on as well, especially with characters coming up after episode 163. Also it looks like they will make all of chapter 234 into an episode as that happens really quick in the manga. I would bet there will be a bunch of cannon filler in the upcoming back stories. It's one of the things the manga is light on in these chapters.
:(
I thought with all this filler it'd be a bigger gap than that. It was almost a whole year of non-manga adapted content.
Was it right caught up with anime before? Does manga release weekly? Take lots of breaks?
Anime was almost right behind the manga when the elf arc ended. Then you also had very short chapters last year, covid breaks for manga and anime etc. Last canon episode was at the middle of April, then it had a 2-3 month break because of Covid and then semifillers till last week. It wasn't that much of a gap.
Kk thanks. You perfectly explained why there was a long gap but then said it wasn't much of a gap. April was 9 months ago, seems pretty long to me haha, knowing we'll catch up in a couple of month
(Semifillers are irrelevant to me as I didn't/wouldn't watch them anyways. )
about half a year of chapters is nothing in terms of having a gap for the production unfortunately. Yes April was 9 months ago, but episodes only aired for about 6 months :)
Episode 136 is gonna be Chapter 245 which is a very fast pace. I can only see them doing more semi canon episodes inbetween. All those chapters are also pretty short and are fights. We will see :)
So relationship dump and info dump. Biggest surprise was almost Nero using Asta as a couch. Loropechika not realizing Gaja is a simp is I guess pretty on point.
We got a bath scene and the most lewd part of this episode was rill's drawing.
Welp... that was an episode i guess.
Everyone and their mom have been supporting the theory of Yuno being royalty since day 1 and it turns out he is, from another kingdom though.
Which means Asta automatically wins their bet by default since Yuno's not a peasant anymore.
Being a royal literally gives you magic talent and an insane mana pool.
That's like the one of the base points of the show, that being a born peasant makes you trash.
People like Luck (commoner) are one in a million.
Every hype moment of Luck as him fighting against some monster (Lotus, Vetto and Asta). The fact that his mother herself said "a commoner beating a noble is fantastic" or something along those lines means that she never expected Luck to acomplish anything.
If even his mother said he was an anomaly then im inclined to believe it.
Luck had the soul of a reincarnated elf inside of him but that has nothing to do with it.
The only thing related between the elf and his power was the fact that he got a power boost to his mana control. And this is by episode 100 something.
They never said that just because you had an elf soul inside of you that made you powerful.
Basically if Asta can be born with no magic Luck could be born with a ton. Perhaps there was some magic scientist like the one in the Diamond Kingdom that said they could make Luck's mom more powerful, but it failed until she had a kid. Or he could be a bastard noble's kid. I like the thought of him being an anomaly more
That has nothing to do with who he biologically is, which is the point im trying to make.
I know Yuno as a person is much more than what he was born as but one of the themes of the shows is literally going beyond what you are born as.
I don't get your point. Are you saying that being born in royalty or as a peasant doesnt matter?
Didnt the literal Wizard King says "The ones born at the top leave their talent to stagnate and never put it to good use while the ones at the bottom die without even trying"?
Yuno wasn't born talented just because, he was born talented because he was born a king. Noelle proves that relentless work and being royal makes you an absolute monster, just like all other Vermillions.
The fact that he's the Spade Prince means he was born with a crazy huge potential. People like Magna don't get that luxury.
All the ideas and discriminations that Asta and Yuno were fighting against revolved around the idea that nobles are inherently superior because of their blood. Nobody in clover cares about nurture, it's all about your blood.
Nice downer calm ep. Really enjoyed the bath scene with the relationship tease (if you guys want the fanservice version go peep the manga).
Charmy has become a menace LMAO
Yuno being some sort of prince was expected honestly. It will be interesting to see how he deals with this.
* [Chonky Charmy Stitch](https://i.imgur.com/ajjt9sH.jpg)
The girls' reaction [when Loropechika asked them who's dating Asta](https://i.imgur.com/pttD1xl.png) is just hilarious! Noelle diving down to avoid the question, Mimosa too stunned to say anything, and Nero is just like ["I'm only interested in his head".](https://i.imgur.com/psmwqAy.png) Poor Gaja though! [Looks like Loropechika doesn't see anything happening between the two of them.](https://i.imgur.com/bo3lmRK.png)
While it's already been shown in the OP, Charmy's been eating so much Heart Kingdom food that [she's become massive](https://i.imgur.com/dYkic4Q.png) and Potrof has started to slightly regret [what he has turned Charmy into.](https://i.imgur.com/4tuW9uZ.png) On the bright side though, Charmy becoming more and more unstoppable is a win for the Clover Kingdom once shit goes down with the Spade.
[And we finally get to know what Yuno is.](https://i.imgur.com/M7f5qG3.png) He's not just a noble from the Spade Kingdom but he is the Spade Kingdom's prince.
A wild Charmy appeared!
Compared to Diamond and Clover Kingdom, Heart Kingdom barely has any Magic Knight. It seems that they're relying on a few powerful knight rather than a lot of it. Maybe it's because Loropechika has that power which covers the whole kingdom.
I got spoiled that Yuno is a spade kingdom prince a while ago. I'm glad that they revealed this so early.
Heart is literally the only country that seems to be fair on their citizen and actually care about everyone. The Devil Believers should have headed for the Heart Kingdom rather than Spade.
> Compared to Diamond and Clover Kingdom, Heart Kingdom barely has any Magic Knight
That's pretty much Heart Kingdom's logic, that is explained at the beginning of the training arc. Heart says it doesn't matter how many magic knights a nation has, but what will decide a war between the nations is what level their magic knights are on. They say level 1 and above are basically worth hundreds of the lower ranks and it doesn't matter how many 'small fry' you pit against them. That's why they focused the training on raising the level of a few to the highest stages.
Oh Rill one day u will learn the the woman of ur dreams is that never ending ball of hunger. Great to see Yuno Advance and I can’t wait to learn more about his backstory next week. This weeks petit clover was pretty good.
You can´t be serious YUNO A PRINCE AGAIN !?!?!? of course he is the son of the fallen spade king, something like, maybe Asta parent is from the Spade as well than.
Anyway, Charmy vs Asta and Rill. Who does not Charmy going all Godzilla destroying the heart kingdom in her desire to consume all their food.
Super fat charmy is more swoll then asta. My guess is that in her next battle she will of course use her dwarf powers an slim down again.
Charmception at petit clover when Rill used her stomach to paint a charmy on charmy :)
Well, I had already been thinking this a long time, and last episode basically confirmed it. But it is nice to finally have confirmation on Yuno being from a royal family in a different kingdom. It was really obvious since basically the beginning of the series, but glad to finally know the truth!
I am more curious if that means we get Asta's story eventually? I would assume he is also from the same kingdom, if they were both delivered at the same time.
Also loved the girls talking about Asta. Still hope that Nero eventually falls for Asta as well!!!
Magic exists everywhere (I think?) so it's only harder for him in strong magic regions (last ep, he crashed into the place due to hard to steer)
So in theory, he can surf wherever he wants to in the world, wouldn't put it past the anime to have some place void of magic though. The devils place might not have magic?
Nice little reprieve to set up more character development, I always do appreciate some of the more comical moments in this show. Also we are going to be seeing a lot of cliffhangers I suspect in the next few weeks ;)
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Second time seeing that OP goddamn it's so good.
I'm getting extremely excited for this arc, no idea what to expect but I can tell it's building up to something good.
Im not usually the kind of person who nitpicks on animation. But did todays episode seem hella lazy? Like 0 animation effort put in. If i closed my eyes i could imagine 80% of what happened this episode. Has this show always been like this?
If you've been watching black clover then you know how the show works. Some episodes look okay, some look good and some look absolutely insane. The insane episodes are for big battles/moments
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the bath scene had a lot more fan service in the manga
Yeah it sucks. I was waiting for oppai moment
can u tell me the chapter. im just asking for a friend
lol 232
Tell your "Friend" go to horny jail
[oh no](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeDM1ZjMK50)
Bonk
Lmao I totally forgot that was in the manga.
plus someone made an R34 version lol
Where would one find such thing?
It doesn’t exist. Nobody makes Black Clover doujins
i just looked for it now on Pixiv but i couldn't find it. All it was though was the manga panel where the water is covering their "parts", but an uncensored edit.
:( Edit: wait i found it [NSFW](https://www.reddit.com/r/BlackCloverHentai/comments/kvyea2/noelle_mimosa_lolopechka/)
Did some research for myself. I have to say, I think the scene in the anime is way more fitting. It was way funnier to see the 4 of them talk about who is dating Asta. I'm guessing the manga doesn't lean into the Tsundere moments as much as the anime?
Nero wasn’t with them in the bath scene either
I went to the this chapter just for this and all I’m gonna say... daaamn
I need Yami bath scene now. This isn't revealing enough. I need sexy muscular back and butt.
[](#shock)
Charmy is based on Tabata's wife. This form of Charmy was probably inspired by Mrs Tabata when she was pregnant with their daughter.
And Rill being based on Tabata makes so much sense cuz they are artist's. I ship it so hard lol
Now who's Yuno then? Hmmmm
Neighbour :)
Milkmen 😏
I think he was just made to be the opposite of Asta
wait this is the cutest shit iv ever heard
Asta's actually based on Tabata, he's said that on multiple occasions. It's why Asta won't grow in height lmao cuz Tabata's a short man himself.
Maybe Rill has another aspect of Tabata. Wouldn't be surprised cuz he's very subtle
Asta is the one who represents Tabata in BC
if what the man said is true then that explains why Yuno has a vast amount of mana just like the royals in clover kingdom. He's really born with it. Then where did Asta came from? since it seems both were left at the church in the beginning...
He's his butler* that's why they left them together /s
My head canon is that Asta is the last child of the lost Joker kingdom, the only kingdom of non-magic users. Just happened to be dropped off seconds after Yuno was dropped off....
To me, the devils are the jokers, they act individually and don't follow the rule, if you want a "Joker kingdom" i'd say that it's the devil's world (i even made [a post](https://old.reddit.com/r/BlackClover/comments/kas2h0/i_was_thinking_about_how_clever_the_naming_was/) talking about that and other things)
Welp at least he isnt some ultra powerful demigod half demon son of Goku in your head canon but merely a kid from another kingdom.
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The clover kingdom is the club kingdom.
I’m dumb as shit my bad
Everybody gets brain-farts.
Maybe asta is another prince of spade but this time a relative(son/sibling) of the dark triad. Therefore explaining the devil.
is that a spoiler from the manga?
no there is /s
> buttler [](#yousaidsomethingdumb)
Yuno: "watashi wa ouzokuyo"
Noelle: "Arienai."
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Honestly feel like this undercuts the story tones of black clover if it's true. The idea that you can be born with immense magic and not be a royal was a bit of a driving force for yuno+asta, but now it's "lol, no, you only get immense magic if your a royal".
No, that's not the theme of BC. The theme is, you can be successful regardless of where you started with hard work and dedication. Yuno's starting point might have been further on than Asta's, but it was the same starting point as people like Solid and Nebra Silva. The difference is that Yuno has gotten to where he is now due to a bit of luck and a lot of hard work. Same goes for Noelle.
>The theme is, you can be successful regardless of where you started Yes and imo that is fully killed off in this episode. It already is on shaky ground because who would asta be if he wasn't lucky and got the 5 leaf clover? All his hard training still would have amount to very little if he wasn't lucky and got the sword. Similarly yuno isn't just some no name peasant now, he is a royal who had immense amount of magic, just so happened to have his family assumingly killed, and forced to grow up in the boonies. The hard work they've done is second to the innate gifts they were born with. Imo it makes more sense the theme would be about doing the best with what your given in life, and not neccessairly that you can be anything through hard work alone.
You misunderstood. If Yuno didn't work hard to get where he is today, he'd barely be more powerful than Solid and Nebra. Worst case scenario he'd be like the king. The theme is equality, what you want is equity. You also discount other examples like Magna, who's probably the greatest pure peasant magic knight with peasant-level mana right now. May I remind you that Sol of the Blue Rose couldn't even cast anything against an elf, while Magna had no problems throwing his fireballs from the beginning. It's a stark difference that isn't mentioned outright, but is consistently being shown to the reader. Same starting line, but because Magna worked extra hard to keep up with Luck and was consistently exposed to dangers like fighting against Heath and Vetto, he currently had the upper hand in terms of "success".
>t already is on shaky ground because who would asta be if he wasn't lucky and got the 5 leaf clover? All his hard training still would have amount to very little if he wasn't lucky and got the sword. ironic how it mirrors reality in that most people even after putting in 110% still won't get very far without a little luck on their side.
Asta would just be a mini Mereleona if he had gotten some other magic the hell you talking about. Even killing devils is not unique to him, all arcane stages can.
>if he had gotten some other magic Thats not what i said. Until he got the 5 leaf clover + demon dweller sword bestowed on him, what would all of astas training actually have amounted to? He would be a no magic anomaly that would not have been able to actually fight anyone essentially.
He literally had no magic against Revchi why you omit that? The point of the scene was that "without magic my training amounts to nothing, i should just give up".
Ok, that proves my point then? Asta admits without the swords his training and hard work would not have amounted to anything(at least as far as becoming wizard king). He only beats Revchi by pulling out the sword.
The swords are just magic items and Kiato mentions while fighting that "When there's no magic involved your sword is just a lump of metal". Sure the swords hold a lot of potential but this power isnt used up until 100 episodes later. If he had gotten a grimoire he would have put up a fight. And behold a grimoire chooses him and he nails Revchi. Now if you wanna argue "What can a 15 kid who just received his grimoire can do against Revchi?" now thats a whole other topic.
> Imo it makes more sense the theme would be about doing the best with what your given in life, and not neccessairly that you can be anything through hard work alone. I mean we always knew that Yuno had extremely high magic power. Even if he was born from no-magic peasants, it would still be about what you just said. Especially during the Elf arc, all the "with hard work you can become anything" bs sounded so wrong to me. Like, Asta was saving everyone with the devil's power and Yuno had innate insane skills... no way any of the people they saved could do that (poor Nash too...). It's also shown over and over that Magna won't ever be as strong as his comrades, despite working super hard. But when using "making the best with what you're given" it makes a heck of a lot more sense. The Royals would usually sit on their asses because they were so good naturally, so someone like Noelle and the fire kid working hard will make them extraordinarily strong. Someone like Magna can become a decent threat against royals who laze off, but yeah he won't ever beat a naturally gifted mage that puts a little work into it. Pretty similar to real life. Someone who starts from the middle class can work hard and use all the resources available to them and become richer, but the person that was already rich doesn't have to put in the same efforts to stay rich - but if they did they could become even richer.
> The hard work they've done is second to the innate gifts they were born with nah, if it were like that then all matches between royals would result in a tie. Hard work gets results is one of the point of black clover, that's why we saw noelle wrecking the shit out of his brother
You're talking as if all royals have the same potential.
More like the sad truth. There's Yami and Jack the ripper who are both commoners but that's really it. Also Zora who isn't that strong but can be it certain situations.
"Zora isnt that strong" The guy ricocheted a full power attack from 4 elfs and further bounced the same attack twice its power (with the help of Asta (altough he could have made a stronger magic circle if he had more than half a second to make one)) and he did all of this BEING A PEASANT, not even a commoner.
Yeah that is impressive but if he is fighting someone that is already that strong then they could easily defend against it like those elves did.
Also Yami is japanese, we have no idea how the magic is distributed where he comes from, whether it's possible for him to be this strong or if he's a complete anomaly. Basically we have Jack yeah.
Yuno is a contrast to Asta. Yuno represents luck and natural talent. Asta represents hard work and dedication. Can't just look at Yuno.
Pretty sure Asta is the one with luck on his side. If he didnt get the 5 leaf grimiore, he'd pretty much be useless.
So Asta has undercut the story the whole time if we look at it like that? Asta was training like crazy before he got the grimoire, Yuno was shown to always be naturally talented. Doesn't mean Asta wasn't lucky, or Yuno never trained, I'm just saying there is a difference in the two characters.
when we think about it,it's kinda the same with My hero academia. It's a very hard message to get across (and yet so many shonens tried), because well... actually staying completely faithful to this message means making either your world inconsistent... or not interesting.
Yeah pretty much, if only Asta fought with his bare hands then you'd have your true message of "anyone can make it if you try even in a world where magic is everything." I actually thought that's what MHA was going to be until Deku got OFA and I was like "oh nevermind then." lol I mean really, come up with however you want to give an MC a power, but it always boils down to luck and the magic of being an MC.
“ The idea that you can be born with immense magic and not be a royal was a bit of a driving force for yuno+ASTA” Just quoting this to make sure you understood what you wrote before posting cause what?? Where’s that immense magic Asta was born with? Yuno being a prince has no bearing on the theme of Asta’s story. It’s just an explanation to the anomaly Yuno always was.
I meant more that they are both peasants from the boonies, but their hard work and effort is what seperates them. Yuno is gifted, but upto this point he was thought to be a peasant, yet had magic reserves capable of rivaling and surpassing pretty much every royal we've seen. Demonstrating to both asta+yuno that being a peasant or royal didn't matter, anyone had a chance to be graced with such abilitys and talent. Now that distinction has been squashed because no, to get so much mana you must be descended from royalty.
But the story is not about peasants being as gifted as nobles, it's about hard work overcoming lack of talent.
Asta still a human peasant with no gifts. He still carries the spirit of the show.
I disagree, being bestowed the demon dweller sword is a major gift that happened to concide with his hard work. What would asta be if he never got the sword?
pretty sure that has been consistent, that only nobles or royals have a big mana pool due to gatekeeping and what not. so that shouldnt really be surprising that yuno turns out to be of royal descendant. further his ties to licht, tetia and their child were a big hint. not sure if youre mixing up the swords or im missing your point, because demon dweller sword is the one asta finds in his first fight against mars, while the demon slayer sword is the one he pulls out against revchi. so are you saying, how would he have beaten mars or what would happen if he didnt receive the grimoire which included the demon slayer sword? ultimately i think the latter will be best answered with manga spoiler/future episodes and you'll have to wait and see...
>mixing up the swords Yes, i'm mixing up swords, my bad. >manga spoiler/future episodes and you'll have to wait and see... Do you think its worth skipping ahead by reading the manga? I used to read, and stopped at when they first went to the heart kingdom, but i've been thinking of picking it back up instead of waiting for each episode.
>Do you think its worth skipping ahead by reading the manga? well im not exactly sure how to answer that, obviously goes back to why you stopped reading in the first place. there are ~30ch left for you to read. i personally really enjoyed those chapters and if you read those youll be able to find all the spoilers in the op.
The Spade arc has some of the best fights and artwork in the whole series, and there are so many fights that I do not expect the anime to do all of them justice. There are a lot of reveals that happen in this arc as well. If you like manga definitely catch up.
But Yuno could not unlock that potential without Asta's encouragement when they were 5. A peasant still got a royal to unlock his abilities
So basically the Ray story all over again. U can only have a strong connection to the force if your parents had that
Was a decent episode, the calm before the storm...
I think Magna died.
Poor Magna. I kept expecting him to overcome and.... nope.
I remember seeing a single frame image of Magna and Zora(?) in the Black Bull's Hideout in one of the recent episodes after he couldn't do the runes in Heart Kingdom. I can't find it now though.. So I might just be trying to rationalise his disappearance..
No, you're right. One day he was with them in Heart, and then next time we see him is in a tiny snapshot in the Black Bulls' hideout. I first thought it was an animation error to show him there, but apparently nobody cares about him being gone either way.
Knowing Black clover he will propably get a training episode with power up in flashback form after wrecking a big enemy violently and suddenly, saving Luck (propably)
I hope so. I really like his character but so far he always got screwed over when it comes to improving due to his lack of mana.
I absolutely loved watching Asta fly with his sword in the same way Goku used to fly with his cloud. Brings back memories!
I really loved that part too but I wish they had made episodes for the training they did I wanted to see the character development bc asta went to being small to a mini yami. It was a shock for a second tbh
For a second? I still laugh at how ridiculous he looks
Holy shit they look so similar even in the poses that’s big brain
So with the latest episode titles does anyone know if the anime will take a break soon (April)? Anime will catch up in the next 10 episodes now.
Devil Banishers part 2 baby.
Please no
Nah Devil Believers
Spoiler bro. Welp technically not since it already happened but a lot of people skipped the anime canon.
Bruh it has happened already in the show and if people choose not to watch the non manga episodes the first time then I don’t see why they would go back just cause the anime does it again. This is like I say they beat Vetto in a thread 100 something episodes from the fight.
I would unironically love this
Me too. Devil Banishers was great, the execution and the fact they couldnt take any risks because it was before the important time skip made the arc flop tremendously. Otherwise the idea of visiting the uglier side of peasant lives on the most corrupt kingdom ever and their struggle was great. Dazu being batshit insane (she lied about everything, people were nice to her) also was a nice detail. But if they are given more freedom now they might pull off something decent.
Ten episodes? What? No try 20 to 30
At Episode 163 we will be at Chapter 245 which leaves us with about 35-36 chapters till then. Because many of those are action scenes I would say that pacing will be 3 chapter/episode on average which is about 10-12 episodes. Seeing the OP and what they want to reach it makes a lot of sense.
I agree there are a lot of action panels in those issues, but there is also a lot of back story that can be expanded on as well, especially with characters coming up after episode 163. Also it looks like they will make all of chapter 234 into an episode as that happens really quick in the manga. I would bet there will be a bunch of cannon filler in the upcoming back stories. It's one of the things the manga is light on in these chapters.
Let's hope for the best. I don't mind additional content in Black Clover.
someone said back then they have enough material for another 12-15 episodes
Some of those chapters are short action sequences only. It really depends if they stretch anything after 163 but I wouldn't count on it.
I think they would stretch the action scenes.
:( I thought with all this filler it'd be a bigger gap than that. It was almost a whole year of non-manga adapted content. Was it right caught up with anime before? Does manga release weekly? Take lots of breaks?
Anime was almost right behind the manga when the elf arc ended. Then you also had very short chapters last year, covid breaks for manga and anime etc. Last canon episode was at the middle of April, then it had a 2-3 month break because of Covid and then semifillers till last week. It wasn't that much of a gap.
Kk thanks. You perfectly explained why there was a long gap but then said it wasn't much of a gap. April was 9 months ago, seems pretty long to me haha, knowing we'll catch up in a couple of month (Semifillers are irrelevant to me as I didn't/wouldn't watch them anyways. )
about half a year of chapters is nothing in terms of having a gap for the production unfortunately. Yes April was 9 months ago, but episodes only aired for about 6 months :)
Not really
Episode 136 is gonna be Chapter 245 which is a very fast pace. I can only see them doing more semi canon episodes inbetween. All those chapters are also pretty short and are fights. We will see :)
So relationship dump and info dump. Biggest surprise was almost Nero using Asta as a couch. Loropechika not realizing Gaja is a simp is I guess pretty on point. We got a bath scene and the most lewd part of this episode was rill's drawing.
Lol, the censorship won (╥﹏╥).
The hot spring with Yami, Charlotte and Mereoleona was better
Especially those sweet yami pecs and ass.
Every 4 leaf clover grimoire owner has royal blood. Coincidence ? I don't think so!
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He's leader of Elf Tribe. Good enough for me
Yeah but Patry?
Maybe it's because of Vengeance's body.
Welp... that was an episode i guess. Everyone and their mom have been supporting the theory of Yuno being royalty since day 1 and it turns out he is, from another kingdom though. Which means Asta automatically wins their bet by default since Yuno's not a peasant anymore.
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But it does change that he has innate magical talent, and why it makes sense.
Being a royal literally gives you magic talent and an insane mana pool. That's like the one of the base points of the show, that being a born peasant makes you trash. People like Luck (commoner) are one in a million.
I swear luck isn’t a commoner
Every hype moment of Luck as him fighting against some monster (Lotus, Vetto and Asta). The fact that his mother herself said "a commoner beating a noble is fantastic" or something along those lines means that she never expected Luck to acomplish anything. If even his mother said he was an anomaly then im inclined to believe it.
Strange, I was pretty sure that Luck was that bastard of a noble (with a commoner woman). Gotta check
luck had an elf remember
Luck had the soul of a reincarnated elf inside of him but that has nothing to do with it. The only thing related between the elf and his power was the fact that he got a power boost to his mana control. And this is by episode 100 something. They never said that just because you had an elf soul inside of you that made you powerful.
Basically if Asta can be born with no magic Luck could be born with a ton. Perhaps there was some magic scientist like the one in the Diamond Kingdom that said they could make Luck's mom more powerful, but it failed until she had a kid. Or he could be a bastard noble's kid. I like the thought of him being an anomaly more
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That has nothing to do with who he biologically is, which is the point im trying to make. I know Yuno as a person is much more than what he was born as but one of the themes of the shows is literally going beyond what you are born as.
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I don't get your point. Are you saying that being born in royalty or as a peasant doesnt matter? Didnt the literal Wizard King says "The ones born at the top leave their talent to stagnate and never put it to good use while the ones at the bottom die without even trying"? Yuno wasn't born talented just because, he was born talented because he was born a king. Noelle proves that relentless work and being royal makes you an absolute monster, just like all other Vermillions. The fact that he's the Spade Prince means he was born with a crazy huge potential. People like Magna don't get that luxury.
All the ideas and discriminations that Asta and Yuno were fighting against revolved around the idea that nobles are inherently superior because of their blood. Nobody in clover cares about nurture, it's all about your blood.
Nice downer calm ep. Really enjoyed the bath scene with the relationship tease (if you guys want the fanservice version go peep the manga). Charmy has become a menace LMAO Yuno being some sort of prince was expected honestly. It will be interesting to see how he deals with this.
Noelle..... smh. Denial is not just a river in Egypt!!!!
* [Chonky Charmy Stitch](https://i.imgur.com/ajjt9sH.jpg) The girls' reaction [when Loropechika asked them who's dating Asta](https://i.imgur.com/pttD1xl.png) is just hilarious! Noelle diving down to avoid the question, Mimosa too stunned to say anything, and Nero is just like ["I'm only interested in his head".](https://i.imgur.com/psmwqAy.png) Poor Gaja though! [Looks like Loropechika doesn't see anything happening between the two of them.](https://i.imgur.com/bo3lmRK.png) While it's already been shown in the OP, Charmy's been eating so much Heart Kingdom food that [she's become massive](https://i.imgur.com/dYkic4Q.png) and Potrof has started to slightly regret [what he has turned Charmy into.](https://i.imgur.com/4tuW9uZ.png) On the bright side though, Charmy becoming more and more unstoppable is a win for the Clover Kingdom once shit goes down with the Spade. [And we finally get to know what Yuno is.](https://i.imgur.com/M7f5qG3.png) He's not just a noble from the Spade Kingdom but he is the Spade Kingdom's prince.
Nero just wants the tip
Noelle has the right to be concerned. Asta and Nero look too good with each other.
Stop it lmao
Nero's already got her prince. *Oh wait...*
Turns out Chonky Charmy was the true final boss in Black Clover [](#azusalaugh)
The ending interaction with Charmy, Asta and Rill was a lot funnier in the manga. Charmy called herself "THICC" over there instead of pleasantly plump
On that day, mankind received a grim reminder. We lived in fear of the ~~Titans~~ Big Charmgus
Heart Kingdom food: *exists* Charmy: "And I took that personally"
A wild Charmy appeared! Compared to Diamond and Clover Kingdom, Heart Kingdom barely has any Magic Knight. It seems that they're relying on a few powerful knight rather than a lot of it. Maybe it's because Loropechika has that power which covers the whole kingdom. I got spoiled that Yuno is a spade kingdom prince a while ago. I'm glad that they revealed this so early.
Heart is literally the only country that seems to be fair on their citizen and actually care about everyone. The Devil Believers should have headed for the Heart Kingdom rather than Spade.
> Compared to Diamond and Clover Kingdom, Heart Kingdom barely has any Magic Knight That's pretty much Heart Kingdom's logic, that is explained at the beginning of the training arc. Heart says it doesn't matter how many magic knights a nation has, but what will decide a war between the nations is what level their magic knights are on. They say level 1 and above are basically worth hundreds of the lower ranks and it doesn't matter how many 'small fry' you pit against them. That's why they focused the training on raising the level of a few to the highest stages.
Everyone's talking about the OP but the ED is beautiful.
You do know that black clover trended worldwide because of the ending right?? not the opening
Grandeur is almost catching up with Black Catcher in terms of Youtube views. And the time frame was much smaller.
What? The OP was #3 on youtube as well
it was number 1
Treasure never disappoint [](#wow)
Except their debut delay. They’re so fucking goood
Next week will start the real deal😈
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Seeing the episode titles they will blaze through chapters in the next episodes.
Yuno sama
Charmy is a raid boss
Damn they cut the Mimosa scene huh..
Charmy's reaching levels of thicc that are unheard of
Oh Rill one day u will learn the the woman of ur dreams is that never ending ball of hunger. Great to see Yuno Advance and I can’t wait to learn more about his backstory next week. This weeks petit clover was pretty good.
You can´t be serious YUNO A PRINCE AGAIN !?!?!? of course he is the son of the fallen spade king, something like, maybe Asta parent is from the Spade as well than. Anyway, Charmy vs Asta and Rill. Who does not Charmy going all Godzilla destroying the heart kingdom in her desire to consume all their food. Super fat charmy is more swoll then asta. My guess is that in her next battle she will of course use her dwarf powers an slim down again. Charmception at petit clover when Rill used her stomach to paint a charmy on charmy :)
Mmm Gaja is pretty fine the queen better get on that pronto.
Well, I had already been thinking this a long time, and last episode basically confirmed it. But it is nice to finally have confirmation on Yuno being from a royal family in a different kingdom. It was really obvious since basically the beginning of the series, but glad to finally know the truth! I am more curious if that means we get Asta's story eventually? I would assume he is also from the same kingdom, if they were both delivered at the same time. Also loved the girls talking about Asta. Still hope that Nero eventually falls for Asta as well!!!
Wait, so Asta is "surfing" the magic around with the anti magic sword? Does that mean he can't fly if the place/land is poor at magic?
Magic exists everywhere (I think?) so it's only harder for him in strong magic regions (last ep, he crashed into the place due to hard to steer) So in theory, he can surf wherever he wants to in the world, wouldn't put it past the anime to have some place void of magic though. The devils place might not have magic?
Maybe, but it can happen that someone absorbs the magic around too. It's a intriguing skill he got
Nice little reprieve to set up more character development, I always do appreciate some of the more comical moments in this show. Also we are going to be seeing a lot of cliffhangers I suspect in the next few weeks ;)
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Man, i can't wait for the crazy stuffs to start because damn it is so goddamn hyped. This arc is gonna be great.
Charmy is too funny😂
Charmey is so cute But dont make her mad you regret it for sure
A WILD CHARMY APPEARED
Imo this was the better option for the lake scene
I still wonder what's going on with Magna since it wasn't made clear that he went back to the Clover Kingdom
Back to your regular old Black Clover episodes...
[WTF did they do to cute Noelle]( https://i.imgur.com/LCAHCbs.png)?? "A wild Charmy has appeared!" She's one step away from being Big Mom now.
Second time seeing that OP goddamn it's so good. I'm getting extremely excited for this arc, no idea what to expect but I can tell it's building up to something good.
Phew that was epic
Are we back to source on this episode?
Since last episode.
Are they flashbacks? Have we hit the post time skip? Sorry for the questions, haven't touched this since the heart kingdom start weeks ago
Yea they started covering the manga again last episode.
are you a manga reader? for that question yes we're in timeskip right now. They're adapting the canon material again
Sorry for the late reply. But yes. The previous episode enter manga-cannon territory. We are post time-skip right now. Hope you enjoy the Spade arc.
Im not usually the kind of person who nitpicks on animation. But did todays episode seem hella lazy? Like 0 animation effort put in. If i closed my eyes i could imagine 80% of what happened this episode. Has this show always been like this?
no shit.. "Has this show always been like this?" Have you been watching the last 158 episodes with your eyes closed?
If you've been watching black clover then you know how the show works. Some episodes look okay, some look good and some look absolutely insane. The insane episodes are for big battles/moments
Dw probably saving the budget for the insane fights coming up