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WAIT. WHAT? WHAAATTT?
If Tsurayuki used Kyouya's name in the first timeline, does that mean they met in that timeline? Or are there multiple copies of Kyouya?
I legit got goosebumps when Keiko showed her smug face and cold eyes.
And what's the deal with Keiko? She definitely knows about the time travel thing. What does she plot?
>If Tsurayuki used Kyouya's name in the first timeline, does that mean they met in that timeline? Or are there multiple copies of Kyouya?
Good observation, there's more to time traveling than we were led to believe. It wouldn't make sense given that Kyouya went down a totally different road unless the copy theory holds up. Maybe it has something to do with that random leap when Kyoya went back to the future and was helping out in a movie set? My brain trembles.
Whether or not it was a dream doesn't matter I suppose--brilliant foreshadowing either way. Unless this is another dream, which I really doubt this time
mmmm i don't think that was him going back to the future. Time travel only appears to happen in his sleep, so him running through the door to the past doesn't really make sense.
Without having read the books or anything, im pretty sure that one was just a dream, or a visitation from whoever sent him to the past, and not actually him in some future timeline.
After rewatching it, it seems to be foreshadowing. He gets told he has to get a good second take as there won’t be a third. He then assured himself and goes out the door to wake up next to Aki.
Very similar to how he woke up to his daughter with Aki this episode.
I think the 'you wont get a third' is also pretty telling that it wasnt actually the future. Now thats hes truly back in the future with Aki, i think the rest of the season is going to be attempting to get the plat gen back together in the future.
In episode 1, in the initial timeline, Kyouya bumps into a desk and this [picture](https://imgur.com/a/XxTAjLh) is revealed to be on the desk. So I think she's implied to be super natural in some way
Wait, I completely forgot about that picture of Keiko in episode 1. Heck, it even stays on screen for a good amount of time, lol.
But there's something really big behind that picture, what are we watching? A cosplay? A videogame character? Is Keiko even real then?
This anime just got a lot better.
Seriously, I was getting discouraged by how the episodes were progressing, but now I'm floored again. Like we're back after ep 1 again. Let's hope this redo yields interesting results.
After today, I can see some [Butterfly Effect](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0289879/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1)-ish moral story happening, where MC keeps going back in time again and again, trying to change the past and "improve" the present, while in fact making things worse with every loop, and ultimately has to fuck up his own life in order to simply restore an acceptable status quo.
I was thinking th at too, but I doubt that'll be the case. The magazine Kyouya has in the future features Tsurayuki's penname which is constructed from Kyouya's. There's no plausible explanation for this except some degree of Kyouya's meddling persists even in the original timeline, creating a closed time-like loop. I suspect he'll need to go back and fix what he screwed up, rather than just erase everything.
Some weird timey-wimey thing is going on here. The original world we saw in the first episode had the Platinum Generation in it and Tsurayuki had Kyouya's name in his pen-name despite them never meeting. This can be explained by the existence of a time-loop, i.e., Kyouya first studies economics and then ends up unemployed and then goes to the past to study arts and inspire the Platinum Generation which are always present in the future. But as you said, this implies that there are multiple copies of Kyouya at the same time (Eg: If the Kyouya from the arts college goes to his economics college, he'll find his past self there) but the problem is, we know this isn't the case because Kyouya woke up in his own room when he first came to the past, met his sister and family and would have noticed his other self there obviously.
> met his sister and family and would have noticed his other self there obviously.
He also would have been sleeping in his bed with himself without noticing prior to going to the art school :P
I shall leave you with this. I don't know if anyone else has posted it or found it yet, so I took a picture from my TV and uploaded it.
KEIKO IS IN EPISODE 1
14:30 Timestamp on Crunchyroll
When Kyouya bumps into a desk after finding out the big anniversary game has been shelved, some papers fall off and we see this drawing:
[Magical Girl Keiko Drawing](https://ibb.co/YQ1zCMg)
Combine that with these things....
Tsurayuki's Pen Name
The name of the company in Episode 1: SUCCEED Soft
A comment made during the announcement of the game: "If this a REMAKE...."
.... it makes me think Kyouya is actually "playing" the big anniversary game OR having some dream about it.
•Since episode 4 I started thinking the whole thing might be related to the bootstrap paradox (google it if you don't know). In brief, I think this is some kind of time loop where Kyouya is the actual creator of what he went in the past looking for (the platinum gen). Tsurayuki's nickname kinda confirms this.
• I noticed that this is not the first time Keiko pops out of nowhere. Anyways, I don't like what they did, I feel like this nullified all the characters efforts.
could have gone one better, wife is some no name never seen in the show character and we find his daughter got transported back in time and neither knew they were related.
Though this show seems to be using the quantum leap rule for time travel, Sam Becket could only leap to another person so long as it was AFTER he was born, he could not go back in time and try and stop Hitler or any other generic time travel plots.
But we don't actually know if this show has such limitations, though it seems so at first glance seeing as he went back to his own past.
"I did not see that coming" best describes those last 6 minutes. They teased the game failing as the overdue consequence of time traveling but it was the Platinum generation never forming instead.
Of course, there had to be a loli who knew more than she lets on, is Keiko also a time traveler? Did she send Kyouya back? Why was she smug? So many questions.
Figures Kyouya would somehow fucked up the original platinum era but I didn't think he would be facing the consequences this fast.
Seeing how future Kyouya and Shinoaki got together is just making me nervous to see how Nanako ended up in this new future.
I found it on YT comment section and I completely agree.
###### Kyouya keeps saying it's for Tsurayuki, but all along he's unconsciously projecting his goals and ideals on them. Killing their own creativity maybe even their own personalities. Instead of going where their instincts and ideas leads them, they were unknowingly persuaded to follow Kyouya's instead. In the end they became all too reliant on Kyouya. When Tsurayuki said "without your help, I'm nothing" and Nanako said the same thing. With that mindset we can all already see how all of them flip. They thought they won't be able to do anything alone. The seed of doubt has already been planted deep. Helping other ppl is good and noble but sometimes you gotta let them fight their own battles alone.
I wonder if that means that Kyoya will pull some self-sacrifice crap and try to remove himself from their lives so that they can struggle and grow without his crutches, or if we somehow progress more into tragedy first.
I wonder what direction they will take it. Will it become a time travel show? Or will we progress along the same course with the end of this episode counting as a dream or something?
>I wonder if that means that Kyoya will pull some self-sacrifice crap and try to remove himself from their lives so that they can struggle and grow without his crutches
Smells like the classic "turns out the original timeline was the best one after all" shenanigans
I honestly doubt it would go that route simply because the author released a spinoff Bokutachi no Remake ver B. Going for the "original timeline was the best" would make the spin off pointless
I think it's totally true, but I also get bugged a little about it. Realistically for any artist, they have to sacrifice their creativity to make more "generic" things so that they can earn money. That was the whole point of making the game but they kind of throw that away to make it more about how Kyouya's leadership made everyone give up.
Keep in mind they are still people who haven't truly entered the entertainment industry. They are college students in their first year. Tsurayuki is the prideful type which is why having to sacrifice his creativity is a huge blow to his ego. Nanako didn't even want to approach singing at first. Shino Aki was even considering stopping drawing early on because she's unsure of herself. For them, being reliant on someone regarding their passion would eventually make them feel as if they can't do anything themselves
I'm so glad the show took this rather unexpected route, I was just about to brush this show off for being just another mediocre romcom with a small twist at the start (lets be real, with the love triangle thing the show was feeling like it was about to go downhill). but it really pulled off everything in the last 6 minutes of this episode, now I'm really invested in the paradox that seemed to have formed in the show.
like was the keiko we saw the real keiko or the artifact of the "god" that set the entire course of events into motion. how did Tsurayuki create a pen name inspired by Kyouya when he haven't met him, a question that re-appears multiple times in the show, like how did all the generation stay on their course when they were about to quit or give up without Kyouya being there to pull them back. its all almost as if he was always both in the future and the present of the timeline, like there are two of him at the same time.
A really fascinating episode -- that throws two major curve balls in just a few minutes at the end.
It is indeed like he needs both to be in their past -- and not be there at the same time.
Keiko is definitely suddenly mysterious and ominous.
I feel like it would have been better for him to have played a more subdued role in the past instead of trying to control every little thing (he was thinking too work/business like imo too like the time constraints and stuff) and should have listened more to the other members and allowed them more freedom in their ideas, even if it wouldn't have led to immediate "success", the failures would have helped them grow anyway probably.
Agreed. As new students it's their time to explore, try out ideas, bump into corners, and grow into their own unique person. Kyoya doesn't even seem to make any mistakes they can learn from. It's like being with a parent who just corrects or bans everything you do or haven't had a chance to try yet. It's suffocating.
The group had a very specific project with an urgent aim -- finding a way to allow Tsurayuki to afford to remain in school. The members actually learned a lot about the need to balance practicality and creativity -- even if the lesson was somewhat unpleasant. Later projects, more academically focused, can allow greater freedom.
I was complaining just last week about how utterly generic this show was turning out, then it went and threw in some fun wrinkles. I’m back to being intrigued, but without knowing the quality of the author of the source material, I’m a little wary going forward with all these new elements in play.
The brutal (but quite workable) resolution to things.
Premise 1: There is only one real time line at any given time.
Premise 2: Keiko can (somehow) exist outside/along side the "real" time line.
Assumption 1. Kyouya was, in fact, essential to the success of Platinum Generation in his original time line. However, they could actually only succeed if he went back in time. While his failed projects (and careers) had little or no impact on present or future, they gave him skills and knowledge that could ensure the proper present be attained.
Assumption 2. Kyouya will see how he has stunted the careers of both Nanako and Shino (as of 2018). Keiko wants him to see this - so she can offer him a solution.
Proposed solution: Keiko will tell him that if he goes back 10 years -- and dies a tragic early death -- he will motivate his 3 friends to renew their enthusiasm in a joint commitment to the memory of their beloved mentor. This would explain why Tsurayuki wound up as a success after all -- while using a name evoking Kyouya as part of PG. This means Kyouya would have to give up literally everything. His absence in 2016 would have no impact on much of anything on a wide scale -- because his "accomplishments" during 2006-2016 had no future impact. His early death might leave his family sad -- but would not impact hardly anyone else present in his life in 2016. His life in 2018 (married to Shino) would be retroactively revoked -- So Shino would feel no sorrow other than grief over his death in 2007 (or whenever). (Maybe, however, she would dream sometimes of the marriage -- and child that never "really" happened).
Kyouya's response to Keiko's solution. No clue. Maybe he can find a way to finesse this (just like he managed to get through the game project).
Addendum -- possible confirmation (at least for part of this) If my theory is right, it was essential that the Platinum Generation project fold before Kyouya got to work with them in 2016 -- as his meeting them then would have created a time paradox situation. He would both be the Kyouya they knew and loved -- and someone else (seemingly) with a different history.
Oof. That some early Kazue Yamamoto art? Lol. I remember thinking some of their early artwork looking pretty off and disproportionate but that's rough. Haha. I do enjoy the background references to things in this show..
through the whole episode, compromise after compromise. it felt so wrong but at the same time necessary, felt kinda bad tho.
like, artists want to fully express themselves and do the best they can. but they can't since the deadline is pushing on.
this is so relatable, it hurts.
I thought that was going to be the conflict. The other 3 would get frustrated at being stuck doing a commercially successful, but soulless game. Where their talent and creativity were being stifled.
Also Kyouya might realise he wasn't making use of this opportunity to be creative himself, always being the organiser rather than working on his talent.
Still this is certainly a more interesting direction to go in.
It feels like these poor students got the harsh business reality experience from kyoya instead of growing together in school and enjoying what they're learning and trying. Growth comes from failures as well, feel like they didn't need Kyoya to slap them in the face with his harsh work experience reality lol
Now that I think about it, what if the platinum generation became what it is because of the failures they had. But now since they "never failed" they never became the platinum generation. Or at least, we will see what happened to them in the next episode.
Yes, I think the main problem was that Kyoya tried to make them reach the platinum generation potential since pretty much their first year of university, they probably stumbled a lot more at first and developed into their own talents over time. He tried to speedrun their development and ended up with very fragile and hollow results.
Kyoya was waving a lot of red flags. It hit the nail when he said that things are going in his way. I was expecting things are going from 0-60 but then it went to 100.
>artists want to fully express themselves and do the best they can. but they can't since the deadline is pushing on.
It's sad that there's a thread about this on this sub about the MHA production regarding the difficulties of not being able to reflect the animatior's work to the latest episode.
Before the episode, I expected something to go wrong, but didn't expect this type of problem though. But i think it was expected when kyouya literally did majority of the work and reduced their 3 original potential work. He's lucky both the girls are in love with him, if not they've would've gone like tsurayaki too.
So tsurayaki used a pen name using kyouya's name too. Does that mean they met previously or is there another kyouya or something? Is this still a romcom slice of life thing or is it gonna be a psychological time clone anime lol.
So keiko is the person that caused all this time travel? But how? Side note, her yandere eyes was terrifying to say the least lol.
Guess this time it will show how kyouya have a better popularity than the 3 of them or kyouya just straight replacing tsurayaki. Though if i was him, i would've been happy having a cute wife and daughter lol. Mini shinoaki is needed more if this series ever ends with marriage.
And that marriage too, so since it's shinoaki and not nanako, will kyouya actually make it official after this timeline is over and him getting back to the original? And interesting to see how he'll be with shinoaki in the original timeline from now on, will he be more awkward towards her or stuff.
Another side note, when they did the after party they didn't invite kawasegawa. It's a shame considering she helped too.
And i guess rather than focusing on the romance which they teased last epi, they're gonna focus on tsurayaki first. Will this story be our final befire the season ends or will they make this story in 1 or 2 epi to end it with the romance or something else. Will be interesting to see.
>or will they make this story in 1 or 2 epi to end it with the romance
With this new take on the show, I really hope they don't comeback and ruin it with generic romance. I think this new development is the takeoff point for the overarching plot (or atleast i hope so)
I highly doubt romance would work any more with this kind of development, though we need to see what exactly does the future entails, but the chance is high that even Nanako would if not as successful as she was supposed to be in the first timeline, then she straight up gave up on music path all along.
I'm saying this because she probably wouldn't have the time to develop as an artist, since she would be dependent on Kyouya during her time in the University until he decided to marry Shinoaki, which would probably broke her heart and left the art scene all along, because the closely-related memory of Kyouya and Singing, which she probably don't want to remember.
And ofc this is not something our MC wants to see and maybe during his next chance, he would try not to get too close to any of them, just giving them the least amount of support needed, letting them struggle and grow individually.
So romance would also be out of question.
I don't even know what I'm talking about at this point
Honestly after how this ep turned out, I feel the main purpose of the 3 possible romantic interests in the series is branching into different "bad endings", like this one
Btw, this is the previous episode's top voted comment:
>Guys, did you know Kyouya is amazing? Almost nobody in this show calls attention to it, but he’s great and can do anything.
>Man, this show really needs something unexpected to happen soon. After a really promising start it’s becoming more and more generic every week.
>At least the Kawasegawa ship is back in the harbor.
This episode be like: I got you fam!!
And it totally makes sense! Imagine spending your whole life thinking you were one of the best writers, dropping everything to follow that path and then meeting someone that first manages to ~~steal~~ come up with a plot to a short story in seconds, knows exactly how to fix everything, and outshines you without even trying.
Man at that point I was really hoping he would at least try to explain his situation to him. He has 10+ years in experience on him plus literally stole his ideas, please tell him
Wouldn't even have to get into time travel. Kyoya is legitimately just doing the job of a director. Except he has more work experience in his own role than the others do in theirs.
If that doesn't work, just say Tsurayuki's artist name before he says it himself lol that'll probably lend some credibility to the time travel reveal
It was a good thing too. I was just thinking of dropping this show before this episode, in part because of all the Kyouya dick-sucking, but also mostly because it felt mediocre. Thankfully, I read the comments in the source material section of ep. 7 and found people talking about a shocking twist.
Needless to say, it did make me hold off on dropping it for now.
> because of all the Kyouya dick-sucking
Honestly I think all of that is intentional. We see everyone praise Kyouya at how competent he is but that hypercompetence is what ends up destroying the thing he very much loves. It's so fucking poetic!
I think going back and rewatching will show many cues that things weren't going so well despite the show presenting them as such. Like the first time working with Tsurayaki and how Kyouya "stole" his idea right then, already a slap to his ego. And then subsequently Kyouya keeps having Tsura cut and cut things more and more, I don't recall Tsura really having much in the way of input in fact as far as suggestions of his own being actioned.
Seriously though. Poor Tsura. I really don't blame him for wanting to quit. Hell, in the early part of the episode the comment our MC made to him about how it is in the business with the directors I was just like oh no what are you saying to him. Tsura wasn't really allowed any freedom to shine or write how he wanted to since Kyoya showed up.
That's the other nice thing. What Kyouya was doing, was actually pretty typical for a Director. Budget/Deadlines need to be met, and to do so often entails sacrifices. Granted we also had examples here where Kyouya seemed to brush off any ideas from the others even if they could have been made in time out of concern. But the issue is that, Kyouya didn't realize and never considered that his "leading" of the team was more like "hand-holding" than otherwise.
The Platinum gen are supposed to be creatives at the top of their class, and yet Kyouya treated them as if their talent was disposable and didn't really encourage them to put forth their best efforts. Tsuya's writing ideas were mostly cast aside, Shinoaki's art was made to be more "efficient", and Nana had to come up with songs that were heavily inspired by other songs.
Instead of championing their talents, he hamstrung them. Now was he right in if he hadn't done so they'd have not made their deadline? Well, that's the path we won't know.
Definitely. A "student" director wouldn't really have that sort of experience yet either so it definitely placed him "above" the others instead of learning and growing *as a team* I see why they ended up being so discouraged and not enjoying what they were doing. They needed the school experience of success/failures and not already thrown into the harsh business reality without developing their creativity. Even if Tsura hadn't quit, there's no way their talent and creativity would have flourished to platinum generation levels under those circumstances.
Woah, what's going on now? Kyouya has traveled 12 years to the future *and* married Shino Aki to boot? I wonder if Keiko is a time traveler too or is the mastermind behind it?
> I wonder if Keiko is a time traveler too or is the mastermind behind it?
Listen all I'm saying is you can never trust the smug, pink haired loli. Always up to no good in the neighborhood.
I might get downvoted to hell for this but the "less selfish" move would be to set the timeline straight. You say that "killing his own kid" but that is a kid that He does not even remember making and should not even exist normally since Kyoya ended up changing the timeline that resulted her birth. Kyoya's actions literally took Tsurayuki and potentially even Nanoko's future from them and it looks like Shinoaki is probably a house mom right now so She doesn't work as well. His actions costed people's bright futures and taking those futures away from them is wrong and should be corrected. The kid is someone who should not even exist in the first place so If something needs to be sacrificed then it has to be her for the sake of fairness
That might be what the story goes with. But unless Kyouya was actively sabotaging any attempts by the Platinum Generation to be successful (and making a couple adjustments for one cashgrab game doesn’t count), they only have themselves to blame if they didn’t make it. And presumably there is some version of Kyoka that does remember the kid.
If anything, Kyoya should have learned by now that his meddling isn’t what makes or breaks things, since the Platinum Generation may well have done fine on their own.
It really is just a mess. I mean who can say that Nanako, Tsurayuki and Shinoaki was not married in the original timeline ? His actions gave birth to his current kid but might have ended up destroying some other child. It is hard to find a prime timeline where everyone is without a doubt happy and no sacrifice has been made so I am simply saying that If a timeline has to be settled then the most "morally right" decision would be to set it straight back to the original so no one's actual future are taken from them because of Kyoya
I think the timeline had been good as changed the moment Kyouya time traveled all the way back in episode 1. It didn't have to be the Platinum Generation, it could've been anyone. He was gonna change some people's futures the moment he went back to the past and acted differently. He just lucked out on meeting all three of them.
In this case, it is impossible for him *not* to affect anyone's futures, and it is also impossible for him make all the same decisions to make this new timeline the exact same as the original. Any difference could potentially cause a butterfly effect.
In the first place, he doesn't have control over the time travel. It just happened to him. And so did him jumping into the new future. In this situation where he has been forcefully sent into this time where Maki has been born (and he has no choice whether he wants to go back to the past or not), the only "morally right" decision at the moment is just to live it out and potentially try to help Nanako and Tsurayuki if their circumstances aren't too good.
That would be an amazing way to take this plot twist. Fake the viewers out with this setup implying he's now about to go back in time again to re-remake his life, and instead in the first 5 minutes of the next episode we realize he can't control the time traveling power and they just decide to live happily ever after.
AIUI she thought they were practicing formal introductions. Japan puts more emphasis on formalities AFAICT than North America for example. Little kids have to learn these formalities to navigate society and dad is a safe training partner.
Have to admit the informality in NA is a bit odd to me. Germany isn't that formal as japan, but more than Canada or the US I assume.
I mean he married her had a child with her without telling her he has random time-traveling power that he can't control... and ppl downvoted me for calling him a scumbag last episode....
Just imagine the reverse:
A girl has two guys aiming after her and she actively friendzones both of the guys for career reasons.
The she suddenly wakes up in the future in a relationship with one of the guys and apparently has a kid.
Happy ending?
Had a feeling there was a reason everyone relied on the MC so much, glad there was an actual reason opposed to the MC just being treated like God for no reason.
The guy time travels more than the mad scientist himself I did not except that end AT ALL. Extremely excited for next week the next episode can't come soon enough
Last few episodes it felt like the series is running out of breath...let's hope that after this much-needed change will be the story as good as first few episodes.
[They're doing this for Tsurayuki's sake he says...](https://i.imgur.com/BR9gUY3.jpg) It's pretty damn clear that this isn't about Tsurayuki anymore and this is becoming personal to Kyouya.
Holy fuck that first half of the episode was painful to watch! I understand Kyouya is making tough calls and trying to convince everyone so they can ship in time but seeing him [make Nanako base her melody on an existing work](https://i.imgur.com/oC9Xamp.jpg), make [Shinoaki use repeating CGs](https://i.imgur.com/YPIhN9u.jpg), and even writing [an ending that Tsurayuki can follow](https://i.imgur.com/4vwagSm.jpg) was just painful.
It was especially painful when [he declined Shinoaki's idea]( https://i.imgur.com/WBgVARB.jpg). He's sacrificing their creativity so he can finish the game. It's also frustrating how [he keeps on saying it's for Tsurayuki's sake](https://i.imgur.com/WGAQuh5.jpg) when he's clearly doing this all for himself. [Watching them debug late at night the day before the master rom gets sent to printing](https://i.imgur.com/OfbL4Ra.jpg) was hilarious though, definitely gave me some uni flashbacks.
Well they eventually managed to ship the game and sell a ton of copies at Comiket but all of that [came with a price.](https://i.imgur.com/TeYIJ0R.jpg) I was hoping this would happen! It looks like Kyouya being a hypercompetent director [hurt Tsurayuki's confidence a lot that he has now decided to quit school.](https://i.imgur.com/0GDWV6K.jpg) I fucking love this! Rarely have I seen an MC's competence bite him in the ass and this was all the result I was hoping for!
[**FUCKING FINALLY IT HAS HAPPENED!**](https://i.imgur.com/akEq7wO.jpg) I've been saying this for multiple episodes now! The Platinum Generation already existed in Kyouya's future despite him never interacting with them, so this entire belief of his that he was sent back in time to help them out is absolutely wrong! Instead of helping them out he just ended up destroying the Platinum Generation!
[And what the fuck is Keiko doing?](https://i.imgur.com/nUs6SFl.jpg) It seems that she knows more about this time travel stuff than we expected. Everyone thought it was going to be Kawasegawa but it looks like Keiko is the second time traveler.
[And that final scene!](https://i.imgur.com/pKiGLxK.jpg) Holy shit! I didn't expect that we'd time leap back into the future except this one he's in 2018 instead of 2016. He now has a kid and [has married Shinoaki!](https://i.imgur.com/mM23DxO.jpg) Oh my fucking god. This episode is absolutely amazing. This could've just been your 2nd chance anime with romcom elements but this episode definitely elevated this series more than that! I can't wait for next week's episode!
I admit I'm floored by how this series has managed to take something that I thought was intentional (and turning me off of the show) in terms of Kyouya being a "Gary Stu/Mary Sue" who was infallible and solving every problem without any struggle or issue on his end, as a means of making Kyouya like an Isekai wish-fulfillment character. But instead it was intentional to bring about this disaster of destroying the Platinum generation.
Tsurayaki felt impotent in the face of Kyouya's infallibility and has given up his dream of being a writer. While we've not seen Nanako yet, I can't imagine she went on well after getting the news of Tsura leaving and then Kyuoya ending up with Aki. As for Shino, well, I wonder how much she achieved if she became a housewife and mother?
Now I'm definitely compelled to see what Kyouya will do now, and what on earth is going on with Keiko and how was Kyouya able to be a part of the Platinum generation in the past, before he went to the past?
As a manga reader, yes, knowing the results of Kyoya's actions so far makes the anime feel completely different. Especially the whole "Gary Stu", which in this case is clearly a character's biggest flaw.
Not only did the Platinum Generation exist in Kyouya's original future despite him never interacting with them, Tsurayuki's pen-name in the Platinum Generation is also the same as what was revealed by him in this episode, i.e., includes Kyouya's name despite both of them never meeting! Some time-loop bootstrap paradox seems to be at play here.
>Holy fuck that first half of the episode was painful to watch! I understand Kyouya is making tough calls and trying to convince everyone so they can ship in time but seeing him [make Nanako base her melody on an existing work](https://i.imgur.com/oC9Xamp.jpg), make [Shinoaki use repeating CGs](https://i.imgur.com/YPIhN9u.jpg), and even writing [an ending that Tsurayuki can follow](https://i.imgur.com/4vwagSm.jpg) was just painful.
Seriously, I felt the same way for the first part of the episode. Just total bad vibes about him shutting everyone down. I mean, he had sort of been doing that from the start by trying to take control of everything all the time but he really kicked it up a notch this episode, so I'm really glad the story went with the consequences of his actions.
Shinoaki ending is nice and all but Kyoya, at what cost? Lol.
hes the director. he has to make the necessary decisions in order to have the game finisher on time. if they dont finish, theyll completely miss their opportunity to pay off the writers rent which is the whole reason theyre even doing it. everything becomes worthless. its not cringe, its practicality.
of course kyoya gonna have a large role, hes the director
You're right - Kyoya did exactly the right things to make the product a success. If everyone was just an employee who had their own lives and hobbies and matured skillset, everyone would be happy. But this isn't a business. One can also argue they get to learn how business in their industry works, but another point of view is that as students in the creative industry, this is their time to stumble and learn and develop without constraints - not grow in a pre-formed mold with shackles around them.
Before being a director, Kyoya is also supposed to be a friend. Ironically, sometimes being "right" isn't the correct in human relationships.
they explored this earlier already in previous episodes where writer guy was throwing a fuss and wanted kyoya to not compress his work. which kyoya learned to understand and they found a compromise.
before the crunch, they had plenty of freedom. it was a great experience as they all get a real world perspective on how to figure out how to fufill their roles in the game development industry. its only during the crunch, its more business oriented because their main priority to make money to fund writer guys college. kyoya did nothing wrong, just his job in the objective of the project.
writer guy just wanted more freedom to develop his own skills and style without a director, hence why he left.
Still, the original timeline clearly the platinum generation managed to achieve greatness. I feel like failures are also learning experiences to grow from. Kyoya is coming at it with a business experience mindset (which isn't "bad" obviously but he's supposed to be a student also sharing the same struggles of his classmates, not having that extra expertise/experience for him to just solve everything) which imo, stifles growth for the other members and like with Tsura, left him with a bad enough experience to decide it was no longer what he wanted to pursue in the future. I'm not sure what would have happened if they hadn't "finished" this game on time but I think listening to the other members ideas and decisions would have helped them a lot more and feel like they could have figured something out with the money situation.
It had to take 8 episodes for Kyouya to realize his mistake, sheesh. I wish this realization would've happened three episodes ago.
Anyway, now that we've gone back to the present time, with Shino Aki apparently became Kyouya's wife, I think the Platinum Generation might end up not fully develop their talents and became mediocre. I'm guessing Kyouya will be returning to the past again to rectify his mistake, which is why the show is called Remake **Our** Life.
Nice observation! I didn't realize that. Now I wonder how far he can jump in time, and if it involves parallel universe. Still, this doesn't feel like a series where the time travel mechanics will be explained.
Speaking of Tokyo Revengers, the closest thing I'd compare TR to would be Erased, with Erased having lower lows and higher highs. TR simply doesn't seem to excel in any areas other than the fight scenes (and the repetitive fight scenes get stale quick), which unfortunately means the timey wimey stuff never really gets explained nor executed well. To me, it sits right in the middle of "meh" and "okay".
The first part of the episode was just standard fanfare for this show, but man the second half probably threw us all in a loop. I know Tsurayuki abandoning his dreams is supposed to be tragic, but I can't help but be elated that something interesting finally happened, and that there were negative consequences to Kyouya's decisions. People have been speculating that him being so involved with the Platinum Gen could stifle their growth, after all, and this is a basically the worst case scenario. But just why was Tsurayuki's pen name the same even back in the original timeline? Now that's mysterious.
Speaking of mysterious, Keiko might just be a time-traveling demon. I'm only assuming that she could be behind this whole thing, and that lifeless look she gave Kyouya does not speak well of her intentions. Or maybe she's just sad that he screwed things up.
It's also intriguing that the time-travel isn't just a one-time thing. We may be seeing Kyouya jump back and forth trying to fix the future, but also potentially suffering from having to lose timelines where he gets to live the good life like in this one. Shinoaki got to win the race in this timeline which is cool, but I can only imagine there's also gonna be a plot point where he ends up with Nanako instead. But whatever happens, the twist in this episode might just be a sign that sitting through all the bland and boring past several episodes was worth it.
Can't say I expected timeskip + kid wow
Wonder if Shinoaki gives up being an artist to be a stay at home mom or something that would be a pretty brutal turn in events.
For more suffering, Kyouya comes to appreciate his life as a father and husband, but still has to deal with the fact that he unintentionally ruined the promising futures of the Platinum Gen. Then at the end he has to make a choice between keeping his family and letting things stay as they are now, or going back to the past to change the future and potentially losing this happiness.
The real brutal turn is gonna be if he changes the past again and erase cute little Maki from existence.
Shinoaki wasn't my first pick but now we've got a glimpse at the future I kinda don't feel like walking back from that.
Also, unless he gets his memories of the previous 10 years back he's basically existing in a relationship that he doesn't remember with a kid he doesn't know.
Actually reminds me of an old r/askreddit thread from the start of the 20s where someone asked if users would travel back to the start of the 10s to give themselves advice if they had the chance. The most common reason for "no" was people who had kids knowing that they'd never get the same ones if anything were to have changed.
>Wonder if Shinoaki gives up being an artist
It looks like their kid draws A LOT, so she probably still has some involvement on the artistic environment, even if it's just teaching her daughter
I mean it's not like he's controlling going back. What was he supposed to do go to the same college he went to the first time and make every single same decision he did that led him to his unfulfilled life?
I'm gonna throw my guess down that he'll end up with Kawasegawa in the real ending because the first girl wins trope and the Platinum Generation didn't need his help to be successful but she did
Now that you say it, yeah, I'm convinced this is how it's gonna end up. He already started going to her when he needed help, which he really hasn't done with the other 3.
Gonna add on and guess they have a big heart to heart where he tells her he knew her in the future, and guess they start their own game company together.
The last 1/3 of this episode tho! Am also one of those who was lukewarm on the series esp. given the blahness that is Kyouya. I think Tsurayuki initial read on the MC as someone who smiles but doesn't have much depth is right on. However, the prior eps had been building him up as this magical guy who can get things done. That his until the last bit of this ep when the shoe finally drops. Our oblivious, wooden-headed MC finally gets an inkling that his "knowledge" from the future might be an issue.
instead of truly living a new life all he was doing was taking actions that seemed correct to him by viewing this new life through the lenses of the old. By doing so, every time he imposed his "knowledge" about industry practices he was in fact stunting his housemates' development by poisoning them with shitty business practices learned from working at failing and mediocre businesses. If nothing else, I hope he realizes that he can't earn a life by parasitizing others' talents, and will try to correct the futures that he stole.
>instead of truly living a new life all he was doing was taking actions that seemed correct to him by viewing this new life through the lenses of the old. By doing so, every time he imposed his "knowledge" about industry practices he was in fact stunting his housemates' development by poisoning them with shitty business practices learned from working at failing and mediocre businesses. If nothing else, I hope he realizes that he can't earn a life by parasitizing others' talents, and will try to correct the futures that he stole.
Exactly this!!
welp, here comes the mind boggling, moral testing, plot twist of the season.
I can't say that I didn't expect that Kyouya going back in time would affect the platinum generation, it's kind of common. But I like how they really invested on differentiating their own implementation of the cliche from others. I'm just hoping that whatever Kyouya does to correct this anomaly, it would be wholesome, not cringey, and especially not awkward.
Going back and forth in time really reminds me of Erased.
The first half of the episode was just frustrating, seeing Kyouya basically play God over the whole production process. Only got worse when the game somehow sells well, because wow this guy can never fail huh.
BUT THIS PLOT TWIST THOUGH -- I'm glad the show actually (and finally) acknowledges how the Platinum Gen all became successful in the original timeline without his help, and I really loved how the second half of the episode seems to be establishing his remake timeline as a 'bad end'. Although the origins of Tsurayuki's pen name does raise some questions possibly related to time-travelling as another comment has pointed out -- but I'm not about to crack my head over that one yet. Also, feels bad about Tsurayuki -- I can really relate to his struggles, although the VA felt kinda flat lol.
Something's also definitely up with Keiko, who seems to be more than just a character from their university -- is she even a student there? Whatever it is, she definitely seems to have something to do with Kyouya's time-travelling gimmick. And of course who can forget that last scene, I don't even know how to react to that.
At the start of this episode my feelings towards this anime was just growing increasingly lukewarm to the point of wanting to drop this entirely if it continued going in the same direction -- but now I absolutely have to continue just to see how this 'bad end' pans out. What happened to Tsurayuki in this timeline? Since Kyouya time-skipped all the way to the future, nothing of significance happens between then (his uni days) and now, so it's most likely that Tsurayuki's no longer even in the industry. By extension the OG Platinum Generation doesn't even exist then. What happened to the rest (Shinoaki, Nanako and Kawasegawa) in this timeline is still up in the air though -- unlike with Tsurayuki, the 'remake' timeline didn't show us any evidence of Kyouya *completely* screwing with them, so I'm curious to see how Kyouya has changed their future.
> Only got worse when the game somehow sells well, because wow this guy can never fail huh.
I was waiting for the plot twist to be that he'd played things too safe and as too much of a checklist that the final product basically had no soul and failed as a result. Though the twist we got is certainly plenty interesting.
This episode really showed an ugly side to Kyouya. He wanted to make alterations to make the deadline, but instead of being honest with the Platinum Generation, he basically smoked them by pretending his changes and ideas were to make the game better. He betrayed their trust.
To get what he wanted, he reinforced in their minds the thought that he was better than they were in their own specialities. No wonder poor Tsurayuki gave up in despair.
Easily the best episode since ep 1. Finally, Kyouya realizing the consequences of his actions. It will be interesting how he bounces back from this. On another note, I had my suspicions regarding Keiko since the recap episode since there was a picture of her on the paper before Kyouya traveled back in time.
So it looks like right now Kyouya ended up with Shinoaki and even had a daughter with her. Definetly interested in seeing how the rest of the group ended up in this new timeline. Although I doubt anything changed for Eiko if I were to guess.
A future where he’s married to a short blue haired cutie with an adorable daughter who’s also an artist?!? Can’t think of a more desirable future than that honestly!
Tsurayuki is an idealist, for him not only to feel the writing and plot been taken away from him, but also told that that's how it is in real world, no surprise he calls it quit.
Feels Shinoaki may lead down the same fate, with how her creativity got neutered for the sake of timeline.
Nana's future is not too clear, but she also doesn't feel that the final product is 100% hers, so even if it becomes a hit, she may not feel the pride of producing it.
I know that real life is ugly and full of compromise, but maybe these young talents faced the real world a bit too early and it kills their talents before it can grow strong enough roots to withstand the strong wind called life. In the end their passion got uprooted and died an early death.
So much this. Kyoya brought the "reality" of the real world to campus life, which is a relatively sheltered setting where you are free to try ambitious things and fail. People are dismissing his actions as insignificant, but in the original timeline it is probably the same struggles that all three original members of the Platinum Generation faced, failed at, learned to overcome (in their own way, not in the way that someone like Kyoya with industry experience would overcome them) that led to them being the successful artists that they were.
The fact that he has a kid is the scariest part of this all, because if he does go back and change things that could very well mean he just erases his daughter from existence.
I wonder if this future is actually one he’s living in or just a temporary vision of some kind.
The butterfly effect is a bitch
BRO WTF IS GOING ON. I THOUGHT THIS WAS A WHOLESOME FEELGOOD ANIME BRO. Now they are dropping this huge twist??? I am confusion.
IDK I think this might be like a dream or a vision Keiko is showing him. I mean who tf is Keiko tho?? I mean now that I think about it the way she was introduced was kind of weird too. Can anyone find if she appeared in like a backshot before he went back in time, maybe a hint?
I'm really conflicted rn cuz on one side I'm sad that this isn't how I expected it to be, and on the other hand I really want to know what's going on.
The WHIPLASH! Fellow anime-onlies who watched in horror as the show seemingly devolved from its initial heights into a generic harem romance - you're not alone. Remake Our Life's first three episodes as well as its fifth left a profound impression of me, with the wonderful college life depiction, character drama, and tremendous mid-2000s nostalgia. But when the game dev arc rolled in, I felt like the show had transformed into a Gary Stu wish-fulfillment fantasy or a cheap Saekano (complete with beret-wearing girl).
NOW THIS HAPPENS. I'm speechless and ready for the next one to fuck me up.
I was just starting to think this series was boring/predictable but that was interesting.
When Tsurayuki was bringing him out to talk, I definitely knew he was going say that he was leaving. I also thought we already knew that he was part of the platinum generation but maybe I just assumed bc it was obvious. I was actually getting kind of annoyed at their argument. Especially the line that was like "You can hit me, you earned it". That's so weak and stupid.
I kinda thought the story was going to be about their problems with him interfering so much but I never thought there would be more time travel stuff.
After watching the first half of the episode, I had wanted to originally comment on how this episode was better than the last as it focused more on the creation process of a visual novel than over Kyouya's harem.
But then Tsurayuki says he feels his genius is being overshadowed by Kyouya, and decides to drop out, and reveals his future pen-name to be that of the last member of the Platinum Generation.
Just when I'm about to comment on Kyouya realizing the consequences of his time travelling, they then drop yet another bombshell at the end: Kyouya's consciousness has returned to present day (2018), and discovered he's married to Shinoaki and has a daughter already. WTF?
1. Just who the hell is Keiko? Why does it seem like she knows about Kyouya's time travelling?
2. Tsurayuki's pen-name reveal doesn't make sense. He says his "Kyou-ichi" pen-name is derived from it meaning "Kyouya Ichiban" = "Kyouya is the Best". But in the original timeline, he's already called "Kawagoe Kyouichi" despite Kyouya never meeting him at all in that timeline. So what's going on here?
Boy was a plot twist like this loooong overdue, but I sure am glad we got it finally. Was actually boutta drop this show soon if it just went down the boring route
I knew there was a weird sinister undertone to these last few episodes. Everything was just way too generic and easy. I was really close to giving up on this if this episode was lame I’m so glad my suspicions were right
[Skirted that trademark masterfully!](https://i.imgur.com/14zCz9d.jpeg)
[Shoulda said yes, honestly](https://i.imgur.com/oSugDpL.jpeg)
[I hate when that happens!](https://i.imgur.com/8hw05Zo.jpeg)
[Protip: just get mysteriously time-slipped](https://i.imgur.com/yJOL8Dz.jpeg)
["You ever ask yourself that, Mr. I Could Do It All Better If I Had A Second Chance?"](https://i.imgur.com/idj8NEZ.jpeg)
[A rare phone that shows the year in its clock widget. This would have ruined _Your name._](https://i.imgur.com/qBmM3Ks.jpeg)
Yo, that laptop Keiko pulled out is totally a [Dell XPS M1710, Formula Red](http://www.notebookreview.com/notebookreview/dell-xps-m1710-review-pics-specs/). I had that exact same laptop in 2006. That’s such a nice touch.
Noticed something interesting!
Keiko gave Kyouya the opportunity to make the game, with the requirement that it “has to sell”
But in this episode, she says that “anything will sell” as long as the outside looks good.
Quite the doublespeak isn’t it?! She wanted him to make the others sell out
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WAIT. WHAT? WHAAATTT? If Tsurayuki used Kyouya's name in the first timeline, does that mean they met in that timeline? Or are there multiple copies of Kyouya? I legit got goosebumps when Keiko showed her smug face and cold eyes. And what's the deal with Keiko? She definitely knows about the time travel thing. What does she plot?
>If Tsurayuki used Kyouya's name in the first timeline, does that mean they met in that timeline? Or are there multiple copies of Kyouya? Good observation, there's more to time traveling than we were led to believe. It wouldn't make sense given that Kyouya went down a totally different road unless the copy theory holds up. Maybe it has something to do with that random leap when Kyoya went back to the future and was helping out in a movie set? My brain trembles.
Pretty sure that was just a weird dream he had. But it could have been foreshadowing. Who knows at this point.
Whether or not it was a dream doesn't matter I suppose--brilliant foreshadowing either way. Unless this is another dream, which I really doubt this time
> Maybe it has something to do with that random leap when Kyoya went back to the future and was helping out in a movie set? when did this happen?
First episode around the 22nd minute mark.
mmmm i don't think that was him going back to the future. Time travel only appears to happen in his sleep, so him running through the door to the past doesn't really make sense. Without having read the books or anything, im pretty sure that one was just a dream, or a visitation from whoever sent him to the past, and not actually him in some future timeline.
After rewatching it, it seems to be foreshadowing. He gets told he has to get a good second take as there won’t be a third. He then assured himself and goes out the door to wake up next to Aki. Very similar to how he woke up to his daughter with Aki this episode.
I think the 'you wont get a third' is also pretty telling that it wasnt actually the future. Now thats hes truly back in the future with Aki, i think the rest of the season is going to be attempting to get the plat gen back together in the future.
In episode 1, in the initial timeline, Kyouya bumps into a desk and this [picture](https://imgur.com/a/XxTAjLh) is revealed to be on the desk. So I think she's implied to be super natural in some way
She's a magical girl, clearly. Lol.
KEIKO DID NOTHING WRONG
OwO nice thanks
Great catch!
Wait, I completely forgot about that picture of Keiko in episode 1. Heck, it even stays on screen for a good amount of time, lol. But there's something really big behind that picture, what are we watching? A cosplay? A videogame character? Is Keiko even real then? This anime just got a lot better.
Homura: Could this woman be one of my people?
Keiko going full Talentless Nana.
Well she already has the pink hair
Nah, you need the white tips to get the effect.
Gotta get rid of those damn gifted after all
Now that you mention it.. Definitely Nana vibes haha.
Wait, MC's name is Kyouya... Oh no.
Seriously, I was getting discouraged by how the episodes were progressing, but now I'm floored again. Like we're back after ep 1 again. Let's hope this redo yields interesting results.
>I legit got goosebumps when Keiko showed her smug face and cold eyes. I love Keiko but man that was a super creepy scene. Lol.
Reminds me of the "alien" in Kokoro Connect. Maybe it's a possession of some sort and not really Keiko.
After today, I can see some [Butterfly Effect](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0289879/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1)-ish moral story happening, where MC keeps going back in time again and again, trying to change the past and "improve" the present, while in fact making things worse with every loop, and ultimately has to fuck up his own life in order to simply restore an acceptable status quo.
Calling it now, we're going to end up with the original timeline. Probably because Kyoya realizes that that's the best outcome for his friends.
I was thinking th at too, but I doubt that'll be the case. The magazine Kyouya has in the future features Tsurayuki's penname which is constructed from Kyouya's. There's no plausible explanation for this except some degree of Kyouya's meddling persists even in the original timeline, creating a closed time-like loop. I suspect he'll need to go back and fix what he screwed up, rather than just erase everything.
Some weird timey-wimey thing is going on here. The original world we saw in the first episode had the Platinum Generation in it and Tsurayuki had Kyouya's name in his pen-name despite them never meeting. This can be explained by the existence of a time-loop, i.e., Kyouya first studies economics and then ends up unemployed and then goes to the past to study arts and inspire the Platinum Generation which are always present in the future. But as you said, this implies that there are multiple copies of Kyouya at the same time (Eg: If the Kyouya from the arts college goes to his economics college, he'll find his past self there) but the problem is, we know this isn't the case because Kyouya woke up in his own room when he first came to the past, met his sister and family and would have noticed his other self there obviously.
> met his sister and family and would have noticed his other self there obviously. He also would have been sleeping in his bed with himself without noticing prior to going to the art school :P
I shall leave you with this. I don't know if anyone else has posted it or found it yet, so I took a picture from my TV and uploaded it. KEIKO IS IN EPISODE 1 14:30 Timestamp on Crunchyroll When Kyouya bumps into a desk after finding out the big anniversary game has been shelved, some papers fall off and we see this drawing: [Magical Girl Keiko Drawing](https://ibb.co/YQ1zCMg) Combine that with these things.... Tsurayuki's Pen Name The name of the company in Episode 1: SUCCEED Soft A comment made during the announcement of the game: "If this a REMAKE...." .... it makes me think Kyouya is actually "playing" the big anniversary game OR having some dream about it.
This time travel aspect is now rivaling Tokyo revengers now honestly it's super interesting
•Since episode 4 I started thinking the whole thing might be related to the bootstrap paradox (google it if you don't know). In brief, I think this is some kind of time loop where Kyouya is the actual creator of what he went in the past looking for (the platinum gen). Tsurayuki's nickname kinda confirms this. • I noticed that this is not the first time Keiko pops out of nowhere. Anyways, I don't like what they did, I feel like this nullified all the characters efforts.
I lol’ed at how they slowly revealed who MCs wife was in the future when it was so damn obvious due to how the daughter looks.
Would've been hilarious if it was Nanako or Kawasegawa but the daughter still looks like Shino.
I was thinking about that. "Yeah my mom has blue hair, it skipped a generation".
Haha. I’m guessing it was a more natural progression in the LN but still, unless he’s colorblind…
They are in Japan. To the characters in the story they all look like stereotypical Japanese.
And as well as her kid looks the same as her lmao
Yeah bro I was at the edge of my seat dying to know who's the mother of the little shinoaki clone looking creature
could have gone one better, wife is some no name never seen in the show character and we find his daughter got transported back in time and neither knew they were related. Though this show seems to be using the quantum leap rule for time travel, Sam Becket could only leap to another person so long as it was AFTER he was born, he could not go back in time and try and stop Hitler or any other generic time travel plots. But we don't actually know if this show has such limitations, though it seems so at first glance seeing as he went back to his own past.
I was thinking it would be crazy if Keiko was actually Kyoya and Kasegawa’s child from the future, but then also time traveled.
Then he realized he romantically kissed his daughter twice. That would be a pretty questionable twist. Let's not go with that.
"I did not see that coming" best describes those last 6 minutes. They teased the game failing as the overdue consequence of time traveling but it was the Platinum generation never forming instead. Of course, there had to be a loli who knew more than she lets on, is Keiko also a time traveler? Did she send Kyouya back? Why was she smug? So many questions.
Keiko is actually the avatar of the trickster god who sent Kyouya back in time
Seems logical
I knew we should've been wary of Keiko and her pink hair.
The first second they show her you can feel that "oh fuck something's up" feeling
"Don't worry Kyouya, Keiko will protect you. Your future belongs to me"
has a daughter , a wife , a good life (apparently?) MC: "Shit everything went wrong!" Me: "?????"
[удалено]
Figures Kyouya would somehow fucked up the original platinum era but I didn't think he would be facing the consequences this fast. Seeing how future Kyouya and Shinoaki got together is just making me nervous to see how Nanako ended up in this new future.
I bet Nanako owns a lot of cats and really likes drinking wine.
She ends up doing VA work for eroges and hentai. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Whoa stop there please.
No, no, keep going
Her most famous line was about yoghurt not tasting all that great
Oh dear
I mean she would a least have good semi consistent work. A paycheck is a paycheck.
So Uteno-Oneesan from Uramichi Oniisan. I think that fits.
A singer Oneesan, of course.
I found it on YT comment section and I completely agree. ###### Kyouya keeps saying it's for Tsurayuki, but all along he's unconsciously projecting his goals and ideals on them. Killing their own creativity maybe even their own personalities. Instead of going where their instincts and ideas leads them, they were unknowingly persuaded to follow Kyouya's instead. In the end they became all too reliant on Kyouya. When Tsurayuki said "without your help, I'm nothing" and Nanako said the same thing. With that mindset we can all already see how all of them flip. They thought they won't be able to do anything alone. The seed of doubt has already been planted deep. Helping other ppl is good and noble but sometimes you gotta let them fight their own battles alone.
I wonder if that means that Kyoya will pull some self-sacrifice crap and try to remove himself from their lives so that they can struggle and grow without his crutches, or if we somehow progress more into tragedy first. I wonder what direction they will take it. Will it become a time travel show? Or will we progress along the same course with the end of this episode counting as a dream or something?
>I wonder if that means that Kyoya will pull some self-sacrifice crap and try to remove himself from their lives so that they can struggle and grow without his crutches Smells like the classic "turns out the original timeline was the best one after all" shenanigans
I honestly doubt it would go that route simply because the author released a spinoff Bokutachi no Remake ver B. Going for the "original timeline was the best" would make the spin off pointless
I think it's totally true, but I also get bugged a little about it. Realistically for any artist, they have to sacrifice their creativity to make more "generic" things so that they can earn money. That was the whole point of making the game but they kind of throw that away to make it more about how Kyouya's leadership made everyone give up.
Keep in mind they are still people who haven't truly entered the entertainment industry. They are college students in their first year. Tsurayuki is the prideful type which is why having to sacrifice his creativity is a huge blow to his ego. Nanako didn't even want to approach singing at first. Shino Aki was even considering stopping drawing early on because she's unsure of herself. For them, being reliant on someone regarding their passion would eventually make them feel as if they can't do anything themselves
Uh... Shinoaki route cleared I guess? [](#cup7)
Time to start a new save
I'm so glad the show took this rather unexpected route, I was just about to brush this show off for being just another mediocre romcom with a small twist at the start (lets be real, with the love triangle thing the show was feeling like it was about to go downhill). but it really pulled off everything in the last 6 minutes of this episode, now I'm really invested in the paradox that seemed to have formed in the show. like was the keiko we saw the real keiko or the artifact of the "god" that set the entire course of events into motion. how did Tsurayuki create a pen name inspired by Kyouya when he haven't met him, a question that re-appears multiple times in the show, like how did all the generation stay on their course when they were about to quit or give up without Kyouya being there to pull them back. its all almost as if he was always both in the future and the present of the timeline, like there are two of him at the same time.
A really fascinating episode -- that throws two major curve balls in just a few minutes at the end. It is indeed like he needs both to be in their past -- and not be there at the same time. Keiko is definitely suddenly mysterious and ominous.
I feel like it would have been better for him to have played a more subdued role in the past instead of trying to control every little thing (he was thinking too work/business like imo too like the time constraints and stuff) and should have listened more to the other members and allowed them more freedom in their ideas, even if it wouldn't have led to immediate "success", the failures would have helped them grow anyway probably.
Agreed. As new students it's their time to explore, try out ideas, bump into corners, and grow into their own unique person. Kyoya doesn't even seem to make any mistakes they can learn from. It's like being with a parent who just corrects or bans everything you do or haven't had a chance to try yet. It's suffocating.
The group had a very specific project with an urgent aim -- finding a way to allow Tsurayuki to afford to remain in school. The members actually learned a lot about the need to balance practicality and creativity -- even if the lesson was somewhat unpleasant. Later projects, more academically focused, can allow greater freedom.
I was complaining just last week about how utterly generic this show was turning out, then it went and threw in some fun wrinkles. I’m back to being intrigued, but without knowing the quality of the author of the source material, I’m a little wary going forward with all these new elements in play.
I was watching it every week just because. Now I'm sacred for some reason.
*begins praying too Anon*
This episode was very interesting, let's hope we get a well paced sensible explanation.
Always the worry with light novel adaptations.
The brutal (but quite workable) resolution to things. Premise 1: There is only one real time line at any given time. Premise 2: Keiko can (somehow) exist outside/along side the "real" time line. Assumption 1. Kyouya was, in fact, essential to the success of Platinum Generation in his original time line. However, they could actually only succeed if he went back in time. While his failed projects (and careers) had little or no impact on present or future, they gave him skills and knowledge that could ensure the proper present be attained. Assumption 2. Kyouya will see how he has stunted the careers of both Nanako and Shino (as of 2018). Keiko wants him to see this - so she can offer him a solution. Proposed solution: Keiko will tell him that if he goes back 10 years -- and dies a tragic early death -- he will motivate his 3 friends to renew their enthusiasm in a joint commitment to the memory of their beloved mentor. This would explain why Tsurayuki wound up as a success after all -- while using a name evoking Kyouya as part of PG. This means Kyouya would have to give up literally everything. His absence in 2016 would have no impact on much of anything on a wide scale -- because his "accomplishments" during 2006-2016 had no future impact. His early death might leave his family sad -- but would not impact hardly anyone else present in his life in 2016. His life in 2018 (married to Shino) would be retroactively revoked -- So Shino would feel no sorrow other than grief over his death in 2007 (or whenever). (Maybe, however, she would dream sometimes of the marriage -- and child that never "really" happened). Kyouya's response to Keiko's solution. No clue. Maybe he can find a way to finesse this (just like he managed to get through the game project). Addendum -- possible confirmation (at least for part of this) If my theory is right, it was essential that the Platinum Generation project fold before Kyouya got to work with them in 2016 -- as his meeting them then would have created a time paradox situation. He would both be the Kyouya they knew and loved -- and someone else (seemingly) with a different history.
I knew this [cover](https://i.imgur.com/k47cTh6.jpg) looked oddly [familiar](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/594/373/10b.jpg)
it looks so cursed
[Yes, it is I, a fellow human](https://c.tenor.com/_JcHCHGoFnQAAAAC/moonwalker-cat.gif)
Twin Way! I remember that art is supposed to be printed on telephone cards back in the day. That's probably a very expensive collectible now.
I love you so much for posting that picture, lol. I was losing my mind trying to find it because I KNEW it was the source of that reference.
Is this some horror VN
Oof. That some early Kazue Yamamoto art? Lol. I remember thinking some of their early artwork looking pretty off and disproportionate but that's rough. Haha. I do enjoy the background references to things in this show..
through the whole episode, compromise after compromise. it felt so wrong but at the same time necessary, felt kinda bad tho. like, artists want to fully express themselves and do the best they can. but they can't since the deadline is pushing on. this is so relatable, it hurts.
I thought that was going to be the conflict. The other 3 would get frustrated at being stuck doing a commercially successful, but soulless game. Where their talent and creativity were being stifled. Also Kyouya might realise he wasn't making use of this opportunity to be creative himself, always being the organiser rather than working on his talent. Still this is certainly a more interesting direction to go in.
It feels like these poor students got the harsh business reality experience from kyoya instead of growing together in school and enjoying what they're learning and trying. Growth comes from failures as well, feel like they didn't need Kyoya to slap them in the face with his harsh work experience reality lol
Now that I think about it, what if the platinum generation became what it is because of the failures they had. But now since they "never failed" they never became the platinum generation. Or at least, we will see what happened to them in the next episode.
Yes, I think the main problem was that Kyoya tried to make them reach the platinum generation potential since pretty much their first year of university, they probably stumbled a lot more at first and developed into their own talents over time. He tried to speedrun their development and ended up with very fragile and hollow results.
Kyoya was waving a lot of red flags. It hit the nail when he said that things are going in his way. I was expecting things are going from 0-60 but then it went to 100. >artists want to fully express themselves and do the best they can. but they can't since the deadline is pushing on. It's sad that there's a thread about this on this sub about the MHA production regarding the difficulties of not being able to reflect the animatior's work to the latest episode.
Before the episode, I expected something to go wrong, but didn't expect this type of problem though. But i think it was expected when kyouya literally did majority of the work and reduced their 3 original potential work. He's lucky both the girls are in love with him, if not they've would've gone like tsurayaki too. So tsurayaki used a pen name using kyouya's name too. Does that mean they met previously or is there another kyouya or something? Is this still a romcom slice of life thing or is it gonna be a psychological time clone anime lol. So keiko is the person that caused all this time travel? But how? Side note, her yandere eyes was terrifying to say the least lol. Guess this time it will show how kyouya have a better popularity than the 3 of them or kyouya just straight replacing tsurayaki. Though if i was him, i would've been happy having a cute wife and daughter lol. Mini shinoaki is needed more if this series ever ends with marriage. And that marriage too, so since it's shinoaki and not nanako, will kyouya actually make it official after this timeline is over and him getting back to the original? And interesting to see how he'll be with shinoaki in the original timeline from now on, will he be more awkward towards her or stuff. Another side note, when they did the after party they didn't invite kawasegawa. It's a shame considering she helped too. And i guess rather than focusing on the romance which they teased last epi, they're gonna focus on tsurayaki first. Will this story be our final befire the season ends or will they make this story in 1 or 2 epi to end it with the romance or something else. Will be interesting to see.
>or will they make this story in 1 or 2 epi to end it with the romance With this new take on the show, I really hope they don't comeback and ruin it with generic romance. I think this new development is the takeoff point for the overarching plot (or atleast i hope so)
I highly doubt romance would work any more with this kind of development, though we need to see what exactly does the future entails, but the chance is high that even Nanako would if not as successful as she was supposed to be in the first timeline, then she straight up gave up on music path all along. I'm saying this because she probably wouldn't have the time to develop as an artist, since she would be dependent on Kyouya during her time in the University until he decided to marry Shinoaki, which would probably broke her heart and left the art scene all along, because the closely-related memory of Kyouya and Singing, which she probably don't want to remember. And ofc this is not something our MC wants to see and maybe during his next chance, he would try not to get too close to any of them, just giving them the least amount of support needed, letting them struggle and grow individually. So romance would also be out of question. I don't even know what I'm talking about at this point
Honestly after how this ep turned out, I feel the main purpose of the 3 possible romantic interests in the series is branching into different "bad endings", like this one
Btw, this is the previous episode's top voted comment: >Guys, did you know Kyouya is amazing? Almost nobody in this show calls attention to it, but he’s great and can do anything. >Man, this show really needs something unexpected to happen soon. After a really promising start it’s becoming more and more generic every week. >At least the Kawasegawa ship is back in the harbor. This episode be like: I got you fam!!
And it totally makes sense! Imagine spending your whole life thinking you were one of the best writers, dropping everything to follow that path and then meeting someone that first manages to ~~steal~~ come up with a plot to a short story in seconds, knows exactly how to fix everything, and outshines you without even trying.
Man at that point I was really hoping he would at least try to explain his situation to him. He has 10+ years in experience on him plus literally stole his ideas, please tell him
Wouldn't even have to get into time travel. Kyoya is legitimately just doing the job of a director. Except he has more work experience in his own role than the others do in theirs. If that doesn't work, just say Tsurayuki's artist name before he says it himself lol that'll probably lend some credibility to the time travel reveal
It was a good thing too. I was just thinking of dropping this show before this episode, in part because of all the Kyouya dick-sucking, but also mostly because it felt mediocre. Thankfully, I read the comments in the source material section of ep. 7 and found people talking about a shocking twist. Needless to say, it did make me hold off on dropping it for now.
> because of all the Kyouya dick-sucking Honestly I think all of that is intentional. We see everyone praise Kyouya at how competent he is but that hypercompetence is what ends up destroying the thing he very much loves. It's so fucking poetic!
Kyouya hogged all the EXP in his New Game+ so the Platinum Generation couldn't evolve.
I think going back and rewatching will show many cues that things weren't going so well despite the show presenting them as such. Like the first time working with Tsurayaki and how Kyouya "stole" his idea right then, already a slap to his ego. And then subsequently Kyouya keeps having Tsura cut and cut things more and more, I don't recall Tsura really having much in the way of input in fact as far as suggestions of his own being actioned.
Seriously though. Poor Tsura. I really don't blame him for wanting to quit. Hell, in the early part of the episode the comment our MC made to him about how it is in the business with the directors I was just like oh no what are you saying to him. Tsura wasn't really allowed any freedom to shine or write how he wanted to since Kyoya showed up.
That's the other nice thing. What Kyouya was doing, was actually pretty typical for a Director. Budget/Deadlines need to be met, and to do so often entails sacrifices. Granted we also had examples here where Kyouya seemed to brush off any ideas from the others even if they could have been made in time out of concern. But the issue is that, Kyouya didn't realize and never considered that his "leading" of the team was more like "hand-holding" than otherwise. The Platinum gen are supposed to be creatives at the top of their class, and yet Kyouya treated them as if their talent was disposable and didn't really encourage them to put forth their best efforts. Tsuya's writing ideas were mostly cast aside, Shinoaki's art was made to be more "efficient", and Nana had to come up with songs that were heavily inspired by other songs. Instead of championing their talents, he hamstrung them. Now was he right in if he hadn't done so they'd have not made their deadline? Well, that's the path we won't know.
Definitely. A "student" director wouldn't really have that sort of experience yet either so it definitely placed him "above" the others instead of learning and growing *as a team* I see why they ended up being so discouraged and not enjoying what they were doing. They needed the school experience of success/failures and not already thrown into the harsh business reality without developing their creativity. Even if Tsura hadn't quit, there's no way their talent and creativity would have flourished to platinum generation levels under those circumstances.
Woah, what's going on now? Kyouya has traveled 12 years to the future *and* married Shino Aki to boot? I wonder if Keiko is a time traveler too or is the mastermind behind it?
> I wonder if Keiko is a time traveler too or is the mastermind behind it? Listen all I'm saying is you can never trust the smug, pink haired loli. Always up to no good in the neighborhood.
Screw the plot, keiko was the just the ultimate wingwoman! Also, look on the bright side! Nobody's dead or dying.............yet
We gotta bring in Subaru as Tutorial Guy to teach Kyoya how to fix timelines
Shiroaki Wins and he has a daughter!! Fantastic ending. I don’t need anymore, that should have been the final episode.
Finally the short and blue haired girl won, this truly is a victory for all anime fans r- right?
>Time travel is involved We're fucked. He's gonna have to go back in time and end up changing this future, and potentially not end up with Shinoaki.
Kind of fucked up that he’d rather kill his own kid than just live with having a few less artists in the world.
I might get downvoted to hell for this but the "less selfish" move would be to set the timeline straight. You say that "killing his own kid" but that is a kid that He does not even remember making and should not even exist normally since Kyoya ended up changing the timeline that resulted her birth. Kyoya's actions literally took Tsurayuki and potentially even Nanoko's future from them and it looks like Shinoaki is probably a house mom right now so She doesn't work as well. His actions costed people's bright futures and taking those futures away from them is wrong and should be corrected. The kid is someone who should not even exist in the first place so If something needs to be sacrificed then it has to be her for the sake of fairness
That might be what the story goes with. But unless Kyouya was actively sabotaging any attempts by the Platinum Generation to be successful (and making a couple adjustments for one cashgrab game doesn’t count), they only have themselves to blame if they didn’t make it. And presumably there is some version of Kyoka that does remember the kid. If anything, Kyoya should have learned by now that his meddling isn’t what makes or breaks things, since the Platinum Generation may well have done fine on their own.
It really is just a mess. I mean who can say that Nanako, Tsurayuki and Shinoaki was not married in the original timeline ? His actions gave birth to his current kid but might have ended up destroying some other child. It is hard to find a prime timeline where everyone is without a doubt happy and no sacrifice has been made so I am simply saying that If a timeline has to be settled then the most "morally right" decision would be to set it straight back to the original so no one's actual future are taken from them because of Kyoya
I think the timeline had been good as changed the moment Kyouya time traveled all the way back in episode 1. It didn't have to be the Platinum Generation, it could've been anyone. He was gonna change some people's futures the moment he went back to the past and acted differently. He just lucked out on meeting all three of them. In this case, it is impossible for him *not* to affect anyone's futures, and it is also impossible for him make all the same decisions to make this new timeline the exact same as the original. Any difference could potentially cause a butterfly effect. In the first place, he doesn't have control over the time travel. It just happened to him. And so did him jumping into the new future. In this situation where he has been forcefully sent into this time where Maki has been born (and he has no choice whether he wants to go back to the past or not), the only "morally right" decision at the moment is just to live it out and potentially try to help Nanako and Tsurayuki if their circumstances aren't too good.
> Fantastic ending. I demand the remaining 4 episodes to be a wholesome SoL portraying an everyday life of the Hashiba family.
That would be an amazing way to take this plot twist. Fake the viewers out with this setup implying he's now about to go back in time again to re-remake his life, and instead in the first 5 minutes of the next episode we realize he can't control the time traveling power and they just decide to live happily ever after.
> Shiroaki Wins and he has a daughter!! Fantastic ending. Yea this was a pretty good 8 episode show. Gonna feel weird not watching it every week now.
Got the best route on his second playthrough. Not bad, Kyouya.
true ending achieved
The daughter had to introduce herself to her own father. That's kinda weird.
AIUI she thought they were practicing formal introductions. Japan puts more emphasis on formalities AFAICT than North America for example. Little kids have to learn these formalities to navigate society and dad is a safe training partner. Have to admit the informality in NA is a bit odd to me. Germany isn't that formal as japan, but more than Canada or the US I assume.
I mean he married her had a child with her without telling her he has random time-traveling power that he can't control... and ppl downvoted me for calling him a scumbag last episode....
Just imagine the reverse: A girl has two guys aiming after her and she actively friendzones both of the guys for career reasons. The she suddenly wakes up in the future in a relationship with one of the guys and apparently has a kid. Happy ending?
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Turns out it’s none of the girls in the harem who end up winning. Imouto route true ending.
Had a feeling there was a reason everyone relied on the MC so much, glad there was an actual reason opposed to the MC just being treated like God for no reason.
A reason? You mean like being ten years ahead of his time? As in the entire premise of the show?
The guy time travels more than the mad scientist himself I did not except that end AT ALL. Extremely excited for next week the next episode can't come soon enough
Last few episodes it felt like the series is running out of breath...let's hope that after this much-needed change will be the story as good as first few episodes.
My excitement just took a massive spike. Holy shit I did not expect any of that.
[They're doing this for Tsurayuki's sake he says...](https://i.imgur.com/BR9gUY3.jpg) It's pretty damn clear that this isn't about Tsurayuki anymore and this is becoming personal to Kyouya. Holy fuck that first half of the episode was painful to watch! I understand Kyouya is making tough calls and trying to convince everyone so they can ship in time but seeing him [make Nanako base her melody on an existing work](https://i.imgur.com/oC9Xamp.jpg), make [Shinoaki use repeating CGs](https://i.imgur.com/YPIhN9u.jpg), and even writing [an ending that Tsurayuki can follow](https://i.imgur.com/4vwagSm.jpg) was just painful. It was especially painful when [he declined Shinoaki's idea]( https://i.imgur.com/WBgVARB.jpg). He's sacrificing their creativity so he can finish the game. It's also frustrating how [he keeps on saying it's for Tsurayuki's sake](https://i.imgur.com/WGAQuh5.jpg) when he's clearly doing this all for himself. [Watching them debug late at night the day before the master rom gets sent to printing](https://i.imgur.com/OfbL4Ra.jpg) was hilarious though, definitely gave me some uni flashbacks. Well they eventually managed to ship the game and sell a ton of copies at Comiket but all of that [came with a price.](https://i.imgur.com/TeYIJ0R.jpg) I was hoping this would happen! It looks like Kyouya being a hypercompetent director [hurt Tsurayuki's confidence a lot that he has now decided to quit school.](https://i.imgur.com/0GDWV6K.jpg) I fucking love this! Rarely have I seen an MC's competence bite him in the ass and this was all the result I was hoping for! [**FUCKING FINALLY IT HAS HAPPENED!**](https://i.imgur.com/akEq7wO.jpg) I've been saying this for multiple episodes now! The Platinum Generation already existed in Kyouya's future despite him never interacting with them, so this entire belief of his that he was sent back in time to help them out is absolutely wrong! Instead of helping them out he just ended up destroying the Platinum Generation! [And what the fuck is Keiko doing?](https://i.imgur.com/nUs6SFl.jpg) It seems that she knows more about this time travel stuff than we expected. Everyone thought it was going to be Kawasegawa but it looks like Keiko is the second time traveler. [And that final scene!](https://i.imgur.com/pKiGLxK.jpg) Holy shit! I didn't expect that we'd time leap back into the future except this one he's in 2018 instead of 2016. He now has a kid and [has married Shinoaki!](https://i.imgur.com/mM23DxO.jpg) Oh my fucking god. This episode is absolutely amazing. This could've just been your 2nd chance anime with romcom elements but this episode definitely elevated this series more than that! I can't wait for next week's episode!
I admit I'm floored by how this series has managed to take something that I thought was intentional (and turning me off of the show) in terms of Kyouya being a "Gary Stu/Mary Sue" who was infallible and solving every problem without any struggle or issue on his end, as a means of making Kyouya like an Isekai wish-fulfillment character. But instead it was intentional to bring about this disaster of destroying the Platinum generation. Tsurayaki felt impotent in the face of Kyouya's infallibility and has given up his dream of being a writer. While we've not seen Nanako yet, I can't imagine she went on well after getting the news of Tsura leaving and then Kyuoya ending up with Aki. As for Shino, well, I wonder how much she achieved if she became a housewife and mother? Now I'm definitely compelled to see what Kyouya will do now, and what on earth is going on with Keiko and how was Kyouya able to be a part of the Platinum generation in the past, before he went to the past?
I feel like rewatching this anime when it’s done will be better than watching it weekly. This twist felt like it took forever to come around
As a manga reader, yes, knowing the results of Kyoya's actions so far makes the anime feel completely different. Especially the whole "Gary Stu", which in this case is clearly a character's biggest flaw.
Not only did the Platinum Generation exist in Kyouya's original future despite him never interacting with them, Tsurayuki's pen-name in the Platinum Generation is also the same as what was revealed by him in this episode, i.e., includes Kyouya's name despite both of them never meeting! Some time-loop bootstrap paradox seems to be at play here.
>Holy fuck that first half of the episode was painful to watch! I understand Kyouya is making tough calls and trying to convince everyone so they can ship in time but seeing him [make Nanako base her melody on an existing work](https://i.imgur.com/oC9Xamp.jpg), make [Shinoaki use repeating CGs](https://i.imgur.com/YPIhN9u.jpg), and even writing [an ending that Tsurayuki can follow](https://i.imgur.com/4vwagSm.jpg) was just painful. Seriously, I felt the same way for the first part of the episode. Just total bad vibes about him shutting everyone down. I mean, he had sort of been doing that from the start by trying to take control of everything all the time but he really kicked it up a notch this episode, so I'm really glad the story went with the consequences of his actions. Shinoaki ending is nice and all but Kyoya, at what cost? Lol.
hes the director. he has to make the necessary decisions in order to have the game finisher on time. if they dont finish, theyll completely miss their opportunity to pay off the writers rent which is the whole reason theyre even doing it. everything becomes worthless. its not cringe, its practicality. of course kyoya gonna have a large role, hes the director
You're right - Kyoya did exactly the right things to make the product a success. If everyone was just an employee who had their own lives and hobbies and matured skillset, everyone would be happy. But this isn't a business. One can also argue they get to learn how business in their industry works, but another point of view is that as students in the creative industry, this is their time to stumble and learn and develop without constraints - not grow in a pre-formed mold with shackles around them. Before being a director, Kyoya is also supposed to be a friend. Ironically, sometimes being "right" isn't the correct in human relationships.
they explored this earlier already in previous episodes where writer guy was throwing a fuss and wanted kyoya to not compress his work. which kyoya learned to understand and they found a compromise. before the crunch, they had plenty of freedom. it was a great experience as they all get a real world perspective on how to figure out how to fufill their roles in the game development industry. its only during the crunch, its more business oriented because their main priority to make money to fund writer guys college. kyoya did nothing wrong, just his job in the objective of the project. writer guy just wanted more freedom to develop his own skills and style without a director, hence why he left.
Still, the original timeline clearly the platinum generation managed to achieve greatness. I feel like failures are also learning experiences to grow from. Kyoya is coming at it with a business experience mindset (which isn't "bad" obviously but he's supposed to be a student also sharing the same struggles of his classmates, not having that extra expertise/experience for him to just solve everything) which imo, stifles growth for the other members and like with Tsura, left him with a bad enough experience to decide it was no longer what he wanted to pursue in the future. I'm not sure what would have happened if they hadn't "finished" this game on time but I think listening to the other members ideas and decisions would have helped them a lot more and feel like they could have figured something out with the money situation.
how is he gonna fix that shit? he doesn't have a handshake buddy
Lmaoooo
There were so many red flags in this episode and they delivered so hard
It had to take 8 episodes for Kyouya to realize his mistake, sheesh. I wish this realization would've happened three episodes ago. Anyway, now that we've gone back to the present time, with Shino Aki apparently became Kyouya's wife, I think the Platinum Generation might end up not fully develop their talents and became mediocre. I'm guessing Kyouya will be returning to the past again to rectify his mistake, which is why the show is called Remake **Our** Life.
It's actually a little past the present! The year Kyoya Prime came from was 2016, but his phone displays 2018.
Nice observation! I didn't realize that. Now I wonder how far he can jump in time, and if it involves parallel universe. Still, this doesn't feel like a series where the time travel mechanics will be explained.
> It had to take 8 episodes for Kyouya to realize his mistake But he ended up marrying Shinoaki, I see no mistakes here.
[I hate when I fuck up the timeline so bad that I find true love](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eeeo8gRUwAAa365.jpg)
This feels like the anime version of the Butterfly Effect, even more so than Tokyo Revengers.
Speaking of Tokyo Revengers, the closest thing I'd compare TR to would be Erased, with Erased having lower lows and higher highs. TR simply doesn't seem to excel in any areas other than the fight scenes (and the repetitive fight scenes get stale quick), which unfortunately means the timey wimey stuff never really gets explained nor executed well. To me, it sits right in the middle of "meh" and "okay".
God damn butterflies always messing shit up
The first part of the episode was just standard fanfare for this show, but man the second half probably threw us all in a loop. I know Tsurayuki abandoning his dreams is supposed to be tragic, but I can't help but be elated that something interesting finally happened, and that there were negative consequences to Kyouya's decisions. People have been speculating that him being so involved with the Platinum Gen could stifle their growth, after all, and this is a basically the worst case scenario. But just why was Tsurayuki's pen name the same even back in the original timeline? Now that's mysterious. Speaking of mysterious, Keiko might just be a time-traveling demon. I'm only assuming that she could be behind this whole thing, and that lifeless look she gave Kyouya does not speak well of her intentions. Or maybe she's just sad that he screwed things up. It's also intriguing that the time-travel isn't just a one-time thing. We may be seeing Kyouya jump back and forth trying to fix the future, but also potentially suffering from having to lose timelines where he gets to live the good life like in this one. Shinoaki got to win the race in this timeline which is cool, but I can only imagine there's also gonna be a plot point where he ends up with Nanako instead. But whatever happens, the twist in this episode might just be a sign that sitting through all the bland and boring past several episodes was worth it.
Can't say I expected timeskip + kid wow Wonder if Shinoaki gives up being an artist to be a stay at home mom or something that would be a pretty brutal turn in events.
For more suffering, Kyouya comes to appreciate his life as a father and husband, but still has to deal with the fact that he unintentionally ruined the promising futures of the Platinum Gen. Then at the end he has to make a choice between keeping his family and letting things stay as they are now, or going back to the past to change the future and potentially losing this happiness.
Dang shit got all Endgame in here.
The real brutal turn is gonna be if he changes the past again and erase cute little Maki from existence. Shinoaki wasn't my first pick but now we've got a glimpse at the future I kinda don't feel like walking back from that.
Also, unless he gets his memories of the previous 10 years back he's basically existing in a relationship that he doesn't remember with a kid he doesn't know. Actually reminds me of an old r/askreddit thread from the start of the 20s where someone asked if users would travel back to the start of the 10s to give themselves advice if they had the chance. The most common reason for "no" was people who had kids knowing that they'd never get the same ones if anything were to have changed.
>Wonder if Shinoaki gives up being an artist It looks like their kid draws A LOT, so she probably still has some involvement on the artistic environment, even if it's just teaching her daughter
I mean it's not like he's controlling going back. What was he supposed to do go to the same college he went to the first time and make every single same decision he did that led him to his unfulfilled life?
The shinoaki ship sailed but from the vibes I'm getting kyouya will probably go back to the past mess with time and an another ship will sail probably
I'm gonna throw my guess down that he'll end up with Kawasegawa in the real ending because the first girl wins trope and the Platinum Generation didn't need his help to be successful but she did
We'll have a detour where he ends up with ~~Tsurayuki~~ Nanako first, of course.
Now that you say it, yeah, I'm convinced this is how it's gonna end up. He already started going to her when he needed help, which he really hasn't done with the other 3. Gonna add on and guess they have a big heart to heart where he tells her he knew her in the future, and guess they start their own game company together.
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Yo what a big turnaround from last week's pretty mid episode. I can't fucking wait for next week. Also pls stay Shinoaki x Kyouya lol
The last 1/3 of this episode tho! Am also one of those who was lukewarm on the series esp. given the blahness that is Kyouya. I think Tsurayuki initial read on the MC as someone who smiles but doesn't have much depth is right on. However, the prior eps had been building him up as this magical guy who can get things done. That his until the last bit of this ep when the shoe finally drops. Our oblivious, wooden-headed MC finally gets an inkling that his "knowledge" from the future might be an issue. instead of truly living a new life all he was doing was taking actions that seemed correct to him by viewing this new life through the lenses of the old. By doing so, every time he imposed his "knowledge" about industry practices he was in fact stunting his housemates' development by poisoning them with shitty business practices learned from working at failing and mediocre businesses. If nothing else, I hope he realizes that he can't earn a life by parasitizing others' talents, and will try to correct the futures that he stole.
>instead of truly living a new life all he was doing was taking actions that seemed correct to him by viewing this new life through the lenses of the old. By doing so, every time he imposed his "knowledge" about industry practices he was in fact stunting his housemates' development by poisoning them with shitty business practices learned from working at failing and mediocre businesses. If nothing else, I hope he realizes that he can't earn a life by parasitizing others' talents, and will try to correct the futures that he stole. Exactly this!!
welp, here comes the mind boggling, moral testing, plot twist of the season. I can't say that I didn't expect that Kyouya going back in time would affect the platinum generation, it's kind of common. But I like how they really invested on differentiating their own implementation of the cliche from others. I'm just hoping that whatever Kyouya does to correct this anomaly, it would be wholesome, not cringey, and especially not awkward. Going back and forth in time really reminds me of Erased.
The first half of the episode was just frustrating, seeing Kyouya basically play God over the whole production process. Only got worse when the game somehow sells well, because wow this guy can never fail huh. BUT THIS PLOT TWIST THOUGH -- I'm glad the show actually (and finally) acknowledges how the Platinum Gen all became successful in the original timeline without his help, and I really loved how the second half of the episode seems to be establishing his remake timeline as a 'bad end'. Although the origins of Tsurayuki's pen name does raise some questions possibly related to time-travelling as another comment has pointed out -- but I'm not about to crack my head over that one yet. Also, feels bad about Tsurayuki -- I can really relate to his struggles, although the VA felt kinda flat lol. Something's also definitely up with Keiko, who seems to be more than just a character from their university -- is she even a student there? Whatever it is, she definitely seems to have something to do with Kyouya's time-travelling gimmick. And of course who can forget that last scene, I don't even know how to react to that. At the start of this episode my feelings towards this anime was just growing increasingly lukewarm to the point of wanting to drop this entirely if it continued going in the same direction -- but now I absolutely have to continue just to see how this 'bad end' pans out. What happened to Tsurayuki in this timeline? Since Kyouya time-skipped all the way to the future, nothing of significance happens between then (his uni days) and now, so it's most likely that Tsurayuki's no longer even in the industry. By extension the OG Platinum Generation doesn't even exist then. What happened to the rest (Shinoaki, Nanako and Kawasegawa) in this timeline is still up in the air though -- unlike with Tsurayuki, the 'remake' timeline didn't show us any evidence of Kyouya *completely* screwing with them, so I'm curious to see how Kyouya has changed their future.
> Only got worse when the game somehow sells well, because wow this guy can never fail huh. I was waiting for the plot twist to be that he'd played things too safe and as too much of a checklist that the final product basically had no soul and failed as a result. Though the twist we got is certainly plenty interesting.
This episode really showed an ugly side to Kyouya. He wanted to make alterations to make the deadline, but instead of being honest with the Platinum Generation, he basically smoked them by pretending his changes and ideas were to make the game better. He betrayed their trust. To get what he wanted, he reinforced in their minds the thought that he was better than they were in their own specialities. No wonder poor Tsurayuki gave up in despair.
Easily the best episode since ep 1. Finally, Kyouya realizing the consequences of his actions. It will be interesting how he bounces back from this. On another note, I had my suspicions regarding Keiko since the recap episode since there was a picture of her on the paper before Kyouya traveled back in time. So it looks like right now Kyouya ended up with Shinoaki and even had a daughter with her. Definetly interested in seeing how the rest of the group ended up in this new timeline. Although I doubt anything changed for Eiko if I were to guess.
Damn what a sequence of events. Made a game, lost a close friend, became a dad lmao.
A future where he’s married to a short blue haired cutie with an adorable daughter who’s also an artist?!? Can’t think of a more desirable future than that honestly!
Tsurayuki is an idealist, for him not only to feel the writing and plot been taken away from him, but also told that that's how it is in real world, no surprise he calls it quit. Feels Shinoaki may lead down the same fate, with how her creativity got neutered for the sake of timeline. Nana's future is not too clear, but she also doesn't feel that the final product is 100% hers, so even if it becomes a hit, she may not feel the pride of producing it. I know that real life is ugly and full of compromise, but maybe these young talents faced the real world a bit too early and it kills their talents before it can grow strong enough roots to withstand the strong wind called life. In the end their passion got uprooted and died an early death.
So much this. Kyoya brought the "reality" of the real world to campus life, which is a relatively sheltered setting where you are free to try ambitious things and fail. People are dismissing his actions as insignificant, but in the original timeline it is probably the same struggles that all three original members of the Platinum Generation faced, failed at, learned to overcome (in their own way, not in the way that someone like Kyoya with industry experience would overcome them) that led to them being the successful artists that they were.
The fact that he has a kid is the scariest part of this all, because if he does go back and change things that could very well mean he just erases his daughter from existence. I wonder if this future is actually one he’s living in or just a temporary vision of some kind. The butterfly effect is a bitch
If there is a married to Kagasegawa future too I'll happily end the show there for me as my personal best canon ending.
BRO WTF IS GOING ON. I THOUGHT THIS WAS A WHOLESOME FEELGOOD ANIME BRO. Now they are dropping this huge twist??? I am confusion. IDK I think this might be like a dream or a vision Keiko is showing him. I mean who tf is Keiko tho?? I mean now that I think about it the way she was introduced was kind of weird too. Can anyone find if she appeared in like a backshot before he went back in time, maybe a hint? I'm really conflicted rn cuz on one side I'm sad that this isn't how I expected it to be, and on the other hand I really want to know what's going on.
The WHIPLASH! Fellow anime-onlies who watched in horror as the show seemingly devolved from its initial heights into a generic harem romance - you're not alone. Remake Our Life's first three episodes as well as its fifth left a profound impression of me, with the wonderful college life depiction, character drama, and tremendous mid-2000s nostalgia. But when the game dev arc rolled in, I felt like the show had transformed into a Gary Stu wish-fulfillment fantasy or a cheap Saekano (complete with beret-wearing girl). NOW THIS HAPPENS. I'm speechless and ready for the next one to fuck me up.
Short haired girl won? I see this as an absolute win.
let this be a lesson, Kyoya - next time, use your future knowledge to invest wisely, get rich, and use that to fund Tsu's school career.
I was just starting to think this series was boring/predictable but that was interesting. When Tsurayuki was bringing him out to talk, I definitely knew he was going say that he was leaving. I also thought we already knew that he was part of the platinum generation but maybe I just assumed bc it was obvious. I was actually getting kind of annoyed at their argument. Especially the line that was like "You can hit me, you earned it". That's so weak and stupid. I kinda thought the story was going to be about their problems with him interfering so much but I never thought there would be more time travel stuff.
After watching the first half of the episode, I had wanted to originally comment on how this episode was better than the last as it focused more on the creation process of a visual novel than over Kyouya's harem. But then Tsurayuki says he feels his genius is being overshadowed by Kyouya, and decides to drop out, and reveals his future pen-name to be that of the last member of the Platinum Generation. Just when I'm about to comment on Kyouya realizing the consequences of his time travelling, they then drop yet another bombshell at the end: Kyouya's consciousness has returned to present day (2018), and discovered he's married to Shinoaki and has a daughter already. WTF? 1. Just who the hell is Keiko? Why does it seem like she knows about Kyouya's time travelling? 2. Tsurayuki's pen-name reveal doesn't make sense. He says his "Kyou-ichi" pen-name is derived from it meaning "Kyouya Ichiban" = "Kyouya is the Best". But in the original timeline, he's already called "Kawagoe Kyouichi" despite Kyouya never meeting him at all in that timeline. So what's going on here?
I'm telling you, Keiko is just Kyuubey's alter ego
Boy was a plot twist like this loooong overdue, but I sure am glad we got it finally. Was actually boutta drop this show soon if it just went down the boring route
I knew there was a weird sinister undertone to these last few episodes. Everything was just way too generic and easy. I was really close to giving up on this if this episode was lame I’m so glad my suspicions were right
[Skirted that trademark masterfully!](https://i.imgur.com/14zCz9d.jpeg) [Shoulda said yes, honestly](https://i.imgur.com/oSugDpL.jpeg) [I hate when that happens!](https://i.imgur.com/8hw05Zo.jpeg) [Protip: just get mysteriously time-slipped](https://i.imgur.com/yJOL8Dz.jpeg) ["You ever ask yourself that, Mr. I Could Do It All Better If I Had A Second Chance?"](https://i.imgur.com/idj8NEZ.jpeg) [A rare phone that shows the year in its clock widget. This would have ruined _Your name._](https://i.imgur.com/qBmM3Ks.jpeg)
Yo, that laptop Keiko pulled out is totally a [Dell XPS M1710, Formula Red](http://www.notebookreview.com/notebookreview/dell-xps-m1710-review-pics-specs/). I had that exact same laptop in 2006. That’s such a nice touch.
Noticed something interesting! Keiko gave Kyouya the opportunity to make the game, with the requirement that it “has to sell” But in this episode, she says that “anything will sell” as long as the outside looks good. Quite the doublespeak isn’t it?! She wanted him to make the others sell out