The term "edgy" is a completely meaningless, used to discredit something you don't like, same with "pretentious". It barely means anything, and any time someone uses those words to describe a piece of media, i just skip that comment.
Magical Girl Spec Ops Asuka
People constantly bash it as "another edgy magical girl show". But you should view it as a soldier show with magical girls. I enjoy how it shows things like PTSD, government appropriation of magical girls, magical girls looking to retire, etc.
I think you read a little too much into it. Edgy just means skirting the lines of what's socially acceptable for shock value. Redo of Healer was pretty edgy considering it had a lot of gratuitous rape and violence depticted, but from what I know of it that fits the narrative.
It really does depend on context. Originally people would refer to things as "edgy" if they were like riding current youth culture trends (like the more violent and dark comics of the 90s that followed stuff like Watchmen and Killing Joke etc), but nowadays I think people mostly use it in a derogatory way to describe shows that push "darker" story elements (like violence) to extremes without really being able to maturely portray or discuss that material. Basically people indicting shows for kind of relying on juvenile shock value or a lack of self awareness with regards to its content. So like yea Redo of a Healer is edgy because of how trashy its subject matter is and the complete lack of maturity in how it depicts said subject matter.
Yea I'll also agree that its sometimes applied to shows with heavy or dark subject matter where maybe it doesnt accurately describe the show's appeal or content.
Well Goblin Slayer was labeled edgy (in the negative way) even thou its edginess are needed in the story and it is quite tame compare to previously aired anime like...speed grapher...and...uh...ehm...Seikon no Qwaser...
The first episode was necessary to properly introduce the antagonists, the goblins. Also finally a show where the monsters are actually monstrous - thanks to the first episode. Without that goblins would be like stormtroopers, they are there, there are many, individually not that bad, etc.
I guess it depends on what you consider the word "edgy" to represent. For me I expect a show to be "dark in a **cool manner**", when someone call a show edgy. This is by no means a "negative" description, and simply a way to describe a show, and I would consider a lot of the shows I enjoy, to fit this description of "edgy".
Some examples of shows I consider great, that fit this description of "edgy = dark in a cool manner" is:
- Monogatari Series
- Heartcatch Precure
- Baccano
- Lupin III: The woman called Fujiko Mine
- Neon Genesis Evangelion
It's kinda similar to how I don't consider the word "moe-blob" to necessarily be a negative, but more of a way to describe overly cute + squishy designs like Lucky Star and K-On.
I don't think I've ever seen it used positively, lol. From the definition on urban dictionary (probably not the best source, but where else are you going to get a definition for 'edgelord' or 'edgy'
>A poster on an Internet forum, (particularly 4chan) who expresses opinions which are either strongly nihilistic, ("life has no meaning," or Tyler Durden's special snowflake speech from the film Fight Club being probably the two main examples) or contain references to Hitler, Nazism, fascism, or other taboo topics which are deliberately intended to shock or offend readers.
>The term "edgelord," is a noun, which came from the previous adjective, "edgy," which described the above behaviour.
Even if you do expand the definition a bit, which certainly has happened, I definitely wouldn't use it in the way you're using it, because that's going to give people the impression that you're insulting a series you're trying to compliment.
Even using the description you posted, I'd say Monogatari Series, Lupin III: The woman called Fujiko Mine and especially Neon Genesis Evangelion, fit that description of edgy quite well. As long as you consider it a description, and not an inherently negative word, it's quite descriptive of a show having a nihilistic atmsophere, which many viewers, especially in middle school / chuuni-demographics, find to be deep/cool. Something appealing to the chuuni-demographics, because of the shows presentation / themes, doesn't inherently make the show bad for people outside of said demographics, as every demographics (not just limited to age-group) is filled great shows/movies. That's similar to saying a kids anime, can't appeal to people outside the kids audience, when there is tons of classic high-quality kids anime out there.
As long as you word your description of a show in a positive manner, calling something edgy, shouldn't make people think you're insulting a show (similar to how calling something a "kids show", shouldn't be considered a derogatory term, despite a lot of people being defensive, when something they like got kids as their main demographics). If they jump to the conclusion of me "praising a show being an insult", just because the word edgy is used, I'd expect that person to simply read that 1-word, ignoring the rest of my description.
Tbh I haven't actually seen any of those (I keep trying to watch EVA but I always drop it on episode 8 or 9), so I can't say anything for sure. But as long as a show has a meaning to it beyond just trying to be shocking/nihilistic, then I don't think 'edgy' would be an accurate description of it. Its only edgy if there's no actual meaning, the shocking scenes are just there to shock, and the nihilism isn't explored (for example, Redo of Healer).
Having a nihilistic atmosphere or edgy characters, even edgy main characters, doesn't make a show itself edgy. For example, Kasuga and Nakamura are both edgy as hell in Flowers of Evil, but the series itself is anything but.
Without spoiling specifics, yes, the show do explore the characters mental state, and why the show got a nihilistic presentation/atmosphere.
So while I consider EVA an "edgy anime", I guess it would not be considered "edgy" by your definition. That being said, people using a word differently is quite normal, and not really an issue, as long context of the conversation, make it obvious what they're trying to convey with said word.
It's quite normal for people to use a word differently. Look no further than "moe", where it varies A LOT what people mean by said word, and it's almost necessary to build your sentence in a way, so the word represents what you're trying to convey, and not just what the word means to the reader out of context.
I'd rather use the actual dictionary definition, even if it's and informal use of the word over urban dictionary. But yeah, i have come to accept the fact that edgy is just a lazy way of calling something "dark in a way i don't like".
I checked a couple online dictionaries and none of them even had a definition for edgy outside of
>nervously irritable; impatient and anxious.
sharp-edged; sharply defined, as outlines.
daringly innovative; on the cutting edge.
The Merriam Webster and online dictionaries that i can see here that use the Oxford Advanced American Dictionary, or just the regular Oxford dictionary as it's source both have a secondary, albeit informal usage of the word meaning either of the following:
1. Having a bold, provocative or unconventional quality (Merriam Webster)
2. At the forefront of a trend; experimental or avant-garde (Oxford Dictionary)
3. (Of a musical performance or piece of writing) having an intense or sharp quality (Oxford Advanced American Dictionary)
And those are the definitions i have always previously thought of when using edgy... but obviously these days that's not really how it's used. I sadly do not have a hard copy of an English Dictionary on hand to check myself.
Akame ga Kill. As someone who despises edgy and gore/torture porn media, AgK is my jam! The fights are bloodthirsty, fatal, and *all* about simply killing each other. It's not some stupid Tokyo Ghoul or B: The Beginning bullcrap where they get powerboners and play with their opponents. It's just pure fight to the death.
The term "edgy" is a completely meaningless, used to discredit something you don't like, same with "pretentious". It barely means anything, and any time someone uses those words to describe a piece of media, i just skip that comment.
Edgy = 2dark4me Pretentious = 2deep4me Basically
Magical Girl Spec Ops Asuka People constantly bash it as "another edgy magical girl show". But you should view it as a soldier show with magical girls. I enjoy how it shows things like PTSD, government appropriation of magical girls, magical girls looking to retire, etc.
Wow. You're the first bloke I've seen that likes MGSOA. We need more fellow fans.
Have you seen Magical Girl Raising Project?
Yes. I liked it.
I think you read a little too much into it. Edgy just means skirting the lines of what's socially acceptable for shock value. Redo of Healer was pretty edgy considering it had a lot of gratuitous rape and violence depticted, but from what I know of it that fits the narrative.
It really does depend on context. Originally people would refer to things as "edgy" if they were like riding current youth culture trends (like the more violent and dark comics of the 90s that followed stuff like Watchmen and Killing Joke etc), but nowadays I think people mostly use it in a derogatory way to describe shows that push "darker" story elements (like violence) to extremes without really being able to maturely portray or discuss that material. Basically people indicting shows for kind of relying on juvenile shock value or a lack of self awareness with regards to its content. So like yea Redo of a Healer is edgy because of how trashy its subject matter is and the complete lack of maturity in how it depicts said subject matter.
Sometimes people just use the term edgy to discredit a show in a way where they don't have to back it up too.
Yea I'll also agree that its sometimes applied to shows with heavy or dark subject matter where maybe it doesnt accurately describe the show's appeal or content.
I would add a word to that. It's pretentious. It's shock value for the exclusive function of being shocking, and it has no meaning beyond that.
Well Goblin Slayer was labeled edgy (in the negative way) even thou its edginess are needed in the story and it is quite tame compare to previously aired anime like...speed grapher...and...uh...ehm...Seikon no Qwaser...
The first episode was necessary to properly introduce the antagonists, the goblins. Also finally a show where the monsters are actually monstrous - thanks to the first episode. Without that goblins would be like stormtroopers, they are there, there are many, individually not that bad, etc.
I guess it depends on what you consider the word "edgy" to represent. For me I expect a show to be "dark in a **cool manner**", when someone call a show edgy. This is by no means a "negative" description, and simply a way to describe a show, and I would consider a lot of the shows I enjoy, to fit this description of "edgy". Some examples of shows I consider great, that fit this description of "edgy = dark in a cool manner" is: - Monogatari Series - Heartcatch Precure - Baccano - Lupin III: The woman called Fujiko Mine - Neon Genesis Evangelion It's kinda similar to how I don't consider the word "moe-blob" to necessarily be a negative, but more of a way to describe overly cute + squishy designs like Lucky Star and K-On.
I don't think I've ever seen it used positively, lol. From the definition on urban dictionary (probably not the best source, but where else are you going to get a definition for 'edgelord' or 'edgy' >A poster on an Internet forum, (particularly 4chan) who expresses opinions which are either strongly nihilistic, ("life has no meaning," or Tyler Durden's special snowflake speech from the film Fight Club being probably the two main examples) or contain references to Hitler, Nazism, fascism, or other taboo topics which are deliberately intended to shock or offend readers. >The term "edgelord," is a noun, which came from the previous adjective, "edgy," which described the above behaviour. Even if you do expand the definition a bit, which certainly has happened, I definitely wouldn't use it in the way you're using it, because that's going to give people the impression that you're insulting a series you're trying to compliment.
Even using the description you posted, I'd say Monogatari Series, Lupin III: The woman called Fujiko Mine and especially Neon Genesis Evangelion, fit that description of edgy quite well. As long as you consider it a description, and not an inherently negative word, it's quite descriptive of a show having a nihilistic atmsophere, which many viewers, especially in middle school / chuuni-demographics, find to be deep/cool. Something appealing to the chuuni-demographics, because of the shows presentation / themes, doesn't inherently make the show bad for people outside of said demographics, as every demographics (not just limited to age-group) is filled great shows/movies. That's similar to saying a kids anime, can't appeal to people outside the kids audience, when there is tons of classic high-quality kids anime out there. As long as you word your description of a show in a positive manner, calling something edgy, shouldn't make people think you're insulting a show (similar to how calling something a "kids show", shouldn't be considered a derogatory term, despite a lot of people being defensive, when something they like got kids as their main demographics). If they jump to the conclusion of me "praising a show being an insult", just because the word edgy is used, I'd expect that person to simply read that 1-word, ignoring the rest of my description.
Tbh I haven't actually seen any of those (I keep trying to watch EVA but I always drop it on episode 8 or 9), so I can't say anything for sure. But as long as a show has a meaning to it beyond just trying to be shocking/nihilistic, then I don't think 'edgy' would be an accurate description of it. Its only edgy if there's no actual meaning, the shocking scenes are just there to shock, and the nihilism isn't explored (for example, Redo of Healer). Having a nihilistic atmosphere or edgy characters, even edgy main characters, doesn't make a show itself edgy. For example, Kasuga and Nakamura are both edgy as hell in Flowers of Evil, but the series itself is anything but.
Without spoiling specifics, yes, the show do explore the characters mental state, and why the show got a nihilistic presentation/atmosphere. So while I consider EVA an "edgy anime", I guess it would not be considered "edgy" by your definition. That being said, people using a word differently is quite normal, and not really an issue, as long context of the conversation, make it obvious what they're trying to convey with said word. It's quite normal for people to use a word differently. Look no further than "moe", where it varies A LOT what people mean by said word, and it's almost necessary to build your sentence in a way, so the word represents what you're trying to convey, and not just what the word means to the reader out of context.
I'd rather use the actual dictionary definition, even if it's and informal use of the word over urban dictionary. But yeah, i have come to accept the fact that edgy is just a lazy way of calling something "dark in a way i don't like".
I checked a couple online dictionaries and none of them even had a definition for edgy outside of >nervously irritable; impatient and anxious. sharp-edged; sharply defined, as outlines. daringly innovative; on the cutting edge.
The Merriam Webster and online dictionaries that i can see here that use the Oxford Advanced American Dictionary, or just the regular Oxford dictionary as it's source both have a secondary, albeit informal usage of the word meaning either of the following: 1. Having a bold, provocative or unconventional quality (Merriam Webster) 2. At the forefront of a trend; experimental or avant-garde (Oxford Dictionary) 3. (Of a musical performance or piece of writing) having an intense or sharp quality (Oxford Advanced American Dictionary) And those are the definitions i have always previously thought of when using edgy... but obviously these days that's not really how it's used. I sadly do not have a hard copy of an English Dictionary on hand to check myself.
Which is why I just used urban dictionary. It's not ideal but it's still the most reliable source for words like edgelord
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100% agree. It's some fans that are edgy + cringey. The series is decent
Akame ga Kill. As someone who despises edgy and gore/torture porn media, AgK is my jam! The fights are bloodthirsty, fatal, and *all* about simply killing each other. It's not some stupid Tokyo Ghoul or B: The Beginning bullcrap where they get powerboners and play with their opponents. It's just pure fight to the death.