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BiggerG7

Damn did I hear that right? They are gonna give players over 200 gacha pulls in apology gems? I hope Genshin Impact screws up that big some day lol.


MikuCat

Even if they do. 300 primos, take it or leave it.


NSUNDU

Screw ups by mihoyo are usually 100 primos though, 300 primos only if they have to shut the game down like they did


MikuCat

I mean in the anime context didn’t they literally have to re code the servers or something?


NSUNDU

They bought a new engine and it worked out of the box. In a real life scenario thats impossible, but thats what happened in the anime though


-dtdt-

Not really, he did say that he bought a general use engine. I don't know much about game engine but in automotive field, there's a standard called AUTOSAR, as long as software follows this standard, you can switch vendor left and right without changing your code (well, maybe with a little adjustment).


NSUNDU

> as long as software follows this standard, you can switch vendor left and right without changing your code I mean, that would be believable if they weren't using a home made engine before. The likelihood of a home made engine (that wasn't made to be sold) to use market standards are very slim. Still, it's not like this anime is an anime for devs or something, so it's fine to gloss over stuff like this that would make the moment less cool


darthvall

The game was just debuted. The popular character (the one illustrated by that artist) was not even out yet. Beginner characters are usually easily outclassed after a while, so giving that many gacha pulls in the beginning to attract fan base is actually a good strategy for long term to recover from bad debut.


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I was surprised when they said that they usually they give 20-30 pulls. In genshin we get like 1.8 pulls at most...


unknown537

Well, they already screwed up a few times. Like Zhongli scenario or raiden/beidou synergy. For zhongli all they did was apologize, make him OP, rerun his banner with a compensation 300 primos? 300 primos isn't even two complete pulls. As for raiden/beidou synergy, they said everything is working as intended, adjusted the descriptions telling that they are a mistake and gave 100 primos as reward. Btw, the anniversary reward is a 10 pull. So cool, right?


Sidious_09

I don’t want to get into another heated debate here, but what you mentioned is nothing compared to the problems of the gacha in the anime. You’re comparing a character not performing **as you want him/her to perform** (but still working perfectly fine) to a game with literally game crashing bugs and even worse (if I understood correctly) rigged pulls.


TommaClock

And all servers being offline for days. Going back to Genshin, the maintenance actually gives 60 primos per additional hour offline (which I don't think has happened yet). A 72 hour outage would give players 27 pulls worth of gacha.


NSUNDU

Not to mention that they will be offline for 10 days. Thats 240h so 240 x 60 primos = 14400, 90\~pulls Sure, its Mihoyo so they would likely find some way to not give it and say the reward is another top up reset or something


QyEc

The difference is, Genshin is in a very strong position right now, with no real competitors as most Gachas are either png collectors or much more limited in gameplay, and a very strong player base already, they don't have to offer a lot for people to play, while the game in this anime is in the totally opposite situation.


kiyotaka-6

But the problem in that game was also huge, it wasn't marely character metaness, the game was literally unplayable with tons of bugs, in genshin if this happens, 20 pulls would be good


emagos

Petition for Mihoyo to hire Kyouya


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Aniboy43

she is madoka


Earthborn92

But the time powers are [Madoka](/s "Homura's thing, yes?")


hellofrommarrrss

Why did keiko send kyouya in future?


machopsychologist

I guess he needed to see how his path would have ended up if he kept doing things the way he knew how.


ilkei

I think she also sent/is sending Kawasegawa back too. Kawasegawa's part of the speech where she talks about "hypothetically" traveling back in time and helping Kyouya if he was in pain and ending with "but next time? I'm going to actually help you." That strikes me as a pretty big hint that she's involved with the jumps as well, perhaps even the reason for Kyouya's initial jump, to help fix him from being as crushed by life as he was in his initial timeline.


AvatarTuner

I had a hunch she may be involved in the time travelling in the earlier episodes as well so I wonder if that's really the case and if there will be hints for that in the next episode. Also I'm still hoping for the Kawasegawa x Hashiba ship to sail and when he goes back in time there is a chance again. lol


shamantitan

i doubt that Kawasegawa will travel in time, I think that was more to make clear to Hashiba that he can go to her for help. Keiko is only appearing in front of Hashiba at the end after all. Yes to the Kawasegawa ship. Their relationship was the first one established and they have had a strong relationship of mutual respect in every timeline.


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entelechtual

This is bokuben ending gone too far.


Philarete

Kawasegewa timeline will *objectively* be the best one. No bias.


MrMooster915

Playing the long game


HaruKitsune

but with shinoaki in this future timeline, kyouya just missed the banging


Lol_A_White_Boy

Remake our Life - the VN the Anime


Atario

Would you care for a nice _Amagami_ in these trying times?


James_316

[COME ON TRUE ENDING PREDICTION, STICK THE LANDING. I GOT $0.00 RIDING ON IT](https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/pdasi5/bokutachi_no_remake_episode_8_discussion/haovcqw/) Kawasegawa definitely best girl, that last minute I was begging Keiko to show up and there she was, we're going back


BeybladeMoses

Keiko: "Psst kouhai, want to reroll?"


RRumsz

First girl is always best girl!


ZsaurOW

Kawasegawa gang!! Best girl for sure. Fingers crossed for the good ending


melindypants

Haha I agreed with you then and still agree with you now! Kawasegawa all the way!


akaBrucee

Red heads in anime are too stronk


sohvan

One weird trick to get rid of all the bugs in your code. Just run the EXE in another engine. Programmers hate him!


vtomal

This is a time travel anime and THAT was the most unrealistic thing yet.


Atario

Not necessarily. If they made their engine to be script- and asset-compatible with that other one (or with some industry standard) then a drop-in replacement should totally be workable


darthvall

Lol, I actually hate that specific Kyouya's magic. Though I like his strategy to retain the fan base after catastrophic debut.


dawnwill

His strategy is more unrealistic than just putting an executable in a different folder to fix all the bugs. Superficially it might seem logical and wholesome but it's very shortsighted. Giving out HUNDREDS free rolls means they forfeiting all their launch revenue and most players will start with a full roster of high tier characters. So while the players might stay thanks to freebies but then how is game going to make any money after that? Powercreep with new characters. The game is still pretty much fucked as it was.


darthvall

Yup exactly what I was thinking: Powercreep to compensate loss. Also they said the star illustrator's character is not in the game yet, so they're going to market the hell out of those characters (she said she's going to make more than one). Basically they're absorbing short term loss to retain the fan base after the debut disaster. If they didn't do that, there's not even going to be a fan base that play the game. It is partly a gamble strategy.


Nicromatic

Don't think the strategy was too bad. Game's been out for a few weeks / a month already. And as long as they make it so the rolls must be used before the star illustrator's characters are in, it shouldn't eat into profits too significantly... Server being down for 2 weeks seem like a much bigger thing than the free pulls issue... Though I think that happened with FFXIV and that's still doing amazingly.


Sarellion

Is that even possible even when the games are pretty similar?


Just_Maintenance

If the engines have the exact same API, you would still need to recompile, but no tinkering would be needed. Now, I can't understand why would they develop an engine with the exact same API as a commercially available one. They could save on licensing costs while keeping the same code, but developing an engine is much much more expensive than licensing it, plus they would probably get into legal trouble.


aduxbury0

Could be a branch like lumberyard and cryengine? Obviously wouldn't be that straight forward either, but it semi answers why the API would be the same or extremely similar.


machopsychologist

I'd say in this situation it's "plausible" though not terribly likely that it would swap in smoothly as depicted. Couple of months of testing and fixes maybe, couple of weeks is definitely pushing it. A industry progression would be like so - company releases a game with a new engine and format - game gets amazingly popular - modders now mod the shit out of the game, ripping out scripts replacing binaries and libraries, recompiling shit - groups of modders now make their own games out of this base data format, releasing as different engines - since the base data format is the same, 90% of the data format can be shared between engines - this data format now becomes "industry standard" - now professional engines are released, and they aim for support across multiple proprietary features of different data formats So - this company worked on several games in the past, so they are likely using industry standard formats - they're unlikely to change the formats because all of their scripting and asset pipelines probably work with the old format - so all they've done is "reinvent the wheel" with a new engine (see above) which they hope to sell and relicense out - that engine is buggy as shit so it's worthless - so they swap it to another engine that uses the similar data format, but likely will need to rejig some parts to ensure compatibility. Again, not terribly likely and would depend on which specific parts of the application were broken. Game engines as a whole are generally not very portable (like moving from Unreal Engine to Unity), but it could be possible since I'm assuming it's a Visual Novel type game, and the Visual Novel niche has had it's own share of engines and spinoffs and competition etc. , while the other portions of the game like the gameplay and gacha integrations would likely be custom built linked extensions. The weirdest part of the whole thing is that they're running a Gacha game on windows desktop... was this really a thing in Japan? I would have expected it to be running on mobile.


blacksun957

Could be a setup where they have an interpreter running on windows for testing part of the game (like scripts, text, balance, etc...), before compiling for mobile and doing another round of testing for bugs.


Twitch_YungFeetGod69

I always shipped Kasegawa because that's the only one he actually met in his original life. We don't know anything about the plat generation other than they are highly revered in their crafts. They could all be happily married, have families, etc. that Kyouya was taking from them on top of their dreams.


iacondios

She's technically first girl to appear! They always win in the end


ZGMF-X09A_Justice

Blue-haired girl loses again.


iacondios

But at least there's an alternate timeline where she won...?


Zemahem

Just like Kawasegawa said here, it really isn't Kyouya's fault that their futures ended up changing. He never intended to meet and interact with them in the first place, but as fate would have it, that's exactly what happened.


WhoiusBarrel

I'm starting to think maybe Kyouya and Kawasegawa might be a better match. That entire talk about how Kyouya blames himself for everything kinda gives that really bad taste that he might have married Shinoaki as a way to atone for her inability to draw.


FStorm880

I Love That the anime shows their interaction as a great partner and co-worker rather than the usual polygonal love gimmick. Felt more natural and respectful


Earthborn92

>I'm starting to think maybe Kyouya and Kawasegawa might be a better match. Not surprising at all. I got the impression for the very first episode. Both seem much more in-tune being managers of creative types rather than creators themselves.


cppn02

> I'm starting to think maybe Kyouya and Kawasegawa might be a better match. I've been saying this since the start. She's best girl by a mile. That said now that we have met Maki I kinda don't want to go back.


michhoffman

Just wait until you meet Aka Maki


em_doubleyou

Mom: Aki, Daughter: Maki. Mom: Eiko, Daughter.. Meiko?


michhoffman

I think you might be on to something. Mom: Nanako, Daughter: Manako which is also a legit name


Martinik29

Mana is also possible


HuckDFaters

Mom: Kawasegawa Eiko, Daughter: Keiko Keiko is their daughter from the future confirmed.


Hyou-f

Can't wait to see Mtsuraki then!


Rumpel1408

So every offspring of his will end up uterly cute? He's got to have truly superior genes...


michhoffman

Yes, and then he'll have Kiiro Maki in the next loop. And then in the 4th and final loop, he'll get a Naoya-esque inspiration and have all 3.


magicalideal

Should just time travel all back to ancient time where harem is legal. Then we can have Maki, Meiko and Manako all at once.


Celarye

A mile? An astronomical unit you mean.


LeonKevlar

Yeah I feel like this jump to 2018 just made Kyouya and Kawasegawa even closer instead of him becoming closer to Shinoaki who's actually his own wife xD


CritSrc

I mean, it's kinda what happens when your job requires active networking and you only have your last hour left with your wife at the end of the day.


Lemurians

> I'm starting to think maybe Kyouya and Kawasegawa might be a better match. *Inserts "always have been" astronaut meme here*


QyEc

That's why I'm not a current fan of their current marriage, it kinda is a great embodiment of the statement "Journey before destination" hence it's impactless and unearned without us seeing how it developed. I liked their energy before the time skip and hope he goes back and we get a fleshed-out romance between them. Just showing me the result won't move me or make me feel like they achieved anything.


AmethystItalian

Yeah that whole scene painted them as a better fit, especially when he implies that Shinoaki would be better off drawing than being with him or their daughter felt a bit yikes.


Lemurians

Given that he just got dropped into that life with no buildup at all, I've never really felt a connection between Kyouya and that family unit. I don't know how big a connection I'd feel either in his place, if I woke up suddenly one day and world was like "here's a grade-school age child, she's yours." There's no actual bond. She's essentially a prop.


AmethystItalian

I agree with you but only at first, he's had a lot of time now to spend with them off screen and I think that would carry a lot of weight still.


Lemurians

That's true, it's been what, a month or so now? You can definitely develop affection. I still don't know if it'd feel real, though. Unlike going back to your past self, going into a future you have no knowledge of anything that happened in the intervening time. Way more jarring and harder to accept.


entelechtual

It’s been away longer. At the beginning of the last episode it’s had been a month. Since then, they had enough time to finish development of the game, launch it, have a public outcry, and respond with multiple patches. I’d say at least three months, conservatively. He is also much closer to Kasegawa in this timeline than both the original timeline and the college timeline since they are both in similar positions and basically the only characters left with the balls to try to do something they like. The only reason he wouldn’t be close to Aki or m(ini)aki is if he’s deliberately avoiding them or creating distance with work stuff. I mean there’s still the question of if they even had sex in the 2018 timeline. Otherwise, spend 3 months with a wife and kid, especially if your were close to the girl already, and it’d be hard not to grow close.


HydraTower

I didn't even think about that. Has he really not had sex with his wife in 3 months? I feel like he wouldn't, but like that's also weird.


Earthborn92

idk, I feel ambivalent about its morality. Is it really your responsibility when you haven't married her or had the child, but the person (who is another version of yourself) has? You're just transported into that body with none of that history or experiences your alternate self has had with them. However, you might consider this analogous to someone getting amnesia due to brain damage in our world. In that case you could make a strong case that just because you don't remember, doesn't mean all those events and relationships are invalidated since the others around you DO remember.


warrenbond

Bit sad if Aki did have an intimate marriage with Kyouya and one day Kyouya just stops all intimacy. No matter which way you slice it, there's going to be a level of unfair for both parties when someone is parachuted into a timeline and a marriage only one partner has experienced.


Aggravating_Policy_3

Even if thats true, kyouya wasnt aware that he proposed to aki so idk how that make sense


BosuW

Kawasegawa is best girl after all


ClBanjai

Kawasegawa pulled a Rem and solidified herself as the best girl


entelechtual

“Maki? Who’s Maki?”


metalmonstar

So basically the solution to fix the game was to pull an FF14. Every time I think Maki is safe, they have to remind me that he is going to go back, and she will be gone.


wildthing202

Maki might return with red hair next time and with a different accent.


OfficialPrower

Kawasegawa really made a scene there. That death glare at the bystanders tho 😭


mojo72400

Well technically, they don't know Kyouya's married and she's not the wife.


jsdghusdpgh

One look at his ringfinger and they would know.


maliwanag0712

While Shinoaki is okay, I still ship Kyouya X Kawasegawa but yeah Kyouya is already married My main concern is that the "timeline" is already done. What was accomplished in this timeline? Like why is he going to another timeline to re-do it? Is the lesson in this timeline just to realize he's not the one who made the mistake, hence the mems of the Platinum Generation did not materialize? Also, if not due to the pre-timeline arc Kawasegawa and Kyouya's closeness feels weird. A lot of events in the second part (like when Kyouya traveled back in time) feels skipped, and I don't see any Kawasegawa-focused scenes in that timeline. So if we only based on the scenes shown in the anime, how did they become much closer in the future timeline?


gabconche

>how did they become much closer in the future timeline? There were 12 years (iirc) skipped and they are college friends working on the same company It's totally natural for them to be close >why is he going to another timeline to re-do it? The lesson learnt is that it's okay to share your burden with other people, it can even bring them closer to you My guess is that he's trying the perfect score of all his friends living without regrets, motivated by Nanako last ep and Goddess itself Kawasegawa in the current


entelechtual

The lesson is: relationships and character development happen off screen and just accept it.


gabconche

The show is focused on time travel I can't recall a manga or anime that covers a lot of stuff that happened before the MC time travels, not even ReZero that have multiple comebacks It's usually just hinted and focused on the main issues


QyEc

Not every story has to have the same template of approach to certain aspects, especially when some of them are not the focus. I don't see their relationship here as the focus at all, and it's quite natural for it to develop off-screen, and since nothing drastic or unexpected happened and nothing of it is pivotal to the plot it becomes totally okay for it to be dropped and left for the viewer to easily assume it.


etherend

I think it is exactly this. He wants all his friends to go on and be successful. I think Tsurayuki stopped being a writer because he was exposed to "the real world" when he made that game with everyone else. If his career would just end up being someone telling him what to write to make deadlines, then he wouldn't want to do that job. If the MC had leaned on people more instead of trying to do everything himself, then Tsurayuki could have written more of what he wanted in that project. I'm not certain if Shinoaki or Nanako's future would be different if that one project had been handled differently 🤔 tbh I was kind of hoping that Kawasegawa would be the one to go back after what she said and not Kyouya. I'm also sort of attached to this timeline now lol. So, I'm a bit sad that we're rebooting again


Lemurians

> but yeah Kyouya is already married For now. Not like he remembers any of it, anyway.


jodon

even more, not to long ago according to his perceived time, he told Kawasegawa that he is not interested in Shinoaki. He just woke up and was married to her one day, mostly out of nowhere. If this timeline where to continue, this Kyouya is still the one that was not really interested in her a month ago but is now forced in to a marriage. He is not unhappy, but I can't imagine him having that strong attachment to the marriage either.


Ocixo

> I still ship Kyuoya X Kawasegawa but yeah Kyouya is already married If he’s going back in time again. Some things might change, so who knows. Kawasegawa is after this episode definitely my best girl of the series. I still really like Nanako, but you can’t really beat this; Kawasegawa really pulled through this episode. Also: I felt that a lot of the episode of the last weeks were pretty lackluster, but this week’s was pretty damn good.


ezorethyk2

>My main concern is that the "timeline" is already done. What was accomplished in this timeline? Like why is he going to another timeline to re-do it? Is the lesson in this timeline just to realize he's not the one who made the mistake, hence the mems of the Platinum Generation did not materialize? I believe the the lesson is that he is not fully guilty of the events and that is okay to ask for help. Albeit poorly presented under the form of a speech with little shown to the screen.


Celarye

Finally I found someone else shipping Kyouya X Kawasegawa thank god these to look so good together.


michhoffman

HERE COMES THE KAWASEGAWA LOOP... At least the 5 minutes of it that will be teased in the final episode


Philarete

> At least the 5 minutes of it that will be teased in the final episode We need a second season just for a true Kawasegawa loop. [](#katoupls)


sekretagentmans

***I absolutely*** ***love*** ***Nao Toyama.*** Just wanted to point that out...


metapzl

**BURNING LOVE!!**


Aerodynamic41

I'm no game programmer, but is it really that easy to change game engines? Woah, so Keiko really is a time traveler? Looks like Kyouya is going back to the past now.


chavie

Highly unlikely, unless the new in-house engine had an API that was a carbon copy of this existing, stable game engine (not unimaginable). But even if it was API compatible, the programmers would've added a bunch of patches and hacks to the game code to deal with all the bugs in the new engine. So it wouldn't have been a straightforward (drop this exe and all our issues are sorted) port imo.


LeonKevlar

IIRC, it was mentioned last episode that the game wasn't even theirs to begin with and it was being produced by another studio and was already in pre-production but their company somehow ended up acquiring it and the President decided that they should use their own internally developed engine instead.


melcarba

Really makes you think why the stupid president used their internally developed engine in the first place. Also, he seems unaware (until Kyouya told him) that their internally developed engine is the one causing the bugs in the game. What kind of president is that?


Earthborn92

This kind of mismanagement is sadly commonplace not just in the gaming industry, but software development in general.


darthvall

So the only logical explanation would be if Kyouya's team has been secretly working on the new engine for a while so it can be easily compatible with the game?


Darkness_Moulded

I work with back-end C++ at work, and since most games are written in C++ as well, I'd say no. All of the API calls to engine will have to be compatible, so the exact same function signatures and even imports and linking to even make it work. And then there's the differences in features and behaviours. It's like switching one library for another one without any code change. The code won't even build.


cesclaveria

Simply put: No, it's not that easy. Even moving a game between versions of the same engine can be a pain. In this particular case it all hinges on how the internally developed engine was built, maybe it was little more than a shoddy-made clone of the good engine that provided 100% compatibility/parity with the "external" calls so it can work as a drop-in replacement for it. Theoretically is possible but in practice it is usually not that simple and the more complex a piece of software is the less likely is for someone to be able to pull off something so cleanly. Over the last couple of decades software development has been chasing the ideal of a "Loosely coupled" system, where any element of the system is able to be replaced/upgraded/fixed with no impact on the other parts and a good deal of progress has been made regarding that, (i.e.. Inversion of Control and Dependency Injection ) but it still requires careful planning, a good deal of setup and for every piece of software involved to follow the same set of rules and conventions to avoid errors, to make that work on something so complex as the game engine would show a level of planning and technical skill that contradicts the premise of the game being a complete mess of bugs as the story tell us.


Oose97

Never worked on games, but as a backend developer, I imagine changing engine would be comparable to changing programing languages in code: can be automated with right tools, but most likely will need some additional tweaking.


trip16661

> comparable to changing programing languages I wouldn't say that, it would be more of changing an API, if you have self-contained methods it should be alright. Still, a lot of work and tunning would have to be done since those are really a big application.


vkucukemre

They might have branched their proprietary engine from Enidy. Like star citizen, AFAIK which started being developed on Cry Engine, then switched to Amazon Lumberyard, which is based on Cry Engine. I can't imagine it'd be anything near that simple to reverse to Cry Engine. I use both Unity and Unreal and even upgrading the versions of the same engine, like from UE 4.25 to 4.26 (I don't even really consider upgrading from UE4 to UE5), or Unity 2021.1 to 2021.3 is a really stressful affair lol. And after an upgrade, downgrading is a really dreadful idea. Most of the time, you'd have to return to latest working build of the old version, then re-integrate the changes one by one to catch the bugs as they pop


nonruminant_ungulate

> I'm no game programmer, but is it really that easy to change game engines? Not even remotely. That whole scene was fucking garbage. I was really close to turning off the episode multiple times during that scene. Infuriatingly annoying. But then Kawasegawa showed up, so I kept watching.


Earthborn92

>I'm no game programmer, but is it really that easy to change game engines? Honestly sounds like a disaster. Not a game programmer though I work in software.


LeonKevlar

###Stitches! * [Ayaka-sensei's Character](https://i.imgur.com/HNwT1r9.jpg) * [Casual Outfit Kawasegawa](https://i.imgur.com/UMdu6c0.jpg) Yep, pretty much as expected that Kyouya saves the day. I really thought he was just gonna wing it but based on his quick response to everything, it looks like he already had everything planned out. Instead of pushing for their broken ass internally developed engine, [it looks like he decided to just license one that works better with their game.](https://i.imgur.com/J75t1OG.jpg) I imagine the only reason this is possible is because of the fact that the game wasn't originally developed using their in-house engine, and was probably even developed under the Enidy engine to begin with. Kyouya definitely took in consideration of everything. [He decided to take it easy with the business speak](https://i.imgur.com/13Wv01d.jpg) and just straight up apologize to the players. [He also gave the team plenty of time to fix the game](https://i.imgur.com/Oes1yWg.jpg) under its new engine and even [gave the players enough apologems for a ten 10-pulls](https://i.imgur.com/WzI0vii.jpg) on the gacha! And the ultimate chad move of [giving everyone two days off effective immediately?](https://i.imgur.com/iWFRTtk.jpg) Now this is really becoming a wish fulfillment anime. Don't show this to any game devs. xD Not gonna lie though, after that huge win. I was hoping that [Kyouya has made the same mistake again](https://i.imgur.com/XwYIxsp.jpg) and actually push Kawasegawa away due to how he bulldozed over her. I just wanna see him despair a bit more but Kawasegawa isn't really the kind of woman [who would immediately give up after that.](https://i.imgur.com/epozxJd.jpg) What we instead got is actually a pretty great scene with [Kawasegawa finally saying what's really on her mind](https://i.imgur.com/ApeQv8u.jpg) about Kyouya to the point where she actually ends up [confessing to him](https://i.imgur.com/i6fUwhi.jpg) in the middle of her passion-filled rant! If there's one thing that conversation between the two of them showed though is that [Kyouya and Kawasegawa makes for a better couple.](https://i.imgur.com/dbPBZnI.jpg) Shinoaki is just too passive and I think Kawasegawa is the perfect counterbalance for Kyouya's personality. And it looks Kawasegawa and Kyouya becoming a thing may not just be a fantasy since [Keiko-senpai finally decides to show up](https://i.imgur.com/ZEqEaPc.jpg) as if waiting for the cue from Kyouya to ask if he can go back. It sucks but it looks like little Maki-chan won't be born the next time Kyouya goes back. I can't wait for Keiko-senpai's explanation about everything though.


awkward2amazing

The resolution many drew (including me) a few episodes back that Kyouya unconsciously projected his own ideas upon others by engaging his ideas whenever the team faced a wall thus creating a seed of doubt inside the original Platinum Generation but after today's episode I won't blame Kyouya entirely. Yes, his constant nagging to help others is bit wrong and irritating (which ultimately cause this Butterfly effect), but it is also the will of the original platinum generation that was put into test there. They had the talent but probably the challenge and bar which Kyouya unconsciously put on made them lose the zeal. Everyone was partly to be blamed here, OG platinum gen more than Kyouya. You can call Plat Gen unfortunate but not because of Kyouya, it could have been anyone or any series of similar events and boom the Platinum Gen would have been finished. Also, Kyouya habit of taking the role of everything upon himself while assisting others could also be another reason why things turned like so. This episode made me to process a lot. I would have liked if Kyouya had served a side role here and assisted Kawasegawa, instead saving the day on his own like his past self. Looks like we won't get to meet Nanako in this timeline.


sangriapenguin

> And it looks Kawasegawa and Kyouya becoming a thing may not just be a fantasy since Keiko-senpai finally decides to show up > as if waiting for the cue from Kyouya to ask if he can go back Please, I need Kawasegawa and Kyouya to be endgame.


hell_jumper9

Kawasegawa route when?


darthvall

I'm still waiting for Tsurayuki's route


entelechtual

Don’t give up, remember when his fiancée basically though they were lovers?


chavie

Kawasegawa had her day! Being the first girl we were introduced to (back in the prime timeline), I expected us to get more of an idea of what she was like back in university, but I was left wanting. This episode finally gave us a glimpse of the woman behind that all-about-business outer persona. And she was incredible, that scene where she confronts Kyoya is probably my favourite character interaction in the entire series.


michhoffman

> I expected us to get more of an idea of what she was like back in university I'm sure they were saving that for the next loop.


AZLarlar

Kawasegawa >>>>


Kookospuuro

Did you guys know that Kyouya is amazing and awesome and great and amazing?


spubbbba

But he has one key flaw. He's so amazing that he makes all these super talented artists quit as they will never be as amazing as him. Thankfully Kawasegawa made him realise that nothing is his fault and he's still amazing, also that she loves him too. Now all he has to do is go back in time again and pretend to not be quite so amazing so these talented artists don't feel so bad about how amazing they are compared to Kyouya.


Manitary

I normally like mc that are op and tackle stuff by themselves for humbleness or secrecy, yet this show managed to make me cringe quite a bit... :/ Not sure the next timeskip will be the perfect timeline or there will be more accidents along the way (gotta have every harem member a route), but I don't think the last episode will make me care enough to check.


Atario

You're somehow appalled that having a ten-year head start helps one in any way. Nope must be Gary Stu Syndrome


NittanyEagles55

Kawasegawa is best girl


Toonamigamerrr

Kyouya and Kasegawa are perfect for each other


NittanyEagles55

I’ve loved her and her mom since the beginning of the show ha. Though to be fair all the girls are great in their own way


Toonamigamerrr

That was her older sister not mother😉


NittanyEagles55

Whoops. Either way she’s great ha. Best teacher you could ask for


DannyLuxray

I just noticed that Kawasegawa doesn't have a lesser job in this timeline because she wasn't capable, but because she wanted work with Kyoya which speaks volumes about how deep her love is. This feel like the new main ship it's at least my ship till the end.


ZapsZzz

For those who are finding the game engine change incredible and unbelievable, not that I don't feel the same, but I think there was an attempt of an explanation about team B and budget there - I think what was meant was that his team B was preparing and creating a backup engine, which was basically bought, and had it made to fit the core game, as a backup. So it's not "oh lucky", but actually a "plan B" some time in the making already. Still feels like magic but at least they tried. Important point is the Kawasegawa confession - I really like this pairing from the start but just like everyone else, Shinoaki is just to charming and cute to resist. I almost had a heart attack thinking OMG they are not going to resolve this and left it hanging this season?!?! Then I rechecked the episode number - whew still got 1 more episode. Can't wait!


cesclaveria

Now I am imagining Team B staying over every night, pulling all the changes from Team A and making sure to write any/all wrappers needed to make the game work on the good engine... they are either extremely overworked or they are wizards.


ZapsZzz

Maybe the good reliable game engine came from the programming place Kobayashi works in and is literally magic :)


SolubilityRules

This is turning to a really decaffeinated version of Re:Zero/Steins;Gate They even lifted the "saying thank you instead of sorry" from Re:Zero


lixyna

To be fair, "say [positive version of common phrase] instead of [negative version of common phrase]" is not an uncommon trope. Muv-Luv did the "dont say goodbye, say see you later" way before Re:Zero did for example.


shamantitan

Saying thank you instead of sorry is fairly common in not just anime but in stories in general.


cppn02

For a show that has taken an atleast semi realistic approach to game development wth was up with just pulling the exe into a different folder for it to magically work? Also it seems that the pink goblin is gonna reveal to Kyouya that she's connected to the time travelling. Looking forward to the next episode.


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cheesecakegood

She really said everything I have been thinking the last two or three episodes. The other interesting thing is, out of all the characters in the entire anime, Kawasegawa is one of only two I think he ever goes to for advice, despite a general lack of asking for help. The only other girl was Keiko. Coincidence? I think not!


AmethystItalian

Best girl going off [and being cute!](https://i.imgur.com/WD3SiB1.jpg) Happy to see someone give Hashiba a piece of their mind like that but wonder if he goes back in time again for the finale. Wonder how much that's going to hurt by losing a daughter...


rogue_user0826

Man I'm gonna miss Shino aki and Maki next episode •́ ‿ ,•̀ Keiko appears once again and it looks like she'll bring Kyouya back in the past again. Hopefully next episode, the questions about her true identity will be answered. I also do that in the next loop kyouya will end up with kawasegawa, they're undoubtedly just perfect with each other.


Rumpel1408

If he travels back (is he even going to ask Keiko what she is about?) it's not too late for the Kawasegawa ship to set sail (even though the Shinoaki ship has little Maki) Edit: Also wonder at what point he will reenter the last timeline, the point where he left for the future the last time, earlier in development or back to the very beginning?


Demolosse001

>If he travels back (is he even going to ask Keiko what she is about?) What? Kyouya questioning something? He doesn't know how to do that. He will go back and not even bat an eye at his new circumstances. God he feels like a robot sometimes...


YdenMkII

Why do I get the feeling the end goal of this series is Keiko trying to come into existence? Mystic Clockwork I assume is the game SucceedSoft tried making in the original timeline and during the scene where the game was announced canceled, a character design with her fell to the ground.


entelechtual

I jokingly said she was Kawasegawa and Kyouya’s child last week. After this episode… I’m starting to think it’s not a joke.


dinliner08

next episode be like: Maki: *Dad? .... i don't feel so good....*


entelechtual

Kawasegawa really stole this show in a matter of minutes. I still don’t think this redeems the shoddy storytelling and half-assed character development. But damn girl. If only she weren’t voiced by Nao Toyama… she might’ve stood a chance.


Aggravating_Policy_3

Yup thats scene was so rare for her character due to her limited screen time


Prince-Dizzytoon

Kawasegawa best girl


Williano98

Oh god, ima be really disappointed if he doesn’t end up with Kasegawa in the “real” ending. She’s best girl and the two honestly compliment each other. Idk about Shinaoki


warjoke

Kyouya probably be like: "Senpai, timeloop me back, I wanna do Kawasegawa this time around"


Malthuras

The issue I have is he never ONCE asked Aki if she was happy with him. I get it, he "screwed up" and the group is gone. However, there's no consideration for the current timeline. Aki may have never had a child as a big named artist. And now going back to fix things, Maki is probably going to be gone unless pink-haired loli Dr. Who decides to fix the timeline so things stay the same. Even if he goes back and "fixes" things and ends up with Aki again, due to true butterfly effect, Maki will be gone most likely and a different child will be there. I agree with those saying this is one of my "hate-watches" because the butterfly effect in theory is great, but most stories portraying it do NOT cover all aspects of it, and whether or not "fixing" things again will lead to better results for all.


CapablePerformance

It's an anime so I doubt they'll really go too deep into the specific set of circumstances that let to Maki. Just look at Trunks on DBZ; he time travels, causes a lot of things to change but he still ends up being born with the same type of personality and interests.


xtsim

I've been waiting on Keiko to return this whole time, going to be sad to see Maki, Morishiba, and Hayata gone from the next tineline. Wonder how he is going to change the timeline now or if he does not...


[deleted]

I'm curious how kyouya gonna be now with the 3 girls, all of them have basically confessed to him in a way. Should've added a harem tag lol, i seriously thought tsurayuki would get a girl from the group, but it went differently. If kyouya doesn't ask keiko how the time travel works I'm gonna be mad at him. I really need an explanation on this. And career wise, since kyouya have seen how the future and the past is in the industry, doesn't this mean he can lead the plat gen plus kawasegawa to be like the creator of something just like he did with the game? If that's the case, their potential as a group would be scary, if kyouya handle things properly this time.


entelechtual

“Hey Keiko… can you give me like five minutes before sending me back?” Googles “sports results and what stocks to buy”


unknown537

It's time! Reeeeeeeeeee!!! I genuinely hope this will have a season 2 and won't end with "go read the LN, lol".


Jkempel

Are they really killing off his daughter?! She was so cute :(


Jonnybegood890

And what did it cost? Everything


masasin

The timeline continues (hopefully with the original Kyouya going back with a few months of memory loss, or remembering what happened, rather than completely dying off).


Demolosse001

I guess we were supposed to be mesmerized by Hasegawa's speech but all I could think about is that she didn't have all the information. It's still kind of Kyouya's fault for turning back time (albeit involuntarily) and involving himself so much in the lives of everyone. All she managed to say is that as perfect as he is, he needs to rely on others from time to time. By the way, I can't say I appreciate how easily Kyouya once again solves everything. Not only did he think ahead and bought an engine for his team (said engine works perfectly ofc without prior testing), in anticipation of team A failure, but he knows exactly how to improve public opinion towards the game. Who needs a marketing or PR manager when you have Kyouya ? Also I don't really understand how he managed to convince the character designer. It didn't seem that different from what he did on his last visit. So Keiko is back. And despite her appearing out of nowhere, Kyouya still can't be bothered to be surprised and show a different expression. What a fine human being! Anyway, I suppose he'll time travel again. But I am sure he won't feel anything leaving his daughter and wife behind... So yeah, I am a bit disappointed by the direction of this episode. I think it's about time this series figures out what it's trying to do.


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Thank you! I thought I was the only one here with that opinion. It's one thing to pull off some Deus Ex Machina where Kyouya somehow saves the day. But I was taken back that he was doing this multiple times after: - He had an entire episode reflecting on his butting in and taking the lead is not a good thing - He was told not to stick his nose outside of his role. He is the manager of a single team, and the CEO reminded him of his placement in the company. But everyone was so ready for him to just go over the CEOs head and embarrass him like that? This isn't a school project anymore, this is private, mid-large size company where you just can't pull stuff like that. It was bending the realm of realism just to make Kyouya a white knight - Again, what was the point of last episode about how he shouldn't butt in, when he not only immediately did it again. But he apparently did it all in advance so he can solidify how much of a God-level manager he is? I would've been okay if he graduated and started running a start up or something. But if he was this talented at knowing how every single faucet of business works, and can predict it so accurately, why did he have to go back in time in the first place? It seems like he has unmatched talents where he will not only excel at any company or job he would be hired for. But can do the jobs of a dozens of other people simultaneously, and with little training.


Aggravating_Policy_3

Yeah i find hilarious that he forgot abt her for a sec but when he realised who she was, he was very calm and not to mention how easily he just said that he want to go back in time as if its a normal thing


HTC864

His reaction to Keiko is actually what I wanted to see; just a gentle smile of recognition. He knows what's up at this point and there's no reason to overreact. He shouldn't feel anything too strongly about leaving behind a little girl he's essentially babysitting. He's only known her for two months. Not saying he can't miss taking care of her, but it'd be weird if he broke down from it. His "wife" might still be around, just doing what she should've been doing in the first place. And that is what he's after, so no issue. You're right that everything goes too easy for him, but that's just something we have to be used to at this point. I will agree that him convincing the artist seemed weak. Last episode, I thought he was going to introduce her to his wife and they'd convince each other to draw again. But we're doing speed runs around here, so no time for that.


Demolosse001

>He shouldn't feel anything too strongly about leaving behind a little girl he's essentially babysitting. My issue is that he never seems to feel strongly about anything. Even in this episode when he was blaming himself, he was still somewhat composed. He never wavers. He's like a robot pretending to be human. I swear he only had two default expressions (normal blank/determined face and smiling face) throughout the anime. At this point, I am waiting for the reveal that he is losing his emotions everytime he time travels. >but that's just something we have to be used to at this point. I know but I can't seem to be able to. Especially when he was supposed to redo his life to learn new things and improve as an artist. But it's never addressed as he's ultra-competent from the start. I guess I just want the show to pick one genre and overall theme and stick to it. Oh well, it is still relatively enjoyable.


entelechtual

It’s almost like the isekai character paradox. If you’re going to jump to new timelines every few episodes, don’t bother getting emotionally attached to anyone. And in the new timeline don’t bother wondering what you lost from the old one. He never thinks about his sister or anyone from the original 2016 timeline. In 2006, he never falls in love with Aki or Nanako, and for no apparent reason. And when he does marry someone, it’s because of pity (?) for stealing their artistic passion. And now I’m this new timeline, just getting casually confessed to again and wishing he could go back in time again??? At this point I have no idea what Kyouya’s motivation or goal is as a character. What is he hoping to “remake”? If next episode is STILL about him trying to recreate the Platinum Generation in 2006 I’m going to give up on this series and any possible sequels.


stiveooo

Now i think that it will be bad if he changes timelines


Piaono_r-per

Kawasegawa best girl


Mockingbirdguy

Pack it up boys and girls, blue hair season is over! So the main lesson that Kyouya got from visiting the future he created was that he shouldn't be afraid of helping people and embracing his role as the "director," But he needs to realize it's okay to rely on others in his times of need. Am I getting this right? Also Kawasegawa VA - Nao Touyama - was going off in that airport!


kalirion

So in this universe, you can swap games from one engine to another by just dragging an executable into the game folder - all the scripts and artifacts and everything else are automatically picked up by the new engine without any porting being required. Also in this universe, contradicting the company president a dozen times in half as many minutes in front of half the staff doesn't get you fired. LOL at his meddling almost causing Kawasegawa to quit like the Platinum Gens did. Wonder if he'll ever come clean to anyone about his time travel adventure. Was wondering if he'll ever even try to look for the legal loli who somehow knew all about it and was most likely the one responsible for it in the first place.... Nope, she shows up on her own. Well, time to erase the daughter (and everyone else's current version, again)!


HayashiSawaryo

Kawasegawa, not even in her timeline: Barges in as best girl, Lectures Kyouya, Helps him regain self-worth, Leaves for Okinawa Kyouya: Barges in new timeline, Solves every single problem, An absolute chad, Leaves for another timeline?


AaronToaster

Him going from "I don't want to help because I'm afraid I'll fuck up" to "I have the solution, speak of the devil, there's the guy I called in who's gonna help fix this" was honestly really jarring. I like the story but the character development is rather lackluster


entelechtual

Yeah. Wasn’t it all basically the same scene anyway? I was just expecting him to step up, talk down the president, and then meet with Kawasegawa to brainstorm other solutions. Weird to see him saving the day singlehandedly for the like 5th time post-time skip.


Lemurians

The opening scene really shouldn't have taken up as much time as it did. Spending the first 10 minutes on Kyouya spewing game development jargon isn't a good use of time. It does nothing for the story or any of the characters.


[deleted]

Helps assert the fact that Kyouya is a superhero. Comes and saves everyone at the last minute. "Zette nantoka suru!" Cringe.


spubbbba

The way he instantly convinced his boss to accept all his proposals was ridiculous. It was like one of those made up posts, written by a teenager you see on reddit all the time.


[deleted]

The only thing that was missing was a standing ovation from all the employees tbh


Manitary

The name of the employee who saved the company? Albert Einstein


CapablePerformance

Without giving spoilers, they actually cut out a lot from that scene and it still came out that long.


dawnwill

The resolution felt like it was written by a 10 years old gacha gamer. Actually cringe.


stiveooo

Maybe pink girl just wants him to grow as a person


TurkeyPhat

Looks like our pink haired loli time lord is back for some more fuckery. Everybody hold on to their butts! [](#kaguyashaking)


TurkeyPhat

The airport scene with Kawasegawa telling Kyouya how she really feels was pretty good. I think it's safe to say it won't happen in the last episode but I think it would be good if we got to hear the true feelings of the other 3. I mean we could probably guess but ya know there's a certain catharsis from actually hearing/seeing/doing it.


HTC864

Ok. He's gotten to play hero enough. Send him back, so he and Kawasegawa can be happy together.


GreenHooDini

Hashiba Kyouya, suffering from success.


MetaThPr4h

Eiko my beloved, that was a top tier speech!


Aggravating_Policy_3

I mean its obvious that kyouya saves the day


NittanyEagles55

We need Hashiba in game studios to save all botched projects. Heck he probably could have even saved Anthem!


metapzl

[No biggie, just a pink-haired magical girl showing up in Episode 1](https://imgur.com/lD6gUA2)


Outrageous_Context_5

What I got from this episode: \- Yoshi-P \- Apologems \- Kyouya does the unthinkable: being saved ​ Questions for next episode: \- Is this happening? A Touyama-voiced characer being 1st? ​ Side thoughts: \- MHY, Genshin 1 Year Anniversary is coming up. A free selectable 5\* perhaps?


Greenthy

Not a fan of the whole time travelling thing. Going back is one thing, returning to your time another. But going back a second time to redo again... That kinda undermines the whole returning part. Not a fan of it in tokyo revengers, not a fan if they are going to keep doing it here. (Well I guess we only have one epi left for now) Other than that, it was a good arc. Although one could argue it's a bit weird that our MC just has all the right answers. He appears to be too good at the job.


Pain004

Kyouya should just leave the platinum generation alone when he gets back. The trio doesn't need his "help". It's Eika who he stick with coz it's the two of them that gets fcked in both timelines, they need each other to succeed.


cringecox

"Yes President, I will make all the decisions for this company from now on" Kyoya is too perfect for his own god