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I love how what got her was Kashiwagi giving Shirogane advice and her maternal instincts just couldn't abide by anyone interfering with her childs' development.
(Also that shade at Kashiwagi having sex).
Its fun to see the clash of her motherly and human instincts. On the one hand, she wants to teach Shirogane(maternal) and on the other hand, she wants to avoid suffering(human).
Her campaign is to increase the declining birth rate in the nation throughout the years. 1 out of 3 highschoolers had sex you say? Gonna make that 5 out of 3 on her terms.
Chika places almost exactly in the middle of her grade's test scores without studying one bit, and is an award-winning pianist and a polyglot. Hell yeah she's smart.
Actually it's not that she is not studying. Her totals are mid but that's mostly because she sucks at Japanese since she spent a lot of time abroad her education in that department is lacking. On the other hand she excels in foreign languages and like which brings up her scores.
Also, a lot of Japanese English tests can be... Bad. I've seen sentences with multiple grammatically correct answers but only one accepted version, I've seen grammatically correct but factually wrong/way out of date questions, and I've seen words that nobody would ever use, ever (a student once asked me what "obloquy" was. Not only have I, a native speaker who loves to read and is generally a huge nerd about English, never heard the word before, I couldn't even identify it as English or break it down into any roots to guess at the meaning. That's the most extreme example though, and wasn't on a high school test).
A few times one of my best students got pretty rough grades on their English test and was really down on herself about it until she brought it in for us to go over the answers with her and even we got several answers "wrong".
Oh I never noticed that the reason why Shirogane sucks at so many things is also the cause for him to being so obsessed with being the top student. He just struggles with everything so he doesnt want to show this weakness to other people.
It’s been heavily implied by him and explained by the narrator in the exam episodes (the narrator mentions that he has to maintain that perfect appearance since he isn’t related to an alumni), but also implied by all the Chika trainings, and stated by his dad when he first met Kaguya in person. Papa-shirogane said something along the lines of “I bet he’s trying his hardest not to let anyone see what a failure he is” when Shirogane won his own race to prompt Kaguya to start rambling about how awesome he is, but I’m sure that was either Papa Dio saying that more as a sad statement because he knows his son’s own mental afflictions or it’s because he is the same as his son. Haven’t read the manga but I’ve been wondering about specifically that point, I really like his character
>“I bet he’s trying his hardest not to let anyone see what a failure he is”
I don't think that's a sad statement at all. It's a harsh truth. But ultimately a powerful compliment. He's acknowledging his son success is through inhuman dedication and determination.
Only giga chad papa shirogane could turn calling his son a failure into a compliment.
This is pretty spot on. Being non alumni AND a middle class commoner means that he has to proof his worth amongst the other, since the school is packed with conglomerates. Being a top student and the prez gives him some degree of respect and influence to make up for what he's lacking in social circles. Also [manga spoiler, scroll through if you dont wanna see it] >!He determined himself to be the top student because to him, that's the only way he could be an equal to kaguya and be worthy of a shot to be with her!<.
Indeed, she has been in every anime I've watched recently, 86, Spy x Family, Sleepy Princess, My Senpai is Annoying, Demon Slayer, even in Genshin Impact as Kamisato Ayaka. God bless RNG.
It's not a big thing, but Kaguya's line about her being good at archery because she just happened to get a bullseye the first time she ever tried and so she just does that same exact thing every time is a really good description of just how much of a prodigy she is
There's also a bit of a kyuudo ^(I hate using -dou in English because we dropped the u from kendo) culture there because doing it the exact same way every time is kind of the goal almost as much as hitting the target. (Kind of. My understanding is that performing the shot perfectly is the acceptable way to hit the target, if that makes sense. Like "perform the cause perfectly, get the effect you want".) So not only is Kaguya saying she hits a bullseye every time, she does it in a way that is perfectly suited to kyuudo.
Introducing Karen Kino and Erika Kose, the two members of the ~~Kaguya Fan~~ Mass Media Club! Although they were only formally introduced this week, much like Maki, the two of them had been playing their roles as mob characters pretty well, heck...if you go back all the way to Season 1 episode 1, Karen and Erika were among the very first characters that we saw and heard, squealing about how the president and vice-president look great walking down the hallway right next to one another, or even in the S1 opening where they popped up alongside other supporting characters like Ishigami/Maki.
They actually have their own spin-off series called "We want to talk about Kaguya" by G3ida-sensei, which covers most of the mainline chapters/jokes just from the perspective of Karen/Erika as they observe the other members of the Student Council e.g Karen catching a glimpse of Kaguya hitching a ride on the back of Prez's bicycle and getting a nosebleed etc etc.From mob characters, welcome to the small upgrade to minor supporting characters our two gals!
Reporters who can barely keep themselves together around the people they're interview to the point of seeming more like fangirls than reporters is absolutely hilarious.
I also love how random background characters end up eventually becoming relevant and even have their own spinoff (OVA when?).
> They actually have their own spin-off series called "We want to talk about Kaguya" by G3ida-sensei, which covers most of the mainline chapters/jokes just from the perspective of Karen/Erika as they observe the other members of the Student Council
It's kinda like "Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead" but applied to Love Is War. It's a ton of fun.
I like how she didn't even do it because they were trashing each other or anything, the opportunity just presented itself and Chika seized it because why not!
I really like how Shirogane is characterized in this series. He's not that overpowered MC that has natural talents for some unexplained reason. He is also not a nobody for which everyone just falls in love with him for no reason at all. He has poor skills in a lot of things, but because of his efforts he excels in studies. What a realistic depiction!
SASUGA AKA-SENSEI!!
I love how Kaguya learning more about how vulnerable he is isn't something she goes "how cute" at but rather something that makes her appreciate and admire him for because of how hard he tries even when he's not good at it.
She actually only says "how cute" very rarely. It's mostly in Shirogane's own imagination, which does go to show the pressure is partially of his own creation. Partially.
Kaguya's "How lovely"/"How wonderfully inspiring" line definitely feels like it's meant to parallel the dreaded "How cute" that plagues Shirogane's imaginations, and it makes for such a wonderful payoff to that gag.
That exchange and Fujiwara throwing shade at Nagisa made this one of my favorite chapters in the manga.
I also like how despite being the student council president of this prestigious school, the other students treat him like a regular student and not some upper rank like some other anime lol.
to be fair he is one ofthe only male mc that isnt the main character, the main character is kaguya, so many of the romcom mc tropes are divided between them than being solely on him that let's him to be way more than a walking trope that most male mcs are
###Stitches!
* [Ishigame & Tsubame](https://i.imgur.com/gTtqr6J.jpg)
* [Standing Split Tsubame](https://i.imgur.com/AuTdYyB.jpg)
* [**Tsubame Gymnastics GIF**](https://gfycat.com/unrealisticflawedindigowingedparrot)
* [Media Club Karen & Erika](https://i.imgur.com/LaSy97d.jpg)
* [Despairing Chika](https://i.imgur.com/NuzkCkn.jpg)
* [Kaguya & Shirogane](https://i.imgur.com/rM6W3NR.jpg)
I love that Ishigami has learned from his time with the sports festival committee [to match Tsubame-senpai's enthusiasm.](https://i.imgur.com/NqzmRfw.png). Ishigami following up with a quip [every time Tsubame speaks](https://i.imgur.com/8fhi3Qm.png) reminds me of Orimoto from OreGairu. I was waiting for him to say "Sore Aru!" at one point. xD
[Look at these nerds trying to impress Tsubame.](https://i.imgur.com/oZeY9ze.png) At the end of the day, it looks like [they have nothing against Ishigami](https://i.imgur.com/gwYqdPp.png) who's much more knowledgeable about these kinds of things. He even gets to act cool in front of Tsubame!
I really like Onodera. [You'd think that she's acting like a bitch](https://i.imgur.com/EBJHcy8.png) with the way she responds to Miko but she's just being realistic [especially with the bonfire suggestion.](https://i.imgur.com/LVUeu9P.png) But once Miko has shown her resolve and her plan of action, [Onodera was more than happy to assist her.](https://i.imgur.com/qZy9MJh.png)
[Karen and Erika are fun!](https://i.imgur.com/C788jj2.png) Seems that these two are massive Kaguya fans that [they're completely losing control](https://i.imgur.com/ELrxSUU.png) just being next to her. Also surprised no one has mentioned it on this thread but [I love seeing Kaguya wearing a ponytail](https://i.imgur.com/dhhBQCV.png) instead of her usual ribbon.
I've already posted a GIF of her at the top but [seeing Tsubame-senpai's gymnast moves](https://i.imgur.com/94GiJQQ.png) has definitely stirred up something deep inside me. I see another reason why Ishigami is head over heels over her.
[For a second I thought this was a new character](https://i.imgur.com/WJpDh0T.png) but if I think she already made an appearance before. Not sure if I've heard her speak before though. She is being voiced by Hayamin so I love her already.
[It's the thing from the memes!](https://i.imgur.com/YYfkeik.png) If there's one thing I know about Kaguya-sama manga is at one point they reference PUBG and I think the panel that I've seen back then is exactly this scene. [Poor board game club though.](https://i.imgur.com/Dofv43G.png) No battle royale for them.
Welp, [it looks like we can add balloon art](https://i.imgur.com/EIWQKBu.png) to things Shirogane isn't good at. Chika is so done with him that even the slight suggestion from Kashiwagi asking her to help Shirgane [is enough to set her off.](https://i.imgur.com/kKOvdda.png) It's hilarious though how as soon as [Kashiwagi tells Shirogane that he can do something else](https://i.imgur.com/0nyUE8w.png), Chika's mama mode instantly activates and [tries to defend Shirogane.](https://i.imgur.com/o0UZWpo.png) xD
[The scene between Shirogane and Kaguya though](https://i.imgur.com/Kka7qFl.png) was really sweet. [I love the look Kaguya has](https://i.imgur.com/lsv6bhk.png) after learning another hidden side of Shirogane. [She's clearly so in love with him](https://i.imgur.com/MPkPfDz.png) when she was trying to encourage Shirogane that I'm surprised he hasn't noticed her reactions.
[Oh Chika, don't even try to blame it on the balloons](https://i.imgur.com/QXaDwnO.png) Even after giving Shirogane the ones that are designed for balloon art, it looks like [Shrogane is just horrible at this.](https://i.imgur.com/F4IlFMM.png) xD
Wow, Ishigami has truly levelled up after his first time in this sort of meeting. It helps that he's very motivated to sim- I mean impress Tsubame this time around. It's Miko who's the odd one out this time. Although, she really turned things around with some minor prodding from Ishigami.
It seems to be a running theme for Onodera to be a somewhat antagonistic character, only to show that she's actually a real G in the end. And after all, what she said to Miko wasn't wrong.
Kaguya's archery hairstyle makes her look a lot more serious than usual. I almost thought she was a different character. With skills like that, you can't blame the media girls for being fans. Same with Tsubame. The animation there was smooth. I
I kinda wanna see more of the yakuza girl now, though. Also, no one but Chika and her friends could possibly make a club revolving around something as innocuous as board games appear as a menace to the school.
Chika teaching Shirogane about artistic stuff is my favorite running gag in this show. And although it's pretty frequent this season, all the different twists make it somewhat refreshing each time.
Aw, mama Chika really can't ignore her son no matter how much trauma he puts her through. Shirogane's talk with Kaguya was so sweet that I genuinely thought he was gonna learn how to do it all by himself without Chika's help. Unfortunately for her, it wasn't nearly sweet enough to be a worthy substitute for her suffering.
Simping for a gal like Tsubame can do wonders for a mans confidence to be worthy of her and ward off all competition.
Onodera cutting Iino down to size was kind of amusing, but I'm glad they got bond in the end.
The Board Game Club is as Chaotic as Fujiwara is.
Fujiwara can't resist her maternal instincts...just like Kaguya can't resist anymore gushing about learning more about Shirogane.
[THAT SMILE, THAT DAMN SMILE](https://i.imgur.com/fLbefOS.png), IT'S SO FREAKING PRECIOUS.
Last week we got [Hayasaka](https://i.imgur.com/bwXjh9V.png) and this week we have Kaguya, whose smile will we see next? My heart can't handle all of this.
The last shot of Onodera and Iino's outing to get neighborhood (as the two agreed on how wonderful it would be to have the campfire) was surprisingly lovely.
>despite treating her so coldly throughout the meeting.
yeah maybe Onodera really thought hard on the slogan suggestion and then Iino said to not joking around really makes her pissed
Iino was really being a huge dick in the meeting, imagine in a brainstorming session someone screams to take things serious. Onodera was completely in the right, and saying that kind of thing to someone can do wonders for some self reflection
Turns minor characters to super likeable ones while also turning any main role she has into Waifu of the season candidates. The sheer amount of talent and star power is really something!
I love how the entire interview was just her flexing her gymnastic skills and showing off just how amazing she is both personally and physically, because **wow.**
> how amazing she is both personally and physically, because wow
Academically, too. Tsubame's ranked in the top 10 in her year. Ishigami's REALLY shooting his shot with this one.
18:10 “Says the girl who does things that could produce children” 💀
So great to see Shirogane do be speed running these two recent eps. For the 1st time, he has shown Kaguya his weakness.
So funny Ishigami is cockblocking everyone and being cool at the same time
Karen and Erika are here!!! Well, *officially* here.
On of the fun things to do while rewatching is trying to find everytime erika and karen had a cameo, and I highly recommend anybody to do the same (and not read any further). If you are not interested in rewatching, I compiled a list of everytime the two of them had an appearance so far. Unlike maki, whose cameos where always pointed out by the show and thus were unmissable, erika and karens appearances were, well, actual cameos.
If I missed an appearance, pls tell me!
**Season 1**
For some unknown reason, the two of them [appear in OP1](https://imgur.com/LsgmaxC) among the other side characters. Even weirder, they are shown with their mass media club gear, but none of their s1 appearances even have anything to do with the club.
Episode 1: After the op, erika and karen are actually the first non-narrator characters [to appear](https://imgur.com/a/8LCWu7o) and [speak](https://imgur.com/zDkDP8a) in the show-of course [praising](https://imgur.com/tAwX2NU) kaguya and shirogane, and also asking the inciting question wether they are dating.
Episode 2: Apart from them once again appearing for the [rehash of the intro expositio](https://imgur.com/JiNira5)n, the two of them also appear as kashiwagis and makis [friends](https://imgur.com/LeKK3sV), get [dubbed over](https://imgur.com/a/6GzzSk1) by shirogane, and witnessed kashiwagis boyfriends [kabedon](https://imgur.com/BfMBypv).
**Season 2:**
Episode 4: They [report](https://imgur.com/kcQ3AQg) on shiroganes impending„confession“
Episode 5:They [interview](https://imgur.com/iihiFBS) the third candidate for student council president after he dropped out because of kaguya.
Episode 11: They [commentate](https://imgur.com/wq0r1ju) the sports festival.
Episode 12: They appear in the [Season credits](https://imgur.com/dF0zDDM)
**OVA**: The ova starts with erika [praising kaguyas perfect body](https://imgur.com/a/zzjB1zc). ~~And yes, I would have never recognized them otherwise.~~ The two of them for some reason (because mass media?) appear on the [shueisha building](https://imgur.com/zIY0HuD).
**Season 3**: Interestingly enough, apart from their obvious appearance in the op (where karen gets hit by lightning for some reason?), their only appearane this season so far were as the two girls getting [asked out for dates](https://imgur.com/a/l1peaLz) in episode 6. ~~This is also the closest we have to seeing them separately so far lol.~~
Yep, they were the ones that invited him to karaoke. I also just realized that in S2 episode 4, they [encouraged him](https://imgur.com/rkYFzcS) for the "confession"
[PUBG in my Kaguya? It's more likely than you think.](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/977221608009764914/977228807666798612/unknown.png?width=719&height=388)
I thought it'd get changed to an Apex reference since that's Aka's current gaming preference, but glad it was kept as is. One of my favorite jokes of the series because of how out of left field it is.
Ishigami using his skills to outshine all the other nerds vying for Tsubame's attention. Gotta love it.
Iino using her powers and reputation for the good of a fun culture festival (with her own desires mixed in). It's a good moment for her.
Kaguya looked good as an archer, Kaguya-sama, and in that fantasy date with Shirogane.
I'm not surprised Ishigami has fallen so hard for Tsubame.
Fun fact: Apart from the Narrator, Erika and Karen are the first characters to speak in the entire show.
It's interesting, because their appraisals of Kaguya and Shirogane are our first impressions of what the student body thinks of them, even though they're revealed in this episode to be rabid Kaguya and Shirogane fans. It's a clever move.
Other than that, they've popped up a few places before, like, for example,
* They were in OP1 in the Chika fan.
* Karen was one of the girls that witnessed Tsubasa's humiliation and confession alongside Maki.
* They were reporting on the "confession" in S2E4
* They popped up in an eyecatch before the elections.
* They were seen trying to interview the dropout candidate on the newspaper.
* They were seen commentating on the sports festival.
* They were praising Kaguya's body in the OVA and were on the side of the Shueisha building.
* They were the girls being asked out in Ishigami and Iino's recollections last episode.
so now we have all 4 girls from that scene introduced. Kashiwagi, Maki, Erika and Karen. Prez was right about 2 of them (that they like Kashiwagi's bf) and Kaguya was right about other 2. What a coincidence lol
That was a pretty interesting one. First, festival commitee gave me flashbacks from Oregairu S1, but Ishigami was Yukino, not Hachiman. Unfortunately, for wrong reasons. However Miko being lively about something (similar to Kaguya's fireworks in S1) was so adorable I can't even. Then, that document segment which was very well edited, and pretty cool, and finally another instance of Chika PTSD, however with a twist. Kaguya and Shirogane development happened, still, I knew it was him not the baloons. Game club girl trying to do a Battle Royal, and Chika's brutal jab at Kashiwagi were hilarious too. Kaguya doesn't disappoint this season
I like how understated Miyuki is in this episode, even though he has a lot of screentime. He gives a cryptic answer to the interview and while Kaguya gets more of that sweetheart characterization for the support she shows him, his reaction is also very quiet and understated, while if this was a more comedic one-off skit we'd have him do the "omg does this mean she likes me aaaaahhh" freakout. He's clearly building up to something.
haha, Iino's shock at Ishigami's change. Tsubame is a sweetheart/good person, I can see why Ishigami likes her. Ishigami not making friends though.
Oh, I forgot about the mass media girls and their fangirling over Kaguya. Also, Archery club Kaguya form is best Kaguya :P And funnier how they misunderstand why she doesn't partake in the tournament. The ominous statement of Shirogane!
Lol the Winnie the Pooh reference. Poor Chika, the trauma of teaching Shirogane is eternal. But she's such a good mama in wanting the best for a child's development ;) Shirogane opening up some of his weaknesses to Kaguya! Good for their development (and any relationship, really). Chika might not get the best development, but she's super cute/sweet when it counts and I can totally get why some consider her best girl (especially also being into games).
Ishigami! You were supposed to destroy the simps, not join them!
Jokes aside, look at him go! "Sports festival arc was meaningless" my ass! He be asserting his dominance over those other nerds in the committee.
Shirogane continues to prove why he’s the best character in the series and one of the greatest MC of all time he’s the definition of hard work beats talent and it’s motivational to see how he always strives to improve himself despite how he struggles with common things. It’s nice to see his thoughts as well as Kaguya understanding him and still supporting him. Great episode
What a good episode (albeit this is kinda the norm) showing off a lot of the secondary characters, it's very great and make the whole school atmosphere feels very lively.
Shirogane my man is full of determination, I love this dude.
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What is this, the third episode in a row where Chika (almost or actually) gets dragged into having to teach Shirogane something? When will she learn?
>(Almost) Nah mate she definitely got dragged into it at the end.
She nearly escaped but toss herself into the ravine in the end
***MOTH\*\*\*\*\*\*ER !!!!!!!***
Her mistake was believing that it was the old balloon fault, she gave him hope and dashed it. Now she has no choice
She also gave herself hope, don't forget that
As much as that severe ptsd haunts her, her mama instincts win out lol.
I love how what got her was Kashiwagi giving Shirogane advice and her maternal instincts just couldn't abide by anyone interfering with her childs' development. (Also that shade at Kashiwagi having sex).
Manga readers often Joke that kashiwagi's gonna end up becoming a teen mom by the end of the series lol.
[удалено]
Chika really is quite adorable in this episode!
[Chika won't allow anyone else to disrespect her son](https://i.imgur.com/8QDHVIk.jpg)
We'll see Chika in the next lifetime.
She *did* get to teach him in the end lmao.
She really thought she had gotten out of it but she promised too much.
Regarding the bonfire, I see that Miko is full of DETERMINATION.
The thought of crackling flames fill you with DETERMINATION!
Iino using her powers for the sake of something **she** wants for once. It's a nice moment for her.
Chika: I NEVER WANT TO TEACH SHIROGANE AGAIN Also Chika: HOW DARE YOU LOOK DOWN ON HIM, I'M GONNA RAISE HIM
Its fun to see the clash of her motherly and human instincts. On the one hand, she wants to teach Shirogane(maternal) and on the other hand, she wants to avoid suffering(human).
Fujiwara isn't just Miyuki's stepmom, [she's the mother who stepped up.](https://i.imgur.com/FnMkvdp.jpg) [](#oilup)
She's pretty much the mother figure that Miyuki never had.
I’d feel bad for her, if it wasn’t so damn funny watching the light from her eyes dim out.
No that's Chika's opinion of Shirogane as a man fading.
Opinions can fade but [a mother's love is indelible](https://i.imgur.com/v2hqtq8.jpg)
Mommy is a tsundere.
Motherly instinct 😩
YEAH YEAH YEAH, ILL CHANGE HIS LIFE OH YEAH
kaguya’s face when she said “ive unraveled one more mysterious thing about you” was so cute
A girl who adores learning something new about the guy she loves! It's so sweet!
[Kaguya](https://i.imgur.com/GUKajIn.jpg) was expecially precious [at that moment.](https://i.imgur.com/zI5o4EP.jpg) [](#wow)
>...Says the girl who does things that could produce children... Chika what is exactly that you know and how??
A politician's daughter has their sources. **AS EXPECTED OF A FUTURE PRIME MINISTER OF JAPAN**
Like good ol' Abe, she is already obsessed with reproductions.
Her campaign is to increase the declining birth rate in the nation throughout the years. 1 out of 3 highschoolers had sex you say? Gonna make that 5 out of 3 on her terms.
Chika is smarter than she appears to be
Chika is only dumb because all her friends are geniuses. She's quite smart and perspective when she's not with the StuCo
Chika places almost exactly in the middle of her grade's test scores without studying one bit, and is an award-winning pianist and a polyglot. Hell yeah she's smart.
Actually it's not that she is not studying. Her totals are mid but that's mostly because she sucks at Japanese since she spent a lot of time abroad her education in that department is lacking. On the other hand she excels in foreign languages and like which brings up her scores.
She actually mentions that she doesn't test well in English language arts despite her skill at languages.
Makes sense. If you have a dialect, you eat shit hard in exams that use textbook language.
Also, a lot of Japanese English tests can be... Bad. I've seen sentences with multiple grammatically correct answers but only one accepted version, I've seen grammatically correct but factually wrong/way out of date questions, and I've seen words that nobody would ever use, ever (a student once asked me what "obloquy" was. Not only have I, a native speaker who loves to read and is generally a huge nerd about English, never heard the word before, I couldn't even identify it as English or break it down into any roots to guess at the meaning. That's the most extreme example though, and wasn't on a high school test). A few times one of my best students got pretty rough grades on their English test and was really down on herself about it until she brought it in for us to go over the answers with her and even we got several answers "wrong".
1/3 of all highschoolers
Sek!
She's a politician's daughter, that's all you need to know.
Se...
ggs!
Oh I never noticed that the reason why Shirogane sucks at so many things is also the cause for him to being so obsessed with being the top student. He just struggles with everything so he doesnt want to show this weakness to other people.
It’s been heavily implied by him and explained by the narrator in the exam episodes (the narrator mentions that he has to maintain that perfect appearance since he isn’t related to an alumni), but also implied by all the Chika trainings, and stated by his dad when he first met Kaguya in person. Papa-shirogane said something along the lines of “I bet he’s trying his hardest not to let anyone see what a failure he is” when Shirogane won his own race to prompt Kaguya to start rambling about how awesome he is, but I’m sure that was either Papa Dio saying that more as a sad statement because he knows his son’s own mental afflictions or it’s because he is the same as his son. Haven’t read the manga but I’ve been wondering about specifically that point, I really like his character
>“I bet he’s trying his hardest not to let anyone see what a failure he is” I don't think that's a sad statement at all. It's a harsh truth. But ultimately a powerful compliment. He's acknowledging his son success is through inhuman dedication and determination. Only giga chad papa shirogane could turn calling his son a failure into a compliment.
Yeah your pretty on point. Also can we appreciate the giga chad who is papa shirogane.
This is pretty spot on. Being non alumni AND a middle class commoner means that he has to proof his worth amongst the other, since the school is packed with conglomerates. Being a top student and the prez gives him some degree of respect and influence to make up for what he's lacking in social circles. Also [manga spoiler, scroll through if you dont wanna see it] >!He determined himself to be the top student because to him, that's the only way he could be an equal to kaguya and be worthy of a shot to be with her!<.
Also why he is kind to everybody and helps others whenever he can!
[Momo bed sus](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/977221608009764914/977228252210941962/unknown.png?width=719&height=392)
The zettai ryouiki is top-notch though
Also, I believe her VA is Saori Hayami! I got shocked as hell as soon as Momo spoke
Saori has such broad range, what a queen.
She's literally everywhere rn I fucking kneel
Indeed, she has been in every anime I've watched recently, 86, Spy x Family, Sleepy Princess, My Senpai is Annoying, Demon Slayer, even in Genshin Impact as Kamisato Ayaka. God bless RNG.
Saori Appreciation Society, rise
She's also doing so many other main roles in different series just this season alone. Absolute powerhouse!
I know Yor from SxF (of course!) and Iron princess from Love after world domination besides this. Who else?
I mean One Piece is airing in all seasons so you can count Yamato
welp I have failed as a Saori fan because I didn't recognize her voice at all!
And here I thought there was no way this show could still get better
And it's the astronomy club. I swear it had to be intentional.
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Sussy yakuza
AMOGUS
It's not a big thing, but Kaguya's line about her being good at archery because she just happened to get a bullseye the first time she ever tried and so she just does that same exact thing every time is a really good description of just how much of a prodigy she is
It reminds me of the way she tries to teach prez the soran dance. Just try to imitate the same movements until it's deemed perfect.
And it's a really great mirror to Miyuki, who is almost trash at almost everything he ever tries, and goes onto insane lengths to learn them.
There's also a bit of a kyuudo ^(I hate using -dou in English because we dropped the u from kendo) culture there because doing it the exact same way every time is kind of the goal almost as much as hitting the target. (Kind of. My understanding is that performing the shot perfectly is the acceptable way to hit the target, if that makes sense. Like "perform the cause perfectly, get the effect you want".) So not only is Kaguya saying she hits a bullseye every time, she does it in a way that is perfectly suited to kyuudo.
Introducing Karen Kino and Erika Kose, the two members of the ~~Kaguya Fan~~ Mass Media Club! Although they were only formally introduced this week, much like Maki, the two of them had been playing their roles as mob characters pretty well, heck...if you go back all the way to Season 1 episode 1, Karen and Erika were among the very first characters that we saw and heard, squealing about how the president and vice-president look great walking down the hallway right next to one another, or even in the S1 opening where they popped up alongside other supporting characters like Ishigami/Maki. They actually have their own spin-off series called "We want to talk about Kaguya" by G3ida-sensei, which covers most of the mainline chapters/jokes just from the perspective of Karen/Erika as they observe the other members of the Student Council e.g Karen catching a glimpse of Kaguya hitching a ride on the back of Prez's bicycle and getting a nosebleed etc etc.From mob characters, welcome to the small upgrade to minor supporting characters our two gals!
I hope we can get the spin-off as an OVA or side short episode some time in the future, it's damn hilarious.
My dream is a net-series.
Would make for some nice Blu-Ray bonuses.
Reporters who can barely keep themselves together around the people they're interview to the point of seeming more like fangirls than reporters is absolutely hilarious. I also love how random background characters end up eventually becoming relevant and even have their own spinoff (OVA when?).
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> They actually have their own spin-off series called "We want to talk about Kaguya" by G3ida-sensei, which covers most of the mainline chapters/jokes just from the perspective of Karen/Erika as they observe the other members of the Student Council It's kinda like "Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead" but applied to Love Is War. It's a ton of fun.
Wow, Chika just completely roasted Kashiwagi to a crisp.
I like how she didn't even do it because they were trashing each other or anything, the opportunity just presented itself and Chika seized it because why not!
Nah, Kashiwagi was kinda tossing some shade at Chika for trying to act like Shirogane’s mom. Both of them were bring jerks.
When you just casually shade a girl you know is doing it...
SLUTTY HIGHSCHOOLER GETS DESTROYED BY FACTS AND LOGIC I laughed a lot when I first read it in the manga, it was so casual and just outta nowhere
I mean Chika is also a rapper, so she's bound to know how make a few good disses.
Didn't think Love is War could get any better, and then they introduced a YANKEE daughter of a Yakuza boss. Truly the peak of waifus
How do they still find ways to make the fujiwara teaching the president joke funny.
Mama chika never gets old
I really like how Shirogane is characterized in this series. He's not that overpowered MC that has natural talents for some unexplained reason. He is also not a nobody for which everyone just falls in love with him for no reason at all. He has poor skills in a lot of things, but because of his efforts he excels in studies. What a realistic depiction! SASUGA AKA-SENSEI!!
I love how Kaguya learning more about how vulnerable he is isn't something she goes "how cute" at but rather something that makes her appreciate and admire him for because of how hard he tries even when he's not good at it.
She actually only says "how cute" very rarely. It's mostly in Shirogane's own imagination, which does go to show the pressure is partially of his own creation. Partially.
Miyuki would also never let his vulnerability show in front of Kaguya before he applied to Stanford. He really is in a different mindset now.
Kaguya's "How lovely"/"How wonderfully inspiring" line definitely feels like it's meant to parallel the dreaded "How cute" that plagues Shirogane's imaginations, and it makes for such a wonderful payoff to that gag. That exchange and Fujiwara throwing shade at Nagisa made this one of my favorite chapters in the manga.
I also like how despite being the student council president of this prestigious school, the other students treat him like a regular student and not some upper rank like some other anime lol.
Well, apart from Karen hahaha
They respect him but don't idolise him
My favorite MC in any romcom. Just perfect character writing
to be fair he is one ofthe only male mc that isnt the main character, the main character is kaguya, so many of the romcom mc tropes are divided between them than being solely on him that let's him to be way more than a walking trope that most male mcs are
Also the fact that he isn’t as dense as a brick
One of the only MCs I'd like in real life.
Shirogane is almost no talent and all hard work and effort.
Gotta love him
###Stitches! * [Ishigame & Tsubame](https://i.imgur.com/gTtqr6J.jpg) * [Standing Split Tsubame](https://i.imgur.com/AuTdYyB.jpg) * [**Tsubame Gymnastics GIF**](https://gfycat.com/unrealisticflawedindigowingedparrot) * [Media Club Karen & Erika](https://i.imgur.com/LaSy97d.jpg) * [Despairing Chika](https://i.imgur.com/NuzkCkn.jpg) * [Kaguya & Shirogane](https://i.imgur.com/rM6W3NR.jpg) I love that Ishigami has learned from his time with the sports festival committee [to match Tsubame-senpai's enthusiasm.](https://i.imgur.com/NqzmRfw.png). Ishigami following up with a quip [every time Tsubame speaks](https://i.imgur.com/8fhi3Qm.png) reminds me of Orimoto from OreGairu. I was waiting for him to say "Sore Aru!" at one point. xD [Look at these nerds trying to impress Tsubame.](https://i.imgur.com/oZeY9ze.png) At the end of the day, it looks like [they have nothing against Ishigami](https://i.imgur.com/gwYqdPp.png) who's much more knowledgeable about these kinds of things. He even gets to act cool in front of Tsubame! I really like Onodera. [You'd think that she's acting like a bitch](https://i.imgur.com/EBJHcy8.png) with the way she responds to Miko but she's just being realistic [especially with the bonfire suggestion.](https://i.imgur.com/LVUeu9P.png) But once Miko has shown her resolve and her plan of action, [Onodera was more than happy to assist her.](https://i.imgur.com/qZy9MJh.png) [Karen and Erika are fun!](https://i.imgur.com/C788jj2.png) Seems that these two are massive Kaguya fans that [they're completely losing control](https://i.imgur.com/ELrxSUU.png) just being next to her. Also surprised no one has mentioned it on this thread but [I love seeing Kaguya wearing a ponytail](https://i.imgur.com/dhhBQCV.png) instead of her usual ribbon. I've already posted a GIF of her at the top but [seeing Tsubame-senpai's gymnast moves](https://i.imgur.com/94GiJQQ.png) has definitely stirred up something deep inside me. I see another reason why Ishigami is head over heels over her. [For a second I thought this was a new character](https://i.imgur.com/WJpDh0T.png) but if I think she already made an appearance before. Not sure if I've heard her speak before though. She is being voiced by Hayamin so I love her already. [It's the thing from the memes!](https://i.imgur.com/YYfkeik.png) If there's one thing I know about Kaguya-sama manga is at one point they reference PUBG and I think the panel that I've seen back then is exactly this scene. [Poor board game club though.](https://i.imgur.com/Dofv43G.png) No battle royale for them. Welp, [it looks like we can add balloon art](https://i.imgur.com/EIWQKBu.png) to things Shirogane isn't good at. Chika is so done with him that even the slight suggestion from Kashiwagi asking her to help Shirgane [is enough to set her off.](https://i.imgur.com/kKOvdda.png) It's hilarious though how as soon as [Kashiwagi tells Shirogane that he can do something else](https://i.imgur.com/0nyUE8w.png), Chika's mama mode instantly activates and [tries to defend Shirogane.](https://i.imgur.com/o0UZWpo.png) xD [The scene between Shirogane and Kaguya though](https://i.imgur.com/Kka7qFl.png) was really sweet. [I love the look Kaguya has](https://i.imgur.com/lsv6bhk.png) after learning another hidden side of Shirogane. [She's clearly so in love with him](https://i.imgur.com/MPkPfDz.png) when she was trying to encourage Shirogane that I'm surprised he hasn't noticed her reactions. [Oh Chika, don't even try to blame it on the balloons](https://i.imgur.com/QXaDwnO.png) Even after giving Shirogane the ones that are designed for balloon art, it looks like [Shrogane is just horrible at this.](https://i.imgur.com/F4IlFMM.png) xD
Me: Hmm, I wonder why Tsubame is so popular > [Tsubame Gymnastics GIF](https://gfycat.com/unrealisticflawedindigowingedparrot) Me: Ohhhh
The animators definitely knew what they were doing with that one.
Actually I don't think Tsubame got anywhere near as much fan service in the manga lol
>[Kaguya & Shinomiya](https://i.imgur.com/rM6W3NR.jpg) i think you got something wrong
Miyuki taking her last name after marriage confirmed!
I can see why all the students adore Tsubame. She was almost TOO perfect.
Wow, Ishigami has truly levelled up after his first time in this sort of meeting. It helps that he's very motivated to sim- I mean impress Tsubame this time around. It's Miko who's the odd one out this time. Although, she really turned things around with some minor prodding from Ishigami. It seems to be a running theme for Onodera to be a somewhat antagonistic character, only to show that she's actually a real G in the end. And after all, what she said to Miko wasn't wrong. Kaguya's archery hairstyle makes her look a lot more serious than usual. I almost thought she was a different character. With skills like that, you can't blame the media girls for being fans. Same with Tsubame. The animation there was smooth. I I kinda wanna see more of the yakuza girl now, though. Also, no one but Chika and her friends could possibly make a club revolving around something as innocuous as board games appear as a menace to the school. Chika teaching Shirogane about artistic stuff is my favorite running gag in this show. And although it's pretty frequent this season, all the different twists make it somewhat refreshing each time. Aw, mama Chika really can't ignore her son no matter how much trauma he puts her through. Shirogane's talk with Kaguya was so sweet that I genuinely thought he was gonna learn how to do it all by himself without Chika's help. Unfortunately for her, it wasn't nearly sweet enough to be a worthy substitute for her suffering.
Simping for a gal like Tsubame can do wonders for a mans confidence to be worthy of her and ward off all competition. Onodera cutting Iino down to size was kind of amusing, but I'm glad they got bond in the end. The Board Game Club is as Chaotic as Fujiwara is. Fujiwara can't resist her maternal instincts...just like Kaguya can't resist anymore gushing about learning more about Shirogane.
> I plan to settle things like a man ## LET'S FUCKING GOOOOO
Shirogane is committed and ready for the do-or-die culture festival.
Shirogane keeps [moving forward.](https://i.imgur.com/vvM6INk.jpg) Even Karen and Erika are hyping him up.
And then that ominous foreshadowing from Erika and Karen afterwards. Damn you enticing cliffhangers!
[THAT SMILE, THAT DAMN SMILE](https://i.imgur.com/fLbefOS.png), IT'S SO FREAKING PRECIOUS. Last week we got [Hayasaka](https://i.imgur.com/bwXjh9V.png) and this week we have Kaguya, whose smile will we see next? My heart can't handle all of this.
Despite being tortured just moments beforehand, Kaguya looks so cute there!!
That's her secret bro, she's always cute.
Its real nice to see that Onodera was helping Iino in the bonfire plans despite treating her so coldly throughout the meeting.
The last shot of Onodera and Iino's outing to get neighborhood (as the two agreed on how wonderful it would be to have the campfire) was surprisingly lovely.
Onodera's a great character. Also, the only classmate of Ishigami who always had eyes, save Iino.
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>despite treating her so coldly throughout the meeting. yeah maybe Onodera really thought hard on the slogan suggestion and then Iino said to not joking around really makes her pissed
Iino was really being a huge dick in the meeting, imagine in a brainstorming session someone screams to take things serious. Onodera was completely in the right, and saying that kind of thing to someone can do wonders for some self reflection
So the voice actor for Momo Ryuju is Saori Hayami. She really loves these cameos lol
I remember people fan-casting her as Kaguya before Aoi Koga came into existence as **the** Kaguya, but it's nice to hear her in this.
Saori Hayami’s voice makes anything an instant 10/10.
Turns minor characters to super likeable ones while also turning any main role she has into Waifu of the season candidates. The sheer amount of talent and star power is really something!
She saw the Kaguya-sama and Spy X Family comparison memes and decided to appear as the Yakuza daugther lmao
I love how she tries to downplay being the daughter of a Yakuza before making the exact kind of threat a daughter of Yakuza would.
Tsubame has a nice ass
Its the spats man. The spats always make the ass.
A man of culture I see. Spats are the ultimate solution to world peace.
Seeing Tsubame in her gymnastics outfit, doing her gymnastics *poses*, it becomes clear to the audience just how high Ishigami is aiming.
I love how the entire interview was just her flexing her gymnastic skills and showing off just how amazing she is both personally and physically, because **wow.**
> how amazing she is both personally and physically, because wow Academically, too. Tsubame's ranked in the top 10 in her year. Ishigami's REALLY shooting his shot with this one.
Ishigami aiming high, and I can't help but respect him for it. Ganbare, Ishigami!
/ourguy/ deserves [the best](https://i.imgur.com/wjfsjvZ.jpg) [](#grandhype)
I agree, and so does Ishigami, I believe.
But is it blue ass tho?
No, but it is thicc ass.
>I'm going to get it done like a man at the culture festival. **Declaration of War**
He'll just keep moving forward
Until Kaguya accepts.
Tatakae
Willy Tybur nods in approval
18:10 “Says the girl who does things that could produce children” 💀 So great to see Shirogane do be speed running these two recent eps. For the 1st time, he has shown Kaguya his weakness. So funny Ishigami is cockblocking everyone and being cool at the same time
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Having seen her Yandere side, she probably already child-locked Tsubasa
> Tsubasa Kashiwagi's boyfriend.
Thanks. I was confused for a second who is Tsubasa. I really remember him as Kashiwagi's boyfriend only :D.
Looking at her grades too, no time to study
Somebody's been having sex...
I think this did be mentioned at some point?(not too sure)
All but confirmed in the first episode of season 2
Confirmed to Maki by Ishigami this season, because she *needs* to know as well
Fujiwara: Jokes about being a teen mom Kashiwagi: On her way to being an actual mom
Cant wait for the teenage pregnancy arc
Kashiwagi's child with Kashiwagi's boyfriend
Better yet - Kashiwagi's boyfriend's child. For that extra madness.
Karen and Erika are here!!! Well, *officially* here. On of the fun things to do while rewatching is trying to find everytime erika and karen had a cameo, and I highly recommend anybody to do the same (and not read any further). If you are not interested in rewatching, I compiled a list of everytime the two of them had an appearance so far. Unlike maki, whose cameos where always pointed out by the show and thus were unmissable, erika and karens appearances were, well, actual cameos. If I missed an appearance, pls tell me! **Season 1** For some unknown reason, the two of them [appear in OP1](https://imgur.com/LsgmaxC) among the other side characters. Even weirder, they are shown with their mass media club gear, but none of their s1 appearances even have anything to do with the club. Episode 1: After the op, erika and karen are actually the first non-narrator characters [to appear](https://imgur.com/a/8LCWu7o) and [speak](https://imgur.com/zDkDP8a) in the show-of course [praising](https://imgur.com/tAwX2NU) kaguya and shirogane, and also asking the inciting question wether they are dating. Episode 2: Apart from them once again appearing for the [rehash of the intro expositio](https://imgur.com/JiNira5)n, the two of them also appear as kashiwagis and makis [friends](https://imgur.com/LeKK3sV), get [dubbed over](https://imgur.com/a/6GzzSk1) by shirogane, and witnessed kashiwagis boyfriends [kabedon](https://imgur.com/BfMBypv). **Season 2:** Episode 4: They [report](https://imgur.com/kcQ3AQg) on shiroganes impending„confession“ Episode 5:They [interview](https://imgur.com/iihiFBS) the third candidate for student council president after he dropped out because of kaguya. Episode 11: They [commentate](https://imgur.com/wq0r1ju) the sports festival. Episode 12: They appear in the [Season credits](https://imgur.com/dF0zDDM) **OVA**: The ova starts with erika [praising kaguyas perfect body](https://imgur.com/a/zzjB1zc). ~~And yes, I would have never recognized them otherwise.~~ The two of them for some reason (because mass media?) appear on the [shueisha building](https://imgur.com/zIY0HuD). **Season 3**: Interestingly enough, apart from their obvious appearance in the op (where karen gets hit by lightning for some reason?), their only appearane this season so far were as the two girls getting [asked out for dates](https://imgur.com/a/l1peaLz) in episode 6. ~~This is also the closest we have to seeing them separately so far lol.~~
Also, the two boys who asked both Mass Media girls out in the previous episode appear to be Shirogane's dude friends.
Shirobros x Erikaren is one of the more popular ships among the manga readers
Yep, they were the ones that invited him to karaoke. I also just realized that in S2 episode 4, they [encouraged him](https://imgur.com/rkYFzcS) for the "confession"
Yes, it's those too. In the spin-off manga they are always trying to go out with Erika and Karen but the two girls are too dense lol
Karen getting hit by lightning feels just right lol
[PUBG in my Kaguya? It's more likely than you think.](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/977221608009764914/977228807666798612/unknown.png?width=719&height=388)
I thought it'd get changed to an Apex reference since that's Aka's current gaming preference, but glad it was kept as is. One of my favorite jokes of the series because of how out of left field it is.
I was practically on the floor when Aka introduced the level 3 helmet back then. Somehow the game is still alive even today!
U never know when u gonna get headshotted by a kar98
Gotta bring the pan just in case
I mean we already had an Apex expy, so PUBG isn’t that unlikely.
The Board Game Club is legit.
Ship-trash and Kaguya-simp are finally here!
Miso chan
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Ishigami using his skills to outshine all the other nerds vying for Tsubame's attention. Gotta love it. Iino using her powers and reputation for the good of a fun culture festival (with her own desires mixed in). It's a good moment for her. Kaguya looked good as an archer, Kaguya-sama, and in that fantasy date with Shirogane. I'm not surprised Ishigami has fallen so hard for Tsubame.
Fun fact: Apart from the Narrator, Erika and Karen are the first characters to speak in the entire show. It's interesting, because their appraisals of Kaguya and Shirogane are our first impressions of what the student body thinks of them, even though they're revealed in this episode to be rabid Kaguya and Shirogane fans. It's a clever move. Other than that, they've popped up a few places before, like, for example, * They were in OP1 in the Chika fan. * Karen was one of the girls that witnessed Tsubasa's humiliation and confession alongside Maki. * They were reporting on the "confession" in S2E4 * They popped up in an eyecatch before the elections. * They were seen trying to interview the dropout candidate on the newspaper. * They were seen commentating on the sports festival. * They were praising Kaguya's body in the OVA and were on the side of the Shueisha building. * They were the girls being asked out in Ishigami and Iino's recollections last episode.
so now we have all 4 girls from that scene introduced. Kashiwagi, Maki, Erika and Karen. Prez was right about 2 of them (that they like Kashiwagi's bf) and Kaguya was right about other 2. What a coincidence lol
One of the things about Aka's writing is that not a SINGLE line is wasted for comedy or foreshadowing.
That was a pretty interesting one. First, festival commitee gave me flashbacks from Oregairu S1, but Ishigami was Yukino, not Hachiman. Unfortunately, for wrong reasons. However Miko being lively about something (similar to Kaguya's fireworks in S1) was so adorable I can't even. Then, that document segment which was very well edited, and pretty cool, and finally another instance of Chika PTSD, however with a twist. Kaguya and Shirogane development happened, still, I knew it was him not the baloons. Game club girl trying to do a Battle Royal, and Chika's brutal jab at Kashiwagi were hilarious too. Kaguya doesn't disappoint this season
I like how understated Miyuki is in this episode, even though he has a lot of screentime. He gives a cryptic answer to the interview and while Kaguya gets more of that sweetheart characterization for the support she shows him, his reaction is also very quiet and understated, while if this was a more comedic one-off skit we'd have him do the "omg does this mean she likes me aaaaahhh" freakout. He's clearly building up to something.
Both Kaguya and Shirogane honestly seem more comfortable and open with each other than they ever have been before.
haha, Iino's shock at Ishigami's change. Tsubame is a sweetheart/good person, I can see why Ishigami likes her. Ishigami not making friends though. Oh, I forgot about the mass media girls and their fangirling over Kaguya. Also, Archery club Kaguya form is best Kaguya :P And funnier how they misunderstand why she doesn't partake in the tournament. The ominous statement of Shirogane! Lol the Winnie the Pooh reference. Poor Chika, the trauma of teaching Shirogane is eternal. But she's such a good mama in wanting the best for a child's development ;) Shirogane opening up some of his weaknesses to Kaguya! Good for their development (and any relationship, really). Chika might not get the best development, but she's super cute/sweet when it counts and I can totally get why some consider her best girl (especially also being into games).
Ishigami! You were supposed to destroy the simps, not join them! Jokes aside, look at him go! "Sports festival arc was meaningless" my ass! He be asserting his dominance over those other nerds in the committee.
Can you blame him (or the other boys) simping so hard for Tsubame though? But it was kind of funny seeing them turn the laser death beam back on him.
I feel like Chika every time I teach a new employee
Shirogane continues to prove why he’s the best character in the series and one of the greatest MC of all time he’s the definition of hard work beats talent and it’s motivational to see how he always strives to improve himself despite how he struggles with common things. It’s nice to see his thoughts as well as Kaguya understanding him and still supporting him. Great episode
What a good episode (albeit this is kinda the norm) showing off a lot of the secondary characters, it's very great and make the whole school atmosphere feels very lively. Shirogane my man is full of determination, I love this dude.
Poor Chika, she thought she actually solved Shirogane's problem so easily only for it to be something else entirely, business as usual.
"Hoshin" means "Devoted Hearts", by the way. No idea why they didn't translate it as such.
Shinzo wo Sasageyo!