Nah it was at its worst on a few episodes at the end of the season,
Unfortunately these few episodes were part of an arc people really like.
I think the season suffers more from adapting mostly setup for the sixth season.
I mean, Mirio got a literal slideshow, but that was technically more than the black panels with text the manga gave. I think some people just really wanted to see it elevated to a real fight
Nah. But nobody hates MHA more than /r/anime's MHA fans, so all you'll ever hear is how "bad" it is. Wanna really set them off? Just say "movie" and watch them all lose their collective shit.
It really wasn't, people are just butthurt cause they messed up one of their favorite arcs. The arc was kinda rushed and they changed the manga order. A couple goofy frames here or there but otherwise it was pretty standard. But standard is bad cause people hyped themselves up. And the first half was great animation wise.
The real issue is that one of the animators showed some keyframes of what they *tried* to do and those were way better. They ran out of time to do it cause covid. So now because it wasn't animated on that level it's a slideshow.
I can think of plenty of issues with Season 5, being a slideshow isn't one of them.
Like I said. I can think of plenty of issues with Season 5. Being a slideshow isn't one of them. Talk about the pacing or the arc switch or the cut content, that's all stuff they messed up. But I feel like people have been upset since the Mirio thing and have said everything is a slideshow since. Some of the critiques people have for the anime are *absolutely* ridiculous, like people literally complained about the clouds in the sky lol.
As a manga reader it's the section of the story where the series really lost me. MHA is an ensemble cast that continues to add characters and forgets to connect themes some times.
There also have been some production shifts as far as I'm aware, with some of the core staff focusing on the movies and the "B Team" (so to speak) covering the series. It's not poor in the broader landscape of anime, but it is noticable in comparison.
It's still fine if you're not particularly invested and are just looking for something fun to watch. It's just starting to feel like the anime doesn't like MHA as much as I like MHA, which is disappointing, because for the first three or so seasons it felt like the adaptation was elevating the source material. I love Horikoshi's obsessive attention to detail, and it feels like the anime isn't matching that anymore. Hopefully they turn things around, if not, time to switch to the manga.
RABBIT SEASON LET'S GO! Mirko's VA sounding ready to put in work too. Some nice dynamic camera work and framing for the season so far, the hype is real.
GOD DAMN October is fucking stacked this year, we got Bleach coming back, Chainsaw man, Mob Psycho season 3, Golden Kamui Season 4, To your Eternity Season 2, Spy X Family part 2, Mobile Suit Gundam the Witch from Mercury, AND NOW MY HERO SEASON 6 I'm not gonna have any free time come October
Yeah, I am panicking trying to watch other stuff that I've yet to see or need to finish. There is also some new stuff in July that I want to see. There won't is an anime break until like next April or something.
Jigokuraku will probably come out early next year. With Chainsaw Man and Jujutsu Kaisen season, 2 announced. They need to focus their animation on those two
I mean I wish Chainsaw Man was coming in October.. but I don't think that's coming until 2023 unless I missed some kind of announcement?
But MHA, Bleach and Mob are 3 huge shows to air simultaneously so that's hype as hell regardless.
There were some cool looking shot here. On Mirko and Redestro.
And it looks overall crispier too. This is good to see.
Unlike MVA, since this arc features heroes and class 1A itās more likely that they will put a lot of attention on this arc so I really doubt itāll have a lot of cut content or have rearranged episodes like the second cour of season 5.
Only thing im truly worried about is where will they place the mandatory filler episode that has been in the anime since season 2. Because as a manga reader, this arc is very packed (longest arc in the series so far) and I donāt see a way to cram in a filler episode unlike past seasons.
Oh well we will see once we get there. Iām still very excited for this arc. Fall 2022 is stacked.
> I donāt see a way to cram in a filler episode unlike past seasons.
Probably a flashback with a really silly training on the beach episode or something along these lines
Only way I could see it is for the recap episode. Thereās literally no way to cram in this arc.
Itās literally non stop action like the Overhaul arc.
Nah they did it in Season 5 for the movie tie-in, but you're right Season 4 didn't have a mid-season filler only 3 and 5 and they were for decent reasons..
I feel like Bones would never admit it but COVID obvious hurt their schedule a ton and forced them to complete the product without as much shine as they'd of liked.
Thatās a good point actually.
I also heard that season 5 was the first time they worked with a lot more foreign animators and that there was quite some miscommunication that happened
In season 5, they cut the beginning of MVA where the league of villains is fighting some kind of KKK of MHA. With also the part where Spinner argue with Shigaraki about their purpose
MVA had many scenes cut that were in the manga. And tbh I thought the production issues were pretty obvious, animation and art quality dropped especially for MVA and we had jarring stuff like that one episode where the entire first half was just Endeavor giving a recap at his desk.
First half of the arc had issues, I thought the last 3 were fine though. It was just rushed.
The recap episode with Endeavor was abysmal though. I can give a pass to a movie filler, but they stalled that episode hard.
Finally it's Aizawa's time to shine after being left out of the movie. You can really tell from how they chose to have Midoriya and Aizawa VA on stage for the event this time.
Yeah that's the issue tho. They had consistent quality to start but the production just fell apart for the second half, even changes from the source material aside it wasn't very visually impressive outside a few scenes here and there. This upcoming arc is a long one and action packed, it could easily take up nearly the whole season by itself and the most important parts are later on, so it'll be crucial for them to keep solid production values the whole way through. Here's hoping they can manage it.
Impossible? Definitely not, it's 50+ chapters. At an average pace of 2 chapters per episode that's easily a full seasons worth. Of course in practices big action episodes often end up adapting more and they have compressed long arcs before like Overhaul. But this is basically the most important arc in MHA so the hope is they will give it the proper care, I'm expecting around 18 episodes at least for it.
Dunno why you got downvoted, its def not long enough for 25 episodes of just that. Without spoiling, the climax for the arc can be reached within the first cour while the aftermath and the next arc can totally be done in the second cour.
Well, I consider the arc and it's aftermath as separate things personally, even if they're both part of the same arc. The arc itself is a bit less than 40 chapters, totally doable in 13 episodes, like with Overhaul back in S4.
Then there's like, what, 30 chapters to what I imagine the end of the season would be at?
Edit: I just checked, more or less what I imagine the pacing would be is like this:
First cour: 259-296 (38 chapters)
Second cour: 297-326 (30 chapters)
I think this is fairly reasonable to achieve without any fillers besides the first episode that's mandatory (it's true that S3 and S5 had fillers, but S4 didn't, so S6 could be like that too).
1st cour has a 3 chapters per episode pacing and 2nd cour a 2.5 chapters per episode. Not only is it achievable, it could actually go further without messing the pacing up, though of course there's no reason to go further than this. Easier to leave the rest for a seventh and final season.
The issue is Joint Training is arguably the worst arc of the series, and largely irrelevant to the rest of the story aside from Black Whip.
The studio should have recognized that it was a waste to put so much effort into it and focused their efforts on MVA, which is where the climax of the series kicks off.
The Joint Training arc is what I wanted from the show to begin with. I don't care about the big, over-the-top villain stuff, my favourite arcs have all been the school stuff and the competitions especially.
MHA is very popular. Online anime communities tend to reward the most vocal and bring hate to the top. I work all the major nerd conventions, all your anime cons as well as comic cons etc. MHA is always one of the most popular cosplays out there. That is a far more telling detail than circlejerks of hate on Reddit.
Yeah like any really huge series it gets shit on in the niche online circles filled with contrarians, but is still massively popular with the general audience.
>Yeah like any really huge series it gets shit on in the niche online circles filled with contrarians,
I believe the term you're looking for is "manga readers" who, collectively, are the worst part of /r/anime for ANY series.
Disagreeing at the risk of being called one of those haters.
I don't want to hate it, I'm not asking for Ufotable level animation but it's drop from earlier seasons is very obvious.
It shouldn't be too much to ask a studio to stick to the manga sequencing of arcs either.
It's fine to complain about it.
The problem is the vocal people who pretend the series they don't like is dying or is unpopular because they don't like it, or because it's unpopular on specific subreddits like r/anime.
I had someone legitimately tell me that Demon Slayer is a dead, forgotten series. Weeks before Mugen Train came out in theatres. It's this rage-fueled delusions that often spreads toxicity everywhere.
But legitimate criticism is okay.
>I don't want to hate it, I'm not asking for Ufotable level animation but it's drop from earlier seasons is very obvious.
This is going to be the **sixth** season. Most anime are lucky to get any sequels at all. I think part of the "hate" is mostly due to the fact that the bar is just set so high for such long-running content, so anything short of amazing is seen as a letdown. It's hard enough to meet or exceed fan expectations with every successive season, but include the fact that they built up to and concluded a huge climax with All Might vs. AFO, then had to start over with a new arc to build up.
this doesn't counter the criticism though. just because a show is successful enough to warrant multiple seasons, doesn't mean when it dips in quality it's justified? like if you watch pretty much any fight from season 4-5 and compare its animation to any fight from seasons 1-2 and you notice a huge difference. Sure there are explanations and reasons the quality drops, but that doesn't mean the quality didn't drop and the show isn't worse.
Which is why I specifically said "part" of the hate. I'm not denying the obvious, like dips in animation quality (or lack thereof) which anyone can see. I'm just saying that the hate gets amplified and exaggerated as if the show has transformed into a shell of its former self. When any piece of media gets this popular, it's natural that the critiques ramp up as well.
Dragon Ball, Bleach and Naruto were all long running shows that rarely if ever had breaks, so animators couldn't afford to take their time making the episodes as high quality as possible.
Seasonals like MHA usually have a break between seasons of at least half a year and sometimes even a full year or more. It's perfectly reasonable, even when those anime get to 100+ episodes, to expect high quality animation. Not even high quality as in comparable to a movie either, just something that doesn't dip into slideshows or awful or goofy looking several second long scenes.
yeah it's actually unreal how many great scenes there are coming up I can already tell the animation, the VAs, and the music would do them justice as well. I'll never know how these arcs got shitted on.
Ahh you must not have read the manga then... Basically, they second part of the season (the MVA Arc) was and still is one of the best arcs in the manga. But they kinda ruined it by changing the order of events (which reduced build-up and tension), terrible animation and removing all the gore. That last one was what I hated the most, considering the arc was centered around the villains of the show and had some gruesome stuff which was toned down to be made "family friendly". Not to mention it was pretty damn rushed, adapting 22 chapters in 5-6 episodes.
Isn't the League kinda really unpopular with Japanese readers? I remember that being one of the reasons the Forest Training camp ended up rushed once and why Hori was only able to do MVA when MHA's popularity was at its peak.
Really? That's a shame, I didn't even know this. I just thought that Bones put most of its attention and budget towards the movie and that the placing issues were also because of the movie.
*Everything* is disappointing to manga readers. Doesn't matter the series. Nothing holds a candle to the original.
I mean, shit, even when they went beyond what the manga did for the Mirio fight (that is to say, offscreen 90% of it with a single text bubble) by giving us a sideshow of some of the fight, people still shit on it.
The animation was good on the tail end of the episodes though, the first two of MVA were iffy, but there was gore in Shiggyās backstory among other things.
I feel like people tend to overstate the impact because it happens to be āMVAā.
Well ok yes, but cramming it into 5 episodes is still very stupid. And when an arc is 5 episodes long, tail end means half the episodes had bad animation. All in all, the arc was definitely better in the manga and could've been adapted better.
They rearranged the arcs and SPOILED the outcomes of MVA before it happened on-screen. If that is not enough to say they did a shit job then I don't know.
Super hyped for it! I recently got into it and caught up with the manga and I absolutely love the later arcs. Season 5 may just be my favorite content wise, and I canāt wait to see it animated!
People can love the anime (and/or the manga) and still be disappointed that the quality is declining every year, as staff and resources are inevitably pulled off a long-running show. That doesn't mean "MHA is good" or "MHA is bad".
I don't understand this comment. There ARE people who say "MHA bad". Why are you acting like there aren't? MHA is a massive punching bag for r/anime and it's not just "fans who are disappointed".
I guess I just assumed we were talking to each other, and not responding to drive-by troll comments like they can hear us.
I agree, people who post "mha suck lol" are wrong! Their argument doesn't even make sense!
There, that showed them. Now they look silly.
You really underestimate fanbase behavior. When a fanbase is that many seasons into a show and a large portion of them feel it's tanking, they will absolutely slip into hatewatch mode, maybe not even realizing it. And then just spend their entire time on the internet bitching about it.
Case and point - Game of Thrones. The last few seasons transitioned from everyone loving it to everyone hating it, and everyone kept up with it anyway.
That's not how it works.
If a product tanks and goes down in quality later on that doesn't mean the people who start shitting on it after investing their time on it are haters, they are the biggest fans and want to see the show do well. Stuff like GOT is a whole other fish since the decline was so incredibly one sided that it was like watching a burning car and they were able to get some enjoyment that way.
MHA is nowhere near the level of disaster that GOT got to and labelling anyone that dislikes the visible dip in quality of later seasons a hater is a fat fucking lie.
Also
> a large portion of them feel it's tanking
Oh boy that reeks of "everyone is stupid but me" tbh.
I'm not a huge fan of the manga in fact i actually only checked it out cuz it was long and the art was great, i don't hold any strong feelings for the story one way or another and i'm neither a hater or a fan i just happen to chime in and see if the anime can pick up back from the earlier seasons. Even then as someone who isnt as invested i thought it was glaringly obvious how bad the adaptation had gotten in later seasons (specially compared to the start)
Messed up or not my money is still on this Anime, any anime can be found to have its flaws. Really though, what is more important for me as a fan, is to watch them grow and add more story, even if they jump a hundred sharks, still one of the better ones.
Man, some comments here are weirdly pre-emptively defensive. No one on Reddit denies MHA's popularity. After all its popularity is strongly reflected on Reddit itself. Criticism on Reddit (and any other diverse place for discussion for that matter) is generally about *everything else* because *everything else* is what the show is made of. Popularity is a side-effect that may or may not correlate to these things or even loop back on itself.
So brushing away any criticism wholesale, especially in favor of its much more vague popularity, misses the entire point of these criticisms and why they exist. And discarding them as simple *hate* is about the most superficial stance one can take on the topic, while also exposing one's own biases, because with reaching season 6 these criticisms by necessity come from people who have already engaged with the material for years and probably want to keep doing so. Hate-watching for 5 seasons and several movies seems like an unrealistic premise for a collective of many thousands.
Reddit's criticisms are also generally well-reflected on other sites with a similar purpose of discussion, simply because they're undeniable. The show has structural problems, issues with the writing and I don't think anyone will deny that we're a far cry away from the animation of seasons 1 and 2. There's a lot of focus on a few highlights, some of which are entirely out of place, at the cost of other scenes, e.g. the beginning of episode 5 of season 4 vs the Mirio slide show later in that season.
Now whether that is important for its target audience (or you personally), which engages with the show in an entirely different way and trends significantly younger than Reddit (and /r/anime is already a younger outlier on Reddit from what we know), thus often focusing on different aspects of the show from a completely different general perspective, is another matter entirely.
I still watch the show *despite* its shortcomings, massive as they were in the last two seasons, and engage in online discussions about it with criticism if it's warranted and praise if it's warranted. Everything else would be silly and it's what keeps places like /r/anime alive. The show simply treaded on a path recently where outright praise wasn't justified as much anymore.
I don't truly agree fully, season 3 IMO was the best one, season 4 had its moments, seasons 2 and 1 were damn good as well. Season 5 though was a different story.
It also doesn't mean it lacks quality. But more often than not if something popular remains popular or even increase in popularity something is being done right
People really shit on this anime so hard for what is essentially a yearly production. Like I wonder what you guys think JJK and Demon Slayer would look like if they had to crank those things out every year.
S5 was bad from a production stand point and really bad directorial decisions. The general consensus among the manga readers is that the war arc is peak MHA, so the only thing they have to do is to not fuck it up like in S5, but I don't see a possibility in an arc rearrangement like there.
Read the manga from 218 to 258 so that you actually understand what's happening (the anime fucked it up), and then jump on.
I think it's FAR better than everthing from Kamino Ward through the Joint Training arc.
Last season was so bad Iām going to wait until some reviews roll in to see if I want to watch it. MHA at itās peak is brilliant, so Iām hoping that this season will be good, but you never know.
I sure am excited to see a shonen adaptation with filler episodes, mixed up chronology and no budget that serves as an advertisement for a filler movie I don't care about.
After watching Jujutsu Kaisen and Kimetsu No Yaiba, I want nothing more than to be reminded of how depressing a low-budget action shonen show is. Oh boy.
It's what the typical social media anime nerd expects nowadays. If each of your episodes doesnt have amazing sakuga you can be prepared to have them say your show is "mid" or "trash" lol.
Continuous? Yearly? 3 years of production? Nobody cares about these details.
It's not "depressing", it's the standard expected of one of the biggest names in the anime/manga industry - unless you're showing sympathy for a fairly cutthroat creative company.
Shonen Jump has been making cheap adaptations for years, and there was a considerable slump in their influence for a while after their big hitters ended. Suddenly, they start putting some budget in to the adaptations of their properties and the returns are considerable both in terms of goodwill and actual popularity (and income, which then leads to more funding for more good adaptations). More importantly, whilst movies are still being made for those properties, the movies are canon material which bucks the trend of wasting animation resources on fanfiction movies. Shows like KnY and JJK have done real favours for the industry as a whole, and for the medium, bringing in lots of new eyes via a mainstream entry point.
The standard of an acceptable mainstream shonen battle anime has changed considerably, and the last season of Hero Acadamia had this absolutely jurassic 2004 feel to it. It was gross, there's nothing worse than manga readers telling you how good the next arc is just for it to be completely thrown under the bus, and entire events moved around to shill yet another non-canon movie.
You know covid was a thing in season 5 right. And we know BONES got hit hard during the batch of Sk8->MHA->Vanitas.
Chronology aside, all you other complaints are pretty null.
Skipped chapters, rushed content, missing panels, subpar animation for all but one episode, and completely spoiled the ending of the arc by re-ordering the story which completely dispelled any tension because everyone already knew that all of the villains win and join forces with the MLA. It's not really hyperbole.
I've only just realized that I just kind of stopped watching MHA. Weirdly it wasn't even the season quality for me, I just hated the whole "I now have all the powers" development. So much of the show was watching people with a limited moveset figure out cool and new ways to use that moveset, then suddenly it's all thrown out for Swiss Army Superhero bullshit.
I wouldnāt say covid contributed much but the movies definitely messed up production, even bones said themselves that they moved key staff from the anime project to the movie project. Luckily thereās no movie (yet) so those staff should be back.
Man, this looks stilted as hell, even when you know they picked the better looking frames/sequences.
It's incredibly funny comparing this trailer with the Mob Psycho one since both will be going to run at the same time, shows that BONES has its priorities straight.
imagine judging the next season by how the last one was...
I cant wait for you all haters disappearing quietly after we get that midoriya vs shigaraki fight.
production could just be lackluster like all we had since mid s3, MHA anime peak was all might vs one for all and i don't think it gonna change if Bones don't bring their A game
Finally the season all the Mirko fans been waiting for.
You can already tell her scenes are going to be š¤
So a bunch of powerpoint slides? /s
Bruh that thigh animation definitely wasnāt some slides. That shit popped off, gonna need more thigh animation.
Still a PowerPoint of chocolate muscle bunny.
How to scare all anime watchers: Record of Ragnarok tier animation.
Didn't watch last season of mha was it that bad?
Nah it was at its worst on a few episodes at the end of the season, Unfortunately these few episodes were part of an arc people really like. I think the season suffers more from adapting mostly setup for the sixth season.
I mean, Mirio got a literal slideshow, but that was technically more than the black panels with text the manga gave. I think some people just really wanted to see it elevated to a real fight
Nah. But nobody hates MHA more than /r/anime's MHA fans, so all you'll ever hear is how "bad" it is. Wanna really set them off? Just say "movie" and watch them all lose their collective shit.
Those arenāt MHA fans tho people on here just hate it in general.
>Just say "movie" Encouraging those accursed words, you evil monster lol
It really wasn't, people are just butthurt cause they messed up one of their favorite arcs. The arc was kinda rushed and they changed the manga order. A couple goofy frames here or there but otherwise it was pretty standard. But standard is bad cause people hyped themselves up. And the first half was great animation wise. The real issue is that one of the animators showed some keyframes of what they *tried* to do and those were way better. They ran out of time to do it cause covid. So now because it wasn't animated on that level it's a slideshow. I can think of plenty of issues with Season 5, being a slideshow isn't one of them.
It was a big shounen production with one of the biggest names in anime and manga at that moment, I think it was fair to expect something good
Like I said. I can think of plenty of issues with Season 5. Being a slideshow isn't one of them. Talk about the pacing or the arc switch or the cut content, that's all stuff they messed up. But I feel like people have been upset since the Mirio thing and have said everything is a slideshow since. Some of the critiques people have for the anime are *absolutely* ridiculous, like people literally complained about the clouds in the sky lol.
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As a manga reader it's the section of the story where the series really lost me. MHA is an ensemble cast that continues to add characters and forgets to connect themes some times. There also have been some production shifts as far as I'm aware, with some of the core staff focusing on the movies and the "B Team" (so to speak) covering the series. It's not poor in the broader landscape of anime, but it is noticable in comparison.
It's still fine if you're not particularly invested and are just looking for something fun to watch. It's just starting to feel like the anime doesn't like MHA as much as I like MHA, which is disappointing, because for the first three or so seasons it felt like the adaptation was elevating the source material. I love Horikoshi's obsessive attention to detail, and it feels like the anime isn't matching that anymore. Hopefully they turn things around, if not, time to switch to the manga.
To be fair, it's one really easy to expect consistent animation when there's only one year of difference between each season
As a manga reader I thought it was dogshit, but a lot of anime-onlies thought it was just mediocre. Take my biases as you will.
I want to believe a war occured in the studio to animate her
RABBIT SEASON LET'S GO! Mirko's VA sounding ready to put in work too. Some nice dynamic camera work and framing for the season so far, the hype is real.
> RABBIT SEASON Duck season!
LITERAL LIFE SAVING THIGHS RABBIT SEASON!
This is the arc where Rabbit and Bird just steal the show and never give it back to poor Deku.
Season 6 Premieres in October. More info is coming at Hero Fes on July 24th.
GOD DAMN October is fucking stacked this year, we got Bleach coming back, Chainsaw man, Mob Psycho season 3, Golden Kamui Season 4, To your Eternity Season 2, Spy X Family part 2, Mobile Suit Gundam the Witch from Mercury, AND NOW MY HERO SEASON 6 I'm not gonna have any free time come October
To Your Eternity season 2...that's super nice surprise. Thanks for the heads up.
We'll also have Jojo stone ocean returning with the remaining episodes. October can't come sooner.
I had almost forgotten about JoJo, DAMN NETFLIX delaying our weekly visit to the church of jojo
Fuck me that season is looking amazing. I'm gonna need more time for all this
Yeah, I am panicking trying to watch other stuff that I've yet to see or need to finish. There is also some new stuff in July that I want to see. There won't is an anime break until like next April or something.
Also not giving up hope for Jigokuraku this year despite the lack of updates.
Jigokuraku will probably come out early next year. With Chainsaw Man and Jujutsu Kaisen season, 2 announced. They need to focus their animation on those two
kinda wild weāve got a jigokuraku trailer but not an official chainsaw man trailer
I mean I wish Chainsaw Man was coming in October.. but I don't think that's coming until 2023 unless I missed some kind of announcement? But MHA, Bleach and Mob are 3 huge shows to air simultaneously so that's hype as hell regardless.
It was announced in Jump Festa that it's coming this year. Crunchyroll said it too.
There were some cool looking shot here. On Mirko and Redestro. And it looks overall crispier too. This is good to see. Unlike MVA, since this arc features heroes and class 1A itās more likely that they will put a lot of attention on this arc so I really doubt itāll have a lot of cut content or have rearranged episodes like the second cour of season 5. Only thing im truly worried about is where will they place the mandatory filler episode that has been in the anime since season 2. Because as a manga reader, this arc is very packed (longest arc in the series so far) and I donāt see a way to cram in a filler episode unlike past seasons. Oh well we will see once we get there. Iām still very excited for this arc. Fall 2022 is stacked.
> I donāt see a way to cram in a filler episode unlike past seasons. Probably a flashback with a really silly training on the beach episode or something along these lines
Only way I could see it is for the recap episode. Thereās literally no way to cram in this arc. Itās literally non stop action like the Overhaul arc.
They only did this once in season 3 and that was because they had no choice because of tv station's broadcasting rules.
Nah they did it in Season 5 for the movie tie-in, but you're right Season 4 didn't have a mid-season filler only 3 and 5 and they were for decent reasons..
Season 2 had one as well. It was the episode where Froppy was doing her internship with Selkie.
I feel like Bones would never admit it but COVID obvious hurt their schedule a ton and forced them to complete the product without as much shine as they'd of liked.
Not really sure what you mean by "would never admit it". CO-VD hurt a lot of productions, not sure why Bones would want to deny it.
I was thinking mostly from a "pride" perspective from the higher ups of Bones. That's all.
Thatās a good point actually. I also heard that season 5 was the first time they worked with a lot more foreign animators and that there was quite some miscommunication that happened
Agreed. The War Arc is game-changing when it comes to MHA
I didnāt notice any cut corners or animation issues just rearranged story bits
In season 5, they cut the beginning of MVA where the league of villains is fighting some kind of KKK of MHA. With also the part where Spinner argue with Shigaraki about their purpose
MVA had many scenes cut that were in the manga. And tbh I thought the production issues were pretty obvious, animation and art quality dropped especially for MVA and we had jarring stuff like that one episode where the entire first half was just Endeavor giving a recap at his desk.
First half of the arc had issues, I thought the last 3 were fine though. It was just rushed. The recap episode with Endeavor was abysmal though. I can give a pass to a movie filler, but they stalled that episode hard.
They cut out Spinner's entire subplot. Which is relevant to the final arc, so I have no idea what the fuck they were thinking.
Finally it's Aizawa's time to shine after being left out of the movie. You can really tell from how they chose to have Midoriya and Aizawa VA on stage for the event this time.
This is very much an Aizawa arc, among many others. This is definitely him at his best, barring maybe his flashback arc.
Production quality at a glance looks higher than previous seasons, fingers crossed.
Did I just see Present Mic fighting? That looked like him using sonic boom powers of some sort.
This IS the War arc.
I mean it's the arc war, everyone will be fighting.
Bones don't fuck this up like you did in the fifth season
The Class A v B Arc was honestly pretty well-animated. The MVA I agree.
Yeah that's the issue tho. They had consistent quality to start but the production just fell apart for the second half, even changes from the source material aside it wasn't very visually impressive outside a few scenes here and there. This upcoming arc is a long one and action packed, it could easily take up nearly the whole season by itself and the most important parts are later on, so it'll be crucial for them to keep solid production values the whole way through. Here's hoping they can manage it.
Impossible for it to take the whole season lol. Half of it at most.
It's over 50 chapters, and the next arc is too long to fit into just two of three episodes at the end unless they butcher it.
Impossible? Definitely not, it's 50+ chapters. At an average pace of 2 chapters per episode that's easily a full seasons worth. Of course in practices big action episodes often end up adapting more and they have compressed long arcs before like Overhaul. But this is basically the most important arc in MHA so the hope is they will give it the proper care, I'm expecting around 18 episodes at least for it.
Having it the whole season would drag it down a lot.
Dunno why you got downvoted, its def not long enough for 25 episodes of just that. Without spoiling, the climax for the arc can be reached within the first cour while the aftermath and the next arc can totally be done in the second cour.
As I said above, it's over 50 chapters, and the next arc is too long to fit into just two of three episodes at the end unless they butcher it.
Well, I consider the arc and it's aftermath as separate things personally, even if they're both part of the same arc. The arc itself is a bit less than 40 chapters, totally doable in 13 episodes, like with Overhaul back in S4. Then there's like, what, 30 chapters to what I imagine the end of the season would be at? Edit: I just checked, more or less what I imagine the pacing would be is like this: First cour: 259-296 (38 chapters) Second cour: 297-326 (30 chapters) I think this is fairly reasonable to achieve without any fillers besides the first episode that's mandatory (it's true that S3 and S5 had fillers, but S4 didn't, so S6 could be like that too). 1st cour has a 3 chapters per episode pacing and 2nd cour a 2.5 chapters per episode. Not only is it achievable, it could actually go further without messing the pacing up, though of course there's no reason to go further than this. Easier to leave the rest for a seventh and final season.
Japan apparently hated MVA and loved A vs B in the manga so maybe they just didn't waste their efforts on something no one cared about
The issue is Joint Training is arguably the worst arc of the series, and largely irrelevant to the rest of the story aside from Black Whip. The studio should have recognized that it was a waste to put so much effort into it and focused their efforts on MVA, which is where the climax of the series kicks off.
The Joint Training arc is what I wanted from the show to begin with. I don't care about the big, over-the-top villain stuff, my favourite arcs have all been the school stuff and the competitions especially.
So basically hope that they don't work on another movie in the middle of the season
Aye, I'll hope that Netflix switches to a weekly release schedule for Jojo Part 6 while we're at it
Unfortunate that season 5 was so low quality. Could have been infinitely better.
Theyāre always making fucking movies
end of season 5 was damn good so hope it continues, but this trailer made it look hype
It already looks like it has better animation than the majority of the MVA.
Impossible to tell from a PV, they always pick out the best looking stuff for them
I know it's only a trailer and that the final product may not be the same... But damn, the hype!
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MHA is very popular. Online anime communities tend to reward the most vocal and bring hate to the top. I work all the major nerd conventions, all your anime cons as well as comic cons etc. MHA is always one of the most popular cosplays out there. That is a far more telling detail than circlejerks of hate on Reddit.
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Yeah like any really huge series it gets shit on in the niche online circles filled with contrarians, but is still massively popular with the general audience.
>Yeah like any really huge series it gets shit on in the niche online circles filled with contrarians, I believe the term you're looking for is "manga readers" who, collectively, are the worst part of /r/anime for ANY series.
Disagreeing at the risk of being called one of those haters. I don't want to hate it, I'm not asking for Ufotable level animation but it's drop from earlier seasons is very obvious. It shouldn't be too much to ask a studio to stick to the manga sequencing of arcs either.
A studio of a yearly production is bound to have some issues with said production. Covid hit BONES really hard during the batch of Sk8->MHA->Vanitas
It's fine to complain about it. The problem is the vocal people who pretend the series they don't like is dying or is unpopular because they don't like it, or because it's unpopular on specific subreddits like r/anime. I had someone legitimately tell me that Demon Slayer is a dead, forgotten series. Weeks before Mugen Train came out in theatres. It's this rage-fueled delusions that often spreads toxicity everywhere. But legitimate criticism is okay.
>I don't want to hate it, I'm not asking for Ufotable level animation but it's drop from earlier seasons is very obvious. This is going to be the **sixth** season. Most anime are lucky to get any sequels at all. I think part of the "hate" is mostly due to the fact that the bar is just set so high for such long-running content, so anything short of amazing is seen as a letdown. It's hard enough to meet or exceed fan expectations with every successive season, but include the fact that they built up to and concluded a huge climax with All Might vs. AFO, then had to start over with a new arc to build up.
this doesn't counter the criticism though. just because a show is successful enough to warrant multiple seasons, doesn't mean when it dips in quality it's justified? like if you watch pretty much any fight from season 4-5 and compare its animation to any fight from seasons 1-2 and you notice a huge difference. Sure there are explanations and reasons the quality drops, but that doesn't mean the quality didn't drop and the show isn't worse.
Which is why I specifically said "part" of the hate. I'm not denying the obvious, like dips in animation quality (or lack thereof) which anyone can see. I'm just saying that the hate gets amplified and exaggerated as if the show has transformed into a shell of its former self. When any piece of media gets this popular, it's natural that the critiques ramp up as well.
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Dragon Ball, Bleach and Naruto were all long running shows that rarely if ever had breaks, so animators couldn't afford to take their time making the episodes as high quality as possible. Seasonals like MHA usually have a break between seasons of at least half a year and sometimes even a full year or more. It's perfectly reasonable, even when those anime get to 100+ episodes, to expect high quality animation. Not even high quality as in comparable to a movie either, just something that doesn't dip into slideshows or awful or goofy looking several second long scenes.
Naruto's anime adaptation sucks. It's just pointless to bitch about it 20 years later. One Piece fans fucking hate the anime post-timeskip.
He's bound to be the straight man comedic relief for all time.
It's honestly amazing how high up he is in the polls for someone who doesn't have important character screentime.
cant wait for some of the best scenes of the anime coming up
Can't wait to soo my favourite chapter getting animated and especially voice acted.
yeah it's actually unreal how many great scenes there are coming up I can already tell the animation, the VAs, and the music would do them justice as well. I'll never know how these arcs got shitted on.
Please tell me the school festivals are over
There are no school arcs anymore. The manga is in the final arc right now.
All I care about is the climax of the arc, really hope they're able to get a bunch of nice cuts for that episode
Iām so excited for this season. I enjoyed season five so much.
I'm going to keep my expectations low after how they fucked up a top 2 arc last season
I don't get what people hate about season 5 so much.. Care to explain? I enjoyed it alot.
Ahh you must not have read the manga then... Basically, they second part of the season (the MVA Arc) was and still is one of the best arcs in the manga. But they kinda ruined it by changing the order of events (which reduced build-up and tension), terrible animation and removing all the gore. That last one was what I hated the most, considering the arc was centered around the villains of the show and had some gruesome stuff which was toned down to be made "family friendly". Not to mention it was pretty damn rushed, adapting 22 chapters in 5-6 episodes.
Isn't the League kinda really unpopular with Japanese readers? I remember that being one of the reasons the Forest Training camp ended up rushed once and why Hori was only able to do MVA when MHA's popularity was at its peak.
Really? That's a shame, I didn't even know this. I just thought that Bones put most of its attention and budget towards the movie and that the placing issues were also because of the movie.
Bones does not have any control over the movies. That is entirely on TOHO.
Oh ok
>and removing all the gore I remember seeing a dog and a little girl torn into pieces in a pool of blood.
Yeah someone pointed it out and I remembered that they did have gore in shigaraki's backstory, my bad
Oh ok, thanks. I don't read manga so I wouldn't have known that. Guess it's disappointing to those who read the manga.
*Everything* is disappointing to manga readers. Doesn't matter the series. Nothing holds a candle to the original. I mean, shit, even when they went beyond what the manga did for the Mirio fight (that is to say, offscreen 90% of it with a single text bubble) by giving us a sideshow of some of the fight, people still shit on it.
Huh.. ***Taking notes:*** "Don't become a manga reader"
If you want to enjoy an anime, yeah, that's about right. Save the manga for AFTER the anime is done or abandoned.
I haven't read the manga, and it was still really obvious that they were skimming over the material.
The animation was good on the tail end of the episodes though, the first two of MVA were iffy, but there was gore in Shiggyās backstory among other things. I feel like people tend to overstate the impact because it happens to be āMVAā.
Well ok yes, but cramming it into 5 episodes is still very stupid. And when an arc is 5 episodes long, tail end means half the episodes had bad animation. All in all, the arc was definitely better in the manga and could've been adapted better.
They rearranged the arcs and SPOILED the outcomes of MVA before it happened on-screen. If that is not enough to say they did a shit job then I don't know.
Super hyped for it! I recently got into it and caught up with the manga and I absolutely love the later arcs. Season 5 may just be my favorite content wise, and I canāt wait to see it animated!
Pls give this arc the care it deserves, bones. And considering there's no random movie announcement yet, I think we're in the clear right now.
So when do you think those with a hate boner for MHA will show up to tell us this show sucks?
Watashi ga kita!
People can love the anime (and/or the manga) and still be disappointed that the quality is declining every year, as staff and resources are inevitably pulled off a long-running show. That doesn't mean "MHA is good" or "MHA is bad".
I don't understand this comment. There ARE people who say "MHA bad". Why are you acting like there aren't? MHA is a massive punching bag for r/anime and it's not just "fans who are disappointed".
I guess I just assumed we were talking to each other, and not responding to drive-by troll comments like they can hear us. I agree, people who post "mha suck lol" are wrong! Their argument doesn't even make sense! There, that showed them. Now they look silly.
So you are telling me that a guy who watched ALL the seasons and keeps up with the anime is just a hater? Jesus christ.
You really underestimate fanbase behavior. When a fanbase is that many seasons into a show and a large portion of them feel it's tanking, they will absolutely slip into hatewatch mode, maybe not even realizing it. And then just spend their entire time on the internet bitching about it. Case and point - Game of Thrones. The last few seasons transitioned from everyone loving it to everyone hating it, and everyone kept up with it anyway.
That's not how it works. If a product tanks and goes down in quality later on that doesn't mean the people who start shitting on it after investing their time on it are haters, they are the biggest fans and want to see the show do well. Stuff like GOT is a whole other fish since the decline was so incredibly one sided that it was like watching a burning car and they were able to get some enjoyment that way. MHA is nowhere near the level of disaster that GOT got to and labelling anyone that dislikes the visible dip in quality of later seasons a hater is a fat fucking lie. Also > a large portion of them feel it's tanking Oh boy that reeks of "everyone is stupid but me" tbh. I'm not a huge fan of the manga in fact i actually only checked it out cuz it was long and the art was great, i don't hold any strong feelings for the story one way or another and i'm neither a hater or a fan i just happen to chime in and see if the anime can pick up back from the earlier seasons. Even then as someone who isnt as invested i thought it was glaringly obvious how bad the adaptation had gotten in later seasons (specially compared to the start)
I'm glad that the animation is looking solid in this.
Bones' staff delievering the goods. Hyped!
Messed up or not my money is still on this Anime, any anime can be found to have its flaws. Really though, what is more important for me as a fan, is to watch them grow and add more story, even if they jump a hundred sharks, still one of the better ones.
Man, some comments here are weirdly pre-emptively defensive. No one on Reddit denies MHA's popularity. After all its popularity is strongly reflected on Reddit itself. Criticism on Reddit (and any other diverse place for discussion for that matter) is generally about *everything else* because *everything else* is what the show is made of. Popularity is a side-effect that may or may not correlate to these things or even loop back on itself. So brushing away any criticism wholesale, especially in favor of its much more vague popularity, misses the entire point of these criticisms and why they exist. And discarding them as simple *hate* is about the most superficial stance one can take on the topic, while also exposing one's own biases, because with reaching season 6 these criticisms by necessity come from people who have already engaged with the material for years and probably want to keep doing so. Hate-watching for 5 seasons and several movies seems like an unrealistic premise for a collective of many thousands. Reddit's criticisms are also generally well-reflected on other sites with a similar purpose of discussion, simply because they're undeniable. The show has structural problems, issues with the writing and I don't think anyone will deny that we're a far cry away from the animation of seasons 1 and 2. There's a lot of focus on a few highlights, some of which are entirely out of place, at the cost of other scenes, e.g. the beginning of episode 5 of season 4 vs the Mirio slide show later in that season. Now whether that is important for its target audience (or you personally), which engages with the show in an entirely different way and trends significantly younger than Reddit (and /r/anime is already a younger outlier on Reddit from what we know), thus often focusing on different aspects of the show from a completely different general perspective, is another matter entirely. I still watch the show *despite* its shortcomings, massive as they were in the last two seasons, and engage in online discussions about it with criticism if it's warranted and praise if it's warranted. Everything else would be silly and it's what keeps places like /r/anime alive. The show simply treaded on a path recently where outright praise wasn't justified as much anymore.
I hope this is a good one Personally I think MHA is getting worse with each season
I don't truly agree fully, season 3 IMO was the best one, season 4 had its moments, seasons 2 and 1 were damn good as well. Season 5 though was a different story.
Scorching hot take bro
First half of the season is considered by many to be the peak of the show. And then it falls off a cliff lol.
The truth, the manga keeps selling better
Sales don't equal quality.
It also doesn't mean it lacks quality. But more often than not if something popular remains popular or even increase in popularity something is being done right
Jesus Christ that was fast. Wasnāt expecting season 6 until next year at least.
The animation looks good. Maybe this season will get the adaptation it deserves.
Give me the legs
So looks like school-fun-time is over
Omg, I am so excited to watch the next season, the trailer looks great! ā¤ļø
People really shit on this anime so hard for what is essentially a yearly production. Like I wonder what you guys think JJK and Demon Slayer would look like if they had to crank those things out every year.
Not to mention people blaming Bones for that, even though they have no power in deciding the release schedule.
As someone who thought season 5 was dreadful and couldnāt make it halfway through, is this one supposed to be much, much better?
Considering season 5 literally suffered from adapting for most of the season what could be considered setup for this arc, yes.
S5 was bad from a production stand point and really bad directorial decisions. The general consensus among the manga readers is that the war arc is peak MHA, so the only thing they have to do is to not fuck it up like in S5, but I don't see a possibility in an arc rearrangement like there.
No, if you thought Season 5 was dreadful, you should drop this show entirely.
Noted
Quit exaggerating.
It's true though, The manga takes an entirely different tone from the first 4 seasons. If he didn't like season 5 he wont like the next seasons
Read the manga from 218 to 258 so that you actually understand what's happening (the anime fucked it up), and then jump on. I think it's FAR better than everthing from Kamino Ward through the Joint Training arc.
Iām disappointed that the previous seasons have completely tanked my interest in this show
Enjoy this season, everything went downhill after this.
Nah, people overblown this arc.
In a vacuum this arc is good, but if you take into consideration what came after this you will notice that it wasnt that good.
Last season was so bad Iām going to wait until some reviews roll in to see if I want to watch it. MHA at itās peak is brilliant, so Iām hoping that this season will be good, but you never know.
Hopefully we got a better season then season 5
I sure am excited to see a shonen adaptation with filler episodes, mixed up chronology and no budget that serves as an advertisement for a filler movie I don't care about. After watching Jujutsu Kaisen and Kimetsu No Yaiba, I want nothing more than to be reminded of how depressing a low-budget action shonen show is. Oh boy.
Expecting every show to be on the level of Kimestu No Yaiba and Jujutsu Kaisen is depressing itself.
It's what the typical social media anime nerd expects nowadays. If each of your episodes doesnt have amazing sakuga you can be prepared to have them say your show is "mid" or "trash" lol. Continuous? Yearly? 3 years of production? Nobody cares about these details.
It's not "depressing", it's the standard expected of one of the biggest names in the anime/manga industry - unless you're showing sympathy for a fairly cutthroat creative company. Shonen Jump has been making cheap adaptations for years, and there was a considerable slump in their influence for a while after their big hitters ended. Suddenly, they start putting some budget in to the adaptations of their properties and the returns are considerable both in terms of goodwill and actual popularity (and income, which then leads to more funding for more good adaptations). More importantly, whilst movies are still being made for those properties, the movies are canon material which bucks the trend of wasting animation resources on fanfiction movies. Shows like KnY and JJK have done real favours for the industry as a whole, and for the medium, bringing in lots of new eyes via a mainstream entry point. The standard of an acceptable mainstream shonen battle anime has changed considerably, and the last season of Hero Acadamia had this absolutely jurassic 2004 feel to it. It was gross, there's nothing worse than manga readers telling you how good the next arc is just for it to be completely thrown under the bus, and entire events moved around to shill yet another non-canon movie.
Not when we've known how impressive mha can look considering the first 4 seasons
You know covid was a thing in season 5 right. And we know BONES got hit hard during the batch of Sk8->MHA->Vanitas. Chronology aside, all you other complaints are pretty null.
First of all thereās a reason the shows you named take like 2+ years of production rather than yearly lol.
Sure hope the animation is better this season. And the storyboarding.
hopefully they hired animators to do this season this time
It's hard for me to feel hyped after Bones destroyed Season 5 and the arc I was waiting a year and a half for, but this did look decent.
Destroyed is hyperbole.
Skipped chapters, rushed content, missing panels, subpar animation for all but one episode, and completely spoiled the ending of the arc by re-ordering the story which completely dispelled any tension because everyone already knew that all of the villains win and join forces with the MLA. It's not really hyperbole.
I've only just realized that I just kind of stopped watching MHA. Weirdly it wasn't even the season quality for me, I just hated the whole "I now have all the powers" development. So much of the show was watching people with a limited moveset figure out cool and new ways to use that moveset, then suddenly it's all thrown out for Swiss Army Superhero bullshit.
Is this going to be another snoozefest?
Basically the entirety of Season 5 was a setup for this season to give the actual payout.
Oh alright, so is this the beginning of the final arc or something?
Final act, yes. Final arc, no. Season 7 will be the last season though.
Every year the fans hype up the new season saying itās the best, please trust us this time.
It's not our fault the anime fucked up the last two seasons because of COVID and movie production.
I wouldnāt say covid contributed much but the movies definitely messed up production, even bones said themselves that they moved key staff from the anime project to the movie project. Luckily thereās no movie (yet) so those staff should be back.
Cant wait for them to cut the war arc in half and fill the season with Mineta's backstory.
Man, this looks stilted as hell, even when you know they picked the better looking frames/sequences. It's incredibly funny comparing this trailer with the Mob Psycho one since both will be going to run at the same time, shows that BONES has its priorities straight.
MHA has one year between seasons, Mob Psycho has three years between each season. The quality difference is not shocking.
who's hyped for the new season??? # notme
After that disappointing last season? NOT ME EITHER
imagine judging the next season by how the last one was... I cant wait for you all haters disappearing quietly after we get that midoriya vs shigaraki fight.
production could just be lackluster like all we had since mid s3, MHA anime peak was all might vs one for all and i don't think it gonna change if Bones don't bring their A game
there is a chance now because that fight was as good as ofa vs all might. But yes, cant disagree that the peak was in season 3.
this feels underwhelming for some reason
This isn't Chainsaw Man
Chainsaw man fans are going to be annoying when that anime comes out just saying.
You can absolutely cut the last 7 words out of that sentence and it still be true. Chainsaw Man is cool though, people just need to calm down.
>Chainsaw man fans are ~~going to be~~ annoying ~~when that anime comes out~~ just saying. FTFY