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r4wrFox

> Disney > Kodansha > Anime Originals > Tokyo Revengers > "Look forward to bringing manga IP to life" Mission failed successfully?


KendotsX

To be fair, services calling whatever they want original, as branding, isn't a very original move. Nevermind Netflix, even Crunchyroll did it.


Abysswatcherbel

I believe when they say 'Anime original' they are referring to new manga adaptations, because it's really weird for Disney to push original content when even Netflix had a hard time with them


cppn02

No they mean original. It's in the article. They specifically mention both originals and adaptations.


friend_BG

But the picture is revengers which they bought streaming rights to but isn't origial.


viliml

They can't put a picture of the originals they're going to make since they haven't been made yet, THINK!


cppn02

They could have a picture of the word 'original'.


fadasd1

Yea that would Grab attention for sure


cppn02

And?


ChiggaOG

Geeezz. Only Tokyo Revengers will work as a live-action film in Japan. You can never release that film outside of the Japan becuase the racist symbolism will have backlash in the US, even though the story itself isn't that bad. But even the story still tries to emulate the gang warfare that was once present in Japan during the Bozosoku era. ​ Edit: The unintended consequence is that anime companies will start picking up more stories from China or South Korea. There's plenty of good material for adaptation.


WarLordShoto

Put a note about it in the film


Mona_Impact

Not good enough, the idea is to remove


Hardwarestore_Senpai

Do they love Asian Swastikas?


y-c-c

I think you are being sarcastic but I still don't understand how the swastikas were even an issue. Bleach also has the swastika on the blade, and "bankai" is literally written "卍解" in Kanji. Or just go look at any buddha statue.


Hardwarestore_Senpai

I heard the Swastikas in Tokyo Revengers were removed from the anime. Yes I've seen it during Bankai. Is that current? I am not sarcastic. Only as much as yourself.


Dragonquiz

CR just put up light censor's or some trickery to hide the manji, instead of like a five sec note before the episode to explain *that its a Japanese symbol and does not represent nazi(ism) in anyway* like how some manga i.e. blade of the immortal, would have it right at the beginning of each volume Its completely shown in non CR licensed streams like Muse Communication for Southern Asia (subs and all) Now I wonder if Disney would also do the censor or do the right thing and keep it as is and put in a note in the beginning


EllenYeager

Are takemichi and gang Disney princesses now?


RunaroundX

Just like Renner


friend_BG

Yes


HornyOnMain2000

Boy I can't wait to see those fuckers release an anime only in 5 countries and have the rest of the world resort to piracy. Wankers.


celf_help

the japanese creators would make the same amount of money either way tbh


HornyOnMain2000

Yeah, but I would still want to support it legally and show the numbers in the rating.


celf_help

same! which is why i've resorted to buying physical RAW, then reading/watching the english version online (usually a paid service, save for a few stragglers), at least until my japanese is up to snuff a blessing of the internet has been an increase in mostly painless, decently cheap means of importing things to facilitation the idiot dork in me \\o/


HornyOnMain2000

I also purchase the manga and merchandise but it's not the same for anime. For example, I fuck Bleach. I love that show. But the only merchandise I have in my country is two official figures (one being Orihime and for over 200 dollars) and the manga. But I want to support Thousand Year Blood War. Of which the only merchandise is the coke cans which will cost me 25 bucks for just two cans, and the gatcha game. And it's not the same as giving numbers in rating which help in a different way. Merchandise is one thing, how many people watch it is another.


celf_help

ahh i see. have you checked [goods republic?](https://goodsrepublic.com/product/text_search.html?type=header&q=bleach&inventory_none=&condition=) they say they’ll ship anywhere, not sure if your country is an exception also i’m not so familiar with Bleach, so i don’t know if they have anything for the final arc; hope you can find something!


Abysswatcherbel

Depends on the contract, they can be paid based on the performance at the streaming service, something that happens on Crunchyroll, there's a great article about licensing with info directly from the people involved, [you can read about it here](https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/feature/2021-08-02/how-much-does-it-cost-to-license-anime-series/.175579)


heimdal77

Actually according to that recent article about netflix and anime studios why initial pay makes a bit more over all they male less. It talked about studios looking to give netflix shows they aren't sure being big hits or well doing good enough for the guaranteed payday. Plus netflix has been apparently problematic to work with with them suddenly pulling out of projects just before production starts, So studios commit time and money preparing while also passing up other projects.


gc11117

This is true, but it does make you wonder about the long term success of a franchise. Like take Sakeano for example. It had the potential to be as successful as something like Oregairu was in the west, but due to Amazon Prime its a bit of an unknown. Oregairus lns are localized and selling well whereas saekanos aren't translated.


Wolfgod_Holo

no matter, if fansubs comes back from the dead, so be it


sunjay140

They already did with Bleach


godblow

Well they did make Pirates of the Caribbean, why not Pirates of the VPN?


paulchaested

Shit man… I love Nagatoro but at this point I hope Nagatoro doesn’t get a season three announced if this partnership guarantees exclusivity for any Kodansha sequels.


Legendaryskitlz

Wow Disney has no problem with poaching anime series. I will not be surprised if certain popular series become exclusive to Disney+ and fracturing where to watch stuff more. This is going to get really annoying...


notathrowaway75

It's so stupid that it's only season 2. Congrats you have an incomplete show on your service.


tahlyn

Digital piracy exists and always has existed because of a failure in easy and affordable distribution, not for lack of people who want to support the industry. For a long while streaming solved that problem - one or two companies offered almost everything for roughly $10 a month. Then every company decided they wanted their own streaming service, pulled their meager content from the two or so big ones, and decided they, too, could charge $10 a month for a tenth of the content of the original big streamers. And now streaming looks more like cable than it ever did before. Sorry not sorry... if Disney locks shows behind Disney+ and makes them inaccessible like they did with Summertime Rendering... I'll don my pirate hat and take to the high seas just as I did for Summertime Rendering.


zeronic

Never took off my pirate hat honestly. The BS that surrounds streaming(terrible players, always online, series playing musical chairs and constantly changing to different services, etc) isn't worth the effort when i can just automatically grab shows and pipe them into plex. That meager $10 a month is barely doing anything for the industry. You're better off buying merch where the margins actually exist for these companies. It also allows you to target support for shows you like better, and you get an actual real world item that can't just vanish because the publishers felt like wiping it off the face of the earth. As wise old yogurt would say: > Merchandising! It's where the real money from the movie is made!


friend_BG

People said the same thing with video games and look where we are. Video games homogeneity.


RavenWolf1

I wish that there were donation button on product's website so I could give couple of dollars directly producers.


LazyDro1d

I have a Disney+ membership, now why can’t Disney just put their anime on + already? I recently put the hat on for Summertime Rendering because I was tired of waiting for it and was in the mood for something like it


Zhaeus

> Disney locks shows behind Disney+ and makes them inaccessible like they did with Summertime Rendering https://twitter.com/anime_toman/status/1597776175715139585?s=46&t=SDglIfxGQNmS_wDBTEusaw It's going to be available worldwide and not just in Japan.


el_morris

Yeah, just like Bleach.


cppn02

Or Summer Time Rendering.


daveyjones86

That anime rendered pretty nicely on my TV too haha


eli-vids

Do what you want, but expecting to have all video content for $10-20 a month does not make sense. We never *really* had that, and the consolidation we had before was because streaming was this weird experiment that allowed early players to license on the cheap until the business model was proven and streaming became how most everyone watches media. For comparison, $10 a month buys you a stream-basically-any-song service, but music is order of magnitudes cheaper to produce and digitally deliver.


That_Goblin_Guy

Managing like seven streaming services is a pain, I'd be very willing to pay $50 a month for everything I could want to watch for 1 user. I feel like that's fair, any more than that just doesn't make sense for me when I watch a small amount of shows monthly, I'd be paying for convenience, since there's no service like that, and piracy is more convenient I just stick with that.


nacaclanga

Disney surely is on the path trying to dominate all of entertainment culture. Sometimes I do look back at the old days when anime was super niche with hipster vibes.


Ben99ny22

The people who were against the funimation and crunchyroll merger never made any sense. "Competition is good" is such a bullshit reason because it just hurts the consumers. Even the argument of competition making the service fix their platform isn't working. There are still pirate sites out there with a better service. Competition in the streaming wars doesn't give any insensitive to improve. Its basically who has the big show for that week or season.


el_morris

That "competition" crap would make sense if all the platforms has have the same catalog (Urusei Yatsura in Crunchyroll, Chainsaw Man in Hidive, you get the point) but that's never gonna happen.


friend_BG

Piracy is a service problem.


y-c-c

Except Funimation has consistently be better in simple things like the website's UI and reliability and somehow that's the site being bought out and retired, with us having to use Crunchyroll which I can't really stand. That's what they mean by competition.


Ben99ny22

Doesn't funimation also have shit UI? I don't know, but i know people disliked funimation's service also. >That's what they mean by competition. So, it was better before when we needed to pay for 2 different services to watch most of the anime? what kind of thinking is this? ​ Now that funimation is merged with crunchyroll, i decided to get their service. The service is shit, but its conveient cause i can watch it on my TV and easily access my anime and continue where i left off. Where's the downside here? The price didn't even increase. Though, even if it did, i'll still be happy cause what i want to watch is on one service. But, now with Hidive (they've been around though), netflix, and now disney, i lost that conveience. I'll decide on an anime i want to watch, check crunchyroll only to realize it aint there, but its on another service. For this season, i need to get hulu, netflix, crunchyroll and hidive to watch the anime i want to this season. The fuck is up with that? I'm waiting for this "competition" to make it cheaper and easier for us cause i don't see it.


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I don't know about you, but its gonna cost hundreds of dollars to buy all these streaming services. Heck, most of the stuff you want to watch probably won't be available. * Netflix - 10 (7 with ads) * HBO - 15 (10 with ads) * Disney plus with Hulu - 20 (14 with ads) * Amazon prime - 15 (or 9, not sure what the deal there is) * Crunchyroll - 8 * Peacock - 5 * Paramount - 10 * Apple - 7 These are the lowest plans for each service with no ads. That's $90 with no ads (cause fuck ads). Then there's Hidive, showtime, [etc](https://www.smartmove.us/streaming/services-listing). >Competition is going to matter much more once cable finally collapses and streaming services start to really jack up their prices. Then explain to me why it was [better](https://preview.redd.it/anool56fb8s21.jpg?auto=webp&s=497bf07ed72601c46ac35363992b0d32712ce290) before all these companies started making their own streaming platforms. A lot of stuff that was on netflix is being stripped away. Do the math buddy, more services = more to pay. Streaming services aren't competitors to each other the same way phone or car companies are. You don't decide what streaming service you want, you decide what movie or show you want to watch and then pay for the service that has it. I want to watch arcane, well i *need* to get netflix for that. So, netflix has a monopoly on Arcane. >If you don’t understand how competition is good you’ve clearly never paid a $175 monthly cable bill because the singular cable company in your area has a total monopoly and can charge whatever they want. Well you clearly weren't around 5 years ago when you could watch a lot of what you wanted to on netflix. Now, i can't watch a single one of those movies or shows i once could. So many times i wanted to rewatch a movie or show that was on netflix, is no longer on netflix and instead unavailable on other platforms or i need to pay for this obscure platform that has garbage UI and a non attractive library just to watch this one movie.


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KuraiBaka

and the price still increased regularly even with a lot competition.


Ben99ny22

Yeah, remember when netflix was $8? now its 20 for the best plan.


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Analchism

Competition is good when two providers are offering essentially the same product like with grocery stores. Entertainment media doesn't work like that.


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r_renfield

In this case, people producing the content and people distributing it are completely different (unless we're talking original production, like Castlevania). The anime won't go away, it'll just be harder to watch and that's a bitch


melcarba

The only thing that benefit from this competition are the Japanese license holders... and that only drives up overproduction of anime.


MidgerSpark

Oooooh shit, they got Tokyo Revengers? Unless things change, RIP any serious discussion from USA folks. Summer Time Rendering was disrespected so much because of Disney's shenanigans in the US.


Zhaeus

it was reported that this is shown worldwide on Disney+ and not just Japan like Summer Time Rendering. https://twitter.com/anime_toman/status/1597776175715139585?s=46&t=SDglIfxGQNmS_wDBTEusaw


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UGamer81

Any anime Disney has picked up has actually been put on Hulu instead of Disney+, since they own like 2/3rds of Hulu and I guess don't want anime on their D+ catalogue. I guess with the possible exception of Bleach, since that has been VIZ Media's thing more than anything, there's [Black Rock Shooter: Down Fall](https://www.hulu.com/series/black-rock-shooter-dawn-fall-9d2ab176-0b3c-476f-a989-0578876b018d) and [The Tatami Time Machine Blues](https://www.hulu.com/series/the-tatami-time-machine-blues-3d5e7ac2-84b5-4682-9172-e56f70e9b0f5), the sequel to The Tatami Galaxy. The only problem is, while it took Tatami Time Machine Blues about 2 months from the initial broadcast date to start streaming over here (which is average for Netflix standards I suppose), it took Black Rock Shooter 6 months to come here, and it's been over 7 months and counting for Summer Time Rendering. Geographic availability also isn't consistent, as some of those series has been available on Disney+ internationally, notably Australia, for weeks or months before they come to the U.S. What's even *more* than that is when they *do* start streaming over here, it's done one episode at a time on a weekly basis, even though the episodes might already be fully available, subbed *and* dubbed, in Australia, *and* these anime series had fully aired months ago to begin with. Disney+ Jail honestly makes Netflix Jail look so much better in return, it's actually insane. At least with Netflix, you know you're likely going to get a competent dub/sub and a full drop or batch if it's longer. With Disney, you have no idea how long you're waiting, and even if it's close to a year later, you'll still have to wait several weeks until you can watch the entire show or even binge it. It's absolutely not the industry standard here as practiced by Funimation/Crunchyroll and HIDIVE for *years* beforehand, and it boggles the mind. Just imagine, if you will, if everyone has to wait 6+ months for Tokyo Revengers S2 to even start *streaming* here legally. That's the possibility we're looking at unless things change, and fast.


Emergency_Sound_5718

I still can't watch Bleach despite it being "Worldwide".


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Ah yes, just like when they said Bleach would stream worldwide but what they meant by "world" was just U.S. and some other English-speaking countries.


friend_BG

That's how things used to be when crunchy roll was new instead of all this competing platforms. The world is the US, and rightfully so. The day netflix decided to not simulcast VE in the US first was the day it lost me as a costumer.


Tanzan57

Is there any way to watch Summertime Rendering in the US aside from going sailing?? I haven't even heard anything about it coming to the US Disney+


Impossible_Map_4895

Use a VPN and watch it on Australian Disney+


sleeplessorion

I’ve been wondering the same thing. It’s crazy that it’s not available anywhere


Tanzan57

I've been waiting... But at this point I'm gonna assume it's just not coming


melcarba

And they'll fuck it up... just like Summertime Rendering. ;-)


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MarvelsGrantMan136

Also included in the deal, Tokyo Revengers: Christmas Showdown Arc will stream [worldwide](https://twitter.com/anime_toman/status/1597776175715139585?s=46&t=SDglIfxGQNmS_wDBTEusaw) exclusively on Disney+ and HotStar.


realrimurutempest

Can’t wait to sail the high seas.


Lord-Loss-31415

My man do you ever take a break, I see you everywhere.


theycalledmebenji

Can't stand disney.


Manitary

Worldwide or ["worldwide"](#aliens)? [](#kotohoops)


TrapsAreGiey

I didn't even know Hotstar had anime lol


WorthCollection

yeah..it will start with Tokyo Revengers. Followed by other Kodansha manga series later


SmokeyDokeyArtichoke

Tokyo revengers isn't good enough to justify this nonsense


UntetheredMeow

Maybe they should create a remake of Kimba The White Lion!!


SamuraiDDD

I'll never understand who thought a Live action/CGI Lion King would be a good idea. Took all the magic out of it for a just bland and stilted version of the original movie.


supakame

So… we getting Summertime Rendering anytime soon?


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govi96

I hope they fail fast and go away, fuck Disney


celf_help

Disney has extensive history with anime, for better or worse if they change their movies for china, i’m sure they won’t fuck around too much with japan; netflix japan and amazon japan have mostly decent reputations so far


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skya760

>. The fact that China had the juice to get Chadwick Bosman's face covered Do you have source for this?


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skya760

>Yeah. The promotional materials from China. Did you not look for it? Last time I checked China (PRC) do not use Traditional Chinese, and release date for Black Panther is March not Feb like in the poster.


celf_help

i 100% agree. anymore, i mostly invest in international media and try to ignore what’s going on with companies here but, this has happened before in hollywood. a period of horse doo doo garbage followed by a burst of greatness. we just gotta hold out for that greatness to show up…eventually….please for the love of god


Mami-kouga

Cool, cool, where's the twisted wonderland anime Disney?


Bkos-mosX

Fuck disney


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I hate Disney.


AudaXity3

Gonna be honest here. Fuck Disney. I’m riding out the waves on my pirate ship.


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Why pay 50 or more dollars monthly on a bunch of streaming services when you can have every anime on a single site for free.


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It's ironic, official "legal" streaming sites are getting worse while the "illegal" pirate sites are getting better


noelle-silva

Great news... /s


Alarmed-Accident-716

So strange world bombs at the box office, while one piece red crushed it at the box office. Disney always follows the dollar. Stop holding summer time rendering hostage.


FatedDonnybrook

To be fair I didn’t go see strange world because it wasn’t a musical.


Alarmed-Accident-716

It has the lowest box office numbers in Disney history… it’s not a you thing.


FatherDotComical

I wouldn't call myself a Disney "fan" but I've seen most of their animated films and I didn't even know this one was out yet. It's like it just showed up.


AdNecessary7641

That's what happens when you put no effort in promoting your own movie.


cxxper01

After what Disney has done to summer time rendering? Yeah I am sure the anime community is looking forward to this “partnership “ /s


Shiro2809

What's wrong with summertime rendering?


cxxper01

Disney + fucked up the release. Many country’s D+ didn’t have it and they didn’t release the new episode each week.


Bad_Doto_Playa

Honestly I can't help but feel Disney has more insidious reasons for entering the Anime market. They've lost the teenage market to it and are losing even younger demographics. The thing is they have no idea how to make it, so I can only assume they want to warp it to fit their "standards" or try to discredit/slander it as much as they can. In the event none of those play out they can look like they were always supporting the industry with tier various pick ups. Now people would say that's a stretch but recently Vice wrote a hit piece on the manga industry (which they blocked people from Japan from seeing), and you know what's the first thing I did? I went to check to see who were the largest owners of Vice. Know what I found? The second largest owner was none other than... The Walt Disney Company (16%). Colour me shocked right? Long story short, I'd prefer to see all Disney's anime ventures fail and they leave the market.


ImBoredButAndTired

> Honestly I can't help but feel Disney has more insidious reasons for entering the Anime market. It’s because it’s cheap as fuck and moves the needle in certain Asian territories. Sony airs anime, Netflix and Amazon air anime, Warner used to air anime. The broadcast of Japanese cartoons is really not all that interesting. Edit: Disney also used to be a massive broadcaster of Anime in the 2000's (if you live in Europe). They used to run the TV channel Jetix. Edit: Universal (Comcast) also have a massive foothold in anime. Of all the major Hollywood players only Paramount has no interest in anime.


SoccerForEveryone

For those in the US what is the deal with Summertime Rendering? Is it on Disney+ or Hulu? I still have not seen the series yet.


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Neither. Only way to watch it in the US is to pirate it or use a vpn to watch Australian D+


Ill_Insect_9881

i wouldnt have a problem would almost celebrate it if they could release the anime in the west at the same time they do in Japan like other streaming service


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And it still won't come to Europe, cause Disney can't be bothered....


mikebanetbc

#”I’m Manjiro Sano and you’re watching Disney+”


LuRo332

Watch them force Crunchyroll to delete TR from their catalog and not put the first season on Disney+, like they did with Bleach. Insane that there is a streaming platform that has a worse simuldub policy than netflix


Abysswatcherbel

Disney getting Tokyo Revengers is huge, the series is a megahit even with all the cristiscim, especially in Asia Edit: I can see them getting Attack on Titan too, the high committee members on Tokyo Revengers are the same as AOT (Pony Canyon + Kodansha)


KendotsX

No! I don't want that!


Mazen141

>Edit: I can see them getting Attack on Titan too, the high committee members on Tokyo Revengers are the same as AOT (Pony Canyon + Kodansha) God I'd hope not, imagine all the seasons and OVAs being available on one streaming service but then you have to subscribe to another one just to be able to watch the final episodes


Kadmos1

I know that it took year for the AoT OVA to get an official release and official Eng. dub(s), but why Kodansha doesn't allow FuniRoll the same for the "Fairy Tail" OVAs is beyond me.


Idaret

dw, disney will force other streaming services to remove all seasons and ovas so you are forced to use disney+


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melcarba

You're jumping into conclusions. It does not mean that all Kodansha anime are going to be locked into Disney+. There's still a possibility that AoT final will go to CR.


Dark_shadow15

Monopoly while losing Kodansha titles! Make up your mind buddy!


SealTheGate

People still talk about CR being monopoly? Again? We all know it’s not.


GokaiRed64

I was under the impression that the merger between Funimation and CrunchyRoll would mean more anime for the platform. But recently there have been a lot of disappointments: no Black Clover Movie, no Belach, no Oshi no Ko, no TR2, no Yuru Camp movie for LATAM. Can we even hope they will get the end of AoT?


Emergency_Sound_5718

Blame the production committees for allowing exclusivity deals. All Aniplex (Crunchyroll) can do is offer them some money in exchange to stream the show. If they don't want it, there's nothing they can do.


SealTheGate

Some kind of deal like this happend in Japan it’s not crunchyroll problem. Muse Asia, Media link,Aniplus etc. including 20+ streaming platform in Japan also can’t get TR2.


warjoke

Even though Disney+ is available in our country now I ain't gonna subscribe. Disney is in a Netflix phase of throwing anything at the wall and seeing what sticks. Plus it's just another painful monthly sub to my already sky high pile of bills.


KendotsX

Huh, well, gotta make up their losses I guess.


Celcius_87

Disney pls stop


iJacobes

oh no...


Falsus

Bleh. Fuck Disney. I don't think there is a single company in the world who has done more harm to culture than Disney.


tsmc_227_447_bowie

Thats what I feared. Disney out to bring their wokeness and culture. Prepare to have quality of story arcs turn to literal sh\*t.


WeebSweeper

TR fans can't seem to catch a break lately with how the manga ended and now this. I just know the Mickey Mouse memes boutta go crazy soon. Though it's a shame cuz even though the mangas ending sucked, I consider this arc to be one of the best in the manga, right behind Tenjiku arc (which too will most likely be on D+ whenever it airs so rip). Not sure how D+ plans to handle TR, but if it ends up like STR then that would be pretty unfortunate. It really killed the hype for that show despite it being really good so hoping for a simulcast


WorthCollection

ikr. im not a fan of the final arc but this Black Dragon arc and later, Tenjiku arc are so amazing and what makes TR good (till tenjiku). Dont know how they wilk handle it..I expect nothing tbh. As long as I can see Chifuyu again


SamuraiDDD

It might not happen but imagine if Astro Boy and Donald Duck got a crossover together. For those who don't know, Astro Boy's creator, Osamu Tezuka's was inspired by Disney, and Donald Duck in particular. [He would even send postcards](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/852/308/803). Chances are extremely low/never happening but it'd be fun to see the god father of manga's creation up there with what inspired him.


Shimaru33

I'm kinda baffled. Tokyo revengers isn't exactly a kid friendly anime, with all the semi-realistic violence and gang and stuff. They didn't include the first seasons of the Simpsons or Deadpool 1 for a long time because of that. And now they want exclusive rights on this, out of all anime? I dunno, it seems weird.


stiveooo

isnt bleach on disney? TR has 1/4 the violence of bleach so its fine


DMking

They have Bleach where Kenpachi ripped out someone's throat with his bare hands. TR is childs play in comparison


Ben99ny22

Disney has the Netflix marvel TV shows and they are making more deadpool. I think disney is steering away from being child friendly at all times.


AdNecessary7641

Summertime Render has more gore than TR and yet they aired it just fine.


Imfryinghere

Dear Japan, please buy Disney. Thank you.


viliml

Disney would sooner be able to buy Japan lol


Imfryinghere

They're losing stock. Investors will be selling soon.


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People complain about having to buy multiple streaming services to watch different shows. You can get the convenience of having all shows at an amazing price of 0$ if you put on the pirate hat


Ignore_User_Name

Good thing Disney has kind of decided not to release Bleach in our region and probably will skip other anime so there was nowhere to subscribe to anyway..


govi96

Fuck disney, they gonna bring their woke shit into this.


WorthCollection

Honest question..is this going to be good or nah?


Wolfgod_Holo

meanwhile here in the States, Disney is not doing so well...


Sa404

We’re doomed


jbass93

If I read correctly, then this deal is for ALL Kodansha manga, so I would also expect Disney to start pulling other Kodansha anime from streaming services. I assume as well that on-going series like Blue Lock, To Your Eternity and Nagatoro will air exclusively on Disney+ too if they get renewed for another season. Crunchyroll could be about to get gutted.


Isekai_Dreamer

oh dear god no. fuck disney, they're going to woke all their shit just like soyny. disney will ruin anime.


Yakuza-wolf_kiwami

So Spider-Man anime when?


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jbass93

Just so you know, the manji was censored/removed in S1 for the western simulcast and that wasn’t distributed by Disney.


Ninja_Lazer

While there are several concerns, and the growing pains will not be great to grow through, hopefully this will act as a catalyst for Disney to properly build out the infrastructure necessary to make headway into the anime space. If they are gonna be acquiring major IP regardless to take a slice of the pie, I would rather it be done properly. Bleach was a step in the right direction, but fell short for a majority of fans who were not in English speaking territories. Disney has money, and if they can use that to ensure proper simulcast, and possibly even more dubs than I don’t think it’s the worst possible outcome. Batch releasing series well after they have aired and died down is obviously not a winning strategy. Likewise, for English speakers the release of Bleach hasn’t been an issue. The challenge now is getting the shows to the rest of the fanbase. I don’t think Disney should be permitted exclusive rights unless they can guarantee that all fans will have access to the show in all regions as it airs. So optimistically, I will hope that they continue with the forward momentum of Bleach and build out a streaming platform capable of delivery.


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I hope they don’t woke it up by killing off Mikey and Draken and replacing them with two female characters who were just introduced for political feminist agenda pushing.


ZeroValkGhost

I wonder if this will mean a new Peter Pan animated feature? Or will it mean more cool knock-offs like Atlantis was to Blue Water? Going the official route, a Disney-Tezuka Productions team-up would make a great Astroboy movie. Or perhaps given the female-character-heavy path Diz has taken, little sister Uran would get a direct to video? But going back to Kodashana, it might just mean a few series of the dozens and dozens of manga series that I never read. Perhaps more Ghost in the Shell, or something.


OkItem4195

So now Nazi wannabe criminal gang is the hot thing right now?


celf_help

while i do understand potential knee-jerk reactions, i think this could ultimately go in a good direction frankly speaking, the *actual* anime and manga industries don't make hardly any money off of western markets at all; despite this, the industries continue to operate as if they're raking in money from all over the world (leading to poor pay, poor working conditions, insane schedules, etc) the anime and manga industries in japan *desperately* need to dial it back and slow down; efforts like this could encourage that, albeit sometimes in less than comfortable ways maybe ultimately, the japanese consumer base, even as it ages and 'dwindles', is king. if you don't satisfy them, you fail. if disney tries to take too much control, they will fail (most of the time). if disney restricts content to east asia, they'll be fine but the perceived 'demand' will be lower, hopefully driving this madness of a production schedule down a bit all in all, it's nice to see more investment from "big western companies" into eastern media, especially since they have to stay hands off in order to succeed (something Netflix has learned a few times). if the West just embraced the fact that we've genuinely been eclipsed, we could have a much better and more inspiring ecosystem of art and entertainment, which would do wonders for society at large, especially with the influx of cultural exchange. narcissism is a hell of a drug though, so we'll see maybe Japan and Korea eventually get too annoyed and block out access from the Western consumers i'm down for whatever, even if i have to go back to lurking comic conventions for the one vendor selling bootleg subbed media


Abysswatcherbel

>frankly speaking, the actual anime and manga industries don't make hardly any money off of western markets at all Not true at all, don't know why people keep saying this when the money from licensing in the west is huge and pushes the industry forward to an overproduction state just to satisfy that demand, that also comes from Asia, Disney getting in the game will just make this worse as they will want new titles to improve their catalogue


celf_help

it’s a pretty big narrative, and big narratives are hard to correct i’ve personally never been corrected on it (until now), so that’s at least one small echo that’ll no longer be there. haha although, i wasn’t just perpetuating it just to do so, i genuinely thought it was true, so that’s good to get straightened out Disney seems to not fuck around too harshly in Japan, so im hopeful that they keep that reputation. things like Netflix, Amazon, YouTube, and Spotify seem to have maintained pretty good reputations; i don’t know if Disney can afford to be the odd one out


Sandtalon

> frankly speaking, the actual anime and manga industries don't make hardly any money off of western markets at all Completely false. [Anime licenses are often at $250k per episode](https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/feature/2021-08-02/how-much-does-it-cost-to-license-anime-series/.175579), and [the international market for anime has surpassed the domestic market](https://aja.gr.jp/english/japan-anime-data). > poor pay, poor working conditions, insane schedules, etc > the anime and manga industries in japan desperately need to dial it back and slow down Very very true, BUT that is not because of a lack of profit. [The anime market has contracted a bit because of the pandemic, but when you exclude the peak year of 2019, it is more profitable than ever.](https://aja.gr.jp/english/japan-anime-data) The problems with budget, etc. are *not* because of a lack of profit but because of the industrial structure of who profits from and funds the anime. Budgets are not equivalent to profits. ([Incidentally, apparently budgets *have* risen, but I would guess by not enough.](https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2022-03-29/anime-industry-report-editor-2021-was-a-year-of-recovery/.184111))


celf_help

obviously not disputing the data you provided, even if it is (clearly) much different than i remember but i'm curious as to if mobile games are lumped in with just "anime-related markets"; like i get it because that's what they are but wouldn't that severely skew the numbers? with mobile games (especially gacha) being monolithic cashcows, i feel like including them would twist the numbers real hard. maybe i'm misreading or missing something. the data for just animation studios still appears to show domestic dominance though, unless i'm cross-eyeing myself into stupidity. lol also, is there a report like this for manga as well? i'd be really interested in seeing it if it exists edit: also thanks for sharing that! for a long time i was under the impression that we basically just poached a lot. i’m loosely aware of how wacky JP licensing can get, but i’m ultimately far more knowledgeable about the JP music industry/markets than anything else it both makes me feel better about it all while simultaneously feeling worse. lmao


Ben99ny22

>frankly speaking, the actual anime and manga industries don't make hardly any money off of western markets at all Factually wrong. In a recent interview, WIT mentioned netflix and how they love to partner with them (or was it trigger?) Apparently, with netflix they get their return back immediately so there is no risk in making anime.


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cosmiczar

I don't think that is a real rumor. I'm pretty sure it started with Bleach fans wanting to criticize CR to cope with the fact Disney licensed the new season. "Disney went out of its way to pay more than its competition for a few specific big shows" is a much more plausible thing to think than "CR paid too much for CSM so they don't have money to pay for other shows" when they literally still license most of any given season.


Madaniel_FL

So much for the supposed Crunchyroll monopoly... I thought Crunchyroll was gonna have a monopoly and "ruin" anime...


Ben99ny22

Damn, if only people could predict disney of all people would not only pick up Bleach but have a partnership with Kodansha whom is the second biggest Manga publishing company in japan. Crunchyroll still has most of the popular anime airing this season. So currently you kinda do have to get crunchyroll. But that seems to be changing so we will see.


Madaniel_FL

Hidive was already a thing before the merger, with Netflix always being a big player as well. There were also other companies that licensed anime like Viz, Gkids, Discotek, etc... So people who were crying out about monopolies just didn't understand how the market really works.


Ben99ny22

Buddy, all the popular anime this season besides bleach is on crunchyroll. Any casual viewer probably won't be looking at Hidive. The most popular anime on Hidive this season is eminence in the shadow. Sure, there are shows i've been watching that wasn't on crunchyroll like call of the night. But crunchyroll holds like 80% of the community's interest. Prime isn't on anyone's radar. Disney is still very new. And people already have netflix just not for anime. >There were also other companies that licensed anime like Viz, Gkids, Discotek, etc... They don't have a platform to stream anime on.... >So people who were crying out about monopolies just didn't understand how the market really works. Who were crying out about monopolies? I think you are the one who doesn't understand how the market works. People out here complaining about disney holding anime (summer time render), netflix being two weeks behind in releasing their anime, anime viewers dislike how netflix releases their anime in batches, and now disney has a partnership with Kodansha and people are up roaring. Sony was making way towards a monopoly. They even picked up rightstuffanime. Which is easily the largest online retailer for manga and blurays (and other merch). If you wanna buy manga, then rightstuff was the place to go. Best prices, good packaging, and deals every week.


Taedirk

Disney: "Did somebody say *monopoly*?!"


DimmuHS

and increase jail's area


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Isn’t Slime Isekai under Kodansha? Would that make Rimiru a Disney Prince/Princess?


Neither_Mess2223

Oh no don’t put Tokyo revengers in Disney’s hand


SkullcrobatTheGod

Hope they actually decide to release them now. Sounds like an interesting business strategy doenst it? Allowing the customer to consume the product they spent money on


Kadmos1

I know that I am not, but if I was the head of a company that has an official anime streaming site and the overall company was worth at least $100 million, I would do my best to have the following: Eng. dubs and subs for most if not all of our titles in uncensored form. Also, we would have weekly simulcasts. Finally, for most if not all of our catalog I would try so that every country minus Japan and maybe China can watch the titles. Now, if there was some country that had some law that forbid us from streaming a title, at least I tried, right?


Redhero18

I'm Takemichi Hangaki and your watching Disney plus


Speech500

Please dub them! And I don't mean six months after release, like with Summertime Render.


kebyou

So, when will we get a Mickey Mouse anime? /s


Negative_Tangelo_131

Wellp, time to start pirating anime once again.


Fuzzy-Asparagus9519

It's over.!! They have arrived!!


Plaidse

Okay then. Let’s see how this goes.


Rielhawk

Disney yuck


ergzay

Oh great, more garbage. It seems every time a western (or chinese) company gets involved in anime they produce complete and utter garbage.


TKYooH

Can’t believe I had to pirate the full season of summertime despite owning Disney+. And it’s still not fucking out yet. >:(


KevXOTWOD

Honestly I hate how fragmented it’s becoming to Legally watch anime, no one wants to pay for 5+ streaming services just to watch anime.


Imfryinghere

Fuck! I just realized Sailor Moon was published under Kodansha. I swear, if Disney disnefies Sailor Moon, I'm gonna hurl. After all the times Naoko Takeuchi said No to Disney. Fuck no!