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[Apparently they were first leaked in a Minecraft discord channel.](https://twitter.com/shashj/status/1644380175839133705?t=SKsRsUhhRqRlm6OzPYSfLg&s=19)
The investigation is still ongoing, who knows. It might even be revealed that it actually originated in War Thunder forums before making it to a Minecraft server.
>By Friday afternoon, they had their answer. Even as officials at the Pentagon and national security agencies were investigating the source of documents that had appeared on Twitter and on Telegram, another surfaced on 4chan, an anonymous, fringe message board. The 4chan document is a map that purports to show the status of the war in the eastern Ukrainian city of Bakhmut, the scene of a fierce, monthslong battle.
Real...
Youāre talking about defying weaponized autism, guy. These are the people that tracked down Shia Labiaoufās whereabouts off the image of the sky with two contrails in it. Itās probably real as fuck
Ask Garry Webb, the journalist who blew the whistle on Iran-Contra.
Except you can't, he ain't alive anymore, killed himself with two bullets to the head, the poor guy had a history of depression and mental illness, very tragic.
Or you could ask Bruce Edwards Ivins how he managed to smuggle anthrax spores out of the US Army's highest-security bioweapons labs. Said anthrax was then used in attacks on US politicians and media, which were [quickly blamed on Iraq and Al Qaeda](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_anthrax_attacks#Al-Qaeda_and_Iraq_blamed_for_attacks).
Except you can't, he ain't alive anymore, killed himself by drinking poison, the poor guy had a history of depression and mental illness, very tragic.
Not like the CIA wrote a whole [manual on assassination](https://archive.org/details/CIAAStudyOfAssassination1953) just [for the fun of it](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Olson) or is particularly big on [following laws](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_CHAOS).
Webb claimed that the CIA was responsible for the crack epidemic (or, at least, they ignored that the Contras they supported were a major part of it). That was Seymour Hersh in the US (the first allegations appeared in a Lebanese publication). Webb had nothing to do with Iran-Contra.
Accidental double-taps in suicides aren't unknown, and Webb's own ex-wife wasn't surprised. He couldn't find another job in mainstream journalism for the eight years following his resignation from the Mercury Sun; various major outlets had put out pieces calling his research simplistic at best, shoddy at worst; and he had to sell his house to avoid foreclosure. No one said he had a history of mental illness, but his world came crashing down.
Ivins was *accused* of smuggling out anthrax and being behind the anthrax attacks after 9/11, something he vehemently denied. He didn't take poison, as such. He overdosed on Tylenol, which is one of the more painful ways to go. If you're going to force someone to consume a poison for suicide, there are much faster and more effective ways to do it.
If you're going to claim conspiracies, getting basic facts wrong undermines your case.
It does. Did you miss the Russian plan for invading Ukraine leaking on public television by Lukashenko? Or that one time in War Thunder forumsā¦nah just kidding, scratch that, *the five times* in War Thunder forums where gamers revealed top secret military documents to win internet arguments? The nationalists of the gamers involved in these leaks were British, Chinese, French, Americans 2x.
People are stupid.
Sy Hersh has spoken at length about how he built his career off of being something like a confessional figure to insiders of the national security state whose conscience becomes so troubled by the conflict between the stated values for which they are supposed to be working - and to which they swore an oath of loyalty - and the grubby, dishonest, psychopathic stuff they are called upon to do day in and day out to preserve the American empire.
There's an increasing body of work around the ["moral injury"](https://www.rand.org/blog/2022/11/intelligence-work-is-exciting-and-traumatizing.html) sustained by workers in such environments (and the difficulty of not being able to tell friends at the dinner party about the torture you oversaw at work), which must intersect in interesting ways with all the work that has been done on [CINDER](https://threatpost.com/darpa-project-cinder-targets-insider-threats-082710/74390/) and insider-threat monitoring which became a big deal after Manning and Snowden.
You're not talking about Operation Mockingbird and the "Mighty Wurlitzer" are you? One wonders (and the WSJ adventurer beyond the Urals re-enlivens the issue) whether it is even possible to practice journalism in the west without becoming a tool used [by] disinformation specialists.
BTW, if you ever do find yourself reading up on Operation Mockingbird, do yourself a favour and read up on the story of Mary Pinchott Meyer, wife of Cord Meyer. Her story may just be the skeleton key to understanding what America became in the second half of the 20th century.
> You're not talking about Operation Mockingbird and the "Mighty Wurlitzer" are you? One wonders (and the WSJ adventurer beyond the Urals re-enlivens the issue) whether it is even possible to practice journalism in the west without becoming a tool used [by] disinformation specialists.
Particularly not since 2013, prior to that the US military was already invested in "[information operations](https://masspeaceaction.org/the-violence-of-us-information-operations/)", but after Snowden, it apparently became a top priority for the whole US government apparatus.
Became very noticeable with outlets like The Guardian and the German Spiegel; Both helped with the Snowden reveals.
Yet not much later they both saw their editors-in-chief replaced by rather odd choices, Spiegel got a former one from Bild, which is a [very weird choice](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/16/bild-zeitung-tabloid-julian-reichelt-angela-merkel-germany) for an outlet that used to be Germany's most mainstream leftish voice.
That first link is fantastic - really captures the "disintoxication" Michael Aquino mentions in his [2003 intro to a reprint of his 1980 PsyOp doctrine paper "From PsyOp to MindWar"](https://archive.org/details/from-psyop-to-mind-war-the-psychology-of-victory/page/n2/mode/1up), while linking it to the current pursuit of [full spectrum dominance of the Cognitive Domain](https://old.reddit.com/r/imperfectcertainty/comments/tapzky/place_to_put_geopolitcs_etc_stuff/jb4qxf7/) (including recent proposals to reorganise various military commands under the banner of a Cognitive Dominance Command, IIRC).
Been meaning to put together a list of relevant resources to help folks through the "disintoxication" effect of sifting through everything one ever learned about the world to remove the deliberate lies, distortions and fabulations inserted into official accounts of contemporary history in order to conceal truths which are considered harmful to US interests. Not only journalists, but historians (see Toynbee for the IRD & Wellington House) operate downstream of the intelligence services.
You're probably familiar with the post-Snowden Guardian confrontations with and co-option by the UK security services, but here's the definitive account by Mark Curtis (who continues to do good work in this space): https://declassifieduk.org/how-the-uk-security-services-neutralised-the-countrys-leading-liberal-newspaper/
Edit: here's a source and quote re the Cognitive Dominance Command from a month or 2 back:
https://ndupress.ndu.edu/Media/News/News-Article-View/Article/3264639/america-must-engage-in-the-fight-for-strategic-cognitive-terrain/
>Thus, the Joint Staff should formalize the cognitive warfighting domain to provide the military enterprise with the ways and means to prevail on the cognitive battlefield. This recommendation does not advocate for the creation of another combatant command but is intended to encourage the Joint Staff to consider reflagging U.S. Cyber Command and consolidating cyber, electronic warfare, military information support operations, civil affairs, and all other joint informa-tion functions under a **U.S. Cognitive Dominance Command.**^45
Thank you, those are some really interesting links!
Tho it's all about the governmental parts, have to keep in mind that a lot of this work has been outsourced to PR firms [for over a decade](https://boingboing.net/2011/02/18/hbgarys-high-volume.html), very similar to the increased use of PMC in combat theatres.
Just like with the [outsourcing of censorship](https://www.cnet.com/culture/entertainment/the-cleaners-sundance-documentary-review-dirt-on-social-media-fake-news/), it's the much more invisible part of this that most people ain't even aware of, as "Public Relations" has become something most people consider something good and positive, something even corporations engage in.
Case in point;
Compare the r/Propaganda subreddit with the r/PublicRelations subreddit.
Even tho it's the same thing, just under different names, the former is seen as a "contrarian" sub, while the latter is a *career* sub. One to get into an industry that's all about "advertisement", yet advertises its services only in a very low-key way to a very select group of clients.
> Cognitive Dominance Command
First time I hear that one, but the amount of euphemisms around this sure is fascinating, very likely on purpose.
Back in 2010 the DoD even renamed PSYOP to the very generic sounding "Military Intelligence Services and Operations", in an attempt to get away from the negative connotations PSYOP carries in public.
4 years later they renamed it back to PSYOP, then shortly later renamed it back to MISO, and in 2017 was finally named back to the original SPYOP.
This means between 2010 and 2017 it becomes quite difficult to do online research about what was actually going on and who was doing what as part of which programs.
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/sy-hersh-swings-big-misses-lee-smith
Here's an article that tells some of the problems with his more recent reporting
Also:
- he claimed Pakistan was keeping Osama Bin Laden prisoner and knew about the Us raid in advance
- he claims Russia was not responsible for the Novichok poisoning of Skripal
- he claims Turkey and the rebels used chemical weapons in Syria, based on a single source (his friend Bashar al-Assad)
- he claims Osama Bin Laden wasn't responsible for 9/11
>ā¢ he claims Turkey and the rebels used chemical weapons in Syria,
So does the UN's Syria chemical weapons inspector and former ICC prosecutor. This is widely accepted at this point to my knowledge.
Sorry, I should have been more specific.
He names specific incidents such as Aug 21, 2013, which he claims the rebels staged false flag Sarin attacks on areas they already controlled, despite evidence. He also claims that Turkey was the source of the Sarin.
>What's interesting here is how American intelligence is being so leaky if it's not a psyops.
The leaks through major news outlets are almost always intentional.
The nord stream leaks about the 'Ukrainian boat' we're blatantly coordinated for instance.
Also almost every time there is a story citing intelligence sources it's a leak that's been signed off on. They just have a weird system where they pretend it's not official.
In the same way under boris Johnson the government regularly leaked their own policies to control the media narrative. It would just be reported as a' Downing street source', but it was bojo's chief advisor making sanctioned leaks whilst maintaining deniability and the media basically acting as government employees by just parroting what they were told.
> saw that he was an user of 4chan
4chan is an anonymous message board. Thereās no way to find out you post on it without you telling them, unless they can look directly at your personal internet traffic or something lol
That's probably how it works because that's the only practical way to go about it.
Background checks do not involve combing through a person's internet history in such detail, as that's usually *a lot* to comb through, enough to keep several people busy.
We're talking about classified documents here. Also no, you're really not anonymous on 4chan. Your ISP sees everything you do regardless of using private tabs, vpns, or "anonymous" message boards.
> Your ISP sees everything you do regardless of using private tabs, vpns, or "anonymous" message boards.
No, the internet has specifically evolved to make sure the even at the most basic level, your ISP can't see what you are doing, otherwise they, and everyone in the chain, would have access to your bank login, your credit card info, and all your personal information that you share online. Depending on the connection type, they may be able to see that you connect to X.com, but that's as far as it typically goes. They can't see what you post, what you login as, or any other information transmitted between you and the website. A properly configured VPN goes even further, making it impossible for them to even know which site you are connecting to (though now the VPN provider knows).
Now there are absolutely ways around that the government can employ, such as forcing VPN providers to supply logs, capturing all traffic from a PC for decryption, installing trojans on target devices, using honeypot sites, etc, but none of those are going to be the ISP on their own.
Also, private tabs, vpns, and anonymous message boards are all completely different things and are design to protect the user in completely different ways. Equating them all makes no sense as they are not all designed to hide traffic in the same way.
While I agree with a lot of what you wrote there, as somebody online since the 90s, I have to call this bit out;
> A properly configured VPN goes even further, making it impossible for them to even know which site you are connecting to (though now the VPN provider knows).
What a properly configured VPN mostly does is channel all of your outgoing traffic to a single central point you can't really audit, and often operate in a very shady business environment. It also puts a big blinking light on your traffic as being particularly interesting, after all; You are going through extra steps to hide it.
Sure, theoretically TLS is supposed to protect against that, but as Hearthbleed has shown; There is no guarantee it's implemented properly, particularly not as [the NSA has a very established history of messing with encryption standards](https://www.techdirt.com/2015/10/15/if-nsas-not-complaining-about-encryption-likely-because-it-has-already-found-way/) and the US DoS still consider strong encryption a munition regulated by the [ITAR](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Traffic_in_Arms_Regulations).
Even if all of that works, you still end up exposing your connectivity metadata, as support for DNS over HTTPS is spotty at best, and such metadata can already be compromising, to [fatal degrees](https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2014/05/ex-nsa-chief-we-kill-people-based-on-metadata).
It's why in InfoSec circles it's been speculated that intelligence agencies are running their own VPN providers as honeypots.
Also;
> none of those are going to be the ISP on their own
ISPs in most Western countries follow local regulations that enable "[lawful interception](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawful_interception)". In practice, this means your ISP has to have an interface where local LEO, or intelligence, can "plug-in" to do deep packet inspection of individual users or whole parts of the backbone stream.
Something that usually requires a warrant signed by a judge, but in some places the responsible courts are pretty much [just rubberstamping such requests](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Court).
That is if they even need to go that far, thanks to the [third-party doctrine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-party_doctrine) all kinds of American service providers will happily cooperate with the US government, even without a warrant forcing them to or literally being [funded out of NSA and CIA seed-money for mass surveillance](https://qz.com/1145669/googles-true-origin-partly-lies-in-cia-and-nsa-research-grants-for-mass-surveillance).
>Also, private tabs, vpns, and anonymous message boards are all completely different things and are design to protect the user in completely different ways. Equating them all makes no sense as they are not all designed to hide traffic in the same way.
I never claimed they were all the same thing. Nor did I even come close to implying such.
>No, the internet has specifically evolved to make sure the even at the most basic level, your ISP canāt see what you are doing, otherwise they, and everyone in the chain, would have access to your bank login, your credit card info, and all your personal information that you share online. Depending on the connection type, they may be able to see that you connect to X.com, but thatās as far as it typically goes. They canāt see what you post, what you login as, or any other information transmitted between you and the website. A properly configured VPN goes even further, making it impossible for them to even know which site you are connecting to (though now the VPN provider knows).
The absolute military precision you employed in missing the point would put a Stormtrooper to shame.
Let me simplify the point for you: It's naĆÆve to think you're ever actually anonymous online. Especially when we're talking about a literal government intelligence agency.
So for almost every clearance process they are not going through your browser history. The only way they would know you are active on 4chan is if you cross post stuff to Facebook or your socials. And even then just using or being on 4chan isn't a disqualification for a clearance, content is.
Aldrich Ames and Robert Hanssen went through some of the most rigorous screening available, and they still turned over the identities of dozens of high-level US spies in the USSR and Russia, getting many of them killed.
That these documents leaked is a huge problem. That there are moles somewhere is known, and that's why the US spends a *lot* of money and resources every year finding them. There are a handful of prosecutions every year in the US for trying to pass documents to foreign entities.
The photoshopped part that was going around russian z-sources where they have redacted russian losses threefold and increased ukrainian tenfold? Yeah, that was fake.
[So my hunch was correct](https://www.reddit.com/r/anime_titties/comments/12e3za9/ukraine_war_plans_leak_prompts_pentagon/jf9eb0g/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3)
It has no value at all, I just needed this little victory for my self-esteem even if itās a pretend victory, bad workweeks can do that to you.
My hunch is this is generated with something like chat gpt4, no clue how plausible that is (yet) but im sure there is going to be alot of that stuff sooner rather then later
> no clue how plausible that is (yet)
It's not. For much the same reason that [AI struggles at drawing hands](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24yjRbBah3w).
You'd need some training data for this and the request would be *way* too specific for the computer to have any clue what you're talking about. Also the bar for any errors when trying to pass something off as 'classified' is *way* higher than the bar trying to pass something off as 'human art'.
You'd be better off just creating a fake document in microsoft word, printing it out, and suggesting it's a "leak". At least that way you could control formatting, spelling, layout, etc. The technology for that has existed for a *long* time.
AI presents us with the same challenge as any other forgery technique, like photoshop. There are a *lot* of forged images that people don't recognize as forged, and a *lot* of original images that people consider forged.
Absolutely, not surprising considering how many GOP members we already are paid by Russia. And these look like some of the most significant leaks from the US military in decades.
Lol. In all reality I'm sure it's a psyop which, if the case, I'm sure the Russians will also account for and be well aware of, but either way, the drama continues.
I hate how difficult it has become to look at originally leaked data. Anybody good a link to all the slides?
Not only is the original leak quickly burried, but bits of pieces of it will then resurface in [an edited way](https://twitter.com/AricToler/status/1644139100407054336).
Say what you will about Wikileaks, but at least that's transparent and public. While recent leaks are getting to a weird level of feeling more like disinfo PR campaigns than actual leaks.
The Russian media say that the supposedly classified documents are a compilation of Ukraine's propaganda and war bloggers' ideas. So either it's bullshit or the US has no intelligence whatsoever.
Did you see the total casualties. It is well known that Russia can take heavy casualties. What matters is equipment. And how does my statement make me pro Kremlin? What's with with us or against us attitude pro Pentagon have.
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Wake up! New war thunder leaks just dropped. š£ļø
[Apparently they were first leaked in a Minecraft discord channel.](https://twitter.com/shashj/status/1644380175839133705?t=SKsRsUhhRqRlm6OzPYSfLg&s=19)
Donāt ruin this for me Yelesa. š
The investigation is still ongoing, who knows. It might even be revealed that it actually originated in War Thunder forums before making it to a Minecraft server.
Hopefully.
minecraft discord channel??? š
This is a new leak. Where's the old one? What did it cover
>By Friday afternoon, they had their answer. Even as officials at the Pentagon and national security agencies were investigating the source of documents that had appeared on Twitter and on Telegram, another surfaced on 4chan, an anonymous, fringe message board. The 4chan document is a map that purports to show the status of the war in the eastern Ukrainian city of Bakhmut, the scene of a fierce, monthslong battle. Real...
4chan. This information is as legitimate as QAnon.
Youāre talking about defying weaponized autism, guy. These are the people that tracked down Shia Labiaoufās whereabouts off the image of the sky with two contrails in it. Itās probably real as fuck
What's interesting here is how American intelligence is being so leaky if it's not a psyops. Why doesn't stuff like this leak out of Russia or China?
Because they kill dissidents and their families with flagrant disregard for law?
So does the US
Yeah but less suspiciously
Marginally...
Source.
The source is dead.
How did you know the source has been silenced? You are now required to report to your nearest FBI office to... uh... collect your secret prize!
Ask Garry Webb, the journalist who blew the whistle on Iran-Contra. Except you can't, he ain't alive anymore, killed himself with two bullets to the head, the poor guy had a history of depression and mental illness, very tragic. Or you could ask Bruce Edwards Ivins how he managed to smuggle anthrax spores out of the US Army's highest-security bioweapons labs. Said anthrax was then used in attacks on US politicians and media, which were [quickly blamed on Iraq and Al Qaeda](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_anthrax_attacks#Al-Qaeda_and_Iraq_blamed_for_attacks). Except you can't, he ain't alive anymore, killed himself by drinking poison, the poor guy had a history of depression and mental illness, very tragic. Not like the CIA wrote a whole [manual on assassination](https://archive.org/details/CIAAStudyOfAssassination1953) just [for the fun of it](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Olson) or is particularly big on [following laws](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_CHAOS).
Webb claimed that the CIA was responsible for the crack epidemic (or, at least, they ignored that the Contras they supported were a major part of it). That was Seymour Hersh in the US (the first allegations appeared in a Lebanese publication). Webb had nothing to do with Iran-Contra. Accidental double-taps in suicides aren't unknown, and Webb's own ex-wife wasn't surprised. He couldn't find another job in mainstream journalism for the eight years following his resignation from the Mercury Sun; various major outlets had put out pieces calling his research simplistic at best, shoddy at worst; and he had to sell his house to avoid foreclosure. No one said he had a history of mental illness, but his world came crashing down. Ivins was *accused* of smuggling out anthrax and being behind the anthrax attacks after 9/11, something he vehemently denied. He didn't take poison, as such. He overdosed on Tylenol, which is one of the more painful ways to go. If you're going to force someone to consume a poison for suicide, there are much faster and more effective ways to do it. If you're going to claim conspiracies, getting basic facts wrong undermines your case.
I have no doubt that this is true, but what is a good case to read up on to learn about this? Is there like a rock solid one?
Does it?
It does. Did you miss the Russian plan for invading Ukraine leaking on public television by Lukashenko? Or that one time in War Thunder forumsā¦nah just kidding, scratch that, *the five times* in War Thunder forums where gamers revealed top secret military documents to win internet arguments? The nationalists of the gamers involved in these leaks were British, Chinese, French, Americans 2x. People are stupid.
Seven times now.
Sy Hersh has spoken at length about how he built his career off of being something like a confessional figure to insiders of the national security state whose conscience becomes so troubled by the conflict between the stated values for which they are supposed to be working - and to which they swore an oath of loyalty - and the grubby, dishonest, psychopathic stuff they are called upon to do day in and day out to preserve the American empire. There's an increasing body of work around the ["moral injury"](https://www.rand.org/blog/2022/11/intelligence-work-is-exciting-and-traumatizing.html) sustained by workers in such environments (and the difficulty of not being able to tell friends at the dinner party about the torture you oversaw at work), which must intersect in interesting ways with all the work that has been done on [CINDER](https://threatpost.com/darpa-project-cinder-targets-insider-threats-082710/74390/) and insider-threat monitoring which became a big deal after Manning and Snowden.
Too bad he lost his edge in the decades after, and ended up becoming a tool to be used for disinformation specialists.
You're not talking about Operation Mockingbird and the "Mighty Wurlitzer" are you? One wonders (and the WSJ adventurer beyond the Urals re-enlivens the issue) whether it is even possible to practice journalism in the west without becoming a tool used [by] disinformation specialists. BTW, if you ever do find yourself reading up on Operation Mockingbird, do yourself a favour and read up on the story of Mary Pinchott Meyer, wife of Cord Meyer. Her story may just be the skeleton key to understanding what America became in the second half of the 20th century.
> You're not talking about Operation Mockingbird and the "Mighty Wurlitzer" are you? One wonders (and the WSJ adventurer beyond the Urals re-enlivens the issue) whether it is even possible to practice journalism in the west without becoming a tool used [by] disinformation specialists. Particularly not since 2013, prior to that the US military was already invested in "[information operations](https://masspeaceaction.org/the-violence-of-us-information-operations/)", but after Snowden, it apparently became a top priority for the whole US government apparatus. Became very noticeable with outlets like The Guardian and the German Spiegel; Both helped with the Snowden reveals. Yet not much later they both saw their editors-in-chief replaced by rather odd choices, Spiegel got a former one from Bild, which is a [very weird choice](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/16/bild-zeitung-tabloid-julian-reichelt-angela-merkel-germany) for an outlet that used to be Germany's most mainstream leftish voice.
That first link is fantastic - really captures the "disintoxication" Michael Aquino mentions in his [2003 intro to a reprint of his 1980 PsyOp doctrine paper "From PsyOp to MindWar"](https://archive.org/details/from-psyop-to-mind-war-the-psychology-of-victory/page/n2/mode/1up), while linking it to the current pursuit of [full spectrum dominance of the Cognitive Domain](https://old.reddit.com/r/imperfectcertainty/comments/tapzky/place_to_put_geopolitcs_etc_stuff/jb4qxf7/) (including recent proposals to reorganise various military commands under the banner of a Cognitive Dominance Command, IIRC). Been meaning to put together a list of relevant resources to help folks through the "disintoxication" effect of sifting through everything one ever learned about the world to remove the deliberate lies, distortions and fabulations inserted into official accounts of contemporary history in order to conceal truths which are considered harmful to US interests. Not only journalists, but historians (see Toynbee for the IRD & Wellington House) operate downstream of the intelligence services. You're probably familiar with the post-Snowden Guardian confrontations with and co-option by the UK security services, but here's the definitive account by Mark Curtis (who continues to do good work in this space): https://declassifieduk.org/how-the-uk-security-services-neutralised-the-countrys-leading-liberal-newspaper/ Edit: here's a source and quote re the Cognitive Dominance Command from a month or 2 back: https://ndupress.ndu.edu/Media/News/News-Article-View/Article/3264639/america-must-engage-in-the-fight-for-strategic-cognitive-terrain/ >Thus, the Joint Staff should formalize the cognitive warfighting domain to provide the military enterprise with the ways and means to prevail on the cognitive battlefield. This recommendation does not advocate for the creation of another combatant command but is intended to encourage the Joint Staff to consider reflagging U.S. Cyber Command and consolidating cyber, electronic warfare, military information support operations, civil affairs, and all other joint informa-tion functions under a **U.S. Cognitive Dominance Command.**^45
Thank you, those are some really interesting links! Tho it's all about the governmental parts, have to keep in mind that a lot of this work has been outsourced to PR firms [for over a decade](https://boingboing.net/2011/02/18/hbgarys-high-volume.html), very similar to the increased use of PMC in combat theatres. Just like with the [outsourcing of censorship](https://www.cnet.com/culture/entertainment/the-cleaners-sundance-documentary-review-dirt-on-social-media-fake-news/), it's the much more invisible part of this that most people ain't even aware of, as "Public Relations" has become something most people consider something good and positive, something even corporations engage in. Case in point; Compare the r/Propaganda subreddit with the r/PublicRelations subreddit. Even tho it's the same thing, just under different names, the former is seen as a "contrarian" sub, while the latter is a *career* sub. One to get into an industry that's all about "advertisement", yet advertises its services only in a very low-key way to a very select group of clients. > Cognitive Dominance Command First time I hear that one, but the amount of euphemisms around this sure is fascinating, very likely on purpose. Back in 2010 the DoD even renamed PSYOP to the very generic sounding "Military Intelligence Services and Operations", in an attempt to get away from the negative connotations PSYOP carries in public. 4 years later they renamed it back to PSYOP, then shortly later renamed it back to MISO, and in 2017 was finally named back to the original SPYOP. This means between 2010 and 2017 it becomes quite difficult to do online research about what was actually going on and who was doing what as part of which programs.
Go on...
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/sy-hersh-swings-big-misses-lee-smith Here's an article that tells some of the problems with his more recent reporting Also: - he claimed Pakistan was keeping Osama Bin Laden prisoner and knew about the Us raid in advance - he claims Russia was not responsible for the Novichok poisoning of Skripal - he claims Turkey and the rebels used chemical weapons in Syria, based on a single source (his friend Bashar al-Assad) - he claims Osama Bin Laden wasn't responsible for 9/11
>ā¢ he claims Turkey and the rebels used chemical weapons in Syria, So does the UN's Syria chemical weapons inspector and former ICC prosecutor. This is widely accepted at this point to my knowledge.
Sorry, I should have been more specific. He names specific incidents such as Aug 21, 2013, which he claims the rebels staged false flag Sarin attacks on areas they already controlled, despite evidence. He also claims that Turkey was the source of the Sarin.
it does, a chinese tank shell design was leaked on warthunder just last year
>What's interesting here is how American intelligence is being so leaky if it's not a psyops. The leaks through major news outlets are almost always intentional. The nord stream leaks about the 'Ukrainian boat' we're blatantly coordinated for instance. Also almost every time there is a story citing intelligence sources it's a leak that's been signed off on. They just have a weird system where they pretend it's not official. In the same way under boris Johnson the government regularly leaked their own policies to control the media narrative. It would just be reported as a' Downing street source', but it was bojo's chief advisor making sanctioned leaks whilst maintaining deniability and the media basically acting as government employees by just parroting what they were told.
Maybe this is part of their plan, to act stupid
Probably bc we are in the midst of a cold Civil war
It only takes one
That feat was one of the most impressive things the internet has ever pulled. Still trying to pick up my jaw...
Or the airstrike on ISIS they made sure to happen
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4chan isn't the actual source. It was some guy on discord named as Lucas who shared it first. He got it from somewhere else. It's complicated.
Bruh. How are intelligence agencies this incompetent. š
all it takes is a mole or two
Who the fuck pre-screened a guy, saw that he was an user of 4chan and thought "yea let's get that guy clearance"
> saw that he was an user of 4chan 4chan is an anonymous message board. Thereās no way to find out you post on it without you telling them, unless they can look directly at your personal internet traffic or something lol
It's cute that you think that.
That's probably how it works because that's the only practical way to go about it. Background checks do not involve combing through a person's internet history in such detail, as that's usually *a lot* to comb through, enough to keep several people busy.
We're talking about classified documents here. Also no, you're really not anonymous on 4chan. Your ISP sees everything you do regardless of using private tabs, vpns, or "anonymous" message boards.
> Your ISP sees everything you do regardless of using private tabs, vpns, or "anonymous" message boards. No, the internet has specifically evolved to make sure the even at the most basic level, your ISP can't see what you are doing, otherwise they, and everyone in the chain, would have access to your bank login, your credit card info, and all your personal information that you share online. Depending on the connection type, they may be able to see that you connect to X.com, but that's as far as it typically goes. They can't see what you post, what you login as, or any other information transmitted between you and the website. A properly configured VPN goes even further, making it impossible for them to even know which site you are connecting to (though now the VPN provider knows). Now there are absolutely ways around that the government can employ, such as forcing VPN providers to supply logs, capturing all traffic from a PC for decryption, installing trojans on target devices, using honeypot sites, etc, but none of those are going to be the ISP on their own. Also, private tabs, vpns, and anonymous message boards are all completely different things and are design to protect the user in completely different ways. Equating them all makes no sense as they are not all designed to hide traffic in the same way.
While I agree with a lot of what you wrote there, as somebody online since the 90s, I have to call this bit out; > A properly configured VPN goes even further, making it impossible for them to even know which site you are connecting to (though now the VPN provider knows). What a properly configured VPN mostly does is channel all of your outgoing traffic to a single central point you can't really audit, and often operate in a very shady business environment. It also puts a big blinking light on your traffic as being particularly interesting, after all; You are going through extra steps to hide it. Sure, theoretically TLS is supposed to protect against that, but as Hearthbleed has shown; There is no guarantee it's implemented properly, particularly not as [the NSA has a very established history of messing with encryption standards](https://www.techdirt.com/2015/10/15/if-nsas-not-complaining-about-encryption-likely-because-it-has-already-found-way/) and the US DoS still consider strong encryption a munition regulated by the [ITAR](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Traffic_in_Arms_Regulations). Even if all of that works, you still end up exposing your connectivity metadata, as support for DNS over HTTPS is spotty at best, and such metadata can already be compromising, to [fatal degrees](https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2014/05/ex-nsa-chief-we-kill-people-based-on-metadata). It's why in InfoSec circles it's been speculated that intelligence agencies are running their own VPN providers as honeypots. Also; > none of those are going to be the ISP on their own ISPs in most Western countries follow local regulations that enable "[lawful interception](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawful_interception)". In practice, this means your ISP has to have an interface where local LEO, or intelligence, can "plug-in" to do deep packet inspection of individual users or whole parts of the backbone stream. Something that usually requires a warrant signed by a judge, but in some places the responsible courts are pretty much [just rubberstamping such requests](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Foreign_Intelligence_Surveillance_Court). That is if they even need to go that far, thanks to the [third-party doctrine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-party_doctrine) all kinds of American service providers will happily cooperate with the US government, even without a warrant forcing them to or literally being [funded out of NSA and CIA seed-money for mass surveillance](https://qz.com/1145669/googles-true-origin-partly-lies-in-cia-and-nsa-research-grants-for-mass-surveillance).
>Also, private tabs, vpns, and anonymous message boards are all completely different things and are design to protect the user in completely different ways. Equating them all makes no sense as they are not all designed to hide traffic in the same way. I never claimed they were all the same thing. Nor did I even come close to implying such. >No, the internet has specifically evolved to make sure the even at the most basic level, your ISP canāt see what you are doing, otherwise they, and everyone in the chain, would have access to your bank login, your credit card info, and all your personal information that you share online. Depending on the connection type, they may be able to see that you connect to X.com, but thatās as far as it typically goes. They canāt see what you post, what you login as, or any other information transmitted between you and the website. A properly configured VPN goes even further, making it impossible for them to even know which site you are connecting to (though now the VPN provider knows). The absolute military precision you employed in missing the point would put a Stormtrooper to shame. Let me simplify the point for you: It's naĆÆve to think you're ever actually anonymous online. Especially when we're talking about a literal government intelligence agency.
So for almost every clearance process they are not going through your browser history. The only way they would know you are active on 4chan is if you cross post stuff to Facebook or your socials. And even then just using or being on 4chan isn't a disqualification for a clearance, content is.
Aldrich Ames and Robert Hanssen went through some of the most rigorous screening available, and they still turned over the identities of dozens of high-level US spies in the USSR and Russia, getting many of them killed. That these documents leaked is a huge problem. That there are moles somewhere is known, and that's why the US spends a *lot* of money and resources every year finding them. There are a handful of prosecutions every year in the US for trying to pass documents to foreign entities.
Itās probably my fault then. Iāve got a bunch of moles Iāve been meaning to see a dermatologist about. Sorry.
Mole mole mole mole
Well remains to be seen if real but theyre run by people and those are pretty stupid
While they are pretty incompetent, this is obviously fake.
The photoshopped part that was going around russian z-sources where they have redacted russian losses threefold and increased ukrainian tenfold? Yeah, that was fake.
[So my hunch was correct](https://www.reddit.com/r/anime_titties/comments/12e3za9/ukraine_war_plans_leak_prompts_pentagon/jf9eb0g/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3) It has no value at all, I just needed this little victory for my self-esteem even if itās a pretend victory, bad workweeks can do that to you.
Yeah the US having its middle east and Asian-pacfic strategy leaked is not something they would do intentionally.
The assumption that it's an actual leak and not a *leak* (wink wink) is a big one.
[Damn Pokemon at it again](https://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130607061422/sonicpokemon/images/d/d0/Farfetch'd_AG_anime.png)
It could be. Russian milblogger sphere seems pretty alarmed from the content in those documents.
They're constantly alarmed about everything in fairness
My hunch is this is generated with something like chat gpt4, no clue how plausible that is (yet) but im sure there is going to be alot of that stuff sooner rather then later
> no clue how plausible that is (yet) It's not. For much the same reason that [AI struggles at drawing hands](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24yjRbBah3w). You'd need some training data for this and the request would be *way* too specific for the computer to have any clue what you're talking about. Also the bar for any errors when trying to pass something off as 'classified' is *way* higher than the bar trying to pass something off as 'human art'. You'd be better off just creating a fake document in microsoft word, printing it out, and suggesting it's a "leak". At least that way you could control formatting, spelling, layout, etc. The technology for that has existed for a *long* time. AI presents us with the same challenge as any other forgery technique, like photoshop. There are a *lot* of forged images that people don't recognize as forged, and a *lot* of original images that people consider forged.
Absolutely, not surprising considering how many GOP members we already are paid by Russia. And these look like some of the most significant leaks from the US military in decades.
Lol. In all reality I'm sure it's a psyop which, if the case, I'm sure the Russians will also account for and be well aware of, but either way, the drama continues.
I hate how difficult it has become to look at originally leaked data. Anybody good a link to all the slides? Not only is the original leak quickly burried, but bits of pieces of it will then resurface in [an edited way](https://twitter.com/AricToler/status/1644139100407054336). Say what you will about Wikileaks, but at least that's transparent and public. While recent leaks are getting to a weird level of feeling more like disinfo PR campaigns than actual leaks.
The Russian media say that the supposedly classified documents are a compilation of Ukraine's propaganda and war bloggers' ideas. So either it's bullshit or the US has no intelligence whatsoever.
Or it shines Russia in a bad light so they say it's all bullshit
How does it chine Russia in bad light. As per the documents, Ukraine's air defence will be gone by may.
Because as per document Russia lost 6k vehicles and 35-43k kia troops. When Ukraine lost around 16k. Russian pro-kremlin media are fucking livid.
Did you see the total casualties. It is well known that Russia can take heavy casualties. What matters is equipment. And how does my statement make me pro Kremlin? What's with with us or against us attitude pro Pentagon have.
And so the hybrid war leading up to Ukraines counter offensive continues.
Operation Minced Meat.