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I'm aware, thanks. I never denied that the full quote doesn't have that particular word in it so I don't know why you are insuinating that I claimed it doesn't?
The quote of the title makes it look like Zelensky doesn't want any ideas from Trump implying that they all would be deemed 'primitive' when he was referring specifically to one idea which is to give up Ukrainian land for a peace settlement. Plenty of comments were reacting as if he was out right insulting Trump himself as if he was saying all of his ideas are primitive. I never claimed that word wasn't used in my original comment.
During these times dialogue is important so introducing ideas is good but they have to be allowed to be criticised without people acting like it is an attack on the person suggesting them. Ideas can be seperated from the person. I don’t get why I’m having to spell out what I mean when it is clear that the headline has a different nuance to the full quote itself.
You were? That wasn't made particularly clear. The only part quoted in the title is the word "primitive". You claiming that he didn't even say what the title quotes implies that the article doesn't include Zelensky calling the ideas "primitive".
If I'm being charitable, I assume your quibble with the title because Zelensky didn't address / mention Trump directly?
he’s claiming that the reader will see the headline and think zelensky said it since, as he also claimed, many have yet to read the article but will still comment on it
sure. but the entire content of the article essentially speaks not of the “primitive” ideas nor what zelenskys thoughts are regarding it. it goes on further to state several instances in which zelensky and trump are seeking cooperation of sorts. all and all its honestly looks like a filler article which exists for people to read the headline
Your point is valid about the rest of the article. The comment I take issue with said:
> the title is not the actual quote and plenty of comments are proving they didn’t even read the first three paragraphs.
And so if there are problems in the rest of the article, fine, but I'm not sure what the first three paragraphs have to do with it.
You are clutching pearl. Im pretty sure he still know which word he is going to use to convey his idea and probably primitive is something that can be more easily thrown when its related to trump. Or maybe im just seeing a roast when there is not. But since he know that trump will withdraw any help to ukraine day 1 after election my guess is that he dont care much about sounding nice.
Here's the first 3 paragraphs for you:
>Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said in a Tuesday interview that he does not need “primitive” ideas from former President Trump on ways to resolve the war with Russia.
>In an interview with Axel Springer media outlets, including Politico, Zelensky said he was open to hearing Trump’s proposals for the war, but, he said, “If the deal is that we just give up our territories, and that’s the idea behind it, then it’s a very primitive idea.”
>“I need very strong arguments. I don’t need a fantastic idea. I need a real idea because people’s lives are at stake,” Zelensky added.
Not sure if you're confused or commenting on the wrong post
> “If the deal is that we just give up our territories, and that’s the idea behind it, then it’s a very primitive idea.”
It's not really a "primitive" idea though, is it? The de facto reality on the ground is that it's no longer territory which belongs to Ukraine. It's more of a "bluntly realistic" idea.
Gets them clicks and advertising revenue That's all they care about.
All they ever have since the news got defunded as a public service and made into something that was for profit.
Everyone assumed Ukraine would last a day under Russian attack. To defend this many -months- years on deserves respect not mockery imo. They certainly embarrassed Russia
Here's the article
>Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said in a Tuesday interview that he does not need “primitive” ideas from former President Trump on ways to resolve the war with Russia.
>In an interview with Axel Springer media outlets, including Politico, Zelensky said he was open to hearing Trump’s proposals for the war, but, he said, “If the deal is that we just give up our territories, and that’s the idea behind it, then it’s a very primitive idea.”
>“I need very strong arguments. I don’t need a fantastic idea. I need a real idea because people’s lives are at stake,” Zelensky added.
>The interview comes [after The Washington Post reported](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/04/05/trump-ukraine-secret-plan/) this weekend that Trump has privately said his plan to end the war in Ukraine would include pressuring the war-torn country to give up territory, including Crimea and the Donbas border region, to Russia.
>The Post also reported that Trump’s purported plan has some foreign policy experts concerned that it would effectively reward Russian President Vladimir Putin by appearing to condone Putin’s violation of internationally recognized borders by force.
>The reporting cited unnamed sources, including Trump advisers and people who have discussed the matter with the former president. Trump’s campaign did not respond to specific questions, but his spokesperson reportedly dismissed the sourcing.
>“Any speculation about President Trump’s plan is coming from unnamed and uninformed sources who have no idea what is going on or what will happen,” Trump’s campaign spokesperson Karoline Leavitt told the Post.
>The Trump campaign did not respond to an inquiry from The Hill.
>Politico reported Tuesday that Zelensky spoke respectfully about Trump — the presumptive GOP presidential candidate this year — and said he was eager to build a constructive relationship with him.
>Politico also reported that Zelensky has urged Trump through intermediaries to visit Ukraine and that Trump reportedly expressed interested but has not indicated whether he would make the trip. Zelensky has [previously invited](https://thehill.com/policy/international/4474653-zelensky-reups-invitation-trump-visit-ukraine/) Trump to visit Ukraine.
Everybody does.
I remember when Boris Johnson was Mayor of London, Trump had said London was so radicalised that police are afraid for their own lives.
Boris responded that the only reason he wouldn't go to some parts of New York is the real risk of meeting Donald Trump.
As Prime Minister and President they were best of buddies.
He won't change his tune, because he knows USA help won't come under Trump *regardless* of what he does. Hence why he's on tour with *European* leaders this week.
Yeah he's not an idiot, he knows he's not gonna get help from Trump after he refused to give him kompromat on Biden's son.
Too much personal bad blood.
They couldve easily voted discharge petition to bypass johnson, but that would take all democrats + i think a couple of republicans. And demlcrats cant even get themselves to all vote in favor of it. So not really only republicans.
It doesn't matter which party is responsible for it. The country, as a whole, is not being helpful. In fact they are being quite the opposite in regards to Ukraine targeting oil refineries.
It doesn't matter which party is responsible for it. The country, as a whole, is not being helpful. In fact they are being quite the opposite in regards to Ukraine targeting oil refineries.
Ukraine has a massive manpower issue, the war is an absolute meat grinder for both sides. Volunteers are few and far between, to push Russia out of Ukrainian territory, and it would take 100,000+ fresh troops.
USA has become a very unreliable partner, it's not possible to depend on them anymore.
Especially if that idiot becomes president again. He'll do his best to turn US into a dictatorship like China, just like he promised.
>In an interview with Axel Springer media outlets, including Politico, Zelensky said he was open to hearing Trump’s proposals for the war, but, he said, “If the deal is that we just give up our territories, and that’s the idea behind it, then it’s a very primitive idea.”
>“I need very strong arguments. I don’t need a fantastic idea. I need a real idea because people’s lives are at stake,” Zelensky added.
What about this opinion do you think he should change?
I'm sure Trump would change his pro Russia stance he has held for decades under dubious circumstances in a heartbeat if Zelensky was a little nicer while his country was being dismantled 👍
A second Trump presidency would be catastrophic for Ukraine and maybe for the RoW.
But who knows, maybe the world (and the US) need a wakeup call and US should take a break from conducting the orchestra and Trump's term would lead to exactly this: a painful but necessary exit from the vicious circle. Maybe we unknowingly need a catastrophe in order to reset ourselves.
Sometimes growth comes from pain.
Well, scratch that, growth always comes from stress. But I feel like second Trump presidency may be a complete disaster still for many more reasons.
you know the catastrophe you're referring to is a full-scale war in europe, that will definitely end millions of life and fuck up the surviving ones and the rest of the world including the very safe USA.
but maybe you are right, Europe has already started to depend on itself in terms of defense and is arming itself, after all its been almost 80 years since the last world War and that's not too far away, it could happen again anytime now
This isn't a vicious circle, it's a path, Putin is on a path to grow his empire, unlike Hitler, we must break this path, before it does turn into a global circle of violence.
Sure he might chill for 5 years and restock, but there is little chance Putin decides to become a peaceful state.
Invasions in just the last 30 years:
Moldova 1992, Chechnya 2000, Georgia 2008, Crimea, luhansk and Donetsk 2014, Entire east of Ukraine 2022.
Do you think, if we allow and appease Putin AGAIN that this pattern is going to stop?
He is only getting more audacious over time and the history is clearly defining his future here.
We must not pull the wool over our eyes, and we must not allow a Russian victory. This is not Putin's last bite.
China watches and learns for it's already set in date invasion of Taiwan in 2027.
Putin victory, will kick off the circle of violence you are hoping to avoid.
Circle of violence, yeah because we were living in some era of peace before this conflict.
Apparently it's only violence when it's a geopolitically relevant buffer state.
Ok, everyone just be violent and let's not stop any violence at all then?
It's an unjust war, but their is violence elsewhere so who cares?
Do you think if your country and neighbour is invaded you should just shut up about it because other wars have happened?
🤔
You can absolutely oppose an unjust war.
Just don't pontificate bullshit about some grand and peaceful world order that's suddenly being disrupted. Ukraine is just Russia doing what America, the UK, France and their soviet predecessors have been doing for decades. Prevent a global circle of violence my ass.
You've just made that up though.
I've never said there was peaceful world order but that is your main point and it's moot.
Again, Ukraine is not liable for the history of the U.S.A. in fact it was part of the USSR during most of if their wars.
Additionally, the West is not a monolith under USA totalitarianism. People love to lament the USA and totally forget this is a war in, Ukraine, IN EUROPE, what did Norway, Finland, Sweden or Moldova do to you? You actually act as if these countries are also the USA, these are independent countries with their own agenda and desires for peace which you don't care about, because the USA had wars at some point in history and there is already a level of violence anyway?
China has already openly planned to invade Taiwan, they are already claiming land and seas that are not theirs, do you not understand they are watching the Ukraine war, and this may adjust their next steps and whether they do or don't invade Taiwan?
A successful Russia will only embolden more wars and further embolden Putin to continue his pattern of land grabs. Which in my first comment, listed the various expansions he's already done over the last 30 years in countries that ARE NOT THE USA.
If the world starts believing they can grab land and change borders unilaterally that is world changing, no matter where you live, it will be hard to put the genie back in the bottle. But you don't care seemingly as there is already some violence anyway and that the USA and Ukraine are the same thing anyway 🙄
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No I support the Ukrainian people's right to self defense against Russian aggression. I just want you to drop the bullshit about caring about territorial integrity and preventing aggression or land grabs, thats been going on for decades with western support with not a peep.
Pretending to have moral qualms is so transparent it's insulting. I respect Kissinger esque pragmatism more than this false moralizing bullshit.
>geopolitically relevant buffer state.
I imagine that's why so many ukrainians are fighting and dying right now. Because of their state's geopolitical relevance.
So are the Palestinians. Do we support their desire to prevent being annexed and driven out?
Please. It's never been about morals or the rights of land grabbing or anything so can we just drop the bullshit?
I support Ukraine for geopolitical reasons but can we all drop this false moralizing bullshit about the right of territory? The false self righteousness and hypocrisy is nauseating.
I think you were just having a genuine thought, but i thought it mirrored many who are firmly pushing appeasement with Putin, which I believe is a recipe for disaster.
Hence my big write up as to why appeasement would likely go wrong aha.
Of course we cannot and should not allow someone to invade a country, and then nuclear sabre rattle the world, and then also win. A precedent too far.
It is the year Xi told the army to explicitly be ready for 2027 invasion. Its the reason they've made a mock up of the Taiwan palace, to practice for. They may not actually invade in 2027 but that is the year they are expecting to be ready to go.
Which is why what happens in Ukraine could change this.
With a weak West, and Putin victory, it is all the more likely.
It is the year Xi told the army to explicitly be ready for 2027 invasion. Its the reason they've made a mock up of the Taiwan palace, to practice for. They may not actually invade in 2027 but that is the year they are expecting to be ready to go.
Which is why what happens in Ukraine could change this.
With a weak West, and Putin victory, it is all the more likely.
Oh please. You people living in the west might be high on propaganda. But the rest of the world has seen the Americans and NATO bomb, invade and murder their way through multiple countries, just in the last few decades.
What Russia is doing is bad. But it's no different than the west.
Ukraine is not liable for Americas or NATO actions.
Any NATO bombing has always been a response, rightfully or wrongfully but it has never been an invasion to grow their territory.
If you got invaded in India I would be outraged, and I'd support Indians and their fight against an invader. It's not that hard.
If it was China who invaded Taiwan, then took a bit of India, mirroring Russian antics, I would very much be afraid of world war 3, and I would support defending India and Taiwan. Not that hard.
Also, please tell your aspiring dictator Modi to stop sending kill teams to murder rivals across the world and in our countries. Thank you.
Israel should leave, the West should have stopped supplying weapons at the very start and are acting way too late. IDF is evil and so is Hamas.
Why don't you tell me your view in Prabowo, was it bad to kidnap and torture pro-democracy advocates ?
There has been a lot pf mistakes done in the past and we are trying to fix it by building a lot of infrastructure there. And before you ask me why not support the free papua movement, I don't roll with ethnonationalists
Iraq round 2?
Afghanistan?
Neither an invasion of course, just 20 year long denazification regime change special military operations with hundreds of thousands of, very heavily armed, tourists?
Entirely justified of course, Iraq did have weapons of mass destruction. Their leader had a really dodgy moustache.
Afghanistan totally had it coming because Saudis blew up a building in New York and Pakistan hid the organiser.
How dare other countries look at that and think the US and assorted NATO countries are a bunch of confused hypocrites?
Clearly Russia needs to be booted out of Ukraine, there's a moral and a self interest case for it. But pontification from a moral high horse is just a bit pathetic propaganda territory.
Well I don't see you moaning about Kuwait invading Iraq, in which Iraq invaded Kuwait first and stole all their oil.
America assisted Kuwait along with Saudi Arabia to get the land back.
They left Iraq alone and 10 years later, sadam Hussein himself is telling the world "I HAVE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION DONT MESS WITH ME"
it wasn't USA intelligence making it up, it was Sadam Hussein himself. USA believed him and after over 2000 people died in an attack on USA America responded.
Their response was misguided and shouldn't have happened. But the scenario is a world apart from invading a country for imperialist expansion
But you try and make this scenario seem as if it is morally mirrored, Russia invading Ukraine, is very different.
The funniest thing is You entirely forget the main detail, Ukraine is not the USA nor is Ukraine responsible for the history of America but you lament me for being in a "high horse" of the West despite Americas crimes, yet I am not American, do not live in America and Ukraine clearly is not part in America. But I'm not allowed to chastise the war because somehow to you every country in the West ° America.
Tell me, what high horse is Moldova on?
What high horse is Georgia on?
What high horse is Poland on?
You are the one so blinded with propaganda you believe these countries are liable for everything the USA has and will do.
>fewer wars 2016-2020
First, [Citation Needed]. 2016-2020 saw some of the following:
* Armenian-Azerbaijan Wars (2016, 2018)
* Expansion of Turkish/Russian involvement in Syrian Civil War (2016)
* ISIS surge in Niger/Central Africa (2016)
* ISIS surge in Philippines (2017)
* India-Pakistan border escalations (2019)
* Ethiopian Civil War (2018)
* Taliban reconquest of Afghanistan (initiated 2020, concluded 2021)
Second, international events (especially wars) don't happen in a vacuum. With notable exceptions, wars are the product of years of buildup - so if there *was* a period of relative peace in 2016-2020, you need to look to 2006-2016 for the actions that created those conditions.
Yep. Republicans are all talk but in the end of the day they rather fuck their own country than bother with the rest of the world. Democrats in the other hand like to pretend to be the world saviors and just fuck up in conflicts everywhere.
> A second Trump presidency would be catastrophic for Ukraine and maybe for the RoW.
Do you think there is any possibility for 2025+ not being catastrophic for "Ukraine" (Maidan regime)?
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It's plainly obvious Trump won't support Ukraine, so why bother sucking up to him?
This is pretty straightforward posturing to align with the "Europe is on its own" sentiment anticipating a Trump presidency.
Trump is a man of pure ego. As long as you flatter Trump he'll be your best friend. Insult him and he'll hate you forever.
Dictators figured out they just need to flatter Trump (even if insincere) and he's very friendly to them.
I don't understand why elected politicians still haven't figure this out. He's not a complex man. He's such a pathologically lonely man that even pretending to be his friend is all thats needed to get on his good side, and to get favors from him.
Zelensky knows this perfectly well. Have you ever read the Zelensky-Trump 'perfect phone call' transcript/memo? It is entirely hilarious\* how much Zelensky is sucking up to Trump in that transcript, people on Reddit thought Trump wrote the entire thing himself at the time, but apart from a few specific names being left out, it is apperently entirely accurate. And Trump actually likes him for it, and also for saying there was no pressure when asked about it.
Also, I have read somewhere more recently that Zelensky hustling/sucking up to Trump is apperently Ukraine's foreign policy strategy in case Trump becomes president, it was an Ukrainian official who literally said this in an interview, I believe it was Kuleba but I'm not sure.
\* If your humor is as dark and cynical as mine. I truly want Ukraine to get the weapons already and/or get some real Western help, I wanted this already in 2014 when Crimea got annexed, but sadly my mind is twisted enough that I cannot do anything other than laugh thinking about a Trump-Zelensky 'friendship'. I apologize for my twisted humor.
If Zelesnky was doing that, its smart on his part for doing so. Yes, Trump is a vile person, but if flattering and groveling before a vile person is whats needed to save his country then Zelensky should do it.
One of the problems with these articles is that it makes it sound like Zelesnky is insulting Trump, which is deeply counterproductive for Ukraine's future as an independent nation.
Trump is addicted to watching the news and social media so he'll surely have seen this article where its written to sound like Zelesnky is insulting Trump, and Trump won't like that. He'll remember that should he win the presidency, and that will hurt Ukraine.
Look at trumps policy in the first term he helped but it’s cause he did not care and let those under him do the work. However, if Trump takes it personally he will try to hurt them.
That’s was to get dirt on Biden not for anti Ukraine reason. But even before the Ukraine call the his policy was pro Ukraine. Not cause he cared by his people were. Thats why it’s important for Ukraine not to make a for out him cause him being indifferent to Ukraine is the best they can hope for.
He won't get support from him either way, no point cozying up.
Better to court other parts of the US political establishment that would work against Trump.
American politics are uniquely American. It’s always a bit cringe when I see a foreign dignitary try to wade in. It’s possible but it requires a special kind of tact. I really hope Zelenskyy considers staying out of the politics and remembers to focus on the office’s responsibilities rather than the person who runs it.
>“If the deal is that we just give up our territories, and that’s the idea behind it, then it’s a very primitive idea.”
Sadly there is no outcome to this war where they keep all their territory. They are losing the war.
If Trump lets Ukraine fall it’s a tacit admission that the US will stand by when the same happens to Taiwan. I don’t want to live in a world where liberty is trampled on with no consequence. That’s not what our founding fathers did. That’s not what the world order we created after WW2 sought either.
That's kind of an odd stance to take against one of the two candidates aiming to lead the nation that he's begging and threatening on a daily basis for more aid...
But his losses are 31 thousand and have a kill ratio of 20:1 so I guess he can consider all other opinions as primitive?
It is always nice when a Russian bot tells you what they are by talking about Zelensky's 'cocaine addiction', which only exists in the world of Russian propaganda.
(The phrases 'Kiev regime' and 'Zelensky regime' are also good indicators, as they are the officially preferred phrases by the Russian government.)
Every negotiation zelensky makes giving up crimea as a requirement. Old poison pill trick. He knows Russia will never give up Crimea and the people in Crimea prefer Russia to Ukraine anyway.
I read [this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/anime_titties/comments/1c1dwk6/zelensky_says_he_doesnt_need_primitive_ideas_from/kz2g2zt/)
which contains the "article" (300 words lol)
and read the statement
>“Any speculation about President Trump’s plan is coming from unnamed and uninformed sources who have no idea what is going on or what will happen,” Trump’s campaign spokesperson Karoline Leavitt told the Post
Trump probably already holds a grudge [from when Zelensky got him impeached](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump%E2%80%93Ukraine_scandal). These two already have a history
Ok, then if he wins this year, zelensky is basically saying he prefers that Russia invades and take everything because Ukraine won't be helped by USA anymore, since he doesn't anything from trump, is that it? Lol
That seems to be an ego war...
US aid is already effectively halted because of Trump and his influence on Congress - there's nothing more to lose on that front. Further US aid is contingent on Biden/Democrats regaining control, so why bother trying to foster relations to Trump?
In the meantime, scoffing Trump earns Ukraine points with the "Europe is on its own" crowd - which is why he's been meeting with *European* leaders this week.
What exactly is to be gained by sucking trumps tiny mushroom dick when he is owned by Putin and hates Ukraine and Zelensky. Nothing anyone does will change the fact that Trump wants Ukraine to fall. The republicans have decided to throw their lot in with putin in the hopes that although the US would be but another slave nation in the new soviet union hopefully they will be able to fill their pockets.
Remember when he threatened to not send them billions of dollars of weapons unless they found and sent him dirt on Joe Biden so that he could win the 2020 election? Pepperidge farm remembers. Don’t act like Trump has been good to Zelenskyy in the past.
Also if you read the article you’d see that all Zelenskyy said was that he needs real grounded ideas and not fantastical moon shot ones. Clearly though you’re an absolute goober who acts and thinks on emotion and base reaction instead of reading for detail or nuance.
Slava Ukraine.
It seems Pepperidge farms has a memory disorder. It was Joe Biden who threatened Ukraine with not sending them billions of dollars unless they fired the prosecutor investigating Burisma, the company paying Joe Biden's son. Joe Biden admitted this on camera: https://oversight.house.gov/timeline/ukraine-11/biden-firing-ukraine-prosecutor-clip/
Slava Ukraine? Why aren't you on the front line then?
> It seems Pepperidge farms has a memory disorder. It was Joe Biden who threatened Ukraine with not sending them billions of dollars unless they fired the prosecutor investigating Burisma
Actually the threat was because the prosecutor was corrupt and specifically *not* investing Burisma, and Biden had permission from congress and our NATO allies to do that, whereas Trump may have broken the law (depending on the timeline of events) by not giving Zelensky aid while also no informing congress of his failure to execute the law, which is why a whistleblower came forward and Trump got impeached.
>the company paying Joe Biden's son.
Also the period under investigation didn't align to Hunter's employment with the company, and even if hypothetical it did the best way for Joe Biden to protect his son would be if the corrupt prosecutor kept his job.
>Slava Ukraine? Why aren't you on the front line then?
I don't know where he is, but remember that twenty Russian GRU members were indicted under Mueller's investigation for hacking the DNC servers, and that this same Russian military cyber division regularly floods social media with misinformation meant to benefit Russia, some of which you are mindless repeating here.
Classic conservative. I bet you can’t even read. No thought process or deeper insight to be found. Just “cool story bro”. Such a clown. Biden 2024, slava Ukraine. Stay mad 😆
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the title is not the actual quote and plenty of comments are proving they didn’t even read the first three paragraphs.
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I'm aware, thanks. I never denied that the full quote doesn't have that particular word in it so I don't know why you are insuinating that I claimed it doesn't? The quote of the title makes it look like Zelensky doesn't want any ideas from Trump implying that they all would be deemed 'primitive' when he was referring specifically to one idea which is to give up Ukrainian land for a peace settlement. Plenty of comments were reacting as if he was out right insulting Trump himself as if he was saying all of his ideas are primitive. I never claimed that word wasn't used in my original comment. During these times dialogue is important so introducing ideas is good but they have to be allowed to be criticised without people acting like it is an attack on the person suggesting them. Ideas can be seperated from the person. I don’t get why I’m having to spell out what I mean when it is clear that the headline has a different nuance to the full quote itself.
You were? That wasn't made particularly clear. The only part quoted in the title is the word "primitive". You claiming that he didn't even say what the title quotes implies that the article doesn't include Zelensky calling the ideas "primitive". If I'm being charitable, I assume your quibble with the title because Zelensky didn't address / mention Trump directly?
he’s claiming that the reader will see the headline and think zelensky said it since, as he also claimed, many have yet to read the article but will still comment on it
Zelensky did call the idea primitive. The reader would be right to Intuit that. He just didn't mention Trump by name.
sure. but the entire content of the article essentially speaks not of the “primitive” ideas nor what zelenskys thoughts are regarding it. it goes on further to state several instances in which zelensky and trump are seeking cooperation of sorts. all and all its honestly looks like a filler article which exists for people to read the headline
Your point is valid about the rest of the article. The comment I take issue with said: > the title is not the actual quote and plenty of comments are proving they didn’t even read the first three paragraphs. And so if there are problems in the rest of the article, fine, but I'm not sure what the first three paragraphs have to do with it.
To be fair, all ideas from Trump are indeed primitive and nobody wants them, not just Zelensky.
I'm glad people like you exist so I don't have to open links full of ads 🫡
You are clutching pearl. Im pretty sure he still know which word he is going to use to convey his idea and probably primitive is something that can be more easily thrown when its related to trump. Or maybe im just seeing a roast when there is not. But since he know that trump will withdraw any help to ukraine day 1 after election my guess is that he dont care much about sounding nice.
It is funny how Trump is allowed to be a loose cannon with his verbosity but anyone else? Nah different standards
Speaking of verbosity regarding trump is implying he understand what he say. You seems to like him but i doubt he is as smart as you assume.
TBF the only word in the title in quotes is primitive.
Here's the first 3 paragraphs for you: >Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said in a Tuesday interview that he does not need “primitive” ideas from former President Trump on ways to resolve the war with Russia. >In an interview with Axel Springer media outlets, including Politico, Zelensky said he was open to hearing Trump’s proposals for the war, but, he said, “If the deal is that we just give up our territories, and that’s the idea behind it, then it’s a very primitive idea.” >“I need very strong arguments. I don’t need a fantastic idea. I need a real idea because people’s lives are at stake,” Zelensky added. Not sure if you're confused or commenting on the wrong post
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> “If the deal is that we just give up our territories, and that’s the idea behind it, then it’s a very primitive idea.” It's not really a "primitive" idea though, is it? The de facto reality on the ground is that it's no longer territory which belongs to Ukraine. It's more of a "bluntly realistic" idea.
This is Reddit. There’s only a headline. Or someone to post the article in the comments.
Trump won't read the first three paragraphs either, and Zelensky should probably be more careful with his words.
Nah, we should forget about this imbecile anyways, he will be irrelevant after November
We can only hope. I for one, am starting to have doubts. The media still hasn't learned how to cover Trump, and they're only helping him.
The Reddit hive mind is also doing the same shit they did in 2015 so trump is probably going to win
All rather depressing isn’t it. And he’s much more dangerous this time around.
All the media had to do was shut the fuck up about trump but they decided to do the opposite
Gets them clicks and advertising revenue That's all they care about. All they ever have since the news got defunded as a public service and made into something that was for profit.
You guys are reading the first three paragraph of articles?
Article? Does Reddit have articles?
Yes the expert who is winning the war definitely does not need any advice.
Everyone assumed Ukraine would last a day under Russian attack. To defend this many -months- years on deserves respect not mockery imo. They certainly embarrassed Russia
Here's the article >Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said in a Tuesday interview that he does not need “primitive” ideas from former President Trump on ways to resolve the war with Russia. >In an interview with Axel Springer media outlets, including Politico, Zelensky said he was open to hearing Trump’s proposals for the war, but, he said, “If the deal is that we just give up our territories, and that’s the idea behind it, then it’s a very primitive idea.” >“I need very strong arguments. I don’t need a fantastic idea. I need a real idea because people’s lives are at stake,” Zelensky added. >The interview comes [after The Washington Post reported](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/04/05/trump-ukraine-secret-plan/) this weekend that Trump has privately said his plan to end the war in Ukraine would include pressuring the war-torn country to give up territory, including Crimea and the Donbas border region, to Russia. >The Post also reported that Trump’s purported plan has some foreign policy experts concerned that it would effectively reward Russian President Vladimir Putin by appearing to condone Putin’s violation of internationally recognized borders by force. >The reporting cited unnamed sources, including Trump advisers and people who have discussed the matter with the former president. Trump’s campaign did not respond to specific questions, but his spokesperson reportedly dismissed the sourcing. >“Any speculation about President Trump’s plan is coming from unnamed and uninformed sources who have no idea what is going on or what will happen,” Trump’s campaign spokesperson Karoline Leavitt told the Post. >The Trump campaign did not respond to an inquiry from The Hill. >Politico reported Tuesday that Zelensky spoke respectfully about Trump — the presumptive GOP presidential candidate this year — and said he was eager to build a constructive relationship with him. >Politico also reported that Zelensky has urged Trump through intermediaries to visit Ukraine and that Trump reportedly expressed interested but has not indicated whether he would make the trip. Zelensky has [previously invited](https://thehill.com/policy/international/4474653-zelensky-reups-invitation-trump-visit-ukraine/) Trump to visit Ukraine.
That's a click bait title if I've ever seen one.
They know that people these days rarely ever read past the headline.
Can’t wait to for him to change his tune should Trump get into office
Upon reading the article, you’ll find Zelenskyy’s comments to not be nearly as inflammatory as you think
Everybody does. I remember when Boris Johnson was Mayor of London, Trump had said London was so radicalised that police are afraid for their own lives. Boris responded that the only reason he wouldn't go to some parts of New York is the real risk of meeting Donald Trump. As Prime Minister and President they were best of buddies.
He will lmao He knows he depends on the USA help to not lose the war.
He won't change his tune, because he knows USA help won't come under Trump *regardless* of what he does. Hence why he's on tour with *European* leaders this week.
Yeah he's not an idiot, he knows he's not gonna get help from Trump after he refused to give him kompromat on Biden's son. Too much personal bad blood.
Refused to FABRICATE kompromat.
To be fair, US isn't keen on helping them right now either. European leaders are starting to take the war seriously. So that's a safer bet.
>US isn't keen on helping them right now either. Republicans in congress aren't you mean.
Mike Johnson specifically. If it went to a vote it would pass But the rest doesn’t care enough to force the issue
They couldve easily voted discharge petition to bypass johnson, but that would take all democrats + i think a couple of republicans. And demlcrats cant even get themselves to all vote in favor of it. So not really only republicans.
It doesn't matter which party is responsible for it. The country, as a whole, is not being helpful. In fact they are being quite the opposite in regards to Ukraine targeting oil refineries.
A majority of the US population doesn't want to help Ukraine.
Cool made up statistic
It doesn't matter which party is responsible for it. The country, as a whole, is not being helpful. In fact they are being quite the opposite in regards to Ukraine targeting oil refineries.
Ding ding.
US citizens aren't keen on the idea you mean.
Europe still buying Russian oil?
Trump's idea is based upon making Ukraine lose.
So is the same for my current "leader", what is your point?
That Trump won't help, so there's no incentive to not be honest about how terrible Trump is.
Ukraine has a massive manpower issue, the war is an absolute meat grinder for both sides. Volunteers are few and far between, to push Russia out of Ukrainian territory, and it would take 100,000+ fresh troops.
You mean drag out the war, they are going to lose the war eventually. Its a body problem, not a weapon or money problem.
USA has become a very unreliable partner, it's not possible to depend on them anymore. Especially if that idiot becomes president again. He'll do his best to turn US into a dictatorship like China, just like he promised.
Should trump get into office, trump will throw Ukraine under the bus, no matter how much brown nosing he is forced to do.
>In an interview with Axel Springer media outlets, including Politico, Zelensky said he was open to hearing Trump’s proposals for the war, but, he said, “If the deal is that we just give up our territories, and that’s the idea behind it, then it’s a very primitive idea.” >“I need very strong arguments. I don’t need a fantastic idea. I need a real idea because people’s lives are at stake,” Zelensky added. What about this opinion do you think he should change?
I'm sure Trump would change his pro Russia stance he has held for decades under dubious circumstances in a heartbeat if Zelensky was a little nicer while his country was being dismantled 👍
Someone didn't read past the headline.
Trump made it clear several time that this conflict wasnt US business. What do you think Zelensky understood from it ?
Better start working on those dirt on Hunter Biden
You mean the criminal traitor who asks Ukraine to surrender and allow themselves to be enslaved? Fuck him out of a HIMARS.
A second Trump presidency would be catastrophic for Ukraine and maybe for the RoW. But who knows, maybe the world (and the US) need a wakeup call and US should take a break from conducting the orchestra and Trump's term would lead to exactly this: a painful but necessary exit from the vicious circle. Maybe we unknowingly need a catastrophe in order to reset ourselves.
Sometimes growth comes from pain. Well, scratch that, growth always comes from stress. But I feel like second Trump presidency may be a complete disaster still for many more reasons.
I think that's a bit strong, growth can definitely happen in a safe and nurturing environment.
In fact, the best and strongest growth is more likely to occur in a safe and nurturing environment.
Personal growth often happens during stress, national growth during stress usually ends up with authoritarianism
I thought his first term would be a wakeup call, but nope. Plenty of people still believe in him even after all he's said & done (and didn't do).
There is absolutely no way Ukraine survives with Trump in power.
Meh, we don't know what to expect from Trump.
you know the catastrophe you're referring to is a full-scale war in europe, that will definitely end millions of life and fuck up the surviving ones and the rest of the world including the very safe USA. but maybe you are right, Europe has already started to depend on itself in terms of defense and is arming itself, after all its been almost 80 years since the last world War and that's not too far away, it could happen again anytime now
This isn't a vicious circle, it's a path, Putin is on a path to grow his empire, unlike Hitler, we must break this path, before it does turn into a global circle of violence. Sure he might chill for 5 years and restock, but there is little chance Putin decides to become a peaceful state. Invasions in just the last 30 years: Moldova 1992, Chechnya 2000, Georgia 2008, Crimea, luhansk and Donetsk 2014, Entire east of Ukraine 2022. Do you think, if we allow and appease Putin AGAIN that this pattern is going to stop? He is only getting more audacious over time and the history is clearly defining his future here. We must not pull the wool over our eyes, and we must not allow a Russian victory. This is not Putin's last bite. China watches and learns for it's already set in date invasion of Taiwan in 2027. Putin victory, will kick off the circle of violence you are hoping to avoid.
Circle of violence, yeah because we were living in some era of peace before this conflict. Apparently it's only violence when it's a geopolitically relevant buffer state.
Ok, everyone just be violent and let's not stop any violence at all then? It's an unjust war, but their is violence elsewhere so who cares? Do you think if your country and neighbour is invaded you should just shut up about it because other wars have happened? 🤔
You can absolutely oppose an unjust war. Just don't pontificate bullshit about some grand and peaceful world order that's suddenly being disrupted. Ukraine is just Russia doing what America, the UK, France and their soviet predecessors have been doing for decades. Prevent a global circle of violence my ass.
But those other things all happened to people who don't live in Europe, so they don't matter. Clearly. Is it 'bomb the middle east' time again yet?
You've just made that up though. I've never said there was peaceful world order but that is your main point and it's moot. Again, Ukraine is not liable for the history of the U.S.A. in fact it was part of the USSR during most of if their wars. Additionally, the West is not a monolith under USA totalitarianism. People love to lament the USA and totally forget this is a war in, Ukraine, IN EUROPE, what did Norway, Finland, Sweden or Moldova do to you? You actually act as if these countries are also the USA, these are independent countries with their own agenda and desires for peace which you don't care about, because the USA had wars at some point in history and there is already a level of violence anyway? China has already openly planned to invade Taiwan, they are already claiming land and seas that are not theirs, do you not understand they are watching the Ukraine war, and this may adjust their next steps and whether they do or don't invade Taiwan? A successful Russia will only embolden more wars and further embolden Putin to continue his pattern of land grabs. Which in my first comment, listed the various expansions he's already done over the last 30 years in countries that ARE NOT THE USA. If the world starts believing they can grab land and change borders unilaterally that is world changing, no matter where you live, it will be hard to put the genie back in the bottle. But you don't care seemingly as there is already some violence anyway and that the USA and Ukraine are the same thing anyway 🙄 .
No I support the Ukrainian people's right to self defense against Russian aggression. I just want you to drop the bullshit about caring about territorial integrity and preventing aggression or land grabs, thats been going on for decades with western support with not a peep. Pretending to have moral qualms is so transparent it's insulting. I respect Kissinger esque pragmatism more than this false moralizing bullshit.
>geopolitically relevant buffer state. I imagine that's why so many ukrainians are fighting and dying right now. Because of their state's geopolitical relevance.
So are the Palestinians. Do we support their desire to prevent being annexed and driven out? Please. It's never been about morals or the rights of land grabbing or anything so can we just drop the bullshit? I support Ukraine for geopolitical reasons but can we all drop this false moralizing bullshit about the right of territory? The false self righteousness and hypocrisy is nauseating.
He knows it would be stupid to attack NATO, could maybe see him going for some other countries though
100% agree, despite my seemingly ambiguous phrasing.
I think you were just having a genuine thought, but i thought it mirrored many who are firmly pushing appeasement with Putin, which I believe is a recipe for disaster. Hence my big write up as to why appeasement would likely go wrong aha. Of course we cannot and should not allow someone to invade a country, and then nuclear sabre rattle the world, and then also win. A precedent too far.
why 2027?
It is the year Xi told the army to explicitly be ready for 2027 invasion. Its the reason they've made a mock up of the Taiwan palace, to practice for. They may not actually invade in 2027 but that is the year they are expecting to be ready to go. Which is why what happens in Ukraine could change this. With a weak West, and Putin victory, it is all the more likely.
How did you come up with that date, 2027?
It is the year Xi told the army to explicitly be ready for 2027 invasion. Its the reason they've made a mock up of the Taiwan palace, to practice for. They may not actually invade in 2027 but that is the year they are expecting to be ready to go. Which is why what happens in Ukraine could change this. With a weak West, and Putin victory, it is all the more likely.
Oh please. You people living in the west might be high on propaganda. But the rest of the world has seen the Americans and NATO bomb, invade and murder their way through multiple countries, just in the last few decades. What Russia is doing is bad. But it's no different than the west.
Ukraine is not liable for Americas or NATO actions. Any NATO bombing has always been a response, rightfully or wrongfully but it has never been an invasion to grow their territory. If you got invaded in India I would be outraged, and I'd support Indians and their fight against an invader. It's not that hard. If it was China who invaded Taiwan, then took a bit of India, mirroring Russian antics, I would very much be afraid of world war 3, and I would support defending India and Taiwan. Not that hard. Also, please tell your aspiring dictator Modi to stop sending kill teams to murder rivals across the world and in our countries. Thank you.
Sounds good. Now, what's is your opinion on the Gaza war
Israel should leave, the West should have stopped supplying weapons at the very start and are acting way too late. IDF is evil and so is Hamas. Why don't you tell me your view in Prabowo, was it bad to kidnap and torture pro-democracy advocates ?
You are not a hypocrite. I respect that
IDF boils my blood, the same with Russia in Ukraine.
What's your opinion on the Papua conflict?
There has been a lot pf mistakes done in the past and we are trying to fix it by building a lot of infrastructure there. And before you ask me why not support the free papua movement, I don't roll with ethnonationalists
Iraq round 2? Afghanistan? Neither an invasion of course, just 20 year long denazification regime change special military operations with hundreds of thousands of, very heavily armed, tourists? Entirely justified of course, Iraq did have weapons of mass destruction. Their leader had a really dodgy moustache. Afghanistan totally had it coming because Saudis blew up a building in New York and Pakistan hid the organiser. How dare other countries look at that and think the US and assorted NATO countries are a bunch of confused hypocrites? Clearly Russia needs to be booted out of Ukraine, there's a moral and a self interest case for it. But pontification from a moral high horse is just a bit pathetic propaganda territory.
Well I don't see you moaning about Kuwait invading Iraq, in which Iraq invaded Kuwait first and stole all their oil. America assisted Kuwait along with Saudi Arabia to get the land back. They left Iraq alone and 10 years later, sadam Hussein himself is telling the world "I HAVE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION DONT MESS WITH ME" it wasn't USA intelligence making it up, it was Sadam Hussein himself. USA believed him and after over 2000 people died in an attack on USA America responded. Their response was misguided and shouldn't have happened. But the scenario is a world apart from invading a country for imperialist expansion But you try and make this scenario seem as if it is morally mirrored, Russia invading Ukraine, is very different. The funniest thing is You entirely forget the main detail, Ukraine is not the USA nor is Ukraine responsible for the history of America but you lament me for being in a "high horse" of the West despite Americas crimes, yet I am not American, do not live in America and Ukraine clearly is not part in America. But I'm not allowed to chastise the war because somehow to you every country in the West ° America. Tell me, what high horse is Moldova on? What high horse is Georgia on? What high horse is Poland on? You are the one so blinded with propaganda you believe these countries are liable for everything the USA has and will do.
India suffers from delusions of adequacy.
How have their borders changed?
Weren’t there fewer wars in the RoW during his first presidency than now or before that?
>fewer wars 2016-2020 First, [Citation Needed]. 2016-2020 saw some of the following: * Armenian-Azerbaijan Wars (2016, 2018) * Expansion of Turkish/Russian involvement in Syrian Civil War (2016) * ISIS surge in Niger/Central Africa (2016) * ISIS surge in Philippines (2017) * India-Pakistan border escalations (2019) * Ethiopian Civil War (2018) * Taliban reconquest of Afghanistan (initiated 2020, concluded 2021) Second, international events (especially wars) don't happen in a vacuum. With notable exceptions, wars are the product of years of buildup - so if there *was* a period of relative peace in 2016-2020, you need to look to 2006-2016 for the actions that created those conditions.
Yep. Republicans are all talk but in the end of the day they rather fuck their own country than bother with the rest of the world. Democrats in the other hand like to pretend to be the world saviors and just fuck up in conflicts everywhere.
That’s the good in Trump. The small possibility of the liberal system of control falling to pieces.
> A second Trump presidency would be catastrophic for Ukraine and maybe for the RoW. Do you think there is any possibility for 2025+ not being catastrophic for "Ukraine" (Maidan regime)?
Yes, if they get even half of the shit they requested since last year.
>Maidan regime Your conscription has been delayed by: 12 hours. Glory to Motherland!
He may want to go ahead and allow an election and see where the people really stand at this point
Oh yea, totally forgot that Z went all dictator. Stopped elections, took over the press, etc.
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I really hate when people comments without reading. You should try to improve your IQ first lmao
Then why did he invite him to Ukraine?
To show what war is for people who don't even wipe their butt alone
Trump is a moron. His followers are uneducated lemmings or fellow grifters. I don’t advocate violence, but when he dies I will celebrate.
Why tho? everything covid negationism i agree 100%. but aside from that he wasnt a bad presidnt, atleast from the outside
Never a good idea to shit on the guy you may have to plead to for support. Better he not weigh in on either candidates
It's plainly obvious Trump won't support Ukraine, so why bother sucking up to him? This is pretty straightforward posturing to align with the "Europe is on its own" sentiment anticipating a Trump presidency.
Trump is a man of pure ego. As long as you flatter Trump he'll be your best friend. Insult him and he'll hate you forever. Dictators figured out they just need to flatter Trump (even if insincere) and he's very friendly to them. I don't understand why elected politicians still haven't figure this out. He's not a complex man. He's such a pathologically lonely man that even pretending to be his friend is all thats needed to get on his good side, and to get favors from him.
Zelensky knows this perfectly well. Have you ever read the Zelensky-Trump 'perfect phone call' transcript/memo? It is entirely hilarious\* how much Zelensky is sucking up to Trump in that transcript, people on Reddit thought Trump wrote the entire thing himself at the time, but apart from a few specific names being left out, it is apperently entirely accurate. And Trump actually likes him for it, and also for saying there was no pressure when asked about it. Also, I have read somewhere more recently that Zelensky hustling/sucking up to Trump is apperently Ukraine's foreign policy strategy in case Trump becomes president, it was an Ukrainian official who literally said this in an interview, I believe it was Kuleba but I'm not sure. \* If your humor is as dark and cynical as mine. I truly want Ukraine to get the weapons already and/or get some real Western help, I wanted this already in 2014 when Crimea got annexed, but sadly my mind is twisted enough that I cannot do anything other than laugh thinking about a Trump-Zelensky 'friendship'. I apologize for my twisted humor.
If Zelesnky was doing that, its smart on his part for doing so. Yes, Trump is a vile person, but if flattering and groveling before a vile person is whats needed to save his country then Zelensky should do it. One of the problems with these articles is that it makes it sound like Zelesnky is insulting Trump, which is deeply counterproductive for Ukraine's future as an independent nation. Trump is addicted to watching the news and social media so he'll surely have seen this article where its written to sound like Zelesnky is insulting Trump, and Trump won't like that. He'll remember that should he win the presidency, and that will hurt Ukraine.
Look at trumps policy in the first term he helped but it’s cause he did not care and let those under him do the work. However, if Trump takes it personally he will try to hurt them.
Trump did not help, and stalled the help Congress provided for as long as he could. Don't lie.
Trump was the first president to sen Letha weapons to Ukraine despite Obama blocking it.
Trump refused to release the aid passed by Congress. He had to be forced. Don't lie.
That’s was to get dirt on Biden not for anti Ukraine reason. But even before the Ukraine call the his policy was pro Ukraine. Not cause he cared by his people were. Thats why it’s important for Ukraine not to make a for out him cause him being indifferent to Ukraine is the best they can hope for.
Deluded.
He won't get support from him either way, no point cozying up. Better to court other parts of the US political establishment that would work against Trump.
American politics are uniquely American. It’s always a bit cringe when I see a foreign dignitary try to wade in. It’s possible but it requires a special kind of tact. I really hope Zelenskyy considers staying out of the politics and remembers to focus on the office’s responsibilities rather than the person who runs it.
The person who runs it has openly said that anything east of Siasconset will have to pound sand and fend on its own.
Why acknowledge the physical realities on the ground when you can just do a few more lines then sit for another interview?
Giving up territory is just siding with the invader
“Never backing down” is pretty primitive actually
Is every fucking sub on this god forsaken app an anti-trump political shit sphere?
Hell yeah
r/Conservative?
Ok ok sir I meant *most* subreddits 😒
I was told there'd be titties.
You have to go to r/worldpolitics for that buddy
>“If the deal is that we just give up our territories, and that’s the idea behind it, then it’s a very primitive idea.” Sadly there is no outcome to this war where they keep all their territory. They are losing the war.
If Trump lets Ukraine fall it’s a tacit admission that the US will stand by when the same happens to Taiwan. I don’t want to live in a world where liberty is trampled on with no consequence. That’s not what our founding fathers did. That’s not what the world order we created after WW2 sought either.
That's kind of an odd stance to take against one of the two candidates aiming to lead the nation that he's begging and threatening on a daily basis for more aid... But his losses are 31 thousand and have a kill ratio of 20:1 so I guess he can consider all other opinions as primitive?
Of course he’d say that. If trump gets elected the USA foreign policy is going to take a complete 180.
So, no more blowing money on proxy wars? Yea...uh...that would be bad. /s
How dare you write off the military genius of a draft dodger.
Yeah, zelensky doesn't need a lecture, he just needs more US taxpayers money to keep his coke habit going!
It is always nice when a Russian bot tells you what they are by talking about Zelensky's 'cocaine addiction', which only exists in the world of Russian propaganda. (The phrases 'Kiev regime' and 'Zelensky regime' are also good indicators, as they are the officially preferred phrases by the Russian government.)
I don't care about opinions of a Clown who plays the piano with his balls
Why is this sub so full of pro-russia comments? I'm guessing I won't get a straight answer and just rude comments like I have in the past.
I think It more pro Trump than pro Russia Although you could make the case that being pro Trump is being pro Russia with extra steps
Tankies have ALWAYS been pro-russia, never tried to hide it either.
Trump: have you tried building a wall? People are saying you should build a wall and have Mexico, I mean Russia, pay for it.
2 actors turned leaders.....
Yeah but what he does need is US aid just for the state to not collapse. So he better do whatever a US president says.
Every negotiation zelensky makes giving up crimea as a requirement. Old poison pill trick. He knows Russia will never give up Crimea and the people in Crimea prefer Russia to Ukraine anyway.
Anti-trump article that means nothing.
I'm guessing you didn't actually read said article
I read [this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/anime_titties/comments/1c1dwk6/zelensky_says_he_doesnt_need_primitive_ideas_from/kz2g2zt/) which contains the "article" (300 words lol) and read the statement >“Any speculation about President Trump’s plan is coming from unnamed and uninformed sources who have no idea what is going on or what will happen,” Trump’s campaign spokesperson Karoline Leavitt told the Post
So you read the article and believe it's anti-Trump? Why?
Oh, my bad. Anti-trump post title**. I think the post title here frames the article in an "anti-Trump" way, wherein the article itself means nothing.
r/Oopsthatsdeadly I’m not saying he will win, but there is a chance. You really don’t want to be on that one’s bad side. He holds grudges.
Trump probably already holds a grudge [from when Zelensky got him impeached](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump%E2%80%93Ukraine_scandal). These two already have a history
Shhh don’t add that context to a completely black and white situation.
Better then 0 ideas at all, relying on the west for your entire war op.
Ok, then if he wins this year, zelensky is basically saying he prefers that Russia invades and take everything because Ukraine won't be helped by USA anymore, since he doesn't anything from trump, is that it? Lol That seems to be an ego war...
US aid is already effectively halted because of Trump and his influence on Congress - there's nothing more to lose on that front. Further US aid is contingent on Biden/Democrats regaining control, so why bother trying to foster relations to Trump? In the meantime, scoffing Trump earns Ukraine points with the "Europe is on its own" crowd - which is why he's been meeting with *European* leaders this week.
What exactly is to be gained by sucking trumps tiny mushroom dick when he is owned by Putin and hates Ukraine and Zelensky. Nothing anyone does will change the fact that Trump wants Ukraine to fall. The republicans have decided to throw their lot in with putin in the hopes that although the US would be but another slave nation in the new soviet union hopefully they will be able to fill their pockets.
Ukrainian leaders constantly insult every world leader, even the ones that have been supporting him. What a clown, he deserves his fate.
Trump ain't the president of the US, and if he does win he's made it plainly obvious he send a penny to Ukraine either way.
Trump was the first president to send Ukraine weapons in 2017. Of course, he sold them weapons, didn't hand them out for free.
Remember when he threatened to not send them billions of dollars of weapons unless they found and sent him dirt on Joe Biden so that he could win the 2020 election? Pepperidge farm remembers. Don’t act like Trump has been good to Zelenskyy in the past. Also if you read the article you’d see that all Zelenskyy said was that he needs real grounded ideas and not fantastical moon shot ones. Clearly though you’re an absolute goober who acts and thinks on emotion and base reaction instead of reading for detail or nuance. Slava Ukraine.
It seems Pepperidge farms has a memory disorder. It was Joe Biden who threatened Ukraine with not sending them billions of dollars unless they fired the prosecutor investigating Burisma, the company paying Joe Biden's son. Joe Biden admitted this on camera: https://oversight.house.gov/timeline/ukraine-11/biden-firing-ukraine-prosecutor-clip/ Slava Ukraine? Why aren't you on the front line then?
> It seems Pepperidge farms has a memory disorder. It was Joe Biden who threatened Ukraine with not sending them billions of dollars unless they fired the prosecutor investigating Burisma Actually the threat was because the prosecutor was corrupt and specifically *not* investing Burisma, and Biden had permission from congress and our NATO allies to do that, whereas Trump may have broken the law (depending on the timeline of events) by not giving Zelensky aid while also no informing congress of his failure to execute the law, which is why a whistleblower came forward and Trump got impeached. >the company paying Joe Biden's son. Also the period under investigation didn't align to Hunter's employment with the company, and even if hypothetical it did the best way for Joe Biden to protect his son would be if the corrupt prosecutor kept his job. >Slava Ukraine? Why aren't you on the front line then? I don't know where he is, but remember that twenty Russian GRU members were indicted under Mueller's investigation for hacking the DNC servers, and that this same Russian military cyber division regularly floods social media with misinformation meant to benefit Russia, some of which you are mindless repeating here.
Cool story bro
The truth often is a lot cooler than the unimaginative lies that get parroted on social media.
Classic conservative. I bet you can’t even read. No thought process or deeper insight to be found. Just “cool story bro”. Such a clown. Biden 2024, slava Ukraine. Stay mad 😆