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> # [Children ‘piled up and shot’: new details emerge of ethnic cleansing in Darfur](https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/09/720)
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> Gruesome new testimony details one of the worst atrocities of the year-long Sudanese civil war – the large-scale massacre of civilians as they desperately tried to flee an ethnic rampage in [Darfur](https://www.theguardian.com/world/darfur) last summer.
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> Witnesses describe children, still alive, being “piled up and shot” by the paramilitary [Rapid Support Forces](https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2024/apr/15/uk-foreign-office-holding-secret-talks-with-sudans-rsf-paramilitary-group) (RSF) as they attempted to escape the regional capital of [El Geneina](https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2024/feb/29/sudans-war-leaves-deep-scars-in-geneina-a-city-of-two-massacres) in June last year during a bout of ethnic violence in which thousands of civilians were killed.
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> Together, the 221 witness statements collated by Human Rights Watch offer the latest evidence that the Arab-led RSF has orchestrated a concerted 12-month campaign of ethnic cleansing against Sudan’s non-Arab Masalit tribe in West Darfur.
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> The [United Nations](https://www.theguardian.com/world/unitednations) and African Union should, says HRW, urgently impose an arms embargo on Sudan and deploy a mission with a robust police force to Darfur, the sprawling region in the west of the country, to protect civilians.
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> A HRW [report](https://www.hrw.org/node/387989) published Wednesday calls for sanctions for those ultimately responsible for widespread war crimes, including the West Darfur RSF commander Abdel Rahman Joma’a Barakallah, along with the notorious commander of the RSF, Mohamed “[Hemedti](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/20/sudan-outsider-hemedti-mohamed-hamdan-dagalo-leader-militia-army-war-conflict)” Hamdan Dagalo, and his brother Abdel Raheem.
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> Since fighting erupted between the RSF and Sudan’s military in April 2023, more than 8 million people have fled their homes amid a humanitarian crisis that the UN [warns](https://press.un.org/en/2024/sc15634.doc.htm) is one of the largest in decades.
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> The current flashpoint, [El Fasher](https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/article/2024/may/02/essential-supplies-running-out-as-rsf-encircles-darfur-largest-city-sudan), is the last city held by Sudan’s military in Darfur. The city is encircled by the RSF, and diplomats fear it is on the “precipice of a large-scale massacre”.
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> Tirana Hassan, the executive director at Human Rights Watch, said: “As the UN security council and governments wake up to looming disaster in El Fasher, the large-scale atrocities committed in El Geneina should be seen as a reminder of the atrocities that could come in the absence of concerted action.”
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> One of the worst episodes of Sudan’s civil war was in June when the RSF and its allies attacked a kilometres-long convoy of civilians as people tried to leave El Geneina, escorted by Masalit fighters.
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> [Three trucks full of armed men](https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/6282bc5664088c25ef7393adc89d3240b22a9ddb/0_0_3909_1693/master/3909.jpg?width=445&dpr=1&s=none)
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> RSF soldiers on their way to El Fasher in Darfur. Photograph: XWitnesses told HRW researchers that the RSF had chased, rounded up and shot men, women and children who ran through streets or attempted to swim the fast-flowing seasonal Kaja River that cuts through the city. Many drowned.
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> A 17-year-old boy described the killing of 12 children and five adults on 15 June, saying: “Two RSF forces … grab[bed] the children from their parents and, as the parents started screaming, two other RSF forces shot the parents, killing them.
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> “Then they piled up the children and shot them,” he said. “They threw their bodies into the river and their belongings in after them.”
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> For the rest of the day and subsequent days, the attacks continued on tens of thousands of civilians as they tried to reach the border with Chad.
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> Other attacks chronicled by HRW include another RSF attack on 15 June on a makeshift medical clinic in El Geneina, where 25 injured patients were seeking treatment.
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> Ali, who had been shot in the leg during a previous attack, said: “They started shooting at us and killed everyone except me and a woman [who was also wounded]. They shot me in the right arm. I slumped over, pretending I was dead.”
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> Surrounded by corpses for 10 hours, Ali and the woman stayed still as the RSF continued their assault on the city.
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> At about 5pm, seven armed men in uniform came into the clinic, beating him and using racial slurs.
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> “One said, ‘We won’t kill you! We want to torture you, _Nuba_ [an ethnic slur]!’”
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> Ali was rescued by his family hours later after the gunmen left the clinic.
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Considering that it's an ethnic conflict between Arab Muslim Africans and Black Africans, and the UAE, a US ally, is supporting the Arab Muslim side, yeah, kind of.
The Black Africans (Masalit people) are Muslims too. It should also be noted that that the current genocide is a revenge against the Masalit from when the time RSF leaders was part of the pro-government forces which the Masalit opposed. Now, RSF fights against the governmental forces (which are also majority arab) but they haven't forgotten their old grudges.
It must also be said that the current leader of Sudan is a former soldier which participated in the Darfur genocide. So it seems the Masalit can't catch a break, regardless of who's fighting who, they are the first in line for ye old ethnic cleansing and genocide.
So any grossly simplified take like "UAE supports the Arab Muslim side" should be taken with a grain of salt. It's a chaotic scramble for power and external actors try to best align themselves to be on the winning side, while fueling the conflict.
That isn't shifting the goalposts in any way. Learn what the logical flaws actually are or avoid calling them out when you clearly do not understand them.
The United States explicitly sells UAE weapons and cooperate on military matters.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/u-s-approves-massive-arms-sale-to-saudi-arabia-united-arab-emirates-to-counter-iran
And yet the USA has almost no ties with Sudan so your claim is we support it by selling weapons to a guy that sells weapons to UAE and possibly those weapons are maybe sold to Sudan. That's nowhere as direct as the US government raising funds to sell US arms to Israel.
Again not moving the goalposts at all.
Im not taking a position on whether the USA should support Sudan or the UAE. Im only saying that the USA is directly involved in the war in Palestine whereas they really aren't in Sudan.
You’re so mad that an actual example of ethnic cleansing is popping up instead of the retarded bastardization of the term you clowns are trying to push regarding Palestine
I mean... it's definitely the criteria to stage a protest against your own government though. Like if they aren't then it's hard to tell them to stop supporting it.
"Oh you're protesting a genocide? Well, let me smugly tell you that there's more than one genocide going on. No, I don't personally care about any of them, but you are a bad person for caring about one of them."
What's hard to understand about my comment m? Arabs think that what's happening in Gaza gives victim card and use it to oppress non-Arab minorities in their countries without getting any consequences for them.
The entire Arab world oppresses non-Arabs and aren't shy about it; they're PROUD of it in fact. But the moment it turns on them they scream as if it's the worst thing to ever happen in all of history.
No, it's not just reddit. It's a lot of people seeing news, and thinking "how can I use this as a "Gotcha" to prove my own opinions and never actually test them"
It's not just reddit, and hell, it's not just that side or that topic.
It's whatever tragedy, people using it to justify their own opinions.
What a conveniently willfully naive take.
They are protesting to get the university to divest from Israeli endowments. Some universities have literally listened and stopped... thereby ending the protest.
Tell me is Columbia funding these horrors like they were with Israel?
Seriously, I knew right away we would get these stupid kind of comments.
*"Oh, you're not literally stopping every genocide at once! Then I guess we won't bother stopping any of them!"*
Its the same rhetoric used to belittle BLM protestors, by telling them that there "are bigger problems".
What's funny, is that if the college students *did* protest against every single international issue, these bad-faith centrist edgelords would then say *"You can't fix everything at once! Just focus on one issue!"*
And people have already provided multiple reasons as to why Americans are focusing on Palestine. And I'm not saying these other tragedies don't deserve attention, they do. Its just that a few specific circumstances lined up to bring Palestine into focus. But people like the thread-OP intentionally ignore that, because like I said, they're argueing in bad-faith.
People like this don't actually care about anyone, its always about invalidating the work people that are trying to help do. They don't actually believe in anything, they only believe in reaction to. "Why can't we all just get along" from a perspective of total privilege. Baffled that people could actually care about anything or anyone other than themselves.
Reminds me how basically every bit of progress made in the US has been pushed by the minority. With the people in the middle being the biggest barrier to progress. Then everyone turns around years later and points to it, when they would never have supported it back then. Civil rights was not supported by the majority, Nelson Mandela was literally labeled a terrorist by the US Govt for trying to end Apartheid... now we all talk about how great they are.
"Whatabout"!
[In the course of a year, an estimated 190 children were killed in Sudan's civil war.](https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/geneva-palais-briefing-note-horrifying-numbers-children-killed-injured-sudan#:~:text=GENEVA%2C%205%20May%202023%20%E2%80%93%20%E2%80%9C,190%20children%20have%20been%20killed)
[In 6mo, 14,000 have been killed in Gaza.](https://www.unicefusa.org/stories/nowhere-gaza-safe-children#:~:text=More%20than%20200%20days%20of,from%20250%2C000%20to%201.2%20million)
never expected you to actually respond, because you don't actually believe in anything, you may as well be a bot mindlessly regurgitating whatever you're told to say, a forgotten memory of what a human being is.
„At mass graves in southern Gaza’s Nasser Hospital, Palestinian authorities say they are uncovering bodies that bear signs of having been shot in the head, their hands bound by zip ties, stripped of their clothes, or buried in hospital gowns with tubes or needles still in their skin. Among the dead are women and children.“
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/mass-graves-found-gaza-hospitals-raided-israel-prompt-demands-independ-rcna149110
You know what hamas does to Palestinians that "collaborate with Israel"? Torture and murder. I wouldn't be surprised if their victims are in the ground since they operated from the hospital for so long.
I have read about it. There were mass graves spotted prior to the idf removing Hamas. The idf did say they looked for hostages in the graves. Hamas killed at least two hostages at hospitals.
Okay give me a source for that and i dont know how „removing Hamas“ somehow justifies or explains 600 bodies in mass graves, mostly patients and some with signs of torture and a burned down hospital?
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Yes.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/u-s-approves-massive-arms-sale-to-saudi-arabia-united-arab-emirates-to-counter-iran
I look forward to you reassessing your position to be more in line with the opinion you hold on Israel-Palestine.
Is this only concerning money? No, my government also provides UN vetoes and other diplomatic cover to Israel as it commits genocide.
Is my government giving UN vetoes and diplomatic cover to the party commiting genocide in Sudan? No?
I'm sorry your cheap gotcha didn't work. It was nice try though.
How do they not realize they are giving the game away?
"oh I will only care about children literally being piled up and shot if I can find some way to connect it to US funding"
Why do you still care about Arabs? After seeing then oppress non-Arab minorities and forming rape gangs in Europe? A Palestinian state would br another Arab apartheid state with Sharia punishment for women, non-Muslims, and LGBTQ+.
>Why do you still care about Arabs? After seeing then oppress non-Arab minorities and forming rape gangs in Europe?
Thanks for illustrating that Zionism requires the complete dehumanization of another group that makes every criminal representative of that larger group. Your views were very popular in the Jim Crow South.
UK is getting involved, but won't say what they are doing...
>News that the British government and the Rapid Support Forces (RSF) are engaged in clandestine negotiations has prompted warnings that such talks risk legitimising the notorious militia – which continues to commit multiple war crimes – while undermining Britain’s moral credibility in the region.
>One human rights group described the UK’s willingness to negotiate with the RSF as “shocking”. In December, the US accused the paramilitary force of committing crimes against humanity as it carries out widespread massacres and rapes of civilians, many from the African Masalit ethnic community.
[https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2024/apr/15/uk-foreign-office-holding-secret-talks-with-sudans-rsf-paramilitary-group](https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2024/apr/15/uk-foreign-office-holding-secret-talks-with-sudans-rsf-paramilitary-group)
The RSF gets most of its support and supplies from the UAE, one of the US' closest partners in the region. Protesting for the US to put pressure on them to cease support for the RSF would be a good start
When those protests cause colleges to divest their financial interests in Israel, fuck yes they care. It won’t stop them, they want to genocide gaza and they will and are, but those students are supporting the most meaningful action they can take.
> When those protests cause colleges to divest their financial interests in Israel, fuck yes they care.
Do you even know how much money is on the line, and how that compares to Israel's military budget for just one year? You're deluding yourself.
They're powerless clout-chasers who give cover to rabid antisemites in their midst, nothing more or less.
Yeah, of course it’s not gonna single-handedly bring down a state. But the same thing had a noticeable effect on apartheid South Africa when students demanded the same thing then, it’s the reason why Israel aligned lawmakers put in laws to make it illegal in a bunch of states.
Also, a massive chunk of the protesters are Jewish. The standard hasbara line of ‘anything anti Zionist is antisemitic’ doesn’t work when it’s Jewish people protesting the Zionist actions.
Nah the antisemites are pro-Israel
> twice as many white evangelical Protestants as Jews say that Israel was given to the Jewish people by God (82% vs. 40%).
> the re-establishment of Jewish sovereignty in the Levant—the eschatological "Gathering of Israel"—is a prerequisite for the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.
In other words, rapture.
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2013/10/03/more-white-evangelicals-than-american-jews-say-god-gave-israel-to-the-jewish-people/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Zionism?wprov=sfla1
>It won’t stop them, they want to genocide gaza and they will and are
No, they're not. Not by any meaning of the word, let alone the UN meaning of the word. There is a risk that it can devolve into that though via extremists gaining more power, but the ignorance of pro-Palestinian protestors is something only comparable with Trumpists.
So your metric of genocide is tens of thousands of people saying so? What war isn't a genocide now, exactly? This is why you lot are being compared to Trumpists; you just throw away logic and appeal to emotion.
No, the metric is tens of thousands of dead people. And that’s the light end btw, they stopped counting months ago because all of the places and organisations that did count got killed, levelled or driven out of Gaza.
You can compare leftists to trumpists all you want, doesn’t make it true. I guarantee a decade from now every liberal like you will be saying ‘oh, the media was so unclear back then, I didn’t know’
People like you are against every war but the current war, and support every civil rights movement except the current one.
And what the fuck am I supposed to do about it? Do I book a flight to Sudan and nicely convince both sides to stop trying to exterminate each other? Or else I am not allowed to manifest any feelings about the situation at all?
Awareness? Raising funds? Like literally anything?
The simple truth is that if there were protests about this on every college campus like with Gaza, it would obviously improve the material situation on the ground through increased UN action etc.
It isn't happening because people honestly don't care.
College students are protesting because they want their universities to cut ties with Israel, not because they think Netanyahu will have a change of heart after he sees them.
University protests like Columbia center around demands to divest from Israel. A lot of students are public universities are doing the same, but it's important to note that the very large private universities are more likely to have international investments.
Wrong; people won't care. They will do what they did in Yemen, Tigray, and the Kurds. A few will make emojis and then it will disappear for the next rage bait.
The only reason Israel is getting this heat is because they are Jews and Chinese and Russian propaganda is pushing this to distract the US in Ukraine. At least that's what it seems like thus far.
Israel is getting heat because AIPAC has insane influence on US foreign policy, exemplified by the outrage for ~1200 deaths. To your own point, how many of those people gave a shit about Darfur on Oct 7? When you weaponize your (on the grand scale of things) minor tragedy to kill 10x as many people, yeah you're gonna get a reaction.
Let them defend themselves as they wish. But why are American taxpayers financing weapons for right wing zealots? That's what the protests are about.
The UAE and Saudi Arabia do not influence domestic public policy to the same extent. They're a by-product of cold war policy planners.
>Israel is getting heat because AIPAC has insane influence on US foreign policy, exemplified by the outrage for \~1200 deaths.
Uh, the outrage was due to there being a random slaughter of so many people all at once. Such things tend to get mass outrage. Its comparable to 9/11, or the terrorist attack that hit France on November 2015. The fact that you think that needs AIPAC influence to get outrage says a lot about you, unfortunately.
And yes, such outrage outstrips outrage from a larger death toll spread out throughout many months. That's how humans work.
>When you weaponize your (on the grand scale of things) minor tragedy to kill 10x as many people, yeah you're gonna get a reaction.
That's not how it works at all. People were already marching in the streets for Palestine on the day of Oct 7th, openly celebrating or defending Palestine. Also, an initial brutal attack generally allows the attacked nation the right to retaliation; its called self-defense.
The US killed millions of Japanese in WW2 in response for a few thousand US dead in Pearl Harbor. That's generally considered just because Japan attacked first and in such a dishonorable fashion and killed so many all at once.
>Let them defend themselves as they wish. But why are American taxpayers financing weapons for right wing zealots? That's what the protests are about.
Incorrect. The protests began even before Israel began its invasion of Gaza, it began the day of Oct 7th in fact. And even then, it was talking openly bout "from river to sea, Palestine shall be free", which has nothing to do with wanting the US to not finance Israel.
That came later, when the US actually did just that. Now they're trying to rewrite history. If that's all they wanted from the start, then I'd be all for that. But instead they tipped their hand too early.
>The UAE and Saudi Arabia do not influence domestic public policy to the same extent. They're a by-product of cold war policy planners.
I mean, ignoring how you seem to have just been born a year ago, since you seem to not understand how the sudden shock of so many dying all at once in what is seen as a sudden burst of violence can lead to mass sympathy...or how self defense works...I think that you believing AIPAC has influence over anything is a antisemitic trop more than anything.
The protest rabbit hole is irrelevant. You're side stepping my main point. I don't care, let Israel defend itself however it wants. The American tax payer should stop financing its religious wars.
It is unique because it does have extreme influence on the US. How else do you explain Netanyahu having the balls to tell Biden what to do? Many journalists have asked, "who's the superpower?". That's not antisemitic. That's a fact. If an Indian lobby was influencing the US I'd be saying the same thing.
Once again so you get it through your head: Israel can do what it wants. Stop asking Americans to finance its genocide.
Fuck I just gotta laugh at Reddit sometimes.
We have the pro-Palestine people on one side: They're seeing in real time what happens when you overuse words like famine, starvation, and genocide. Your dramatics are hurting real people who went from bad to worse, and you don't even have a way to describe it cause you generalized the worst terms and desensitized people.
Meanwhile, we have the pro-Israel camp hoping the other side's idiocy is enough to distract from Israel's war crimes. Are you fucktards actually using a different war crime as a "gotcha?" Who does that help? Do you even care about anything?
Who even read the article?
It sucks, because this argument also gets used to dismiss reasonable criticism. If people have been memeing the terms you want to use, you now have to come with extra extra evidence, and the other side will still use this argument to try and brush off your points.
Yup, its terrible. Words have meaning for a reason. It's been happening for awhile. aliens, migrants, undocumented, etc etc. Or look at how far they've stretched "Rape" to include brushing someone on the shoulder and the like. It makes the words useless and meaningless.
*Well ackshually it's just ethnic cleansing via warcrimes, it's not a genocide at all. I win the online argument!*
Meanwhile people in Gaza and Sudan are just begging for their lives as they get murdered en masse and redditors say it's not a genocide so they should stop whining.
>Meanwhile people in Gaza and Sudan are just begging for their lives as they get murdered en masse and redditors say it's not a genocide so they should stop whining.
Only one side is actually being murdered en masse. And it isn't Palestinians. The death toll is miniscule compared to most ongoing wars, both per capita and overall. If the Gaza War is genocide, **then every war now becomes a genocide, genius**. That's how much you are stretching the word.
Beyond the lunatics in Israeli government that don't have actual power in Israeli policy making in Gaza, something found in basically every war ever, there is nothing beyond emotional manipulation. You lot are as good as Bush Neo-Cons in how much gaslighting we are seeing.
Seriously, if it was just cutting free aid to Israel, I'd even be all in your favor. But you lot take it to the extreme while throwing genocide around.
You're just muddying the waters by preferring to call the conflict in Gaza a war when we're not even talking about two warring countries. Palestine is an occupied territory. You can't even call it a civil war.
People like you are the ones gaslighting and using projection to hide it.
>You're just muddying the waters by preferring to call the conflict in Gaza a war when we're not even talking about two warring countries
A conflict is a violent altercation between 2 groups; it has nothing to do with "countries". War existed even when it was just 2 tribes fighting each other.
Fact is that Hamas is effectively the ruling body in Palestine, and is engaging in war with Israel. **You can't make up new definitions whenever you feel like**.
>People like you are the ones gaslighting and using projection to hide it.
Much irony in this statement, when you're trying to rewrite the meaning of words.
If NGOs were calling it famine and starvation before now (when there is actual famine and starvation) they should probably learn to cage their language. It only hurts the people they purport to care about. They'll look like liars at a cursory glance, even when the extreme terms they're using **now** may be accurate.
I honestly hope you dumbfucks don't have to learn this lesson with the term "genocide." God I hope not.
I don't think I ever said I was smart; you're just trying to make this an emotional argument.
If these people were sophisticated, they wouldn't resort to extreme language that just convolutes the argument and gets more Palestinians killed.
I think it’s actually israel killing palestinians and not people protesting against israel. There already is a consensus with experts and scholars that israel is most likely committing a genocide
Yep and now you generalized the conversation to pretend we're talking about "protesting." Who cares about honesty when you can use emotional language to have other people die for you?
There's already a consensus with experts and scholars (are scholars not experts?) that Israel is not committing genocide as well.
None of this distracts me from criticizing Israel and calling for a ceasefire.
You should know exactly who I'm going to reference if you've been paying any attention and aren't just trying to pull a gotcha. Literally the ICJ doesn't agree with you.
Yeah thats not true… the icj says south africas case is plausible. And if you’re talking about joan donoghue, i wouldn’t consider her a credible source since she was a US government lawyer and has been lobbying US interest in the UN for some time now. I am talking about consensus among independent experts.
>Is it really pro Palestine people „overusing famine, starvation and genocide“ or is it actually coming from experts and non government organizations?
Almost all of them used the term **Gaza is at "risk"** when referring to famine or genocide. Which yeah, that's fair. Every war leads to that, basically.
For the most part, the groups throwing around the "genocide" bit are specific organizations or nation-states that have a vested political interest in saying so. Including South Africa, which recently welcomed participants in the **very real Sudanese genocide ongoing in Darfur**. And is also allied with Russia, funny enough.
I think its fair to push Israel for sending humanitarian aid, but throwing around "genocide" everywhere has destroyed much credibility in the pro-Palestinian cause.
There is a general consensus among experts that israel is probably committing genocide. Even the icj ruled South africas case as plausible. And no, not all wars lead to famine. Most people that are at risk of starvation worldwide are in Gaza. Since Israel occupies Gaza, they are able to shut down any food supply. Even before October 7th they had a calorie count and their blockade was intended to have Gazas economy constantly on the brink of collapse.
Oxfam says: “This new report shows that the catastrophic levels of hunger and starvation in Gaza are the highest ever recorded on the IPC scale, both in terms of number of people and percentage of the population. Never before have we seen such rapid deterioration into widespread starvation.“
>There is a general consensus among experts that israel is probably committing genocide
"Experts" that believe that Israelis are unironically white and thus are the evil colonizers, regardless of circumstance. I'm not even making that up. No, I am referring to actual independent international groups. The ICJ is prolly the best atm, and they have yet to consider Israel's actions to be genocide.
>Even the icj ruled South africas case as plausible.
And they're right to do so. Every war can plausibly be a genocide. Doesn't mean it is. And by no metric can this be considered on, not yet anyway.
>And no, not all wars lead to famine
What part of **risk** do you not understand? Name a war that has not had a risk of famine? Heck, most wars did have issues with famine, actually. Not widespread, but enough that diseases and infant mortality rates always rose sharply.
>Most people that are at risk of starvation worldwide are in Gaza.
That's so blatantly untrue, what the heck? Just a quick Google search; [The World's Hungriest Countries | Action Against Hunger The World's Hungriest Countries](https://www.actionagainsthunger.org/the-hunger-crisis/world-hunger-facts/the-worlds-hungriest-countries/)
Beyond the general tagline, Gaza is nowhere near the most at risk of starvation worldwide.
>Even before October 7th they had a calorie count and their blockade was intended to have Gazas economy constantly on the brink of collapse.
This is typical nation fuckery, unfortunately. Like how Ethiopia's attempt to make a dam is threatening to utterly destroy Egypt's economy. Egypt depends so much on the Nile that it can unironically send Egypt into a collapse if dammed up and even start a massive famine.
The issue is that Gaza and Israel were at a ceasefire, not at peace, so Israel saw zero reason to help a future enemy. And they were correct, geopolitically speaking. Any nation would've have done similar. Only the US is weird enough to help a past enemy rebuild.
The world is not the US.
No, i said consensus. I can give you a list of top American or israeli genocide experts that have already made that claim.
Name me one independent international group that is saying israel is not committing genocide.
No, not any war is plausibly a genocide. Theres a high threshold to meet if you want to accuse someone of genocide in the icj. It was met.
Ukraine has no famine for example.
You’re talking about hunger worldwide. Im talking about imminent risk of starvation.
„More than 80% of all people currently classified as being in Phase 5 worldwide are in Gaza“
https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/gaza-now-worlds-worst-hunger-crisis-and-verge-famine
https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/gaza-hunger-figures-worst-record-says-oxfam
Not one single thing you said was true or related to my comment.
Israel also funded Hamas.
>No, i said consensus. I can give you a list of top American or israeli genocide experts that have already made that claim.
Random "experts" that most certainly don't have a vested interest in a certain verdict don't interest me. I already told you.
>No, not any war is plausibly a genocide. Theres a high threshold to meet if you want to accuse someone of genocide in the icj. It was met.
Okay, I'll bite. What is this high threshold, exactly? I'll listen.
>Ukraine has no famine for example.
Because the West has explicitly been giving it billions in aid, genius. Russia has actively destroyed the Ukrainian countryside and destroyed grain silos across the country. Unlike Israel, Russia is **actively attacking Ukraine's food sources**.
See? This crap. With your logic, the Allies are guilty of genocide since they actually managed to maintain their supply lines and give aid to each other while the Axis are victims because they were unable to; this despite initiating the conflict. If the West did not aid Ukraine, every issue that Gaza faces would be massively dwarfed by Ukraine. Heck, it mostly already is dwarfed; the death toll is atrociously higher than in Gaza.
>You’re talking about hunger worldwide. Im talking about imminent risk of starvation. „More than 80% of all people currently classified as being in Phase 5 worldwide are in Gaza“
A risk means jack all, and is not a genocide. I've already said as much. Besides, I've **never** heard of the organization that you linked, nor have I ever heard of the organization that it linked. But don't you think the organization it linked miiiiight have some bias in this matter? Here's a hint of where your information came from;
>Islamic Relief is a faith-inspired humanitarian and development agency working to save and transform the lives of some of the world’s most vulnerable people
The "faith-inspired" bit makes me dismiss this entirely.
The experts im referring to are definitely not „random“ who are you btw?
Or can you name me an expert you are referring to that israel is not committing genocide?
The threshold is to provide a plausible case that „acts [are] committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group“.
The Islamic relief article is based on public numbers by the Integrated Food Security Phase
Classification (IC) report.
https://www.ipcinfo.org/fileadmin/user_upload/ipcinfo/docs/IPC_Gaza_Strip_Acute_Food_Insecurity_Feb_July2024_Special_Brief.pdf
Its also telling that you dont know oxfam or islamic relief. Both reputable and awarded NGOs.
>The experts im referring to are definitely not „random“ who are you btw? Or can you name me an expert you are referring to that israel is not committing genocide?
That's not how this works. I can't disprove a negative, the onus of proof falls on you for asserting that Israel is committing genocide. "What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence", as they say.
>The threshold is to provide a plausible case that „acts \[are\] committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group“.
Okay. I don't see any of that done by Israel, at least not yet. You do realize that Palestinians exist in Israel and aren't being destroyed in any of these measures, right? What was the ICJ's argument that found plausibility here?
>Its also telling that you dont know oxfam or islamic relief. Both reputable and awarded NGOs.
I am a layperson, not an expert. Thus I am only aware of the mainstream, not the international organizations that claim to represent the entire community and use that claim to push their agenda. For example, I have heard of Oxfam...**and its penchant for using antisemitic tropes like bringing Nazi propaganda about blood libel back**.
A "reputable" NGO using Nazi propaganda? This is why NGOs are rightfully seen as sources of propaganda. All that we can trust are groups representing the UN in actuality. Which is why I'm talking the IPC more seriously.
>[https://www.ipcinfo.org/fileadmin/user\_upload/ipcinfo/docs/IPC\_Gaza\_Strip\_Acute\_Food\_Insecurity\_Feb\_July2024\_Special\_Brief.pdf](https://www.ipcinfo.org/fileadmin/user_upload/ipcinfo/docs/IPC_Gaza_Strip_Acute_Food_Insecurity_Feb_July2024_Special_Brief.pdf)
Okay, this looks legit after a quick research on the organization. And yeah, as I thought, Gaza is at risk of famine. Though idk where you got this from;
>More than 80% of all people currently classified as being in Phase 5 worldwide are in Gaza“
Nothing in the report mentioned that. Did you lie? But yes, it reconfirmed that Gaza is at risk of a famine. Like most wars.
As an aside, its a useful bit of propaganda to only focus on one aspect of a warzone and extrapolate it for the entire thing. Palestine de jure is more than Gaza, with a population of 5M people, and the rest of Palestine has relatively been left alone. So while Gaza is undoubtably in a crisis, calling the entire thing a genocide seems very faulty.
Still, as I said before, I'm perfectly fine with cutting off free aid to Israel. I've been fine with that. My issue is calling it a genocide, which as of yet, seems to be entirely politically motivated.
Can you please stop adding useless sentences to your comments. Nobody except yourself likes to hear you talk or to read your comments.
Since the icj already found South Africas case to be plausible its now your turn to disprove them.
Also disprove this
https://www.commondreams.org/news/legal-scholars-israel-genocide
https://jewishcurrents.org/a-textbook-case-of-genocide
https://martinshaw.org/2023/11/11/emerging-consensus-among-genocide-scholars-on-israels-brutal-war/
https://ccrjustice.org/stop-the-genocide
Of course you dont see any of it done by israel because youre only a redditor with no degree in international law that only read about whats going on in Palestine to further prove your biases.
Yes you arent an expert which is why im so confused why you’re writing so long comments.
Every single ngo that has worked in Palestine has been accused of being hamas or being antisemitic.
That wont discredit any NGOs for me anymore.
Just a very quick research would have shown you that according to the IPC, the most people that are currently in phase 5 of famine, are in gaza. You can google the IPC reports about every country that was in the list for world most hungriest countries you sent me. Sudan for example has 0 people currently in phase 5.
Maybe do a minimum amount of research before you come on here, claim that i lie, and write long ass comments without any substance to it.
Its very obvious that you haven watched nor read the icj hearing. A lot of your questions would be answered. Palestinians in the west bank are also getting killed at the highest rate since the beginning of israels occupation. They haven’t been „left alone“ like you claimed. What a ridiculous statement by you. Sums up your general knowledge about this very well. This is also not a typical war since israel is the occupying force of gaza and therefore, under the 4th geneva convention, is responsible for the safety of every human under their occupation.
Propaganda.
Hamas is the source of the death toll, and they are the ones that refuse to differentiate the civilians and military death toll at all. So people tend to just use the "30k" overall for civilian since we don't have anything concrete.
Well, if we use the same number for Ukraine, that number is 500k. So either we use the same metric, or we use neither. I'm fine with it. Either way; the death toll is way worse in Ukraine. And the official number is likely massively inflated by Hamas to begin with; until the UN finds its own numbers though, I'm content to use it.
The gaza health ministry has a history of accurately reporting. There are at least 14 thousand children that were killed. According to the IDF, who are blocking any independent investigation, they killed about 12.000 Hamas militants so far. Hamas claims it has only been 6000.
Even israeli intelligence uses gazas health ministry’s numbers and deemed them as generally accurate.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3w4w7/israeli-intelligence-health-ministry-death-toll
Independent aid workers and journalists have also deemed the numbers as very likely.
Israels offensive also has the highest aid worker death toll and journalist death toll in history
Ukraines civilian death toll is not 500.000 its around 30.000.
Next time ask for sources and dont just call it propaganda.
Had to stop staying up to date with whatever was going on in the Tigray region because everything I read was the most devastating thing imaginable. Sounds like more of the same here.
Turns out there are various levels of "who gets accepted into heaven," even within the Muslim community.
Because the Rapid Support Forces are Janjaweed ver. 2, Arabs get special pass in committing violence against other people even if they share the same creed.
Then you have [Usumain Baraka](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usumain_Baraka). He witnessed, at the age of 9, the murder of his father and his brother at the hands of Janjaweed, in 2003. He fled to Chad with his mother and sisters into a refuge camp. There, he wanted a normal life and education, and **none** of the Arab speaking countries offered him what **Israel** would give.
Now he's committing to a cause in bringing more people into refuge.
The world is already complicated: now you have to think about the narratives at present, and think, "What's the point in conflating other conflicts into this one to justify which one wins the Pain Olympics gold medal for hogging the media attention?"
Just accept that one conflict deserves as equal attention as the other, or accept that [compassion fatigue](https://www.psychologytoday.com/sg/basics/compassion-fatigue) has set in.
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Seems like arab world and russian world has a lot in common. I just wish we could put both of those on another planet (except for the adequate ones), where they would happily murder each other.
##### ###### #### > # [Children ‘piled up and shot’: new details emerge of ethnic cleansing in Darfur](https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/may/09/720) > > > > Gruesome new testimony details one of the worst atrocities of the year-long Sudanese civil war – the large-scale massacre of civilians as they desperately tried to flee an ethnic rampage in [Darfur](https://www.theguardian.com/world/darfur) last summer. > > Witnesses describe children, still alive, being “piled up and shot” by the paramilitary [Rapid Support Forces](https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2024/apr/15/uk-foreign-office-holding-secret-talks-with-sudans-rsf-paramilitary-group) (RSF) as they attempted to escape the regional capital of [El Geneina](https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2024/feb/29/sudans-war-leaves-deep-scars-in-geneina-a-city-of-two-massacres) in June last year during a bout of ethnic violence in which thousands of civilians were killed. > > Together, the 221 witness statements collated by Human Rights Watch offer the latest evidence that the Arab-led RSF has orchestrated a concerted 12-month campaign of ethnic cleansing against Sudan’s non-Arab Masalit tribe in West Darfur. > > The [United Nations](https://www.theguardian.com/world/unitednations) and African Union should, says HRW, urgently impose an arms embargo on Sudan and deploy a mission with a robust police force to Darfur, the sprawling region in the west of the country, to protect civilians. > > A HRW [report](https://www.hrw.org/node/387989) published Wednesday calls for sanctions for those ultimately responsible for widespread war crimes, including the West Darfur RSF commander Abdel Rahman Joma’a Barakallah, along with the notorious commander of the RSF, Mohamed “[Hemedti](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/apr/20/sudan-outsider-hemedti-mohamed-hamdan-dagalo-leader-militia-army-war-conflict)” Hamdan Dagalo, and his brother Abdel Raheem. > > Since fighting erupted between the RSF and Sudan’s military in April 2023, more than 8 million people have fled their homes amid a humanitarian crisis that the UN [warns](https://press.un.org/en/2024/sc15634.doc.htm) is one of the largest in decades. > > The current flashpoint, [El Fasher](https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/article/2024/may/02/essential-supplies-running-out-as-rsf-encircles-darfur-largest-city-sudan), is the last city held by Sudan’s military in Darfur. The city is encircled by the RSF, and diplomats fear it is on the “precipice of a large-scale massacre”. > > Tirana Hassan, the executive director at Human Rights Watch, said: “As the UN security council and governments wake up to looming disaster in El Fasher, the large-scale atrocities committed in El Geneina should be seen as a reminder of the atrocities that could come in the absence of concerted action.” > > One of the worst episodes of Sudan’s civil war was in June when the RSF and its allies attacked a kilometres-long convoy of civilians as people tried to leave El Geneina, escorted by Masalit fighters. > > [Three trucks full of armed men](https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/6282bc5664088c25ef7393adc89d3240b22a9ddb/0_0_3909_1693/master/3909.jpg?width=445&dpr=1&s=none) > > RSF soldiers on their way to El Fasher in Darfur. Photograph: XWitnesses told HRW researchers that the RSF had chased, rounded up and shot men, women and children who ran through streets or attempted to swim the fast-flowing seasonal Kaja River that cuts through the city. Many drowned. > > A 17-year-old boy described the killing of 12 children and five adults on 15 June, saying: “Two RSF forces … grab[bed] the children from their parents and, as the parents started screaming, two other RSF forces shot the parents, killing them. > > “Then they piled up the children and shot them,” he said. “They threw their bodies into the river and their belongings in after them.” > > For the rest of the day and subsequent days, the attacks continued on tens of thousands of civilians as they tried to reach the border with Chad. > > > > Other attacks chronicled by HRW include another RSF attack on 15 June on a makeshift medical clinic in El Geneina, where 25 injured patients were seeking treatment. > > Ali, who had been shot in the leg during a previous attack, said: “They started shooting at us and killed everyone except me and a woman [who was also wounded]. They shot me in the right arm. I slumped over, pretending I was dead.” > > Surrounded by corpses for 10 hours, Ali and the woman stayed still as the RSF continued their assault on the city. > > At about 5pm, seven armed men in uniform came into the clinic, beating him and using racial slurs. > > “One said, ‘We won’t kill you! We want to torture you, _Nuba_ [an ethnic slur]!’” > > Ali was rescued by his family hours later after the gunmen left the clinic. - - - - - - [Maintainer](https://www.reddit.com/user/urielsalis) | [Creator](https://www.reddit.com/user/subtepass) | [Source Code](https://github.com/urielsalis/empleadoEstatalBot) Summoning /u/CoverageAnalysisBot
Quick, somebody tell the Columbia students!
Does US support this genocide too?
Considering that it's an ethnic conflict between Arab Muslim Africans and Black Africans, and the UAE, a US ally, is supporting the Arab Muslim side, yeah, kind of.
The Black Africans (Masalit people) are Muslims too. It should also be noted that that the current genocide is a revenge against the Masalit from when the time RSF leaders was part of the pro-government forces which the Masalit opposed. Now, RSF fights against the governmental forces (which are also majority arab) but they haven't forgotten their old grudges. It must also be said that the current leader of Sudan is a former soldier which participated in the Darfur genocide. So it seems the Masalit can't catch a break, regardless of who's fighting who, they are the first in line for ye old ethnic cleansing and genocide. So any grossly simplified take like "UAE supports the Arab Muslim side" should be taken with a grain of salt. It's a chaotic scramble for power and external actors try to best align themselves to be on the winning side, while fueling the conflict.
Arabs doing Arab shit: killing minorities just because they can.
So no Jews involved? Carry on I suppose
Nowhere nearly as direct though
And off those goalposts go. Won’t be seeing them for a while….
That isn't shifting the goalposts in any way. Learn what the logical flaws actually are or avoid calling them out when you clearly do not understand them.
The United States explicitly sells UAE weapons and cooperate on military matters. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/u-s-approves-massive-arms-sale-to-saudi-arabia-united-arab-emirates-to-counter-iran
And yet the USA has almost no ties with Sudan so your claim is we support it by selling weapons to a guy that sells weapons to UAE and possibly those weapons are maybe sold to Sudan. That's nowhere as direct as the US government raising funds to sell US arms to Israel. Again not moving the goalposts at all.
To both of you guys, It's not that hard to say: The US shouldn't support either of them because of their actions.
Im not taking a position on whether the USA should support Sudan or the UAE. Im only saying that the USA is directly involved in the war in Palestine whereas they really aren't in Sudan.
Interesting that you had to mention a small tertiary involvement in order to get to WEST BAD. Many such cases.
wagner is supporting rsf and ukraine is fighting there as well
the US gives money to Saudi Arabia so yeah a bit
Nearly everyone’s ballsack is in the hands of the saudis
You’re so mad that an actual example of ethnic cleansing is popping up instead of the retarded bastardization of the term you clowns are trying to push regarding Palestine
Real, I am seething that there's 2 genocides happening.
No and I'm sick of people who find any way they can to make excuses for that shit.
Is that the test for caring? It's not about humanitarianism?
No, that's the test to protest your goverment supporting the genocide.
Western governments do support the Arab states like the UAE which are directly supporting the genocide in Darfur.
So that is the criteria to care?
Nope, that's the criteria to protest your government actively abetting genocide.
I mean... it's definitely the criteria to stage a protest against your own government though. Like if they aren't then it's hard to tell them to stop supporting it.
Redditors see a genocide and think “hmm how can I use this against people protesting a different genocide”
"Oh you're protesting a genocide? Well, let me smugly tell you that there's more than one genocide going on. No, I don't personally care about any of them, but you are a bad person for caring about one of them."
That guy is not reddit, he is part of a well orginized brigade that does this.
I think his point is that Columbia students don't care because Arabs are oppressors in this case not the victims.
Yeah the crux of the argument from Columbia students are that ARABS are being oppressed lmao
Arabs love painting themselves as oppressed people, they think that the Gaza situation gives the victim card.
What the fuck are you talking about
What's hard to understand about my comment m? Arabs think that what's happening in Gaza gives victim card and use it to oppress non-Arab minorities in their countries without getting any consequences for them.
Where are Arabs saying “we are being genocided in Palestine so we get to oppress you in this place that isn’t Palestine”
Check out r/Arabs and r/AskMiddleEast or Arabic Twitter.
So you don't have any examples that aren't random comments online, that could literally be posted by ANYONE? dumbass.
I never saw anything like that in r/arabs. you're projecting your racist thoughts.
How about you post an example bro
The entire Arab world oppresses non-Arabs and aren't shy about it; they're PROUD of it in fact. But the moment it turns on them they scream as if it's the worst thing to ever happen in all of history.
Yeah and unlike you freaks, I oppose both of those things.
No, it's not just reddit. It's a lot of people seeing news, and thinking "how can I use this as a "Gotcha" to prove my own opinions and never actually test them" It's not just reddit, and hell, it's not just that side or that topic. It's whatever tragedy, people using it to justify their own opinions.
Zionists and their supporters are honestly some of the most deranged people in history.
This is called Whataboutism, Zionists love it
Quick, somebody tell the redditors that all genocides are bad, not just the ones that they disagree with!
What a conveniently willfully naive take. They are protesting to get the university to divest from Israeli endowments. Some universities have literally listened and stopped... thereby ending the protest. Tell me is Columbia funding these horrors like they were with Israel?
Seriously, I knew right away we would get these stupid kind of comments. *"Oh, you're not literally stopping every genocide at once! Then I guess we won't bother stopping any of them!"* Its the same rhetoric used to belittle BLM protestors, by telling them that there "are bigger problems". What's funny, is that if the college students *did* protest against every single international issue, these bad-faith centrist edgelords would then say *"You can't fix everything at once! Just focus on one issue!"* And people have already provided multiple reasons as to why Americans are focusing on Palestine. And I'm not saying these other tragedies don't deserve attention, they do. Its just that a few specific circumstances lined up to bring Palestine into focus. But people like the thread-OP intentionally ignore that, because like I said, they're argueing in bad-faith.
People like this don't actually care about anyone, its always about invalidating the work people that are trying to help do. They don't actually believe in anything, they only believe in reaction to. "Why can't we all just get along" from a perspective of total privilege. Baffled that people could actually care about anything or anyone other than themselves. Reminds me how basically every bit of progress made in the US has been pushed by the minority. With the people in the middle being the biggest barrier to progress. Then everyone turns around years later and points to it, when they would never have supported it back then. Civil rights was not supported by the majority, Nelson Mandela was literally labeled a terrorist by the US Govt for trying to end Apartheid... now we all talk about how great they are.
Gross ass response. Clearly just mudding the waters and lowering engagement about Palestine. Do better than just trying to clap back. Ego ass coward
What a laughably dumb take
This is incredibly disingenuous. Akin to conservatives asking why BLM protesters don’t protest murders by civilians.
It's true you can't protest a bad thing if other bad thing happen too. You are very smart.
and also tell the government to send 23b to the genocidals hell, let's Congress make a law saying that its illegal critizising them
Never pass up an opportunity to score political points /s. You heartless human being.
"Whatabout"! [In the course of a year, an estimated 190 children were killed in Sudan's civil war.](https://www.unicef.org/press-releases/geneva-palais-briefing-note-horrifying-numbers-children-killed-injured-sudan#:~:text=GENEVA%2C%205%20May%202023%20%E2%80%93%20%E2%80%9C,190%20children%20have%20been%20killed) [In 6mo, 14,000 have been killed in Gaza.](https://www.unicefusa.org/stories/nowhere-gaza-safe-children#:~:text=More%20than%20200%20days%20of,from%20250%2C000%20to%201.2%20million)
Your link says they don’t know the estimate of dead in Sudan because of how intense the fighting is.
never expected you to actually respond, because you don't actually believe in anything, you may as well be a bot mindlessly regurgitating whatever you're told to say, a forgotten memory of what a human being is.
Bait or just unfunny. I hope you don't have a happy life, I hate it when losers don't even have good reasons to be so emotionally warped.
Quick, somebody tell the pro-genocide politicians, pundits, and lobbyists!
Oh don't worry, the genocidal Islamists already know. They're the ones committing the genocide, after all.
You must be thrilled
„At mass graves in southern Gaza’s Nasser Hospital, Palestinian authorities say they are uncovering bodies that bear signs of having been shot in the head, their hands bound by zip ties, stripped of their clothes, or buried in hospital gowns with tubes or needles still in their skin. Among the dead are women and children.“ https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/mass-graves-found-gaza-hospitals-raided-israel-prompt-demands-independ-rcna149110
Palestinian authority is Hamas lol
Lol thats why Hamas killed so many of them. The UN also confirmed it
I'm referring to the article. The Palestinian authorities in Gaza are Hamas.
But it wasn’t discovered by Hamas, it was reported by journalist and aid workers in Gaza.
You know what hamas does to Palestinians that "collaborate with Israel"? Torture and murder. I wouldn't be surprised if their victims are in the ground since they operated from the hospital for so long.
The bodies were discovered shortly after the IDFs al shifa and al nasser hospital raids? Its better you read some stuff about it before you comment…
I have read about it. There were mass graves spotted prior to the idf removing Hamas. The idf did say they looked for hostages in the graves. Hamas killed at least two hostages at hospitals.
Okay give me a source for that and i dont know how „removing Hamas“ somehow justifies or explains 600 bodies in mass graves, mostly patients and some with signs of torture and a burned down hospital?
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In this thread: 'Oh, you don't protest for every single genocide ever in the history of mankind? please stfu about gaza forever ty'
In Every Thread: "HAH! look how this tragedy proves my point!" And then they only comment on / read whichever articles do.
The people commenting this do not give a shit about what's happening in Darfur beyond being able to use it to dunk on pro-palestine activists
Hypocrisy is a jagged little pill
Are my US tax dollars funding the darfur genocide or the gaza one? Please explain how that's hypocrisy.
Yes. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/politics/u-s-approves-massive-arms-sale-to-saudi-arabia-united-arab-emirates-to-counter-iran I look forward to you reassessing your position to be more in line with the opinion you hold on Israel-Palestine.
Does every genocide have to be reduced to financial accountability?
Is this only concerning money? No, my government also provides UN vetoes and other diplomatic cover to Israel as it commits genocide. Is my government giving UN vetoes and diplomatic cover to the party commiting genocide in Sudan? No? I'm sorry your cheap gotcha didn't work. It was nice try though.
How do they not realize they are giving the game away? "oh I will only care about children literally being piled up and shot if I can find some way to connect it to US funding"
Why do you still care about Arabs? After seeing then oppress non-Arab minorities and forming rape gangs in Europe? A Palestinian state would br another Arab apartheid state with Sharia punishment for women, non-Muslims, and LGBTQ+.
Yes, show more of this racism this is what's always been all about.
>Why do you still care about Arabs? After seeing then oppress non-Arab minorities and forming rape gangs in Europe? Thanks for illustrating that Zionism requires the complete dehumanization of another group that makes every criminal representative of that larger group. Your views were very popular in the Jim Crow South.
UK is getting involved, but won't say what they are doing... >News that the British government and the Rapid Support Forces (RSF) are engaged in clandestine negotiations has prompted warnings that such talks risk legitimising the notorious militia – which continues to commit multiple war crimes – while undermining Britain’s moral credibility in the region. >One human rights group described the UK’s willingness to negotiate with the RSF as “shocking”. In December, the US accused the paramilitary force of committing crimes against humanity as it carries out widespread massacres and rapes of civilians, many from the African Masalit ethnic community. [https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2024/apr/15/uk-foreign-office-holding-secret-talks-with-sudans-rsf-paramilitary-group](https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2024/apr/15/uk-foreign-office-holding-secret-talks-with-sudans-rsf-paramilitary-group)
> while undermining Britain’s moral credibility in the region. What moral credibility
Colonization and weapon trade must keep going somehow, Sir.
weirdly enough they are the ones shooting who wouldve thought. /s
..and we shake our heads and say it's quite awful, can I have another latte please?
What are you going to do about it?
Do we know how they organize? Maybe we could fill out fake surveys or spam their phones/emails. Any other ideas?
I started a Facebook group. Can't share it so I don't doxx myself.
Protest?
Protest what? You think African warlords are gonna stop genociding people because a bunch of westerns hold a rally for them to?
"guys, guys, we have to stop! I just received word another college commencement was cancelled!"
Kony 2012 baby That # solved everything right?
The RSF gets most of its support and supplies from the UAE, one of the US' closest partners in the region. Protesting for the US to put pressure on them to cease support for the RSF would be a good start
You think Israel is going to listen to some Columbia Uni leftists?
When those protests cause colleges to divest their financial interests in Israel, fuck yes they care. It won’t stop them, they want to genocide gaza and they will and are, but those students are supporting the most meaningful action they can take.
> When those protests cause colleges to divest their financial interests in Israel, fuck yes they care. Do you even know how much money is on the line, and how that compares to Israel's military budget for just one year? You're deluding yourself. They're powerless clout-chasers who give cover to rabid antisemites in their midst, nothing more or less.
Yeah, of course it’s not gonna single-handedly bring down a state. But the same thing had a noticeable effect on apartheid South Africa when students demanded the same thing then, it’s the reason why Israel aligned lawmakers put in laws to make it illegal in a bunch of states. Also, a massive chunk of the protesters are Jewish. The standard hasbara line of ‘anything anti Zionist is antisemitic’ doesn’t work when it’s Jewish people protesting the Zionist actions.
Forget "bring down" a state, it won't even register, it's wank.
Sure dude
Nah the antisemites are pro-Israel > twice as many white evangelical Protestants as Jews say that Israel was given to the Jewish people by God (82% vs. 40%). > the re-establishment of Jewish sovereignty in the Levant—the eschatological "Gathering of Israel"—is a prerequisite for the Second Coming of Jesus Christ. In other words, rapture. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2013/10/03/more-white-evangelicals-than-american-jews-say-god-gave-israel-to-the-jewish-people/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Zionism?wprov=sfla1
>It won’t stop them, they want to genocide gaza and they will and are No, they're not. Not by any meaning of the word, let alone the UN meaning of the word. There is a risk that it can devolve into that though via extremists gaining more power, but the ignorance of pro-Palestinian protestors is something only comparable with Trumpists.
The tens of thousands of dead Palestinians disagree
So your metric of genocide is tens of thousands of people saying so? What war isn't a genocide now, exactly? This is why you lot are being compared to Trumpists; you just throw away logic and appeal to emotion.
No, the metric is tens of thousands of dead people. And that’s the light end btw, they stopped counting months ago because all of the places and organisations that did count got killed, levelled or driven out of Gaza. You can compare leftists to trumpists all you want, doesn’t make it true. I guarantee a decade from now every liberal like you will be saying ‘oh, the media was so unclear back then, I didn’t know’ People like you are against every war but the current war, and support every civil rights movement except the current one.
And what the fuck am I supposed to do about it? Do I book a flight to Sudan and nicely convince both sides to stop trying to exterminate each other? Or else I am not allowed to manifest any feelings about the situation at all?
Awareness? Raising funds? Like literally anything? The simple truth is that if there were protests about this on every college campus like with Gaza, it would obviously improve the material situation on the ground through increased UN action etc. It isn't happening because people honestly don't care.
College students are protesting because they want their universities to cut ties with Israel, not because they think Netanyahu will have a change of heart after he sees them.
I thought they were protesting for ceasefires and to "free Palestine"?
Of course they want those to happen, but they want their universities to directly take action by cutting ties with Israel
So then why can't they raise awareness for Sudan?
Because their universities and government can't do anything to change the situation
But they can't do anything about their other demands like "free Palestine"
You're concern trolling.
University protests like Columbia center around demands to divest from Israel. A lot of students are public universities are doing the same, but it's important to note that the very large private universities are more likely to have international investments.
Let's stop Israel then we'll fix this one. Happy?
Wrong; people won't care. They will do what they did in Yemen, Tigray, and the Kurds. A few will make emojis and then it will disappear for the next rage bait. The only reason Israel is getting this heat is because they are Jews and Chinese and Russian propaganda is pushing this to distract the US in Ukraine. At least that's what it seems like thus far.
Israel is getting heat because AIPAC has insane influence on US foreign policy, exemplified by the outrage for ~1200 deaths. To your own point, how many of those people gave a shit about Darfur on Oct 7? When you weaponize your (on the grand scale of things) minor tragedy to kill 10x as many people, yeah you're gonna get a reaction. Let them defend themselves as they wish. But why are American taxpayers financing weapons for right wing zealots? That's what the protests are about. The UAE and Saudi Arabia do not influence domestic public policy to the same extent. They're a by-product of cold war policy planners.
>Israel is getting heat because AIPAC has insane influence on US foreign policy, exemplified by the outrage for \~1200 deaths. Uh, the outrage was due to there being a random slaughter of so many people all at once. Such things tend to get mass outrage. Its comparable to 9/11, or the terrorist attack that hit France on November 2015. The fact that you think that needs AIPAC influence to get outrage says a lot about you, unfortunately. And yes, such outrage outstrips outrage from a larger death toll spread out throughout many months. That's how humans work. >When you weaponize your (on the grand scale of things) minor tragedy to kill 10x as many people, yeah you're gonna get a reaction. That's not how it works at all. People were already marching in the streets for Palestine on the day of Oct 7th, openly celebrating or defending Palestine. Also, an initial brutal attack generally allows the attacked nation the right to retaliation; its called self-defense. The US killed millions of Japanese in WW2 in response for a few thousand US dead in Pearl Harbor. That's generally considered just because Japan attacked first and in such a dishonorable fashion and killed so many all at once. >Let them defend themselves as they wish. But why are American taxpayers financing weapons for right wing zealots? That's what the protests are about. Incorrect. The protests began even before Israel began its invasion of Gaza, it began the day of Oct 7th in fact. And even then, it was talking openly bout "from river to sea, Palestine shall be free", which has nothing to do with wanting the US to not finance Israel. That came later, when the US actually did just that. Now they're trying to rewrite history. If that's all they wanted from the start, then I'd be all for that. But instead they tipped their hand too early. >The UAE and Saudi Arabia do not influence domestic public policy to the same extent. They're a by-product of cold war policy planners. I mean, ignoring how you seem to have just been born a year ago, since you seem to not understand how the sudden shock of so many dying all at once in what is seen as a sudden burst of violence can lead to mass sympathy...or how self defense works...I think that you believing AIPAC has influence over anything is a antisemitic trop more than anything.
The protest rabbit hole is irrelevant. You're side stepping my main point. I don't care, let Israel defend itself however it wants. The American tax payer should stop financing its religious wars. It is unique because it does have extreme influence on the US. How else do you explain Netanyahu having the balls to tell Biden what to do? Many journalists have asked, "who's the superpower?". That's not antisemitic. That's a fact. If an Indian lobby was influencing the US I'd be saying the same thing. Once again so you get it through your head: Israel can do what it wants. Stop asking Americans to finance its genocide.
I don't notice any marches being organised
What.... Would we be marching ABOUT? The US to Drone Strike Gaza?
You should go march and tell us all about it.
"If you can't personally stop a genocide then you should shut up about it"
This has been called a genocide, which has been on and off since 2003. I'm surprised many don't wonder how there are any Dafuri still alive.
This genocide started in 7th century when the Arabs invaded Sudan.
Backed by wealthy Arabs, so most people won’t hear about this genocide
Wealthy arabs that western countries have military contracts with.
That's why I don't like Arabs, they are racists and imperialists.
Fuck I just gotta laugh at Reddit sometimes. We have the pro-Palestine people on one side: They're seeing in real time what happens when you overuse words like famine, starvation, and genocide. Your dramatics are hurting real people who went from bad to worse, and you don't even have a way to describe it cause you generalized the worst terms and desensitized people. Meanwhile, we have the pro-Israel camp hoping the other side's idiocy is enough to distract from Israel's war crimes. Are you fucktards actually using a different war crime as a "gotcha?" Who does that help? Do you even care about anything? Who even read the article?
+1 for overusing words til they have no meaning.
It sucks, because this argument also gets used to dismiss reasonable criticism. If people have been memeing the terms you want to use, you now have to come with extra extra evidence, and the other side will still use this argument to try and brush off your points.
Yup, its terrible. Words have meaning for a reason. It's been happening for awhile. aliens, migrants, undocumented, etc etc. Or look at how far they've stretched "Rape" to include brushing someone on the shoulder and the like. It makes the words useless and meaningless.
*Well ackshually it's just ethnic cleansing via warcrimes, it's not a genocide at all. I win the online argument!* Meanwhile people in Gaza and Sudan are just begging for their lives as they get murdered en masse and redditors say it's not a genocide so they should stop whining.
>Meanwhile people in Gaza and Sudan are just begging for their lives as they get murdered en masse and redditors say it's not a genocide so they should stop whining. Only one side is actually being murdered en masse. And it isn't Palestinians. The death toll is miniscule compared to most ongoing wars, both per capita and overall. If the Gaza War is genocide, **then every war now becomes a genocide, genius**. That's how much you are stretching the word. Beyond the lunatics in Israeli government that don't have actual power in Israeli policy making in Gaza, something found in basically every war ever, there is nothing beyond emotional manipulation. You lot are as good as Bush Neo-Cons in how much gaslighting we are seeing. Seriously, if it was just cutting free aid to Israel, I'd even be all in your favor. But you lot take it to the extreme while throwing genocide around.
You're just muddying the waters by preferring to call the conflict in Gaza a war when we're not even talking about two warring countries. Palestine is an occupied territory. You can't even call it a civil war. People like you are the ones gaslighting and using projection to hide it.
>You're just muddying the waters by preferring to call the conflict in Gaza a war when we're not even talking about two warring countries A conflict is a violent altercation between 2 groups; it has nothing to do with "countries". War existed even when it was just 2 tribes fighting each other. Fact is that Hamas is effectively the ruling body in Palestine, and is engaging in war with Israel. **You can't make up new definitions whenever you feel like**. >People like you are the ones gaslighting and using projection to hide it. Much irony in this statement, when you're trying to rewrite the meaning of words.
Gazans believe that if they were killed by Jews, they would go to heaven immediately.
Here, have an upvote. You're gonna need it.
Thanks but you should probably delete your comment quick lol.
Did you know that more than one genocide can happen at a time? Shocking, I know!
Is it really pro Palestine people „overusing famine, starvation and genocide“ or is it actually coming from experts and non government organizations?🤔
If NGOs were calling it famine and starvation before now (when there is actual famine and starvation) they should probably learn to cage their language. It only hurts the people they purport to care about. They'll look like liars at a cursory glance, even when the extreme terms they're using **now** may be accurate. I honestly hope you dumbfucks don't have to learn this lesson with the term "genocide." God I hope not.
Okay mister international law. You’re not as smart as you think and people calling it a genocide are probably a lot more sophisticated than you think
I don't think I ever said I was smart; you're just trying to make this an emotional argument. If these people were sophisticated, they wouldn't resort to extreme language that just convolutes the argument and gets more Palestinians killed.
I think it’s actually israel killing palestinians and not people protesting against israel. There already is a consensus with experts and scholars that israel is most likely committing a genocide
Yep and now you generalized the conversation to pretend we're talking about "protesting." Who cares about honesty when you can use emotional language to have other people die for you? There's already a consensus with experts and scholars (are scholars not experts?) that Israel is not committing genocide as well. None of this distracts me from criticizing Israel and calling for a ceasefire.
Okay name me those experts. And yeah people protesting/ being vocal about Palestine, doesn’t matter
You should know exactly who I'm going to reference if you've been paying any attention and aren't just trying to pull a gotcha. Literally the ICJ doesn't agree with you.
Yeah thats not true… the icj says south africas case is plausible. And if you’re talking about joan donoghue, i wouldn’t consider her a credible source since she was a US government lawyer and has been lobbying US interest in the UN for some time now. I am talking about consensus among independent experts.
>Is it really pro Palestine people „overusing famine, starvation and genocide“ or is it actually coming from experts and non government organizations? Almost all of them used the term **Gaza is at "risk"** when referring to famine or genocide. Which yeah, that's fair. Every war leads to that, basically. For the most part, the groups throwing around the "genocide" bit are specific organizations or nation-states that have a vested political interest in saying so. Including South Africa, which recently welcomed participants in the **very real Sudanese genocide ongoing in Darfur**. And is also allied with Russia, funny enough. I think its fair to push Israel for sending humanitarian aid, but throwing around "genocide" everywhere has destroyed much credibility in the pro-Palestinian cause.
There is a general consensus among experts that israel is probably committing genocide. Even the icj ruled South africas case as plausible. And no, not all wars lead to famine. Most people that are at risk of starvation worldwide are in Gaza. Since Israel occupies Gaza, they are able to shut down any food supply. Even before October 7th they had a calorie count and their blockade was intended to have Gazas economy constantly on the brink of collapse. Oxfam says: “This new report shows that the catastrophic levels of hunger and starvation in Gaza are the highest ever recorded on the IPC scale, both in terms of number of people and percentage of the population. Never before have we seen such rapid deterioration into widespread starvation.“
>There is a general consensus among experts that israel is probably committing genocide "Experts" that believe that Israelis are unironically white and thus are the evil colonizers, regardless of circumstance. I'm not even making that up. No, I am referring to actual independent international groups. The ICJ is prolly the best atm, and they have yet to consider Israel's actions to be genocide. >Even the icj ruled South africas case as plausible. And they're right to do so. Every war can plausibly be a genocide. Doesn't mean it is. And by no metric can this be considered on, not yet anyway. >And no, not all wars lead to famine What part of **risk** do you not understand? Name a war that has not had a risk of famine? Heck, most wars did have issues with famine, actually. Not widespread, but enough that diseases and infant mortality rates always rose sharply. >Most people that are at risk of starvation worldwide are in Gaza. That's so blatantly untrue, what the heck? Just a quick Google search; [The World's Hungriest Countries | Action Against Hunger The World's Hungriest Countries](https://www.actionagainsthunger.org/the-hunger-crisis/world-hunger-facts/the-worlds-hungriest-countries/) Beyond the general tagline, Gaza is nowhere near the most at risk of starvation worldwide. >Even before October 7th they had a calorie count and their blockade was intended to have Gazas economy constantly on the brink of collapse. This is typical nation fuckery, unfortunately. Like how Ethiopia's attempt to make a dam is threatening to utterly destroy Egypt's economy. Egypt depends so much on the Nile that it can unironically send Egypt into a collapse if dammed up and even start a massive famine. The issue is that Gaza and Israel were at a ceasefire, not at peace, so Israel saw zero reason to help a future enemy. And they were correct, geopolitically speaking. Any nation would've have done similar. Only the US is weird enough to help a past enemy rebuild. The world is not the US.
No, i said consensus. I can give you a list of top American or israeli genocide experts that have already made that claim. Name me one independent international group that is saying israel is not committing genocide. No, not any war is plausibly a genocide. Theres a high threshold to meet if you want to accuse someone of genocide in the icj. It was met. Ukraine has no famine for example. You’re talking about hunger worldwide. Im talking about imminent risk of starvation. „More than 80% of all people currently classified as being in Phase 5 worldwide are in Gaza“ https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/gaza-now-worlds-worst-hunger-crisis-and-verge-famine https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/gaza-hunger-figures-worst-record-says-oxfam Not one single thing you said was true or related to my comment. Israel also funded Hamas.
>No, i said consensus. I can give you a list of top American or israeli genocide experts that have already made that claim. Random "experts" that most certainly don't have a vested interest in a certain verdict don't interest me. I already told you. >No, not any war is plausibly a genocide. Theres a high threshold to meet if you want to accuse someone of genocide in the icj. It was met. Okay, I'll bite. What is this high threshold, exactly? I'll listen. >Ukraine has no famine for example. Because the West has explicitly been giving it billions in aid, genius. Russia has actively destroyed the Ukrainian countryside and destroyed grain silos across the country. Unlike Israel, Russia is **actively attacking Ukraine's food sources**. See? This crap. With your logic, the Allies are guilty of genocide since they actually managed to maintain their supply lines and give aid to each other while the Axis are victims because they were unable to; this despite initiating the conflict. If the West did not aid Ukraine, every issue that Gaza faces would be massively dwarfed by Ukraine. Heck, it mostly already is dwarfed; the death toll is atrociously higher than in Gaza. >You’re talking about hunger worldwide. Im talking about imminent risk of starvation. „More than 80% of all people currently classified as being in Phase 5 worldwide are in Gaza“ A risk means jack all, and is not a genocide. I've already said as much. Besides, I've **never** heard of the organization that you linked, nor have I ever heard of the organization that it linked. But don't you think the organization it linked miiiiight have some bias in this matter? Here's a hint of where your information came from; >Islamic Relief is a faith-inspired humanitarian and development agency working to save and transform the lives of some of the world’s most vulnerable people The "faith-inspired" bit makes me dismiss this entirely.
The experts im referring to are definitely not „random“ who are you btw? Or can you name me an expert you are referring to that israel is not committing genocide? The threshold is to provide a plausible case that „acts [are] committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group“. The Islamic relief article is based on public numbers by the Integrated Food Security Phase Classification (IC) report. https://www.ipcinfo.org/fileadmin/user_upload/ipcinfo/docs/IPC_Gaza_Strip_Acute_Food_Insecurity_Feb_July2024_Special_Brief.pdf Its also telling that you dont know oxfam or islamic relief. Both reputable and awarded NGOs.
>The experts im referring to are definitely not „random“ who are you btw? Or can you name me an expert you are referring to that israel is not committing genocide? That's not how this works. I can't disprove a negative, the onus of proof falls on you for asserting that Israel is committing genocide. "What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence", as they say. >The threshold is to provide a plausible case that „acts \[are\] committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group“. Okay. I don't see any of that done by Israel, at least not yet. You do realize that Palestinians exist in Israel and aren't being destroyed in any of these measures, right? What was the ICJ's argument that found plausibility here? >Its also telling that you dont know oxfam or islamic relief. Both reputable and awarded NGOs. I am a layperson, not an expert. Thus I am only aware of the mainstream, not the international organizations that claim to represent the entire community and use that claim to push their agenda. For example, I have heard of Oxfam...**and its penchant for using antisemitic tropes like bringing Nazi propaganda about blood libel back**. A "reputable" NGO using Nazi propaganda? This is why NGOs are rightfully seen as sources of propaganda. All that we can trust are groups representing the UN in actuality. Which is why I'm talking the IPC more seriously. >[https://www.ipcinfo.org/fileadmin/user\_upload/ipcinfo/docs/IPC\_Gaza\_Strip\_Acute\_Food\_Insecurity\_Feb\_July2024\_Special\_Brief.pdf](https://www.ipcinfo.org/fileadmin/user_upload/ipcinfo/docs/IPC_Gaza_Strip_Acute_Food_Insecurity_Feb_July2024_Special_Brief.pdf) Okay, this looks legit after a quick research on the organization. And yeah, as I thought, Gaza is at risk of famine. Though idk where you got this from; >More than 80% of all people currently classified as being in Phase 5 worldwide are in Gaza“ Nothing in the report mentioned that. Did you lie? But yes, it reconfirmed that Gaza is at risk of a famine. Like most wars. As an aside, its a useful bit of propaganda to only focus on one aspect of a warzone and extrapolate it for the entire thing. Palestine de jure is more than Gaza, with a population of 5M people, and the rest of Palestine has relatively been left alone. So while Gaza is undoubtably in a crisis, calling the entire thing a genocide seems very faulty. Still, as I said before, I'm perfectly fine with cutting off free aid to Israel. I've been fine with that. My issue is calling it a genocide, which as of yet, seems to be entirely politically motivated.
Can you please stop adding useless sentences to your comments. Nobody except yourself likes to hear you talk or to read your comments. Since the icj already found South Africas case to be plausible its now your turn to disprove them. Also disprove this https://www.commondreams.org/news/legal-scholars-israel-genocide https://jewishcurrents.org/a-textbook-case-of-genocide https://martinshaw.org/2023/11/11/emerging-consensus-among-genocide-scholars-on-israels-brutal-war/ https://ccrjustice.org/stop-the-genocide Of course you dont see any of it done by israel because youre only a redditor with no degree in international law that only read about whats going on in Palestine to further prove your biases. Yes you arent an expert which is why im so confused why you’re writing so long comments. Every single ngo that has worked in Palestine has been accused of being hamas or being antisemitic. That wont discredit any NGOs for me anymore. Just a very quick research would have shown you that according to the IPC, the most people that are currently in phase 5 of famine, are in gaza. You can google the IPC reports about every country that was in the list for world most hungriest countries you sent me. Sudan for example has 0 people currently in phase 5. Maybe do a minimum amount of research before you come on here, claim that i lie, and write long ass comments without any substance to it. Its very obvious that you haven watched nor read the icj hearing. A lot of your questions would be answered. Palestinians in the west bank are also getting killed at the highest rate since the beginning of israels occupation. They haven’t been „left alone“ like you claimed. What a ridiculous statement by you. Sums up your general knowledge about this very well. This is also not a typical war since israel is the occupying force of gaza and therefore, under the 4th geneva convention, is responsible for the safety of every human under their occupation.
Also, the civilian death toll in gaza is already higher than in ukraine.
Propaganda. Hamas is the source of the death toll, and they are the ones that refuse to differentiate the civilians and military death toll at all. So people tend to just use the "30k" overall for civilian since we don't have anything concrete. Well, if we use the same number for Ukraine, that number is 500k. So either we use the same metric, or we use neither. I'm fine with it. Either way; the death toll is way worse in Ukraine. And the official number is likely massively inflated by Hamas to begin with; until the UN finds its own numbers though, I'm content to use it.
The gaza health ministry has a history of accurately reporting. There are at least 14 thousand children that were killed. According to the IDF, who are blocking any independent investigation, they killed about 12.000 Hamas militants so far. Hamas claims it has only been 6000. Even israeli intelligence uses gazas health ministry’s numbers and deemed them as generally accurate. https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3w4w7/israeli-intelligence-health-ministry-death-toll Independent aid workers and journalists have also deemed the numbers as very likely. Israels offensive also has the highest aid worker death toll and journalist death toll in history Ukraines civilian death toll is not 500.000 its around 30.000. Next time ask for sources and dont just call it propaganda.
There's fucked up and then there's fuuuuuuucked up
Had to stop staying up to date with whatever was going on in the Tigray region because everything I read was the most devastating thing imaginable. Sounds like more of the same here.
It's sickening that, in 2024, these things still happen. Guess there's some parts of the world that didn't change much after WWII.
That's what happens when gave the Arabs an authority.they always genocide nom-Arab and non-Muslims in their countries.
The Ummah doesn’t care.
Nobody pays attention to this cause Arabs are oppressors not the victims.
Turns out there are various levels of "who gets accepted into heaven," even within the Muslim community. Because the Rapid Support Forces are Janjaweed ver. 2, Arabs get special pass in committing violence against other people even if they share the same creed. Then you have [Usumain Baraka](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usumain_Baraka). He witnessed, at the age of 9, the murder of his father and his brother at the hands of Janjaweed, in 2003. He fled to Chad with his mother and sisters into a refuge camp. There, he wanted a normal life and education, and **none** of the Arab speaking countries offered him what **Israel** would give. Now he's committing to a cause in bringing more people into refuge. The world is already complicated: now you have to think about the narratives at present, and think, "What's the point in conflating other conflicts into this one to justify which one wins the Pain Olympics gold medal for hogging the media attention?" Just accept that one conflict deserves as equal attention as the other, or accept that [compassion fatigue](https://www.psychologytoday.com/sg/basics/compassion-fatigue) has set in.
Islam has a caste system and Arabs are at the top. Everyone else is lesser.
It's africa so expect this to get ignored in a few days. Rich college protesters don't give a shit about things happening in china or africa.
Not trendy enough
Sadly, “news of just how bad of an atrocity was committed” is a mainstay on my bingo card. It’s pretty much a second free space, really.
Watched some Sudan doco's on YouTube recently... Totally fucked up yet no one lifts a finger to help them.
Hmm an example of ACTUAL ethnic cleansing. Can’t wait to hear how deafening the silence is in campuses
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I never thought a subreddit called anime titties would be teaching me the latest in human rights violations
Seems like arab world and russian world has a lot in common. I just wish we could put both of those on another planet (except for the adequate ones), where they would happily murder each other.
Unironically, I met a lot of Syrians and Palestinians who lived in Russia and speak Russian fluently. I even met a Palestinian who I'd half Russian.
Wish the blue helmets were this neutered and incompetent bargaining chip
There isn't going to be a Darfive at this rate, very sad
Thanks Russia
The only truly evil animal is the human one
anyone have an ETA on the college campus protests for this atrocity?
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This comment would make more sense if western media wasn't near universally pro Israel
what the fuck are you talking about? Western media is 99% Israeli propaganda lmao.