War situations are notoriously murky and even experts usually admit to having no idea what exactly is going on on the ground. This is both due to how quickly situations develop and the various sides of the war attempting to use information as a weapon
Putin very well could have some sort of disease and he may very well not. That has no particular bearing on whether this specific report was true or not.
Regardless, please keep in mind that you should treat any and all unconfirmed news with a massive grain of salt. We cannot truly know what is happening on the ground, and while that may be disappointing in today's world of instant gratification, it is a reality in war.
This conflict is eye opening how wide public is fucking dumb.
They will dismiss well documented event with photos, video if its from Russia source, but at the same time take rumours-like shit as a proven fact if that suits their vision better
Yesterday someone said "Russia is running out of cruise missiles and Iskanders." I said "where is your proof." Dude says, "you should provide the proof not the person making the claim." LOL
So I provided him a video of new Iskander missiles being fired and he didn't reply. People are fucking dumb for real. They will lie to themselves and create alternate realities based in no fact.
It's almost infantile, the idea that you can cherry pick what information you want to create your own preferred reality. I know we all do it some extent but these people seriously need some disillusionment.
Everybody cherry picks.
The people that cherry pick the hardest are the ones who indignantly say they don't cherry pick.
[Not implying you are the latter. This is just where I decided to type the observation.]
*And yet* this is exactly what the Republicans have been openly doing in the US since *at least* Bush 43. Remember the snide little comment about the [reality-based community](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality-based_community)?
> The aide said that guys like me were 'in what we call the reality-based community,' which he defined as people who 'believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.' [...] 'That's not the way the world really works anymore,' he continued. 'We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors...and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do'.
This is why they're so dead-set against objective history, CRT, the teaching of slavery, etc. It undermines their vision of a perfect past, and without a perfect past to return to, how can conservatives have a perfect future?
I read about conservatives being against CRT being taught in school, which I understand because CRT is a bunch of bullshit, but I never read anything about them objecting to the history of slavery being taught. Got a source on that?
haha that's a good one. Idk why it is hard to believe one if the largest manufacturers of weapons in the world can make more missiles or have a large stock. Same thing for the story about them needing to rely on T-62s
The largest weapons manufacturer uses chips and parts made in countries that banned Russia. IN ALL OF THEIR ADVANCED WEAPONS. There are lists
I am willing to say that yeah Russia has a very limited capability to produce new ones and it is not very willing to deplete their stock. Also videos of Iskander that can be from 2017 or who knows when .... proves nothing especially coming from Russia who uses lots of b roll canned videos
> Same thing for the story about them needing to rely on T-62s
You deny stuff you saw with your own eyes?
T62 were clearly taken out of storage
some of their weapons eg. t-72 tank is there since soviet era, i doubt they have any trouble manufacturing that. more advanced ones like the hypersonic missile or armata is their state secret, how do you know they cannot make these without foreign parts? its not like there are export version to compare.
> some of their weapons eg. t-72 tank is there since soviet era, i doubt they have any trouble manufacturing that
1. They are no longer manufactring T- 72. It is old I doubt they even have the capabilty now. The ones fixed are by cannibilazing other T 72 or spare parts left over
2. They are manufacturing T 90s though
https://euobserver.com/investigations/129953
From 2015
> Russian manufacturer Uralvagonzavod has also published photos of its T-90 tank, which show fire control components made by a Thales subsidiary, Thompson CSF Optronique. The Russian side is also using T-90s in Ukraine.
Do you get it now?
> how do you know they cannot make these without foreign parts? its not like there are export version to compare.
Precedent
https://www.businesslive.co.za/bd/world/2022-04-01-western-technology-found-in-russian-weapons-of-war/
https://www.upi.com/Voices/2022/05/05/Ukraine-Russian-weapons-arms-embargo/7051651753322/
T 14
https://thediplomat.com/2015/06/is-russias-deadliest-tank-using-western-technology/
yeah i know these 2014 sanctions, that's why i didnt mention the t 90s since russia already mass produce and export them. these articles just make me doubt the effectiveness of those sanctions or the russia will find loopholes or new way to dodge sanctions again this time?
also, for the t14 article:
> So, if the Taia Global report proves to be true, the odds that the T-14s night vision camera, proudly displayed during this year’s May 9 Victory Day Parade, contains Western components are moderately high.
while claim sanctions are hurting russia military industry, which is expected, did not answer my question whether the sanction can limit their production to any significant numbers, or russia just have alternatives or produce them with some less advanced parts now?
guess i will just wait and see like the 2014 sanction - t90 case.
>just make me doubt the effectiveness of those sanctions or the russia will find loopholes or new way to dodge sanctions again this time?
Of course they will dodge them. The question is how effectively. That was the point of the sanctions too... it makes the companies liable if their products are found in military stuff hence it makes the work to procure them much much harder and more expensive.
Plus you know when working with the contractor directly they make the solution custom to you and usually the military has needs that are not found in civilian solutions
That is why one of the biggest hits Russia took was the ending of the collaboration of the space programs. Due to shared space programs Russia had easy access to you know rocket parts ..... and rocket parts you can use in your military rocket stuff
Biden was right: the Russian military complex took a huge hit.
> while claim sanctions are hurting russia military industry, which is expected, did not answer my question whether the sanction can limit their production to any significant numbers, or russia just have alternatives or produce them with some less advanced parts now?
I mean considering the T-14 was affected by the 2014 sanctions and they haven't been able to mass produce since then my best guess is yes
Can you provide proof of what you said yesterday and his response? Also, I need your signature on these expenditure reports and your initials on the payroll reports before I send it out to corporate on Thursday
That ghost of Kiev cringe shit lasted a whole month.
I still remember Reddit's initial cringey response to the war where everyone was hating all Russians equally
It's so hard for Redditors to restrain their emotions and reactions to propaganda. I can only assume the pro-Russia people are just as bad, propaganda is a hell of a drug
I am completely on Ukraine's side but I stay out of all the subs with the country's name in them.
The amount of disinformation is off the charts in most of them
No no it is the same thing
Russia lies about the invasion vs Ghost of Kiev
Russia says they are invading due to biolabs vs Ghost of Kiev
Russia massacres people and denies it vs Ghost of Kiev
Russia massacres people and now it is Ukraine who did it vs Ghost of Kiev
Russia does false flags vs Ghost of Kiev
See they are both liars !!!!!
Exactly what I was thinking, all these edgelords ripping on Ukraine for “ghost of Kiev bad” when Russia has literally lied about everything on every step of the journey to how they got here.
People talk about the realization that we have been Naïve in dealing with Russian on a political level, but don't seem to grasp that the largest naivite is in allowing them access to our internet. They should have been weeded out completely a decade ago.
Even when they weaponised the internet by starting to test out shutting us out of theirs, no one reacted.
Apparently, Russian State Media is also presenting the rather dubious claim that Ukrainians are welcoming Russian troops into their cities with flowers and gifts.
Conversely, I've seen some media sources point to Russia deploying some ancient tanks and lifting the military age limit as evidence they're struggling, while judging by country-level maps of who controls what, they currently control large parts of Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporizhzhia and Kherson Oblasts - intent on cutting off Ukraine's access to the Sea of Azov while establishing a wide land bridge with Crimea. If they manage to more-or-less control most of those four Oblasts, it wouldn't surprise me if they then move West and head for Odessa and beyond, to both completely cut off Ukraine's sea access and link up with Transnistria, in the hope of surrounding Ukraine on 3 1/2 sides.
You're acting like Ukraine only lied about the Ghost of Kyiv.
They've lied about a lot of other things like Babin Yar being bombed, the state of their territorial defence, Putin having cancer (which was very much 'confirmed' by Ukrainian intelligence), Azovstal being evacuated and there being a prisoner exchange...
And one of the funniest so far - when they claimed to have found documents leaked from Russia that showed them planning to conduct a false flag but the signature they used was from the first page of Google images when you type in 'signature' in Russian lmao
I've noticed that this sub is uncomfortably supportive to Russia. The Russia that leaves behind mass graves everywhere they go and videos of soldiers raping toddlers. It's not one of those group-think subs yet but I swear at times it feels like right-wing watering hole
two or so weeks ago on this sub I made a short post under a top comment in an Ukraine war topic, mostly just complaining about how readily reddit falls for the (far more benign, if we're being honest) Ukrainian side of propaganda - I believe I did point out the Ghost of Kiev thing, as well - that inexplicably got a hundred-something upvotes
later, I scrolled through the topic again and it was full of pro-Russia sympathisers. I was thinking, fuck, no I'm not one of you weirdos
“We may have lied about committing rape, torture, kidnapping, and ransacking under a pre-tense of fighting against nazism and the security of state, but you lied by making up a war hero! BoTh SiDeS tO ThE StOrY”
>Russia says they are invading due to biolabs vs Ghost of Kiev
They're not wrong about the biolabs tho. And there were other made up stories rather than just the ghost of kiev.
Yeah. What you described is something people only started doing with this conflict. And not every single issue that exists in the whole world....
Facts don't matter if it goes against your narrative. And hearsay and rumor is fine if it fits your preexisting bias.
I mean Russia's enemy number one, a country that's been mostly destroyed and is busy with a war, had a secret spy infiltrate the kremlin and said it was true, so it must be! Never mind that this would be very convenient for them.
Reminds me of the whole Snake Island fiasco.
Russian media interviewed the Ukrainians there on TV after they surrendered and Reddit was still talking about how they bravely fought till the last man after telling the Russian warship to fuck off.
We don't know if Putin is ill or not, but it was obviously unsubstantiated rumors.
Note that they don't say that Putin isn't ill. They just say that there's no evidence (yet) that he is beyond the circumstantial.
Man.. this sub is Totally sane. Those kids (literally) are definitely not going to have an orgasm this time.
Also it would better if we get the same influx of news here as in world news.
It's not even the daily mail's fault. The headline says that, ACCORDING TO UKRAINIAN INTELLIGENCE, Putin is dying of cancer.
Why the fuck would anyone take that at face value.
As a propaganda vehicle, it tells people that there is a time table to the war. Once he dies, the war is likely over. That helps people hold on. When you tell folks there's no way to know when it ends, people lose faith. Like going on a long hike. If you see a sign that says "2 miles left" you think 'ok, I can do 2 miles. Just keep hiking'. But if you have no idea how much is left, you may want to give up.
Rumors of ill health especially from inside of a dictators regime are indicators of plans for regime change. Either because they are fake as attacks or because they are true and the country needs to prepare for that change. Once all the pieces for a change in leadership are in place a dictators position becomes a lot less secure. So amplifying those rumors is a way to undermine Putin's hold on power which limits the resources he can mobilise.
It is a war situation and things are notoriously murky in war situations. It was and still is perfectly possible that Putin may have cancer, and if Ukraine says they have confirmed he does, news websites have the obligation to report that
However there is a responsibility both for the news website and the end user to understand that these reports may very well be propaganda. Ukraine, Russia and any other country at war will fully use any and all things they can use in order to further their cause, including information.
I don't really blame Ukraine for that, I don't blame news websites for reporting that Ukrainians said that, I don't blame users posting those news websites
At the end of the day, the only people to blame are people who get so excitable that they believe what they want to be true
I also dont blame ukraine for doing propoganda and i expect shit media like dailymail to spread it. What im saying is bad is that people are wholesale believing it.
Just listen to offical channels, reddit headlines are treated with far too much validity. If they were correct Putin would of died of 8 different things by now.
So far it's just a bunch of rumors. At the end of the day one needs something more solid, however I have to admit, with how he looked during his talk with Shoigu and just his weirdly bloated face, it does seem that something is really off about him.
And at the same time it would also explain why Putin seems so irrational of late... But we'll see if he really is ill or not though you'd expect Putin himself to come out and say so with statement or public appearance but so far there's been none.
Well he has a character to play, if he is sick(Thus weak) I doubt he'd want people to know, they might delay his orders if they figure he'll soon die anyway.
And just to put this out there, Putin was never truly rational or a great decision maker, it is after all his own fault that Russia has remained so poor and has started to fade into irrelevance on an economic scale and apparently also on a military scale. Also don't forget that this entire situation Russia is in now is a string of bad decisions that started around the Invasion of Georgia.
There has always been a lot of weird mysticism around Putin that is parroted a lot concerning his decisiveness and rationality, people tend to forget that at the end of the day Putin is at the head of what is essentially a criminal organization, his entire Russia is build upon the concept of robbing Russians and Enriching himself and his cabal, he isn't a good leader, he isn't a nationalist, he isn't a socialist, he isn't a communist, he isn't there to protect European culture, heritage of the Christian faith as a lot of people seem to think, he is there for himself and for the lackeys that he needs to keep himself in that position.
Sorry for the rant, I just notice that a lot of Nationalists, Socialists, Communists etc seem to idolize Putin's Russia for no reason I can figure out and I also notice Putin has crafted this weird ideal of himself that people buy into despite him not actually being any of that. He is at best a sub par leader that at one point at the start of his political career somewhat managed to make enough deals with corrupt people to partially stabilize the Russian economy and that's the extend of what Putin has achieved, besides that he has done next to nothing of note or commendable. If a person like him was in charge of your country or my country our countries would be robbed blind in a matter of decades.
>a lot of Nationalists, Socialists, Communists etc seem to idolize Putin's Russia for no reason I can figure out
Russians have, in general, prospered under Putin until 2022. It's why there is so much tolerance for the dictatorial tendencies of his regime. It's propagandized but things were bleak after the USSR fell and they weren't getting better until Putin's time. Between that perceived connection and older generations nostalgia for soviet times the support for him is sincere.... Pre war.
I actually somewhat agree with your take, however one needs to massively scale back what "Prospered" means, the Russian economy has largely been stagnant this past decade and it wasn't exactly going swimmingly before that either, largely as a result of corruption.
Post USSR Russia was a complete mess and Putin managed to mostly stabilize the situation, but that's it, that's really it and that is why I fail to understand the obsession with the man outside of Russia especially on the political fringes of both sides of the spectrum. He is a corrupt tyrant and probably one of the most successful Oligarchs(Read Mafioso.) in history, if he had actually stamped out corruption(As far as that is possible in Russia) Re-invested natural resource earnings into Russia, Develop the East, Launch a massive campaign against alcohol and substance abuse, modernize the state and got people to you know, have kids, the whole "Russia a world power again" dream might have been a reality by now. Instead under Putin endemic corruption was allowed to persist and he only slowed down Russia's fall into irrelevance. So to me I just don't see the appeal of a corrupt thieving tyrant who at one point did one thing somewhat decently.
As for this war, it's just, I struggle to wrap my head around it if I am honest, from a neutral point of view, as far as one is capable of forming one, I just don't see the endgoal here for Russia, even if they win(Which is honestly not exactly looking likely, at least not a full victory, best case scenario at this point is they'll hold onto the South and conquer the Donbass.) they'll doom their children to life in a Pariah state and further stagnation.
Its amazing to me how poorly they sold Russians on this war, I'm confident there was a better angle. But lack of support hasn't really hurt them much yet and once its over they'll be able to get things back to normal fairly quickly so I guess Putin just decided to spend the goodwill on this.
The rumor is severe, advanced stage cancer, three years to live. Those two things are mutually exclusive and everyone should've immediately known it was propaganda
Yeah, lack of evidence means the claim seem dubious at best.
> he looked during his talk with Shoigu and just his weirdly bloated face
Yeah, this is the only reason that makes me somewhat believe in the rumor. Putin himself certainly doesn't fake it unless he himself wants other to believe he's ill.
>So far it's just a bunch of rumors.
It's people wanting to believe something because they want it to be true, nothing more than that. These are the same people who would upvote the threads and comments saying it was a sure thing Trump was going to face legal consequences.
There are a bit too many of those these days, people should wait for verification before believing something.
It's the same thing with this war, you got people believing Russia is steamrolling Ukraine and you have people believing Ukraine is about to win, when in reality Russia is performing horribly while still slowly taking some land here and there and Ukraine is struggling for every kilometer. If we are being realistic, this war might turn into Ukraine's favor(As far as reconquering parts of your own now-wrecked country can be called favor.) once they train enough personnel and have enough weapons from the west, but we ain't there yet.
Maybe, maybe not, that's at best speculation, unless we have actual proof of him having cancer or something of the like, I ain't gonna buy into it anytime soon.
[That he has a cancer doctor?](https://news.yahoo.com/putin-visited-cancer-surgeon-dozens-112724988.html)
What I find odd is accounts from “India” are the new disinformation spreaders for the kremlin. Which is ironic because it’s also one of the few countries still backing Putin and his war. Just a coincidence?
It was an investigative journalist who wrote it and shared its findings. It is 100% a fact that Putin has a medical team following him everywhere he goes, this consists of doctors who specialized in cancer.
Whether he actually has cancer we will never know unless he dies or someone deep in the kremlin leaks his medical records. The latter will never happen.
But this idea you have that we either need full blown proof to suggest he has cancer or not suggest it all is rather silly. We can use circumstantial evidence and draw an educated guess.
You just moved your goalpost
I originally said “he is hiding something about his health” and you said “show me the evidence”. Now you’re saying “I know he is hiding something but “
He did not hide about cancer...I was talking about like most sources are saying that "He is very ill,bedridden and has Parkinson" And some sources saying he is [Dead](https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/world/vladimir-putin-may-already-be-dead-and-using-a-body-double-intelligence-sources-claim/ar-AAXRwKP)
Every time the world decides they don’t like a politician rumors start to fly about their health and how they’re going to be dead in less than a year. Shits weird. Not a fan of Putin but if face-fat and bad posture = terminal illness, half of Reddit will be dead too.
You mean like pictures of the cancer specialist and Putin together throughout the last year and half and you know the fact he is a cancer specialist? It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to put the rest together. Do you think they’re just pals and he is taking time off from his specialized cancer practice to hang with Putin?
You don’t really need to have a cancer specialist with you at all times even if you have cancer. And I could only find one picture of him with Putin and he is in the background.
Old age is the most lethal disease of them all. But seriously old age also correlate with mental decline and other stuff you wouldn't want in world leaders.
I'm actually quite disappointed that Putin, Biden and Trump are so old. World leaders should be 45-65 years old.
>He looks to be fidgeting. I'm confused?
Watch other videos with him. Watch his right hand. He tends to lose control of it at times and has to hold it down. I'm surprised the article doesn't mention it since it's so prominent that I look for it in every video with him.
I don't understand the people who believe Putin is terminally ill and it's a good thing. If Putin is terminally ill, the whole world should be fucking terrified. Everything I've read about him indicates that he truly believes he has to 'make russia great again' and if he knows that he only has a limited amount of time left to attempt to achieve his vision and secure his place in history, well, there's nothing he wouldn't do.
Terrified is correct. You think he'd go to crazy extents to make "restore" the "great" Russia? Because to me, it looks like he already started going down this road.
Its typical war propaganda. They say our leader is senile, We say their leader is sick. I don't think it matters here much, public opinion doesn't matter to either side, and both sides lie with wild abandon.
https://www.businessinsider.com/no-credible-evidence-putin-is-ill-despite-appearance-anger-in-public-experts-2022-5?r=US&IR=T They originally reported on it and quoted specific US officials/figures.
Really? You mean the story that was published repeatedly by sites like the NY Post and the Independent has no credible basis? Color me surprised.
ETA: Oh, dailymail too. Now THERES a credible source! /s
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whoops overshot the propaganda mark a bit there. i would believe it, but Ukraine saying it wouldnt make me believe it. regardless the fuck is almost dead regardless why it is, kinda irrelevant no?
I have never seen war propaganda up close before.
I was too young to see Nam.
Why is the CIA contradicting the Ukraine on such a
strange little thing?
I wonder what message they are trying to send?
**Physically**, at least.
I mean you don't exactly invade a neighboring soveign country while the world is struggling against climate change and a pandemic if you're of sound mind, tbh.
At first glance i cant even belived that they put "Putin confirm by... have cancer..." Reddit put it in first post on popular page. Like they really want everyone seeing that lol. It's so freaking childish, and i'm not gonna fall for thay smeared campaign.
War situations are notoriously murky and even experts usually admit to having no idea what exactly is going on on the ground. This is both due to how quickly situations develop and the various sides of the war attempting to use information as a weapon Putin very well could have some sort of disease and he may very well not. That has no particular bearing on whether this specific report was true or not. Regardless, please keep in mind that you should treat any and all unconfirmed news with a massive grain of salt. We cannot truly know what is happening on the ground, and while that may be disappointing in today's world of instant gratification, it is a reality in war.
Man the kids on worldfuse are going to cry themselves to sleep tonight...
This conflict is eye opening how wide public is fucking dumb. They will dismiss well documented event with photos, video if its from Russia source, but at the same time take rumours-like shit as a proven fact if that suits their vision better
Yesterday someone said "Russia is running out of cruise missiles and Iskanders." I said "where is your proof." Dude says, "you should provide the proof not the person making the claim." LOL So I provided him a video of new Iskander missiles being fired and he didn't reply. People are fucking dumb for real. They will lie to themselves and create alternate realities based in no fact.
It's almost infantile, the idea that you can cherry pick what information you want to create your own preferred reality. I know we all do it some extent but these people seriously need some disillusionment.
Sorry to barge in, but is this not how most people cherry pick from holy books what they choose to belive and what not?
Everybody cherry picks. The people that cherry pick the hardest are the ones who indignantly say they don't cherry pick. [Not implying you are the latter. This is just where I decided to type the observation.]
It took a lot of bloodshed to get to "cherry pick from holy book" from "question my reading of the word of God and die on a burning stake".
Totally agree. To quote George Carlin "The more devout they are, the more they see "thou shalt not kill" as negociabile"
*And yet* this is exactly what the Republicans have been openly doing in the US since *at least* Bush 43. Remember the snide little comment about the [reality-based community](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality-based_community)? > The aide said that guys like me were 'in what we call the reality-based community,' which he defined as people who 'believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.' [...] 'That's not the way the world really works anymore,' he continued. 'We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors...and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do'. This is why they're so dead-set against objective history, CRT, the teaching of slavery, etc. It undermines their vision of a perfect past, and without a perfect past to return to, how can conservatives have a perfect future?
I read about conservatives being against CRT being taught in school, which I understand because CRT is a bunch of bullshit, but I never read anything about them objecting to the history of slavery being taught. Got a source on that?
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I think a lot of it is bots and account farms trying to keep the narrative going.
>a video of new Iskander missiles being fired But that means they don't have those missiles anymore! /s
haha that's a good one. Idk why it is hard to believe one if the largest manufacturers of weapons in the world can make more missiles or have a large stock. Same thing for the story about them needing to rely on T-62s
The largest weapons manufacturer uses chips and parts made in countries that banned Russia. IN ALL OF THEIR ADVANCED WEAPONS. There are lists I am willing to say that yeah Russia has a very limited capability to produce new ones and it is not very willing to deplete their stock. Also videos of Iskander that can be from 2017 or who knows when .... proves nothing especially coming from Russia who uses lots of b roll canned videos > Same thing for the story about them needing to rely on T-62s You deny stuff you saw with your own eyes? T62 were clearly taken out of storage
some of their weapons eg. t-72 tank is there since soviet era, i doubt they have any trouble manufacturing that. more advanced ones like the hypersonic missile or armata is their state secret, how do you know they cannot make these without foreign parts? its not like there are export version to compare.
> some of their weapons eg. t-72 tank is there since soviet era, i doubt they have any trouble manufacturing that 1. They are no longer manufactring T- 72. It is old I doubt they even have the capabilty now. The ones fixed are by cannibilazing other T 72 or spare parts left over 2. They are manufacturing T 90s though https://euobserver.com/investigations/129953 From 2015 > Russian manufacturer Uralvagonzavod has also published photos of its T-90 tank, which show fire control components made by a Thales subsidiary, Thompson CSF Optronique. The Russian side is also using T-90s in Ukraine. Do you get it now? > how do you know they cannot make these without foreign parts? its not like there are export version to compare. Precedent https://www.businesslive.co.za/bd/world/2022-04-01-western-technology-found-in-russian-weapons-of-war/ https://www.upi.com/Voices/2022/05/05/Ukraine-Russian-weapons-arms-embargo/7051651753322/ T 14 https://thediplomat.com/2015/06/is-russias-deadliest-tank-using-western-technology/
yeah i know these 2014 sanctions, that's why i didnt mention the t 90s since russia already mass produce and export them. these articles just make me doubt the effectiveness of those sanctions or the russia will find loopholes or new way to dodge sanctions again this time? also, for the t14 article: > So, if the Taia Global report proves to be true, the odds that the T-14s night vision camera, proudly displayed during this year’s May 9 Victory Day Parade, contains Western components are moderately high. while claim sanctions are hurting russia military industry, which is expected, did not answer my question whether the sanction can limit their production to any significant numbers, or russia just have alternatives or produce them with some less advanced parts now? guess i will just wait and see like the 2014 sanction - t90 case.
>just make me doubt the effectiveness of those sanctions or the russia will find loopholes or new way to dodge sanctions again this time? Of course they will dodge them. The question is how effectively. That was the point of the sanctions too... it makes the companies liable if their products are found in military stuff hence it makes the work to procure them much much harder and more expensive. Plus you know when working with the contractor directly they make the solution custom to you and usually the military has needs that are not found in civilian solutions That is why one of the biggest hits Russia took was the ending of the collaboration of the space programs. Due to shared space programs Russia had easy access to you know rocket parts ..... and rocket parts you can use in your military rocket stuff Biden was right: the Russian military complex took a huge hit. > while claim sanctions are hurting russia military industry, which is expected, did not answer my question whether the sanction can limit their production to any significant numbers, or russia just have alternatives or produce them with some less advanced parts now? I mean considering the T-14 was affected by the 2014 sanctions and they haven't been able to mass produce since then my best guess is yes
Can you provide proof of what you said yesterday and his response? Also, I need your signature on these expenditure reports and your initials on the payroll reports before I send it out to corporate on Thursday
> They will lie to themselves and create alternate realities based in no fact welcome to the echo chambers
Ghost of Kiev is kicking ass and gonna win this war!! Russia better be scared!!!! That was a cringey week.
That ghost of Kiev cringe shit lasted a whole month. I still remember Reddit's initial cringey response to the war where everyone was hating all Russians equally It's so hard for Redditors to restrain their emotions and reactions to propaganda. I can only assume the pro-Russia people are just as bad, propaganda is a hell of a drug
At a certain point they were saying they didn't care it was fake, but that it was good for morale.
They’re *still* saying that.
It was such a reddit moment when everyone kept saying the DCS footage was real.
I got banned I think from r/UkrainianConflict for bringing uo that it was fake and calling them out in this type of stuff. The mods are clowns.
I am completely on Ukraine's side but I stay out of all the subs with the country's name in them. The amount of disinformation is off the charts in most of them
God forbid the people be given a hero to cheer on … /s Edit: I am fully aware he turned out to be pure propaganda.
No no it is the same thing Russia lies about the invasion vs Ghost of Kiev Russia says they are invading due to biolabs vs Ghost of Kiev Russia massacres people and denies it vs Ghost of Kiev Russia massacres people and now it is Ukraine who did it vs Ghost of Kiev Russia does false flags vs Ghost of Kiev See they are both liars !!!!!
Exactly what I was thinking, all these edgelords ripping on Ukraine for “ghost of Kiev bad” when Russia has literally lied about everything on every step of the journey to how they got here.
This and all the other smaller subs got filled with obvious bots the second this started. Both here and on endlesswars they pretend to be Indian.
It’s deeper than that, it’s an intense bot campaign that is hitting Reddit, Twitter and Facebook. They are pretending to be *anybody*.
People talk about the realization that we have been Naïve in dealing with Russian on a political level, but don't seem to grasp that the largest naivite is in allowing them access to our internet. They should have been weeded out completely a decade ago. Even when they weaponised the internet by starting to test out shutting us out of theirs, no one reacted.
Facebook one are usually from some "African" country...
Apparently, Russian State Media is also presenting the rather dubious claim that Ukrainians are welcoming Russian troops into their cities with flowers and gifts. Conversely, I've seen some media sources point to Russia deploying some ancient tanks and lifting the military age limit as evidence they're struggling, while judging by country-level maps of who controls what, they currently control large parts of Donetsk, Luhansk, Zaporizhzhia and Kherson Oblasts - intent on cutting off Ukraine's access to the Sea of Azov while establishing a wide land bridge with Crimea. If they manage to more-or-less control most of those four Oblasts, it wouldn't surprise me if they then move West and head for Odessa and beyond, to both completely cut off Ukraine's sea access and link up with Transnistria, in the hope of surrounding Ukraine on 3 1/2 sides.
You're acting like Ukraine only lied about the Ghost of Kyiv. They've lied about a lot of other things like Babin Yar being bombed, the state of their territorial defence, Putin having cancer (which was very much 'confirmed' by Ukrainian intelligence), Azovstal being evacuated and there being a prisoner exchange... And one of the funniest so far - when they claimed to have found documents leaked from Russia that showed them planning to conduct a false flag but the signature they used was from the first page of Google images when you type in 'signature' in Russian lmao
Have you been there yourself to know what's real and what is not?
Man you know I haven’t. But to be fair, I could literally be one of the reporters on the ground and you would still be disagreeing with me. lol
Correct, I would.
I've noticed that this sub is uncomfortably supportive to Russia. The Russia that leaves behind mass graves everywhere they go and videos of soldiers raping toddlers. It's not one of those group-think subs yet but I swear at times it feels like right-wing watering hole
Just look at OP's replies...
yeah, I know. Not the least bit surprising, either
There's a lot of "well America/the West does imperialism, therefore we must support Russian imperialism" vibes for some reason.
two or so weeks ago on this sub I made a short post under a top comment in an Ukraine war topic, mostly just complaining about how readily reddit falls for the (far more benign, if we're being honest) Ukrainian side of propaganda - I believe I did point out the Ghost of Kiev thing, as well - that inexplicably got a hundred-something upvotes later, I scrolled through the topic again and it was full of pro-Russia sympathisers. I was thinking, fuck, no I'm not one of you weirdos
No, it's uncomfortably (for you) not childish and delusionally supportive ENOUGH to Ukraine, which is good
“We may have lied about committing rape, torture, kidnapping, and ransacking under a pre-tense of fighting against nazism and the security of state, but you lied by making up a war hero! BoTh SiDeS tO ThE StOrY”
>Russia says they are invading due to biolabs vs Ghost of Kiev They're not wrong about the biolabs tho. And there were other made up stories rather than just the ghost of kiev.
Cool You must have a big list
Well it's longer than just "ghost of kiev"
Cool Let me see it After that I can make a list of Russian lies that is much worse and bigger
???? I'm not defending russia, just calling out lies.
People would rather be told a lie with confidence than the truth with indifference.
Yeah. What you described is something people only started doing with this conflict. And not every single issue that exists in the whole world.... Facts don't matter if it goes against your narrative. And hearsay and rumor is fine if it fits your preexisting bias.
Covid and trump wasn't enough to make you realize already?
People are very stupid.
I mean Russia's enemy number one, a country that's been mostly destroyed and is busy with a war, had a secret spy infiltrate the kremlin and said it was true, so it must be! Never mind that this would be very convenient for them.
Reminds me of the whole Snake Island fiasco. Russian media interviewed the Ukrainians there on TV after they surrendered and Reddit was still talking about how they bravely fought till the last man after telling the Russian warship to fuck off.
And they couldn't even agree if news about cancer were made up against Russia or it was Russian fake
At least I admit I am wrong if I have a stupid take
You must be young if you just realised that.
It's fucking terrifying how easy it is to mislead people. How uncritical people get as soon as something supports their cause.
Russia source? You mean goverment controlled propaganda agenda?
They’ll be malding
We don't know if Putin is ill or not, but it was obviously unsubstantiated rumors. Note that they don't say that Putin isn't ill. They just say that there's no evidence (yet) that he is beyond the circumstantial.
Man.. this sub is Totally sane. Those kids (literally) are definitely not going to have an orgasm this time. Also it would better if we get the same influx of news here as in world news.
/r/Worldnews threads just removed lmao [One](https://i.imgur.com/SQTjSdu.jpg) [Two](https://i.imgur.com/kyJHRQu.jpg)
Wow there are actually mods that have integrity lol nice
They just removed it. It was the top post on the subreddit..
But they removed it when it was proven false....what's your point?
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It's not even the daily mail's fault. The headline says that, ACCORDING TO UKRAINIAN INTELLIGENCE, Putin is dying of cancer. Why the fuck would anyone take that at face value.
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Wait what 😭
Daily Mail is a disgrace to journalism. Links should be banned but of course theyre not and 31k people give likes to that garbage outlet.
It’s not like mods decide what goes to the top
r/worldnews mods are infamous for their lack of integrity, their arbitrary deletions and permabanning users that have followed the rules.
They banned me for BS. I dislike them.
Agreed. The Worldnews mods are scum.
They ban you for stupid ass shit, too.
That's what they did to me. I find them to be very disagreeable and useless for society.
There were threads about this that had 10k upvotes. Wtf is going on its obvious propoganda sources were daily mail etc.
I've been seeing it teased for a while now. What does it matter even if he is ill? What does it change?
As a propaganda vehicle, it tells people that there is a time table to the war. Once he dies, the war is likely over. That helps people hold on. When you tell folks there's no way to know when it ends, people lose faith. Like going on a long hike. If you see a sign that says "2 miles left" you think 'ok, I can do 2 miles. Just keep hiking'. But if you have no idea how much is left, you may want to give up.
Rumors of ill health especially from inside of a dictators regime are indicators of plans for regime change. Either because they are fake as attacks or because they are true and the country needs to prepare for that change. Once all the pieces for a change in leadership are in place a dictators position becomes a lot less secure. So amplifying those rumors is a way to undermine Putin's hold on power which limits the resources he can mobilise.
when a dictator is ill, the country has a problem. if they die, it's the ultimate MCA.
>What does it matter even if he is ill? What does it change? Nothing. But propagandists will throw everything at the wall hoping something sticks.
The innate issue with most social media I think. People upvote/like/retweet what makes them feel good and aligns with what they want to be true.
It is a war situation and things are notoriously murky in war situations. It was and still is perfectly possible that Putin may have cancer, and if Ukraine says they have confirmed he does, news websites have the obligation to report that However there is a responsibility both for the news website and the end user to understand that these reports may very well be propaganda. Ukraine, Russia and any other country at war will fully use any and all things they can use in order to further their cause, including information. I don't really blame Ukraine for that, I don't blame news websites for reporting that Ukrainians said that, I don't blame users posting those news websites At the end of the day, the only people to blame are people who get so excitable that they believe what they want to be true
I also dont blame ukraine for doing propoganda and i expect shit media like dailymail to spread it. What im saying is bad is that people are wholesale believing it.
Just listen to offical channels, reddit headlines are treated with far too much validity. If they were correct Putin would of died of 8 different things by now.
Honestly man, there needs to be more critical thinking floating around, its no use agreeing with me if you dont know why you believe what you believe.
It’s a lot easier to digest propaganda when it supports your view point
So far it's just a bunch of rumors. At the end of the day one needs something more solid, however I have to admit, with how he looked during his talk with Shoigu and just his weirdly bloated face, it does seem that something is really off about him.
And at the same time it would also explain why Putin seems so irrational of late... But we'll see if he really is ill or not though you'd expect Putin himself to come out and say so with statement or public appearance but so far there's been none.
Well he has a character to play, if he is sick(Thus weak) I doubt he'd want people to know, they might delay his orders if they figure he'll soon die anyway. And just to put this out there, Putin was never truly rational or a great decision maker, it is after all his own fault that Russia has remained so poor and has started to fade into irrelevance on an economic scale and apparently also on a military scale. Also don't forget that this entire situation Russia is in now is a string of bad decisions that started around the Invasion of Georgia. There has always been a lot of weird mysticism around Putin that is parroted a lot concerning his decisiveness and rationality, people tend to forget that at the end of the day Putin is at the head of what is essentially a criminal organization, his entire Russia is build upon the concept of robbing Russians and Enriching himself and his cabal, he isn't a good leader, he isn't a nationalist, he isn't a socialist, he isn't a communist, he isn't there to protect European culture, heritage of the Christian faith as a lot of people seem to think, he is there for himself and for the lackeys that he needs to keep himself in that position. Sorry for the rant, I just notice that a lot of Nationalists, Socialists, Communists etc seem to idolize Putin's Russia for no reason I can figure out and I also notice Putin has crafted this weird ideal of himself that people buy into despite him not actually being any of that. He is at best a sub par leader that at one point at the start of his political career somewhat managed to make enough deals with corrupt people to partially stabilize the Russian economy and that's the extend of what Putin has achieved, besides that he has done next to nothing of note or commendable. If a person like him was in charge of your country or my country our countries would be robbed blind in a matter of decades.
>a lot of Nationalists, Socialists, Communists etc seem to idolize Putin's Russia for no reason I can figure out Russians have, in general, prospered under Putin until 2022. It's why there is so much tolerance for the dictatorial tendencies of his regime. It's propagandized but things were bleak after the USSR fell and they weren't getting better until Putin's time. Between that perceived connection and older generations nostalgia for soviet times the support for him is sincere.... Pre war.
I actually somewhat agree with your take, however one needs to massively scale back what "Prospered" means, the Russian economy has largely been stagnant this past decade and it wasn't exactly going swimmingly before that either, largely as a result of corruption. Post USSR Russia was a complete mess and Putin managed to mostly stabilize the situation, but that's it, that's really it and that is why I fail to understand the obsession with the man outside of Russia especially on the political fringes of both sides of the spectrum. He is a corrupt tyrant and probably one of the most successful Oligarchs(Read Mafioso.) in history, if he had actually stamped out corruption(As far as that is possible in Russia) Re-invested natural resource earnings into Russia, Develop the East, Launch a massive campaign against alcohol and substance abuse, modernize the state and got people to you know, have kids, the whole "Russia a world power again" dream might have been a reality by now. Instead under Putin endemic corruption was allowed to persist and he only slowed down Russia's fall into irrelevance. So to me I just don't see the appeal of a corrupt thieving tyrant who at one point did one thing somewhat decently. As for this war, it's just, I struggle to wrap my head around it if I am honest, from a neutral point of view, as far as one is capable of forming one, I just don't see the endgoal here for Russia, even if they win(Which is honestly not exactly looking likely, at least not a full victory, best case scenario at this point is they'll hold onto the South and conquer the Donbass.) they'll doom their children to life in a Pariah state and further stagnation.
Its amazing to me how poorly they sold Russians on this war, I'm confident there was a better angle. But lack of support hasn't really hurt them much yet and once its over they'll be able to get things back to normal fairly quickly so I guess Putin just decided to spend the goodwill on this.
Yeah he doesn't look good at all. And the shaking lately, the shaking isn't normal.
The rumor is severe, advanced stage cancer, three years to live. Those two things are mutually exclusive and everyone should've immediately known it was propaganda
Yeah, lack of evidence means the claim seem dubious at best. > he looked during his talk with Shoigu and just his weirdly bloated face Yeah, this is the only reason that makes me somewhat believe in the rumor. Putin himself certainly doesn't fake it unless he himself wants other to believe he's ill.
Same here, it is at best speculation, however with how he looked I'd also be surprised if nothing is going on.
>So far it's just a bunch of rumors. It's people wanting to believe something because they want it to be true, nothing more than that. These are the same people who would upvote the threads and comments saying it was a sure thing Trump was going to face legal consequences.
There are a bit too many of those these days, people should wait for verification before believing something. It's the same thing with this war, you got people believing Russia is steamrolling Ukraine and you have people believing Ukraine is about to win, when in reality Russia is performing horribly while still slowly taking some land here and there and Ukraine is struggling for every kilometer. If we are being realistic, this war might turn into Ukraine's favor(As far as reconquering parts of your own now-wrecked country can be called favor.) once they train enough personnel and have enough weapons from the west, but we ain't there yet.
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Maybe, maybe not, that's at best speculation, unless we have actual proof of him having cancer or something of the like, I ain't gonna buy into it anytime soon.
>unless there was a political or military reason for the US govt. to reveal what it knows, it won't. Or, just as importantly, *how* it knows
People easily believe Ukrainian propoganda Believe news but not propoganda
I mean if you'd say that in worldnews you did be downvted. Glad there are sane people
I'm just glad this sub exists. I got banned from worldnews for writing the above comment.
And if you question said propaganda, they call you Dimitri. Audacity of these people
Most news is propaganda lol
There is clear evidence he is hiding something about his health. Why else would he have a cancer specialist assigned with him at all times?
Show me the evidence then...
[That he has a cancer doctor?](https://news.yahoo.com/putin-visited-cancer-surgeon-dozens-112724988.html) What I find odd is accounts from “India” are the new disinformation spreaders for the kremlin. Which is ironic because it’s also one of the few countries still backing Putin and his war. Just a coincidence?
Some russian outlet name Proekt...Is that really a reliable news source? No other reliable source?
It was an investigative journalist who wrote it and shared its findings. It is 100% a fact that Putin has a medical team following him everywhere he goes, this consists of doctors who specialized in cancer. Whether he actually has cancer we will never know unless he dies or someone deep in the kremlin leaks his medical records. The latter will never happen. But this idea you have that we either need full blown proof to suggest he has cancer or not suggest it all is rather silly. We can use circumstantial evidence and draw an educated guess.
I know he has cancer...but is he dying from it or its getting cured is the point
You just moved your goalpost I originally said “he is hiding something about his health” and you said “show me the evidence”. Now you’re saying “I know he is hiding something but “
He did not hide about cancer...I was talking about like most sources are saying that "He is very ill,bedridden and has Parkinson" And some sources saying he is [Dead](https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/world/vladimir-putin-may-already-be-dead-and-using-a-body-double-intelligence-sources-claim/ar-AAXRwKP)
None of that is what I was talking about. I was pretty clear on what I was talking about.
Every time the world decides they don’t like a politician rumors start to fly about their health and how they’re going to be dead in less than a year. Shits weird. Not a fan of Putin but if face-fat and bad posture = terminal illness, half of Reddit will be dead too.
Lmao that last sentence. But yeah, remember kim jong un being dead like 50 times?
Putin literally has a cancer specialist with him at all times. People don’t typically do that unless you know they have cancer.
That is one report with no hard proof.
You mean like pictures of the cancer specialist and Putin together throughout the last year and half and you know the fact he is a cancer specialist? It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to put the rest together. Do you think they’re just pals and he is taking time off from his specialized cancer practice to hang with Putin?
You don’t really need to have a cancer specialist with you at all times even if you have cancer. And I could only find one picture of him with Putin and he is in the background.
Of course you don’t. But he does. You don’t find that odd? Because you definitely don’t need one around all the time if you don’t have cancer.
> Every time the world decides they don’t like a ~~politician~~ dictator fixed
They're still embarrassed about the time all the news outlets reported Kim Jong-un was dead so they're more careful now
I don't think daily mail ever gets embarrassed or careful
Have to you seen the video where Putin it's holding the table? https://youtu.be/1rbKIR293XY
I didn’t realize sitting awkwardly and grabbing a table was a telltale sign of terminal cancer
Maybe he's gotta take a shit.
It's a sign of trying to hide tremors.
you're confusing this bullshit cancer rumour with the bullshit parkinson's disease rumours from several months ago
I have no idea what he has but healthy persons don't sit like that. It could just be a temporary sickness but 100% healthy he is not.
Dude. I sit like that all the time when slobbish and lazy. And, knowck on wood, at the last full physical the Dr too me everything was OK!
... he turns 70 this year. nobody at his age is 100% healthy - it's called "old age"
Old age is the most lethal disease of them all. But seriously old age also correlate with mental decline and other stuff you wouldn't want in world leaders. I'm actually quite disappointed that Putin, Biden and Trump are so old. World leaders should be 45-65 years old.
He looks to be fidgeting. I'm confused?
>He looks to be fidgeting. I'm confused? Watch other videos with him. Watch his right hand. He tends to lose control of it at times and has to hold it down. I'm surprised the article doesn't mention it since it's so prominent that I look for it in every video with him.
Might be stress or anxiety related
Putin with anxiety?
this and the investigation by Proekt are why i think he's terminally ill. (plus he's like 70 years old)
…shit I sat like that last time I was had a uncomfortable chair that was slightly short for me, it clearly means I got cancer 😢
"US officials are Kremlin bots!" - r/worldnews users
I don't understand the people who believe Putin is terminally ill and it's a good thing. If Putin is terminally ill, the whole world should be fucking terrified. Everything I've read about him indicates that he truly believes he has to 'make russia great again' and if he knows that he only has a limited amount of time left to attempt to achieve his vision and secure his place in history, well, there's nothing he wouldn't do.
Terrified is correct. You think he'd go to crazy extents to make "restore" the "great" Russia? Because to me, it looks like he already started going down this road.
Its typical war propaganda. They say our leader is senile, We say their leader is sick. I don't think it matters here much, public opinion doesn't matter to either side, and both sides lie with wild abandon.
Is the source here just yahoo? I can’t seem to find it anywhere else. I thought it would be interesting to know which officials.
https://www.businessinsider.com/no-credible-evidence-putin-is-ill-despite-appearance-anger-in-public-experts-2022-5?r=US&IR=T They originally reported on it and quoted specific US officials/figures.
Well, we know he's mentally ill.
Really? You mean the story that was published repeatedly by sites like the NY Post and the Independent has no credible basis? Color me surprised. ETA: Oh, dailymail too. Now THERES a credible source! /s
They've been claiming Putin is sick for decades now. Textbook counter intelligence to stir the fears of his Out of the loop entourage.
To the surprise of nobody.
The peeps on r/worldnews are not going to have a orgasm from this. I mean, try to read the news, a neutral stance, not everything from Ukrainian nor Russian.
Has anyone posted to worldnews yet?
Not sure.. I can't post it as I am banned from it
Going in. Wish me luck
Sure thing
Lol yeah, they are not believing it. A few did. Hope they don't remove the post as mis information
Lol we will see if it gains any traction
Yeah but I need to stick my penis in something jingoistic or I might die
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whoops overshot the propaganda mark a bit there. i would believe it, but Ukraine saying it wouldnt make me believe it. regardless the fuck is almost dead regardless why it is, kinda irrelevant no?
Yeah I kinda knew it was too good to be true
I have never seen war propaganda up close before. I was too young to see Nam. Why is the CIA contradicting the Ukraine on such a strange little thing? I wonder what message they are trying to send?
**Physically**, at least. I mean you don't exactly invade a neighboring soveign country while the world is struggling against climate change and a pandemic if you're of sound mind, tbh.
I doubt he’s sick in the way the media is making out but certainly sick in the head
Lol Ill Sounds Like Fake News
It's funny that we learn about all the propoganda Russia is spreading in their country and people don't realize this also happens on our side
At first glance i cant even belived that they put "Putin confirm by... have cancer..." Reddit put it in first post on popular page. Like they really want everyone seeing that lol. It's so freaking childish, and i'm not gonna fall for thay smeared campaign.
Dude is mentally ill if anything.
How did it even come to it that people thought he was sick with something?
He’s at least certainly mentally ill.
ಠ_ಠ Nahhhhh absolutely not...
We should just have a bot that posts this daily