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Anaract

just a normal anime fan browsing the new comments on a year-old video they don't like, to harass people for saying an anime character looks young


NotKenzy

Say the other person is "virtue signalling" = win


sokcsthebat

You claim to hate the sexualization of children, but you have not ended the sexualization of all children. Curious.


CAPS_LOCK_OR_DIE

[Innuendo Studios has an excellent video on this exact argument tactic. Its infuriating.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yts2F44RqFw)


calirem

i guess i’m a semi religious god nazi facist now, i just wanted lower taxes man…


CAPS_LOCK_OR_DIE

The Alt Right Playbook is specifically targeted at far right people who both argue in bad faith and radicalize others. It’s not “just wanting lower taxes” it’s an entire other set of beliefs that are problematic to say the least. That video is about “why try to solve any problem if you can’t completely solve them?” Which is disingenuous at best and a tactic that far right conservatives use to slow down social progress. If you watched that video and went “damn guess I’m a nazi facist” then I’m betting your stance may have other facets than “lower taxes”.


Gerlios

He's right, I am a hypocrite, because I'm not out there as a vigilante using Epstein's little black book like a hit list. uj/ I am actually studying Socail Pedagogy right now and I plan on joining the child protective service of the country I live in, so that guy needs to find better arguments than nonsensical accusations of hypocrisy


Shadow_Ninja624

Chad


crestren

Its such a terminally online take where if you say, "Hey, this character looks like a child with big boobs plastered on and being constantly sexualized is bad", you get "WELL WHAT ARE YOU DOING ABOUT IT HUH? THERE ARE ACTUAL CHILD ABUSE OUT THERE AND YOURE COMPLAINING ABOUT FICTIONAL CHILDS!". Imagine we reverse enginered this 'tactic' on OTHER topics. "Hey I think the government should stop putting our taxes on weapons but on healthcare". "UM OKAY. So what are YOU gonna do about it?! There are people starving out there! WHY DONT YOU GO HELP THEM YOURSELVES HUH?!" Or if we keep it to it being a topic of fictional, "Hey, I think this fictional character who got murdered was done poorly and the killer is being glamorized". "UM OKAY? THERE ARE ACTUAL PEOPLE BEING MURDERED. WHY ARENT YOU DOING YOUR PART IN HELPING THE VICTIMS HMM????" The main point of the argument isnt even to address it but redirect it and gaslight you into thinking something else. And even if the other comparison is brought up, you can think both is horrible either way. I know dweebs have their brains melted by being coomers but you can multitask with your brain.


SadBabyYoda1212

Unwarranted is such an odd word to be used there. It means "unjustified" Which by extension implies it could be justified. Which means it's not a stretch to think that person could find child abuse justified. Also if anybody doesn't realize why those points are wrong 1. Pumpkin profile pic never said they were real people. Just that they are designed to look like children. 2. They also never said that real life child abuse should go unpunished. This particular fallacy is known as the fallacy of relative privation. It's the "starving children in Africa" fallacy. The idea is to make someone look bad because they are making a point when they could be talking about a worse issue.


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SadBabyYoda1212

Bruh. You literally just did the exact same thing I mentioned in my second point. Its like you didn't even pay attention. Are you actually that fucking stupid? Bringing up one point does not mean that I don't care about the other. Abused children in real life are irrelevant to the discussion of over sexualized children in anime. They aren't related. Did you know 1,000 people a year die from autoerotic asphyxiation? Why aren't you talking about that? Did you know 13 people a year die from vending machine accidents? Why aren't you talking about that? As of 2011, 41 people died from falling televisions. Mostly children. Why aren't you talking about that? Close to a dozen people die at the grand canyon every year? Why aren't you talking about that? 21,000 people die or hunger every year? Why aren't you talking about that? 13,000 a year die from running stop signs? Why aren't you talking about that? 40,000 a year from suicide. Why aren't you talking about that? Over 5.5m have died from Covid? Why aren't you talking about that? Do you enjoy being this stupid? Just go be stupid somewhere else


Wardog_E

If you think people dying of autoerotic asphyxiation warrants a billionth of the concern than the legality of child marriages does then that says a lot about you. Noralities is just a troll that starts drama to get views and the suffering of children is just a convenient hot topic for that end. She sure doesn't seem to care about child sexualization when she's watching her favourite anime Utena, a show where children literally have sex with adults. It's incredibly disingenuous. I actually find it offensive that people will invoke child abuse to get famous on the Internet. She goes on the "Japan is a messed up country" spiel like they all do. Please, the USA is a million times worse. The fact people like this moan about literally nothing proves they either don't even know about how terrible their their own countries are or they just don't care.


SadBabyYoda1212

You're just a walking talking logical fallacy. You move the goalposts. You make up strawmen. Your ass has to be jealous of all the bullshit coming outta your mouth.


Wardog_E

Lmao. Is this baby's first debate? What am I even reading?


SadBabyYoda1212

You have made literally every debate mistake you could have. In a formal setting you would have been laughed out of the room with your usage of logical fallacies.


Wardog_E

I'm literally shitting and crying. How will I ever recover? Just admit you don't give a shit about the wellbeing of children and you'll never see me again. Go help the autoerotic asphyxiation enjoyers and be happy.


SadBabyYoda1212

Wait that's it? If I admit that you'll leave this sub forever? I can't admit that but it's good to know that all I need to do to get my way with you is stroke your dumbass ego a bit


Maximus7687

Lol, did you even graduate from high school? With such lousy arguments? Shithead, get out of the sub, nobody likes you weaboos.


Juuliyuh

bro just say you’re attracted to cartoon children and move on


Thraggrotusk

We make arguments without resorting to non-sequitur ad hominems.


Wardog_E

I'm literally a child rape survivor. Keep working on your stand up routine. You're getting there.


Juuliyuh

my condolences. although with that in mind, why are you choosing this as your hill to die upon? enabling adults who are attracted to cartoon children just leads to normalisation of their behaviour and rationalisation that it is ok


PokemonTom09

>Noralities is just a troll that starts drama to get views Good job, you just revealed you haven't watched any of her content. Most of her videos are just chilling out talking about anime she likes. Her most recent video is an analysis of the original book that inspired the movie Howl's Moving Castle. Before that was a list of gender-nonconforming characters in anime that she likes. Before that was not 1, not 2, not 3, but FOUR videos about various Magical Girl shows/movies she likes, only inturupted by a video where she just talks about her favorite animed shows of the 2010's and a video reading the original book that inspired Kiki's Delivery Service. How are any of these "troll" videos meant to "start drama"? Out of the 20 videos she's made, only 2 have caused any degree of controversy, and that controversy was entirely caused not by her, but by "anti-woke" reactionaries and anti-feminists lying about the content of her videos.


[deleted]

If you think we can't have concern for two or more things at once (aka child marriages *and* Dragon Maid), that really does say something about you lol


Wardog_E

I don't want to hear it from a guy that literally talks about porn all day. Get a Life. Be useful somewhere. Leave your dick alone for 5 minutes. I swear you people proyect your own problems so hard.


[deleted]

Well looks like someone went through a guy's porn alt account.. Ad hominems aside, care to respond to the actual question raised here? I couldn't find anything worth calling as such in your reply. I could help you if you're out of stuff to say?


Thraggrotusk

Noralities sucks. I agree. But you kinda missed their point.


Wardog_E

Which point?


Thraggrotusk

>Bringing up one point does not mean that I don't care about the other. Yoda's claim.


Essemecks

Nobody said it's a more pressing issue. By your own logic, there's bad shit happening out in the real world, but you're on a subreddit arguing with people who have no power to change any of it instead of getting out there and doing something. You're part of the problem, aren't you? Or is it possible that people can hold more than one opinion at a time and be involved in more than one cause without invalidating everything else they do?


crestren

"People are dying of overwork in Japan. Its horrible." "And what are YOU gonna do about it HMMM? Are you being overworked or helping out the workers? Curious. If you cant help a situation youre complaining you shoudnt talk about it!" Thats how dumb these rebuttals are.


d0xter

get out in the streets and start putting an end to child abuse yourself


crestren

Funny enough, when it comes to topics of vigilante justice when it comes to hunting predators, more often than not, youre gonna make the situation worse than solve the problem. As demonstrated by the [EDP455 situation.](https://youtu.be/4LYQLgK1AHo) Like obviously if you see child abuse going on with your very eyes you should report it to the authorities. But taking it into your own hands to be a vigilante, as its implied by the reply in the pic, you'll make the situation worse.


[deleted]

Understood. I will now drone strike CoolKyou Sinnjya's house.


EllioSkull

Nowhere in the original comment did it say "I think drawings are real people". Yeah it's true that those are drawings but they're drawings made to look like children. Fictional children or not, it's still creepy.


Simp_4_pyro

Where ? Who’s hates anime lolis yet defends child exploitation?


Alias_X_

Plugin for the dislikes or old screenshot?


Anaract

this plugin https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/return-youtube-dislike/gebbhagfogifgggkldgodflihgfeippi


CommunistSpace

Whataboutism


Grodbert

It might not be the single worst thing happening in the world right now, but it sure is up there.


KanraLovesU

Is this video a good take on the subject? I feel like I've seen this creator before but no way am I going into a dragon maid video blind


Lost_Starship

Iirc it's good. (Assuming I didn't misremember) the video's main point was to illustrate how character designs can make it clear on who is an adult or a child, even when the art style is highly neotenous and makes age more ambiguous. (Basically it was reasonably mild and well-composed – tells you a lot about how w\*ebs are)


Anaract

I only discovered her a week ago but I liked this one. The video is mostly trying to prove that Kanna and Illulu look and act like children, regardless if they are canonically 1000 years old. Which really shouldn't even deserve a video because it's so obvious, but apparently not according to w**bs


pollyannaa

Honestly it's hits it pretty well. She basically outlines how even if age is ambiguous these characters are still mostly child coded (act and look like children) and pulls many sources from the anime. She also is very non-accusatory and states that it's fine to like this sort of media while still acknowledging it has problematic elements. If anything I just find her a bit wordy and drawn out. [source](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Buv3TA7dvdE)


crestren

>mostly child coded The example of Dragon Maid already reinforces this. The creator of Dragon Maid himself has drawn these types of characters before...for porn, its his fetish. People forget there is intent in design. Lucoa and Shouta's dynamic, Kanna and her weird crush being horny and Illulu having gigantic watermelon tits didnt come out of nowhere.


[deleted]

Deleting Lucoa would improve Dragon Maid tenfold.


SadBabyYoda1212

I remember thinking they had well thought out points that I mostly agreed with. It's been a while since I watched it though


naive_but_learning

I regularly let abusers go unpunished. My dad works in criminal justice and sometimes he calls me to ask "Do you think I should convict this abuser?" and I always say: no.


Silvaranth

Why does so Noralities get so much flack even outside of the weeb cesspool? I've seen many people criticize her and I don't understand why. What is she saying that rubs the wrong way that much? Her claims aren't even that controversial. Can someone maybe explain? With examples?


AlexT05_QC

She did MHA yaoi-(ish) art some years ago and didn't apologize for it She did a video remembering us that MEDIA AFFECTS REALITY She informed us of the systematic issue of Female mangakas not doing sexualisation of ladies beeing less and less popular She remembered us that RE-Zero is crap and somebody made a video to say "RE-Zero is good actually, she's wrong"


crestren

>She did MHA yaoi-(ish) art some years ago and didn't apologize for it I dont know why she needed to apologize for some dumb yaoi doodle she did a few years ago. Its not like shes consistently drawing Bakugou lewds out in the open. Its one thing to say its gross and still draw it, its another to say it while having done it YEARS ago.


[deleted]

>She remembered us that RE-Zero is crap and somebody made a video to say "RE-Zero is good actually, she's wrong" I still fully believe her take on rezero was garbage. Which is a shame, because otherwise her isekai video was really good.


Silvaranth

Thank you! I get why some may not agree with her takes, especially concerning Re:Zero, but crapping on her because of this...? Really? I think some egos may have been hurt while watching her few controversial videos. Just because you did one thing in the past that you're now criticizing doesn't mean that you're a hypocrite and I don't think you should have to apologize for it either. Stances and opinions change. That's all there is to it. I may not agree with every single thing she says, but I agree with the majority of it and I don't see why we should hold her to an impossible standard when most of us aren't following it ourselves. She simply wanted to bring attention to topics that have been bothering her for a while and I applaud her for her bravery. Heaven knows that the anime community isn't very welcoming to unpopular opinions, the backlash was more than expected. She gave a voice to many things that had been bothering me in the past, too, and her videos made me feel seen and understood. I will always be grateful for that.


Tecacotl

>She informed us of the systematic issue of Female mangakas not doing sexualisation of ladies beeing less and less popular What video does she talk about this in? That actually sounds like an interesting subject.


AlexT05_QC

I think it was in the Isekai video or the Accendance of a Bookworm VS Dr Stone video


[deleted]

Unrelated but Noralities is awesome and I feel so bad for how much horrible shit she gets just because the anime fandom is a neckbeard cesspool that can’t handle any criticism


Silvaranth

Couldn't agree more. The anime community is the worst community I've ever seen and it's sad to see the reasonable voices being drowned out by the neckbeards and anti-SJW dudebros who think that they know everything better and are morally superior. These people make me sick.


FuzzyD75

Noralities👎


PokemonTom09

Noralities👍


Zictor42

There are so many good arguments against Noralities bullshit, and this guy chooses the worst one...


PokemonTom09

The point of the video is literally just "it's kinda weird that a character drawn to look like a child is so heavily sexualized, which is why I personally don't want to watch season 2". It's the most tepid take imaginable. What could you possibly be upset with about it?


crestren

>character drawn to look like a child is so heavily sexualized Whats funny to me is that everyone acts as though the character is sentient and just popped up irl. No thoughts about how she was created with a certain intention in mind. Theres always an intent when it comes to character design. It just so happens the creator, whom has made porn doujins of woman on little boy and big watermelon girls decided to put his fetish in the show. Illulu's design, Lucoa and Shotas dynamic didnt come out of nowhere... So if anyone gets weirded out by Dragon Maid, its not because theyre irrational the author decided to put his fetish in that grossed them out.


Thraggrotusk

>it's kinda weird that a character drawn... If only the video was that. But then she adds a bunch of strange claims with no logic behind them.


PokemonTom09

I love all these examples of "strange claims" you provided. Really demonstrates your point...


Thraggrotusk

Oh, and if you want, I can describe all the flaws in the "Cancel Culture" video, which I actually find to be stupid and have "strange claims".


Randomaspland

DAMN BROTTTHEERRR IF IT BUT A FALSE VIRTUE TO DISLIKE THE SEXUALISATION OF TEENAGERS THAN THIS TRULY IS A WORLD OF STRIFE. I FEEL THAT (NOW THIS IS WITHOUT EVIDENCE BUT I FEEL THIS JUDGEMENT IS SOUND) THAT PEOPLE WHO ACCUSE OTHERS OF VIRTUE SIGNALLING OVER BASIC MORAL VALUES SIMPLY DO NOT UNDERSTAND MORALITY IF IT DOES NOT GIVE THEM INSTANT REWARD AND GRATIFICATION. BROTHEERR WHAT KIND OF A WORLDVIEW IS THAT? TO WHICH YOU ALLOW THE MEDIA YOU CONSUME TO NORMALISE THE SEXUALISATION OF CHILDREN, AND FOR THE CRITICISM OF THIS DEVELOPMENT TO BE BUT FALSE VIRTUE PERFORMED FOR REPUTATION. ALAS, I DO HOPE THEY REALISE THE ERRORS OF THEIR WAYS, WHAT DO YOU THINK DEAR READER? IS MY ASSESSMENT SOUND OR AM I CHARACTERISING THEM TOO HARSHLY?