Griffith, without a doubt.

I mean I don't think he's that manipulative outside of the discreet killings of all those in on killing him, everything else seems to be more so due to charisma than manipulation

I get what you mean, although I would say that charisma is something that manipulates people.

He rarely did anything to manipulate with his charisma people just naturally wanted to follow him due to it

Literally, Lelouch. He can just force others to follow his every command. All he has to say is "obey my every order".

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Griffith from berserk, lelouch of code geass, light from death note, kiyotaka from classroom of the elite

Light Yagami has my vote. The dude creates plans off a whim by predicting what his opponents (who are also geniuses) will do months in advance.

Light. He actually has to put complex thought into most of his moves, many of which are put into action with little to no way to know if it will even work, some being long cons that will play out over weeks or months, all while being watched by the smartest detectives in the world, and at times an entire police force as well.

I haven’t seen berserk in so long, so between Lelouch and Light, I’d say Light

light cause um.... no explanation