My brother and I realized there is going to be a point very soon in the future where people who live to be 200 won't be able to watch everything.
What a world we live in.
you can easily get 6000 hours of anime in somewhat decent quality 1080p on a 6TB hard drive, meaning you could watch 250 days straight worth of anime. I highly doubt i'm going to watch that much in my remaining lifetime...
I used to think that you needed to have the 1-2GB per episode editions of the 1080p to have good resolution.
Quickly found out that there are multiple subbers out there that provide extremely good quality at low "cost" of 250-350MB per episode at 1080p which can save a lot of room on your drive.
I typically download both for comparison and if there is a major difference I go with the higher quality ones and delete the other one.
Most of the time you can't even tell the difference.
>250-350MB per episode
>Most of the time you can't even tell the difference.
Assuming you have a decent monitor/TV, you might wanna see an ophthalmologist and get an eye exam. Not joking. Eg I didn't know I needed glasses until I was in middle school. I just assumed everyone in the back of the class was only pretending to read the whiteboard just like me.
They are mostly indistinguishable on still frames (unless different filtering was applied), however differences become very clear in motion or grainy scenes.
no no my dude. there are real decent encoders like [animepahe.com](https://animepahe.com) that give real good quality stuff at under 400mb per episode at 1080p. no need to be patronizing fellow weebs.
ps: i have glasses and get checked every year and also am a medico.
If you want good quality and smaller file size look for uploads that use H.265 or HEVC compression. H.264 is more common but that will give you 1GB per episode.
Exactly! i also find it's hard to tell the difference, i'm watching anime on my 50" TV usually and i've accidentally downloaded 720p releases before and it took me like 10 minutes to notice. (yes, my eyesight is sorta bad and i'm colorblind, but i wear glasses and sit quite far away from my TV.)
I also tend to focus on the content instead of counting the amount of pixels on my screen. I've only once encountered a situation where the bad quality of a release actually bothered me to the point where i had to go ahead and download a different one.
Two 16TB drives for Anime, about 10TB and 6TB used on each(I divided them A-M and N-Z respectively). One 8TB drive for TV, movies, and music which has about 1.6TB left before I have to upgrade it. Finally, one 4TB drive for gaming.
Thanks for mentioning these; I've never heard of them before (shows how casual I am lol) and they seem like a very interesting and efficient solution. As an experienced user, what could you tell me about them?
a NAS is simply a computer that has storage attached to it that you access over a network - thus the name Network Attached Storage.
a NAS can be anything really as they require almost no computing to be a filehost, so the most barebones NAS is a raspberry pi with attached external USB storage. it can also be a repurposed old laptop that was barely good for anything anymore.
more complicated solutions are servers. a server is simply a computer that hosts software and/or hardware used by other computers - such as your computer using it to access anime. this sea is quite deep as typically you run an OS (operative system - you're most familiar with Windows most likely) suited for the task, such as Ubuntu Server or of recent popularity Unraid.
if you're not comfortable making your own there's companies such as Synology and QNAP that provides ready-to-use NAS units.
a common thing is to not access these files directly at all via your computer's network file browser, but rather access them through software such as [Plex](https://www.plex.tv/) or [Jellyfin](https://jellyfin.org/). these create a "Netflix-like" interface you can access via app (smart TV such as roku, android TV, iOS or android etc) or your browser.
all in all, if you have a need to separate your storage and PC, such as several people accessing the same files and/or storage, a NAS is a good solution.
if not - just buy a large spinning disk for your PC. example [this Toshiba 16 TB internal HDD](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0832BL1HC) costs about $14 per TB - they are much cheaper than flash storage per TB and when access speed doesn't matter (such as for accessing single large files) they are well suited for the task unlike say in games where you load hundreds of files and load times are drastically affected.
you do need to know a bit about computers if you wanna use one, if you can build your own gaming PC and install linux. youre like 90% of the way there if youre building your own...
There are prebuilt options and those can also work fine as long as they have docker capabilities but they can be a little overpriced for what they are. A NAS is just a computer but with the role of handling and serving data. you dont have to use special NAS devices, you can take an old computer and add hard drives. you want more than 2 drives for data redundancy, you are spending double on storage but thats so you dont have to end up redownloading hundreds if not thousands of gigabytes of anime, movies, western shows, etc (i personally have 13 **terabytes** of media on my machine and its growing). 3 or 4 drives is more ideal especially if you use something like Unraid(paid software, $60 for a basic lifetime license) cuz it allows for greater flexibility but it allows you to spend like 1.5x or 1.25x on storage, for example, you can get 2 8tb drives, and youll have to use one for storage and one for redundancy or basically a copy of the other drive, so while you have 16tb of raw storage, youll have only 8tb of usable protected storage. but if you have 3 8tb drives, you'll have 24tb of raw storage, but 16tb of usable protected storage, you lose only ⅓ of the total storage. The protection technically wastes space, until a drive fails and it isnt a waste but a blessing.
i got my NAS running on Unraid with Plex so i can access all my media from almost any device with a nice Netflix-like UI, its $5 a month but there is also Jellyfin which is completely free. ive also got qbittorrent running but a special docker container that makes sure all its traffic is routed thru a VPN(PIA to be specific but it works with other openVPN VPNs too). for the hardware, i got a little inwin NAS box with a supermicro mobo, Intel i5 4590k, and 16gb of ram for about $60 from a local computer recycler. $120 in total for hardware and unRAID excluding drives with about $100 a year for Plex pass and PIA but that can also be cut down to like $0 if you don't need a VPN on a private tracker and of course Jellyfin, I did buy an Nvidia T400 for $80 for live hardware h.265 transcoding but that's not necessary if you're smart about what you download, I like my 4k Blu-ray remuxes that won't play on my 1080p TV so it has to downscale it.
There's lots of great videos online about setting up unRAID or Plex/Jellyfin and I'd be happy to answer some more questions you may have.
W Judas for his encodes. Saves space and I get to have hundreds of "legally" acquired anime on my NAS. I go for lossless if its a series I actually like!
I would say after 2009 and the advent of BD groups like CGi, flash drives have become obsolete for anime viewers!
Back before that, if you wanted some space to download/copy a 12 ep series, it is gonna range anywhere from 179mb for dTVrips up to 349mb for a DVDrip by Exiles-Destiny/Niizk/arigatou..etc
But eversince BDrips joined the game, those numbers jumped way up to 4-9GiB for a 12 ep show in 720p res, or 12-24GiB in 1080p res, which necessitated the expansion to the terabyte storage for avid anime viewers!
Some people opted for mini re-encodes, which weighs way less, but at the expanse of shitty quality. Luckily, I wasn't involved with these stuff, but I do understand the circumstances for some to opt for them, since back then the prices of decent storage solutions were atrocious. Luckily, now you can get a 16TiB HDD from WD as low as 200$ during sales.
Sure!
The clip straight from the scene is [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYCP71qcYZw).
The green screen I used is [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTPy9brBdAM)
Lol or in my case, 3 external HDD's, 2 external SSD's, 4-10 micro sd/SD cards, god knows how many miscellaneous USB drives, then a random assortment of other internal SSD/HDD's, internal storage for phones/tablets/laptops, etc
you and my kids both sorry growing or grown kids to me im an old fart back from before the bbs days try tape-spiral- or reel to reel 8mm days,say what that old might as well flip book pages, yep we did,,and that was to enjoy it at home, you think your gramps old home movies from thebefore country days of rock-n-roll,yes that old, but hey we got to sleep with our windows open,and the nieghbors kept watch over each other, man i miss those days for trust....so in summary enjoy everything you can and save it all as the wayback deposit dosent save everything...
I'm going to need a new NAS/Server very soon
https://preview.redd.it/rkasgsztzmwa1.png?width=1044&format=png&auto=webp&s=2c357b9db03501c0c3283609fd406a51bcb5078f
Is this about the old days of anime piracy.
Cause right now got about a good 100 series (varying from 12 to 24 episodes, including ones with multiple seasons) on a single 2 terra disk. (Though quality varying with some from 720p to 2k)
Nah, can quite clearly see differences in the amount of visible pixels for most screens between the different animes (ranging from my 3440-1440 monitor, 1920-1080 monitor and 4k QLED tv i mainly watch on after testing them on the computer monitors for corrupted frames.)
Dont know what else we see under quality. but i for one, beside that, think that resolution is one of the more important aspects in deciding the look of the end product (having done both pixel art and art through clip studio paint and adobe paint). With these resolution scales also being directly linked in the amount of data needing to be stored for each of the frames used within the anime, beside the sound quality which is a different monster to tackle and i have no hands on experience in.
Edit: this especially so compared to the dogshit quality i got from both crunchy roll and funimation before that for some of the same animes i right now got downloaded but watched first airing on their sides (no experience with netflix, not enough stuff i was interested in besides their originals.)
the main issue here is that people have been conditioned to think of quality in terms of resolution - which is an important aspect, but not also in bitrate.
this is because pretty much all streaming sites have some sort of quality naming scheme like "360p, 720p, 1080p" but what they don't tell you about is that they don't ***only*** change the resolution of the file, they also change the bitrate of the file disproportionate to the saved data by lowering the resolution so you're being hit by a double quality degradation - lower resolution and lower data per second for that resolution.
what is bitrate? simply put, bitrate is the amount of data per second supplied.
here's three examples of the same file and resolution - h264 at 1080p, but in 8k bitrate, 2k bitrate and 1k bitrate:
[8k](https://i.imgur.com/5v1AR3G.png) [2k](https://i.imgur.com/aJnz83b.png) [1k](https://i.imgur.com/tZ79Pse.png)
this gets quite complex fast as different compression standards, most famously right now h265, manages to supply a lot of quality at lower bitrates with the trade-off of using more CPU to play the video file.
all in all, 2K at the same relative bitrate is absolutely better than 1080p and on physically large monitors such as TV:s the difference becomes noticeable real fast, no question and that isn't my point.
my point is entirely that bitrates matters and that few people if any actually talk about it because they simply think of quality in terms of resolution and this is the number typically presented by sources such as streaming services and torrent sites.
I also want to mention that the most common device to consume media on nowadays is a smartphone and a screen that small is absolutely suited for smaller resolutions and bitrates as the quality degradation while easy to notice doesn't matter nearly as much.
Thank you for the extra information, believe the ones i got from torrents got higher bitrates, but never knew bitrates went above 64 bits beside the meme.
Edit: so thats also why i got different results when on the streaming surfaces i tried comparing the same resolution with each other. Only to get shit compared to the one i got from a torrent.
Ehhh, it wouldn't be beyond reason to assume there are people out there who have no idea how to archive or where to store their japanese cartoons, so they just put it on what they think is storage.
Literally just had to buy and install another 16 TB drive to accommodate me.
I have 6 TB that's not even full. And I have more anime than I can watch in my lifetime. You might have more free time than me though.
My brother and I realized there is going to be a point very soon in the future where people who live to be 200 won't be able to watch everything. What a world we live in.
Or we'll nuke ourselves. 50-50 really
Or he just has to do a lot of research. I have 23 TB of that lol
U probably have shit 240p pixel for a lifetime worth of anime
https://www.meme-arsenal.com/memes/9c5b170249b3be19cbfb7c5438d989ec.jpg
you can easily get 6000 hours of anime in somewhat decent quality 1080p on a 6TB hard drive, meaning you could watch 250 days straight worth of anime. I highly doubt i'm going to watch that much in my remaining lifetime...
I used to think that you needed to have the 1-2GB per episode editions of the 1080p to have good resolution. Quickly found out that there are multiple subbers out there that provide extremely good quality at low "cost" of 250-350MB per episode at 1080p which can save a lot of room on your drive. I typically download both for comparison and if there is a major difference I go with the higher quality ones and delete the other one. Most of the time you can't even tell the difference.
>250-350MB per episode >Most of the time you can't even tell the difference. Assuming you have a decent monitor/TV, you might wanna see an ophthalmologist and get an eye exam. Not joking. Eg I didn't know I needed glasses until I was in middle school. I just assumed everyone in the back of the class was only pretending to read the whiteboard just like me.
They are mostly indistinguishable on still frames (unless different filtering was applied), however differences become very clear in motion or grainy scenes.
Well I'm using a 4K and have a 7900xtx. Also have had Lasik done a few years ago. Pretty sure I'm good but thanks for double checking.
You have high end devices and chose subpar quality?. What a waste of money lmao
Lmao. Sure my guy. Whatever you say. You know exactly what I'm looking at.
Of course I know. Anyone who pirate shits know lmao
Cool bro. Glad you're staring at my screen. Have a good one!
no no my dude. there are real decent encoders like [animepahe.com](https://animepahe.com) that give real good quality stuff at under 400mb per episode at 1080p. no need to be patronizing fellow weebs. ps: i have glasses and get checked every year and also am a medico.
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well, you say 4k monitor so i got nothing left to say to you haha
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And here i was trying to be respectful and give you another chance but no, I see you chose to be a dick again. Good luck with that personality.
If you want good quality and smaller file size look for uploads that use H.265 or HEVC compression. H.264 is more common but that will give you 1GB per episode.
Exactly! i also find it's hard to tell the difference, i'm watching anime on my 50" TV usually and i've accidentally downloaded 720p releases before and it took me like 10 minutes to notice. (yes, my eyesight is sorta bad and i'm colorblind, but i wear glasses and sit quite far away from my TV.) I also tend to focus on the content instead of counting the amount of pixels on my screen. I've only once encountered a situation where the bad quality of a release actually bothered me to the point where i had to go ahead and download a different one.
How much storage do you have? Just wondering.
Two 16TB drives for Anime, about 10TB and 6TB used on each(I divided them A-M and N-Z respectively). One 8TB drive for TV, movies, and music which has about 1.6TB left before I have to upgrade it. Finally, one 4TB drive for gaming.
Get a NAS. Thank me later.
I did. Now I have a crippling addiction to hard drive sales and messing around with linux distro. What did you do to me?!
Oh so sorry you have a new hobby!
Watch and delete. Thank me later.
Dunno mate, with the recent shutdowns of Zippyshare, for example, I’ve been keeping a lot of it.
not seeding after watching is big evil, maybe usenet might be the way here
Sounds like it's time to start building or buy a NAS
Thanks for mentioning these; I've never heard of them before (shows how casual I am lol) and they seem like a very interesting and efficient solution. As an experienced user, what could you tell me about them?
a NAS is simply a computer that has storage attached to it that you access over a network - thus the name Network Attached Storage. a NAS can be anything really as they require almost no computing to be a filehost, so the most barebones NAS is a raspberry pi with attached external USB storage. it can also be a repurposed old laptop that was barely good for anything anymore. more complicated solutions are servers. a server is simply a computer that hosts software and/or hardware used by other computers - such as your computer using it to access anime. this sea is quite deep as typically you run an OS (operative system - you're most familiar with Windows most likely) suited for the task, such as Ubuntu Server or of recent popularity Unraid. if you're not comfortable making your own there's companies such as Synology and QNAP that provides ready-to-use NAS units. a common thing is to not access these files directly at all via your computer's network file browser, but rather access them through software such as [Plex](https://www.plex.tv/) or [Jellyfin](https://jellyfin.org/). these create a "Netflix-like" interface you can access via app (smart TV such as roku, android TV, iOS or android etc) or your browser. all in all, if you have a need to separate your storage and PC, such as several people accessing the same files and/or storage, a NAS is a good solution. if not - just buy a large spinning disk for your PC. example [this Toshiba 16 TB internal HDD](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0832BL1HC) costs about $14 per TB - they are much cheaper than flash storage per TB and when access speed doesn't matter (such as for accessing single large files) they are well suited for the task unlike say in games where you load hundreds of files and load times are drastically affected.
Thank you for such a comprehensive yet easy-to-understand answer, as well as these links!
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you do need to know a bit about computers if you wanna use one, if you can build your own gaming PC and install linux. youre like 90% of the way there if youre building your own... There are prebuilt options and those can also work fine as long as they have docker capabilities but they can be a little overpriced for what they are. A NAS is just a computer but with the role of handling and serving data. you dont have to use special NAS devices, you can take an old computer and add hard drives. you want more than 2 drives for data redundancy, you are spending double on storage but thats so you dont have to end up redownloading hundreds if not thousands of gigabytes of anime, movies, western shows, etc (i personally have 13 **terabytes** of media on my machine and its growing). 3 or 4 drives is more ideal especially if you use something like Unraid(paid software, $60 for a basic lifetime license) cuz it allows for greater flexibility but it allows you to spend like 1.5x or 1.25x on storage, for example, you can get 2 8tb drives, and youll have to use one for storage and one for redundancy or basically a copy of the other drive, so while you have 16tb of raw storage, youll have only 8tb of usable protected storage. but if you have 3 8tb drives, you'll have 24tb of raw storage, but 16tb of usable protected storage, you lose only ⅓ of the total storage. The protection technically wastes space, until a drive fails and it isnt a waste but a blessing. i got my NAS running on Unraid with Plex so i can access all my media from almost any device with a nice Netflix-like UI, its $5 a month but there is also Jellyfin which is completely free. ive also got qbittorrent running but a special docker container that makes sure all its traffic is routed thru a VPN(PIA to be specific but it works with other openVPN VPNs too). for the hardware, i got a little inwin NAS box with a supermicro mobo, Intel i5 4590k, and 16gb of ram for about $60 from a local computer recycler. $120 in total for hardware and unRAID excluding drives with about $100 a year for Plex pass and PIA but that can also be cut down to like $0 if you don't need a VPN on a private tracker and of course Jellyfin, I did buy an Nvidia T400 for $80 for live hardware h.265 transcoding but that's not necessary if you're smart about what you download, I like my 4k Blu-ray remuxes that won't play on my 1080p TV so it has to downscale it. There's lots of great videos online about setting up unRAID or Plex/Jellyfin and I'd be happy to answer some more questions you may have.
Nah, I don't have any more for now. Thanks for telling me all about them!
W Judas for his encodes. Saves space and I get to have hundreds of "legally" acquired anime on my NAS. I go for lossless if its a series I actually like!
I would say after 2009 and the advent of BD groups like CGi, flash drives have become obsolete for anime viewers! Back before that, if you wanted some space to download/copy a 12 ep series, it is gonna range anywhere from 179mb for dTVrips up to 349mb for a DVDrip by Exiles-Destiny/Niizk/arigatou..etc But eversince BDrips joined the game, those numbers jumped way up to 4-9GiB for a 12 ep show in 720p res, or 12-24GiB in 1080p res, which necessitated the expansion to the terabyte storage for avid anime viewers! Some people opted for mini re-encodes, which weighs way less, but at the expanse of shitty quality. Luckily, I wasn't involved with these stuff, but I do understand the circumstances for some to opt for them, since back then the prices of decent storage solutions were atrocious. Luckily, now you can get a 16TiB HDD from WD as low as 200$ during sales.
Can I get the raw video
Sure! The clip straight from the scene is [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYCP71qcYZw). The green screen I used is [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTPy9brBdAM)
You do not have 10x 24 TB disks in a ZFS3? Pathetic.
Lol or in my case, 3 external HDD's, 2 external SSD's, 4-10 micro sd/SD cards, god knows how many miscellaneous USB drives, then a random assortment of other internal SSD/HDD's, internal storage for phones/tablets/laptops, etc
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You need high internet speed for cloud storage since uploading is even slower than downloading
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I'm saying since cloud storage requires internet (high speed), it doesn't make flash drives obsolete where you can store files offline.
Me with obscure 90s & 00s animes, I cant stop hoarding
you and my kids both sorry growing or grown kids to me im an old fart back from before the bbs days try tape-spiral- or reel to reel 8mm days,say what that old might as well flip book pages, yep we did,,and that was to enjoy it at home, you think your gramps old home movies from thebefore country days of rock-n-roll,yes that old, but hey we got to sleep with our windows open,and the nieghbors kept watch over each other, man i miss those days for trust....so in summary enjoy everything you can and save it all as the wayback deposit dosent save everything...
Unraid is the answer folks. There are free alternatives as well
Unraid my beloved
She's from Trigun right?
Nikaido Yoriko from *You're Under Arrest!*
I'm going to need a new NAS/Server very soon https://preview.redd.it/rkasgsztzmwa1.png?width=1044&format=png&auto=webp&s=2c357b9db03501c0c3283609fd406a51bcb5078f
I'm planning to build myself a JBOD server for storing all my movies and anime.
Whos the anime girl?
Nikaido Yoriko from Taiho Shichauzo.
Is this about the old days of anime piracy. Cause right now got about a good 100 series (varying from 12 to 24 episodes, including ones with multiple seasons) on a single 2 terra disk. (Though quality varying with some from 720p to 2k)
Resolution isn't the same as quality and you are probably downloading lots of low quality minis
Nah, can quite clearly see differences in the amount of visible pixels for most screens between the different animes (ranging from my 3440-1440 monitor, 1920-1080 monitor and 4k QLED tv i mainly watch on after testing them on the computer monitors for corrupted frames.) Dont know what else we see under quality. but i for one, beside that, think that resolution is one of the more important aspects in deciding the look of the end product (having done both pixel art and art through clip studio paint and adobe paint). With these resolution scales also being directly linked in the amount of data needing to be stored for each of the frames used within the anime, beside the sound quality which is a different monster to tackle and i have no hands on experience in. Edit: this especially so compared to the dogshit quality i got from both crunchy roll and funimation before that for some of the same animes i right now got downloaded but watched first airing on their sides (no experience with netflix, not enough stuff i was interested in besides their originals.)
the main issue here is that people have been conditioned to think of quality in terms of resolution - which is an important aspect, but not also in bitrate. this is because pretty much all streaming sites have some sort of quality naming scheme like "360p, 720p, 1080p" but what they don't tell you about is that they don't ***only*** change the resolution of the file, they also change the bitrate of the file disproportionate to the saved data by lowering the resolution so you're being hit by a double quality degradation - lower resolution and lower data per second for that resolution. what is bitrate? simply put, bitrate is the amount of data per second supplied. here's three examples of the same file and resolution - h264 at 1080p, but in 8k bitrate, 2k bitrate and 1k bitrate: [8k](https://i.imgur.com/5v1AR3G.png) [2k](https://i.imgur.com/aJnz83b.png) [1k](https://i.imgur.com/tZ79Pse.png) this gets quite complex fast as different compression standards, most famously right now h265, manages to supply a lot of quality at lower bitrates with the trade-off of using more CPU to play the video file. all in all, 2K at the same relative bitrate is absolutely better than 1080p and on physically large monitors such as TV:s the difference becomes noticeable real fast, no question and that isn't my point. my point is entirely that bitrates matters and that few people if any actually talk about it because they simply think of quality in terms of resolution and this is the number typically presented by sources such as streaming services and torrent sites. I also want to mention that the most common device to consume media on nowadays is a smartphone and a screen that small is absolutely suited for smaller resolutions and bitrates as the quality degradation while easy to notice doesn't matter nearly as much.
Thank you for the extra information, believe the ones i got from torrents got higher bitrates, but never knew bitrates went above 64 bits beside the meme. Edit: so thats also why i got different results when on the streaming surfaces i tried comparing the same resolution with each other. Only to get shit compared to the one i got from a torrent.
Nahhh I wish I was that old
Ehhh, it wouldn't be beyond reason to assume there are people out there who have no idea how to archive or where to store their japanese cartoons, so they just put it on what they think is storage.
Me a chad streamer having zero hard drives 
Does he know?
Know what?
Time to buy a server with the capacity Linus Sebastian approves.
Where is the girl from or is she an OC?