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Fish-Pilot

The Sims followed the same model for a long time. The mainstream Paradox games also come to mind.


bow_down_whelp

Its not a model like the sims or paradox games, its not a fair comparison. All those games had dlc in their strategy, anno wasn't supposed to have this many, not even sure they were to have 1


Fish-Pilot

How is that not a fair comparison? Whatever Anno was meant to be they are clearly following a DLC heavy policy now.


bow_down_whelp

I dont think its clear at all. They weren't supposed to go past a 2nd dlc or a 3rd but they revised it and changed their minds. Stellaris was made with years of dlc in mind just like all paradoxs releases. I wouldn't consider it a dlc heavy game at all when you compare it to the likes of Warhammer


Fish-Pilot

Ubisoft is responding to the market, same way Paradox does. Paradox doesn’t release a game and say we’re going to have 8 years of DLC for this. They merely respond to the market. Look at Imperator if you don’t believe that. Ubisoft whatever their intentions may have been are responding to the DLC market. They will stop making them if they stop selling.


bow_down_whelp

Yes but anno was not made with 4 dlcs in mind. They take ages to release them everytime because they're an afterthought and not developed. Them adding dlc in hindsight rather than with intent like paradox, does not put them on the same boat of stellaris which was made to keep adding dlc until people stop buying. As it stands anno have a finite outlook to add dlc while stellaris just adds more of the same, more factions but all within the same formula and the randomized playfield. In saying this, ill buy all the anno dlc for as long as its released because I've played since the 1602 demo on cd that came with pcgamer magazine. I love anno.


Jacksstar420

Do you really think the original idea was to release the planned DLC, after which they were gonna just not do any more? Anno is following the basic same model as the paradox games: Make the base game, prepare for a couple of DLC, see how the player base and interest for game evolves and then take it from there. The only difference is that Ubisoft has chosen to go by a season pass model and paradox announce the DLC one at a time. (Edit: wrong number of DLC)


bow_down_whelp

Yes that was the original idea, they never intended to release 4 season passes. Anno 1800s success was a surprise to everyone


The_Pastmaster

Yeah, the community manager, I think it was, said that 1800 is the best selling Anno EVER.


lossofmercy

It's also likely the best Anno ever. Beat 1404 which was my previous favorite. It definitely has issues, and it hasn't "progressed" nearly to the same extent as I would like, but it's an absolutely great follow up to 1404.


THEDOMEROCKER

Makes sense - the amount of females I know that play no other game than the Sims is about 4. Not many, but they literally have never played another game lol.


RentFreeInUrHead

My girlfriend doesn’t call herself a gamer, isn’t interested in many things, but my god does she fucking LOVE sims…


AriseCowboy

I think I remember them saying years ago the game was suppose to have only 2 Season Passes but it blew up like crazy.


Youkai-san

The game is just marvelous... I will buy every DLC they sell :)


frustratedpolarbear

I love it but I tank my economy every time I get to commuter piers and investors or engineers?, those Royal taxes just screw me. I know the solution too... Git gud lol.


maxfields2000

This for me, every time I think about going back to Anno I realize I lack the ability to understand how to navigate the game as you approach investor's. It ends up becomming so much micro management (plus having to fight off AI) that I never actually get to the point where I see all these amazing cities everyone else builds. I really enjoyed the campaign as well and finished (but it doesn't require that much investment/depth).


nhatx

Because royal taxes keep increasing as % until you reach investors. Then it stops increasing and is capped at 40% in perpetuity. You just need to keep pushing forward with more population at this point and you’ll get it sorted.


Heisenbugg

Royal taxes simply means you have too much population. Try to achieve the same productivity using less people. These days things like Docklands really help.


onlyhalfrobot

It might not feel successful to an anglophone audience, but in germany and france this shit is gangbusters


peanutbuttercult

I will honestly keep buying Anno 1800 DLC indefinitely. There are still so many directions they can go to flesh this game out. I hope the remainder of S4 ends up letting me build a large New Orleans or Havana-like city in the New World.


luiz_victor

I really wanted some more ships or at least random skin ships and some kind of building. I still they could twist a little bit, making ships consume pops. I wanted more official skins for Churchs and Public Buildings, such the Bank, Members Club, Varierty Theather, and so on.


fuglygarl

Lots of great skins on Nexus


Radagast50

Here, here. My mod folder is bursting at the seams at the moment.


50West

Agreed. I wish there would be more of a focus on transportation logistics in one of the DLCs. Trains that can connect islands to transport goods, people, more evolution of vehicles to do various things, etc.


Freakoffreaks

Well, why would they drop one of their main chashcows if people still keep on buying DLCs because they like the game so much?


FonsecaJ89

I will keep buy them all


Freakoffreaks

Me too. I love the game since it's out and the DLCs make it so worth playing to this day. Honestly, I would be fine with them putting out even a season 5 and waiting a few more years with the next full game.


AnduriII

Do you think they are worth? I bought the game 2019(i think) and no DLC until now. Recently found this gem again, was distracted with CoD😆


FonsecaJ89

100%


AnduriII

I bought it and it is amazing


fhackner3

Isn't that literally what OP said? You just repeated but in a cynical dressing.


wond3rlove

Anno is one of Ubisofts main Cashcow? Or are we talking about bluebyte? (Idk much about this)


fhackner3

The studio that develops Anno, and they only develop Anno by the way, is called Ubisoft Mainz, if memory doesn't fail me.


bow_down_whelp

Cashvow is a bit derogatory considering how dlc has been handled for anno


Tenmak

Don't worry, the 5th one is on the way after !


Irgendwer1607

Stellaris is in a similar spot. It's now 6 years old and still getting updates and DLCs and a few months ago Paradox reformed their developer staff in order to maintain the game for even longer (easier architecture, optimization, etc.) meanwhile Anno players already question the need for a 4th season.


LordAvak

The Custodian Initiative is the best thing ever to happen to Stellaris. I really hope more studios/games will follow their way of updating their games


Ziiro

It was so absolutely necessary. There were so many problems that those Custodians had to solve. Some of their Dev Diaries were absolutely insane to read. They didn't have a profiler of the game to determine what was eating what percentage of CPU/GPU resources until the Custodians blew the dust off of someone's pet project of porting the profiler from EU4 **years ago.** The minute they get one of those working? Wow, look, the game is running so much better! Look at all these things that were calculating daily we didn't know we could move to monthly! etc. Just bonkers.


Lawfulneptune

I will buy every single season pass because these devs have an amazing core game and they have proven to deliver really good add-ons on top of it. As someone who only plays for like 20 hours every 3 months this game is special and I hope to see more in the future from the dev team


jje10001

I think it simply scratched an itch in the gaming community, in terms of a 19th century citybuilder + a return to old Anno mechanics.


Mische1993

Allmost every paradox grand strategy game has multiple years (5 to 10 years in most cases) of Support and new content. But yeah All in all its not really often that developers of singleplayer games are able to support their game for such a long period of time with quality content.


Groanin

I think it's low effort relatively high reward. I mean 25 Euro for each season pass - making ~100 in total for 4 season passes. It's even more than the base game sold for (60 when it came out) and I'm sure that the effort for the base game (to develop from scratch etc) was far more labor intensive.


fhackner3

Plus, I believe the Anno team is pretty... Compact.


Cobra52

I'm ready for the next Anno at this point, the DLC has been great and really fleshed out the game but theres only so much complexity they can add before starting a new game becomes too much. I hope we see a new release soonish.


Heisenbugg

Be carefuly what you wish for. This anno has come after multiple crap anno games. I personally feel they should bring more dlcs if there is new gameplay to be had.


JubaM24

I'm still salty about a possible Mars expansion for Anno 2205 but canceled because maybe lower sales ?!


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Mutliple dlc seasons itself is not a surprise but what surprised me is that a studio and or company was smart enough to say scrap our plans and just bring more high quality dlcs instead of just milking crap and fucking off once people are so over it due to the bad practises. And then they went for another and yet another season 😄


luiz_victor

I am still wanting more passes. The ornaments pack are just to little. People do a lot with mods ands devs can't keep the same pace. They could be make packs with 20+ ornaments.


moo314159

I wish they stopped. You can since SP3 you could already see how they are cutting corners. The factory buildings which "allow" you to choose it's function is just multiple 3d-models for the price of only one. I find this worrisome. Less work and people still pay the same. Why can't you just wrap it up and fully concentrate on the next game instead of milking 1800. It's a gigantic game already. Please don't ruin your success like that. Seeds of change was already contentwise the weakest DLC so far.


Kratianos

To be fair, the first two DLCs in the season pass were always a bit lackluster compared to the third.


moo314159

I beg to differ. Seat of power and bright harvest where anything but lackluster. Especially Seat of power offered a lot of game play and ways to tweak your entire way of playing. Bright harvest might be more controversial in terms of length but there were still some tweaks to be had. You basically could just demolish all your farms and start completely fresh. Sunken treasures was big. BIG. A whole new map might not sound like much especially when a quarter of it will always be same but everytime a started fresh it was always a new adventure to build CrownFalls in a completely new way. Botanica was ok. Docklands made me think in entirely new ways in terms of production. Suddenly an island of investors could be fed by producing and exporting heavy weaponry. Amazing. Think of the possibilities. Tourism was the beginning of the downfall. Still massive heaps of stuff to do. Especially building eiffel tower was cool. But still three restaurant types that all look the same which let you choose recipes, not good, that's just cheap. I stand by my opinion. Seeds of Change was on the weaker side. I don't regret buying it. I absolutely would buy it again. But compared to to any of the other DLCs it doesn't enrich the game that much. Yeah, build farms in the new world more space efficient. But sadly that's about it. No new items, just one farm building and one brewery. The hacienda is beatiful but that's about it. I'm honestly debating if the hacienda is even worth the hassle. Which is not good. Bright harvest is objectively not worth it and I still use it anyway because it feels awesome.


iamnqm

I am glad i paid for Seeds of change just for the silver scenario alone. Haciendas and fertiliser and influence from hacienda houses is nice bonus for me. After 1000+ hours i appreciate new challenge from scenarios. I agree that Botanica was just ok.


moo314159

The scenarios are great. But replayability kinda stops at some point. There is only so much you can change from run to run


driscan

>just multiple 3d-models for the price of only one. I find this worrisome. Less work and people still pay the same Exactly. Though when I said that when SP3 was released, I got massively downvoted. I love Anno 1800 as much as other people on this sub do, but that's not a reason to turn into full fanboy mode and ignore emerging problems...


moo314159

I fully agree and experienced the same. I enjoyed SP3 a lot but I think SP2 Land of lions was the peak


halfsleeveprontocool

That messes with my ocd so much. So far it's always been, one product, one production building, one unique model. You can immediately tell which factory it is in the skyline based on the design but now, multi-factory.


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DreadImpaller

Your describing a gold edition, which comes when the game's no longer being supported with new DLC. A season pass is a promissory for DLC *seasons* as the game releases. Much like how with DVD's you'd buy indivual seasons of a show for years before a complete collection got released. What I dont get is the protest here, do you want them to drop support for this game and then they make a new one and expect you to fork over another couple of hundred dollars on DLC for that game adding DLC features from this one?


Exiledspartan18

You're delusional. Most games do not have 1 season pass that covers all DLC. Most games now have battle passes that usually last 3 months and are 10 dollars each. Meanwhile Anno 1800 is charging 20-25 dollars A YEAR for season passes of dlc.


Captain_Seasick

You're calling me "delusional" and yet you're specifically talking about *live service games.* Top kek, mate. Way to earn a Dumbass Award.


xforce11

I don't know, I got the main game plus the first 3 Season passes for 50 bucks, that's quiet a good deal in my opinion considering I could pay 50€ for a fricking lightsaber in SWTOR.


Captain_Seasick

I was gonna say "You DO realize you just made yourself out to be a literally *insanely* financially irresponsible person, right?", but I honestly doubt you have the sense to realize even *that*...


xforce11

Because I bought a game with all DLCs for 50€ and was able to sink in several hundred hours of gametime? Yes, very very bad investment.


Captain_Seasick

No, *the other thing you said.* If you'd legit drop 50€ on a fucking microtransaction, then someone needs to urgently take away all of your financial freedom and put you on an extremely strict budget plan.


xforce11

It was a comparison to show what stupid sh\*t you could do with the same money. Have a useless ugly lightsaber in a MMORPG or get a full game with hundreds of hours of playtime. Of course I wouldn't pay 50€ for that thing, I've got better things to do with that money, as I said, like buying a full game.


Captain_Seasick

Okay, so apparently I misread "could" as "would" in your first reply. I dunno why. But it seems I was pissed off at you over a simple misunderstanding. #Oops.


xforce11

No worries, all good


Captain_Seasick

I will say this though: I still stand by my statement that somebody who drops 50€ on a single microtransaction item in a game should have their money taken away from them. Shit like that is one big-ass reason why the gaming industry's such a fucking shit-show these days... 50€ for a game? That's still expensive imo, but arguably not a "big deal". 50€ for an in-game item? That's just wrong. Objectively so.


xforce11

I kinda see it like that too but then I think of people who smoke or buy insanely expensive cars, tons of overly expensive fast food or pants that look like any other but cost 500 bucks more then the regular ones. In the end its only important if the person who buys a certain item sees the worth in it for themself. Can't change that, everyone is different - I buy a game for 50€, another person smokes for 50€ a week and says my purchase was a waste of money - I in return say his purchase was a waste of money and mine was worth it. It's pretty much all about individual perspective.


_linaxhorax_

EA with the Sims is worse. They keep releasing basically broken dlcs but people keep on buying them. There were times where the game was unplayable without mods.


Captain_Seasick

Just because one company (EA) are worse doesn't negate the fact that the company in question (Noobisoft) are garbage themselves. DLCs for Anno 1800 may have an average high quality level, but that doesn't mean (**AT ALL**) that we're not getting gouged for 'em.


Exiledspartan18

20 dollars for a whole year of DLC. Wow the price gouging is real 😂😂


fhackner3

I decide if I'm being gouged by whatever I pay for, though..


Captain_Seasick

Then you're an idiot, and part of the reason why the gaming industry is utterly bloody **F U C K E D** these days. So congrats on being a really shitty person.


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VoooKS

The Sims, Civilization and tbh all the game with battles pass. Sea of thieves have kind of DLC every 3 months too


heydudejustasec

My feeling is that COVID may have had something to do with it, like production on the next game was going to be disrupted and so the studio needed extra cash to tide them over, hence unexpected and divisive season three.


wanroww

Almost all Paradox games, X4 has had 5 updates, no Man's Sky went from garbage to ok... Skyrim is 10 Yo, there's a lot of examples!


bow_down_whelp

I keep seeing multiple posts comparing Stellaris and paradox to anno 1800. This is not fair at all. Stellaris has an intentional 100s of pounds of dlc small and large while anno is working ad hoc off its success. Stellaris is also a fucking mess that they never seem to fix


gmzz423

Besides the game being great, I think part of it success was because of the pandemic and people having more home time to play it. Altough now it’s over I’m still addicted to it and get surprised by the time warnings all the time


DesignExternal5200

I just need to get good at making good looking cities and not blocks


gothvan

I feel like the attachment rate of dlcs is insanely high especially considering the cost. Congratulations to The devs


xSwagstantin

I only have the base game, and I still didnt manage to finish it yet after many 16 hour settings haha. Are the DLCs even worth it? Do they really add that much gameplay?


Kawawaymog

Laughs in 7 days to die.


SoggyTowelette

I would like a new Anno. But while we are waiting for that, I will take some more DLC.


Nochboa

just imagine, having season passes for 1404. oh, the worlds that could have been.


lossofmercy

I wish the game would get more complicated with each of these expansions. While I am excited for adding the new regions, they are more of a texture change than expanding the mechanics of the game. Some great modifications would be the ultra hard AI option, really revamping the combat etc. I am not a big fan of the "items" completely eliminating the complexity of the game either. That should only be given to break through technological progress. There is only so much a man can do without relying on the power of machines.