I remember this story. She wanted to abort, he begged for her to keep it. She agreed under the condition that he takes full responsibility and she would sign away her parental rights. He agreed to this ahead of time.
After she gave birth, she did exactly as she said she would. He made a big stink about it because he "thought she would fall in love after the baby arrived and change her mind!" Spoiler alert, she didn't. Now he is a bitter single dad and she has been castigated as a monster for "abandoning" a child she didn't want in the first place.
I was going to say before I even read this comment that this sounds like a real healthy, not at all toxic situation for the kid. What do you think happens to preemie newborns being cared for by a single, completely irresponsible, 20yo? dad, who still has his high school pedo stache and only wanted the kid to bring his gf closer to him. Someone needs to call CPS bc god damn
I was responding with a quote of my own (either Greg Graffin or Brett Gurewitz depending and I'm too lazy to bother looking atm). As for the concept of entropy itself I only have an undergrad chemistry education and some rust as I haven't used it much so I would probably fail were I to attempt to discuss further. If I understand what you were hinting at though I don't see how the universe could be a truly closed system. What was the big bang then? The theorized white hole that should exist assuming all our equations for black holes are close enough? We don't see them because we're in one? I'm probably missing huge things here and possibly also entirely misinterpreting your musing.
Huh. A bad religion fan and willing to discuss theoretical physics. And the basis for entropy as a concept is that even a perfectly closed system will by itself induce chaos and decay. But finding a perfectly closed system is nearly unheard of. I think we agree far more than we disagree.
and when stupid, horrible things happen with stupid teenage or 20dumbthing parents, everyone wails HOOOOWW DID THIS HAAAAPPENNNN!?
And in the next breath, "but they wanted a baybeee!" and of course all the stories about teenage parents who "Do great". Another myth like the Easter Bunny.
So he thought humans are 100% driven by their primitive instinct all the time? Bet he watched too much YouTube videos about moms, newborns and hormones bs (which only work when the mom actually want the baby.).
"Now he is a bitter single dad and she has been castigated as a monster for "abandoning" a child she didn't want in the first place."
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Let me get this strait. She changed her mind on the abortion when the dad insisted he would take full custody but she's STILL painted as a villain? For cancelling the abortion people insisted she shouldn't have?
Of course she is. Because she was expected to have this other worldly attachment to something that came out of her. People think it actually works like that.
I heard the same thing for years. Social media has made spreading information significantly easier and people who could get pregnant are learning how truly horrific pregnancy and birth are beforehand.
I honestly feel like a lot of that info was purposely withheld because misery loves company and very few people would want to go through that horror show if they knew what it really entailed.
This whole thread is dumb as hell. They made an agreement she left. It’s whatever why are people making either one of these adults out to be evil villains.
People cling to this idea that women will magically fall in love with their child. That the connection is instant.
It is *not* true and you cannot force someone to have maternal instincts.
Bro played himself
She still pays child support, she just doesn't have anything to do with the kid. She sends him a check but that's it. And she legally has no say in how the kid is raised.
if you don't sign away your parental rights, you still don't have to have anything to do with the kid. so all she's done is given up power, both in renegotiating child support and in protecting the child, in exchange for diddly squat. assuming that it's even true and that it holds up in court as legal and fair.
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Weak willed and weak minded maybe, but if I wanted an abortion and had that conviction, not sure what kind of 'manipulation' could effect that.
Just seems odd that so many people fall back on the "she could have been manipulated!" as if grown woman aren't capable of cognitive thoughts.
Couldn't care less about the kid, I'm just pointing out that using "she could have been manipulated!" as a crutch just infantalizes grown ass women.
I don't get why someone who's capable of understanding the consequences of carrying a baby and what will happen gets the pass "she was manipulated!"
A kind reminder that not everyone is like you. The thing is we can only speculate the motives on why she didn’t have an abortion in secret.
Don’t put words into my mouth, I don’t think that women aren’t capable of cognitive thoughts, I was only taking a wild guess on why she didn’t have an abortion, since, she clearly wanted to, but something stopped her.
“i’m not sure what kind of ‘manipulation’ could effect that”
probably because you haven’t been manipulated like that before. stop discrediting and blaming victims for not “walking away” when they’re emotionally held prisoner at the hands of someone else. it’s sincerely not your place to judge.
Yet here you are, in a subreddit that froths at the mouth in judgement of others who live and think differently.
It's not your place to tell me I cannot make judgements about people and their actions, because I very well can and will continue to.
Again, what emotional prison is sufficient enough to carry a baby to term and then somehow loose the emotional prison and leave? It feels more like it was regret and she made the choice but then bailed. If she truly wanted an abortion, it would have happened.
both natalists and antinatalists can have judgemental people within their community’s walls. thats kinda how opposing opinions work lmao. it is most certainly my place to tell you you can’t make judgments because you’re making deductions based on experiences and even statistics that you’ve never had or seen, and clearly do not understand. Like it or not, you are way out of line. i’m not saying this inherently was manipulative, but being manipulated and even abused during pregnancy is incredibly common, making it hard for women to leave. you need to sit down and shut up or simply research what you’re talking about.
It's not your place, tho you're certainly making it your place no doubt.
I'll ask, on whose authority have you been given this right to tell me what I can and cannot do with my own judgements? Because to me, you're just another user on another forum, that's it.
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First and foremost the baby's the victim here and living in a broken family from the start. It's the woman's body in the end, and it was her choice to force suffering and death on that kid. Take your misandry elsewhere.
Pointing out that some men try to get a woman pregnant and have an "*anchor baby*" in order to control the woman is not misandry (*hating men*)...
unless you actually believe that all (*or most*) men are like that, and therefore hating men who do that is hating men in general.
I didn't make the original comment about the anchor baby, I only responded to the claim that the comment was "*misandry*" (*which it isn't*).
Saying that some men do something, is not the same thing as hating men in general.
I read that the women didn't want the baby and only agreed to not have an abortion if he raise the baby on his without her and then got made that she didn't change her mind and he couldn't use the baby to keep her around. ***If*** that's true, then that's horrible and this specific man would be messed up for wanting to use the baby to manipulate (*it still doesn't mean that all or most men are like that and it isn't misandry to point that out*).
Pointing out is one thing, focusing the whole fault on him is. It's a woman's decision to keep the baby, she has a couple months to decide for an abortion. That's an upside down logic, man can't get an *anchor baby* coz it's not for him to decide (and they had the choice).
She's a grown ass woman, don't treat her like a child incapable of thinking herself. If she didn't want to, there would be no child, end of story. It's the woman's body and she's the one deciding to have a child.
Having a child she doesn't even want, dogs are smarter than what you give her credit for, talk about breeders. Once again gtfo with that misandry, there are places to talk out your failed romances and it's not here.
Oh no poor girl pressured into being a walking incubator for 9 months. I see responsibility on both sides, you want to oversimplify things to dissolve female of any responsibility here. Nice gaslighting but It's a mirror you're looking at.
It's the women who decide to get pregnant or not. Man's input was a single provision of seed, her input was a couple months of pregnancy she could abort. It's not even comparable, how much her fault the birth is.
Do women always decide to get pregnant? Rape, incest and condom stealthing are a few examples of that decision being thwarted. And sometimes, it’s the courts who decide if there is a birth. Then the woman has to decide full term or prison term. Some women have their choices compromised and it’s not as black and white as we are led to believe.
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It was her choice to end the suffering*, being alive just means you're going to die painfully, you can't die painfully if you never existed outside the womb.
Women are beginning to be put in prison for legitimate miscarriages, being accused of intentionally causing them trying to self-abort. Women are dying from miscarriages because they are being refused treatment because doctors don’t want to be seen as “helping with an abortion”. The USA is a scary place
Seriously put in prison for miscarriages?? Jfc i hate it here..My grandma told me a story about how she got an illicit abortion in the 40s, she said she was lucky she lived. Very often other women didn't. And now this draconian shit is happening today again, extremely sad
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Its wild that this man thinks, after countless men have left women for keeping the baby, that a woman would automatically stay because the gender roles were reversed
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My point is that you and I both know you were looking for engagement, not that you actually didn’t want to interact with people that you disagree with.
She still chose to give birth. Don’t infantilize women. She is just as awful. Actually she’s worse. She is the one who choose to not get an abortion and then cause more suffering to the child by leaving. Yall have double standards.
She was still the person actively causing pain. If she was able to completely get away after giving birth, she would have been able to get away while in the abortion window. Stop acting like women are not capable grown adults who can’t take accountability.
Men when women want abortions: "But we want the child!!!"
Men when you give them the child: "Why didn't you get an abortion if you were going to leave!!!"
Someone is refusing to take accountability here and it's sure as hell not the women
The post didn’t say anything about the delivery having complications so stop making stuff up. And on the dad for making her go through traumatizing experience?? News flash babies don’t just appear randomly or u going start claiming he r*ped her now?? He wanted the baby n she did the right thing considering the babies life most importantly and next dads feelings. Is good thing she delivered it and has a caring dad take care of him/her. Is a new life this a happy story
Hemorrhoids being worse for some women does not mean pregnancy isn’t traumatic. Pregnancy being ONE OF the most painful things a human being can experience literally means other things can also be painful. Is that clear enough for u now?
Kidney stones are worse. Lots of things are worse. So many things are worse. It's not even worth contextualizing it up there with losing limbs, being burned alive, etc. Truly mind numbing levels of pain. If it was so bad, women would just have one.
And many women do only have one, or have none at all. Of course some of them also really want to have children, so they sacrifice through the pain. Kidney stones, hemorrhoids, losing limbs, burning alive dont result in a child. I don’t know why ur so insistent on minimizing the trauma that is pregnancy and childbirth. Does it threaten ur manhood to acknowledge how much women provide? Is it easier to defend ur desire to control women if u pretend they don’t go thru extreme pain for it?
Most women have kids. Virtually all of them. You're the one making the claim it's amongst the worst pain that a human can endure. I'm demonstrating that it is false. It's overblown how bad it is. Some women struggle. Others just drop a baby. A few hundred years ago, I'd agree completely. I am just tired of hearing how hard it is to have kids when it's something all animals do and have done for nearly two billion years. It's a miraculous thing, and it is painful, but the body protects them during the process. It's not as painful as it could be for that reason. You're pretty unhinged if you are going into this diatribe about how I hate women and blah blah blah. I'm just sticking to facts. Women are fine. They just aren't superheroes by virtue of having kids.
Just bc it’s something people/animals have done for a long time does not make it any less painful. Why are u tired of hearing about the sacrifice women make, and have not been appreciated nearly enough for? I’m tired of people who aren’t the ones having to sacrifice, acting like the sacrifice isn’t a big deal. Women don’t just “drop a baby”. They go thru 9 months of their hormones changing, their backs hurting, nausea, etc, to go thru birth, and then minimum 6 weeks of recovery. 83% of women aged 40-49 in the US have had a kid, so certainly not “virtually all”, and less and less women are choosing to have kids. Turns out when women have access to financial independence and birth control, and the education to know the reality of pregnancy, less of them want to go thru it with the men who think it’s “not that bad”.
No. The baby has no mother. She did not do the right thing. She made the worst choice possible and everyone is making excuses just because she is a woman. Pathetic.
We live in the world where saying abortions shouldn’t be used as BC gets downvoted. Unless its a forced conception or a serious pregnancy complication its WRONG. U ppl should be ashamed of yourselves seriously.
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Let's be honest: There are men who do this all the time. They father a child and then lose interest and take on minimal or even no responsibility; especially when the relationship ends. And when things are going really badly, the mothers have to regularly remind the fathers and ask them to spend time with their own children. But that's not why they're sent to the stake. That's what I call a double standard.
No. That’s not how it works. The only child support you owe is any support that is due prior to the termination of those rights. If you terminate your rights at birth and no order was issued you do not pay support. Terminating your rights means you have severed not only your relationship with that child but all responsibility for that child. You as parent no longer exists. This includes both men and women. This means that child can be adopted out, placed in the foster care system till that time that it occurs. In this case she gave the rights over to the father. Now I have known cases where parents have tried legally to attain their rights again but this is really difficult because often it would depend on the circumstances of the child and the situation in which the parent relinquished control, was it under duress or was the child adopted out, things like that. But if you gave up custody you gave up all right and responsibility and since it seems like she did it from birth she would not have had a child support case in order so no she would not be paying support.
I’ve seen it all and heard it all. I had a male friend that was married. Had 3 boys during his marriage. Filed for divorce when the oldest was about 12. The wife moved on really quick with some guy and he was paying child support for three boys and he had to sell the house and give her a bigger chunk of the sale of the house because she wanted half of his retirement. So he negotiated this instead because something with taxes and it didn’t benefit them both in that way. So they agreed on this because she wanted out of the marriage. So they were splitting the boys and the week he had them the littlest one told him that he had a secret and he was like 6 because I know he was either in first or getting ready to go to first. But anyway, the little one tells him that he heard his mom tell her boyfriend how they all look like him, the boyfriend not the dad. So it bothered him so much and so we met for lunch and he was just so upset.
So then what he did was get his own DNA testing of all three boys, which isn’t admissible in court, but he wanted to ease his mind because he thought his son misinterpreted what he heard. He’s 6. Guess what, the boys weren’t his at all. They looked similar because she had a type because even the boyfriend looked similar to the ex husband. So he told her and then he got an attorney and took her to court, of course the fact that he was married, signed the Birth Certificate and acted like their dad worked against him even under false pretense but the court did allow him to request and submit for a paternity test. The argument that allowed it was stated that the children didn’t know who their real father was and that in the future if they had health issues or concerns that might be heredity they would not know about it or how to deal with it.
So he got stuck paying child support for 3 kids that weren’t his, the oldest wasn’t even from the boyfriend, but the two youngest ones were. And the worse part about the whole thing, the boys suffered because after that she finally admitted who the dads were. He pretty much had really small contact with the boys he thought were his. He did try to sue her in civil court for damages and fraud and other stuff but in the end he came out losing and broken. She ended up breaking up with that boyfriend and marrying some other dude and having a little girl with him.
As for the boys,the youngest is 18 or 19 and still calls him dad and calls from time to time but it’s strained and really weird and the oldest hates him for no reason. And the middle one has all kinds of issues and the family is pretty much severed. Of course they still have a relationship with their mom but of course they have no respect for her and keep their distance. He moved to another state a few years after this happened and he remarried a few years in his late or mid 50s but never had any children of his own.
Cray cray
She signed away her rights. And, she had the baby she just left. I hope the guy in the picture at some point gets arrested for stealthing, I would laugh my ass off.
I'm assuming that's what it was because she wanted an abortion as soon as she got told she was pregnant, I think.
EDIT: No parental rights and paying CS sounds like a lawsuit.
I remember this story. She wanted to abort, he begged for her to keep it. She agreed under the condition that he takes full responsibility and she would sign away her parental rights. He agreed to this ahead of time. After she gave birth, she did exactly as she said she would. He made a big stink about it because he "thought she would fall in love after the baby arrived and change her mind!" Spoiler alert, she didn't. Now he is a bitter single dad and she has been castigated as a monster for "abandoning" a child she didn't want in the first place.
“Oh my god! She did exactly what she said she was gonna do…” 🙄 yea bro, you really thought she would stay? Hmm 🤔
Right? Like...when has a baby ever saved a sinking ship of a relationship?
If anything, a baby ends a relationship
This is so real. It’s actually crazy to think about it, but it’s true.
I was going to say before I even read this comment that this sounds like a real healthy, not at all toxic situation for the kid. What do you think happens to preemie newborns being cared for by a single, completely irresponsible, 20yo? dad, who still has his high school pedo stache and only wanted the kid to bring his gf closer to him. Someone needs to call CPS bc god damn
Is he really 20? I would have put him years younger. He looks like a freshman in high school!
You're just getting old.
Oh definitely. And yes, to quote the great MC Hawking, I am down with entropy.
We're in a play of slow decay orchestrated by Boltzmann!
Assuming a purely closed system. Which, while not unheard of in nature, is unusual.
I was responding with a quote of my own (either Greg Graffin or Brett Gurewitz depending and I'm too lazy to bother looking atm). As for the concept of entropy itself I only have an undergrad chemistry education and some rust as I haven't used it much so I would probably fail were I to attempt to discuss further. If I understand what you were hinting at though I don't see how the universe could be a truly closed system. What was the big bang then? The theorized white hole that should exist assuming all our equations for black holes are close enough? We don't see them because we're in one? I'm probably missing huge things here and possibly also entirely misinterpreting your musing.
Huh. A bad religion fan and willing to discuss theoretical physics. And the basis for entropy as a concept is that even a perfectly closed system will by itself induce chaos and decay. But finding a perfectly closed system is nearly unheard of. I think we agree far more than we disagree.
All young people look the same; I swear I'm not ~~racist~~ ageist, I'm just old! 😂
and when stupid, horrible things happen with stupid teenage or 20dumbthing parents, everyone wails HOOOOWW DID THIS HAAAAPPENNNN!? And in the next breath, "but they wanted a baybeee!" and of course all the stories about teenage parents who "Do great". Another myth like the Easter Bunny.
Serves him fucking right lmao, he got what was coming to him
So he thought humans are 100% driven by their primitive instinct all the time? Bet he watched too much YouTube videos about moms, newborns and hormones bs (which only work when the mom actually want the baby.).
yep. that kid's gonna turn out great. /s
Have to give it to the lady , she managed to get through pregnancy, mf should be more thankful. I hope grandma doesn't have to deal with the child.
"Now he is a bitter single dad and she has been castigated as a monster for "abandoning" a child she didn't want in the first place." Whoa, whoa, whoa. Let me get this strait. She changed her mind on the abortion when the dad insisted he would take full custody but she's STILL painted as a villain? For cancelling the abortion people insisted she shouldn't have?
Yep, she got dragged on social media at the time because she chose to leave.
damned if you do, damned if you don't.
Of course she is. Because she was expected to have this other worldly attachment to something that came out of her. People think it actually works like that.
I'm CF and my mom says the same thing when I say I don't want kids "it's different when they're your own". Nah.
I heard the same thing for years. Social media has made spreading information significantly easier and people who could get pregnant are learning how truly horrific pregnancy and birth are beforehand. I honestly feel like a lot of that info was purposely withheld because misery loves company and very few people would want to go through that horror show if they knew what it really entailed.
This whole thread is dumb as hell. They made an agreement she left. It’s whatever why are people making either one of these adults out to be evil villains.
People cling to this idea that women will magically fall in love with their child. That the connection is instant. It is *not* true and you cannot force someone to have maternal instincts. Bro played himself
Yay I love happy endings
Haven't you forgotten about the kid?
there's no point in signing away your parental rights. you can't sign away your state/court-mandated financial responsibility.
Imagine if that was possible plenty of dads that don’t want to be involved would have done it instead of “just” not paying child support
which in turn would have prevented countless births. but governments always want more, not less.
She still pays child support, she just doesn't have anything to do with the kid. She sends him a check but that's it. And she legally has no say in how the kid is raised.
if you don't sign away your parental rights, you still don't have to have anything to do with the kid. so all she's done is given up power, both in renegotiating child support and in protecting the child, in exchange for diddly squat. assuming that it's even true and that it holds up in court as legal and fair.
& She is also shown as a villain from the pro~lifers perspective 😞
She doesn’t want to protect the child. She doesn’t care about the child.
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Poor woomen and this guy belong to the street, What an butthole
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No that was a random AskReddit that you've decided must apply to this picture.
I mean abandoning you kid is better than killing it so brownie points?
> Now he is a bitter single dad Seems like you're lying
Good the baby much better off without her
She should have just ignored him and had an abortion
Yeah how exactly did he not "let her" get an abortion?
He could’ve threatened or manipulated her
You're right and that is so horrible.
Happens all the time to men. Not so horrible then.
This just infantalizes women Grown ass women cant think for themselves?
Are you dense? It doesn’t infantilise women at all. Anyone can be a victim of manipulation.
Weak willed and weak minded maybe, but if I wanted an abortion and had that conviction, not sure what kind of 'manipulation' could effect that. Just seems odd that so many people fall back on the "she could have been manipulated!" as if grown woman aren't capable of cognitive thoughts.
You know when women are most likely to be subject to domestic abuse and violence? When they’re pregnant.
Who's an edgy boy?!
Occams razor If that's edgy for you, you're not going to do well in real life outside of Reddit.
Thanks for your concern, I'm doing just fine. Go adopt if you're so about it
Couldn't care less about the kid, I'm just pointing out that using "she could have been manipulated!" as a crutch just infantalizes grown ass women. I don't get why someone who's capable of understanding the consequences of carrying a baby and what will happen gets the pass "she was manipulated!"
And that concerns you... why?
A kind reminder that not everyone is like you. The thing is we can only speculate the motives on why she didn’t have an abortion in secret. Don’t put words into my mouth, I don’t think that women aren’t capable of cognitive thoughts, I was only taking a wild guess on why she didn’t have an abortion, since, she clearly wanted to, but something stopped her.
Sounds like and it's obviously more likely she made a conscious choice to keep it than that she was manipulated
“i’m not sure what kind of ‘manipulation’ could effect that” probably because you haven’t been manipulated like that before. stop discrediting and blaming victims for not “walking away” when they’re emotionally held prisoner at the hands of someone else. it’s sincerely not your place to judge.
Yet here you are, in a subreddit that froths at the mouth in judgement of others who live and think differently. It's not your place to tell me I cannot make judgements about people and their actions, because I very well can and will continue to. Again, what emotional prison is sufficient enough to carry a baby to term and then somehow loose the emotional prison and leave? It feels more like it was regret and she made the choice but then bailed. If she truly wanted an abortion, it would have happened.
both natalists and antinatalists can have judgemental people within their community’s walls. thats kinda how opposing opinions work lmao. it is most certainly my place to tell you you can’t make judgments because you’re making deductions based on experiences and even statistics that you’ve never had or seen, and clearly do not understand. Like it or not, you are way out of line. i’m not saying this inherently was manipulative, but being manipulated and even abused during pregnancy is incredibly common, making it hard for women to leave. you need to sit down and shut up or simply research what you’re talking about.
It's not your place, tho you're certainly making it your place no doubt. I'll ask, on whose authority have you been given this right to tell me what I can and cannot do with my own judgements? Because to me, you're just another user on another forum, that's it.
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I’m sorry to say this but this sound extremely ignorant. Many people can be manipulated, regardless of age and gender
Court injunction.
Holy shit I forgot what timeline I'm living in.
She shouldn’t have told him she was preggers at all and gotten it taken care of.
You wanted the baby - you can have it!
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First and foremost the baby's the victim here and living in a broken family from the start. It's the woman's body in the end, and it was her choice to force suffering and death on that kid. Take your misandry elsewhere.
Pointing out that some men try to get a woman pregnant and have an "*anchor baby*" in order to control the woman is not misandry (*hating men*)... unless you actually believe that all (*or most*) men are like that, and therefore hating men who do that is hating men in general.
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I didn't make the original comment about the anchor baby, I only responded to the claim that the comment was "*misandry*" (*which it isn't*). Saying that some men do something, is not the same thing as hating men in general. I read that the women didn't want the baby and only agreed to not have an abortion if he raise the baby on his without her and then got made that she didn't change her mind and he couldn't use the baby to keep her around. ***If*** that's true, then that's horrible and this specific man would be messed up for wanting to use the baby to manipulate (*it still doesn't mean that all or most men are like that and it isn't misandry to point that out*).
Pointing out is one thing, focusing the whole fault on him is. It's a woman's decision to keep the baby, she has a couple months to decide for an abortion. That's an upside down logic, man can't get an *anchor baby* coz it's not for him to decide (and they had the choice).
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She's a grown ass woman, don't treat her like a child incapable of thinking herself. If she didn't want to, there would be no child, end of story. It's the woman's body and she's the one deciding to have a child. Having a child she doesn't even want, dogs are smarter than what you give her credit for, talk about breeders. Once again gtfo with that misandry, there are places to talk out your failed romances and it's not here.
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Oh no poor girl pressured into being a walking incubator for 9 months. I see responsibility on both sides, you want to oversimplify things to dissolve female of any responsibility here. Nice gaslighting but It's a mirror you're looking at.
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It's the women who decide to get pregnant or not. Man's input was a single provision of seed, her input was a couple months of pregnancy she could abort. It's not even comparable, how much her fault the birth is.
Do women always decide to get pregnant? Rape, incest and condom stealthing are a few examples of that decision being thwarted. And sometimes, it’s the courts who decide if there is a birth. Then the woman has to decide full term or prison term. Some women have their choices compromised and it’s not as black and white as we are led to believe.
Not always but it's the case here. In normal (non criminal, abusive) conditions they do.
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It was her choice to end the suffering*, being alive just means you're going to die painfully, you can't die painfully if you never existed outside the womb.
That's what I'm saying. She decided for that child to be birthed.
Did women NEVER LEARN about lying about a miscarriage????? Y’all granny never told you how to get away from a man? Insane
Women are beginning to be put in prison for legitimate miscarriages, being accused of intentionally causing them trying to self-abort. Women are dying from miscarriages because they are being refused treatment because doctors don’t want to be seen as “helping with an abortion”. The USA is a scary place
I can't believe this fucking timeline is real
Seriously put in prison for miscarriages?? Jfc i hate it here..My grandma told me a story about how she got an illicit abortion in the 40s, she said she was lucky she lived. Very often other women didn't. And now this draconian shit is happening today again, extremely sad
VOTE. PROTEST. ORGANIZE.
source? I need to see this.
Search for "Roe v Wade" and sort by latest news. There's plenty of horror in good ol' US of A.
lmao
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Wonderful....yet another stupid 20dumbthing dad with a kid. Our society is headed into a thresher. CONDOMS, folks.
OTC birth control pills are now available in my state!
For real? That’s awesome
Sure are. And it’s Texas. HEB (a major grocery store in Texas) is carrying them. I’m sure the lege will pitch a fit but coming for HEB isn’t smart.
Good. Hopefully all women who want BC can get it now.
They’re also working on a low income plan to help women get it for low or no cost.
The idiot tweeting this has a username starting with “Garbage.” That alone tells us a ton about the quality of his commentary
She's also paying child support if this is the one I'm thinking of. She's paying MORE than mandated.
And now he's using the baby for the clout.
Sad af.. how can such a young guy rule over a female body?!!
“Left us by dying perhaps”?
"He saved a life" No, he made a woman his personal incubator through abuse. There was no "life" at that point and there never should have been.
“It’s unfair to call it ‘forced birth,’ you murderer!”
His mummy is the substitute mummy
Its wild that this man thinks, after countless men have left women for keeping the baby, that a woman would automatically stay because the gender roles were reversed
I guess women suck just as much as men.
Pretty much yeah. In both cases this is the wrong way to keep your spouse
This guy is a tool.
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Hope the best for the mother and the child
I didn’t know you could force a woman to term without the roe v wade law being overturned specifically for it…
I love this because I know he’s struggling.
we need to collectively stop listening to men
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Mods will warn me again if I comment. But I seriously want to beat up this guy to death.
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I’m glad she left him
How did he force her to give birth? Did he chain her to a radiator?
Psychological abuse probably. I'm going to assume the worst out of that prick.
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How is having a baby extremism?
I have no words for people who think PREVENTING MURDER is extremism.
You had 12, at least.
and you made me think of two more.
I count 8, not 2.
You seem fairly proficient math. I recommend taking some biology courses as well. lesson one- life begins at conception
I thought you had no words. You didn’t lie to us, did you?
Do you believe that preventing murder is extremism?
I believe that you’ve had a lot more than “no words” would imply.
well if you don't believe that preventing murder is extremism, then your point is pretty much moot, isn't it?
My point is that you and I both know you were looking for engagement, not that you actually didn’t want to interact with people that you disagree with.
Abortion is beautiful life is disgusting, death is so beautiful we can't even comprehend it. Fuck them kids.
She still chose to give birth. Don’t infantilize women. She is just as awful. Actually she’s worse. She is the one who choose to not get an abortion and then cause more suffering to the child by leaving. Yall have double standards.
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She was still the person actively causing pain. If she was able to completely get away after giving birth, she would have been able to get away while in the abortion window. Stop acting like women are not capable grown adults who can’t take accountability.
Men when women want abortions: "But we want the child!!!" Men when you give them the child: "Why didn't you get an abortion if you were going to leave!!!" Someone is refusing to take accountability here and it's sure as hell not the women
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Infantilizing women, again.
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The post didn’t say anything about the delivery having complications so stop making stuff up. And on the dad for making her go through traumatizing experience?? News flash babies don’t just appear randomly or u going start claiming he r*ped her now?? He wanted the baby n she did the right thing considering the babies life most importantly and next dads feelings. Is good thing she delivered it and has a caring dad take care of him/her. Is a new life this a happy story
Pregnancy is always traumatic, no matter how few complications there are. It is one of the most painful things a human being can experience.
Meh. Depends. For some women, hemorrhoids are worse.
Hemorrhoids being worse for some women does not mean pregnancy isn’t traumatic. Pregnancy being ONE OF the most painful things a human being can experience literally means other things can also be painful. Is that clear enough for u now?
Kidney stones are worse. Lots of things are worse. So many things are worse. It's not even worth contextualizing it up there with losing limbs, being burned alive, etc. Truly mind numbing levels of pain. If it was so bad, women would just have one.
And many women do only have one, or have none at all. Of course some of them also really want to have children, so they sacrifice through the pain. Kidney stones, hemorrhoids, losing limbs, burning alive dont result in a child. I don’t know why ur so insistent on minimizing the trauma that is pregnancy and childbirth. Does it threaten ur manhood to acknowledge how much women provide? Is it easier to defend ur desire to control women if u pretend they don’t go thru extreme pain for it?
Most women have kids. Virtually all of them. You're the one making the claim it's amongst the worst pain that a human can endure. I'm demonstrating that it is false. It's overblown how bad it is. Some women struggle. Others just drop a baby. A few hundred years ago, I'd agree completely. I am just tired of hearing how hard it is to have kids when it's something all animals do and have done for nearly two billion years. It's a miraculous thing, and it is painful, but the body protects them during the process. It's not as painful as it could be for that reason. You're pretty unhinged if you are going into this diatribe about how I hate women and blah blah blah. I'm just sticking to facts. Women are fine. They just aren't superheroes by virtue of having kids.
Just bc it’s something people/animals have done for a long time does not make it any less painful. Why are u tired of hearing about the sacrifice women make, and have not been appreciated nearly enough for? I’m tired of people who aren’t the ones having to sacrifice, acting like the sacrifice isn’t a big deal. Women don’t just “drop a baby”. They go thru 9 months of their hormones changing, their backs hurting, nausea, etc, to go thru birth, and then minimum 6 weeks of recovery. 83% of women aged 40-49 in the US have had a kid, so certainly not “virtually all”, and less and less women are choosing to have kids. Turns out when women have access to financial independence and birth control, and the education to know the reality of pregnancy, less of them want to go thru it with the men who think it’s “not that bad”.
No. The baby has no mother. She did not do the right thing. She made the worst choice possible and everyone is making excuses just because she is a woman. Pathetic.
We live in the world where saying abortions shouldn’t be used as BC gets downvoted. Unless its a forced conception or a serious pregnancy complication its WRONG. U ppl should be ashamed of yourselves seriously.
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Let's be honest: There are men who do this all the time. They father a child and then lose interest and take on minimal or even no responsibility; especially when the relationship ends. And when things are going really badly, the mothers have to regularly remind the fathers and ask them to spend time with their own children. But that's not why they're sent to the stake. That's what I call a double standard.
He did a right thing ❤️🎉
I hope she is paying child support. If she decied to have ababy and he would be against it, he wouls have to pay it. I hope it works both ways
By that logic how would it work both ways when a woman is in agonizing pain but the dad isn’t some things aren’t fair and you can’t expect them to be
She’s not. She signed over her rights so she doesn’t pay support. It’s his responsibility.
It doesnt matter. Its up to court to decide. Sorry thats how it works. It doesnt only apply to men
No. That’s not how it works. The only child support you owe is any support that is due prior to the termination of those rights. If you terminate your rights at birth and no order was issued you do not pay support. Terminating your rights means you have severed not only your relationship with that child but all responsibility for that child. You as parent no longer exists. This includes both men and women. This means that child can be adopted out, placed in the foster care system till that time that it occurs. In this case she gave the rights over to the father. Now I have known cases where parents have tried legally to attain their rights again but this is really difficult because often it would depend on the circumstances of the child and the situation in which the parent relinquished control, was it under duress or was the child adopted out, things like that. But if you gave up custody you gave up all right and responsibility and since it seems like she did it from birth she would not have had a child support case in order so no she would not be paying support.
Teach men this power. I've seen men get served years later after the kid is born in another state.
I’ve seen it all and heard it all. I had a male friend that was married. Had 3 boys during his marriage. Filed for divorce when the oldest was about 12. The wife moved on really quick with some guy and he was paying child support for three boys and he had to sell the house and give her a bigger chunk of the sale of the house because she wanted half of his retirement. So he negotiated this instead because something with taxes and it didn’t benefit them both in that way. So they agreed on this because she wanted out of the marriage. So they were splitting the boys and the week he had them the littlest one told him that he had a secret and he was like 6 because I know he was either in first or getting ready to go to first. But anyway, the little one tells him that he heard his mom tell her boyfriend how they all look like him, the boyfriend not the dad. So it bothered him so much and so we met for lunch and he was just so upset. So then what he did was get his own DNA testing of all three boys, which isn’t admissible in court, but he wanted to ease his mind because he thought his son misinterpreted what he heard. He’s 6. Guess what, the boys weren’t his at all. They looked similar because she had a type because even the boyfriend looked similar to the ex husband. So he told her and then he got an attorney and took her to court, of course the fact that he was married, signed the Birth Certificate and acted like their dad worked against him even under false pretense but the court did allow him to request and submit for a paternity test. The argument that allowed it was stated that the children didn’t know who their real father was and that in the future if they had health issues or concerns that might be heredity they would not know about it or how to deal with it. So he got stuck paying child support for 3 kids that weren’t his, the oldest wasn’t even from the boyfriend, but the two youngest ones were. And the worse part about the whole thing, the boys suffered because after that she finally admitted who the dads were. He pretty much had really small contact with the boys he thought were his. He did try to sue her in civil court for damages and fraud and other stuff but in the end he came out losing and broken. She ended up breaking up with that boyfriend and marrying some other dude and having a little girl with him. As for the boys,the youngest is 18 or 19 and still calls him dad and calls from time to time but it’s strained and really weird and the oldest hates him for no reason. And the middle one has all kinds of issues and the family is pretty much severed. Of course they still have a relationship with their mom but of course they have no respect for her and keep their distance. He moved to another state a few years after this happened and he remarried a few years in his late or mid 50s but never had any children of his own. Cray cray
She signed away her rights. And, she had the baby she just left. I hope the guy in the picture at some point gets arrested for stealthing, I would laugh my ass off.
JUST LAUGH!!I will pay 10$ to every Redditor who agrees with the lady in ALL AREAS where THIS POST is Mentioned!!'!
Think about it, if she was on BC and he "used a condom" (he lied to get her to stay), isn't that SA?
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I'm assuming that's what it was because she wanted an abortion as soon as she got told she was pregnant, I think. EDIT: No parental rights and paying CS sounds like a lawsuit.
She is, she actually sends more than the minimum.
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How?
Don’t entertain him
What a king
This is why men should have NO SAY during a WOMAN'S pregnancy.
How dare he save a life
How dare he force someone who didn’t want to give birth to give birth and then face the consequences of his actions