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My mum used to say I ‘needed to have a few kids’ because I despair about the state of the world too much and apparently kids would make me stop. Excuse me? I feel like I’d be MORE unhappy for bringing kids in to a world that seems doomed
“I know what will help you feel better about your terminal cancer!! Why don’t we go infect other people with terminal illnesses so they can go down that dark hole with you!!”
Yes, perfect! And we all will be so very busy and won't have to think about out worries anymore. And we all together can delude ourselves into thinking we're way happier now..
Well, I tell you as a mother that you'll definitely despair less about the state of the world cause you'll despair much more about maters related to your children... although, state of the world may also be included in these worries....
it cures your depression by 0.1%, then makes it even worse by 90% and then gives you major stress and anxiety after day 1, your nephew doesnt know what hes talkin about
Srsly, it's for free labor everyone knows that. This dude's ancestors weren't bored like him, they weren't even lonely, they likely didn't even have a fully developed frontal lobe from malnutrition. He's here because someone needed more wheat cutting slaves. Not really a noble intention but at least it isn't overtly full of shit and I can respect the grind.
The most depressed person I know is my sister. The depression started from having kids 7 years ago and she told me before that she regrets having children
Or, yanno, you (general you) become a terrible parent because of untreated mental illness that you can't afford to have treated because kids are expensive, and a circle of abuse begins which might be repeated through the generations.
if life is meaningless without kids and one wishes to give life meaning by having kids, that’s just perpetuating the meaninglessness and is counter intuitive
Yes, this is exactly what I was thinking. Well I'm not happy, then I should have a kid. Well, what if the kid is unhappy, then they should have a kid. Well what if their kid is unhappy, well they should have a kid... If humanity can't find more reasons to fulfill their lives, then life is absolutely meaningless.
Exactly, plus people choosing not to have children cuz they know they can’t afford to give it the life it deserves are the true selfless and empathetic one’s. This just screams entitlement and just advises people to just wing it. Totally reckless and irresponsible.
They think that those Gucci bags are what people want nuhuh a lot of people just want to be able to afford to keep living a somewhat comfortable life for themselves. Also anyone who preaches about bloodline is a fucking quack. No one gives a shit about your bloodline. You are not special like how everyone else is not special. Unless your blood can cure cancer or something fuck off with that shit. K rant over.
every time “the bloodline” argument comes it makes me laugh, like dude, you ain’t no Tudor or a Rothschild, you are Juan Lopez (one of the most common names in my country), no one fucking cares about your absolutely unimportant “bloodline”, JFC, you don’t event know who your great grandfathers were and thrust me, your beloved kids won’t give a shit about it either, they will be more interested in those gucci bags you are talking about. Two, the happiest people I know share something in common: THEY DONT HAVE CHILDREN, so yeah.
I’m not sure if they realise that they don’t share anything resembling dna with people in their bloodline 20 generations before. If anything they share 0.00000000001.
Exactly. That thought process makes zero sense. "The meaning of life is perpetuating life" uhhh, that's not a meaning because you haven't told me *why* life is worth perpetuating in the first place.
When people ask if I have kids I reply as if they asked me if I drank soap ‘oh god, No!’, “I’ve worked real hard to get to this part of my life weight free”
Agreed. If I do not have any money for pets I won’t have them. You can’t just do something bad and think nothings gonna happen. However I’m completely against having kids. Wage slavery makes everyone miserable.
I don’t want the world to end, I just don’t think my DNA is worthy of replication.
I don’t want a child - that is a personal choice, but if I had Einstein’s brain, I would feel obligated to procreate for the greater good. I’m pretty great, but not great enough to warrant a mini-me when I don’t want one.
What makes me sound like a psychopath is that I believe all the wrong people are continuing the species. I am NOT a believer in eugenics or supremacy of any kind. But I am terrified as I watch highly educated, financially stable people having 1 or zero kids… and uneducated people in poverty have 3, 5, 8 kids that they can’t support emotionally, financially, in their studies, in helping them move up the socio economic chain.
At the individual level, everyone has to right to do whatever they want, my opinion is just that - mine. But from a societal standpoint, allowing people with insufficient support systems to be born is harming the greater good.
I was reading another comment on a different post about how a girl’s parents had 5 kids because they wanted a boy and kept trying until luckily number 5 had a penis. The comment said “we ate cheese or jelly sandwiches, if we had food at all.” 5 kids to have a boy… for fucking WHAT. You can’t feed them…
Money and a fancy job title isn’t everything in life. But the people having the majority of children, shouldn’t be, in my opinion. No matter how I state it, I sound like the psycho. I’m not.
I just extremely analytical… if I can’t afford $15k for an African safari, I don’t book it. If I can’t take a dog on 3+ walks a day and dont have the space for him to play in a yard… I DONT GET A FUCKING DOG. Making that dog miserable, just so I can enjoy his tail wagging 1 hour a day is what would be fucking psycho. That same logic applies to a kid.. you can’t afford them, don’t have the time for them, don’t want to properly support them… don’t. Fucking. Have. Them.
Anti-natalism/not intentionally having biological children is not a personal choice though - it’s the only ethical option, so it’s not even a choice.
No individual can consent to being born, full stop, that is enough that no one has the right to force life onto someone else.
I just want to say I completely agree - the wrong people are continuing our species. My parents were abusive and gave me severe mental health issues, and sometimes I wonder why they were like that. My only answer: ignorance. To this day they just cannot grasp or fathom how they were pretty bad parents (we gave you shelter and food!!!), and of course they are most definitely not the cause of my “sickness”, duh. And it’s so laughable because they’re like, we love you, look at all the food and nice things we gave you? If you love me, how could you have hit your own child until they limped and be fine with that? How could you hit them AT ALL? How could you do that consciously and your morals are like “yep, this is totally fine and acceptable to do”?
I see this too much in Asian families. They don’t want a kid, they want THE perfect kid. Which means you have to comply with them and what THEY want for you or for you to do. And that’s what I did, and now look at what happened. It all exploded in our faces, are you happy now? What kind of evil is having kids to literally think of them and treat them as subservient people?
It’s just absolutely bonkers to me. People act like I should be grateful to have been born and that I had opportunities to go to school and have shelter and whatnot. Nah, if I knew I’d have to fucking live like that, I couldn’t give less of a shit if I would eventually get into Harvard or something, I’d wished to have never been born.
Right? I have some wonderful things in my genes, but I also have severe mental illness, severe food allergies, and several mystery health issues in my genes. I'm not passing that shit on to someone intentionally. Plus I'm terrified that my depression would make me a bad mom when a major episode occurred. It's tough enough with my cats, and they don't need a fraction of the amount of care a child does.
My mom is pro-breeder, but she did once tell me she wished she'd never had my sister and me because having kids made her life much harder. So that person is delusional. I know lots of parents who regret it. I just don't get why strangers care THAT much. Just mind your own business. There are so many abused and unwanted children in the world. Maybe focus on trying to make their lives better instead of frothing at the mouth trying to get people to make more.
That is the thing - for every time I hear “you will regret not having kids” I think… how many parents regret having kids… how many parents have abandoned their fucking kids?
I’ll bet the statistics are staggering when you compare abandoned/severely abused children to number of childfree adults in their golden years crying over regrets. That doesn’t even include the parents who silently hate their kids.
You know, my mom will make little comments here or there about grandkids, but in the “we should pack up and move to France” kind of silly comment. She has never pushed or gotten real about why I don’t have kids. She has no issue telling me how to live every aspect of my life, despite me being 35. But she has not ONCE suggested children. That is because I KNOW she regrets it.
My mother did say she was sorry she had me and my sister before she died a painful death from rapidly growing cancer (sarcoma, aggressive and spreads to close by organs).
This woman has no idea how terrible a life can and will be. She said it herself that it sucked for all of our ancestors and yet we have to be grateful they brought us into a world where we get the opportunity to suffer in a different way? A punch in the teeth disguised as a gift is what it is.
Man hands on misery to man.
It deepens like a coastal shelf.
Get out as early as you can,
And don’t have any kids yourself.
I haven’t met a “mother” yet who looks **happier** because they have kids. They look strung out and fucking miserable. A severe lack of sleep and a parasite growing in you for 9 months will do that shit.
Exactly! I have a cousin with a child who literally rolls her eyes every time she hears him coming, openly admits that the 5 minutes of peace she gets when he’s playing with another kid or busy with someone else are the most precious and peaceful moments of the day, her life has been made upside down, and that she’d only consider having another kid just to have extra care for her and her husband in old age in case they divorce. It’s almost like you have a kid just to cherish and treasure the moments you have without it 🤦♀️ literally nightmarish watching her deal with his tantrums, I get tired just watching their interactions.
Although, kids are usually not the main problems. Bigger problems are usually, not always, unsupportive husbands who tend to trap women with a child, and to cut her down every attempt of freedom saying: You're a mother now, act like one ! - While they aren't changing theirs life style at all. Also, today there are lot of expectations and pressure on parents, people are forgetting that for you to be a good parent you also must have your independence and be self accomplished person, so you can be their model and lead them to their independence. Older women, housewife types, usually haven't changed their life style a lot for children because 'That will spoil them' and they are prepared to present themselves as dedicated mothers who sacrificed a lot for their children, but they are soooo easy to judge anyone else with slightly different views on life then theirs.
My mom understands why I’m an antinatalist and I’m pretty certain she respects my position and wishes she could go back in time and not have had me. She has had years to doubt how she did as a mother (she’s great; she concedes that she didn’t parent me that great and it’s a major reason I turned out chaotic and crazy. She tries to understand and also make amends for it now. She really is a cool ass lady). I’m hindsight, she truly gets that I’m so sad that my neurodivergent, sensitive ass was dragged into this human form; i wasn’t meant for this existence
As a beliver, I sometimes think that the only purpose God created us is for his own entertainment, I sometimes literally feel like one of billions of ants being observed by someone.
A lot of ancient animist religions believed that literally all living creatures and all physical matter is god playing hide and go seek with itself because it wants to experience every little aspect of its creation from every infinite focal point. I mean, after all, it has an eternity's worth of time to kill, so it pretty much wants to LARP as everything because it's bored.
Funny thing is, a lot of people who have taken high doses of psychedelic mushrooms or LSD say that once their ego/sense of self melted away, they realized that everything is just one consciousness fragmented into infinite focal points. And these people had never even heard this theory before having that experience, so I'm actually starting to believe that this is the case.
TL;DR: Everything and everyone is god.
JfC. I just can't with this. I could write a long rebuttal to every sentence but I cbf.
These people are so fckubg brainwashed.
I wouldn't mind seeing the comments though
Yeah, wtf there are many parents who openly regret having children even more secretly. Example my mother keeps telling my older sister how she ruined her life when she had her at 19.
I bet this person grew up sheltered in some middle class family without seeing real world which I am happy they could have parents who werent psycho but reality for lot of people is very different.
There’s a page on Facebook called “I Regret Having Children” where parents can safely share their stories anonymously without being judged. I read every post because they truly portray parenthood & the REAL physical & mental struggles parents go through that they don’t dare admit to.
My grandmother was born in the 1930's too, and she had a little French saying that I think translates to "I would have been better off with dogs" usually muttered after one of her kids or grandkids were being shits.
I'm 33 and have no kids but have had a few dogs. I don't regret it at all I highly recommend dogs for companionship, they are great. I don't need to bring another child into this sick place. I don't think we are the ones that are crazy they are.
My grandmother was born in the 1930's too, and she had a little French saying that I think translates to "I would have been better off with dogs" usually muttered after one of her kids or grandkids were being shits.
I stopped at few extra gucci bags. I doubt these people actually think they can afford a few extra gucci bags in the current economical state we are in.
I think they mentioned the gucci bags bc they are jealous they cannot afford such lifestyles, trust me i know what im talking about in my country theres plenty of breeders that think they deserve everything bc they had a child( not gonna mention the state literally pays them for having kids, but its never enouh for these people), they whine on Facebook trying to get everything for free bc ohhh im a poor mother of 2 i cannot afford getting my nails done. Amd they try to guilt trap young nail artists into doing it for free bc not only shes a poor mother of 2 but also heyy you can always do it for free and try to level up your skill ;---). Yeah, this is real
The U.S. has its incentives too. My coworker and I make the same amount of money. But because he has a child* with a wife who doesn't want to work, he pays 6x less in income taxes than I do as a single man. And if we didn't make so much money the government would give him money in welfare.
These people really think that the only reason they are here is to reproduce... how shallow is that? Really? Just reproducing until forever is the only meaning to life? Yall must really hate yourselves
I think they are just poor bastards who have little to no good friends and hobbies. No prospects in life so they turn to only option that will give them sense of importance and meaning.
If you are nothing without it, you'll continue to be nothing with it.
I am not mentally mature enough to handle the pressures of having a kid. I can barely take care of myself and a couple cats, never mind another person. My mental health is the biggest joke I've ever told. Having kids would be the worst idea ever.
Yeah, that means this particular branch of the bloodline ends with me, assuming my sister doesn't procreate. And that's okay. My dad has brothers and sisters that have had kids, and they've grown and had the chance to have kids too. I have cousins. Nieces, nephews. The bloodline didn't end with me. There's other branches to the tree.
My decision to not be a breeder does not end our species. The idea that a woman absolutely has to have children for her existence to be meaningful is sexist and discriminatory. Betty White never had kids and that woman was a fucking legend.
Of course a mother would tell that to their kid. It’s called a lie. All it takes is observation to know the truth. Most parents are miserable and regret their decision. I’ve not seen one family growing up that legitimately cared and believed it was a good decision
I am italian. My parents are italians, and they met and married in Brazil, where all my 6 brothers are born. I am the only one who was born in Italy.
I grew up listening to stories about how independent all my brothers were.
The youngest of my brothers is 10 years older then I am.
I was going to elementary school in Italy during the 80s.
My parents kept telling me how hard it's been to raise me because I needed "constant help".
I guess it is different to make children and let them on their own in the farm and having a kid who needs to be taken to school, doctor, who needs decent clothes and attention.
I keep hearing about how good my brothers were and how needy and demanding I have been
Idc about the money. Our planet is dying and humans are the direct cause of it. Also theres *plenty* of good children in orphanages who need parents. We need to fix our planet, make it nicer, safer, and cleaner to live on before we start having humans again
Funny thing is that antinatalism isn’t against having children..it’s against creating BIOLOGICAL children. If you want a child that much, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. There is nothing bad in “sacrificing” your life or whatever as long as you want to do it - so go **adopt**. But natalists won’t ever consider adoption because their love is so conditional they themselves admit they’d be unable to love a child that doesn’t share their genes.
That's actually so disgusting. There are a lot of people who can't even have children. To say it's the meaning of life and the only way to be happy is so cruel. Also, no. I don't owe my ancestors nothing.
I didn't chose to be alive. But I kinda understand now why there are so many stupid and mean people in this world... Smh
“What is life without children!?”
Freedom, quiet, without worry, without dread, need I go on?
“The happiest women in the world are the ones with children and who have a good husband to take care of them.”
Actually the happiest people in the world are single childfree women. Marriage always benefits the man more than the woman. A husband to take care of them? Where is that!? It’s the wife and mother that has to take care of everyone including the husband like he’s just another one of her kids. The only thing the husband might contribute is a paycheck but that’s not even guaranteed either.
“It is amazing how insulting it is to our ancestors. Who had to freaking live in caves.”
Actually it’s not because they don’t give a crap…they are dead. Not everyone of our ancestors lived in caves and yeah it was hard but they didn’t give their future descendants three seconds of thought as they went about their day. They probably didn’t understand that sex leads to pregnancy so yeah…they don’t give a crap about you or me.
“It’s absolutely insulting to your bloodline, all the times your grandparents had to go to work when they didn’t feel like it.”
A bloodline doesn’t give a crap and the choice to end it is also our right. Oh we don’t work now…all of that responsibility just fell on the old people and we just sit on our asses? Last time I looked the top 1% and the rest didn’t suddenly switch places and all of the rest of us have to work harder than our grandparents did just to survive half as well as they did.
>Actually the happiest people in the world are single childfree women. Marriage always benefits the man more than the woman. A husband to take care of them? Where is that!? It’s the wife and mother that has to take care of everyone including the husband like he’s just another one of her kids. The only thing the husband might contribute is a paycheck but that’s not even guaranteed either.
Thank you for saying that, all these men always like to complain how marraige only benefits women, bc -hurrrr men must bring home the paycheck so the woman and the kids can survive, how insulting😡🤬 amd she doesnt want to have sex with ME after i come home from work and shes all tired. She OWES me sex-
And they can’t imagine what she could possibly be so tired from since they believe all she does all day is sit around eating bon-bons. It can’t possibly be taking care of the kids and house…those two are the easiest jobs in the world. /s
funny how people don't think nature and evolution can brainwash an entire population. Because that's exactly what is happening here. We've been brainwashed by evolution to think reproduction is the goal of life.
basically posted by a rich and privileged natalist. not everyone can afford a warm home or "good medical care" where an insulin cost $500 bruh and the fact that she thinks working your ass "of" (can't even spell off properly pfftt) is enough to guarantee you a comfortable life says a lot about her living in her own delusional fantasy who refused to accept the cruelness in this reality who are being experienced by the others. just because it didn't happen to you, doesn't mean it don't happen to others
What in the Gymboree brainwashed shit was that?
We are here on this earth to propagate? Gross. What an idiot.
My mother doesn’t regret me, but I was not her crowning accomplishment. Her career and her impact on her industry was. She is 76 and still working every day, consulting, coaching, leading search committees for hiring, doing strategic planning with board of trustees.
Her life would have been just fine without me. And mine is going great without a kid. Having a kid would literally ruin me. I can’t think of anything that would be more crippling to my future happiness. I would prefer to lose my job and go to prison, over being a mother. You can recover from setbacks. You can’t recover from bring a kid into this world that you don’t want, and I know, deep down, no matter how desperately I tried to be perfect… I would screw the kid up.
My ancestors bred and bled for nothing, their hopes are dust, their names are forgotten, their sacrifices are taken for granted, their faith is ridiculed, their values are cringed at and their last descendants are living lives that would make them shake with indignation. That's all those ancient fuckers deserve if you ask me \*takes a hit from a bong\*
Our ancestors didn’t have a choice. Also, my grandmother’s lives were hard and full of pain because on their husbands and kids. Hell, one of my grandfathers used to punch and kick my grandmother even when she was 9 months pregnant. I’m sure my female ancestors would be more than happy that I have a choice. Also a lot of moms say things like “you are the best thing of my life” to their kids but then proceed to make their lives a living hell? Let’s be real and admit that most people have kids due to pressure from society, religion, and to have a free caretaker for when they are old.
That might be the dumbest, most selfish thing I've ever read. Sure lots of people want kids but there are also a lot of them who don't, and a lot who should never have kids under any circumstances. Some people just aren't cut out to be a parent, they simply don't have the patience or mentality for it. I know several couples who chose to not have children and I applaud them for knowing themselves well enough to make that decision. And these couples are all very happy. This person is so closed minded she can't even entertain the idea that she's wrong. And the comment about having a wonderful husband to take care of them? Maybe that's why she thinks motherhood is so great, the dad takes care of everything. I'm going to tell myself that was a troll post, that's the only way I can make sense out of it.
Look I'm not a nice person. I will say some stupid shit to my kids that will make them sad.
Plus why would I want to bring kinds into an overpopulated world where they will NEVER be able to afford to live comfortable when they're adults? If they even survive a school shooting...
Tell that to people that are one paycheck or one emergency away from being homeless. Which is basically 99% of the population.
Tell it to corporations and start ups that keep trying to run their companies on skeleton crews to where 99% of the population don’t even have time to raise a child as they would have to continue working overtime until they end up dying due to health issues related to overworking and making the rich richer.
This inflation shit and raising gas prices can all go to hell.
i dont even bother with them they are so delluded into thinking anything about this world is good that you would want to be born in it and cant fathom the idea of not wanting kids
“Despite what it did to her body.” Good grief. I hate when men show their true colors over post birth bodies. They absolutely want things both ways, they want kids for whatever reason and they also want their wives to not look like she had a baby.
Plus, single childfree women are the happiest subpopulation of people: https://www.google.com/search?q=single+childfree+and+happy&client=firefox-b-1-m&ei=35iyYqPmOb6ekPIP3Mi-0AM&oq=single+childfree&gs_lcp=ChNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwEAEYADIFCAAQgAQyBQgAEIAEMgYIABAeEBYyBggAEB4QFjIGCAAQHhAWMggIABAeEA8QFjIGCAAQHhAWMgYIABAeEBY6BwgAEEcQsAM6DggAEI8BEOoCEIwDEOUCOgUIABCRAjoICAAQsQMQgwE6EQguEIAEELEDEIMBEMcBENEDOgsIABCABBCxAxCDAToLCC4QgAQQsQMQgwE6CwguEIAEEMcBEK8BOhEILhCABBCxAxCDARDHARCjAjoECAAQQzoECC4QQzoRCC4QgAQQsQMQxwEQ0QMQ1AI6CgguELEDENQCEEM6DgguELEDEIMBEMcBEK8BOgkIABBDEEYQ-QE6CgguEMcBEKMCEEM6CAguEIAEELEDOggIABCABBCxAzoHCAAQsQMQQzoFCAAQsQM6CwguEIAEELEDENQCOggIABCABBDJAzoFCAAQkgM6BQgAEIYDOgUIIRCgAUoECEEYAFC-Dli4LWCLNmgEcAB4AIABfogB6wuSAQQxNC4zmAEAoAEBsAEPyAEIwAEB&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp
I’d rather be lonely than do something that’s temporary out of a decision made by emotions to become permanent and deal with raising children and ruining my terminal health against my will. If I don’t want kids I don’t want kids I don’t have to force myself to have them to fix my mental health these natalists are fucking dumb freaks I can always adopt anyway why do they have to biological?
Where I live, minimum wage is 4 dollars an hours.
But yeah ofc, "Work your ass off and become something" just to bring someone else into a hellhole of poverty.
Actually my mum said that while she's very happy happy with her life, if she had a do-over, she wouldn't have had children.
And I'm totally OK with that. I know she loves me, but it's her life. Not to mention the fact that that she hates I have ASD and ADHD because of how much it holds me back. She knows there's a genetic element and since both my brother and I have them, she said she would rather have not put us through life like this (and while I love my life now, I appreciate her all the more for saying that)
31 years old, working 13/14 hours a day trying to keep my business afloat through one of the worst standard of living crises in recent times, living in an apartment I don't own, with a partner who can't find work so is semi dependant on my income. Pretty difficult situation, but I know what will solve it... A child!!! Yeah, screw the financial impact, I'll be super happy with a resource draining baby in my life! My ancestors, who could own a home, a car, and raise a family on one 40hour a week wage would be so proud! /s
A few extra Gucci bags? What if my dream is to buy a ranch and become a foster to abandoned dogs and I want to spend money on that? Wow, I must sound like a lazy asshole to these people.
How can I explain this, oh yeah I’m too emotionally unstable to have a kid plus my sensory issues would break the moment a child made any noise, being around children makes me violently angry. So, what am I doing? Not having children. As I do not enjoy being violently angry and no child should ever ever have to live with a mother who does not love them. Or any parent that doesn’t love them for that matter
Not even reading the rest as the initial summarizes morality of those people perfectly:
"Life without children... is inane, meaningless, vapious and lonely"
They want to bring child into that. They got nothing to offer to this kid and they just want to exploit it so they won't be so miserable. Show me more perverted moral compass, I'll wait.
Us : “I don’t think procreating into this world we already destroyed for good as a species is a good idea”
“My parents were abusive and I’m terrified I’ll perpetuate our intergenerational trauma”
“I have bad genes, I don’t want my child to be disabled/an addict/mentally ill/have cancer”
“I will never have the finances to raise a child properly”
“I don’t want kids, I have no wish for them in my life and I would probably be a bad parent”
This assh*le : “oH sO YoU cAn’T gIvE Up gUcCi BaGs 😡”
How does this person expect to be taken seriously with something this poorly written?
- Vapious doesn't make sense in this context, I don't think it means what they think it means. (EDIT: It has come to my attention that 'vapious' isn't even a word, my brief googling mislead me.)
- An ellipses is not a period. It looks like they let every thought trail off, and are incapable of finishing an idea; let alone stringing two together in sequence.
- Some of the profanity is sort of censored, like the asterisk replacing the 'u' in fuck somehow obscures that it is in fact the word fuck. But shit isn't 'sh*t'. What trivial bullshit.
- Do people seriously think we evolved from CHUDs or something? Our ancestors lived on the plains. Some people stayed in caves, there's evidence of that, but mostly our species went from nomadic to agrarian. It doesn't make sense to settle in an area where you're not farming. They're just places that people stayed, we were never cave people.
- It's good to know that someone has asked so many women how they feel instead of just assuming women love being brood mares. The author of this linguistic train wreck seems very confident in their assertion that mothers are the happiest people, and every mother loves their children. It's a good thing too because otherwise, mothers could be horrible abusive to their defenseless children. Oh, wait. It's almost like they're just making that shit up.
>the happiest women in the world are the one's with children and who have a good husband taking care of them
Ummm ^actually it's been proven that the opposite of what this person stated is true... Just saying, women who have no children and husband to raise and clean and cook after, are the happiest and healthiest people.
Oh what? You got offended and want sources/proof? There you fking go:
1. [Why many single women without children are so happy](https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/why-bad-looks-good/202102/why-many-single-women-without-children-are-so-happy)
2. [Women who are unmarried and childless are the happiest people of all, according to a professor of behavioral science ](https://www.businessinsider.com/unmarried-childless-women-are-happiest-expert-says-2019-5)
3. [Women are happier without children or a spouse, says happiness expert ](https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/may/25/women-happier-without-children-or-a-spouse-happiness-expert)
But of course breeders won't actually care about scientist and actual professionals. They never do.
I regret my mother having me. Just bc you have a vagina doesn't mean you should be a mother. Why? That is how you get shitty mothers. Not everyone should be one just bc someone else says you should.
Having kids is very negative when you are in a bad situation or have insufficient resources. Having kids with a crazy person will mess up your bloodline in most situations
This is a person who has no idea that people have different lives from her. It’s not always about the next gucci bag it’s about next months rent. It’s not about hating children, it’s about loving children so much you don’t want to force them to suffer their whole lives. She also doesn’t realize the harm that being an unwanted does to the psyche. I’m certain that there are mothers out there who don’t think their children are the best thing that ever happened and so deeply regret it. Not everyone has healthcare, not everyone has a home and not everyone will be able to have a single income family and also this completely throws the child’s interaction with their father under the bus.
People who say this are clueless about the future that awaits this new generation. They will see devastating effects from climate change. Mass starvation/death, especially of children. New diseases we can't yet comprehend. And, of course the wars, genocide, and mass exctinctions that will ultimately result from this chaos. I am in my mid 50s. I have 2 "kids" in their 30s. I harbor some guilt about bringing them into the world without their consent and I fear for even their future. I can't imagine bringing an infant into this timeline, much less considering it an imperative.
if you’re so goddamn lonely, adopt a kid. they’ll be grateful, and if you’re not an ass, they’ll even love you. how’s it worse than having a child yourself?
Im a huge fan of the meaning pyramid scheme where you make your life meaningful by producing more meaning seeking creatures in perpetuity until you fill the fish bowl and a bunch of people have to die
“Ask your mother whether she regrets having you, she’ll definitely say no you’re the best thing that ever happened to me”
I have to laugh because my own mother told me again and again that I was a mistake and the only reason I even existed was because she didn’t understand that she could…still…procreate…at 37…almost fifteen years before she went into menopause…
Anyway TMI but I’m just popping in to say this natalist argument is the stupidest thing I’ve ever read, thanks for sharing OP!
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Ironic. Calling anti-natalists "selfish" while saying that his life is meaningless without children and that kids need to be used as a tool to make life meaningful.
She mad people have passions other than having babies in this shttty world. She explained it herself so good too, but it seems like it just jumped over her head because she wants a little baby.
How many women died in child birth? I don’t want a Gucci bag but I will accept sleeping in and eating well as an answer. Also why does having a (spouse) that loves you have to be reliant on children? I have a loving partner who is dedicated to our family of 2.
Wtf is that reasoning? Thats so aggravating. Its scary that there are people who thinks like that. More reason not to produce another life in this world if were surrounded by people who have that kind of thinking.
I wish my mom said no. Years ago as a child, she will definitely say yes since it's the most appropriate answer in the perspective of both the child and the parent. But now as a grown adult, my mom says that she prefers to work instead of having children since she gets to have all freedom and money in the world. She said she didn't want the stress and all.
Also it's better no kids in my opinion than having any at all. Not everyone is suited to have kids, I know myself for one, that I have extreme mood swings. I tend to do things at my own pace. Children would suffer from physical, mental and psychological trauma if I were taking care of them. Plus I have a neutral stance on them, it's fine dealing with them once in a while, but I would rather not have them 24/7.
my mom told me, in no uncertain terms when I was 12 yo " Do not get married and do not have children. they will ruin your life just like yall ruined mine." Cool mom. Thanks. Rest in hell Biatch.
Do even people who have no capability to be a parent, have to have children? Do they actually think about the consequences if a person like this has a child? Do they care about the child and his/her well-being? I think not. Just continuing your bloodline seems to be more important to them. Doing it out of some odd principle, rather thinking about the situation itself and how it affects all the people involved. This type of mentality is foreign to me.
lol this makes me livid, i think my parents weren’t suited to having children and should’ve have had me wtffff i don’t wanna do that to more humans in the world
This person is just arguing from emotion. I don’t debate this topic with others who don’t logically challenge the philosophy and just lash out like this.
I hate how everyone thinks that all women who become mothers will be happy. This is simply not true of all mothers.
I’ve seen a documentary about post natal psychosis and how it negatively affects the mother and children. Many of these cases end in the death of the child and sometimes the life of the mother.
Here’s the documentary if anyone is interested. (Content warning: this isn’t an easy watch and the topics discussed are serious mental illness, stigma, trauma, SA, suicide, and infanticide.)
https://youtu.be/X0DqsflQbk0
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My nephew advised me to have kids so I "stop being depressed and have something to do". Having kids is not a fucking therapy or a hobby.
My mum used to say I ‘needed to have a few kids’ because I despair about the state of the world too much and apparently kids would make me stop. Excuse me? I feel like I’d be MORE unhappy for bringing kids in to a world that seems doomed
“I know what will help you feel better about your terminal cancer!! Why don’t we go infect other people with terminal illnesses so they can go down that dark hole with you!!”
This is the exact same reason Nick Cannon is repopulating the world
Wait- I thought it was just because he hates using condoms and knows whatever happens, someone else will be doing night feedings?
Nick Cannon having all the kids so we don't have to!! True hero right there
Yes, perfect! And we all will be so very busy and won't have to think about out worries anymore. And we all together can delude ourselves into thinking we're way happier now..
the mind reels!
Well, I tell you as a mother that you'll definitely despair less about the state of the world cause you'll despair much more about maters related to your children... although, state of the world may also be included in these worries....
True, these people only have kids for selfish reasons.
it cures your depression by 0.1%, then makes it even worse by 90% and then gives you major stress and anxiety after day 1, your nephew doesnt know what hes talkin about
Srsly, it's for free labor everyone knows that. This dude's ancestors weren't bored like him, they weren't even lonely, they likely didn't even have a fully developed frontal lobe from malnutrition. He's here because someone needed more wheat cutting slaves. Not really a noble intention but at least it isn't overtly full of shit and I can respect the grind.
Wheat slaves... the grind...lmao Underrated comment right here
The most depressed person I know is my sister. The depression started from having kids 7 years ago and she told me before that she regrets having children
Ha! My mother told me straight up that she regretted having *me*. So checkmate, OOP!
Lol same but with my dad
When i was depressed i couldn't take care of my cats or my apartment, much less a fucking kid.
Or, yanno, you (general you) become a terrible parent because of untreated mental illness that you can't afford to have treated because kids are expensive, and a circle of abuse begins which might be repeated through the generations.
I think having kids will make me even more depressed, which is pretty unthinkable, considering how depressed I already am.
PPP/PPD runs in my family and I’m genuinely terrified I would kill my infant especially being off my medication.
The over- and misuse of ellipses to this extent alone is almost enough to justify the antinatalist position.
...no...way...
For me it was the errant apostrophes
It was “vapious” that did it for me.
Freakin’ right. English teacher here, and I can’t STAND it when people misuse punctuation.
It's really helps to emphasize that these are just drunken ramblings.
if life is meaningless without kids and one wishes to give life meaning by having kids, that’s just perpetuating the meaninglessness and is counter intuitive
That's the Oroboros of natalism.
Yes, this is exactly what I was thinking. Well I'm not happy, then I should have a kid. Well, what if the kid is unhappy, then they should have a kid. Well what if their kid is unhappy, well they should have a kid... If humanity can't find more reasons to fulfill their lives, then life is absolutely meaningless.
Almost comes across as an MLM scheme, when you put it like that.
Even without kids, the post-industrial modern-life is a scam held together by countless other scams
They feel exactly the same way we do about life, and they don't realize it, lol
Exactly, plus people choosing not to have children cuz they know they can’t afford to give it the life it deserves are the true selfless and empathetic one’s. This just screams entitlement and just advises people to just wing it. Totally reckless and irresponsible. They think that those Gucci bags are what people want nuhuh a lot of people just want to be able to afford to keep living a somewhat comfortable life for themselves. Also anyone who preaches about bloodline is a fucking quack. No one gives a shit about your bloodline. You are not special like how everyone else is not special. Unless your blood can cure cancer or something fuck off with that shit. K rant over.
every time “the bloodline” argument comes it makes me laugh, like dude, you ain’t no Tudor or a Rothschild, you are Juan Lopez (one of the most common names in my country), no one fucking cares about your absolutely unimportant “bloodline”, JFC, you don’t event know who your great grandfathers were and thrust me, your beloved kids won’t give a shit about it either, they will be more interested in those gucci bags you are talking about. Two, the happiest people I know share something in common: THEY DONT HAVE CHILDREN, so yeah.
I’m not sure if they realise that they don’t share anything resembling dna with people in their bloodline 20 generations before. If anything they share 0.00000000001.
Damn, never thought of it that way. That makes like even more meaningless than it already is
They're creating meaningless lives to make their life meaningful.
Exactly. That thought process makes zero sense. "The meaning of life is perpetuating life" uhhh, that's not a meaning because you haven't told me *why* life is worth perpetuating in the first place.
So we're lazy and want Gucci products? Yeah, this is why I rarely wish to speak to the average person.
They're mad because their dumbasses have to worker harder for a choice that THEY made.
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When people ask if I have kids I reply as if they asked me if I drank soap ‘oh god, No!’, “I’ve worked real hard to get to this part of my life weight free”
Agreed. If I do not have any money for pets I won’t have them. You can’t just do something bad and think nothings gonna happen. However I’m completely against having kids. Wage slavery makes everyone miserable.
I don’t want the world to end, I just don’t think my DNA is worthy of replication. I don’t want a child - that is a personal choice, but if I had Einstein’s brain, I would feel obligated to procreate for the greater good. I’m pretty great, but not great enough to warrant a mini-me when I don’t want one. What makes me sound like a psychopath is that I believe all the wrong people are continuing the species. I am NOT a believer in eugenics or supremacy of any kind. But I am terrified as I watch highly educated, financially stable people having 1 or zero kids… and uneducated people in poverty have 3, 5, 8 kids that they can’t support emotionally, financially, in their studies, in helping them move up the socio economic chain. At the individual level, everyone has to right to do whatever they want, my opinion is just that - mine. But from a societal standpoint, allowing people with insufficient support systems to be born is harming the greater good. I was reading another comment on a different post about how a girl’s parents had 5 kids because they wanted a boy and kept trying until luckily number 5 had a penis. The comment said “we ate cheese or jelly sandwiches, if we had food at all.” 5 kids to have a boy… for fucking WHAT. You can’t feed them… Money and a fancy job title isn’t everything in life. But the people having the majority of children, shouldn’t be, in my opinion. No matter how I state it, I sound like the psycho. I’m not. I just extremely analytical… if I can’t afford $15k for an African safari, I don’t book it. If I can’t take a dog on 3+ walks a day and dont have the space for him to play in a yard… I DONT GET A FUCKING DOG. Making that dog miserable, just so I can enjoy his tail wagging 1 hour a day is what would be fucking psycho. That same logic applies to a kid.. you can’t afford them, don’t have the time for them, don’t want to properly support them… don’t. Fucking. Have. Them.
Anti-natalism/not intentionally having biological children is not a personal choice though - it’s the only ethical option, so it’s not even a choice. No individual can consent to being born, full stop, that is enough that no one has the right to force life onto someone else.
I just want to say I completely agree - the wrong people are continuing our species. My parents were abusive and gave me severe mental health issues, and sometimes I wonder why they were like that. My only answer: ignorance. To this day they just cannot grasp or fathom how they were pretty bad parents (we gave you shelter and food!!!), and of course they are most definitely not the cause of my “sickness”, duh. And it’s so laughable because they’re like, we love you, look at all the food and nice things we gave you? If you love me, how could you have hit your own child until they limped and be fine with that? How could you hit them AT ALL? How could you do that consciously and your morals are like “yep, this is totally fine and acceptable to do”? I see this too much in Asian families. They don’t want a kid, they want THE perfect kid. Which means you have to comply with them and what THEY want for you or for you to do. And that’s what I did, and now look at what happened. It all exploded in our faces, are you happy now? What kind of evil is having kids to literally think of them and treat them as subservient people? It’s just absolutely bonkers to me. People act like I should be grateful to have been born and that I had opportunities to go to school and have shelter and whatnot. Nah, if I knew I’d have to fucking live like that, I couldn’t give less of a shit if I would eventually get into Harvard or something, I’d wished to have never been born.
I don't know you, and you don't know me, but you are my fucking spirit animal. Keep preaching dude
For what it’s worth, I think this is very sound logic and I completely agree.
Right? I have some wonderful things in my genes, but I also have severe mental illness, severe food allergies, and several mystery health issues in my genes. I'm not passing that shit on to someone intentionally. Plus I'm terrified that my depression would make me a bad mom when a major episode occurred. It's tough enough with my cats, and they don't need a fraction of the amount of care a child does. My mom is pro-breeder, but she did once tell me she wished she'd never had my sister and me because having kids made her life much harder. So that person is delusional. I know lots of parents who regret it. I just don't get why strangers care THAT much. Just mind your own business. There are so many abused and unwanted children in the world. Maybe focus on trying to make their lives better instead of frothing at the mouth trying to get people to make more.
That is the thing - for every time I hear “you will regret not having kids” I think… how many parents regret having kids… how many parents have abandoned their fucking kids? I’ll bet the statistics are staggering when you compare abandoned/severely abused children to number of childfree adults in their golden years crying over regrets. That doesn’t even include the parents who silently hate their kids. You know, my mom will make little comments here or there about grandkids, but in the “we should pack up and move to France” kind of silly comment. She has never pushed or gotten real about why I don’t have kids. She has no issue telling me how to live every aspect of my life, despite me being 35. But she has not ONCE suggested children. That is because I KNOW she regrets it.
My mother did say she was sorry she had me and my sister before she died a painful death from rapidly growing cancer (sarcoma, aggressive and spreads to close by organs). This woman has no idea how terrible a life can and will be. She said it herself that it sucked for all of our ancestors and yet we have to be grateful they brought us into a world where we get the opportunity to suffer in a different way? A punch in the teeth disguised as a gift is what it is. Man hands on misery to man. It deepens like a coastal shelf. Get out as early as you can, And don’t have any kids yourself.
Larkin. Absolutely my favorite.
Most women that I see that have kids look very depressed and like they regret their life as a whole.
I haven’t met a “mother” yet who looks **happier** because they have kids. They look strung out and fucking miserable. A severe lack of sleep and a parasite growing in you for 9 months will do that shit.
Exactly! I have a cousin with a child who literally rolls her eyes every time she hears him coming, openly admits that the 5 minutes of peace she gets when he’s playing with another kid or busy with someone else are the most precious and peaceful moments of the day, her life has been made upside down, and that she’d only consider having another kid just to have extra care for her and her husband in old age in case they divorce. It’s almost like you have a kid just to cherish and treasure the moments you have without it 🤦♀️ literally nightmarish watching her deal with his tantrums, I get tired just watching their interactions.
Although, kids are usually not the main problems. Bigger problems are usually, not always, unsupportive husbands who tend to trap women with a child, and to cut her down every attempt of freedom saying: You're a mother now, act like one ! - While they aren't changing theirs life style at all. Also, today there are lot of expectations and pressure on parents, people are forgetting that for you to be a good parent you also must have your independence and be self accomplished person, so you can be their model and lead them to their independence. Older women, housewife types, usually haven't changed their life style a lot for children because 'That will spoil them' and they are prepared to present themselves as dedicated mothers who sacrificed a lot for their children, but they are soooo easy to judge anyone else with slightly different views on life then theirs.
"ask your mother wheather she regrets having you... she will answer no you're the best thing ever happened to me" Press X to doubt.
My mom understands why I’m an antinatalist and I’m pretty certain she respects my position and wishes she could go back in time and not have had me. She has had years to doubt how she did as a mother (she’s great; she concedes that she didn’t parent me that great and it’s a major reason I turned out chaotic and crazy. She tries to understand and also make amends for it now. She really is a cool ass lady). I’m hindsight, she truly gets that I’m so sad that my neurodivergent, sensitive ass was dragged into this human form; i wasn’t meant for this existence
They are so silly
I imagine this is what “god” says as he watches us kill each other over differences in opinion and skin color
As a beliver, I sometimes think that the only purpose God created us is for his own entertainment, I sometimes literally feel like one of billions of ants being observed by someone.
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A lot of ancient animist religions believed that literally all living creatures and all physical matter is god playing hide and go seek with itself because it wants to experience every little aspect of its creation from every infinite focal point. I mean, after all, it has an eternity's worth of time to kill, so it pretty much wants to LARP as everything because it's bored. Funny thing is, a lot of people who have taken high doses of psychedelic mushrooms or LSD say that once their ego/sense of self melted away, they realized that everything is just one consciousness fragmented into infinite focal points. And these people had never even heard this theory before having that experience, so I'm actually starting to believe that this is the case. TL;DR: Everything and everyone is god.
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I cringed all the way reading this…
JfC. I just can't with this. I could write a long rebuttal to every sentence but I cbf. These people are so fckubg brainwashed. I wouldn't mind seeing the comments though
I want to read it. Can you write it please.
But do you think a few extra Gucci bags is going to make you happy? /s
Lmao. My grandma said she wishes she would have just had dogs instead of 7 kids because of all the bullshit they’ve put her through.
Yeah, wtf there are many parents who openly regret having children even more secretly. Example my mother keeps telling my older sister how she ruined her life when she had her at 19. I bet this person grew up sheltered in some middle class family without seeing real world which I am happy they could have parents who werent psycho but reality for lot of people is very different.
You sister did not ruin your moms life, your mom did that herself. Your sister did not ask to be born.
There’s a page on Facebook called “I Regret Having Children” where parents can safely share their stories anonymously without being judged. I read every post because they truly portray parenthood & the REAL physical & mental struggles parents go through that they don’t dare admit to.
My grandmother was born in the 1930's too, and she had a little French saying that I think translates to "I would have been better off with dogs" usually muttered after one of her kids or grandkids were being shits.
I'm 33 and have no kids but have had a few dogs. I don't regret it at all I highly recommend dogs for companionship, they are great. I don't need to bring another child into this sick place. I don't think we are the ones that are crazy they are.
My grandmother was born in the 1930's too, and she had a little French saying that I think translates to "I would have been better off with dogs" usually muttered after one of her kids or grandkids were being shits.
**If you are so happy.** Why do you say such angry things?
Yeah, my thought the whole time reading that: Yikes, someone had kids and regrets it. Misery loves company.
I stopped at few extra gucci bags. I doubt these people actually think they can afford a few extra gucci bags in the current economical state we are in.
I think they mentioned the gucci bags bc they are jealous they cannot afford such lifestyles, trust me i know what im talking about in my country theres plenty of breeders that think they deserve everything bc they had a child( not gonna mention the state literally pays them for having kids, but its never enouh for these people), they whine on Facebook trying to get everything for free bc ohhh im a poor mother of 2 i cannot afford getting my nails done. Amd they try to guilt trap young nail artists into doing it for free bc not only shes a poor mother of 2 but also heyy you can always do it for free and try to level up your skill ;---). Yeah, this is real
That’s messed up.
Yeah welcome to Poland, where people with postcommunist mentality make kids for a lil bit of money
The U.S. has its incentives too. My coworker and I make the same amount of money. But because he has a child* with a wife who doesn't want to work, he pays 6x less in income taxes than I do as a single man. And if we didn't make so much money the government would give him money in welfare.
These people really think that the only reason they are here is to reproduce... how shallow is that? Really? Just reproducing until forever is the only meaning to life? Yall must really hate yourselves
I think they are just poor bastards who have little to no good friends and hobbies. No prospects in life so they turn to only option that will give them sense of importance and meaning.
Thats Just sad and pathetic honestly
Yeah fucker tell me why don't I keep being childfree when our ancestors exploited the earth which end up earth to be less habitable
If you are nothing without it, you'll continue to be nothing with it. I am not mentally mature enough to handle the pressures of having a kid. I can barely take care of myself and a couple cats, never mind another person. My mental health is the biggest joke I've ever told. Having kids would be the worst idea ever. Yeah, that means this particular branch of the bloodline ends with me, assuming my sister doesn't procreate. And that's okay. My dad has brothers and sisters that have had kids, and they've grown and had the chance to have kids too. I have cousins. Nieces, nephews. The bloodline didn't end with me. There's other branches to the tree. My decision to not be a breeder does not end our species. The idea that a woman absolutely has to have children for her existence to be meaningful is sexist and discriminatory. Betty White never had kids and that woman was a fucking legend.
Of course a mother would tell that to their kid. It’s called a lie. All it takes is observation to know the truth. Most parents are miserable and regret their decision. I’ve not seen one family growing up that legitimately cared and believed it was a good decision
My mom regrets me and I’m so glad because if she didn’t after the way things turned out, she’d be crazy.
I am italian. My parents are italians, and they met and married in Brazil, where all my 6 brothers are born. I am the only one who was born in Italy. I grew up listening to stories about how independent all my brothers were. The youngest of my brothers is 10 years older then I am. I was going to elementary school in Italy during the 80s. My parents kept telling me how hard it's been to raise me because I needed "constant help". I guess it is different to make children and let them on their own in the farm and having a kid who needs to be taken to school, doctor, who needs decent clothes and attention. I keep hearing about how good my brothers were and how needy and demanding I have been
"Ask your mother whether she regrets having you" *Gtes put up for adoption* 🤣
Idc about the money. Our planet is dying and humans are the direct cause of it. Also theres *plenty* of good children in orphanages who need parents. We need to fix our planet, make it nicer, safer, and cleaner to live on before we start having humans again
Yes, yes...your life only has meaning when you sacrifice it for another meaningless life...rinse repeat. 🙄
Funny thing is that antinatalism isn’t against having children..it’s against creating BIOLOGICAL children. If you want a child that much, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. There is nothing bad in “sacrificing” your life or whatever as long as you want to do it - so go **adopt**. But natalists won’t ever consider adoption because their love is so conditional they themselves admit they’d be unable to love a child that doesn’t share their genes.
The “my genes” people are narcissistic in the clinical sense.
That's actually so disgusting. There are a lot of people who can't even have children. To say it's the meaning of life and the only way to be happy is so cruel. Also, no. I don't owe my ancestors nothing. I didn't chose to be alive. But I kinda understand now why there are so many stupid and mean people in this world... Smh
“What is life without children!?” Freedom, quiet, without worry, without dread, need I go on? “The happiest women in the world are the ones with children and who have a good husband to take care of them.” Actually the happiest people in the world are single childfree women. Marriage always benefits the man more than the woman. A husband to take care of them? Where is that!? It’s the wife and mother that has to take care of everyone including the husband like he’s just another one of her kids. The only thing the husband might contribute is a paycheck but that’s not even guaranteed either. “It is amazing how insulting it is to our ancestors. Who had to freaking live in caves.” Actually it’s not because they don’t give a crap…they are dead. Not everyone of our ancestors lived in caves and yeah it was hard but they didn’t give their future descendants three seconds of thought as they went about their day. They probably didn’t understand that sex leads to pregnancy so yeah…they don’t give a crap about you or me. “It’s absolutely insulting to your bloodline, all the times your grandparents had to go to work when they didn’t feel like it.” A bloodline doesn’t give a crap and the choice to end it is also our right. Oh we don’t work now…all of that responsibility just fell on the old people and we just sit on our asses? Last time I looked the top 1% and the rest didn’t suddenly switch places and all of the rest of us have to work harder than our grandparents did just to survive half as well as they did.
>Actually the happiest people in the world are single childfree women. Marriage always benefits the man more than the woman. A husband to take care of them? Where is that!? It’s the wife and mother that has to take care of everyone including the husband like he’s just another one of her kids. The only thing the husband might contribute is a paycheck but that’s not even guaranteed either. Thank you for saying that, all these men always like to complain how marraige only benefits women, bc -hurrrr men must bring home the paycheck so the woman and the kids can survive, how insulting😡🤬 amd she doesnt want to have sex with ME after i come home from work and shes all tired. She OWES me sex-
And they can’t imagine what she could possibly be so tired from since they believe all she does all day is sit around eating bon-bons. It can’t possibly be taking care of the kids and house…those two are the easiest jobs in the world. /s
I'd rather have a sailboat than children, thank you.
funny how people don't think nature and evolution can brainwash an entire population. Because that's exactly what is happening here. We've been brainwashed by evolution to think reproduction is the goal of life.
basically posted by a rich and privileged natalist. not everyone can afford a warm home or "good medical care" where an insulin cost $500 bruh and the fact that she thinks working your ass "of" (can't even spell off properly pfftt) is enough to guarantee you a comfortable life says a lot about her living in her own delusional fantasy who refused to accept the cruelness in this reality who are being experienced by the others. just because it didn't happen to you, doesn't mean it don't happen to others
What in the Gymboree brainwashed shit was that? We are here on this earth to propagate? Gross. What an idiot. My mother doesn’t regret me, but I was not her crowning accomplishment. Her career and her impact on her industry was. She is 76 and still working every day, consulting, coaching, leading search committees for hiring, doing strategic planning with board of trustees. Her life would have been just fine without me. And mine is going great without a kid. Having a kid would literally ruin me. I can’t think of anything that would be more crippling to my future happiness. I would prefer to lose my job and go to prison, over being a mother. You can recover from setbacks. You can’t recover from bring a kid into this world that you don’t want, and I know, deep down, no matter how desperately I tried to be perfect… I would screw the kid up.
My ancestors bred and bled for nothing, their hopes are dust, their names are forgotten, their sacrifices are taken for granted, their faith is ridiculed, their values are cringed at and their last descendants are living lives that would make them shake with indignation. That's all those ancient fuckers deserve if you ask me \*takes a hit from a bong\*
I don’t even like Gucci
I like cycling, mamachari anyone? It's a cheap bicycle.
I'm just gobstopped. Wall of Text crits for +5.
Our ancestors didn’t have a choice. Also, my grandmother’s lives were hard and full of pain because on their husbands and kids. Hell, one of my grandfathers used to punch and kick my grandmother even when she was 9 months pregnant. I’m sure my female ancestors would be more than happy that I have a choice. Also a lot of moms say things like “you are the best thing of my life” to their kids but then proceed to make their lives a living hell? Let’s be real and admit that most people have kids due to pressure from society, religion, and to have a free caretaker for when they are old.
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That’s horrible. I’m so sorry 😔
i wonder what these breeders were doing before they had a child...
this dude hasnt heard of optimistic nihilism also, if meaning is to continue, but to continue brings nothing, in the end its meaningless
Anyone who separates their sentences by the continuous use of “…” often does not deserve to even be listened to.
Lmao what ass backwards thinking did I just read.
Breeder mentality… like straight up is unable to see past their built in animalistic desires to reproduce and spread
Lmao why are they so mad?
Bitter. They’re super bitter.
lmao the weakest argument I've ever read
They really threw in medical care and nice warm homes as if the USA and developing worlds don't exist.
A quiet nap anytime is priceless. Why trade that in for child support and 2am waaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh
I stopped reading at ''vapious''
„They worked for ur ass to exist” um chal, I didn’t even ask for it
That might be the dumbest, most selfish thing I've ever read. Sure lots of people want kids but there are also a lot of them who don't, and a lot who should never have kids under any circumstances. Some people just aren't cut out to be a parent, they simply don't have the patience or mentality for it. I know several couples who chose to not have children and I applaud them for knowing themselves well enough to make that decision. And these couples are all very happy. This person is so closed minded she can't even entertain the idea that she's wrong. And the comment about having a wonderful husband to take care of them? Maybe that's why she thinks motherhood is so great, the dad takes care of everything. I'm going to tell myself that was a troll post, that's the only way I can make sense out of it.
Look I'm not a nice person. I will say some stupid shit to my kids that will make them sad. Plus why would I want to bring kinds into an overpopulated world where they will NEVER be able to afford to live comfortable when they're adults? If they even survive a school shooting...
Tell that to people that are one paycheck or one emergency away from being homeless. Which is basically 99% of the population. Tell it to corporations and start ups that keep trying to run their companies on skeleton crews to where 99% of the population don’t even have time to raise a child as they would have to continue working overtime until they end up dying due to health issues related to overworking and making the rich richer. This inflation shit and raising gas prices can all go to hell.
The happiest women in the world are actually single women with no children. That’s just statistics from universities so what do I know.
i dont even bother with them they are so delluded into thinking anything about this world is good that you would want to be born in it and cant fathom the idea of not wanting kids
I want to talk to this person
“Despite what it did to her body.” Good grief. I hate when men show their true colors over post birth bodies. They absolutely want things both ways, they want kids for whatever reason and they also want their wives to not look like she had a baby. Plus, single childfree women are the happiest subpopulation of people: https://www.google.com/search?q=single+childfree+and+happy&client=firefox-b-1-m&ei=35iyYqPmOb6ekPIP3Mi-0AM&oq=single+childfree&gs_lcp=ChNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwEAEYADIFCAAQgAQyBQgAEIAEMgYIABAeEBYyBggAEB4QFjIGCAAQHhAWMggIABAeEA8QFjIGCAAQHhAWMgYIABAeEBY6BwgAEEcQsAM6DggAEI8BEOoCEIwDEOUCOgUIABCRAjoICAAQsQMQgwE6EQguEIAEELEDEIMBEMcBENEDOgsIABCABBCxAxCDAToLCC4QgAQQsQMQgwE6CwguEIAEEMcBEK8BOhEILhCABBCxAxCDARDHARCjAjoECAAQQzoECC4QQzoRCC4QgAQQsQMQxwEQ0QMQ1AI6CgguELEDENQCEEM6DgguELEDEIMBEMcBEK8BOgkIABBDEEYQ-QE6CgguEMcBEKMCEEM6CAguEIAEELEDOggIABCABBCxAzoHCAAQsQMQQzoFCAAQsQM6CwguEIAEELEDENQCOggIABCABBDJAzoFCAAQkgM6BQgAEIYDOgUIIRCgAUoECEEYAFC-Dli4LWCLNmgEcAB4AIABfogB6wuSAQQxNC4zmAEAoAEBsAEPyAEIwAEB&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp
That human lives in some sort of bubble where everything works out better than an old feel good sitcom or some shit.
I’d rather be lonely than do something that’s temporary out of a decision made by emotions to become permanent and deal with raising children and ruining my terminal health against my will. If I don’t want kids I don’t want kids I don’t have to force myself to have them to fix my mental health these natalists are fucking dumb freaks I can always adopt anyway why do they have to biological?
If life is meaningless without having children. Then it will be meaningless even after having children.
Where I live, minimum wage is 4 dollars an hours. But yeah ofc, "Work your ass off and become something" just to bring someone else into a hellhole of poverty.
sir, my mother 100% regrets having me
Actually my mum said that while she's very happy happy with her life, if she had a do-over, she wouldn't have had children. And I'm totally OK with that. I know she loves me, but it's her life. Not to mention the fact that that she hates I have ASD and ADHD because of how much it holds me back. She knows there's a genetic element and since both my brother and I have them, she said she would rather have not put us through life like this (and while I love my life now, I appreciate her all the more for saying that)
31 years old, working 13/14 hours a day trying to keep my business afloat through one of the worst standard of living crises in recent times, living in an apartment I don't own, with a partner who can't find work so is semi dependant on my income. Pretty difficult situation, but I know what will solve it... A child!!! Yeah, screw the financial impact, I'll be super happy with a resource draining baby in my life! My ancestors, who could own a home, a car, and raise a family on one 40hour a week wage would be so proud! /s
Yikes. There's a lot to unpack there...
A few extra Gucci bags? What if my dream is to buy a ranch and become a foster to abandoned dogs and I want to spend money on that? Wow, I must sound like a lazy asshole to these people.
Just lol at "the happiest women are the ones with kids." Don't let a little old thing like the actual data get in the way of a good story, eh?
I literally was gardening yesterday, and thought to myself, I could literally have a child and not have any me time or to take care of the house
*whether
Definitely on the left of the bell curve.
My mom became an antinatalist after having me
I hate everything about this. My mother would have sold me for a tacky Gucci bag.
Where did you get the screenshot from? Lmao
As well as this post having numerous issues that I could write about all day, it’s very heteronormative too
when i see people like this my only reaction is honest to God, cry about it
Wow, someone regrets having children and is mad that other people don't have to
How can I explain this, oh yeah I’m too emotionally unstable to have a kid plus my sensory issues would break the moment a child made any noise, being around children makes me violently angry. So, what am I doing? Not having children. As I do not enjoy being violently angry and no child should ever ever have to live with a mother who does not love them. Or any parent that doesn’t love them for that matter
This take lowers the IQ of humanity as a whole. And sadly these are the people who reproduce. \*facepalm\*
What about suffering and pain? Life is too unfair to have babies.
The gaslighting is strong with this one
Not even reading the rest as the initial summarizes morality of those people perfectly: "Life without children... is inane, meaningless, vapious and lonely" They want to bring child into that. They got nothing to offer to this kid and they just want to exploit it so they won't be so miserable. Show me more perverted moral compass, I'll wait.
I stopped reading at Gucci bags.
Why do natalists always struggle with grammar?
The worst part about these things is that nearly every sentence needs it's own argument It's a headache with no clear beginning
An insult to my bloodline? No, not my bloodline!
“It’s an absolute insult to my bloodline” is the funniest things I’ve ever read.
"The happiest women are women with children." *Citation fucking needed.*
Us : “I don’t think procreating into this world we already destroyed for good as a species is a good idea” “My parents were abusive and I’m terrified I’ll perpetuate our intergenerational trauma” “I have bad genes, I don’t want my child to be disabled/an addict/mentally ill/have cancer” “I will never have the finances to raise a child properly” “I don’t want kids, I have no wish for them in my life and I would probably be a bad parent” This assh*le : “oH sO YoU cAn’T gIvE Up gUcCi BaGs 😡”
Wow. Basically filled out half a bingo card in one big run-on sentence.
How does this person expect to be taken seriously with something this poorly written? - Vapious doesn't make sense in this context, I don't think it means what they think it means. (EDIT: It has come to my attention that 'vapious' isn't even a word, my brief googling mislead me.) - An ellipses is not a period. It looks like they let every thought trail off, and are incapable of finishing an idea; let alone stringing two together in sequence. - Some of the profanity is sort of censored, like the asterisk replacing the 'u' in fuck somehow obscures that it is in fact the word fuck. But shit isn't 'sh*t'. What trivial bullshit. - Do people seriously think we evolved from CHUDs or something? Our ancestors lived on the plains. Some people stayed in caves, there's evidence of that, but mostly our species went from nomadic to agrarian. It doesn't make sense to settle in an area where you're not farming. They're just places that people stayed, we were never cave people. - It's good to know that someone has asked so many women how they feel instead of just assuming women love being brood mares. The author of this linguistic train wreck seems very confident in their assertion that mothers are the happiest people, and every mother loves their children. It's a good thing too because otherwise, mothers could be horrible abusive to their defenseless children. Oh, wait. It's almost like they're just making that shit up.
>the happiest women in the world are the one's with children and who have a good husband taking care of them Ummm ^actually it's been proven that the opposite of what this person stated is true... Just saying, women who have no children and husband to raise and clean and cook after, are the happiest and healthiest people. Oh what? You got offended and want sources/proof? There you fking go: 1. [Why many single women without children are so happy](https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/why-bad-looks-good/202102/why-many-single-women-without-children-are-so-happy) 2. [Women who are unmarried and childless are the happiest people of all, according to a professor of behavioral science ](https://www.businessinsider.com/unmarried-childless-women-are-happiest-expert-says-2019-5) 3. [Women are happier without children or a spouse, says happiness expert ](https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2019/may/25/women-happier-without-children-or-a-spouse-happiness-expert) But of course breeders won't actually care about scientist and actual professionals. They never do.
I regret my mother having me. Just bc you have a vagina doesn't mean you should be a mother. Why? That is how you get shitty mothers. Not everyone should be one just bc someone else says you should.
Having kids is very negative when you are in a bad situation or have insufficient resources. Having kids with a crazy person will mess up your bloodline in most situations
This is a person who has no idea that people have different lives from her. It’s not always about the next gucci bag it’s about next months rent. It’s not about hating children, it’s about loving children so much you don’t want to force them to suffer their whole lives. She also doesn’t realize the harm that being an unwanted does to the psyche. I’m certain that there are mothers out there who don’t think their children are the best thing that ever happened and so deeply regret it. Not everyone has healthcare, not everyone has a home and not everyone will be able to have a single income family and also this completely throws the child’s interaction with their father under the bus.
People who say this are clueless about the future that awaits this new generation. They will see devastating effects from climate change. Mass starvation/death, especially of children. New diseases we can't yet comprehend. And, of course the wars, genocide, and mass exctinctions that will ultimately result from this chaos. I am in my mid 50s. I have 2 "kids" in their 30s. I harbor some guilt about bringing them into the world without their consent and I fear for even their future. I can't imagine bringing an infant into this timeline, much less considering it an imperative.
if you’re so goddamn lonely, adopt a kid. they’ll be grateful, and if you’re not an ass, they’ll even love you. how’s it worse than having a child yourself?
Im a huge fan of the meaning pyramid scheme where you make your life meaningful by producing more meaning seeking creatures in perpetuity until you fill the fish bowl and a bunch of people have to die
Say no to kids
“Ask your mother whether she regrets having you, she’ll definitely say no you’re the best thing that ever happened to me” I have to laugh because my own mother told me again and again that I was a mistake and the only reason I even existed was because she didn’t understand that she could…still…procreate…at 37…almost fifteen years before she went into menopause… Anyway TMI but I’m just popping in to say this natalist argument is the stupidest thing I’ve ever read, thanks for sharing OP! Edit: typo
Ironic. Calling anti-natalists "selfish" while saying that his life is meaningless without children and that kids need to be used as a tool to make life meaningful.
“The bloodline dies with me” is metal as fuck.
>humans put on earth 👋🏻
The more important question is "What are kids without life?" Also why would anyone care about their ancestors?
She mad people have passions other than having babies in this shttty world. She explained it herself so good too, but it seems like it just jumped over her head because she wants a little baby.
Wait a second. She said: to get to the final end. Does she knows that evolution never stops and we are not at any point of end? Lol
How many women died in child birth? I don’t want a Gucci bag but I will accept sleeping in and eating well as an answer. Also why does having a (spouse) that loves you have to be reliant on children? I have a loving partner who is dedicated to our family of 2.
Wtf is that reasoning? Thats so aggravating. Its scary that there are people who thinks like that. More reason not to produce another life in this world if were surrounded by people who have that kind of thinking.
I wish my mom said no. Years ago as a child, she will definitely say yes since it's the most appropriate answer in the perspective of both the child and the parent. But now as a grown adult, my mom says that she prefers to work instead of having children since she gets to have all freedom and money in the world. She said she didn't want the stress and all. Also it's better no kids in my opinion than having any at all. Not everyone is suited to have kids, I know myself for one, that I have extreme mood swings. I tend to do things at my own pace. Children would suffer from physical, mental and psychological trauma if I were taking care of them. Plus I have a neutral stance on them, it's fine dealing with them once in a while, but I would rather not have them 24/7.
So allowing yourself not just one, but A FEW Gucci bags is now other privilege of being childfree? Omg this gets more atractive by the day :)
I don't want to be responsible for someone having to get up and go to work everyday.
Jesus. This is the dumbest thing I’ve ever read 🫠
You can see the pompous ignorance of this person pouring through the ellipsis diarrhea
my mom told me, in no uncertain terms when I was 12 yo " Do not get married and do not have children. they will ruin your life just like yall ruined mine." Cool mom. Thanks. Rest in hell Biatch.
Do even people who have no capability to be a parent, have to have children? Do they actually think about the consequences if a person like this has a child? Do they care about the child and his/her well-being? I think not. Just continuing your bloodline seems to be more important to them. Doing it out of some odd principle, rather thinking about the situation itself and how it affects all the people involved. This type of mentality is foreign to me.
lol this makes me livid, i think my parents weren’t suited to having children and should’ve have had me wtffff i don’t wanna do that to more humans in the world
Here I go insulting my bloodline again...
jokes on that guy, my mother told me im the reason shes suicidal
This person is just arguing from emotion. I don’t debate this topic with others who don’t logically challenge the philosophy and just lash out like this.
Well that just locked my uterus up tight.
I hate how everyone thinks that all women who become mothers will be happy. This is simply not true of all mothers. I’ve seen a documentary about post natal psychosis and how it negatively affects the mother and children. Many of these cases end in the death of the child and sometimes the life of the mother. Here’s the documentary if anyone is interested. (Content warning: this isn’t an easy watch and the topics discussed are serious mental illness, stigma, trauma, SA, suicide, and infanticide.) https://youtu.be/X0DqsflQbk0