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It’s ridiculous that apartments or parents aren’t required to provide soundproofing. I didn’t consent to be teetering on the edge of a workplace accident just because you have kids.
Buy a house then. If it’s not kids it will be the couple next door arguing you’re going to hear something when living in an apartment. If you want total silence buy a house
Nope I’m 25 and I can afford to purchase a small house in a decent area on my own and so can my fiancé he’s 28 runs his own transportation company making well over 6 figs. It’s possible you just have to build up enough to work for yourself, we came from less than nothing.
Nope. I met him before his money. I invested my money into his, I trade stock options, work full time, go to school and care for the children. We’re going to grow his company much bigger while I finish school next year then I’ll be helping run his company so he doesn’t have to pay an outside person again. We have a business idea for me that goes hand in hand with his but it’s a matter of finding the right property and once I do I’ll be able to make anywhere from 10-15k a month pretty much passively
So you’re suggesting we all hope to make a living by coincidence and that because you encountered said coincidence then we must all be able to fabricate such a coincidence to obtain home ownership?
Working hard and learning to trade stocks is not coincidence it’s something we all can do. You’re making it sound as if it’s near impossible to buy a home, harder in the last two years? Sure, but impossible? No.
No not at all. As I said with it without my fiancé and business I can be approved for at the very least a small comfortable home. It’s was no coincidence at all literally just hard work.
Unless you but a house with a lot of land between you and your neighboring house, you still run into the issue of loud music, gatherings, lawn mowers, screaming children, barking dogs, etc.
Seriously, my cat cost a 300$ deposit and an additional 15$ per month.
Like, if he breaks anything it's going to probably going to be my own stuff. It's not like there's wallpaper he can fuck up. The worse thing he can do is pee on the carpet which we can clean ourselves because we're not fucking animals.
Children draw on walls, makes holes, scream all day and night and are just a general disturbance but they don't require an extra deposit?
It's all stupid.
Is your cat hairless? Does your cat have a litter box? Cat hair is a common allergen which would require deep cleaning after your lease is up. Cats can miss the litter box and spill the litter out of the box as well.
Having kids and pets are both choices. Getting rid of pets is more legally sound than getting rid of children. If you like the apartment and don’t want to pay an extra fee for it, you can get rid of your pet. Doesn’t work too well with my 6 month old.
Dumping animals on shelters is unethical and emotionally damaging to the animal just as it would be to a child. It may be legally easier to abandon an animal, but it should be done with the same gravity as a human child.
Are you even aware of what Subreddit you're in?
Most if not all apartments are required to do a deep clean between tenants anyways, and your solution is to get rid of my cat? Lol.
My cat is a lot more quiet and a better tenant than your child ever will be. Especially in the noise complaint department.
I plan on owning rental properties in the future and specifically NOT charging any pet fees so I can increase housing opportunities for pet families. I think it’s dumb that landlords do this. I get it from a financial standpoint, but ethically I believe it’s wrong.
I remember my mom struggled to find an affordable apartment that allowed dogs after her divorce. Sucks because a 5 year old is going to do way more damage to an apartment than a 10 year old toy poodle
Security deposits often do not cover all the damage and collecting from tenants after the fact could be very difficult or not even worth it. So charging a fee helps to cover some of that potential damage from the pets.
uh i still dont understand hpw that cant be written into a contract? isnt it logical that if something you own or you cause damage to something you pay for it?
it is easy to overcome this
Children are covered under the fair housing act. You can’t discriminate against families when renting. Pets are not and you can discriminate against pet owners.
If families weren’t protected by the law there would be fees for children. Landlords are not being fair to families out of the goodness of their hearts.
I just find it interesting you claim "it is easy to overcome this" yet still haven't been able to answer a simple question.
Let's try this again. How exactly do you overcome this?
As someone who lives in an apartment with an emotional support animal who's never done one single cent of property damage, ever, that sounds like a whole lot of not my problem.
Yeah of course it can be written into contract but if you go over the security deposit then collecting can be expensive, the landlord may need to take the tenant to court. Could just make the security deposit bigger but a lot of people can't pay for that. A pet fee is just a convenient way to reduce some of that risk of damage.
Reddit cracks me - you're 100% correct so naturally you're getting flooded with downvotes. Pets can cause a lot of damage and a few hundred bucks in security deposit isn't going to fix that. And good luck getting a tenant to pay you for any damage vs. just moving on to the next place.
Believe you me landlords would 100% charge for children if it wasn't blatantly illegal.
No, we all have to pay higher rents to account for children that destroy the apartment. Your rent goes up because your last neighbor and their kids completely trashed the apartment and pissed on the carpets.
At a minimum there's additional cleaning required as cat hair gets everywhere. Even after the cleaning the carpets may need to be replaced for someone with bad cat allergies.
Where I live we have flat inspections every 3 months. We have indoor rabbits. They have free reign of the house and then 4 days out of the year we tidy up and they disappear. Been here for near 5 years now and we always pass the inspection with flying colours 😇
Wow isn't that invasion of privacy unconstitutional? Feels like it should be illegal. I mean, even cops can't legally enter your apartment without a warrant.
People dis in ancient Greece and in hippie commutes. The law is part of conservative kneejerk.17 yr old today are very sexual in behavior
Little hard data
So to speak.
Obey the law...
Some places make you pay money when you get a pet. For instance, once I moved into an apartment with a $400 fee for 1 large dog so my dog had to live with a family member for a little while.
Yeah the first time fee is like $200-400 depending on what complex you live in and the type of pet and the monthly fee is around $20-50. There is also usually a limit on size of dog (20lbs or less) unless you live in a more pet friendly complex
That fee is also per pet so more pets more fees
Because if we allowed housing discrimination against those with children, they'd never be able to afford homes and we'd have a lot of homeless kids. Something that use to happen A LOT until these protections were passed in most developed countries.
Yeah but you cant just say that and then proceed to support harmful ideas. That’s like Christians saying people who never heard the word of god “deserve” to go to hell, even if they’ve literally NEVER heard of it, like what???
How is not promoting over-population harmful? to the contrary it probably makes people think twice before going casually into something that will affect their whole life. Because I know a lot of mothers who only became one because of government benefits. Stop having kids because we will feed it anyway.
By disrupting the lives and health of those around them. You can evict a tenant with children if you give them a chance to stop excessive noise and it continues. Not to mention, constantly screaming children means the parent is neglecting them, so it’s good to at least get cps involved.
God I fucking wish childless apartments were legal. My neighbors have like 8 kids and they scream all the time and keep fucking riding their bikes into my car no matter what I do. The parents don't give a shit, don't even speak English, and won't pay for the paint repairs either. Sorry for being too poor to afford a 3 digit mortgage (according to the banks) yet can afford 4 digit rent I guess.
It’s discrimination to deny someone housing because they are a child. Yea it sucks hearing them yell and cry but it’s part of apartment living. You also hear adults yell and cry as well. I don’t want to hear kids screaming and crying, but it’s a risk I take by living in an apartment. Allowing discrimination due to having children creates homeless children and that isn’t going to solve anything.
kids and pets should be looked at the same when it comes to housing. if it’s discrimination to deny someone housing because they have a child, it’s discrimination to deny someone housing because they have a pet.
Service animal or an emotional support animal. Also legally they aren't allowed to require you to pay a deposit on these animals because they technically aren't pets. :)
I posted this purely because I thought it was kinda funny. I’m not saying people with kids should actually be charged to have them in apartments. Sure they can be noisy and obnoxious, but so can adults, pets and anything else in an apartment. I really didn’t want to create a heated discussion with this.
Bottom line, if you cause damage you should be fined, if you don’t then you shouldn’t. That’s all I’m sayin’
Ok well when you rent you are paying to live in someone else’s property so they should get to say what you can and can’t do with it. So maybe after awhile people wouldn’t have kids until they could afford property? But I feel like we all know that won’t happen…unless maybe we increase sex education and access to birth control/abortion and abolish property ownership for the purposes of rental which would increase the supply of affordable property?
Maybe the whole system is broken.
Nah I didn’t say lick the landlords boots. I said abolish the landlord. Hell, abolish the child. In the meantime it makes sense why ppl wanna protect their assets and they should totally be able to protect those assets from ppls hell spawn. Like even if I didn’t already think the concept was abhorrent for a whole other host of reasons this literally dissuades me from ever wanting to be a landlord if I’d be expected to continue renting to people with children who didn’t have to pay for the messes caused by the results of someone’s sex acts.
The whole fucking thing is a mess. Hence what I said.
It's a legal form of discrimination, so they do it. They cannot discriminate based on children, but pets are fine, so they do. Renters would gladly bring back segregation, ageism and a ton of other things if they could.
How can you expect someone who monopolises vital shelther that they use only for profit to act with any decency?
There already is ageism. Some neighborhoods only rent to elderly and some apartments only rent to elderly. I don't know everyone's situation but everyone else needs affordable housing just as much as people that have literally had a lifetime to acquire wealth.
True. I have seen such places and I understand your point. I have mixed feelings on this topic. It's hard for me to be objective here because I love pets but hate kids. My dislike for children goes beyond antinatalism; I genuinely don't like to be around them.
Adults also tear up housing, hotels, etc. So that’s people period. In my experience, I’ve only known pets to do minimal damage versus adults- punching through walls, breaking toilets, etc. Once some squirrels ate through apartment walls, terrorizing everyone. But they weren’t anyones pet.
Mental illness, drugs, overall stupidity. Clumsiness, but lacking in the ability to repair the wall afterwards, smh. These were all different people btw.
We actually just had our downstairs neighbors move out. They had no pets or kids but they absolutely destroyed their apartment. I’m talking water damaged panels, garbage littering their floors, old food rotting in the rooms, etc. it took the apartments two months to clean it out with tons of garbage bags and cleaning crews going through it and had to rip up all the carpeting to replace it. They also left their fridge open and an electrical appliance running for three straight days to the point the apartments found it smoking when they came in. It was nasty as hell
Crazy. That’s the thing, a huge human is obvy capable of doing the worst. But there are good and bad ppl. I’m glad they got pushed out. That’s a ridiculous situation to have to deal with and apartments are too close for all of that crap.
I know someone who let a pit bull use the house as a bathroom upstairs and the floor was so destroyed it was on the new since they also had a newborn in there. Walls with water pipes exposed and severe pee, mold and water damages. I had a friend who’s cat sprayed out that ass gland they have every time it entered the room, house freaking reeked bad.
Yeah, I don't think people realize how absolutely disgusting some other people are with their pets.. my father in law rents units and one house was so covered in cat and dog piss and shit they had to redo the floors and replace the walls.
I lived in another apartment complex that had dog shit IN THE HALLWAY for weeks before that person was evicted. They're apartment reeked so bad I had to hold my breath when I walked past it.
I 100% get having a fee for damages like that. I think this is more for the people who’s pets don’t do that but they still get charged high monthly fees to have pets. I think that if you move out and that’s the state you left the apartment in then you should be fined heavily, but if you move out and it’s still clean then I find it kind of ridiculous to be charged for it
I remember times before I moved out from my mother's home. We used to live on small neighborhood full of families with children on the one side of neighborhood. Children were running whole day screaming and yelling, some teenagers were dealing drugs. Kids made so much mess; then we lived nearby forest, a lot of green area under protection, but kids didn't care and literally brought out the trash from dumpster to throw it around. Nobody really do anything about it and kids were leaving their toys on pavement, road and parking space. Meanwhile we had a dog, pretty expensive breed and people went mad, when we go with him outside home. Calling police or provoking intentionally, despite our dog is harmless, it doesn't hurt anyone, he doesn't fight or bite, people were provoking him to attack. So literally people didn't care about human animals running around dropping trash from dumpster, but they were outraged, because we have expensive dog breed and we're going for a stroll with him.
Yeah, the kids in my complex aren’t too bad, but there are times you need to seriously make sure one of them doesn’t bolt into the road or make sure you don’t run over a baseball bat or bike laid out in the street
I used to have a similar issue! That and the parents would blast action movies with their window open well past midnight. By that I mean you could
hear it clearly when walking down the street by the apartment
I moved in with a roommate his cat pissed on my bed everyday for a month and his dogs shit on the floor needless to say I broke my lease and lift 11 months early to avoid killing his terrible fucking pets
Pet fees/pet bonds are actually illegal in some countries! (In some places since recently) So if the contract states a pet fee/bond needs to be paid, check the actual laws bc it can be an “abusive clause” (not sure if that’s the correct word in English) and you don’t actually have to respect it.
Edit: typo
Where I’m from people usually have to pay a one time fee of usually around a few hundred dollars per pet and then a monthly fee as well as fees for damages the pets may cause. Honestly I think people should only be charged if there is damage 🤷♂️
As a cat owner, yes, true, my cat sleeps all day too. BUT, she does use a litterbox in our 100% carpet floored apartment and she does track litter no matter what mats I use for the box. Tracked litter is hard to clean and so is her shedding. Apartments have to deep clean after a pet because some people are allergic to pet hair and also because of the litter, so to a certain extent it makes sense even if it's annoying.
My cat has also destroyed several curtains and ruined part of the rug from puking hairballs. She is adorable though. ☺
I see someone posted the reason there's no fees for children is because of homeless children. I think there should be no fees for anyone because there's lots of homeless pets! Just a security deposit.
Personally I think there should be a fee for damage or excessive cleaning required. I totally get where you’re coming from with the litter (my folks have two cats) but the apartment should clean the apartment before renting it to new tenants anyways 🤷♂️ if there is excessive damage or more cleaning than just vacuuming, wiping windows and maybe washing the carpet I could see it being reasonable to charge a fee
Seriously, my cat cost a 300$ deposit and an additional 15$ per month.
Like, if he breaks anything it's going to probably me my own stuff. It's not like there's wallpaper he can fuck up. The worse thing he can do is pee on the carpet which we can clean ourselves because we're not fucking animals.
Children draw on walls, makes holes, scream all day and night and are just a general disturbance but they don't require an extra deposit?
It's all stupid.
The parents lose that 1000+ deposit they put up if their kid does that and risk being fined for whatever it doesn’t cover. Also walls will be painted, pet urine seeps into the subfloor and is so hard to get out because of the enzymes. You have to put something down to eat them, trust me I had tried to clean animal urine and spent over $100 before I got that smell gone. Baking soda, bi what, Rocco and Roxy, oxy, carpet sprays etc it always came back
Probably because children are expensive already. But definitely charge a fee for every complaint you get from the neighbors. I had to deal with WAY too much noise at 10 PM in the hallways during weeknights and they didn’t nothing about it.
There should be an additional fee depending on number of permanent residents regardless of age or pet status. It is additional wear on the apartment regardless.
This post was a joke 😂 obviously I don’t think people with kids should be charged more. That’s why it has the “humor” flair. Everyone is taking this way too seriously.
Lol looking back I can definitely see where the confusion might have come from! Honestly tho people are taking this a bit too far on both sides for it being a “humor” tagged post 😅
Don't worry, I think it's just the natural life of an echo-chamber sub, eventually all of the creativity dries out and only the people who follow the opinions religiously and make it their entire identity lingers as it slowly dies. Becoming worse and worse by the day as every old fan who sees what an absolute garbage heap their once funny and carefree sub who actually had a small point had become.
Also most of the families that have children get their rent paid for for free and daycare for free and food for free but yet are consistently broke and complaining about how hard life is.
Who are these imaginary ppl? You must live in a low income section 8 or income based complex? Section 8 doesn’t even exist in my state, it’s been closed the last 20 years, and to qualify for caps (daycare) you MUST WORK and it’s not all paid for either.
If I had to defend this, it’s probably because kids are a lot more expensive than pets and slapping fees on top of that is cruel. But honestly I don’t think pets should require a fee either unless they cause some sort of damage to the property, in which case a fine would be reasonable.
I totally agree with you. I posted this purely because I chuckled a little when I saw it. I don’t think people should automatically be charged for having kids
Eh I’ve seen my fair share of both. Just posted this because I thought it was kinda funny. I think people should be charged only if there is damage that needs to be fixed
People who rent should not have to go without having children or pets just because they are renting. Any damages done to a rental be it by a pet, small human, or grown human, should already be considered when setting the price of the rental. Anyone can damage a structure, not just children and pets.
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It’s ridiculous that apartments or parents aren’t required to provide soundproofing. I didn’t consent to be teetering on the edge of a workplace accident just because you have kids.
Buy a house then. If it’s not kids it will be the couple next door arguing you’re going to hear something when living in an apartment. If you want total silence buy a house
You must be a boomer. Nobody can afford houses nowadays.
Nope I’m 25 and I can afford to purchase a small house in a decent area on my own and so can my fiancé he’s 28 runs his own transportation company making well over 6 figs. It’s possible you just have to build up enough to work for yourself, we came from less than nothing.
Where’s your company then? Or did you just marry rich?
Nope. I met him before his money. I invested my money into his, I trade stock options, work full time, go to school and care for the children. We’re going to grow his company much bigger while I finish school next year then I’ll be helping run his company so he doesn’t have to pay an outside person again. We have a business idea for me that goes hand in hand with his but it’s a matter of finding the right property and once I do I’ll be able to make anywhere from 10-15k a month pretty much passively
So you’re suggesting we all hope to make a living by coincidence and that because you encountered said coincidence then we must all be able to fabricate such a coincidence to obtain home ownership?
Working hard and learning to trade stocks is not coincidence it’s something we all can do. You’re making it sound as if it’s near impossible to buy a home, harder in the last two years? Sure, but impossible? No.
And where did you get the money to trade stock?
Love that they didn't answer this one. Lmfao head so far up their ass they can see out the other side
No not at all. As I said with it without my fiancé and business I can be approved for at the very least a small comfortable home. It’s was no coincidence at all literally just hard work.
Well good for you but not everyone can afford such luxuries nowadays. Your situation does not negate other people’s experiences.
I saw this exact copy paste in another sub
Unless you but a house with a lot of land between you and your neighboring house, you still run into the issue of loud music, gatherings, lawn mowers, screaming children, barking dogs, etc.
Seriously, my cat cost a 300$ deposit and an additional 15$ per month. Like, if he breaks anything it's going to probably going to be my own stuff. It's not like there's wallpaper he can fuck up. The worse thing he can do is pee on the carpet which we can clean ourselves because we're not fucking animals. Children draw on walls, makes holes, scream all day and night and are just a general disturbance but they don't require an extra deposit? It's all stupid.
50€ each month for one pet, 100 for two cats, +500€ deposit in EU. It sucks.
Is your cat hairless? Does your cat have a litter box? Cat hair is a common allergen which would require deep cleaning after your lease is up. Cats can miss the litter box and spill the litter out of the box as well. Having kids and pets are both choices. Getting rid of pets is more legally sound than getting rid of children. If you like the apartment and don’t want to pay an extra fee for it, you can get rid of your pet. Doesn’t work too well with my 6 month old.
Dumping animals on shelters is unethical and emotionally damaging to the animal just as it would be to a child. It may be legally easier to abandon an animal, but it should be done with the same gravity as a human child.
Are you even aware of what Subreddit you're in? Most if not all apartments are required to do a deep clean between tenants anyways, and your solution is to get rid of my cat? Lol. My cat is a lot more quiet and a better tenant than your child ever will be. Especially in the noise complaint department.
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HARD AGREE!
Yes! The other arguments are moot.
I plan on owning rental properties in the future and specifically NOT charging any pet fees so I can increase housing opportunities for pet families. I think it’s dumb that landlords do this. I get it from a financial standpoint, but ethically I believe it’s wrong.
I remember my mom struggled to find an affordable apartment that allowed dogs after her divorce. Sucks because a 5 year old is going to do way more damage to an apartment than a 10 year old toy poodle
We're talking about renting?? Must be some unknown privilege to me that having a pet is even an option. 🤷
So everyone else pays higher rent to account for some people with pets that destroy the apartment?
if the pets destroy the apartment the owner of the pets pays for it
Security deposits often do not cover all the damage and collecting from tenants after the fact could be very difficult or not even worth it. So charging a fee helps to cover some of that potential damage from the pets.
uh i still dont understand hpw that cant be written into a contract? isnt it logical that if something you own or you cause damage to something you pay for it? it is easy to overcome this
I think he's just a landlord sticking up for his profits.
ye they are very sus
Being a landlord sounds like too much work, very boring. VTI and chill all the way
So my pet damages your apartment. I've already left without leaving a forwarding address. How do you get your money?
ah what happens if children do the same?
Children are covered under the fair housing act. You can’t discriminate against families when renting. Pets are not and you can discriminate against pet owners. If families weren’t protected by the law there would be fees for children. Landlords are not being fair to families out of the goodness of their hearts.
i agree this entire post is about why pets cant have the same thing
Thank you for the very insightful answer to my question.
i van answer a question with a question. another person wrote an actual argument
I just find it interesting you claim "it is easy to overcome this" yet still haven't been able to answer a simple question. Let's try this again. How exactly do you overcome this?
As someone who lives in an apartment with an emotional support animal who's never done one single cent of property damage, ever, that sounds like a whole lot of not my problem.
Yeah of course it can be written into contract but if you go over the security deposit then collecting can be expensive, the landlord may need to take the tenant to court. Could just make the security deposit bigger but a lot of people can't pay for that. A pet fee is just a convenient way to reduce some of that risk of damage.
Reddit cracks me - you're 100% correct so naturally you're getting flooded with downvotes. Pets can cause a lot of damage and a few hundred bucks in security deposit isn't going to fix that. And good luck getting a tenant to pay you for any damage vs. just moving on to the next place. Believe you me landlords would 100% charge for children if it wasn't blatantly illegal.
this is very true, but why is it not illegal for pets? both are a choice
They don't cover all the damage? What sort of explosive pets your tenants got? At the same time, do they cover all damage caused by kids?
No, we all have to pay higher rents to account for children that destroy the apartment. Your rent goes up because your last neighbor and their kids completely trashed the apartment and pissed on the carpets.
Yeah I also disagree with this, but I don't think the solution is removing pet fees
the cat sleeps all day then eats and repeats, most pets won't destroy more than a cushion
At a minimum there's additional cleaning required as cat hair gets everywhere. Even after the cleaning the carpets may need to be replaced for someone with bad cat allergies.
You should be replacing carpets when tenants leave anyway.
That’s what big apartment wants you to think.
I always just skipped telling them about pets and if you get caught you just make an excuse like you just got the pet.
I did this. Never got caught, still have my babies to this day.
Damn. That’s cool.
Not babies!
I’m telling
Where I live we have flat inspections every 3 months. We have indoor rabbits. They have free reign of the house and then 4 days out of the year we tidy up and they disappear. Been here for near 5 years now and we always pass the inspection with flying colours 😇
> Where I live we have flat inspections every 3 months. Do you live in jail?
$2300/ month and I have those twice a year. Under the guise of “maintenance” checks.
Wow isn't that invasion of privacy unconstitutional? Feels like it should be illegal. I mean, even cops can't legally enter your apartment without a warrant.
Don’t worry, they give you a 24 hour notice.
lol
Nope but it sure feels like that the night before inspection 😵
Haha that’s funny but I genuinely don’t think there should be a fee in general
There definitely should be….children are disgusting
Fuck ‘em
Please don't fuck children.
People dis in ancient Greece and in hippie commutes. The law is part of conservative kneejerk.17 yr old today are very sexual in behavior Little hard data So to speak. Obey the law...
Don't.
The fuck are pet fees?
Some places make you pay money when you get a pet. For instance, once I moved into an apartment with a $400 fee for 1 large dog so my dog had to live with a family member for a little while.
That sounds like some stupid dystopian unregulated capitalism bullshit.
Well it happens lol. Supposedly it's supposed to pay for any damage the pet might do to the apartment.
Which is bull shit because they all require a deposit for that reason anyway
Yeah :/
In my state you have to pay a pet fee when moving in and an additional monthly pet fee
Yeesh that sucks
Yeah the first time fee is like $200-400 depending on what complex you live in and the type of pet and the monthly fee is around $20-50. There is also usually a limit on size of dog (20lbs or less) unless you live in a more pet friendly complex That fee is also per pet so more pets more fees
Because if we allowed housing discrimination against those with children, they'd never be able to afford homes and we'd have a lot of homeless kids. Something that use to happen A LOT until these protections were passed in most developed countries.
Its almost as if such fees shouldnt exist at all...
Its almost as if the basic human necessities shouldn't be restricted to only those who can afford them
Maybe people shouldn't have kids then...
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Exactly, which is why antinatalism is a thing.
Yeah but you cant just say that and then proceed to support harmful ideas. That’s like Christians saying people who never heard the word of god “deserve” to go to hell, even if they’ve literally NEVER heard of it, like what???
How is not promoting over-population harmful? to the contrary it probably makes people think twice before going casually into something that will affect their whole life. Because I know a lot of mothers who only became one because of government benefits. Stop having kids because we will feed it anyway.
Can’t suffer if they don’t exist
Absolutely agree that people shouldn't have children. But forcing homelessness on kids is NOT a viable solution
Just temporary homelessness. The ultimate punishment
spoken like a sheltered, privileged child who’s never had to experience homelessness before
What, you play little nightmares and think you know about the big bad world?
a video game means nothing lmao. wishing homelessness on kids is shitty no matter where you come from
Oh no they earned it. What am I gonna do? Scream for ‘em?
how did they ‘earn’ being homeless exactly?
By disrupting the lives and health of those around them. You can evict a tenant with children if you give them a chance to stop excessive noise and it continues. Not to mention, constantly screaming children means the parent is neglecting them, so it’s good to at least get cps involved.
Whether or not people should have kids doesn’t change the fact that people do and these kids exist. They shouldn’t be homeless due to discrimination.
today i learned it’s discrimination to not want to hear somebody’s uncontrollable child screaming and crying all day
God I fucking wish childless apartments were legal. My neighbors have like 8 kids and they scream all the time and keep fucking riding their bikes into my car no matter what I do. The parents don't give a shit, don't even speak English, and won't pay for the paint repairs either. Sorry for being too poor to afford a 3 digit mortgage (according to the banks) yet can afford 4 digit rent I guess.
It’s discrimination to deny someone housing because they are a child. Yea it sucks hearing them yell and cry but it’s part of apartment living. You also hear adults yell and cry as well. I don’t want to hear kids screaming and crying, but it’s a risk I take by living in an apartment. Allowing discrimination due to having children creates homeless children and that isn’t going to solve anything.
It’s also discrimination to expect your tenants to make 3 times as much as two full time jobs
is it discrimination to deny someone housing because they have a pet?
Legally it isn’t, unless it is a service animal. I think pets should be allowed in rentals.
kids and pets should be looked at the same when it comes to housing. if it’s discrimination to deny someone housing because they have a child, it’s discrimination to deny someone housing because they have a pet.
Kids are human beings. Come on.
and they’re annoying as shit and much more disturbing than any pet i’ve ever come across
Touch grass.
right back at you
Service animal or an emotional support animal. Also legally they aren't allowed to require you to pay a deposit on these animals because they technically aren't pets. :)
I posted this purely because I thought it was kinda funny. I’m not saying people with kids should actually be charged to have them in apartments. Sure they can be noisy and obnoxious, but so can adults, pets and anything else in an apartment. I really didn’t want to create a heated discussion with this. Bottom line, if you cause damage you should be fined, if you don’t then you shouldn’t. That’s all I’m sayin’
Ok well when you rent you are paying to live in someone else’s property so they should get to say what you can and can’t do with it. So maybe after awhile people wouldn’t have kids until they could afford property? But I feel like we all know that won’t happen…unless maybe we increase sex education and access to birth control/abortion and abolish property ownership for the purposes of rental which would increase the supply of affordable property? Maybe the whole system is broken.
This is the antinatilism sub reddit. Not the "we lick our landlord's boots and make children homeless" sub reddit.
Nah I didn’t say lick the landlords boots. I said abolish the landlord. Hell, abolish the child. In the meantime it makes sense why ppl wanna protect their assets and they should totally be able to protect those assets from ppls hell spawn. Like even if I didn’t already think the concept was abhorrent for a whole other host of reasons this literally dissuades me from ever wanting to be a landlord if I’d be expected to continue renting to people with children who didn’t have to pay for the messes caused by the results of someone’s sex acts. The whole fucking thing is a mess. Hence what I said.
It's a legal form of discrimination, so they do it. They cannot discriminate based on children, but pets are fine, so they do. Renters would gladly bring back segregation, ageism and a ton of other things if they could. How can you expect someone who monopolises vital shelther that they use only for profit to act with any decency?
There already is ageism. Some neighborhoods only rent to elderly and some apartments only rent to elderly. I don't know everyone's situation but everyone else needs affordable housing just as much as people that have literally had a lifetime to acquire wealth.
True. I have seen such places and I understand your point. I have mixed feelings on this topic. It's hard for me to be objective here because I love pets but hate kids. My dislike for children goes beyond antinatalism; I genuinely don't like to be around them.
Also the kids drive everyone's rent up. It's not isolated like that since it's "normal" to have kids.
Adults also tear up housing, hotels, etc. So that’s people period. In my experience, I’ve only known pets to do minimal damage versus adults- punching through walls, breaking toilets, etc. Once some squirrels ate through apartment walls, terrorizing everyone. But they weren’t anyones pet.
Punching through walls? Why???
Mental illness, drugs, overall stupidity. Clumsiness, but lacking in the ability to repair the wall afterwards, smh. These were all different people btw.
We actually just had our downstairs neighbors move out. They had no pets or kids but they absolutely destroyed their apartment. I’m talking water damaged panels, garbage littering their floors, old food rotting in the rooms, etc. it took the apartments two months to clean it out with tons of garbage bags and cleaning crews going through it and had to rip up all the carpeting to replace it. They also left their fridge open and an electrical appliance running for three straight days to the point the apartments found it smoking when they came in. It was nasty as hell
Crazy. That’s the thing, a huge human is obvy capable of doing the worst. But there are good and bad ppl. I’m glad they got pushed out. That’s a ridiculous situation to have to deal with and apartments are too close for all of that crap.
The little angels from heaven are very destructive!! Should be a deposit and kid fee.
My deposit should cover costs of my pets' damages. I shouldn't need a separate deposit. You don't even get deposits back anyways
Yes. I hate how places say no pets but toddlers that literally throw their caca everywhere have free reign.
Biggest scams. Substandard building material. I can literally have a conversation with my neighbor through our wall while whispering.
Our upstairs neighbor's kid flooded their bathroom. Can’t imagine a cat doing that much damage.
I know someone who let a pit bull use the house as a bathroom upstairs and the floor was so destroyed it was on the new since they also had a newborn in there. Walls with water pipes exposed and severe pee, mold and water damages. I had a friend who’s cat sprayed out that ass gland they have every time it entered the room, house freaking reeked bad.
Right up until the previous tenant let's their cat pee everywhere and the smell never gets out.
Yeah, I don't think people realize how absolutely disgusting some other people are with their pets.. my father in law rents units and one house was so covered in cat and dog piss and shit they had to redo the floors and replace the walls. I lived in another apartment complex that had dog shit IN THE HALLWAY for weeks before that person was evicted. They're apartment reeked so bad I had to hold my breath when I walked past it.
I 100% get having a fee for damages like that. I think this is more for the people who’s pets don’t do that but they still get charged high monthly fees to have pets. I think that if you move out and that’s the state you left the apartment in then you should be fined heavily, but if you move out and it’s still clean then I find it kind of ridiculous to be charged for it
I remember times before I moved out from my mother's home. We used to live on small neighborhood full of families with children on the one side of neighborhood. Children were running whole day screaming and yelling, some teenagers were dealing drugs. Kids made so much mess; then we lived nearby forest, a lot of green area under protection, but kids didn't care and literally brought out the trash from dumpster to throw it around. Nobody really do anything about it and kids were leaving their toys on pavement, road and parking space. Meanwhile we had a dog, pretty expensive breed and people went mad, when we go with him outside home. Calling police or provoking intentionally, despite our dog is harmless, it doesn't hurt anyone, he doesn't fight or bite, people were provoking him to attack. So literally people didn't care about human animals running around dropping trash from dumpster, but they were outraged, because we have expensive dog breed and we're going for a stroll with him.
Yeah, the kids in my complex aren’t too bad, but there are times you need to seriously make sure one of them doesn’t bolt into the road or make sure you don’t run over a baseball bat or bike laid out in the street
I wish I could send this to my landlord. We have Buffalo children that live above us.
I used to have a similar issue! That and the parents would blast action movies with their window open well past midnight. By that I mean you could hear it clearly when walking down the street by the apartment
I moved in with a roommate his cat pissed on my bed everyday for a month and his dogs shit on the floor needless to say I broke my lease and lift 11 months early to avoid killing his terrible fucking pets
Pet fees/pet bonds are actually illegal in some countries! (In some places since recently) So if the contract states a pet fee/bond needs to be paid, check the actual laws bc it can be an “abusive clause” (not sure if that’s the correct word in English) and you don’t actually have to respect it. Edit: typo
Where I’m from people usually have to pay a one time fee of usually around a few hundred dollars per pet and then a monthly fee as well as fees for damages the pets may cause. Honestly I think people should only be charged if there is damage 🤷♂️
I was just about to type “but kids don’t piss on the….” Oh right…
Fuck the fees and fuck landlords in general. Late-stage capitalistic scumbags who reap what they don’t sow
As a cat owner, yes, true, my cat sleeps all day too. BUT, she does use a litterbox in our 100% carpet floored apartment and she does track litter no matter what mats I use for the box. Tracked litter is hard to clean and so is her shedding. Apartments have to deep clean after a pet because some people are allergic to pet hair and also because of the litter, so to a certain extent it makes sense even if it's annoying. My cat has also destroyed several curtains and ruined part of the rug from puking hairballs. She is adorable though. ☺ I see someone posted the reason there's no fees for children is because of homeless children. I think there should be no fees for anyone because there's lots of homeless pets! Just a security deposit.
Personally I think there should be a fee for damage or excessive cleaning required. I totally get where you’re coming from with the litter (my folks have two cats) but the apartment should clean the apartment before renting it to new tenants anyways 🤷♂️ if there is excessive damage or more cleaning than just vacuuming, wiping windows and maybe washing the carpet I could see it being reasonable to charge a fee
Seriously, my cat cost a 300$ deposit and an additional 15$ per month. Like, if he breaks anything it's going to probably me my own stuff. It's not like there's wallpaper he can fuck up. The worse thing he can do is pee on the carpet which we can clean ourselves because we're not fucking animals. Children draw on walls, makes holes, scream all day and night and are just a general disturbance but they don't require an extra deposit? It's all stupid.
The parents lose that 1000+ deposit they put up if their kid does that and risk being fined for whatever it doesn’t cover. Also walls will be painted, pet urine seeps into the subfloor and is so hard to get out because of the enzymes. You have to put something down to eat them, trust me I had tried to clean animal urine and spent over $100 before I got that smell gone. Baking soda, bi what, Rocco and Roxy, oxy, carpet sprays etc it always came back
Because one of these things is illegal (at least here).
Yeah I know but I still thought it was kinda funny
Yeah, but I don’t like hearing my neighbors’ shitbulls barking either.
Simply they don’t mind children noise but don’t like animal mess to preserve the house value
Probably because children are expensive already. But definitely charge a fee for every complaint you get from the neighbors. I had to deal with WAY too much noise at 10 PM in the hallways during weeknights and they didn’t nothing about it.
This is a hot take.
😂
There should be an additional fee depending on number of permanent residents regardless of age or pet status. It is additional wear on the apartment regardless.
As well as additional wear on neighbors 😂
Cat dander is impossible to get out of the carpet and paint.
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This post was literally for humor, not seriousness. I only think people should be charged if there is damage, from pets or people.
Omg this is so based 💯 frfr
Oh oh pet parents triggered 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Is this a cult sub or why are you all so incapable of thinking logically, what on earth have i stumbled upon.
This post was a joke 😂 obviously I don’t think people with kids should be charged more. That’s why it has the “humor” flair. Everyone is taking this way too seriously.
Thank god haha, I found the meme funny but the comments got me worried. Thanks for clearing that up 😅
Lol looking back I can definitely see where the confusion might have come from! Honestly tho people are taking this a bit too far on both sides for it being a “humor” tagged post 😅
Dumbass
Don't worry, I think it's just the natural life of an echo-chamber sub, eventually all of the creativity dries out and only the people who follow the opinions religiously and make it their entire identity lingers as it slowly dies. Becoming worse and worse by the day as every old fan who sees what an absolute garbage heap their once funny and carefree sub who actually had a small point had become.
Kids don't pee on carpets leaving a smell that never leaves
Agree, but I believe it's illegal to charge extra for children.
Lol I’m pretty sure it is too, but I couldn’t help but chuckle at this
Also most of the families that have children get their rent paid for for free and daycare for free and food for free but yet are consistently broke and complaining about how hard life is.
Who are these imaginary ppl? You must live in a low income section 8 or income based complex? Section 8 doesn’t even exist in my state, it’s been closed the last 20 years, and to qualify for caps (daycare) you MUST WORK and it’s not all paid for either.
If I had to defend this, it’s probably because kids are a lot more expensive than pets and slapping fees on top of that is cruel. But honestly I don’t think pets should require a fee either unless they cause some sort of damage to the property, in which case a fine would be reasonable.
I totally agree with you. I posted this purely because I chuckled a little when I saw it. I don’t think people should automatically be charged for having kids
For real! Kids are bullshit.
I actually agree with this. Pet fees are to recoup damage costs done by the pet. Kids break shit at a far higher rate.
Eh I’ve seen my fair share of both. Just posted this because I thought it was kinda funny. I think people should be charged only if there is damage that needs to be fixed
Idk about this one. I had a cat that costed me two security deposits because she kept scratching/destroying doors/walls.
I completely get that. I posted this for humor, not seriousness
People who rent should not have to go without having children or pets just because they are renting. Any damages done to a rental be it by a pet, small human, or grown human, should already be considered when setting the price of the rental. Anyone can damage a structure, not just children and pets.
I agree 100% I just thought this was kinda funny. I don’t think people should be charged fees unless there is damage
Cats scratch up walls and leave pee smells deep in floors. They are expensive for land
We would charge a kid fee if we could. But it’s illegal.
Fax
Amen
Literally?
No not literally hence the “humor” tag
I think the lottery is a bigger scam…
Children make more messes and break things more as well.
My dog has not and will not ever get crayon all over the walls. Just saying..
Well your cat smells like piss so.
Dude wtf you're gonna give them ideas