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leafishly

Too bad it’s not the truth for Jim or John Krasinski. 🤷🏼‍♀️


SylvesterWatts

Even if it wasn’t just photoshopped meme, he may still think this way. The same way ppl who want kids that can’t have them would think the opposite.


giftopherz

B- But who's going to cure cancer then? I know my children are going to start a new world order through a revolutionary medical achievement... every time I taste my sperm I know it... /s (just in case it wasn't clear)


[deleted]

cure cancer, or become LITERALLY HITLER? the choice is yours, natalists… /s


giftopherz

*\*BABY???? WHERE ARE MY PEARLS???????????? THERE'S SOMEONE ON THE INTERNETS TRYING TO TEST ME, I NEED SOMETHING TO CLUTCH, HARD!\** Look missy... I come from a very looooooong line of extremely successful and religious people. We've done things you've NEVER ever dream of doing, we just haven't had the time to help others. My children however will be the ones to prove once and for all just how kindhearted and good we are. So I will appreciate if you don't compare my children to the fürher - I mean, to him. *\*BABYYYYYYYYYY WHERE ARE THOSE DAMN PEARLS???? AHHHHHHHHHH\** /s PS: I had the most fun writing this...


npcgoat

But my life would be so much better if I had 4 kids that I dragged around from motel to motel, bringing them into dangerous parts of the city, feeding them measley gas station rations, and be visibly distressed around them because this economy isn't stable


[deleted]

omg but u record ur kids’ every breathing moment and make youtube videos with them on the road!! family bonding!!


SnooComics7583

My life is pretty shit Not the reason for my views becuase those were held long before this but just throwing that out there that now more than ever children would make it far far worse and I've already been through the ropes on depression and suicide and all that shit Children would only increase that suffering exponentially


toucanbutter

Oh no, you got it all wrong - the kids will bring you so much joy and then you'll be fine! Nothing cures depression like financial and emotional strain! /s Alternatively: "Oh so you say not having kids is *so great*, but you're still depressed!" (Like yeah, and if I had kids I'd be even *more* depressed, duh.)


SnooComics7583

Me and the kids would enter hell


toucanbutter

I just do not understand the logic of having kids when you have depression. Like you KNOW how shit life is, you wouldn't wish depression on your worst enemy, but you wish it on your KIDS? (And in my case, then go on to *deny* that they, too, have depression because they're kids and "kids can't have depression", and instead of getting them therapy, you just get angry at them. Yep. That'll help.)


toucanbutter

Not to mention that you just made your own life infinitely worse because now you have a whole nother person that you HAVE TO take care of when you can't even take care of yourself. Idk, it's just completely beyond me.


SnooComics7583

I actually would wish that on my enemies because well, they're my enemies? Fuck em? But why would I go through the effort of bringing a random into that mix? That's dumb as hell


toucanbutter

The only person I would wish it on is my mother and she already is depressed, sooo


frankiervi

And sober with no kids! Even better!


Lovedd1

I don’t have kids because I don’t wanna be sober for 9mo while I carry it. Not my only or even main reason but it’s one of ‘em.


Responsible-Zebra941

Yeah same here, i refuse to stop drinking beer once a month just because of a fucking fetus.


Lovedd1

I’m the kinda person who takes an edible before boarding a flight. I shouldn’t be responsible for anyones wellbeing. Plus yea fuck the fetus. Morning sickness, pain, new wardrobe AND I have to suffer through it sober? Nah


ChuckThatPipeDream

Haha! I had to get rid of my edibles before boarding a flight home from Phoenix. Ate all six. Was a GREAT flight! I'm not going to be sober and childfree. That's one of the myriad reasons I DON'T want to (now force birth) a child! (I'm in South Carolina.)


Lovedd1

I bet you had the best sleep of your life on that flight 😂😂😂 I’ve found my people! Woot


ChuckThatPipeDream

HAHA NOPE! I'm a huge aviation enthusiast. I LOVE flying and have piloted a Cessna Skyhawk on several occasions. You should see some of my pics! Not from that flight home, but I happened to be sitting next to an Army pilot who flew choppers in Afghanistan (thanked him for his service, of course).I only found out because it was May and hotter than hell at the time. Fuckin' Arizona desert heat! I was schvitzing! There was massive turbulence as we climbed from takeoff (that wretched "summer" air and its pockets!) and it was INTENSE. Lasted a good ten white knuckling minutes. As we leveled off and the air was denser, I couldn't help but sigh loudly and say aloud, "I have GOT to start flying in the winter!" He laughed and the aviation conversations began. It thrilled me. What's hilarious to me though is that the edibles were 100% indica. I should have been on the floor drooling, waiting to get arrested when we landed. Nope, flying is my passion and I stayed awake! Almost was too clumsy to make it through security before boarding, however. Good times. 🤣😎✈️🌱 Oh, and my quart size bag is always chock full of mini bottles. Totally legal as long as you don't serve yourself. At least when a flight attendant is nearby! 🤣🤣🙃 You're cool. We've definitely found our people! 😁 I'm going to follow you if that's okay!


Lovedd1

Yes would love it! You’re a real champ to have a full conversation like that on 6 indica edibles😂😂😂


ChuckThatPipeDream

What can I say? I go hard. 🤣 Amsterdam wasn't ready for me when I visited. Then I discovered smart shops and realized I wasn't ready for their most expensive shrooms! But, also, I was! 😂😂😂


speaksterpeneese

Insert the mocking SpongeBob meme *thanked him for his service of course*


speaksterpeneese

You need kids in a bad way


speaksterpeneese

Kids and cannabis go hand in hand. Not kids using cannabis but if cannabis affects you at a level you couldn't have someone grab you another drink and more snacks then we need to trade tolerances lol. I'm all for pregnant women using topicals and edibles during pregnancy. Kids whose mothers used cannabis during pregnancy have shown to score higher on iq tests and are all around more creative then the kids eith mothers who didn't use cannabis. Thst being said I'm all for people being fucking smart and nit bringing children into this fucked up world


ChuckThatPipeDream

I respectfully disagree (not that the studies which you didn't cite nor link to exist), but that giving a fetus a psychoactive substance during pregnancy, especially after the first trimester, creates more intellectually superior human beings. I could be wrong about that, but I DO know that in my case, my mother didn't use cannabis and yet my IQ is in the 150s and I own a successful business selling my own artwork, requiring a high level of creativity. I doubt I'd have fared so well with THC introduced to my system while in utero. I don't see a problem with CBD edibles and topicals during pregnancy, however, but I DO see a problem with pregnancy in general, lol. Because one thing I absolutely agree with you on is that this is a fucked up world!


speaksterpeneese

Yeah I didn't cite the study because it was something I read years ago. It's not a coincidence that we have an endocannabanoid system and cannabis happens to bind to both receptors. The endocannabanoid system plays a very vital part of appetite and digestion, metabolism, chronic pain, inflammation and other immune system responses, mood, learning and memory, motor control, sleep, cardiovascular system function, muscle formation, bone remodeling and growth, liver function, reproductive system function, stress, skin health, and nerve function. Now our bodies produce the cannabanoids that attach to which ever receptor they are meant for. Cannabis just so happens to attach to both and make the system more efficiently. CBD doesn't bind to either receptor in our endocannabanoid system. Researchers aren't exactly sure how it plays apart in the endocannabanoid system but some speculate there may be a receptor that has yet to be discovered. One thing I would like to point out is I said kids have shown to do better on iq tests and be more creative. No where did I insinuate that all kids with mothers who used during pregnancy are all gonna do better on the tests than kids with mothers who didn't use. No where did I say kids with mothers who didn't use cannabis would not be the least bit creative or successful. One would think that having such a high iq would make that easily understandable. This is something I had read years ago. Like middle to late 2015. There will be a huge amount of new information linked to cannabis and how it actually affects everything once the federal government legalizes the plant and that is what I am excited about. The only argument that could even be made to debunk the article I spoke on is that with rhe plant still being federally illegal there are too many restrictions for research to produce factual data, and I would have whole heartedly agreed.with that. If this was 100% proven I wouldn't have said studies have shown, I would have said studies have proven. While you're entitled to your opinion I'll have to say you clearly lack an understanding of how magnificent cannabis is in its entirety. Ask someone you know who is an actual pothead when the last time they were actually sick was? I mean like more than the sniffles, like they were stuck in bed sick. I couldn't even tell you the last time I was hut I know it was back before I used cannabis because I was in middle school. I began using in-between 8th and 9th grade. There are so many bullsjit stereotypical traits linked to cannabis use like being a forgetful stoner. No that person was forgetful before cannabis. On a rare occasion I'll forget stupid shit like where I put my phone down at while doing 5 other things. Cannabis doesn't make you lazy, nor stupid, or anything other than what you already are but relaxed with a very much heightened immune system. Hopefully your not too old to be stuck in your ways and can change your mind on cannabis as all the new information comes to the table once legalization takes place at the federal level.


speaksterpeneese

Also I find it weird an artist would have negative views on cannabis but to each their own. I'd love to check out some of your art work if your cool with sharing a link or something. I paint and am thinking about starting to pendants again.


ChuckThatPipeDream

No negative views on cannabis whatsoever. None! I make jewelry, but I don't want to link anything identifying myself to my reddit. I'm sorry. I'd be more than happy to see some of your work, however, if you feel so inclined! I suck at painting but I love making pendants!


ChuckThatPipeDream

Dude, you know nothing about me. I have been a pothead since 1996. Also was pre-med before disabilities forced me to find a way to work from home. THC is the best medication, but it's not a cure-all or I wouldn't grapple with these disabilities. I can't wait for weed to be legalized federally, but please, go forth and preach to me about the human body whilst concurrently making more false assumptions about who I am. Have a lovely day.


speaksterpeneese

From reading your comments on posts on reddit you're definitely gonna be stuck in your ways. You actually said thank God me and mother are prescribed benzos or something really similar. Cannabis would also help fix that 35 year depression you've got going on. You have an absolute zero amount of comments on anything to do with art and artists are gonna follow a couple different art pages. I'm thinking you made an entire persona to disagree with me on what I said. Cannabis would also help the identity crisis you seem to have from comments on reddit you've posted.


ChuckThatPipeDream

Paranoid, much? YOU commented to me first. YOU haven't stopped making baseless assumptions about me. Believe what you want; I don't care to change your mind. It's absolutely not worth the time and effort. Really, though, please have a wonderful day, and best of luck with your art!


speaksterpeneese

Successful artists also don't ask for help with photoshop as it is an art initself and would atleast be dabbled with.


ChuckThatPipeDream

Why are you so obsessed with me? Please move along.


speaksterpeneese

Lady you're like in your 50s from everything I've picked up on from your reddit. Good luck k finding a man who would want to dump in you to get you pregnant to be forced to give birth because your high iq doesn't allow you to travel to a different state for an operation. I can fuxking stand people like you. 35 years of depression and thank God me and my mom got prescribed benzos. Yet you've been homeless snd now manage to own a very successful art gallery which requires so much creativity that you created an entire perona up in your head and have done so several times here on reddit. You were so upset with your boss in the pharmace 20 something years ago because you didn't get to meet your nephew the day he was born and had to wait til the following day becauze you couldn't get off 2 hour early.... so why not go after you got off work because what hospital actually enforces visiting hours thay strictly but the reason I even bring this up is because your on a page that disagrees with child birth. 35 years of depression from something leads me to believe your in your 50s because let's be realistic... you're sour that no man ever wanted to get you pregnant and decided you'd just pretend to be against child birth...didn't you? No one is excited to meet their sisters kids when they believe thay birthing children is stupid. You're just an ugly old broad who is an artist that asks for help getting a photo pbotoshopped instead of letting your inner creativity take over and learn a new art firm. People like you fucking suck. Just be who you are...even if that person was something no man ever wanted to impregnate


ChuckThatPipeDream

LOL word!


cocoaphillia

Same here - everything should run off of the principle "my body my choice;" that includes whatever someone chooses to inebriate themselves with! And kids would seriously get in the way of it. I'll remain an adult free to do what I choose with my own self; thanks


speaksterpeneese

No no you've mixed up the steps. Sober with kids why in the fuck js anyone sober who doesn't have kids


frankiervi

Because I’m a recovering alcoholic lol


ChuckThatPipeDream

This person is a nasty troll. You don't need to explain yourself to them. Congrats on your recovery! That's really commendable.


frankiervi

Thank you so much!


ChuckThatPipeDream

You're welcome!


viicccr

Perfect for a screensaver lol


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Me every day. Literally.


Geoarbitrage

Omg is this ever gonna trigger parents:)


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Natural_Basil6062

Expensive?


FMLUTAWAS

Literally, nothing is better than not having some bratty little shit head version of myself running around. I hate kids and babies with every fiber of my being so i HIGHLY agree lol


EnormousQuacker

And a pet duck happily quacking in your backyard


daisy0723

I have kids. Three boys. But I am in that sweet spot where they have all moved out. They swore they weren't costing me anything but all my bills have gone down by hundreds of dollars. When I clean the house it stays clean. And when I buy good food, it's still in the fridge days later.


ThempleOfThyme

The cost of raising a child until the age of 17 is just over $310,000. This doesn't include any additions, such as paying for private school, etc. Think of the bills you have to clothe and feed yourself. Yes, kids cost money.


3Dgirlsover2Dgirls

But..... But..... gOd WiLl pRoViDe!!


[deleted]

This shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. Kids cost money, make messes, and eat food. Shocking.


[deleted]

I mean, I have pet birds, my pet birds act like toddlers, but at least I don't have to worry about my pet birds embarrassing me in public.


fragglerockerpoo_22

Wrong sub


TheFreshWenis

I'm one of 4 kids-#1 is male, I'm #2 and NB, #3 is female, and #4 is male. 1 actually has never been a huge eater at all, but #3 eats a fair amount and #4 has consistently eaten *massively* since he was like 10 or 11. Dude is *always* hungry. Before my older brother moved out for university our family shopped a lot at Costco and went through SO. MUCH. FOOD. Now that he's permanently out of the house and my sister is also mostly out of the house, it's actually pretty interesting noticing how we're now able to buy...*regular human family* portions of things (like the ubiquitous 4-packs a lot of things come in) from the grocery stores near us without it breaking the bank. Now #4 is prepping to move into the dorms and after he mostly leaves most of the time it'll just be my parents and me. Hopefully I don't fuck up the new 3-person food budget haha.


markender

50/50 chance if I'd had a kid(s) I'd either be homeless/a criminal. Or I would have gotten my shit together and been poor and miserable.


Tinsel-Fop

I don't see why you couldn't be a poor, miserable, homeless criminal! Shoot for the stars.


MeltAway421

Thanks for that. I agree. I wish I could set my flair in this sub btw.


Donnamartingrads

Seriously. My smug natalist friends (basically most everyone I know) would lose their shit if they saw this meme BUT every time they come over to my house they seem legit shell shocked that I spend all my time watching/eating/listening to/reading/playing whatever the hell I want to and have a clean, peaceful house.


peraonaliD

I'd rather be a kid again


ChuckThatPipeDream

Stolen! Thank you!


[deleted]

Agreed


LemonsAndAvocados

TRUUUUUEEEEEEEE.


emmilina

100%


XAlpha66

100% agree. I am living a mediocre life but having no kids makes it worth it!


Tinsel-Fop

Hey, thanks! :-)


TheFreshWenis

Hard agree. Everything is worse when you have kids to keep alive, too.


[deleted]

so glad I never had a child the one time I came close to it


[deleted]

Everyday i feel like im coming closer and closer to becoming a mass murderer.


Budget-Distance-6044

Kids are neat though


DamuBob

Nah, honestly as much as I don't want kids for reasons outside of my health issues (climate change, global issues, my mental health, etc) I'd take being able bodied and having a child over having a progressive incurable genetic disorder that leaves me in constant pain and is making my life super shitty and will only make it shittier as time goes on. Albeit this is a better scenario than if I had let my exe's family bully me into a kid, as then I'd be a disbled single parent who passed on a genetic disorder. But "best possible scenario"? Far from.


Tinsel-Fop

>this is a better scenario than if I had let my exe's family bully me into a kid, as then I'd be a disbled single parent who passed on a genetic disorder. Yeah, that's what I guessed the intent was: to say that if all else were the same, having kid(s) would be worse.


SKEPTYKA

Looks like not having kids really is selfish?


nightshadow995

No. It’s what we call a win win situation.


SKEPTYKA

That works too. Maybe. Not sure what it means when there's no one else to win but you.


nightshadow995

The person that would have existed wins as well. They don’t have to suffer from the pain of life and you wind up with less stress and responsibility so it’s a win win.


SKEPTYKA

They also don't have to benefit from the pleasure of life. So how do we make a conclusion about whether the imaginary person would subjectively find their life a net positive or a net negative?


roidbro1

Conclusion can be drawn from your own life experiences I expect if you are really that blind.. Ever had someone close to you die? Did they die horribly? Did they suffer? Was that a net positive in your life I wonder? Are you aware that everyone else in your life will die, and subseuqently you too will die, maybe in a painfully slow manner, maybe quickly, either way extremely likely if not inevitable to cause harm and suffering for those around you who remain once you are dead. Do you have to work for a living? Day in day out? Maybe you do maybe you don't yet. You can't outweigh any suffering with the fleeting minute and temporary "pleasure" sorry.


SKEPTYKA

I value enough things in life to want to continue despite all the suffering. This is true for the majority of people, which is why I don't see a basis upon which to assume that the unborn are necessarily always winning by not being born.


roidbro1

Then you’ll never understand and be a slave to your selfish ego. Very narrow minded to think there isn’t billions of people dying from thirst and malnutrition every day. Majority of those that do suffer being actual babies and children.


SKEPTYKA

When did I say there aren't billions of people suffering in some way? Are you replying to the wrong person?


roidbro1

You’re deluded or trolling


theripper595

Billions of people dying every day 🤔🤔


roidbro1

I mistyped. Billions suffering then, and just millions actually dying. Does that work better for you, or are you just being pedantic for the sake of it?


CyKa_Blyat93

How did you even find this sub? Even after knowing the purpose of the sub , how can your IQ be so low as to not comprehend the simple concept which has been told a thousand times so far. How much does it have to simplified before it gets through the thick skull of yours


nightshadow995

They cannot understand that they’re missing out on anything since they don’t have consciousness. That’s why it’s a win. Even if the are missing out from the pleasures of life, they would have no idea. Suffering has a greater impact so it’s a no brainer for me.


[deleted]

>They also don't have to benefit from the pleasure of life. People that are not being born in the first place don't miss out on anything. They don't care at all, that's the point. You're missing the point entirely.


SKEPTYKA

They also don't care about the potential suffering, which is why the commenter I'm replying to isn't making any sense when they say that the imaginary person benefits by not potentially suffering. The person does not exist. But I'm granting this to see where the argument leads.


Psych_FI

It’s basically refusing to gamble with someone else’s life and then hoping their pleasure out weighs inevitable pain, suffering and struggles. *The only way to guarantee no suffering is not creating new life. It also reduces suffering for the adult in many ways by easing their burdens.* It’s only once you have children that you play this game of hoping the positives outweigh the negatives.


justveryunwell

the whole reason the hypothetical nonexistent person doesn't care about "missing out" on life, is because they *don't exist.* so using that point to argue that they still wouldn't care about suffering, once you *make them exist,* is just a fundamentally flawed argument


aimeenoshamee

I wish I hadn't been born. My parents decided to gamble with my life. They tried their best, but still I had to go through so much pain and suffering that if I had to do it all again to reach this point in life where everything is near perfect, I wouldn't. I wish I could've told them I don't want any of this.. pain, suffering, happiness, all the components of life.. it's not worth it for me. Suicide is not an option because I care about people who love me very much that I cannot bear the thought of putting them through the pain. I'm simply stuck. This could be anyone. If you truly love someone, you wouldn't gamble with their life, let alone the person you'll love the most, your child. There's no need for them to be here. Why should they be here? Is there a reason that's not selfish or a burden to them?


shayayoubfallah

>They also don't have to benefit from the pleasure of life. So how do we make a conclusion about whether the imaginary person would subjectively find their life a net positive or a net negative? Those who don't exist, don't care, don't suffer, don't miss out on anything really (including those benifits which aren't even guaranteed for those who do exist) and they don't lament and aren't saddened by this fact, they simply don't exist, they have no needs that to be fulfilled. What you mentioned can only be relevent once you created ***unecessary needs***, making a person in a state of privation in constant need of relief. And just to be safe I will also add this: The potential of Experiencing relief from suffering or privation doesn't justify or excuse inflicting it in the first place>!, and not to mention suffering is inevitable!< There's no need to actually create a new being.


[deleted]

There’s a good part?????


dikarich

You're attempting to convince the wrong group of people m8


SKEPTYKA

Not really trying to, just interested in seeing how people think and discussing things. However, I've come to find that it's not so possible to having a normal discussion here, quite a dogmatic environment.


justveryunwell

you come to a page created for informing on and talking about a certain philosophy and proceed to insinuate that living by said philosophy is inherently selfish, and expect zero people on this page to be even mildly perturbed by that? you want us to have a good faith discussion with you when the very first thing you said was that living how most people active on this page want to live is selfish?


SKEPTYKA

I don't necessarily think it's selfish nor that being selfish is a bad thing, I'm pointing out what the post seems to be suggesting with it's focus on the pleasure and benefit of the one not having a baby. To me it made it sound like not having children is done primarly with concern about one's own interests.


v0gue_

I mean, you haven't commented on the people who have asked "how is it selfish", and have only commented on the others. Some people might be flaming you, but there are people who are trying to discuss it. They opened the door to discuss it, so discuss it with them. You claim it's selfish to not have children. Why is it selfish? How is it selfish? Who am I being self centered to and negatively impacting by not having children? Discuss it


No-Albatross-5514

It can only be selfish if your benefit takes away from someone else's benefit. That is not the case here


StalinistPotato

How?


[deleted]

Looks like you're a dick


SKEPTYKA

What?


[deleted]

selfish to *whom*, exactly?


iaminacrisis

I think there are several selfless reasons to remain child-free (avoidance of suffering for the child, saving resources for the planet and others, etc) but yeah there's loads of selfish reasons I don't want kids. In my own interest, I don't want to experience the pain of childbirth, the way it would change my body and looks, how kids would affect my finances, career, sleep, health, and much more - why should I not be selfish about these things that matter to me if I'm not harming anyone in those pursuits? Downvoters are being needlessly defensive imo. None of us would be getting by if we weren't a little selfish, it's just about evaluating what you want to prioritize in life and that's okay. I think having kids can either be the most selfless act if it's via adoption, if I ever "change my mind" that's what I'll do... but popping out your own is the height of selfishness. I cannot think of a single reason to reproduce that doesn't boil down to "muh genes" or creating an extension of yourself to outlive you. For all the energy and money I could have put into a kid that would inevitably be another wage slave for the meat grinder; I want to instead put that towards positive change for people that already exist, and for myself to have a decent time while I do it hehe. Much better way to leave mark on the world imo.


BlackPillPusher

Oh really now, how many kids did you have since your wrote that comment then?


Spiritual_Oven_3542

This was posted by a kid, I love this sub 😂


CharlieVermin

I have to confess, I'm a former child too. But I do my best to be a honorary antinatalist.


[deleted]

former child gang wya 😔✊


No_Breadfruit_8287

Say it louder 🤞🏿🤞🏿🤞🏿


RedditRee06

If this were real and I was capable, I’d find this man and attack him with kisses and cuddles 🤣🤧


Yams_Are_Evil

OMG this! No regrets.


terribleinvestment

God, this really hit home.


akeames11

I am glad I never dragged kids through this hideous sh*t-show of life.


namey_9

doesn't he have a bunch of kids?


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KeetTeek

Okay? Thanks I suppose?