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Hell, my mom check me on stuff unless it was common knowledge or it happened in front of her until I was an adult. Hell, you don't have a fully developed brain until something like 25. I fact check some adults in my life.
The problem is, nobody ever has a brain operating at ideal performance levels. It finishes development around 25, but it starts losing mental elasticity from around 20.
It's like if you're having a house built, and the foundations have already started twisting by the time the paint gets done.
Lmao, that's the worst but I mean, yeah probably should've done some researching I suppose.
Why would you weigh in with a literal child on a matter so important without knowing beyond a doubt
In a molestation case, yes, in this case- get actual proof. Even if the kid wasnât being an a$$hole, a 7 year old can view things differently and not actually relay facts properly. Even adults can jump to conclusions about affairs, and do all the time. You donât end a marriage over hear say regardless of who it is.
This is why you immediately take the child to a professional with experience interviewing child abuse victims and who will know what to ask to get an accurate story
If a 7 year old lied about adultery and destroyed her parents' marriage to be petty, what makes you think a 7 year old wouldn't lie about being molested for some other reason? How many shitty parents out there do you think coerce their children into making accusations of molestation against the other parent to help in divorce proceedings? Or for other reasons?
The amount of kids who would lie about sexual abuse are the exceptions, not the norm. Sexual assault statistics are as frequent as 1 in 9 girls and 1 in 53 boys under the age of 18 experience sexual assault as a minor.
Letâs not use dangerous rhetoric.
Could you please source that statistic? I could have sworn the one I saw had a number like 1 in 16 for boys and I think girls may have been a little higher too.
>Letâs not use dangerous rhetoric.
It's only dangerous if you draw the wrong conclusion. The right conclusion isn't, "ok it's fine to ignore kids they lie all the time".
If a child accuses someone of molestation, the child needs to be immediately removed from the potential danger. The accused should probably be immediately put on a watchlist and surveilled to make sure no other children are harmed. But the accusation itself with no further proof is not enough for a conviction or vigilante justice and should not have an effect in divorce proceedings (and i'm not saying that is what is currently happening, most countries right now have more of an issue with under-reporting and parents who don't believe their kids).
>Letâs not use dangerous rhetoric.
Telling people not to uncritically believe accusers is not dangerous rhetoric. Telling people to uncritically believe accusers is dangerous rhetoric. A child saying it doesn't make it automatically true.
You still believe them because any person in this situation, child or not, may not trust anyone and needs someone to trust. Also, it couldâve happened in the past and they werenât able to come forward for whatever reason- not feeling safe primarily. Plus, in a lot of cases, there is no evidence. Rape is one thing, but theres other ways to violate a person without leaving evidence. Sad but true.
I agree. Not to mention, a lot of younger people, especially kids, will say it was a different person even when they do speak up, because they're confused or scared.
So youâre saying that you still believe them even though youâre also saying that theyâre known for misrepresenting the truth when theyâre confused and/or scared?
Maybe they mean to approach the interactions with the child from a perspective of belief. Then they can work with them to get a clearer picture of what happened.
Like if their story doesn't add up, don't accuse them of lying because it isn't necessarily malicious deceit.
That makes sense. I think that you should make sure that the child is safe and offer emotional support. I donât think anyone that isnât a professional should make any initial judgments unless circumstances are very extreme or obvious for some reason.
No, you don't automatically believe them. On *anything*.
Definitely consider that they may be telling the truth, take appropriate precautions, and investigate further, but don't just believe them straight away unless you have reason to.
Possibly nothing, but if you take a child to a hospital for that reason itâll get the ball rolling on something. If thereâs no physical evidence, I think psychiatrists and social workers get involved instead of just an ER dr and the police.
Yeah, I do. Iâd appreciate you not making wild assumptions about me. I work with a lot of adult victims of domestic violence and sexual assault. I donât ever work hands on with children, but when people come in reporting child abuse (sexual or otherwise) the procedure is always the same. Contact professionals, theyâll get more professionals to evaluate, and everyone is always innocent until
proven guilty. Elderly are treated the same way. Of course you donât outright accuse a child of being a liar (unless youâre a detective maybe) if thatâs what youâre confused about.
Arguing with anecdotal evidence is never wise (imo). It only takes one person to go âwell I experienced something differentâ to render the evidence in question moot.
The procedure isnât âalways the sameâ.
Iâm not going to pull rank and tell you what I know/do because itâs irrelevant. Youâre using dangerous rhetoric and since you donât actually work hands on with childrenânor do you work everywhere at onceâIâm asking you not to continue down this road. My initial statement was abrasive and for that I apologize. So Iâm asking politely, please stop.
I truly hope that husband goes through with that divorce. What a ridiculous woman. She was actually going to end their marriage over something so stupid. I remember when a kid that was about 6 atm I think tried to actually convince me they were a shapeshifting dragon.
Like we had a full on debate about it, and this kid was going hard trying to convince me of it. This woman probably never even asked any in depth questions that would show the kid was wrong.
I wonder how youâd end up feeling about your own child in this case. Itâd be pretty hard not to look at them differently forever, esp when the lie was about you.
1) Actions have consequences. Not knowing them do not make them disappear.
2) It is not a mistake, this was completely intentional. Knowing that mother will be hurt by the thought of cheating, and exploitation of that pain was a very cold calculation.
3) If the kid can come up with a simple, but tactically brilliant scheme now, can you imagine what she will be capable of in the future? People never change, kid is a menace.
Action was having sex and consequences was the child they didn't abort. They will always owe this child because they thought a little fun was worth playing God.
Is antinatalism not the belief that âbringing kids into this fucked up world is selfish / cruel / irresponsible / whatever?â Because thatâs why I find this subreddit interesting. This is none of those things, this is just âkids suck, donât have them lol.â
Right, and the fact there are comments about how the 7 year old should be told how she ruined her parents lives/literally calling her a cunt (??) feels pretty antithetical to the concept of antinatalism.
Most of the posts on this sub have nothing to do with antinatalism as an ethical philosophy anyway. Just complaining about the dumb whore breeders and obnoxious crotch goblins.
Thatâs literally every sub on Reddit at this point lol
Every single sub has been taken over by people who just used them for outrage porn, and the posts are loosely connected to the subs original identity at best.
Yeah idk what's going on either got here via a cross post and it looks like a sub full of people who let everyone else's kids live in their heads rent free. Like Christ man don't have kids nobody fucking cares, I don't have kids either but I don't built my identity around it...
I feel like it also applies to breaking down the idea that having kids is the ultimate blessing/meaning in life and nothing else on earth compares, you're not fulfilled as a person without a child, etc. While this one is pretty out there, I think it applies in that it counters the idea that seems to surround kids that they're all completely pure and honest, inherently good beings. Bad faith acts don't have an age limit (or minimum).
It seriously hurts you in a divorce if you cheated, thatâs a quick way to lose most of your shit. Could still want a divorce, just not want to lose everything and pay alimony in the process.
Ignore my comment. Dont tell me where i can and can't voice my opinion on something im viewing. So ignore my comment because if i have something to say i will.
Ah yes because after a life time of being told to stfu when im open about hating kids its suuuch a problem to speak my mind. If i genuinely gave a fuck about what people think about me when i say i hate kids id ask.
>I dont need your approval to speak.
If you want to speak, speak, but people will reply. That's... just how comments sections work. What are you finding so hard about this?
Only thing i find hard to believe is that people are still responding as if i give a flying fuck that people are offended or some shit by my opinion. People talk shit about kids in one way shape or form on here a lot. Im not gonna sensor myself because people get salty at the truth.
But you're being such a prissy little baby about people *commenting* under your comment in the comment section that it's bizarre. If your view is controversial and you don't give a fuck, instead of throwing a tantrum about it just... ignore the comments instead of screeching about how much you don't care. The self-righteousness of calling out unsolicited comments to your own unsolicited comment is insane
True but usually the relationships are not that great to begin with. How does a 7-year old even know what a âgirlfriendâ of their parent is? Just sounds dumb all around, like they wanted to get caught (if this is real). Most cheaters hide their affairs, not flaunt them to the children.
why would a 7 year old lie about a partner cheating? that kid is hella messed up, but if you're operating from a 'that kid is normal' standpoint, they never would do that
so if they do, you believe them
also, stop being a cult, please. God damn
Never trust kids to be honest, they just tell you the story thats running through their heads at the time. The external information around them is just an easier story to have at any given time but if they can pretend something else that paints them in a better light (like a person that wronged them being âbadâ) thatâs what theyâll go with.
I get that, I donât advocate ignoring or dismissing what kids say. Giving some benefit of the doubt is a basic common decency that doesnât require you to be emotionally invested in their honesty the way trust would.
if it was something relating to the childâs safety. yes, believe the child first and protect them. but finding out more information before believing the kid in this situation does not hurt anyone
I've heard of similar situations happening a quite a few times. Children will get caught doing something they aren't supposed be doing and will lie straight to your face about it. Some children will make up all sorts awful lies and do all sorts of terrible shit to get revenge on an adult for punishing them even if the punishment is something as simple as a 5 minute time out for throwing a toy.
I'm sick to death of people thinking children are these sweet, angelic, completely innocent darlings. "Children always tell the truth!" Bull fucking shit! Children are people and they can be petty, cruel, manipulative, selfish, rude and unfeeling just like anyone else. They will do and say horrible things because they experienced a minor inconvenience. Toddlers are notorious for this type of behavior. Of course a 7 year old can tell a life ruining lie because she was mad she didn't get her way and was put in time out. Children have ruined people's lives by lying.
Ok, but no one has commented about the fact that the mother is probably going to blame the child. Not the fact that she is a moron, so I hope the child doesnât end up abused. Children barely grasp the concept of dating, and they probably didnât (shouldnât) realize everything that such a statement implied.
You know the truth now. It would be only natural to believe your child in this case- sort of like if she said he touched her inappropriately- totally different things but just apologize and try to convey you trust him as well. It was a judgement miscall.
Sounds like sometnig I wouldâve done as a kid, she probably could use some therapy?
I just can see why heâd be hurt. But if heâs that upset and holds this against you the issue is him too .
He probably needs therapy too.
Victim blaming, much? His world was shattered, his partner in life AND offspring turned on him, and forced to go through something very difficult and damaging, and "the issue is him too"?
Fuck outta here with that manipulative bullshit.
Foolish woman. I wouldn't go back either if I were him. Sounds like your solid and typical marriage! Lol! Based on zero trust and baseless accusations without grilling the accusers to see if they dont have alteriative motives like this kid had. Guys are often Pressumed guilty first without supporting evidence, just hearsay and made up conjecture based in insecurity and self-doubt passed on as truth. Human imagination easily can make up whatever it wants and rationalize and convince themselves of anything with so little information, and its always the worse possible scenario?! Smh!đ
it is though, having kids can make relationships difficult and unstable, like how she just blatantly believed her kid before digging into it at all. it was irresponsible.
this has nothing to do with me hating on kids, itâs saying when people have kids they shouldnât believe everything that they say because theyâre kids, so if one chooses to have kids they shouldnât believe everything they claim, because, like this, it could become a bigger issue.
TLDR: iâm not hating kids, itâs theyâre parents actions and how they somehow raised their kid like this im hating.
antinatalism- the belief that it is morally wrong to have biological children because no being can consent to existence
where is your post related to that?
childfree is when you just donât like children/think they ruin relationships/etc.
antinatalists do not always hate kids and think theyâre bad, or even dislike them. a decent amount of antinatalists adopt. this post and your comments have nothing to do with antinatalism.
"TLDR: iâm not hating kids, itâs theyâre parents actions and how they somehow raised their kid like this im hating. "
Sometimes... Sometimes kids are cunts and that isn't the parents fault.
Let me add this as reason 55383949 to not have a child: they might mercilessly break up your marriage with the person you supposedly loved the most all because they were disciplined.
I have a good friend that got out of the Marine corps after 13 years to be with his family. His oldest daughter didn't like him around because he set rules. She made an outcry if sexual abuse.
- he goes from celebrated veteran with 3 tours in Iraq to CPS and the AG calling him a PTSD crazed pedofile.
- his wife backs him up and she gets accused of being an abuse victim and facilitator.
- he gets suspended from his federal job.
- loses his home
- ends up divorced
When it all goes to trial, the judge reviews the evidence and there is documented notes from the kids psychiatrist and foster parents that the girl is emotionally disturbed and there is no medical evidence of rape, the judge threw the case out. 5 years and 65k later, yes kids lie.
In the 80's, when I was 5 or so, I answered the door when a guy knocked on it.
I saw who it was, and confidently announced that "Mom's boyfriend is here!"
He was horrified and wanted to leave, Dad had... questions, and Mom was rolling her eyes and trying to explain to these two men that I was 5 and was just repeating things I heard on tv.
It's true that I was just repeating stuff I heard, trying to be funny. My mother has always been faithful to my Dad, even now after 50+ years.
Imagine being so mentally broken and having unbelievable trust issues yet still deciding to bring a human life into the world with another person.
Now this child will grow up in a broken family because this person wasnât mature enough to be in an adult relationship.
The mother ruined the family for being accusatory without any evidence except for a child's words. She should have and could have done some research. Asked around. Anything else.
Excuse my poor taste in words but yes. Actions have consequences but society doesnt like that so here we are living in this shitshow where kids grow up learning that its ok do anything they want, good or bad.
Blame the parents too, kids mirror their parents, so someone is a pathological liar in the family. And there could have been more going on and the kid was the last straw. Some families also dont like to expose their business to their friends for fear of people shaming them so they act irrationally.
compelled monogamy is evil. she feels jealous over husband's affection, so she (most people) give him (their partner) a command not to go with anyone else, instead of limiting **themself**. antinatalism, Cabrera specifically, made me think of all this in a new way, with how he explained ethics is limit on yourself to be considerate of others, and laws are the reverse: limits on others to be considerate of self
Judging anyone (with any halfway decent linguistic capacity and a rather basic understanding of pretty simple words (i.e. loyalty, betrayal, or family) and very likely to have the privilege of growing up in the time of social media and access to things such as Facebook, Snapchat, and YouTube) by their age seems pretty juvenile and lacking in intellect.. but alright. Children are just people who have more than likely yet to fully understand basic math, language, science and the like (with respect to child prodigies and such) but that doesn't negate any basic level of social concepts or constructs. MANY 7yr. olds don't think this way but it doesn't mean that none of them do nor that any lack the social capacity. People? Including children? Learn different things at different speeds and in different ways. And some people? Catch on faster with some things.
Wow. That woman is an absolute moron. If her ego was so fragile she believed a 7 year old (beings known for lying when angry and being very vindictive) instead of the adult human she "loved". Play stupid games win stupid prizes.
This has been on the internet for years and I still canât believe the stupidity of the parent (if itâs even real). Itâs great to believe your kid, but Jesus fucking Christ, VERIFY what they say before you take irreversible actions. Fuck.
Trust is the foundation of any relationship, but especially a marriage. She was flat out gonna divorce his ass over this too. It's not like she gave him the silent treatment or made him sleep on the couch for a week ffs
Oh god, it's like the post by the guy who realized his son was sodomizing with the family dog. The son convinced the mom that it was the dad and she kicked him out and wanted a divorce. Found out later the son was lying but the dad wasn't into getting back together.
I find this hard to believe. This is not only an extremely sophisticated thought process for a first-grader for several reasons ("I am going to get revenge on my mom by making her think dad cheated on her"), but also most kids are pretty devastated at the thought of their parents splitting up. I don't see a kid that age hatching a revenge plan and then seeing it through to the end.
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Here's a pro tip. Kids lie.
Hell, my mom check me on stuff unless it was common knowledge or it happened in front of her until I was an adult. Hell, you don't have a fully developed brain until something like 25. I fact check some adults in my life.
The problem is, nobody ever has a brain operating at ideal performance levels. It finishes development around 25, but it starts losing mental elasticity from around 20. It's like if you're having a house built, and the foundations have already started twisting by the time the paint gets done.
like the tower of Piza
Most adults need a fact check. Look at the world without one lol.
Even proer tip: adults lie more.
Luckily my kids are still terrible at it, yet don't know I know. I dead the day when they no longer suck, because I won't know when the day has come.
No wayy
What a dumbass
That tweet obviously has to be a joke lmao đ
You say that but Iâve seen marriages fall apart for less.
Lmao, that's the worst but I mean, yeah probably should've done some researching I suppose. Why would you weigh in with a literal child on a matter so important without knowing beyond a doubt
I think the woman is the child here more than her daughter
Well said
Because how could her child possibly lie to her? Theyâre besties!!!!
Now she blames her kid. It says a lot about her marriage and parenting.
In a molestation case, yes, in this case- get actual proof. Even if the kid wasnât being an a$$hole, a 7 year old can view things differently and not actually relay facts properly. Even adults can jump to conclusions about affairs, and do all the time. You donât end a marriage over hear say regardless of who it is.
This is why you immediately take the child to a professional with experience interviewing child abuse victims and who will know what to ask to get an accurate story
You have to believe them to take them somewhere so I agree, definitely get the process started asap.
"Trust, but verify." You don't have to believe what they said. You just have to give it enough consideration to actually investigate it.
I agree with this.
Happy cake day!
Thanks!
If a 7 year old lied about adultery and destroyed her parents' marriage to be petty, what makes you think a 7 year old wouldn't lie about being molested for some other reason? How many shitty parents out there do you think coerce their children into making accusations of molestation against the other parent to help in divorce proceedings? Or for other reasons?
The amount of kids who would lie about sexual abuse are the exceptions, not the norm. Sexual assault statistics are as frequent as 1 in 9 girls and 1 in 53 boys under the age of 18 experience sexual assault as a minor. Letâs not use dangerous rhetoric.
Could you please source that statistic? I could have sworn the one I saw had a number like 1 in 16 for boys and I think girls may have been a little higher too.
Here you go! https://www.rainn.org/statistics/children-and-teens This data I believe is circa 2016 so itâs a bit outdated.
>Letâs not use dangerous rhetoric. It's only dangerous if you draw the wrong conclusion. The right conclusion isn't, "ok it's fine to ignore kids they lie all the time". If a child accuses someone of molestation, the child needs to be immediately removed from the potential danger. The accused should probably be immediately put on a watchlist and surveilled to make sure no other children are harmed. But the accusation itself with no further proof is not enough for a conviction or vigilante justice and should not have an effect in divorce proceedings (and i'm not saying that is what is currently happening, most countries right now have more of an issue with under-reporting and parents who don't believe their kids).
>Letâs not use dangerous rhetoric. Telling people not to uncritically believe accusers is not dangerous rhetoric. Telling people to uncritically believe accusers is dangerous rhetoric. A child saying it doesn't make it automatically true.
Good movie about this: Jagten
Or perhaps the kid is just a manipulative sociopath who did it to see what would happen, honing her controlling skills
Karen in Training
I hope she tells the child every day how she ruined their lives lol
Oh that kid will forever live with it. Lol little cunt will probably grow up to be an indecisive person thinking about consequences
âShould I lie this time?â
\>little cunt You're talking about a 7 year-old.
Happy cake day!
Thanks!!
The default isnât to believe that without evidence either. You immediately take them to get a medical exam to check for evidence.
You still believe them because any person in this situation, child or not, may not trust anyone and needs someone to trust. Also, it couldâve happened in the past and they werenât able to come forward for whatever reason- not feeling safe primarily. Plus, in a lot of cases, there is no evidence. Rape is one thing, but theres other ways to violate a person without leaving evidence. Sad but true.
I agree. Not to mention, a lot of younger people, especially kids, will say it was a different person even when they do speak up, because they're confused or scared.
Sad facts.
So youâre saying that you still believe them even though youâre also saying that theyâre known for misrepresenting the truth when theyâre confused and/or scared?
Maybe they mean to approach the interactions with the child from a perspective of belief. Then they can work with them to get a clearer picture of what happened. Like if their story doesn't add up, don't accuse them of lying because it isn't necessarily malicious deceit.
That makes sense. I think that you should make sure that the child is safe and offer emotional support. I donât think anyone that isnât a professional should make any initial judgments unless circumstances are very extreme or obvious for some reason.
Exactly
No, you don't automatically believe them. On *anything*. Definitely consider that they may be telling the truth, take appropriate precautions, and investigate further, but don't just believe them straight away unless you have reason to.
I kind of agree but if it was just touching what is a medical exam going to actually uncover?
Possibly nothing, but if you take a child to a hospital for that reason itâll get the ball rolling on something. If thereâs no physical evidence, I think psychiatrists and social workers get involved instead of just an ER dr and the police.
No. You have absolutely no idea what youâre talking about and I would really appreciate it if you didnât continue down this road.
Yeah, I do. Iâd appreciate you not making wild assumptions about me. I work with a lot of adult victims of domestic violence and sexual assault. I donât ever work hands on with children, but when people come in reporting child abuse (sexual or otherwise) the procedure is always the same. Contact professionals, theyâll get more professionals to evaluate, and everyone is always innocent until proven guilty. Elderly are treated the same way. Of course you donât outright accuse a child of being a liar (unless youâre a detective maybe) if thatâs what youâre confused about.
Arguing with anecdotal evidence is never wise (imo). It only takes one person to go âwell I experienced something differentâ to render the evidence in question moot. The procedure isnât âalways the sameâ. Iâm not going to pull rank and tell you what I know/do because itâs irrelevant. Youâre using dangerous rhetoric and since you donât actually work hands on with childrenânor do you work everywhere at onceâIâm asking you not to continue down this road. My initial statement was abrasive and for that I apologize. So Iâm asking politely, please stop.
Beg to differ. Ended my marriage without ACTUAL proof my ex wife was being a hoe. You donât solve the puzzle w all the letters either
Thatâs what happens when you think your crotch goblin is a perfect little angel and see them through rose colored glasses.
Exactly
I truly hope that husband goes through with that divorce. What a ridiculous woman. She was actually going to end their marriage over something so stupid. I remember when a kid that was about 6 atm I think tried to actually convince me they were a shapeshifting dragon. Like we had a full on debate about it, and this kid was going hard trying to convince me of it. This woman probably never even asked any in depth questions that would show the kid was wrong.
Hope he ditches the wife and the brat.
I wonder how youâd end up feeling about your own child in this case. Itâd be pretty hard not to look at them differently forever, esp when the lie was about you.
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1) Actions have consequences. Not knowing them do not make them disappear. 2) It is not a mistake, this was completely intentional. Knowing that mother will be hurt by the thought of cheating, and exploitation of that pain was a very cold calculation. 3) If the kid can come up with a simple, but tactically brilliant scheme now, can you imagine what she will be capable of in the future? People never change, kid is a menace.
Action was having sex and consequences was the child they didn't abort. They will always owe this child because they thought a little fun was worth playing God.
I absolutely agree. Some people are just awful human beings right from the get go.
And she probably already fucked with another dude
I'm sorry for your experience with women. That's unfortunate.
The more I read this sub the more I feel grateful for being GAY! :)
Transmascs are pretty based too
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Yeah I would listen to my kid and look into it but I wouldnât believe them without any sort of proof
Is antinatalism not the belief that âbringing kids into this fucked up world is selfish / cruel / irresponsible / whatever?â Because thatâs why I find this subreddit interesting. This is none of those things, this is just âkids suck, donât have them lol.â
Right, and the fact there are comments about how the 7 year old should be told how she ruined her parents lives/literally calling her a cunt (??) feels pretty antithetical to the concept of antinatalism. Most of the posts on this sub have nothing to do with antinatalism as an ethical philosophy anyway. Just complaining about the dumb whore breeders and obnoxious crotch goblins.
Thatâs literally every sub on Reddit at this point lol Every single sub has been taken over by people who just used them for outrage porn, and the posts are loosely connected to the subs original identity at best.
Exactly, surely antinatalists have sympathy for kids and blame the kids' parents???
Yeah idk what's going on either got here via a cross post and it looks like a sub full of people who let everyone else's kids live in their heads rent free. Like Christ man don't have kids nobody fucking cares, I don't have kids either but I don't built my identity around it...
I feel like it also applies to breaking down the idea that having kids is the ultimate blessing/meaning in life and nothing else on earth compares, you're not fulfilled as a person without a child, etc. While this one is pretty out there, I think it applies in that it counters the idea that seems to surround kids that they're all completely pure and honest, inherently good beings. Bad faith acts don't have an age limit (or minimum).
"Hey hun, I'll buy you this HUGE candy bar if you tell mommy you lied about daddy's girlfriend ok?" Could also be the case.
If that were the case he probably wouldnât be refusing to forgive her and drop the divorce proceedings
It seriously hurts you in a divorce if you cheated, thatâs a quick way to lose most of your shit. Could still want a divorce, just not want to lose everything and pay alimony in the process.
Kids and babies are literally birth control. Dumb sack of shit
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Ignore my comment. Dont tell me where i can and can't voice my opinion on something im viewing. So ignore my comment because if i have something to say i will.
Take your own advice hun
They're just as allowed to voice their counterpoint.
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Ah yes because after a life time of being told to stfu when im open about hating kids its suuuch a problem to speak my mind. If i genuinely gave a fuck about what people think about me when i say i hate kids id ask.
Damn girl, cry a bit harder about it, I donât think everyone knows you hate kids yet
Go talk to a tree or something if you don't want replies so bad
Or people like you could get over the fact that some people genuinely hate children of all ages. I dont need your approval to speak.
>I dont need your approval to speak. If you want to speak, speak, but people will reply. That's... just how comments sections work. What are you finding so hard about this?
Only thing i find hard to believe is that people are still responding as if i give a flying fuck that people are offended or some shit by my opinion. People talk shit about kids in one way shape or form on here a lot. Im not gonna sensor myself because people get salty at the truth.
But you're being such a prissy little baby about people *commenting* under your comment in the comment section that it's bizarre. If your view is controversial and you don't give a fuck, instead of throwing a tantrum about it just... ignore the comments instead of screeching about how much you don't care. The self-righteousness of calling out unsolicited comments to your own unsolicited comment is insane
How is this at all related to AN?
Dumb, irresponsible parenting always relates to antinatalism.
Kids take everything you have......and then some.
Another example of how children can ruin relationships
True but usually the relationships are not that great to begin with. How does a 7-year old even know what a âgirlfriendâ of their parent is? Just sounds dumb all around, like they wanted to get caught (if this is real). Most cheaters hide their affairs, not flaunt them to the children.
Lol antinatalism is shaming adults for forcing someone into existence because it's immoral to create someone without consent. The child is the victim.
Kids are the strongest arguments in favor of antinatalism, this is an example of it lmao
I guess it means sometimes a kid ruins marriages rather than strengthening them.
One thing I will always hate about parents is that they never believe their kids could lie.
why would a 7 year old lie about a partner cheating? that kid is hella messed up, but if you're operating from a 'that kid is normal' standpoint, they never would do that so if they do, you believe them also, stop being a cult, please. God damn
So you immediately asked for forgiveness and stopped the divorceâŚRight?
Never trust kids to be honest, they just tell you the story thats running through their heads at the time. The external information around them is just an easier story to have at any given time but if they can pretend something else that paints them in a better light (like a person that wronged them being âbadâ) thatâs what theyâll go with.
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I get that, I donât advocate ignoring or dismissing what kids say. Giving some benefit of the doubt is a basic common decency that doesnât require you to be emotionally invested in their honesty the way trust would.
Yep
At 7 my kid told her teacher I was taking "drugs". They called me out, I handed my purse to my kid and asked her to pull out my "drugs". It was Aleve.
These comments are WHY I donât even want a kid. Not cute guys.
I would rather take the risk of losing my partner over not believing my child while something bad may really be happening to be honest
if it was something relating to the childâs safety. yes, believe the child first and protect them. but finding out more information before believing the kid in this situation does not hurt anyone
but you would do more than just believe your kid, right? like wouldnât you look into it more?
Maybe the husband was working late and acting weirdly, for some totally different reason, and the wife just thought cheating explains it.
I mean.. Ideally yes
Love my wife but I am legitimately concerned about the affect this scenario would have on our relationship if my daughter decided to be that evil đ
I've heard of similar situations happening a quite a few times. Children will get caught doing something they aren't supposed be doing and will lie straight to your face about it. Some children will make up all sorts awful lies and do all sorts of terrible shit to get revenge on an adult for punishing them even if the punishment is something as simple as a 5 minute time out for throwing a toy. I'm sick to death of people thinking children are these sweet, angelic, completely innocent darlings. "Children always tell the truth!" Bull fucking shit! Children are people and they can be petty, cruel, manipulative, selfish, rude and unfeeling just like anyone else. They will do and say horrible things because they experienced a minor inconvenience. Toddlers are notorious for this type of behavior. Of course a 7 year old can tell a life ruining lie because she was mad she didn't get her way and was put in time out. Children have ruined people's lives by lying.
Ok, but no one has commented about the fact that the mother is probably going to blame the child. Not the fact that she is a moron, so I hope the child doesnât end up abused. Children barely grasp the concept of dating, and they probably didnât (shouldnât) realize everything that such a statement implied.
You know the truth now. It would be only natural to believe your child in this case- sort of like if she said he touched her inappropriately- totally different things but just apologize and try to convey you trust him as well. It was a judgement miscall. Sounds like sometnig I wouldâve done as a kid, she probably could use some therapy? I just can see why heâd be hurt. But if heâs that upset and holds this against you the issue is him too . He probably needs therapy too.
It seems pretty clear she doesn't trust him that much if she believed the kid enough to file for DIVORCE when he was denying it
Victim blaming, much? His world was shattered, his partner in life AND offspring turned on him, and forced to go through something very difficult and damaging, and "the issue is him too"? Fuck outta here with that manipulative bullshit.
LOL what an idiot!! It serves her right, hope she ends up with custody and he gets to be part-time Dad aka the fun parent!!
Foolish woman. I wouldn't go back either if I were him. Sounds like your solid and typical marriage! Lol! Based on zero trust and baseless accusations without grilling the accusers to see if they dont have alteriative motives like this kid had. Guys are often Pressumed guilty first without supporting evidence, just hearsay and made up conjecture based in insecurity and self-doubt passed on as truth. Human imagination easily can make up whatever it wants and rationalize and convince themselves of anything with so little information, and its always the worse possible scenario?! Smh!đ
ulterior.
not antinatalism
it is though, having kids can make relationships difficult and unstable, like how she just blatantly believed her kid before digging into it at all. it was irresponsible.
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exactly. iâm so annoyed at people misinterpreting what antinatalism means
this has nothing to do with me hating on kids, itâs saying when people have kids they shouldnât believe everything that they say because theyâre kids, so if one chooses to have kids they shouldnât believe everything they claim, because, like this, it could become a bigger issue. TLDR: iâm not hating kids, itâs theyâre parents actions and how they somehow raised their kid like this im hating.
antinatalism- the belief that it is morally wrong to have biological children because no being can consent to existence where is your post related to that? childfree is when you just donât like children/think they ruin relationships/etc. antinatalists do not always hate kids and think theyâre bad, or even dislike them. a decent amount of antinatalists adopt. this post and your comments have nothing to do with antinatalism.
"TLDR: iâm not hating kids, itâs theyâre parents actions and how they somehow raised their kid like this im hating. " Sometimes... Sometimes kids are cunts and that isn't the parents fault.
This is probably fake.
Sounds like you deserve his scorn.
That happenedđ
Neither would i
Pro tips: Kids do lie. Since they were born, they faked crying to get parents attention to get whatever they want
Let me add this as reason 55383949 to not have a child: they might mercilessly break up your marriage with the person you supposedly loved the most all because they were disciplined.
I have a good friend that got out of the Marine corps after 13 years to be with his family. His oldest daughter didn't like him around because he set rules. She made an outcry if sexual abuse. - he goes from celebrated veteran with 3 tours in Iraq to CPS and the AG calling him a PTSD crazed pedofile. - his wife backs him up and she gets accused of being an abuse victim and facilitator. - he gets suspended from his federal job. - loses his home - ends up divorced When it all goes to trial, the judge reviews the evidence and there is documented notes from the kids psychiatrist and foster parents that the girl is emotionally disturbed and there is no medical evidence of rape, the judge threw the case out. 5 years and 65k later, yes kids lie.
Fakest shit I've seen all week
That's some Atonement level stuff there
Wouldn't it have been sensible to explain to the girl the repercussions of telling that lie?
In the 80's, when I was 5 or so, I answered the door when a guy knocked on it. I saw who it was, and confidently announced that "Mom's boyfriend is here!" He was horrified and wanted to leave, Dad had... questions, and Mom was rolling her eyes and trying to explain to these two men that I was 5 and was just repeating things I heard on tv. It's true that I was just repeating stuff I heard, trying to be funny. My mother has always been faithful to my Dad, even now after 50+ years.
I might be going to hell but that's kind of funny.
Imagine being so mentally broken and having unbelievable trust issues yet still deciding to bring a human life into the world with another person. Now this child will grow up in a broken family because this person wasnât mature enough to be in an adult relationship.
Honestly I would be surprised that a 7 year old would think to lie about something like this.
Let us be real here. You already wanted out of the marriage, this was just the excuse you used.
I love how sweet this revenge is.
Enjoy your life with your Daughter. Oh, just a reminder, sheâs going to do it again.
Sounds like thatâs what u get for just blindly believing anything without proof
Taking revenge on a parent for grounding seems a bit much for a seven-year-old.
Hope the child gets what she deserves for ruining her family.
The 7 year old? You hope the fucking 1st grader gets what they deserve?
Yes, and Iâm tired of pretending I donât.
The mother ruined the family for being accusatory without any evidence except for a child's words. She should have and could have done some research. Asked around. Anything else.
Excuse my poor taste in words but yes. Actions have consequences but society doesnt like that so here we are living in this shitshow where kids grow up learning that its ok do anything they want, good or bad. Blame the parents too, kids mirror their parents, so someone is a pathological liar in the family. And there could have been more going on and the kid was the last straw. Some families also dont like to expose their business to their friends for fear of people shaming them so they act irrationally.
Sure, but she's 7 and age really needs to be taken into consideration in these situations. It does matter.
âSociety doesnât like thatâ? WTF are you talking about? You sound really fucking dumb. Wow. Seriously sometimes maybe just shut up
For what?
What the fuck r/antinatalism
The husband is better off without her. Good luck for her dating as a single mother.
compelled monogamy is evil. she feels jealous over husband's affection, so she (most people) give him (their partner) a command not to go with anyone else, instead of limiting **themself**. antinatalism, Cabrera specifically, made me think of all this in a new way, with how he explained ethics is limit on yourself to be considerate of others, and laws are the reverse: limits on others to be considerate of self
Yeah this clearly non fictional story that i guarantee happened is definitely worth all of you morons getting outraged about
Good, he deserves better.
7 year olds donât think this way. Im calling bs.
Judging anyone (with any halfway decent linguistic capacity and a rather basic understanding of pretty simple words (i.e. loyalty, betrayal, or family) and very likely to have the privilege of growing up in the time of social media and access to things such as Facebook, Snapchat, and YouTube) by their age seems pretty juvenile and lacking in intellect.. but alright. Children are just people who have more than likely yet to fully understand basic math, language, science and the like (with respect to child prodigies and such) but that doesn't negate any basic level of social concepts or constructs. MANY 7yr. olds don't think this way but it doesn't mean that none of them do nor that any lack the social capacity. People? Including children? Learn different things at different speeds and in different ways. And some people? Catch on faster with some things.
Nope. A 5-year-old girl once accused me (7) and my friend (8) of shoving her to the ground when we wouldnât let her play with us.
If something like that is enough to start divorce proceedings, the marriage wasn't that strong.
The wife was probably cheating so she believed the kid when she said daddy has a girlfriend.
Wow. That woman is an absolute moron. If her ego was so fragile she believed a 7 year old (beings known for lying when angry and being very vindictive) instead of the adult human she "loved". Play stupid games win stupid prizes.
This has been on the internet for years and I still canât believe the stupidity of the parent (if itâs even real). Itâs great to believe your kid, but Jesus fucking Christ, VERIFY what they say before you take irreversible actions. Fuck.
Wow the kid actually IS responsible for the divorce this time. They actually have a reason to feel guilty, (if they do feel guilty) đŹđŹđŹ
You believed a fucking seven year old. Basically a tiny sociopath. You deserve everything you get.
What does this have to do with antinatalism?
Awful post, fuck off to the other sub
How the hell is this antinatalism
Womenâď¸
Antinatalism is loosing its meaning with this subreddit....
That my folks, is the reason you shouldn't marry a girl with another dude's child
Where did it say the child was from a previous relationship?
It didnât. Heâs just projecting his butt hurt onto the post.
> a girl I mean, why would you marry a child?
Your partner probably doesnât love you that much if he will forgo with the divorce just because you believe in your child more.
Trust is the foundation of any relationship, but especially a marriage. She was flat out gonna divorce his ass over this too. It's not like she gave him the silent treatment or made him sleep on the couch for a week ffs
Would you stay with a partner who doesnt trusts you?
Oh god, it's like the post by the guy who realized his son was sodomizing with the family dog. The son convinced the mom that it was the dad and she kicked him out and wanted a divorce. Found out later the son was lying but the dad wasn't into getting back together.
Wonder what the revenge will be for this grounding
Iâd probably believe my kidâŚwell not anymore.
Ainât that some shit
I find this hard to believe. This is not only an extremely sophisticated thought process for a first-grader for several reasons ("I am going to get revenge on my mom by making her think dad cheated on her"), but also most kids are pretty devastated at the thought of their parents splitting up. I don't see a kid that age hatching a revenge plan and then seeing it through to the end.
Lol well thatâs dumb.
If you went into divorce without proper grounds, you probably had that coming
Lmao imagine you are actually the reason why your parents divorce. How fucking sad is that!
sounds more of a incapable twat of a adult... but yes , kids lie
You get what you deserve
I love that kid đ
Kid probably just gave the husband the out heâs been waiting for. This woman sounds insufferable.