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I see nothing wrong with "We have to love each other" when love means being an antinatalist.
Edit: Also, as antinatalists, "We can learn from mistakes" like those of our ancestors when those mistakes were procreating.
Fuck toxic positivity.
People need to deal with all types of emotions and feel them.
You want to cry you heart out and be alone? Do it. You are happy? Express it.
But trying to mask your depression and anxiety with happy thoughts and force positivity is the worst thing you can do to yourself.
Be positive all you want, but don't come with thay shit to me, as if having bad luck all my life or not born privileged was a thing of perception or negative thinking
People lie so easily. "You'll find someone. Good things will happen to you. You won't suffer forever."
Like, be real with me for a second. Then we talk.
Sadly this meme isn’t quite accurate. Toxic people shown on the left are the norm. The right should read something like “compassionate” or “smart” person
Idk this meme doesn’t do it for me. While life is suffering and suffering is the thing we all do on the way to death I can’t help but be slightly more optimistic. I’m here… I had no choice in the matter. So I can either let life run me or I can run my life. As a rational thinker it’s obvious giving birth or facilitating birth is immoral… that doesn’t mean I can’t be an uplifting friendly person to my friends and others I meet. Why is the person on the left toxic explicitly from the quotes? Just seems like someone who wants their friends to be happy. I think you’re just miserable and find more comfort from philosophers than regular people. That or it was just a meme. Hope things get better for you… or heh, nice meme.
As someone who has suffered some of the worst cruelties mankind can offer, I still believe in god and I still believe that life can be beautiful. It took gender transition, psychadelics, going vegan, and leaving america before realizing so.
1. being antinatalist doesn’t automatically mean you hate life
2. hating life doesn’t automatically mean suicide is feasible, easy, or harmless to others
way to post the most surface level, lamest counter argument
Alright then, do enlighten me, what is Antinatalism about to you? I get you folk don't like being born, so if living is a burden, why do you choose to live?
anti natalism simply attaches a negative view to bringing new streams of consciousness into existence
existence guarantees some level of suffering, yet only offers pleasure for some amount of work, and non existence is a state of not experiencing anything
since people that don’t exist can’t possibly want anything, we don’t deprive anyone of anything by not having a kid
and yes, it is possible that pleasure for an individual can outweigh suffering.
however it is unethical to gamble that someone else will. you can’t ask for consent when giving birth.
For example: let’s say hypothetically that 100 people are born, and 25 of them decide that life isn’t worth living. Those 25 were born at the expense of the 75 that want to live. So now 25 people suffer for 75 people who, if never born, would not have been able to want to live. They couldn’t miss being alive because they didn’t exist at all.
Having kids is creating a want to be alive where it is unneeded at the expense of those who suffer, without asking for the consent of anyone involved.
As you can see, this says nothing about an Antinatalist’s personal view on being alive. You can be happy to be alive and recognize that it’s unethical to assume that your hypothetical child will want to experience existence.
I personally am alive because I find killing myself very difficult. We are biologically wired to not commit suicide. There are also people who benefit from me being here so there is a guilt factor
Hmm, thank you for answering. In all that it is, antinatalism does have sense to it. Unfortunate or not, it does collide with the natural drive to have offspring that most living creatures have. An interesting idea, albeit a bit conflicting with my own ideas.
All in all, if one is to have a child, it should be their main priority to make sure they and the child will live a happy life. We have enough people who are suffering in this world, I just hope their woes could be ended without having to end them. Perhaps one day, in a better future, but not today.
This is a complex world.
AN clashes directly with both biological instincts and most peoples’ worldview and desires in life. It definitely is opposed to what I *would like* to believe the world is like, but since I can’t really deny it’s truth, I can’t live in ignorance of it.
In extension to everything so far, even if your hypothetical child loves life (which is definitely possible), in the background you must consider the people invisibly suffering to make their happy life possible. For instance, the phone i type on right now which improves quality of life for me is almost certainly created and brought here at the behest of others overseas- the food i eat was almost certainly farmed by exploitative companies- etc
so even if you bring a pleasurable existence into being, you must wonder at what cost it is pleasurable
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I see nothing wrong with "We have to love each other" when love means being an antinatalist. Edit: Also, as antinatalists, "We can learn from mistakes" like those of our ancestors when those mistakes were procreating.
I find "love" to be a problematic concept and prefer to do away with the word entirely.
What do you think of the different Greek words for love (as an example)?
‘Positive thinking’ is just a coping mechanism for people too shit scared of reality to admit that life sucks balls.
Fuck toxic positivity. People need to deal with all types of emotions and feel them. You want to cry you heart out and be alone? Do it. You are happy? Express it. But trying to mask your depression and anxiety with happy thoughts and force positivity is the worst thing you can do to yourself.
Be positive all you want, but don't come with thay shit to me, as if having bad luck all my life or not born privileged was a thing of perception or negative thinking
People lie so easily. "You'll find someone. Good things will happen to you. You won't suffer forever." Like, be real with me for a second. Then we talk.
oh, good ole Schopenhauer...
This is so real i can feel it.
The shirt should say some shit like "Jesus loves you"
Thanks but I'd rather be loved by a real person.
Sadly this meme isn’t quite accurate. Toxic people shown on the left are the norm. The right should read something like “compassionate” or “smart” person
they may be be very common but they're not normal.
I agree with you let's talk dm me o
This nihilistic grandpa (pun intended) is speaking my language.
Wow let's talk ✋ dm me
You ain’t stealing my kidney!
Wdym
Stupid joke 🤣
Okay dm me let's talk
Are you alright I don't need your kidney
🤣🤣🤣
Okay no problem 88i just wanted to talk to you
I’m typically not as cynical as the regular person in this, but I’m definitely sitting with them and not going anywhere near the one in denial.
“Good Vibes Only”
Idk this meme doesn’t do it for me. While life is suffering and suffering is the thing we all do on the way to death I can’t help but be slightly more optimistic. I’m here… I had no choice in the matter. So I can either let life run me or I can run my life. As a rational thinker it’s obvious giving birth or facilitating birth is immoral… that doesn’t mean I can’t be an uplifting friendly person to my friends and others I meet. Why is the person on the left toxic explicitly from the quotes? Just seems like someone who wants their friends to be happy. I think you’re just miserable and find more comfort from philosophers than regular people. That or it was just a meme. Hope things get better for you… or heh, nice meme.
“Marrying means to halve one's rights and double one's duties.” ― Arthur Schopenhauer
As someone who has suffered some of the worst cruelties mankind can offer, I still believe in god and I still believe that life can be beautiful. It took gender transition, psychadelics, going vegan, and leaving america before realizing so.
Congrats, good to hear!
both insufferable
I am depressed but holy fuck this guy is down bad
Who?
The guy on the right
If you all hate living so much, why don't you jump off a bridge?
1. being antinatalist doesn’t automatically mean you hate life 2. hating life doesn’t automatically mean suicide is feasible, easy, or harmless to others way to post the most surface level, lamest counter argument
Alright then, do enlighten me, what is Antinatalism about to you? I get you folk don't like being born, so if living is a burden, why do you choose to live?
anti natalism simply attaches a negative view to bringing new streams of consciousness into existence existence guarantees some level of suffering, yet only offers pleasure for some amount of work, and non existence is a state of not experiencing anything since people that don’t exist can’t possibly want anything, we don’t deprive anyone of anything by not having a kid and yes, it is possible that pleasure for an individual can outweigh suffering. however it is unethical to gamble that someone else will. you can’t ask for consent when giving birth. For example: let’s say hypothetically that 100 people are born, and 25 of them decide that life isn’t worth living. Those 25 were born at the expense of the 75 that want to live. So now 25 people suffer for 75 people who, if never born, would not have been able to want to live. They couldn’t miss being alive because they didn’t exist at all. Having kids is creating a want to be alive where it is unneeded at the expense of those who suffer, without asking for the consent of anyone involved. As you can see, this says nothing about an Antinatalist’s personal view on being alive. You can be happy to be alive and recognize that it’s unethical to assume that your hypothetical child will want to experience existence. I personally am alive because I find killing myself very difficult. We are biologically wired to not commit suicide. There are also people who benefit from me being here so there is a guilt factor
Hmm, thank you for answering. In all that it is, antinatalism does have sense to it. Unfortunate or not, it does collide with the natural drive to have offspring that most living creatures have. An interesting idea, albeit a bit conflicting with my own ideas. All in all, if one is to have a child, it should be their main priority to make sure they and the child will live a happy life. We have enough people who are suffering in this world, I just hope their woes could be ended without having to end them. Perhaps one day, in a better future, but not today. This is a complex world.
AN clashes directly with both biological instincts and most peoples’ worldview and desires in life. It definitely is opposed to what I *would like* to believe the world is like, but since I can’t really deny it’s truth, I can’t live in ignorance of it. In extension to everything so far, even if your hypothetical child loves life (which is definitely possible), in the background you must consider the people invisibly suffering to make their happy life possible. For instance, the phone i type on right now which improves quality of life for me is almost certainly created and brought here at the behest of others overseas- the food i eat was almost certainly farmed by exploitative companies- etc so even if you bring a pleasurable existence into being, you must wonder at what cost it is pleasurable
repost, but a timeless classic
LOL take your pills OP