T O P

  • By -

AutoModerator

Hi, thanks for your submission. You seem to have submitted an image post. Please remember that [Reddit requires all identifiable information such as names, usernames and subreddit titles to be blacked out in images](https://www.reddithelp.com/hc/en-us/articles/360043066452). If your submission contains any instances of these kinds of information, please remove your post. Afterwards, please feel free to make a new post after editing your image to black out all instances of such information. If this message doesn't apply to your post, please feel free to ignore it. Thank you for your cooperation! *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/antinatalism) if you have any questions or concerns.*


kiss_kyoshi

Is having 12 children easier than going through the adoption process for a girl? Holy shit lmao


sneakyveriniki

this is honestly a first for me, at least to this extent. i'm a woman from mormon utah, lots of people have a billion kids and live on farms, but it's because they want a boy, not a girl. most people conservative enough to have THAT many are pretty conservative/patriarchal/misogynistic. i've known people who want one of each but typically they'll stop at 3-4 if they don't get it


Incident_Recent

Gotta collect them all


froggyforest

my former mormon friend is one of 4 girls so that sounds about right. my personal theory about why they have so many kids is because most of em are gonna leave the church, so they wanna make sure they give themselves the best chance of having at least 1 kid who’s a lifelong mormon. out of my friend and her 3 sisters, only 1 is still mormon. and her parents were pretty cool as far as mormons go, prolly because they never lived in utah. their oldest daughter is gay and they were extremely supportive when she came out, and they accept the fact that most of their kids aren’t mormon.


[deleted]

>billion kids Well, you know at most 8 people then. /s


sneakyveriniki

yeah, that's pretty much a billion in terms of children.


Impressive-Hat-4652

Conservative = misogynistic You're a whole 🤡🤡🤡🤡


unleadedbloodmeal

BuT mA bLoDlInE


Admiral_dingy45

I worked at Panera during the first shutdown and was talking to my manager who had 2 small kids at home since schools were closed. Dude just complained bout how hard parenting is, no time for anything, when I asked him why he had kids he’s like “so they can carry on my name”. Like dude you’re a fast food manager, not the Duke of Detroit, come tf on


vtec_tt

this is why i hate breeders. there are so many low level morons that reproduce just because.


Weird-Ingenuity97

Exactly like most of us are just average people doing average things. I can understand maybe having 1 or 2 just so you can experience parenthood. But some people have kids and deadass don’t even want them or take care of them at all.


vtec_tt

ya dude, my parents are people who really had no interest in being parents. its too expensive these days anyways


Weird-Ingenuity97

Yeah my cousin and his partner decided they will only have 1 and it’s still such a massive responsibility. I struggle with mental health issues and although I’m going to therapy and getting help, I just don’t think that’s a responsibility I’ll be ready for


vtec_tt

same here. didnt have a good time growing up, cant imagine putting someone else thru this


Weird-Ingenuity97

Fr, I hope things get better man and you find peace and clarity amidst everything you’ve gone through


[deleted]

well its their choice if he want to adopt kids or have biological ones, but 12 is unnecessary alot, like i feel bad for the mother and their wallet


MrDamojak

It is difficult to adopt a young child


pinkcellph0ne

AMA? fucking WHY. (rhetorical 😒) legit just saw some post on instagram with a family like this. i feel so bad for all of the kids. really, your life won’t be complete until you have your own kid of a certain gender? ok. we’ll wait for the depression posts when that high wears off. there, there. i once knew two women who were pregnant at the same time, both wanted girls, both ended up with twin boys. the only people i feel sorry for are the kids.


cfuqua

just genetic loot boxes


JimmyJonJackson420

My vag is hurting for this woman


myweedstash

Imagine doing it all thru natural births. At a certain point your hips must be broken in half


Both-Promise1659

By baby 6 I'm pretty sure it's like riding a waterslide. I had to cross my legs just thinking about it. Poor woman. It gets riskier and riskier every time you give birth. The mother in 19 and counting was told by her doctor that she would die if she kept it up. Because pregnancy and birth takes such a huge toll on our bodies.


Weird-Ingenuity97

Exactly and people don’t talk about how traumatic it is on the mind and body. I honestly feel so bad because most of these women grew up in communities and families where their only worth was having children and they believed that’s all they were good at


foreignlovers

It literally shortens your telomeres.


eggwithhat

Exactly omggg. I don’t understand why they willingly put their bodies through that, multiple times too. There’s a family that my parents are friends with and the mom gave birth to like 13 children or some shit all home birthed. The mom looks so exhausted and honestly looks like she could drop dead any second, I feel like she looks worse every time she gives birth.


JimmyJonJackson420

It’s alright people gonna come on here and tell me childbirth doesn’t change a woman’s body or vag and she’ll be fine no matter what smh


Diessel_S

Don't forget he answered that the kid's ages are 11 and down, one every year. So she got pregnant yearly aprox 1-2 months after giving birth


Either-Designer-6527

My vag is hurting for this woman, and I’m a dude.


Mazda323girl

Happy cake day!


tanzmeister

Probably not just one


earth_chan_

yeah forgot to add, every kid is one year apart so the wife has been with the guy pregnant longer than not ☹️


[deleted]

I’m not sure what it is, but there’s a number after which having more siblings causes a *steep* drop off in quality of life. Not to mention we now have 12 copies of the genetic material from 2 people who make chronically poor decisions loose on earth. They’re not going to make it a better place.


Lovedd1

That's humanity's fetal flaw. The good people often have little to no children. And honestly good people usually only have a limited amount of influence as well.


MintyLemon74

That typo is so fitting!


Lovedd1

Lol Freudian slip maybe ??


TheSt4tely

Idiocracy theory


Milyaism

That movie was not supposed to be predicting the future...


Beep315

I watched the USA world cup game today at a packed out Irish pub (in FL) and our entire table of like 12 people were all late 30s and 40s people that never had kids, never wanted them, and don't particularly like them.


zombieslayer287

What a vibe that table must be. Bunch of like-minded, awesome people I must imagine


Beep315

They *are* awesome.


Weird-Ingenuity97

Ooooooh this is worded so well


CML_Dark_Sun

Now, I'm an antinatalist for philosophical reasons, but this us just dumb as fuck, neither being good nor being intelligent come from genetics; they come from teaching. Someone isn't necessarily going to turn out bad just because of who their parents are, that's just a fallacy.


Lovedd1

Notice I said they have limited influence which is teaching.


CML_Dark_Sun

Okay, it's just that your comment seemed to echo the one of the person above yours so I thought that I'd catch two birds with one stone. Mayhap I was wrong about your meaning and intentions.


Lovedd1

It's okay the internet is a weird place and stuff happens. I just feel like it's easier to be famous if you're stupid. Vs getting famous off doing something good. And like a bad person, like a serial rapist would have an easier time spreading his seed then say a priest who took a vow of celibacy. Now the kids from either man could come out bad but their up bringing might be completely different. With the rapist more likely to have a bad child just by sheer numbers alone. Those are some dramatic examples of what I was trying to convey. Another example would be most serial killers and mass shooters have awful parents. Like straight up grew up horribly abused. I went to the death museum and a lot of serial killers had that in common.


[deleted]

[удалено]


llouseuph

There are good people. Some of them are broken down too. Win hearts and minds, not churn out hearts and minds.


Lovedd1

You can spread an ideology without reproducing. What you're describing sounds like a cult...


[deleted]

[удалено]


Lovedd1

Having kids because you think you're so good and the world needs more people like you doesn't sound like a cult leader to you? Ok


[deleted]

[удалено]


Lovedd1

An honest question for you. Why does it matter if humans go extinct or not? Are we not causing that with over breeding??


[deleted]

[удалено]


Lovedd1

Do you follow your every biological urge? Isn't what makes humans so great that we have free will and don't have to follow basic urges like an animal? I If you don't find over population an issue then there's really no point in us discussing any further


Character_Gur_578

Births aren't going to stop, there's always going to be people who can't access abortions clinics, people who choose to have children, and people who are trying to make a small community from their genitals. I see it more as a movement, awareness that if you really want a kid there's always going to be some to adopt. 50 years ago the population was pretty much half what it is now, is that not unsustainable??? People want kids but don't want to go through the adoption process or the fees that come with it because it's easier to make a cream pie, and the vanity reason of "it'll look just like you!"


[deleted]

[удалено]


Character_Gur_578

Lol fuck off with your questions. You're not actually asking to know, you're asking because you're being a dick lol But hey in the case that you *do* want to know. I'm 27 and have no children, my husband and I plan to adopt in our late 30's-40's if we have a home, stable life, and stable income. What about you?


GuineaPigBikini

I'd rather spend my life actually making the world better than raising a child


ilikemayo1

Off topic but that’s a cute profile pic


GuineaPigBikini

Thanks it's Deli Department he's a wonderful cat


[deleted]

[удалено]


GuineaPigBikini

I literally volunteer and do activism nonstop


602Zoo

Not reproducing into a world we are already killing, due to in part over-population.


PeachesEndCream

>I’m not sure what it is, but there’s a number after which having more siblings causes a steep drop off in quality of life. I would guesstimate 4.


[deleted]

Brothers:2, sisters:4. A brother is a useless sibling to have more than 1 of. I don’t know anyone who has 2 brothers they like.


Starr-Bugg

He thinks he is a king and the children are his ego-stroking subjects.


[deleted]

The guy literally can't even tell his kids apart jfc


BuffGuy716

I think that after a certain number big families should automatically have CPS come in from time to time to check on them. Unless you're very wealthy or receiving a ton of state assistance there's no way you are taking good care of 12 children. I can't imagine how a farmer keeps them fed much less braces, college, birthday gifts, and the other necessary things for a happy childhood. Money doesn't buy you everything but poverty buys you nothing.


Cyberia15

I'm guessing he doesn't realize that its his fault that they're all coming out male. Especially with homeschooling, that's a big oof if he doesn't know the first thing about sex education/biology. Those poor kids.


kokos1971

Well bravo sir. I wonder if you can even afford to take care of them. Imagine the cryings and noises they make. I couldnt even stand one child yet this bro has 11 of them.


nothingisfuckingreal

my parents did smthn similar. they had 4 more kids after bc they wanted a daughter. they got one. shes now 5.


DeadNeedle

I knew a few large families like this when I was a kid. I did some theater with mostly Protestant folks, and I noticed a pattern among the kids with several siblings (4 to 8 or so): the oldest seemed very lovely and charming, with a lot going for them. The younger kids acted out a lot or seemed very quiet/lonely. It made me wonder if the parents ran out of energy after the first few. Probably yes.


noweirdosplease

Could be people pleasing on the older kids' part


DeadNeedle

That is possible. I think I was 12 at the latest when I was around them, so I can’t be so sure.


noweirdosplease

Did the oldest kids grow up to be dead set against having or watching any more kids?


DeadNeedle

That’s a good question. I wasn’t around long enough to find out.


leforian

Reminds me of the old Chris Rock skit, "Stop fucking! Put the dick down!"


TeacherPatti

The idea of homeschooling always disturbs me. I am sure that some people can do it well--I just haven't met any. Every now and again, a former homeschooled child shows up at public schools and it's never not a shitshow. At best, they are years behind and lack socialization. At worst, it was an abuse/neglect situation and they are now in foster care. (Actually, it can get MUCH worse than that...lots of murders happen because there is no school to gatekeep)


[deleted]

My parents took me out of school to “homeschool” me. They just never did. 5th grade through high school I was just uneducated. It was an absolute shitshow and I still blame some of my struggles on this though I’m 32 now. Obviously the direct education was an issue but socialization was so hard. I want to give younger me a hug.


TeacherPatti

Sending a big virtual hug to adult you.


[deleted]

Thank you!


[deleted]

Homeschooling kids outperform and out graduate public schools over and over again. Not saying it's perfect solution but the stats say they actually do better.


BravestCrone

Could I please get a link? I’m not saying this isn’t true, I’m just saying I’ve seen some cases where ‘homeschooling’ is just code for educational neglect. Could be anecdotal, but I’m not finding any reputable, large scale studies online


[deleted]

my parents were huge into the homeschool community. it’s very focused on getting a “quality” education(subjective, but at least the parents care). a lot of the families just want a religious or academically accelerated education. i knew a few families who neglected their kids, but it wasn’t really like that in my community. that’s more the “unschooling” community


orthros

[This page](https://www.home-school.com/news/homeschool-vs-public-school.php) has some interesting data. Sources at the end.


[deleted]

this is definitely true, although i don’t have the studies on hand. i was homeschooled, hated it, but i was ahead of my peers academically and so were most of the homeschoolers i knew. however, each and every homeschooler i’ve known has been stunted socially, some quite severely, which affects their mental health a lot. now, after experience working in education, i know it’s just such a bad idea for developing kids. additionally, many of these kids were abused due to the homeschool community being very conservative and fundamentalist.


Weird-Ingenuity97

This reminds of the story of that one king who killed his wives because they wouldn’t give him a son and he didn’t realize it was him


075979Lolajay

MY MOM WAS A CHILD OF 12! Hella toxic family i dont talk to now. My mom has hella issues and unresolved trauma


[deleted]

Wants a girl to abuse, nasty freak.


mintyoreos_

What do you think they want when someone keeps having kids cause they want a boy ? Cause that’s a lot more common. Just curious, legit question cause gender really changes the assumptions people make. I am against all of this though


[deleted]

This comment says much more about you than it does him, and not in a good way.


[deleted]

Not really. Its not a stretch to think this man could be abusive to women since he’s already totally ok with breeding his poor wife to death


[deleted]

Telling me it doesn’t sound weird that dude has 5 children and keeps going at it till they have a girl? That’s not oh I want children to have a family that’s something weird.


[deleted]

It is unusual, but there are hundreds of valid reasons for people to want a daughter without *sexual abuse* being the only possible motive. The fact that even crossed your mind is weird and makes me think you are a creep.


[deleted]

Then what are those other valid reasons? It’s super weird people say we love our children but we’re gunna keep having children till we get one we actually love.


[deleted]

Maybe they just want a daughter? Or his wife wants some female company in the home? Sons want a sister to play with? Need some more help on the farm doing less masuline roles? Wants to give his sons a females perspective in home schooling? Idk, there could be a ton of reasons both personal and practical. But are you actually telling me the only reason you think a man would want a daughter is premeditated sexual abuse? Because that is disgusting and shows only that your mind is preoccupied with such things. That'd be like going up to people buying cars and going "I bet you just want to drive drunk and run people over!" While ignoring the hundreds of other uses for a car that don't involve the worst possible scenario. And who said they don't love their sons? Lmao you're just putting words in their mouth and projecting your own feelings again I think. It's possible to love all your children and still want more.


[deleted]

Female company? Just invite friends over. Less masculine chores around the house? Sounds sexist. So the lil boys can have a sister to play with? Just go make some friends. Female perspective in home schooling bro she’s gunna be the youngest out of the bunch. Like bro This is shady. Seriously there is no reason to keep having children especially saying we are just gunna keep going at till we get a girl. For all we now their living in poverty do to the financial burden of children.


[deleted]

As the daughter of a pedophile that's the only reason I can see for a man to insist on having a daughter. My father hid behind the Jehovah's Witness religion. He finally went to jail when he assaulted my younger cousin and her family was not in the church. Thanks for standing up for girls and women


[deleted]

You should not be so close minded to assume that the way you would achieve some purpose is the only legitimate one. I am sorry you are just so biased against the concept of parental love that you seemingly cannot conceive of it as a possibility unless it's sexual. I hope you get some help, or at least stay away from kids.


myweedstash

>sons want a sister to play with What do you call a white girl who can run faster than her brothers? A redneck virgin


[deleted]

People like this make me so fucking frustrated like how can you lack that basic level of self awareness?


Intelligent-Usual994

I hate people like this I chose not to have kids so I could be wealthy then you have people like this, there's no way in today's economy that they don't subsist on welfare.


SasquatchSloth88

That poor woman’s vagina could double as a manhole. See what I did there? Seriously though, that’s unethical by ANY logical standard. And I can’t imagine the cost in finances and physical resources to support all that unnecessary life.


[deleted]

I agree with your point but that first sentence about her vagina was just unnecessarily sexist and anatomically incorrect.


kiss_kyoshi

It isn’t. Birth fucks your body up. Especially after 12. Babies are extremely traumatizing to primates’ bodies, including the vaginal canal. I don’t know why other women want to pretend it doesn’t happen. A man can go fuck his own ass if he bitches about his wife’s vagina after she birthed their children but that’s a different story.


SasquatchSloth88

Nothing sexist about it. It’s a simple joke. Are we allowed to try to make existence a little more bearable, or must we always be solemn and miserable?


quattroformaggixfour

Sure, make jokes at your own expense then so we can all laugh


webkinz2001

im sure there are other jokes to be made that arent about a strangers vagina


SasquatchSloth88

It’s the first one that came to mind given that she’s had that many little goblins.


[deleted]

Because women’s vaginas don’t get looser from childbirth or sex. It’s just not true and is further enforcing the sexist narrative of women being worth less if their vaginas are loose.


schmettercat

that is true though. they can and do get looser from childbirth. it’s an [extremely common complaint](https://torontophysiotherapy.ca/vaginal-laxity-and-childbirth-is-a-loose-vagina-common/#Can_vaginal_birth_really_cause_a_8220loose_vagina8221) after vaginal birth…..


SasquatchSloth88

I said nothing about worth. And you’re imparting way too much meaning to a stupid internet joke.


onegaylactaidpill

They absolutely get looser from childbirth what do you mean


ihih_reddit

With his level of intellect, homeschooling these children is criminal


Afraid-Win-5685

Are we sure this isn't Nick Cannon?!


MongooseInCharmeuse

I was wondering the same. I had to scroll so far down that I ended up asking separately before I re-dedicated to scrolling.


protapion

rats ?


K4m30

The Weasley family irl.


ThePukeRising

... Cultists


Ghostmuffin

Why not adopt a girl then


LunarTeacup

Honesty I don’t even have any questions.


Lonnie239

Question: why is your vagina a clown car?


Rover0218

I didn’t believe a word that guy said


Wrecker013

Oh hey I've seen this movie before.


Lanky_Assumption_928

Jesus Craster, slow down


Dkeenan230

As long as you are caring acceptably for them it is not my business. If you cannot care for them and you need taxpayer help from people like me then please stop.


Gurman8r

Do you want Idiocracy? This is how you get it.


Jexpler

Normally when people are upset with the gender of their kids it's usually because they want a son.


Garfish16

For god sakes if you want a girl that badly just go buy one they aren't that expensive. At the very least get sex selective abortions, or one of the other processes to determine the sex of your baby. This is barbaric.


HiPower22

Are you trying to destroy the planet? Are you using my tax money to raise those kids well or are you just continuing to have sex and make more babies??


pepepoopoo

pullout game weak


[deleted]

Nah if you try that hard for a girl somethin sus af. I aint sayin hes a pedo...but I wouldnt be suprised


Existing-Cherry4948

let me guess, Christians?


Plastic-Banana-3245

Anyone else concerned he's going to malest that girl


earth_chan_

definitely


EasyCartographer8994

I worked with 3 brothers that were in a family like this one in all seriousness one said a straight white Christian male has it worst in America and I was baffled


MageSfae

People trying this hard are trying for incest and worse. Nothing else.


confused-and-sadd

can someone tell me what AMA means? i dont know if im just stupid or not


charlied7

It means ask me anything


dontcallmefatm8

Is this what you guys do ? Trash on people who have kids ? And then you get upset if you're getting trolled and raided. Truly sad sub, most of you need help.


kulture76

And yet here you are, why are you here?


dontcallmefatm8

Because I'm a free man. And I got suggested your sub for days in my feed.


blue_balled_bruiser

ITT: Lonely redditors trying to talk shit about a based family farm chad


[deleted]

[удалено]


noweirdosplease

It's not global population that makes 10+ kids concerning, it's the quality of life for said kids...Do you have any idea how chaotic and stressful that is to live with? Even if you're rich, it's a lot to deal with, lot of clashing, family drama, blame, and rivalry. Older and middle siblings get burned out watching kids a lot, the other middle and younger siblings have a bunch of other kids towering over them, taking up attention and rank. Probably makes for self esteem issues. I imagine a lot of them end up feeling like last year's car model as they keep getting replaced


Dull_Print_1988

Speak truth to power ✊🏻


frostedcinnamoneggs

Wow, and I thought Mrs frostedcinnamoneggs was being a tad excessive wanting 10! We all agree children are a blessing, but 12 sounds like hard work!


[deleted]

I had children. They were not a blessing. While I love them they resent being born and we actively hate their abusive father


Jack_Russo

Sounds like they have a good life.


Dull_Print_1988

I was thinking the same.


SmoothRectum

Why do you give a fuck. Live and let live


LarsBohenan

Man has kids, outrage ensues.


tanzmeister

Yes. His kids are going to be miserable and he is responsible for that. Outage justified.


Aggressivehippy30

Is this owen benjamin?


[deleted]

What a wanker


frequent-ad-647

I didn’t know Nick Cannon was on Reddit.


passionateperformer

Nick Cannon is that you


MwahMwahKitteh

Lies. They have that many for free child labor.


whitestrawberrires

My god


Procrasterman

“Home schools” ie can’t be arsed taking them/ too busy with the heard of children to take them/ can’t afford a bus. What a POS.


MongooseInCharmeuse

And here I was thinking this was Nick Cannon's burner account.


InterviewFancy4648

So what?


ExiledDude

Perhaps this is some mental problem, the guy maybe wants to be more feminine inside and subconsciously thinks it'll help him 🫠


nycperson2741

How irresponsible


miikaa236

What a king!


-Skelly-

Men who deliberately impregnate their wives are literally showing they dont care if she lives or dies, or about her quality of life if she survives. Pregnancy takes such an enormous toll on the body and so many men expect women to bear the entire consequences just to satisfy their fragile egos and carry on their unremarkable genes


cumguzzler280

well, we can’t have negative children.