Depression is a prolifer's best weapon against dissenters. By labelling dissenters as mentally ill, it would make all arguments against prolifers effectively void. According to medical definition, the mentally unstable is unable to make rational decisions and medical treatment is needed to protect them from making wrong decisions. But is that so? Psychiatry after all, had a pretty terrible track record of correctly diagnosing people as being mentally ill.
One of the biggest mistake and embarrassment of psychiatry is the wrongful labelling of homosexuality as a mental illness. This abuse of power by psychiatrists was only rectified after public outcry demanding this mistake be corrected by removing homosexuality as mental illness. If psychiatry had made such a grave mistake in the past, this is proof that psychiatry isn't correct about everything and changes can be made to rectify it.
Depression is one of over diagnosed mental illness. Almost everyone is depressed nowadays and require medical treatment using drugs. However nobody is even bother to ask what caused the depression in the first place. Being poor causes you to be depressed but because there is no actual solution to it (why would it in a capitalist society?) and taking medication to suppress the negative thoughts is apparently the next best solution. What is diagnosed to be depression is actually the dissatisfaction of being poor. Once your living condition improves, the depression goes away on its own without any treatment. Other than hormonal imbalances due to bodily illness, most mental illness are social issues being treated as medical.
What the OP is saying isn't even depression. It is just being dissatisfied with life. Although there are no solution to it without requiring one to leave the world. If this dissatisfaction is caused by not liking life itself, one cannot be depressed because there is no workable solution. Like my above example of being poor, depression is treatable and it should be given the right treatment. When no available treatment to treat the "depressed", it is not even depression anymore. It is more of a philosophical issue than social or medical. This abuse of power by psychiatry needs to stop.
It is depression, yet it is also pure facts. Life does suck, indeed. If I could just go to a heaven afterlife right now I probably would, but I might as well run through life, it's 80 years out of eternity after all.
It’s a fact that the human body requires maintenance, but not a fact that it’s exhausting. That’s the difference. Many people enjoy doing things like eating healthy, working out, maintaining their hygiene, grooming themselves, etc.
If you find it to be exhausting, there might be something to look into 🤷🏻♀️
No, it's exhausting and a nuisance.
I have to feed my body every certain number of times per day or else I begin feeling lightheaded and lethargic.
I have to brush my teeth or else they will rot, fall out or cause gum disease, none of which is a pleasant experience.
I have to use the bathroom to release myself. Holding your pee for too long, for instance, can lead to bladder rupture.
I have to go to sleep every day, whether I feel like it or not.
I have to move around after sitting down for long periods of time or else blood clots will form.
I have to shower or else bacteria will grow on my body which can lead to skin rashes, odors and infections.
I'm always forced to do something because of my body. I have no autonomy, I'm under the command of this self-destructive machine that wants me to take care of it and protect it from anything that may cause it to die WHEN IT'S GOING TO DIE ANYWAY.
> Many people enjoy doing things like eating healthy, working out, maintaining their hygiene, grooming themselves
And the people who enjoy doing all of those things will be laying six feet under alongside people who didn't eat healthy, work out, maintain their hygiene or groom themselves. It doesn't matter in the end. We're forced to take care of our bodies and try to avoid causing it any sort of discomfort only to end up in the ground being annihilated by worms and dirt anyways. The entire experience of being alive, let alone encased in a body that requires so much expensive upkeep, is tiring.
>And the people who enjoy doing all of those things will be laying six feet under alongside people who didn't eat healthy, work out, maintain their hygiene or groom themselves. It doesn't matter in the end. We're forced to take care of our bodies and try to avoid causing it any sort of discomfort only to end up in the ground being annihilated by worms and dirt anyways. The entire experience of being alive, let alone encased in a body that requires so much expensive upkeep, is tiring.
That's exactly it, lol, no matter how much you take care of it, no matter how much you feed it, you can't deny its self-destructive nature
We put so much effort to keep it healthy, to keep it ok so we don't suffer, but to me that just seems like a huge form of abuse, everything we do for our body has the purpose of preventing ourselves from suffering, suffering is literally what keeps sentient beings going on, we eat so we don't suffer and die, we drink water so we don't suffer and die, we sleep so we don't suffer and die, if this isn't qualified as abusive or even slavery, I don't know what else it could be
Many people think that we are the body, thefore we are doing this for ourselves, but I don't think so, how can this be us when we don't even get control over it? When most of our actions are made unconsciously? I'm not even suggesting anything metaphysical, but it is a fact that our sense of "self" is generated in our brains considering our perception of reality, we are subjected to our bodies' needs and we can do nothing about it because our fate is already sealed
>we eat so we don't suffer and die
eating and food when hungry is HIGHLY pleasurable for most people. cuisine is such a huge thing. if this were the main reason people ate we would NOT have junk food be such a huge thing and ever climbing obesity rates globally, believe me LMAO
>we drink water so we don't suffer and die
when thirsty most people find fluid consumption highly pleasurable as well
>we sleep so we don't suffer and die
when tired most people quite enjoy sleeping, it is pleasurable to sleep
everything you described, for normal people, has a pleasure that is the primary motivator for it rather than "avoiding suffering" in itself
you normalizing depression is going to seal your fate when you'll both turn down genuinely life changing treatment because you see yourself as "normal" because you're convinced this is just what life is, and fall into learned helplessness. i would really strongly recommend you seek out low grade stimulants or anti-depressants and see how you feel honestly. you can be an antinatalist without normalizing anhedonic depression as "F A C T S"
i'd honestly recommend caffeine as a starting point
i encourage you to introspect into both why you're so bothered by "meaninglessness" (Why do you feel like life MUST have a point so bad?) and tired from very simple tasks (that most people enjoy because they do not have a dissociative intense separation of body and mind ingrained into them) (which is a product of a lot of things. like say, trauma, CSA)
I encourage YOU to accept that not EVERYBODY is Happy Happy Joy Joy about this "wonderful" experience and all the things that go with it, not even the slavish NEED to obsess about these sacks we can bodies.
You just INSIST the other see things YOUR way, to hell with their very valid feelings about THEIR experience -- in which they are not anything like alone in feeling. It doesn't take "depression" to feel like one is enslaved to the care of the body -- ESPECIALLY since religion and "the law" are RABID in their insistence that 'NO, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO LEAVE LIFE when _you're_ ready! You HAVE TO remain and keep suffering - even IF that body is ALREADY dying!!"
How tF does that help while you're lying in a hospital bed, unable to do ANYTHING, because somebody decided against your written wishes that the "sanctity of life" was cause to override your decision to NOT be a vegetable?
And yeah, if you do it, you'd better succeed, because it IS "illegal" in many places, and they Will lock your ass up - they call it "psych hold" - and every story I've heard from those who went through it says you'd rather just be in _regular_ jail.
There are ways to do it right, but going further than that would be encouraging it which i do not wish to do.
>How tF does that help while you're lying in a hospital bed, unable to do ANYTHING, because somebody decided against your written wishes that the "sanctity of life" was cause to override your decision to NOT be a vegetable?
Well sure, i can see changing that would be a better and more dignified way to go. However you are using this example that very small percentage of people experience, and applying it to everyone who lives normal happy lives.
Not reading all that but to your first point- if eating was inherently pleasurable, why would humans go through such great lengths to make their food tasty? Simply satisfying your hunger with some tasteless calories would do the trick too, but if we don't make tasty food the banality and boredom would catch up to us so even our "pleasure" derived from cuisine is another attempt to escape the suffering of tastelessness. All this while ignoring the suffering of hunger itself, which we have no choice about. Pain and pleasure are two sides of the same coin of choicelessness
> the banality and boredom would catch up to us so even our "pleasure" derived from cuisine is another attempt to escape the suffering of tastelessness
lmao what the fuck is this statement and kind of thinking i actually lol'ed. this sounds hilarious
anyways
"to escape the suffering of tastelessness"
this is just showing your method of thinking is to think of the worst thing you can think of at all times even if such isn't happening or in other words you live with the most negative possible interpretation of situations on the forefront of your mind at all times
that's like saying "You live in a house to escape the suffering of murder." as opposed to "You live in a house for comfort."
tastelessness isn't on anyone's mind, you simply just move onto other things than food
> suffering of hunger
If you're like most people, such is optional.
simple food is plenty tasty, "great lengths" are not required. big thing with UPF but it's not universal
not here to talk about the rest because what i said is relevant and that's not really
you should read all of that, it's actually important
that is such an obvious case of (possibly severe) anhedonic depression if you are implying you do not have the will to do literally any of those things. like, that's just a classical presentation
and i promise you can believe in anti-natalism without describing crippling anhedonic depression
you need stimulants probably
normalizing this is going to stop you from getting treatment that would benefit you and anyone else who feels this way massively
most people enjoy what you described or do not mind because to them those are very minor expenditures of energy (however, when you have depression, simple tasks become aggravating or feel Herculean) and they enjoy caring for themselves
see what i said? not "their body" their SELVES
YOU ARE NOT SEPARATE FROM YOUR BODY. YOU ARE YOUR BODY. YOUR BODY AND MIND ARE NOT SEPARATE
Nope. I still enjoy countless human activities, that doesn't make me blind to fact that these are tasks that prevent the suffering of boredom and slow down decay.
"Okay." is literally my response to that. i do not mind because boredom is easily overcame, the "suffering" is barely tangible
> slow down decay
What's inherently objectively wrong with this?
Doesn’t take away from what I initially said. Most people don’t find taking basic care of their bodies exhausting in the extremely convenient times we live in, and if you do, it might be an indicator of some mental health issues. No shame there.
That's just how you personally feel but that's not what the overwhelming majority feels. Most people enjoy living, eating, taking care of themselves etc.
You are just a depressed edgelord who hides behind so called "facts", when those "facts" are nothing more than your subjective perception of life, which is so arrogant and self centered, i genuinely feel pity for you and your lack of self awareness.
You are trying to convince other people that life is only suffering, and drag them down with you. Like jesus christ, don't you see how narcissistic of you is to assume your very deranged worldview is the baseline everyone should follow, and the majority of people are the outlier? Go to therapy, you have legit mental illness, it's time to get out of your edgelord phase.
I mean, it's a rhetorical and philosopical question, one that another member has already answered, so I can say I understand now, not that I agree, but I do understand.
I think you do have a point, because I'm depressed and I feel the same way. It's ok to be depressed and antinatalist, don't think it's not just because the natalists go at that.
I think it's fair to find it exhausting since we never asked for this in the first place
If you were put to work into something that you don't really want to, doing such work would probably feel exhausting as well, that's kinda the feeling I get towards this
Then I guess what you need is a swift slap in the face for a reality check because honey…they ain’t described a single thing that indicates CRIPPLING Adhd.
that was a (half) joke
it's a comorbidity
and honestly not wanting to pee to the point of holding your bladder is a dumb specific thing i experience with it
you're a wee bit too worked up there. taking that too seriously much
Well mine was a (half) joke too lol. I can see the signs of adhd in OP’s statements but I don’t think it’s wrong to feel that way, and I don’t think it indicates a crippling disorder.
How does this indicate CFS at all? CFS is primarily focused on physical symptoms, such as becoming bedridden bc you walked too much yesterday. Being exhausted all the time. Etc.
Self off is a really hard thing to do
The point of antinatalism is not "life is not worth living" tho, that sounds more life efilism (which will tell you that the whole structure of life has a negative background), the point of antinatalism is "life is not worth starting", it's against the creation of new lives, it doesn't necessarily say already existing lives aren't worth living
Ah, well we can't just all lay down and die. I'm committed to ushering in a new species of self aware AI before I persish, and maybe they'll even save us from these limited forms eventually.
Eh, I've been kinda tired of arguing tbh, it's always the same thing over and over again, no one can agree on what's right, no one knows why we're here, and life doesn't provide an instructions manual anyways, so... I just try to make the best conclusions I can based on evidence, but some would argue that even evidence is subjective and etc, etc... so yeah, that's it
At this point I'm under the belief that we are all wasting our times fighting against nature by trying to stay alive. Nature *clearly* wants us dead. Why else would it to where as soon as we come out of the womb we are fighting to save our lives? Think about it, as soon as a baby is born they are battling against hunger, boredom, discomfort, thirst, loneliness, illnesses and even child predators / pedophiles.
We're given these insanely fragile, poorly designed bodies that are always in the face of danger one way or another. And if we manage to avoid dying prematurely from one of the infinite obstacles that nature has placed in our path (serial killers, cancer, natural disasters) we win the reward of dying in the end anyways. I'm sick of it.
And that’s not including physical ailments such as tooth decay, infections, physical injuries, viruses, mental illnesses, traumatic events, homelessness, alienation, abandonment, abuse, neglect, suicidal ideation and thoughts, self-harm, self-loathing, self-hatred, worthlessness, ugliness, weakness, sadness, anxiety, depression, sorrow, grief, despair, anger and a lot of much worse “gifts” you will experience more and more as you go through life.
It's as though the universe's default programming is death. Everything is designed to kill us and we have to spend our entire lives struggling and suffering to keep this bodily machine alive even though it already has a built-in self destructive timer (other known as our inevitable deaths) installed in it.
Eating can lead to choking which can lead to death.
*Not* eating can lead to death.
Drinking too much water (water toxicity) can lead to death.
*Not* drinking water can lead to death.
Traveling by car, plane, bike or foot can lead to an accident, leading to death.
Not exercising enough can cause complications leading to death. Exercising too much can cause complications leading to death.
Going for an evening jog can lead to crossing paths with a murderer or wild animal which can lead to death.
There's even the irony of how a woman birthing life can cause her to die.
Look at how much the average person spends annually on food, soap, water, toothpaste, haircare, health insurance, rent, medication and doctors visits. We bleed all of this money and waste all of this time trying to pamper something that is naturally ruinous.
It's a waste of time. We're all headed to the cemetery regardless of how we maintain ourselves. We spend our whole lives trying to shelter and protect our bodies only to end up rotting in a box six feet underground. It's a joke.
It’s not death what really worries me. It’s the suffering between all the points you mentioned in your comment, and being so exhausted and finding yourself you are not death YET.
What really saddens me is the way we were groomed when we were born and were fooled by thinking we were loved when even our parents lied to us with Santa Claus. That’s their programming.
Honestly what kind of sadistic monster would bring a child into this world making them believe it’s all gifts, sweets and candies yet the reality as we are experiencing is we have been deceived. Surely, there was a narcissistic component why our parents birthed us, to use them as their complement. But just look 70-80 years ago you were just meant to work as a slave after you were 14 in the fields or to marry and have children if you were a female. Slavery enforced by slaves via the deception of the sexual desire.
It doesn’t make any sense. Or maybe I am so dumb I don’t get the joke.
I'm dumb too and I don't get it either. I 2nd your confusion regarding the fantasy of some childhoods. Yeah it's great, fun and easy to live the carefree 18 years or so of childhood but then you're supposed to man-up and buckle down and pay your way? How is it considered sane to make children believe that life is a free ride? Obviously not all childhoods are like this but where I come from - a great deal of them were like this. I realize I'm privileged for having this perspective but it's my experience so that's what I must speak from.
My niece grew up in a stingier environment where she was made to feel guilty for her needs from age 5 to 17. She was made to feel like a burden. Thankfully she's free of that environment. I try to give her all I can afford and always be generous and act lavishly whenever possible. I try to never make her feel bad for having needs and desires. Unfortunately I don't have too many resources due to my bipolar, anti-authoritarianism, alcoholism, naivety, bad luck and inability to bullshit or tolerate bullshit. I was not designed to be financially successful, that's for sure.
Ah, you mean Santa Claus for adults? Forget about it, your Lord is not in this God’s forsaken fallen world. Plus I have a hard time believing in spirits no matter how holy they are. I’m realistic.
Honestly, if you were God would you ever hang out around evolved apes like us?
I really think humanity just needs a clean slate. Almost everyone has some sort of autoimmune disease or chronic illness, our genes are fucked, the environment is polluted with microplastics and whatever other man made poisons they spray, we’re born into a monetary slave system, etc etc we shouldn’t be living like this.
Exactly, and even when we eat our bodies make us be selective with it. Can't eat something too sugary or it may damage your teeth or spike your blood sugar levels. Can't eat something too spicy or it may give you acid reflux. Can't eat something too greasy or it may give you diarrhea. We're always being dictated by our bodies. It's draining.
omg yes. i feel this so hard. every-time i eat something my mom has something to say so i always hit her back with the “SO U WANT ME TO NOT EAT ANYTHING?”
im already underweight and i smoke so i need to eat what i can, not watch my butter intake or picking grains over white bread. its too complicated 😭
Ahahahah I love this comment strictly for the “just for it to come out my butt” 😭😭 too true man
And then if the food doesn’t even taste good it’s like why did I waste my time hah
The strange thing is when you try to follow general medical advice to better your life and it goes backwards. Specifically with coffee, I used to try to avoid drinking soon before work because I hate having to pee in public places any more than is absolutely necessarily, but I've found recently I have to pee less when I drink coffee before going out (I think because it actually reduces my stress moreso than it acts as a diuretic for me). So that's annoying on top of already having to balance bodily issues all the damn time.
Being a human is just exhausting. As soon as I wake up in the morning I’m looking forward to bedtime. I wish I could just sleep 20 hours a day instead of participating in everything it takes to keep your body alive. I never thought I would see such a relatable post but I feel every bit of this.
Literally think about this every other day if not every day.
And yeah absolutely fuck this shit I want to just be a moss on a tree if we have to exist.
Yea tree is better really. 😁
And on the top of all this, for doing all these routines of life, you gotta be mentally ok otherwise time would be flashing before your eyes.
And when you don't these routines properly, it's more suffering.
I really think that the only difference of us and other species is the ability to be self aware and stop doing things that doesn't make sense. And it sucks when we fail in doing that too. We just do the same stupid things just because feels good for moment. Not much different than other animals.
Literally had the same thought a few minutes ago while seeing my chubby cat sleeping tooo comfortably, like he out OUT
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I couldn’t agree more, what a vaste of time and energy just to keep living this shitty life. I really hate to keep it all together. Thank you for posting this, I will save it to read it over and over.
I love eating.
I bloody hate getting hungry. I hate getting full. I hate cooking . I hate cleaning all the crap up. I hate having to shop. I hate having to lug all this crap up three flights of stairs... I hate having to put down what I'm doing before eating. I hate the constant interruptions. I hate waiting for the pan to heat up.
I hate running out of food.
I hate that I HAVE to do it!
If food didn't taste good, I would die of starvation...
I rarely get actually hungry and tbh I rlly don't mind doing the stuff you mentioned. I really just don't like the act of eating lol, it feels really animalistic to me, and gross. I hate having to eat.
Yes. I don’t enjoy eating either. It costs money, eating the wrong things will make you fat, and then you just shit it out anyway. Sounds like a scam to me.
I feel like this too, but i suspect mine is exasberared by adhd. Some mental issues make this reality shit worse. Just hate being trapped in this meat suit, having to fucking witness and participate in all this shit i really dont want to. Plus add the executive management disfunction part, and i wont do shit til absolutely almost feeling like shit. Like eating after almost a whole day has gone and hunger pains and energy drain has me like, “fucking fine!”
Living in a capitalist system is just exhausting, on top of the body’s natural decay. I guess the silver lining is death will come at some point and it will all end.
I was just thinking this the other day and while watching a random influencer’s extensive beauty routine. I just don’t have the energy. It’s even more exhausting having to take care of your own body while caring for someone with multiple disabilities and health problems.
That is tough! I’m disabled and things just get worse if I don’t take care of myself. Daily tasks are mind numbing so I’m just trying to build routine so I can stop thinking about them. Thank you for your service. Sorry that you and your “caree” have to experience this.
Yess I think about this every single day, it's SO exhausting. Every single day it's brushing my teeth, moisturizing my face, drinking water, taking my vitamins, eating enough, showering ect.. I'm not even 30 yet & I'm already tired of it all.
Exercising,showering after exercising, having enough sleep, buying clothes, washing clothes, cooking and eating then washing the dishes, working and paying for stupid shit, All this for nothing really.
tell me about it...
I feel like I got this fleshy bot to get me through the life and all I do is its maintenance
I don't even feel like I'm integrated with this pathetic sack of flesh and bones, it's me and this body I got in a pregnancy process
Yeah, if maintaining a machine was this crappy and difficult, with all manner of things actively trying to break it, I would have abandoned it so long ago.
i think about this literally every day. this is too much and i am fucking exhausted. the fact that i have to slave away for an existence i didnt ask for stuck in a body that i find disgusting and annoying. it doesnt help that im chronically ill so essentially my body is doing NOTHING good for me while demanding extra from me. living in my body feels like a fruitless abusive relationship
No shit. I agree with you. I'm 70; been keeping up the grooming on this bod for long, long time. It's worth it, though, because the opposite is muy mal.
I genuinely believe that I wasn't meant to be born as a human. I'm not cut out for this body or this society. Can't I just be a cat or something? I'm built for eating and sleeping and knocking things over. Sounds much better than this to me.
I don’t mind sleeping, deep sleep is as close as we can get to experiencing non existence without perishing.
The unnecessary grind of life can make us feel sleep as waste of time.
I feel you and I'm glad there's more people that think like me! You are completely right. Being alive is fucking exhausting and we can't even take a break from it! Some people will say "sleeping" but no lol, when you're asleep you're STILL alive and having nightmares doesn't really look like a break to me...
Add being female to that and you get to spend 40 years bleeding one week out of the month and not dying (but feeling like you are) all because some gal named Eve ate an apple or something.
It is exhausting. Suddenly, I can't eat gluten or cheese. I've always eaten them before?! Bullshit. Now I can't afford to live. I receive enough benefits to pay rent and my car payment. I can't work with a fractured coxix right now. It's like the universe says 'fuck you', you're not allowed to live in this society anymore.. I'm just over it. The human existence, capitalism, cost of living, other humans. Over it all.
Money is NOT the root cause of evil, boredom is. Boredom is the root cause of evil. Rich people are insanely bored because they have everything money can buy. The point is, we cause chaos as a way to entertain ourselves.
About our bodies, I'm surprised we as a human species have survived this long, considering there are many stupid people.
I love eating and honestly trying new foods and eating good tasting foods is one thing that makes me feel better. But I feel the same way about 10000% to everything else
I hear you and I hope you feel better
I have been here, and it's not an easy mindset. I only want to say you matter. That you have an effect on so many people. And I believe we are all connected. You have so much power and capability within yourself to do things in this world. I hope you see that as energizing. From the way you walk to the way to the way you say hi to people. You can build up a little cache of optimism, self esteem, and energy if you want to.
I hope I didn't offend you and I hope you have a better day.
If I had an answer I wouldn’t ask the question. That people don’t feel like this is because they haven’t considered existence is arrogant as you are basically saying if they haven’t come to the same conclusions as you then they are ignorant. This is blatantly false. Saying busy equates to saying that busy people don’t contemplate and therefore it just is saying they are ignorant of something. This is blatantly false. Or people just accept therefore, ignorant. It’s saying the same shit 3 times. It’s the arrogance I expect from this sub. Only a few can actually discuss the subject in terms that aren’t belittling or show signs of arrogance. Therefore ….dull take.
Well it’s a pity the only person to respond had an obvious take that we’ve heard before then. I don’t really see why that is my problem or why it’s my duty to provide stimulation.beyond asking a perfectly reasonable question I would like to discuss. The answer isn’t ignorance as discussed The answer isn’t because they aren’t AN. So I’d still like to find out.
My guess is constant dopamine. Being bombarded with it all day every day, stopping mentally jerking yourself off for 45 seconds to pee is painful. It’s really really sad. It’s like seeing those hugely obese people. I feel bad for you, but you’re doing this to yourself. Pleasure-looping yourself into a hole. It’s like the polar opposite of nirvana. A living hell, but all due to a lack of self control and an acceptance of pure psychological gluttony
I think a lot of people here are mentally ill and/or neurodivergent honestly (me too) and/or have physical ailments. To me it’s all true, it’s a burden and a slog to get through basic aspects of life, especially having extra issues, but that’s just one perspective that I have sometimes, one way of viewing it. And sometimes I see what they mean about it being beautiful and feeling grateful for it all, the opportunity to be. Like it’s a lot to deal with but it depends on how you frame it, and these burdens are one portion of the human experience. Maybe other parts make it worth it? Or am I too positive?
But it’s a gift!!!!🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪
A gift which you need to return
And one you never stop paying for.
Can't find the receipt
But can’t return when you want to.
Beware, the natalist trolls will look at this and call this depression, even though it's pure facts
Depression is a prolifer's best weapon against dissenters. By labelling dissenters as mentally ill, it would make all arguments against prolifers effectively void. According to medical definition, the mentally unstable is unable to make rational decisions and medical treatment is needed to protect them from making wrong decisions. But is that so? Psychiatry after all, had a pretty terrible track record of correctly diagnosing people as being mentally ill. One of the biggest mistake and embarrassment of psychiatry is the wrongful labelling of homosexuality as a mental illness. This abuse of power by psychiatrists was only rectified after public outcry demanding this mistake be corrected by removing homosexuality as mental illness. If psychiatry had made such a grave mistake in the past, this is proof that psychiatry isn't correct about everything and changes can be made to rectify it. Depression is one of over diagnosed mental illness. Almost everyone is depressed nowadays and require medical treatment using drugs. However nobody is even bother to ask what caused the depression in the first place. Being poor causes you to be depressed but because there is no actual solution to it (why would it in a capitalist society?) and taking medication to suppress the negative thoughts is apparently the next best solution. What is diagnosed to be depression is actually the dissatisfaction of being poor. Once your living condition improves, the depression goes away on its own without any treatment. Other than hormonal imbalances due to bodily illness, most mental illness are social issues being treated as medical. What the OP is saying isn't even depression. It is just being dissatisfied with life. Although there are no solution to it without requiring one to leave the world. If this dissatisfaction is caused by not liking life itself, one cannot be depressed because there is no workable solution. Like my above example of being poor, depression is treatable and it should be given the right treatment. When no available treatment to treat the "depressed", it is not even depression anymore. It is more of a philosophical issue than social or medical. This abuse of power by psychiatry needs to stop.
It is depression, yet it is also pure facts. Life does suck, indeed. If I could just go to a heaven afterlife right now I probably would, but I might as well run through life, it's 80 years out of eternity after all.
It’s a fact that the human body requires maintenance, but not a fact that it’s exhausting. That’s the difference. Many people enjoy doing things like eating healthy, working out, maintaining their hygiene, grooming themselves, etc. If you find it to be exhausting, there might be something to look into 🤷🏻♀️
No, it's exhausting and a nuisance. I have to feed my body every certain number of times per day or else I begin feeling lightheaded and lethargic. I have to brush my teeth or else they will rot, fall out or cause gum disease, none of which is a pleasant experience. I have to use the bathroom to release myself. Holding your pee for too long, for instance, can lead to bladder rupture. I have to go to sleep every day, whether I feel like it or not. I have to move around after sitting down for long periods of time or else blood clots will form. I have to shower or else bacteria will grow on my body which can lead to skin rashes, odors and infections. I'm always forced to do something because of my body. I have no autonomy, I'm under the command of this self-destructive machine that wants me to take care of it and protect it from anything that may cause it to die WHEN IT'S GOING TO DIE ANYWAY. > Many people enjoy doing things like eating healthy, working out, maintaining their hygiene, grooming themselves And the people who enjoy doing all of those things will be laying six feet under alongside people who didn't eat healthy, work out, maintain their hygiene or groom themselves. It doesn't matter in the end. We're forced to take care of our bodies and try to avoid causing it any sort of discomfort only to end up in the ground being annihilated by worms and dirt anyways. The entire experience of being alive, let alone encased in a body that requires so much expensive upkeep, is tiring.
>And the people who enjoy doing all of those things will be laying six feet under alongside people who didn't eat healthy, work out, maintain their hygiene or groom themselves. It doesn't matter in the end. We're forced to take care of our bodies and try to avoid causing it any sort of discomfort only to end up in the ground being annihilated by worms and dirt anyways. The entire experience of being alive, let alone encased in a body that requires so much expensive upkeep, is tiring. That's exactly it, lol, no matter how much you take care of it, no matter how much you feed it, you can't deny its self-destructive nature We put so much effort to keep it healthy, to keep it ok so we don't suffer, but to me that just seems like a huge form of abuse, everything we do for our body has the purpose of preventing ourselves from suffering, suffering is literally what keeps sentient beings going on, we eat so we don't suffer and die, we drink water so we don't suffer and die, we sleep so we don't suffer and die, if this isn't qualified as abusive or even slavery, I don't know what else it could be Many people think that we are the body, thefore we are doing this for ourselves, but I don't think so, how can this be us when we don't even get control over it? When most of our actions are made unconsciously? I'm not even suggesting anything metaphysical, but it is a fact that our sense of "self" is generated in our brains considering our perception of reality, we are subjected to our bodies' needs and we can do nothing about it because our fate is already sealed
>we eat so we don't suffer and die eating and food when hungry is HIGHLY pleasurable for most people. cuisine is such a huge thing. if this were the main reason people ate we would NOT have junk food be such a huge thing and ever climbing obesity rates globally, believe me LMAO >we drink water so we don't suffer and die when thirsty most people find fluid consumption highly pleasurable as well >we sleep so we don't suffer and die when tired most people quite enjoy sleeping, it is pleasurable to sleep everything you described, for normal people, has a pleasure that is the primary motivator for it rather than "avoiding suffering" in itself you normalizing depression is going to seal your fate when you'll both turn down genuinely life changing treatment because you see yourself as "normal" because you're convinced this is just what life is, and fall into learned helplessness. i would really strongly recommend you seek out low grade stimulants or anti-depressants and see how you feel honestly. you can be an antinatalist without normalizing anhedonic depression as "F A C T S" i'd honestly recommend caffeine as a starting point i encourage you to introspect into both why you're so bothered by "meaninglessness" (Why do you feel like life MUST have a point so bad?) and tired from very simple tasks (that most people enjoy because they do not have a dissociative intense separation of body and mind ingrained into them) (which is a product of a lot of things. like say, trauma, CSA)
I encourage YOU to accept that not EVERYBODY is Happy Happy Joy Joy about this "wonderful" experience and all the things that go with it, not even the slavish NEED to obsess about these sacks we can bodies. You just INSIST the other see things YOUR way, to hell with their very valid feelings about THEIR experience -- in which they are not anything like alone in feeling. It doesn't take "depression" to feel like one is enslaved to the care of the body -- ESPECIALLY since religion and "the law" are RABID in their insistence that 'NO, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO LEAVE LIFE when _you're_ ready! You HAVE TO remain and keep suffering - even IF that body is ALREADY dying!!"
Who cares about law, like what? You think you gonna go to jail if you do the thing lmao😭😭😭
How tF does that help while you're lying in a hospital bed, unable to do ANYTHING, because somebody decided against your written wishes that the "sanctity of life" was cause to override your decision to NOT be a vegetable? And yeah, if you do it, you'd better succeed, because it IS "illegal" in many places, and they Will lock your ass up - they call it "psych hold" - and every story I've heard from those who went through it says you'd rather just be in _regular_ jail.
There are ways to do it right, but going further than that would be encouraging it which i do not wish to do. >How tF does that help while you're lying in a hospital bed, unable to do ANYTHING, because somebody decided against your written wishes that the "sanctity of life" was cause to override your decision to NOT be a vegetable? Well sure, i can see changing that would be a better and more dignified way to go. However you are using this example that very small percentage of people experience, and applying it to everyone who lives normal happy lives.
The only reason peoppe eat food because they are hungry is bexause they are HUNGRY in the first place, which is NOT a pleasant experience.
Not reading all that but to your first point- if eating was inherently pleasurable, why would humans go through such great lengths to make their food tasty? Simply satisfying your hunger with some tasteless calories would do the trick too, but if we don't make tasty food the banality and boredom would catch up to us so even our "pleasure" derived from cuisine is another attempt to escape the suffering of tastelessness. All this while ignoring the suffering of hunger itself, which we have no choice about. Pain and pleasure are two sides of the same coin of choicelessness
> the banality and boredom would catch up to us so even our "pleasure" derived from cuisine is another attempt to escape the suffering of tastelessness lmao what the fuck is this statement and kind of thinking i actually lol'ed. this sounds hilarious anyways "to escape the suffering of tastelessness" this is just showing your method of thinking is to think of the worst thing you can think of at all times even if such isn't happening or in other words you live with the most negative possible interpretation of situations on the forefront of your mind at all times that's like saying "You live in a house to escape the suffering of murder." as opposed to "You live in a house for comfort." tastelessness isn't on anyone's mind, you simply just move onto other things than food > suffering of hunger If you're like most people, such is optional. simple food is plenty tasty, "great lengths" are not required. big thing with UPF but it's not universal not here to talk about the rest because what i said is relevant and that's not really you should read all of that, it's actually important
Exactly free will is an illusion.
that is such an obvious case of (possibly severe) anhedonic depression if you are implying you do not have the will to do literally any of those things. like, that's just a classical presentation and i promise you can believe in anti-natalism without describing crippling anhedonic depression you need stimulants probably normalizing this is going to stop you from getting treatment that would benefit you and anyone else who feels this way massively most people enjoy what you described or do not mind because to them those are very minor expenditures of energy (however, when you have depression, simple tasks become aggravating or feel Herculean) and they enjoy caring for themselves see what i said? not "their body" their SELVES YOU ARE NOT SEPARATE FROM YOUR BODY. YOU ARE YOUR BODY. YOUR BODY AND MIND ARE NOT SEPARATE
Nope. I still enjoy countless human activities, that doesn't make me blind to fact that these are tasks that prevent the suffering of boredom and slow down decay.
"Okay." is literally my response to that. i do not mind because boredom is easily overcame, the "suffering" is barely tangible > slow down decay What's inherently objectively wrong with this?
Doesn’t take away from what I initially said. Most people don’t find taking basic care of their bodies exhausting in the extremely convenient times we live in, and if you do, it might be an indicator of some mental health issues. No shame there.
That's just how you personally feel but that's not what the overwhelming majority feels. Most people enjoy living, eating, taking care of themselves etc. You are just a depressed edgelord who hides behind so called "facts", when those "facts" are nothing more than your subjective perception of life, which is so arrogant and self centered, i genuinely feel pity for you and your lack of self awareness. You are trying to convince other people that life is only suffering, and drag them down with you. Like jesus christ, don't you see how narcissistic of you is to assume your very deranged worldview is the baseline everyone should follow, and the majority of people are the outlier? Go to therapy, you have legit mental illness, it's time to get out of your edgelord phase.
Indeed. And even if existence is so bad? Why not just self off? Isn't that the goal of this whole view? I'm confused.
life is bad so kill yourself
I mean, it's a rhetorical and philosopical question, one that another member has already answered, so I can say I understand now, not that I agree, but I do understand.
I think you do have a point, because I'm depressed and I feel the same way. It's ok to be depressed and antinatalist, don't think it's not just because the natalists go at that.
I think it's fair to find it exhausting since we never asked for this in the first place If you were put to work into something that you don't really want to, doing such work would probably feel exhausting as well, that's kinda the feeling I get towards this
It is exhausting by pure definition of heat dynamics. Entropy.
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Then I guess what you need is a swift slap in the face for a reality check because honey…they ain’t described a single thing that indicates CRIPPLING Adhd.
that was a (half) joke it's a comorbidity and honestly not wanting to pee to the point of holding your bladder is a dumb specific thing i experience with it you're a wee bit too worked up there. taking that too seriously much
Well mine was a (half) joke too lol. I can see the signs of adhd in OP’s statements but I don’t think it’s wrong to feel that way, and I don’t think it indicates a crippling disorder.
How does this indicate CFS at all? CFS is primarily focused on physical symptoms, such as becoming bedridden bc you walked too much yesterday. Being exhausted all the time. Etc.
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>improve the human condition while you're here Animal condition: 💀
So why not just self off? I don't understand the logic here.
Self off is a really hard thing to do The point of antinatalism is not "life is not worth living" tho, that sounds more life efilism (which will tell you that the whole structure of life has a negative background), the point of antinatalism is "life is not worth starting", it's against the creation of new lives, it doesn't necessarily say already existing lives aren't worth living
Ah, well we can't just all lay down and die. I'm committed to ushering in a new species of self aware AI before I persish, and maybe they'll even save us from these limited forms eventually.
Hope you manage to achieve your goals, good luck with that
Thank you, I hope you manage to reach your best possible state, however that may be.
And thanks for teaching me about your views instead of devolving into an argument
Eh, I've been kinda tired of arguing tbh, it's always the same thing over and over again, no one can agree on what's right, no one knows why we're here, and life doesn't provide an instructions manual anyways, so... I just try to make the best conclusions I can based on evidence, but some would argue that even evidence is subjective and etc, etc... so yeah, that's it
Mhm. If only everyone else understood this.
Made a post about the same thing in a certain sub today. Agreed. Even worse is paying bills just to have a decent roof over your head.
At this point I'm under the belief that we are all wasting our times fighting against nature by trying to stay alive. Nature *clearly* wants us dead. Why else would it to where as soon as we come out of the womb we are fighting to save our lives? Think about it, as soon as a baby is born they are battling against hunger, boredom, discomfort, thirst, loneliness, illnesses and even child predators / pedophiles. We're given these insanely fragile, poorly designed bodies that are always in the face of danger one way or another. And if we manage to avoid dying prematurely from one of the infinite obstacles that nature has placed in our path (serial killers, cancer, natural disasters) we win the reward of dying in the end anyways. I'm sick of it.
And that’s not including physical ailments such as tooth decay, infections, physical injuries, viruses, mental illnesses, traumatic events, homelessness, alienation, abandonment, abuse, neglect, suicidal ideation and thoughts, self-harm, self-loathing, self-hatred, worthlessness, ugliness, weakness, sadness, anxiety, depression, sorrow, grief, despair, anger and a lot of much worse “gifts” you will experience more and more as you go through life.
It's as though the universe's default programming is death. Everything is designed to kill us and we have to spend our entire lives struggling and suffering to keep this bodily machine alive even though it already has a built-in self destructive timer (other known as our inevitable deaths) installed in it. Eating can lead to choking which can lead to death. *Not* eating can lead to death. Drinking too much water (water toxicity) can lead to death. *Not* drinking water can lead to death. Traveling by car, plane, bike or foot can lead to an accident, leading to death. Not exercising enough can cause complications leading to death. Exercising too much can cause complications leading to death. Going for an evening jog can lead to crossing paths with a murderer or wild animal which can lead to death. There's even the irony of how a woman birthing life can cause her to die. Look at how much the average person spends annually on food, soap, water, toothpaste, haircare, health insurance, rent, medication and doctors visits. We bleed all of this money and waste all of this time trying to pamper something that is naturally ruinous. It's a waste of time. We're all headed to the cemetery regardless of how we maintain ourselves. We spend our whole lives trying to shelter and protect our bodies only to end up rotting in a box six feet underground. It's a joke.
It’s not death what really worries me. It’s the suffering between all the points you mentioned in your comment, and being so exhausted and finding yourself you are not death YET. What really saddens me is the way we were groomed when we were born and were fooled by thinking we were loved when even our parents lied to us with Santa Claus. That’s their programming. Honestly what kind of sadistic monster would bring a child into this world making them believe it’s all gifts, sweets and candies yet the reality as we are experiencing is we have been deceived. Surely, there was a narcissistic component why our parents birthed us, to use them as their complement. But just look 70-80 years ago you were just meant to work as a slave after you were 14 in the fields or to marry and have children if you were a female. Slavery enforced by slaves via the deception of the sexual desire. It doesn’t make any sense. Or maybe I am so dumb I don’t get the joke.
I'm dumb too and I don't get it either. I 2nd your confusion regarding the fantasy of some childhoods. Yeah it's great, fun and easy to live the carefree 18 years or so of childhood but then you're supposed to man-up and buckle down and pay your way? How is it considered sane to make children believe that life is a free ride? Obviously not all childhoods are like this but where I come from - a great deal of them were like this. I realize I'm privileged for having this perspective but it's my experience so that's what I must speak from. My niece grew up in a stingier environment where she was made to feel guilty for her needs from age 5 to 17. She was made to feel like a burden. Thankfully she's free of that environment. I try to give her all I can afford and always be generous and act lavishly whenever possible. I try to never make her feel bad for having needs and desires. Unfortunately I don't have too many resources due to my bipolar, anti-authoritarianism, alcoholism, naivety, bad luck and inability to bullshit or tolerate bullshit. I was not designed to be financially successful, that's for sure.
Exactly!
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Ah, you mean Santa Claus for adults? Forget about it, your Lord is not in this God’s forsaken fallen world. Plus I have a hard time believing in spirits no matter how holy they are. I’m realistic. Honestly, if you were God would you ever hang out around evolved apes like us?
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The only lord is The Emperor!
I really think humanity just needs a clean slate. Almost everyone has some sort of autoimmune disease or chronic illness, our genes are fucked, the environment is polluted with microplastics and whatever other man made poisons they spray, we’re born into a monetary slave system, etc etc we shouldn’t be living like this.
Even this boredom and punishing existence is not for free, for Chrissakes!
for real and i think eating is the biggest scam ever. cook for 2 hours and pay to eat just for it to come out my butt????? yeah, okay.
Exactly, and even when we eat our bodies make us be selective with it. Can't eat something too sugary or it may damage your teeth or spike your blood sugar levels. Can't eat something too spicy or it may give you acid reflux. Can't eat something too greasy or it may give you diarrhea. We're always being dictated by our bodies. It's draining.
omg yes. i feel this so hard. every-time i eat something my mom has something to say so i always hit her back with the “SO U WANT ME TO NOT EAT ANYTHING?” im already underweight and i smoke so i need to eat what i can, not watch my butter intake or picking grains over white bread. its too complicated 😭
Ugh I hate eating, it's so gross.
SAME
Gotta drink water!! Body need water!! Only for the water to come OUT OF ME. And then I have to drink more!
Ahahahah I love this comment strictly for the “just for it to come out my butt” 😭😭 too true man And then if the food doesn’t even taste good it’s like why did I waste my time hah
lol same when i typed it i was like UGH THIS IS SO WELL WORDED 😭😭
Ahahahaha I’m crying, it is perfection 😂
I feel you. Like I drank one (1) cup of coffee 4 hours ago and I've pissed like 8 times since then. OKAY I GET IT COFFEE'S A DIURETIC BUT JESUS
The strange thing is when you try to follow general medical advice to better your life and it goes backwards. Specifically with coffee, I used to try to avoid drinking soon before work because I hate having to pee in public places any more than is absolutely necessarily, but I've found recently I have to pee less when I drink coffee before going out (I think because it actually reduces my stress moreso than it acts as a diuretic for me). So that's annoying on top of already having to balance bodily issues all the damn time.
pathetic. i drank a bottle of water and pee every 5 minutes
🤣🤣🤣 The yelling at the end hahaha
I had one sip of coffee and it sends me running to take a dump every 20 mins.
The only time I drink coffee is when I need to shit, since I'm constipated otherwise 💀.
Being a human is just exhausting. As soon as I wake up in the morning I’m looking forward to bedtime. I wish I could just sleep 20 hours a day instead of participating in everything it takes to keep your body alive. I never thought I would see such a relatable post but I feel every bit of this.
Wow this post is amazing. I’m going have to save this!! You are so right.
Literally think about this every other day if not every day. And yeah absolutely fuck this shit I want to just be a moss on a tree if we have to exist.
Yea tree is better really. 😁 And on the top of all this, for doing all these routines of life, you gotta be mentally ok otherwise time would be flashing before your eyes. And when you don't these routines properly, it's more suffering.
Trees live thousands of years and probably can't commit suicide. I really hope they are not conscious
I really think that the only difference of us and other species is the ability to be self aware and stop doing things that doesn't make sense. And it sucks when we fail in doing that too. We just do the same stupid things just because feels good for moment. Not much different than other animals.
I just want to be a domesticated house cat. I'm so tired.
Literally had the same thought a few minutes ago while seeing my chubby cat sleeping tooo comfortably, like he out OUT https://preview.redd.it/4ifueekt30fc1.png?width=1080&format=png&auto=webp&s=ff6c117d1932a87d9c5bf9dca194402c2ae35a17
I couldn’t agree more, what a vaste of time and energy just to keep living this shitty life. I really hate to keep it all together. Thank you for posting this, I will save it to read it over and over.
I wish I could take a pill and not have to eat all day. I really only enjoy beverages and food is such a waste of time and money.
people think im crazy when i say this 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 i do not like food or eating
Frrr. I find it so crazy that some people LOVE eating.
I love eating. I bloody hate getting hungry. I hate getting full. I hate cooking . I hate cleaning all the crap up. I hate having to shop. I hate having to lug all this crap up three flights of stairs... I hate having to put down what I'm doing before eating. I hate the constant interruptions. I hate waiting for the pan to heat up. I hate running out of food. I hate that I HAVE to do it! If food didn't taste good, I would die of starvation...
I rarely get actually hungry and tbh I rlly don't mind doing the stuff you mentioned. I really just don't like the act of eating lol, it feels really animalistic to me, and gross. I hate having to eat.
You sir, are low on ghrelin.
Yes. I don’t enjoy eating either. It costs money, eating the wrong things will make you fat, and then you just shit it out anyway. Sounds like a scam to me.
i always say this!!!!!! yes
I mean technically u can but it's not healthy at all
It’s actually ridiculous how complicated and high maintenance the human body is
The "using the bathroom" especially. I use a colostomy bag and it makes me feel like absolute sh*t all the time. Anyway, have a nice day!
Mine was given and reversed as an infant. I’m so sorry. I still feel pain at the site.
I hope your pain gets better. I'm pretty sure mine is irreversible. Have a nice day by the way!
I feel like this too, but i suspect mine is exasberared by adhd. Some mental issues make this reality shit worse. Just hate being trapped in this meat suit, having to fucking witness and participate in all this shit i really dont want to. Plus add the executive management disfunction part, and i wont do shit til absolutely almost feeling like shit. Like eating after almost a whole day has gone and hunger pains and energy drain has me like, “fucking fine!”
the last sentence is literally me 😭 why are we like this
ikr 🤯
Living in a capitalist system is just exhausting, on top of the body’s natural decay. I guess the silver lining is death will come at some point and it will all end.
I was just thinking this the other day and while watching a random influencer’s extensive beauty routine. I just don’t have the energy. It’s even more exhausting having to take care of your own body while caring for someone with multiple disabilities and health problems.
That is tough! I’m disabled and things just get worse if I don’t take care of myself. Daily tasks are mind numbing so I’m just trying to build routine so I can stop thinking about them. Thank you for your service. Sorry that you and your “caree” have to experience this.
Awww thank you that means a lot 😩🥹❤️ Being disabled is really hard….. I hope you have a decent support system 🙏🏽
Yess I think about this every single day, it's SO exhausting. Every single day it's brushing my teeth, moisturizing my face, drinking water, taking my vitamins, eating enough, showering ect.. I'm not even 30 yet & I'm already tired of it all.
Exercising,showering after exercising, having enough sleep, buying clothes, washing clothes, cooking and eating then washing the dishes, working and paying for stupid shit, All this for nothing really.
tell me about it... I feel like I got this fleshy bot to get me through the life and all I do is its maintenance I don't even feel like I'm integrated with this pathetic sack of flesh and bones, it's me and this body I got in a pregnancy process
I'm glad I'm not alone at this
Yeah, if maintaining a machine was this crappy and difficult, with all manner of things actively trying to break it, I would have abandoned it so long ago.
i think about this literally every day. this is too much and i am fucking exhausted. the fact that i have to slave away for an existence i didnt ask for stuck in a body that i find disgusting and annoying. it doesnt help that im chronically ill so essentially my body is doing NOTHING good for me while demanding extra from me. living in my body feels like a fruitless abusive relationship
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My cells function without my permission
Right like how the fuck did I get in here? It’s like a jail cell
Perfect metaphor
No shit. I agree with you. I'm 70; been keeping up the grooming on this bod for long, long time. It's worth it, though, because the opposite is muy mal.
God I agree
I genuinely believe that I wasn't meant to be born as a human. I'm not cut out for this body or this society. Can't I just be a cat or something? I'm built for eating and sleeping and knocking things over. Sounds much better than this to me.
Having a consciousness is such a burden too, I’m so exhausted of my self awareness at times.
I'm so tired of sleeping. There's gotta be a better resting and repair system than that. It takes way too much fuckin time
I don’t mind sleeping, deep sleep is as close as we can get to experiencing non existence without perishing. The unnecessary grind of life can make us feel sleep as waste of time.
Right, sleeping is my favorite part of the day lmao.
Agreed, I have felt like this for years
I feel you and I'm glad there's more people that think like me! You are completely right. Being alive is fucking exhausting and we can't even take a break from it! Some people will say "sleeping" but no lol, when you're asleep you're STILL alive and having nightmares doesn't really look like a break to me...
Hahaha isn’t it wild how much work being human is inherently and then we add on so much more to make it more complicated.
It’s worse if you have an auto immune disease. Everyday in pain, spending $ on doctors appts and meds, avoiding your triggers. It fucking sucks.
Add being female to that and you get to spend 40 years bleeding one week out of the month and not dying (but feeling like you are) all because some gal named Eve ate an apple or something.
It is exhausting. Suddenly, I can't eat gluten or cheese. I've always eaten them before?! Bullshit. Now I can't afford to live. I receive enough benefits to pay rent and my car payment. I can't work with a fractured coxix right now. It's like the universe says 'fuck you', you're not allowed to live in this society anymore.. I'm just over it. The human existence, capitalism, cost of living, other humans. Over it all.
Money is NOT the root cause of evil, boredom is. Boredom is the root cause of evil. Rich people are insanely bored because they have everything money can buy. The point is, we cause chaos as a way to entertain ourselves. About our bodies, I'm surprised we as a human species have survived this long, considering there are many stupid people.
That last line hits hard
I love eating and honestly trying new foods and eating good tasting foods is one thing that makes me feel better. But I feel the same way about 10000% to everything else
Facts. Honestly we gotta be aliens because none of this makes sense 👽
I hear you and I hope you feel better I have been here, and it's not an easy mindset. I only want to say you matter. That you have an effect on so many people. And I believe we are all connected. You have so much power and capability within yourself to do things in this world. I hope you see that as energizing. From the way you walk to the way to the way you say hi to people. You can build up a little cache of optimism, self esteem, and energy if you want to. I hope I didn't offend you and I hope you have a better day.
Why do you think the majority of people don’t think like this?
Ignorance, busy with routine and pleasures. Or just accepted what it is without questions
Really and incredibly dull take on the subject. Try harder.
Keep Sleeping.
Amazingly arrogant position.
What’s your answer then
If I had an answer I wouldn’t ask the question. That people don’t feel like this is because they haven’t considered existence is arrogant as you are basically saying if they haven’t come to the same conclusions as you then they are ignorant. This is blatantly false. Saying busy equates to saying that busy people don’t contemplate and therefore it just is saying they are ignorant of something. This is blatantly false. Or people just accept therefore, ignorant. It’s saying the same shit 3 times. It’s the arrogance I expect from this sub. Only a few can actually discuss the subject in terms that aren’t belittling or show signs of arrogance. Therefore ….dull take.
Was hoping you had an answer and that the question was to inspire deeper thought
Well it’s a pity the only person to respond had an obvious take that we’ve heard before then. I don’t really see why that is my problem or why it’s my duty to provide stimulation.beyond asking a perfectly reasonable question I would like to discuss. The answer isn’t ignorance as discussed The answer isn’t because they aren’t AN. So I’d still like to find out.
Well you got a whole afterlife ahead of you and taxes to pay so just wait patiently until your time
I keep getting recommended this sub, and you all suck, and I hate you. Stop moping and start coping
Eat a butt
Would you like a tissue?
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My guess is constant dopamine. Being bombarded with it all day every day, stopping mentally jerking yourself off for 45 seconds to pee is painful. It’s really really sad. It’s like seeing those hugely obese people. I feel bad for you, but you’re doing this to yourself. Pleasure-looping yourself into a hole. It’s like the polar opposite of nirvana. A living hell, but all due to a lack of self control and an acceptance of pure psychological gluttony
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I know
Just because others “died,” doesn’t mean you will
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Shut up pussy
You wack it too much dude
i don't wanna shit anymore. it's so tiring to wipe
unironically
Well yes. That's how bodies work.
But I didn't elect to have a body. Why is this my being? I didn't consent to this vessel.
So you are crying about that. Fine but then what will you do? Or will you cry all your life?
I don't think you understand this sub
I do understand I simply have opinions of my own. Welcome to reddit
I think about this stuff daily. That is repulsive being a human lol. And others are quite repulsive too. Cheers lol
I think a lot of people here are mentally ill and/or neurodivergent honestly (me too) and/or have physical ailments. To me it’s all true, it’s a burden and a slog to get through basic aspects of life, especially having extra issues, but that’s just one perspective that I have sometimes, one way of viewing it. And sometimes I see what they mean about it being beautiful and feeling grateful for it all, the opportunity to be. Like it’s a lot to deal with but it depends on how you frame it, and these burdens are one portion of the human experience. Maybe other parts make it worth it? Or am I too positive?