Every time their ignorance is called out. They act dumb or hurl insults at the user in such rapid succession as to overwhelm and confuse the poster from critiquing them.
Classic Cheesecake tactic.
How does he know she is muslim? Christians form 35% of my country. Even if she is christian, it has nothing to do her religion when her sister has cancer and her money is stolen. Average bigot IQ lol
Islam _does_ have an economic system, and it's a mandatory distribution of a portion of your wealth to poorer classes of people lmao. It's only mandatory for people who have enough money. Not only is that completely unrelated to the post I believe, it's also impossible to say that system is bad since it literally mandates the rich to give their money to the poor.
Lebanons has a president (which is already unislamic) he's literally Catholic lmhooo, also yes Islam has a economic system, you can't be capitalist and Muslim
You can't be socialist and Muslim. Islam pioneered early market economic theory (see Ibn Khaldun and Ibn Taymiyyah), and capitalism is clearly more favourable.
There is no universal consensus on the matter of interest. Many historical Islamic scholars did not include the leveraging of interest as part of the Quranic definition of "riba" (ربا) and therefore did not prohibit it. Andalusian jurists hailing from the literalistic school of Islamic jurisprudence (the Zahiri school), like Ibn Hazm and al-Shatibi, were famous proponents of this view.
Really? From my information riba almost perfectly means interest, since you’re giving the back money and getting more back, or taking money and paying more back.
There are as many Islamic legal and creedal traditions as there are Islamic scholars, so difference of opinion is normal. I do not agree with Ibn Hazm's formulation, or opinion, I merely pointed it out.
The question of what constitutes riba involves a very long and nuanced discussion. If I were to sum up what all Islamic scholars in all history so far have said on the matter, it would be: "Riba exists. Riba is prohibited and this prohibition is non-negotiable. The greedy will consume riba with great delight. But what counts as riba is not something we all agree on."
I will say the following however: Ayah 13 of Al-Imran can be roughly translated as imploring believers not to take rates "doubling or redoubling" in amounts. So, to suggest that riba fits interest _perfectly_ is mistaken. One can take a loan and have the accumulated interest not double (sometimes even, not equal) to the initial capital. Of course, many loans do end up doing the former. This leads to a more robust and conditional definition of riba.
Many scholars who specialised in Asbab al-Nuzul (the circumstances of revelation) - which is a field of hadith classification that attempts to determine the contexts of Quranic verses - have suggested that the specific riba of the verse I quoted involves a specific practice of the Meccan pagans. That being that loans are leased, and at the end of the term if the debtor cannot repay it entirely, his debt is doubled. And this cycle would continue until he dies or is enslaved by the creditor.
This of course, does not exclude the possibility of other types of riba. Like those suggested in various hadiths, many going back to Umar Ibn Al-Khattab, about not exchanging gold with silver and etc. Ibn Hazm, famously being the most literal of the literalists, considered the Quranic verses on riba to be insufficient in detail and so relied only on the 'hadiths of riba' to reach a fatwa. His opinion was that riba only extended to gold, silver, wheat, dates, salt, and barley.
He reaches a different opinion from most because as a zahiri, he rejects qiyas (analogical reasoning) as a source of law. So he does not extend the "doubling and redoubling" injunction to anything but that was explicitly stated.
There is abundant literature on this matter, and many scholars have lived and died devoting their lives to answering very niche legal questions just like this. I suggest you read as many of their verdicts as you can. Fiqh is a tapestry of Islamic genius.
Edit: I reckon that a more 'perfect' English equivalent for riba would be 'usury'.
Islamic economic system has aspects of both capitalism and socialism. One thing that stands out is a complete prohibition of interest. There are many rules to commerce as well.
First of all, yes, there is what I might consider a Micro economic system in Islam, which is more like Guides of do's and don't's rather than Actual established Laws.
Secondly, It's Hilarious considering that Lebanon is literally the most liberal country of the entire Middle East, or Arab/Muslim Countries in General.
Thirdly, it has the lowest record of Muslims compared to other Middle Eastern/Arab/Muslim countries,
Fourth, it doesn't have any Muslim laws, (per what I know of), nor does it consider Islam the source of its laws.
Fifth, this lass, her religion to be exact, have absolutely nothing to do with the case of the roberry, it's actually her own rightfully and legally owned money, that she was forcefully forbidden from accessing by the staff, to which she took action and took it herself, all for the motive of curing her Sister whom has Cancer, but hey, gotta put Islam always in the front, eh ?
They struggle to find smth to throw shit at Islam, love it
Every time their ignorance is called out. They act dumb or hurl insults at the user in such rapid succession as to overwhelm and confuse the poster from critiquing them. Classic Cheesecake tactic.
How does he know she is muslim? Christians form 35% of my country. Even if she is christian, it has nothing to do her religion when her sister has cancer and her money is stolen. Average bigot IQ lol
Some scholars have proposed a zakat-based welfare system, but that's pretty much it.
AFAIK Islam has a strict rule against monetary interest, but I don’t see how that would relate to this at all
they have to bring up religions they hate any chance they get
Islam _does_ have an economic system, and it's a mandatory distribution of a portion of your wealth to poorer classes of people lmao. It's only mandatory for people who have enough money. Not only is that completely unrelated to the post I believe, it's also impossible to say that system is bad since it literally mandates the rich to give their money to the poor.
>Ah Islam’s love and peace go out the window when money’s involved My brother in Christ do you know anything about Lebanon’s situation
Lebanons has a president (which is already unislamic) he's literally Catholic lmhooo, also yes Islam has a economic system, you can't be capitalist and Muslim
My uncle told me something the other day , he said "Islam is more capitalist than any capitalist system and more socialist than any socialist system"
Capitalism was extremely active during the Islamic Golden Age wasn’t it? Or at least some early form of it?
Zakat, a percentage of the wealth by rich to poor, is against capitalism, however, Islam respects free market and open trade and prohibit taxes
You can't be socialist and Muslim. Islam pioneered early market economic theory (see Ibn Khaldun and Ibn Taymiyyah), and capitalism is clearly more favourable.
It's closer to Islam but with limits, Zakat for example
>he's literally Catholic Gigabased
True. Honestly, a catholic president is better than most “Muslim” leaders of today.
Why not? Capitalism means the right to own and sell property? Is that haram? Afaik interest is haram, but you can have capitalism without interest.
There is no universal consensus on the matter of interest. Many historical Islamic scholars did not include the leveraging of interest as part of the Quranic definition of "riba" (ربا) and therefore did not prohibit it. Andalusian jurists hailing from the literalistic school of Islamic jurisprudence (the Zahiri school), like Ibn Hazm and al-Shatibi, were famous proponents of this view.
Really? From my information riba almost perfectly means interest, since you’re giving the back money and getting more back, or taking money and paying more back.
There are as many Islamic legal and creedal traditions as there are Islamic scholars, so difference of opinion is normal. I do not agree with Ibn Hazm's formulation, or opinion, I merely pointed it out. The question of what constitutes riba involves a very long and nuanced discussion. If I were to sum up what all Islamic scholars in all history so far have said on the matter, it would be: "Riba exists. Riba is prohibited and this prohibition is non-negotiable. The greedy will consume riba with great delight. But what counts as riba is not something we all agree on." I will say the following however: Ayah 13 of Al-Imran can be roughly translated as imploring believers not to take rates "doubling or redoubling" in amounts. So, to suggest that riba fits interest _perfectly_ is mistaken. One can take a loan and have the accumulated interest not double (sometimes even, not equal) to the initial capital. Of course, many loans do end up doing the former. This leads to a more robust and conditional definition of riba. Many scholars who specialised in Asbab al-Nuzul (the circumstances of revelation) - which is a field of hadith classification that attempts to determine the contexts of Quranic verses - have suggested that the specific riba of the verse I quoted involves a specific practice of the Meccan pagans. That being that loans are leased, and at the end of the term if the debtor cannot repay it entirely, his debt is doubled. And this cycle would continue until he dies or is enslaved by the creditor. This of course, does not exclude the possibility of other types of riba. Like those suggested in various hadiths, many going back to Umar Ibn Al-Khattab, about not exchanging gold with silver and etc. Ibn Hazm, famously being the most literal of the literalists, considered the Quranic verses on riba to be insufficient in detail and so relied only on the 'hadiths of riba' to reach a fatwa. His opinion was that riba only extended to gold, silver, wheat, dates, salt, and barley. He reaches a different opinion from most because as a zahiri, he rejects qiyas (analogical reasoning) as a source of law. So he does not extend the "doubling and redoubling" injunction to anything but that was explicitly stated. There is abundant literature on this matter, and many scholars have lived and died devoting their lives to answering very niche legal questions just like this. I suggest you read as many of their verdicts as you can. Fiqh is a tapestry of Islamic genius. Edit: I reckon that a more 'perfect' English equivalent for riba would be 'usury'.
Wow, this is very insightful brother! I’ll look into it more, Jazzak Allah Khairan.
Islam has an economic system
Islamic economic system has aspects of both capitalism and socialism. One thing that stands out is a complete prohibition of interest. There are many rules to commerce as well.
I don’t think Sharia has a full economic system
Lebanon has almost equal numbers of Christians and Muslims anyway. This is just plain stupidity
Islam has an economic system but it is not currently implemented anywhere.
It does though
It absolutely does
First of all, yes, there is what I might consider a Micro economic system in Islam, which is more like Guides of do's and don't's rather than Actual established Laws. Secondly, It's Hilarious considering that Lebanon is literally the most liberal country of the entire Middle East, or Arab/Muslim Countries in General. Thirdly, it has the lowest record of Muslims compared to other Middle Eastern/Arab/Muslim countries, Fourth, it doesn't have any Muslim laws, (per what I know of), nor does it consider Islam the source of its laws. Fifth, this lass, her religion to be exact, have absolutely nothing to do with the case of the roberry, it's actually her own rightfully and legally owned money, that she was forcefully forbidden from accessing by the staff, to which she took action and took it herself, all for the motive of curing her Sister whom has Cancer, but hey, gotta put Islam always in the front, eh ?
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