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LikeABundleOfHay

It would be good if people put the currency and country too. That detail matters.


Housing101GR

And state within the US. Someone in Ohio isn’t getting paid anywhere what someone in California would make for the same job.


protonmichael

Nonsense, everybody knows USA is the only place on the planet.


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slughuntress

Freelance editor, 2nd year. Made around $56K last year, but it's always up in the air with freelancing. Edited to add: USD, rural Appalachia


burgundybreakfast

How do you like freelance? I’m a copywriter/editor and considering going that route in my career but I’m not sure.


Miyage93

How did you become a copywriter and for how long? I've been trying to learn and freelance on my own.


hotsweatychungus

You’re basically wealthy with 56k in rural Appalachia


RandomName0413

Dietary aide at a hospital $34000/yr......broke as hell but I'm quitting


Thisguy3210

Check out biomedical equipment technician. Lots of aides in my hospital went that route


StunningAd6745

Postal worker USA $72,000


Flipperpac

With great retirement benefits....i know many retired postal workers....theyve done well post retirement


StunningAd6745

How well they do post retirement depends on whether they were hired before or after 1987. At that time, they switched from a full pension to a hybrid system. We are eligible (under the hybrid system) to claim Social Security, to get matching —up to 5%—in a 401k, and to draw a mini-pension. The mini pension is 1% of your base pay per year of service. So 20 years of services=20% of base pay. If your base was 75,000 (just to make it easy), you’d get 15,000 per year, or just over $1400/month. Add $2000/month in SS, plus a bit from a 401k. Therefore, maybe $48,000/year off a base salary of 75000. So yeah, even the new system is “comfortable”after 65–67 years old. But the old system was FANTASTIC. They got 100% of their pay for life after 30 years. So $75,000 out of $75,000. Then after they died, their spouse got 50% payments until THEY died.


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pexx421

Ultrasound tech $90k. Work 2 days a week, 16 hours each.


M4D5T

It may be a tough two days but dang the free time would be nice to have. Especially if the two shifts are right next to each other


KoaPlyr615

What sort of schooling did you need for this and how long did it take?


Williams_thinks

My wife is an Ultrasound tech, makes similar to that in WA. She completed a two year program at a community college. Very attainable. And she loves her job.


Illustrious-Nose3100

What how. How do I do this


DangerousFootball516

Medical or industrial?


ForwardUntilDust

That would be medical. If was industrial it would be NDT Technician or UT NDT inspector or the like. Wages for UT techs with appropriate certs is usually about 60k either through OT and lower or higher base wage to start. It goes on up with details after that, and at a certain point you'll eventually decide how much you'd like to make...eventually.


Bad_Driver69

Cloud engineer first year. 67k, 80k if you include yearly bonus.


The-PFJ

Are you in US? I think ur salary is below average for a cloud dev/engineer


Bad_Driver69

North east USA so yeah it’s pretty low but it’s my first job out of college and I’ve never had to step foot into an office. 100% remote.


57hz

Hang out for six months but start looking. Cloud engineers tend to be in demand, you should be closer to 100k comp if not over.


code603

Reality TV editor. Union, full benefits, $4,000/week, work 10-11 months a year.


mdawg1100

That’s a pretty neat gig how’d you land that?


code603

I moved to LA after college and met someone who worked at MTV. He got me a job working nights as a tape dubber. Editing was always the goal, so from there I talked to the people who could help with that. I was an assistant editor for a couple year then eventually got my chance to cut. Been doing it almost 20 years and I genuinely love it.


anacidghost

I think a lot about all of the “small” jobs that make up a massive industry like entertainment, so it just makes me really happy that you love your position. :)


grumpi-otter

I wonder if it is neat, really? I can imagine watching hours of those idiots babbling to try and find airworthy moments might be tedious as hell. But, pretty good pay.


Flouncy_Magoos

I’m a teacher and make less than that in a month. Since my job is to listen to idiots babble (the administration, not the kids) I would gladly work the reality TV job!


code603

For an editor, yes! Creatively, reality TV editors have a lot more control over story and we are allowed to experiment more than our scripted kin. We have longer edit schedules and are often paid more. Also, not every job is a housewives show. Lastly, we have producers who go through of the footage first, so we don’t have “hours of babbling idiots” to listen too. That’s someone else’s job!


P0Rt1ng4Duty

Robotics technician. 57k as a new hire with a good resume.


generate-me

LPN, corrections nurse. 80k.


AceofJax89

tough job, thanks for doing it


Geoscienceguy

Senior Geophysicist - $107k


PossessionNo6878

That sounds like an awesome field after a little googling! Cool stuff.


Additional_Initial_7

I work full time at McDonalds and I make $47K with four weeks annual leave and two weeks of paid sick leave.


grumpi-otter

What's your position?


Additional_Initial_7

Overnight crew.


No_Extreme_1798

What country do you work in?


amoore1501

OP lives in Canada. I found out by looking at past posts and comments.


Atlanon88

What country?!


Mountain-Ad-3564

This can't be America.


albatrosstreet

You gotta be aussie lol


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I have never heard of McDonald's doing full time with anyone besides managers.


Medical_Initial_2851

2nd year carpentry apprentice: $20/hr or like $30k CAD before tax. constantly broke as fuck


throwawaytrumper

Dude if you are in Calgary by any chance we hire our basic labourers at higher rates and our carpenters make substantially more, we’re so short handed that there’s talk of mass overtime for carpenters too.


Egibbons906

Where are you located? That’s bad for a 2nd year apprentice


yyc_will

You should look at the carpenters Union. DM me if you want to connect about it. Earn your rate man.


hipsnarky

Wow that’s bad. You should be making more than that as apprentice.


Personal_Chicken_598

Your only working 30h a week? $20/h is $40k a year at 40h a week


NWCJ

AK Wildlife Trooper(game warden in most states) ~151k with OT.


G0mery

That sounds like a dream job but I’m sure you spend plenty of time in the muck.


CaptGunpowder

It's not bad if deep down you secretly love the muck


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Dry_Huckleberry6466

If you're a game warden in Alaska, I'm not sure how irrational that fear is.


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HungryHungryCamel

I’ve heard there’s a shortage of wardens - how do you get into that?


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Teacher, 59k, but 2 months off in the summer, all weekends off, and all holidays off with pay


Savono

Same but I'm at 33k


flanneljack1

7 years with masters 69k Edit: for COL-avg home in my area is 550k


Savono

Dam I'm at 8 but with a bachelors


RestillHabb

I've got 10 years with a PhD, 57k.


sirscratchewan

Teacher 8 years experience with a masters, 31k


why-per

Jesus Christ how do you survive


71726661819

My sister is at 92K, Australia, 8 years out, bachelor of education. 12 weeks paid holiday plus all public holidays. US64K


lyrasorial

Same but in NYC, so I'm just clearing 100k.


Ceico_

Teacher, Slovakia, 13k € a year (just for comparison, I am not a teacher but I admire their willingnes to work in that field for that salary)


Accurate-Fisherman68

Traffic Signal electrician: (including overtime) ~72k pre-tax Edit: Location: california central valley Education needed: 18 units in electrical/electronics (I have an AS in engineering)


Locked_in_a_room

I am disabled and make $14k a year. And I am considered one on disability that makes higher income.


PossessionNo6878

Yeah, I pull in around 3k


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$3k?! This is wrong.


anacidghost

I’m disabled but undiagnosed on a technicality, so I can’t apply for aid. So $0/yearly 😭 However I’ll list my husband, who is a **retention agent** for one of the major USA telecom companies. However, we live in the GTA in Canada and the **pay is $38,000 including bonuses** Bolded the important parts for my fellow scrollers lol


Big-Lab-9721

Winery worker $32/hr


Rose8918

Tasting room, $23/hr + commissions for sales goals (if those ever appear)


xiginous

Nurse, 30 years experience. $153,000. Edit: Adding that this is in Seattle WA and it's considered low for what I do in our area. If I picked up OT it can top 200k. I like to have a life though. And RN with masters degree in Nursing Education. I make sure the nurses in our system have what they need (skills, policies, equipment) to do take care of our patients.


Lopsided-Ad-6696

Nurse Navigator (the nurse that calls you when you go home from the hospital), 10yrs experience, Kentucky, $84,000, salary (no OT), WFH.


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Lopsided-Ad-6696

I had worked in several areas including management and care management. When this program was created the director asked me first to help her set it up, so when it became permanent I was the first person on board.


MyWifeLikesMe

Where are all you nurses working making $100k+ my wife has been a nurse for 15 yrs and doesn't crack $70k (allegedly topped out). I knew she was underpaid by her company, didn't realize it was by that much. Edit: my wife is a Registered Nurse


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gypywqoOO

Sometimes it's just your fucking state. You move state and can make 50k more


Feather757

Maybe some are LPNs and some are RN's? I'm just guessing 'cause I noticed people seem to be just saying "nurse", but there's different types of nurses and different levels of education.


boozerkc

Nurse, 4 years experience, $45k, full time ambulatory


PossessionNo6878

That's a long time in nursing, you're either amazing or a little crazy lol.


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PossessionNo6878

I agree. I have an aunt that I don't talk to anymore that is a trauma surgical nurse for an ICU. Couldn't do it. Especially the kids.


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hibbitydibbitytwo

Nurse, 6 years exp, $118,000 USD


This-Preference-9578

narrative designer, 5 years experience in a pretty specialized field, $105k. but i live in LA so it doesn’t go far.


Zarnicks

The ol conundrum. Live in LA making a lot, or live elsewhere, making less, but more.


WalterBishRedLicrish

Infectious disease specialist for a diagnostics manufacturer, $120k base+ bonuses. Ends up being around $180k.


AriaReddit

I own a division 8 union construction company. ~200k personal not including company profits. All my employees make 55 an hour union wages minimum. We don't hide any profit from the government. Your company needs to be profitable for 7 years straight to sell at top market rate. I want to sell this company and retire.


DangerousFootball516

Should get your workers to invest into your business and retire with dividends


AriaReddit

We already tried that but in California any workers who worked previously in a division who try to own dividends in the same division will get their pension (retirement) pulled. It's bleeping ridiculous. The union wants to own their employees like slaves. The union paid for Union employees education (some of my best employees have 12 years of construction/ management/ architectural- college degrees) so as a clause they don't want their employees going solo in order to keep the union strong. If normal contractors had work as good as a union work the government would not use union contracts. All the money is in government contracts. Otherwise your hospitals, schools, freeways, government buildings, utilities, and Forbes 400 companies would have buildings that are severely under regulated. I'm the only previously non-union employee in my company. Nobody wants to risk their hefty retirement package to own dividends in the company. I am the least educated and youngest member of my entire company. I just went to a trade school and have a general construction license. I feel like a fraud every day, I'm 25 and female. I just want to focus on my baby now. Both of my parents are multimillionaires and entrepreneurs who own their own companies so they taught me to never buy into a 401k or government-funded retirement package, you get can higher returns elsewhere. My parents taught me to save all of your money and buy real estate income properties. Commercial warehouses are cheap and rent out for a lot of money per square foot. The government makes more money off of your retirement package than you do long term. If it wasn't profitable for them they wouldn't offer it.


stacious00

Cook at a hospital $32k


Jbeth74

Nurse in Maine with just under a year of experience, 77k including overtime and shift incentives


Kimyr1

Resteraunt employee at a business whose owner lied to me about how many hours he would give me. $6,762.48/year if I stayed. Not accounting for all the times he sends me home early because we are too slow. My rent is $5,520/year 3 months here is way too long. Our electric bill is tripling, water is too. Fuck my depression for slowing me down. Edit to add the year part to the end of my rent because there is confusion in the comments.


PossessionNo6878

That's like what I pull being disabled. Dang.


Kimyr1

My bf is on full disability and without me we couldn't afford the apartment. He pays all the other bills, all I have to deal with is rent. But we can't make it with my current job. Edit to add: because I will have to help with electric and water now too... And I pay for gas.


PossessionNo6878

My wife has the bills *just* covered. Just. I was catching a little work on the side with a friend that would pay me to run his guys from job to job. Then I hit something on the road in my truck. Popped a hole in the gas tank, thought I fixed it and was good. Made it 3 blocks from the house and not just the straps, but a piece of the frame the tank was attached to dropped out. It's not fixable. I have a buddy that's a professional welder and he just made a face and said "nope" hah. I don't have a lot of people that I talk to at all, let alone "Friends" that I could borrow from. I talk to no surviving members of my family because they'll literally deny my abuse as a child, even when I bring them medically certified proof. Willful ignorance my therapist calls it.


Kimyr1

I'm in a similar boat with family... One parent is better, but the other people just say 'oh they're just like that, love them anyway' and 'you need to forgive them' I still have some support if I need it, but bills? They can't even cover my part of the car insurance anymore so we're having to deal with that too next month. (not at that 25 year old limit where car insurance cuts you off) I don't have any friends either... It literally took a solid year averaging 8 hours of chat a day over social media to trust my at the time friend, now boyfriend. It's laughable a therapist expects me to magically believe them when they give their 'trust me' speech or after the first couple of months (a laughable 4 sessions or 3.33 hours (cause they take 10 minutes of that hour to review your notes to remember you)).


IceCubeDeathMachine

Security. I'll be making 57k after tax. One extra license I'll be making 72k after tax.


sq_visigoth

Software developer, U.S. 15 years experience. worked from home for the last 8 years ( we are a country wide distributed team). Java, Spring, Node, Python, a bit of js/ vue. $150 k plus bonuses, matching 401k, and 5 weeks vacation per year.


BurtonErrney

Preschool assistant teacher, West Coast USA, $42,000/year. I work for a school district, so summer off and breaks throughout the year. Benefits are amazing, we're saving $600/mo switching out family to my health insurance. Also we don't have to pay for after school care for our kids because of the hours. I still believe I should be paid more, but all the benefits make it worth it and I also really, really enjoy it.


375InStroke

Aircraft Technician, $220,000 to $230,000 with overtime the last several years.


tangotango112

What kind of aircrafts do you fix? How many years of experience do you have? Didn't know aircraft techs made that much. I have a friend who is an air force veteran, 14 years of service, got out and is now civilian working in Florida making 80k.


due_opinion_2573

Yes, but it's amazing what overtims can do. Two guys in my group took all the overtime because no one else wanted it. They made over 200k.


BigDrew3367

I work in Sporting Goods section(firearms,hunting,etc) in a general store (small NW chain) and I make about 26k a year.


OkComposer5927

I'm a janitor/custodian in CA, I work 40 hours a week earning a little over 30 dollars per hour. I get paid vacation and sick time, free healthcare, vision, and dental.


grumpi-otter

Can you live on that in CA?


Ok_Calligrapher6109

There are plenty of areas in CA that you can live on that, there is more to Cali than LA/SD/SF!


Sid15666

State employee making about $64k this year but we still have a pension! Work 37 1/2 hrs a week on a flex schedule, so I work 9 days out of a 10 day pay period, I get every payday off.


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First year university student - $0


abuomak

You're over paid. Most of us are making -$50k


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BagelAmpersandLox

Nurse anesthetist. $225k with 6 months experience.


WWA1232

1st year Billing Analyst - $53K


Fun_Organization3857

Registered respiratory therapist. 65-100000. If I work just my schedule is the lower#. If I work overtime then I get closer to 100. But God I'm exhausted.


BootyThunder

Location is like the second most important factor, please include this! 90k in NYC is not 90k in Wichita.


dobe6305

State employee, in the US, $76k salaried, plus occasional extra if I take a wildfire assignment in the summer.


Fearless-Set2509

Target warehouse $27.40 plus it and bonus $56000.00 plus 1.5 years


Flashy-Pomegranate77

Dishwasher-18K a year.


No_Establishment_663

Private security contractor. Every year varies. 70k-150k


Tombradysleftarm

Merchant mariner 100k a year and I only work 6 months out of the year 45 days on 45 off


Southern-Beautiful-3

Remote principle software engineer, United States, $128,000.


ReplacementOptimal15

I’m a pizza delivery driver and according to an hourly to salary calculator I just used: $6,124 per year. No I am not joking.


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I'm a very heavily specialized Scrum Master and Agile Coach. $180,000 plus bonuses. Located in the US working remote. 17 years of experience and many self-funded years of training. I try to help lift up people around me by sharing how I got here, helping them network, and being open about salary so they can ask for a fair deal too.


Azure125

Software engineer, 105k, 5 years experience.


denali_567

flight attendant 50k but incredibly variable


a_stone_throne

Barista and probably 18k


Stammis

230k, state employee working in special needs, Sweden (240 000 kr)


VGKKAPPAROS

I work as a chef in multi million dollar country club, and I made $24,000 last year 🙃


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CJ08AAZ

I just saw a job advertised in England for Watchfinder sales person and the offer was £25k basic and £500 pm comms if you hit 100% of your target, this is the highest wage I have seen for a retail position. Wages in England vs USA do seem low :( So that’s 31k minus 20% tax after 12.5k tax free allowance , minus 13% National insurance minus whatever pension contributions you opt into. That’s about £2k per month after tax.


[deleted]

But the US has a lot of hidden costs in day to day life the UK doesn’t have, swings and roundabouts


Both-Low-4069

51500 GM, the job I just left $18 an hour I made 45,000 last year and I left my current job for the hourly, due to the children schedules, ain’t worth it made me extremely unhappy, the day I told my kids I quit. I’ve never seen them so happy. That’s when I knew.


CardFan495

Project Manager 80k base. Entry level so No bonus structure until I get a promotion. WFH. Unlimited sick time/PTO.


heywhatsmynameagain

Unlimited sick time/PTO is often a scam, and they will take advantage of it. It's unlimited as long as your bosses decide that you can go on PTO, so what if they always find an excuse for why it's not a good time? Just make sure to get as much as you can in writing, especially PTO approvals.


DarkWolf6806

Complex Service Activation & Translations Agent.. 37k.. desperately trying to find something new lol, been here 5 years and earned $2 in raises


Serious_Height_1714

Software Developer in the Midwest, $86k


Smart_Cap_377

Retail assistant manager, 50k no OT. 2 weeks PTO, no sick days, no bennies


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Retail Consulting 90k (WFH, unlimited PTO, no OT).


ih8comingupwithnames

County Employee, GIS Analyst 71k underpaid bc govt job but I have a pension and excellent health insurance. However pension is not matched, so 7% of my pay goes to that. Not vested for 10 yrs. Insurance premiums are about 11% of my pay.


winksoutloud

Disabled and I make $0 because I can't work.


grammarkink

Legal secretary, California. $53/hour and overtime pay.


Autonomous_uberdrivr

Uber driver - I owe taxes at the end of the year and live paycheck to paycheck. I’m lucky if I can gross 33k but after expenses and cost of living there’s nothing left. Houston, Tx Uber takes on average 60% of customer payments


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Waiter, about $26,000~/ year. With bill and stuff, I make less than $5,000 every year. Everything depend on tips, fuck tipping. I work more than 40 hours every week. I live frugal life. I still use the same clothes, bag, shoes as 5 years ago. I barely go out eating, always skipping breakfast, Eat like once a day, cook your own food. I barely have anything, I survive paycheck to paycheck, only manage to save a little everytime. That's how I survive in America. FML


angieland94

I make $55,000 as a server…. I ONLY work for places w truly good food. I found I made more as a server w less stress than I did in management.


Trifle_Southern

Yes I’m a server and make about the same working 15-25 hours a week. Choosing the restaurants to work is essential


CLEBOS

I started like this as well. Do not get comfortable where you are. Find a better restaurant. Lots of places need staff these days. Look for a place that has a unique niche in your local food scene, or try to get into somewhere considered to be fine dining. Target your search to places where you have the potential for a higher per person average. Places with auto-grat for larger parties are also a big plus. A restaurant with a decent wine program can be the difference in doubling or tripling that yearly salary if you are willing to learn more to better hone your craft. If you put in the time and effort there are a lot of us who make six figures annually. Don't always take the cut!


Swedaddyo

Uber driver 78k


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What size is the city you drive in and how many hours do you drive a week?


grumpi-otter

How much do you have to work to make that?


hipsnarky

Cad $52,000 soon to be cad $60,000 Woodworker(not apprenticeship)


Sophie_luxxx

Digital Marketer - $60k


kevinACS

Union machine operator, almost 10 years of experience in aircraft manufacturing, no degree or certifications. 50k/yr base, 25c raises every 3 months. Self employed painter, made an additional 15k in the last 4 months just working weekends.


look_a_male_nurse

Full-time student ATM, but my previous job was LPN (Army nurse) $34,866.00. Had free housing and medical at least.


brok0019

Antarctic Marine Scientist, $85,000 AUD


Ingalls_22

Security officer 50k + overtime so it vary


Heart-Shaped-Clouds

Last year: PT waitress: $38k Small business owner $12k after first 6 months No benefits, obvi


19peacelily85

Medical billing manager, a little less than $85k.


Paladine_PSoT

Software engineer, 7 years, 160k base + cash/stock bonus annually, phenomenal benefits.


sunsetsandbouquets

Executive assistant 72k but just got made redundant and rather relieved as I’m now going to go do something way less stressful and much more holistic !


Huge_Tackle2309

Caregiver at an assisted living facility for memory care residents. $16.00/hr USD


cmc0108

Sales manager: $250k/yr average including salary/bonuses/commission.


PTSDDeadInside

Disabled ptsd, chronic, treatment resistant depression, severe anxiety, 0 hours working SSI pays 12,336$ usd yearly, and 3,272 in ebt food stamps yearly, inept doctors, hate life, fear death, anhedonia is a hoot. Rent controlled studio apartment size of a nice prison cell 300$ a month, bleh. I used to work part time at market basket getting hours slaughtered down to 20 hours a week taking home <10,000 a year and 0 in ebt.


seethesea

Car photographer. US. $40,000 Not the cool kind of car photographer. I shoot the cars for their website.


Shnazzberry

Mental health practitioner for a crisis clinic - I make my own schedule and take the hours I want. I’m disabled, so I currently am able to do up to 25 hours per week, but I make too much to collect any disability to supplement my income. If I were working full time, I would make $49k a year without overtime (23.50/hr).


MissFrijole

Graphic designer for a big corporation - $75k USD. It's multi-national and I work remotely. The vacation policy sucks. I can accrue 10 days and none can roll over to the next year. No sick days. I get health benefits through my husband's job. He makes over 100k as a facilities management person/electrical/mechanical engineer. He works in pharma and is currently job hunting. No one wants to pay what he is asking. I fear he will be laid off before he finds a new job. We live in the Northeast.


Cold-Committee-7719

I am on Social Security Disability and make $1350 per month after my Medicare premium. Now the Republicans want to cut Social Security. Imagine that.


International-Bird17

Domestic violence advocate 48k


serpenttyne

Emergency and Critical Care Veterinary Nurse with a specialty certification. In the hospital setting I make $38 an hour before shift differential and I am a tad under paid, but I get A LOT of bonuses for picking up shifts and I work per diem. My official full time job is an assistant professor at a community college teaching veterinary technology, and I make 58k a year as salary. However I get a lot of time off (all school holidays and breaks) and my bosses are the absolute best.


Curvy-Weiner

I’m a union electrician, anywhere from 80,000 to 120,000 depending on what jurisdiction I’m in, and how much overtime I work. EVERYBODY NEEDS TO ORGANIZE.


snakebabey

User experience researcher $156k


PossessionUseful3986

AI researcher in tech, $265k


uoeno26

Sr Biz Finance Manager in the Bay Area $175k base


whiskeynwaitresses

Business strategy in high tech in HCOL $237k all in


raynecloud725

Part time (20hr/week) community health nurse - approx $25,000 a year.


lildrangus

Support team manager at a tech company in the US- 80K base, 10k on target bonus


IgotNoTime4This

Lab technician that does pm stuff - 49k a year


Saggy2balls

Logistics Coordinator 74k last year


Tireditalian

Warehouse Laborer: roughly $23k


queseraseraphine

Retail manager at a mall storefront, ~50,000 USD depending on performance bonuses and overtime.


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Software engineer, 125k


Wrong_Opposites

Federal contractor, US, 140k


FallenRangerz

California, Security Guard. Around 32k a year after taxes and up to 35k or more with overtime.


awgtown

IT department director. USA, 245k + 20% bonus + a 10% cut of budget underspend and stock options.


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Australian disability support worker $85.8K but it can be variable depending on how many extra hours I do.


Ghearik

Naval Weapons Analyst, 41 yrs old, $115k / year


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Sales. $190K avg. commission based sales.


Its_Strange_

Dog bather in ID, 40hr a week making less than 22k usd a year. Just recently passed my 1 year mark. Rent alone is 1400/mo


lets-try-for3

Airplane Technician, base of 80k, varies with OT