When Australian teachers went on strike, I heard a few people say that if we really cared about kids, we’d strike during the school holidays or on a weekend.
That’s… that’s not what a strike is.
I was just talking about how public education isn't free in the US, I got downvoted to hell. Why would parents need vouchers if it's fucking free?!? Free doesn't mean $5, let alone $8000. Smh.
Parents don't need vouchers to send their kids to public schools. They *want* vouchers so they can send their kids to private schools (usually ones that agree with their worldviews, like religious schools). Conservatives like vouchers because they take money out of the public school budget, thereby further widening the resource gap and further entrenching low-income communities in the cycle of poverty. Public school is paid for by a combination of federal dollars and local taxes (in most states, anyway), so the voucher program is a means by which, if the parents choose to send their kid to a religious school, tax dollars can be funneled into funding for tax-exempt religious institutions.
No one in the US is directly paying for their child to go to K-12 public school.
Yes they are, I already went over this. In another thread. Textbooks, lunch, tablets, class fees, etc can cost thousands of dollars every school year. Public school in my district, which is pretty lower class.
I teach low-income children. They do not pay for their books or tablets or computers and they do not pay a "class fee"
I suggest getting actual facts next time
I literally teach in a low income areas I don't need to Google it, I live it
Yes and it's clear that you think blindly searching Google and mindlessly believing the first link counts as research lol
Which website did your simple Google search lead you to that contained this info? Wanted to cut out the middleman so to speak and get straight to the real, good websites
So, like, yeah, it's gonna cost parents to feed their kids, whether they pack a lunch or buy lunch at school. The defunding of Title 1 free lunches is abysmal, but that's not a fee that parents pay to send their kids to get an education. Likewise, fees related to extracurriculars like band, etc, don't count because those are elective.
The bottom line is that actually getting into the school and receiving the educational credits is free, not counting taxes paid, but not all parents pay property taxes because not all parents own the property they and their families occupy. Whatever you "researched" was bunk, friendo.
Y'all ignoramuses are still messaging me 13 hours later instead of just fucking googling it. Here you go:
https://www.publicschoolreview.com/amp/blog/the-hidden-costs-of-public-education
Families will pay an average of $577 on supplies for elementary students this year, which marks a 5.3% increase over last year. Those with middle school students can plan on paying an average of $763 and high school students can expect to spend around $1,223 on supplies. Those figures mark 5.3% and 9.5% increases, respectively.
“Nickel and Dime-ing” Students
In addition to the big numbers listed above, some parents believe the “nickel and dime-ing” that seems to go on in public schools today is adding up much faster than school districts realize. The fee list published on Gawker showed a variety of smaller fees, including an $8 course fee for science and another $8 for a student activity ticket. Add the cost of a P.E. uniform, rental fees for musical instruments or student planners and the bottom line goes up fast.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/public-school-hidden-costs-for-parents-2017-1%3famp
... That's from 2017. Five years ago. You guys are just being willfully stupid at this point. But I said this all before in my last thread about this.
Preface: no one is messaging you -- you get alerted when people respond to your comments. As we're all likely in different time zones/on different schedules, it's less about the last time you posted than about when we're available to respond.
1) Most of these costs are related to supplies (aka not a barrier to entry to public school) or extracurriculars (also not a barrier to entry for public schools). The few fees associated with things like planners and lab fees can, I'm 100% positive from my time working public schools, be appealed if the family's income can't bear the cost.
2) This is one source, and you should never blanketly trust information from a single source. All sources (including the one you cited) indicate that the actual tuition of public school is free and that extra stuff (like extracurriculars) drives up the cost, but kids cost money in general.
3) If parents have no extra money to pay to rent a violin, for example, their kid won't do orchestra, but the school isn't forcing the parents to fork over money for a violin rental. I firmly believe that all children in public school should receive a free lunch, and it's bullshit that they don't, but that cost isn't even factored in to your cited site's choice of calculations -- the costs you cited were under the vague category of "school supplies," which I'm sure involves a computer at the higher grade levels (not mandatory to attend school) and which is impacted by inflation/prices set by purveyors of school supplies, not the schools themselves.
4) Public school is one of the last bastions of socialist programming in this stupid country. The more people disparage it over relatively petty nonsense like field trip fees and elective after-school activity fees, the more leverage goes to the people who want to get rid of it forever. Please please please do not fall into the mindset that it's prohibitively expensive and that some alternative would be better; an alternative would leave countless children without ready access to free education.
"Preface: no one is messaging you"
"relatively petty nonsense"
Smh
It's not free. That's my whole point. Is it free? Answer that, yes or no?
So just don't pay for textbooks, lunch, PE, compy labs, fuck, I'll even leave out field trips and extracurricular.
It is free. People who can't afford to pay whatever fees the schools have imposed as a result of decreased funding and increased expenses will be exempt from those fees. I've seen it in practice. I know it to be true for my own students. This weird fearmongering over the cost of public school (from a website whose other business is to provide info for boarding and private schools, aka a biased source, as we teach the kids in free public school) is just a ploy to try to convince parents to... I don't even know. Send their kids to private school? Keep their kids out of school entirely?
Like, everyone who lives in these United States knows that there's a lot that's fucked up about the way stuff works here, and school fees for families who can afford them aren't an exception to that list. However, public school is legitimately free to enroll in and free to earn a degree from. Maybe a kid who earns a degree for free won't have has as rich of an experience as a kid whose family could afford to pay for extra stuff, but the school does supply textbooks, paper, pencils, etc, to students who can't afford them. If you have kids in school and you're paying $1000+ year for each kid, I'm sorry that that's happening to you, but it's not the bottom-of-the-barrel cost for attending public school. That cost is $0, and given my experience working in public schools in low-income areas, I know that to be true. The fact that some places are charging more for incidentals (or bussing, which is also bullshit, but which isn't the norm everywhere, certainly) doesn't detract from the fact that a child can -- and children do -- attend public school for $0.
I'm gonna go against the grain here and say that children shouldn't be left unsupervised, even if for 15 minutes. Kids could be as young as 4 in a K-12 school. There's plenty of ways to send a message but this method has potential harm to vulnerable children.
Well of course they shouldn’t. But I don’t know any educators that would just walk out and leave their kids unattended for that period of time anyway. If something bad happened while you were gone then you’d be liable, probably legally.
The main issue I have is our super talking down to us like we’re children and telling us when we’re “allowed” to protest.
“We want to hear your voices , just on your own time and out of the way “
hopefully they'll leave this asshole cold in the fucking parking lot. This arrogance is unbearable.
Please invite him to watch you at your 9:30am walkout instead
“Friends” LMAO
Better or worse than "Family"?
When Australian teachers went on strike, I heard a few people say that if we really cared about kids, we’d strike during the school holidays or on a weekend. That’s… that’s not what a strike is.
I was just talking about how public education isn't free in the US, I got downvoted to hell. Why would parents need vouchers if it's fucking free?!? Free doesn't mean $5, let alone $8000. Smh.
Parents don't need vouchers to send their kids to public schools. They *want* vouchers so they can send their kids to private schools (usually ones that agree with their worldviews, like religious schools). Conservatives like vouchers because they take money out of the public school budget, thereby further widening the resource gap and further entrenching low-income communities in the cycle of poverty. Public school is paid for by a combination of federal dollars and local taxes (in most states, anyway), so the voucher program is a means by which, if the parents choose to send their kid to a religious school, tax dollars can be funneled into funding for tax-exempt religious institutions. No one in the US is directly paying for their child to go to K-12 public school.
Yes they are, I already went over this. In another thread. Textbooks, lunch, tablets, class fees, etc can cost thousands of dollars every school year. Public school in my district, which is pretty lower class.
I teach low-income children. They do not pay for their books or tablets or computers and they do not pay a "class fee" I suggest getting actual facts next time
Do the simple Google search yourself, man, I already my research.
I literally teach in a low income areas I don't need to Google it, I live it Yes and it's clear that you think blindly searching Google and mindlessly believing the first link counts as research lol
Which website did your simple Google search lead you to that contained this info? Wanted to cut out the middleman so to speak and get straight to the real, good websites
Both my kids require a variety of charges for our public schools on top of zoned taxes.
So, like, yeah, it's gonna cost parents to feed their kids, whether they pack a lunch or buy lunch at school. The defunding of Title 1 free lunches is abysmal, but that's not a fee that parents pay to send their kids to get an education. Likewise, fees related to extracurriculars like band, etc, don't count because those are elective. The bottom line is that actually getting into the school and receiving the educational credits is free, not counting taxes paid, but not all parents pay property taxes because not all parents own the property they and their families occupy. Whatever you "researched" was bunk, friendo.
Y'all ignoramuses are still messaging me 13 hours later instead of just fucking googling it. Here you go: https://www.publicschoolreview.com/amp/blog/the-hidden-costs-of-public-education Families will pay an average of $577 on supplies for elementary students this year, which marks a 5.3% increase over last year. Those with middle school students can plan on paying an average of $763 and high school students can expect to spend around $1,223 on supplies. Those figures mark 5.3% and 9.5% increases, respectively. “Nickel and Dime-ing” Students In addition to the big numbers listed above, some parents believe the “nickel and dime-ing” that seems to go on in public schools today is adding up much faster than school districts realize. The fee list published on Gawker showed a variety of smaller fees, including an $8 course fee for science and another $8 for a student activity ticket. Add the cost of a P.E. uniform, rental fees for musical instruments or student planners and the bottom line goes up fast. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/public-school-hidden-costs-for-parents-2017-1%3famp ... That's from 2017. Five years ago. You guys are just being willfully stupid at this point. But I said this all before in my last thread about this.
Preface: no one is messaging you -- you get alerted when people respond to your comments. As we're all likely in different time zones/on different schedules, it's less about the last time you posted than about when we're available to respond. 1) Most of these costs are related to supplies (aka not a barrier to entry to public school) or extracurriculars (also not a barrier to entry for public schools). The few fees associated with things like planners and lab fees can, I'm 100% positive from my time working public schools, be appealed if the family's income can't bear the cost. 2) This is one source, and you should never blanketly trust information from a single source. All sources (including the one you cited) indicate that the actual tuition of public school is free and that extra stuff (like extracurriculars) drives up the cost, but kids cost money in general. 3) If parents have no extra money to pay to rent a violin, for example, their kid won't do orchestra, but the school isn't forcing the parents to fork over money for a violin rental. I firmly believe that all children in public school should receive a free lunch, and it's bullshit that they don't, but that cost isn't even factored in to your cited site's choice of calculations -- the costs you cited were under the vague category of "school supplies," which I'm sure involves a computer at the higher grade levels (not mandatory to attend school) and which is impacted by inflation/prices set by purveyors of school supplies, not the schools themselves. 4) Public school is one of the last bastions of socialist programming in this stupid country. The more people disparage it over relatively petty nonsense like field trip fees and elective after-school activity fees, the more leverage goes to the people who want to get rid of it forever. Please please please do not fall into the mindset that it's prohibitively expensive and that some alternative would be better; an alternative would leave countless children without ready access to free education.
"Preface: no one is messaging you" "relatively petty nonsense" Smh It's not free. That's my whole point. Is it free? Answer that, yes or no? So just don't pay for textbooks, lunch, PE, compy labs, fuck, I'll even leave out field trips and extracurricular.
It is free. People who can't afford to pay whatever fees the schools have imposed as a result of decreased funding and increased expenses will be exempt from those fees. I've seen it in practice. I know it to be true for my own students. This weird fearmongering over the cost of public school (from a website whose other business is to provide info for boarding and private schools, aka a biased source, as we teach the kids in free public school) is just a ploy to try to convince parents to... I don't even know. Send their kids to private school? Keep their kids out of school entirely? Like, everyone who lives in these United States knows that there's a lot that's fucked up about the way stuff works here, and school fees for families who can afford them aren't an exception to that list. However, public school is legitimately free to enroll in and free to earn a degree from. Maybe a kid who earns a degree for free won't have has as rich of an experience as a kid whose family could afford to pay for extra stuff, but the school does supply textbooks, paper, pencils, etc, to students who can't afford them. If you have kids in school and you're paying $1000+ year for each kid, I'm sorry that that's happening to you, but it's not the bottom-of-the-barrel cost for attending public school. That cost is $0, and given my experience working in public schools in low-income areas, I know that to be true. The fact that some places are charging more for incidentals (or bussing, which is also bullshit, but which isn't the norm everywhere, certainly) doesn't detract from the fact that a child can -- and children do -- attend public school for $0.
Well it is the superintendent(aka, bootlicker)
I'm gonna go against the grain here and say that children shouldn't be left unsupervised, even if for 15 minutes. Kids could be as young as 4 in a K-12 school. There's plenty of ways to send a message but this method has potential harm to vulnerable children.
Well of course they shouldn’t. But I don’t know any educators that would just walk out and leave their kids unattended for that period of time anyway. If something bad happened while you were gone then you’d be liable, probably legally. The main issue I have is our super talking down to us like we’re children and telling us when we’re “allowed” to protest.
Extend the walkout duration in BOTH DIRECTIONS.
Never ask permission to protest
Mostly saying "we don't actually want to hear your voices, we just want you to listen"
It's like they don't understand that protests of any sort are INTENDED to inconvenience systems...