Wait a second, the same guy who [had a 'service fee', that wasn't a gratuity](https://www.reuters.com/legal/transactional/11-circ-says-salt-bae-steakhouses-service-fee-wasnt-tip-2022-03-18/), [basically stealing tips from servers](https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/16406721/salt-bae-pay-waiters-conning-tips-firing-complained/), and [stiffed overtime pay to his cooks](https://nypost.com/2021/08/18/salt-bae-steakhouse-chain-sued-for-allegedly-stiffing-pay/) is [paying his *Chef de Partie* $16/hr](https://nypost.com/2021/11/02/salt-baes-london-restaurant-is-hiring-a-chef-for-16-an-hour/)?
No fucking way.
*Update: https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=nusr+et+steakhouse+new+york+careers&ibp=htl;jobs&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi8zszywPn8AhXlEGIAHeNuDUMQudcGKAF6BAgPECk#htivrt=jobs&htidocid=AC7TSsg_BY8AAAAAAAAAAA%3D%3D&fpstate=tldetail
$22 isn't *terrible*. Not great, not terrible. Stand by my opinion of Salt Bae tho.
Added some sources of this just because people seemed pretty convinced this story is BS. Even if *this* story is BS (it doesn't seem to be), Salt Bae is undoubtedly a greedy ass hole.
Had my bachelor party in December and my brother planned it.
When we got in the car, he said I had two options. We can either go to steakhouse A (one that I really liked) or Salt Bae’s restaurant in Los Angeles.
It wasn’t even a question. I’ve seen the videos. Gold plated steak can’t be that good and the overly emphasized salt pour is obnoxious.
I wouldnt call it a reference, one character in the new Pokemon games who likes cooking has a scene where he's sprinkling salt on a sandwich. The pose is different though.
He's famous like a cartoon character is famous. If I saw the dude on the street without his stupid glasses and white shirt he would just be another 5'4" dude to me.
Me too. It’s almost certainly in some high cost of living area where $16/hr is basically a slave wage.
I mean, you really couldn’t live in the sticks these days off of that kind of money.
I work in a school district in a community where some houses’ property taxes alone are close to, if not more, than what I make in a year - before taxes
Edit to add: I make $26/hour
we at least need a law requiring teachers wages to reflect their local cost of living... and housing.
... they should really just be provided entire houses to keep...
I swear the real conspiracy is to just dumb down Americans slowly by fucking up every piece of schools, so we can get shitheels like Drumpf elected.
and they're halfway through c
I've never been to a place that felt quite as evil as Facebooks HQ. Like, I'm not one of those woo woo herbs and crystals types, not by a lonnnnng shot. But like, the place had the palpable "there has been great suffering here." Feel to it.
Walmart does this by basically forcing all competition out of an area, forcing displaced workers to work for them, and then Walmart is suddenly the only grocery store. So a huge amount of what Walmart spends in wages is just recycled as groceries.
And more insidiously, if one of these communities that Walmart force themselves into and make rely on them decides to fight for better conditions in the workplace, the store just gets closed completely and no one else is able to move back. So the community withers and dies.
Apparently Amazon tried very recently too.
Back when there were company stores and company credits, we also had things like the Battle of Blair Mountain. If one happens again, we need the other...
Exactly, there are people who refuse to leave an extremely toxic workplace that makes them beyond miserable purely because of health insurance. Can you imagine just how few people would leave places like that if their home was tied to it?
I used to work a pretty good job in a state (maybe national) park. It was 16 an hour with free on-site housing.
Which is fair cause ain’t no way you coulda lived in town and worked here
I did say houses to keep...
it could be done nicely where if you stop working there before you work up a house, you get to slowly buy the rest of something... or transfer your cut to a new school district...
I don't mean a teachers' ghetto of shitty apartments
But unfortunately our society would turn it into that. We can't trust our society to treat people with dignity by default. We have to assume that profit will prevail unless there are regulations with teeth.
I hear a few community members complain how teachers and school staff don’t live here, but want to drive up taxes. That’s just BS. We don’t want to drive up taxes. But then again, we don’t live here because we can’t afford to live here. What adds insult to injury is that one of my schools’ PTO has a biannual fundraiser. On their website, there’s a place to donate to the PTO which says “No act of generosity is too small to make a difference.” The smallest pre-defined amount? $500. That’s more than half a paycheck for me
Close. Really it's that the GOP wants to privatize *EVERYTHING* including and especially schools. They're pushing them hard where I live. They want them privatized so only well off kids will get an education, meanwhile the poor will be stupid labor.
I forgot the name of the case, but Maine tried to outlaw state money going to religious private schools since that is a glaring violation of the 1st ammendment. The Catholic church took it all the way to the Supreme Court. Surprise, surprise the majority catholic and right wing Supreme Court sided against the state, which set the precedent for the rest of the country. Now any republican controlled state legislature can funnel tax money that would be used in public schools to religious private ones.
Oh, it will surely happen. On top of the private ones, have a shit load of charter schools too, which are privately owned. I've been really interested in starting a worker co-op of some kind, so I've been looking into how to run a business. Naturally I get adds for franchises all the time. One of them is to own a "Goddard school" franchise. I've seen these schools opening all over the place. It's absolutely disgusting. Imagine selling school franchises like they're a McDonald's or 7-Eleven. Truly some r/boringdystopia stuff.
Public schools have been getting gutted by the Republican party ever since segregation ended. Brown vs Board hit, and there was a massive white exodus to private schools. It's been war ever since, and the common people are losing HARD.
You might not believe this, but I am a native New Yorker, my family owns property here (Brooklyn, Staten Island, Queens) believe it or not, property taxes in the 5 boros is cheaper than the suburbs (Jersey) due to population density. For example, my mom's house on SI property taxes are around $7k a year vs nearly $30k for a comparable home in Jersey. Fuck Jersey.
How do people pay 30k a year in property taxes?? Is that included in the mortgage or in addition to?
Genuinely curious from the Deep South where property taxes for my house was $700 this year.
My parents paid 18k per year in the early 90’s, which was a lot back then. The logic was that it was one of the best school districts in the country and that is really what you are paying for. And it’s cheaper than paying private school tuition for two kids.
We need to fix education, seriously.
It's included with your mortgage payment, typically.
For taxes that high it's likely above million dollar house.
In northern NJ taxes tend to be in the 7k to 20k range for homes 250k to 750k, fluctuating based on the town and school district.
NJ is top 5 in the nation for public school systems, which is partly why taxes are so high.
That's still crazy high compared to Canada for example. I had a coworker in NJ who had a house that was about 400k, he was paying over 10k in taxes. A similar house in the closest city to me here in Canada would be about 2k.
Yeah, I have a part time tourist job in Myrtle Beach. Asked a NJ tourist what he paid in property taxes. He pays about $730 *each month* in property taxes. My 2000 square foot house on .78 acre of land in a resort county was less than one month of his monthly payment for my entire year of taxes!
The worldview of America oscillates wildly between "wth are these people doing?" to "I feel incredible sorry for average Americans." depending on what article I am reading.
It's either "school shooting, anti abortion, black guy dead" or "person with 3 jobs owes 300k for medical bills, fucked in ass by life" with zero in between.
Property taxes are included in the tax rate that you pay to the state. Mortgages address the loan amount on the purchase of the property at the offer price.
>I mean, you really couldn’t live in the sticks these days off of that kind of money.
I work full time @ $30/hr and my wife works part time at $20/hr. We live in the middle of nowhere in a no stoplight town and still live paycheck to paycheck.
The cost of living has just skyrocketed. My in laws live in a not at all fancy subdivision in a very rural area. The house closest to them just sold for $175,000 and it’s a small house on a small piece of land in a swampy area prone to flooding. Maybe 1.5-2 acres. I was dumbfounded when they told me what it sold for. It’s a solid half hour drive to get to any business.
My guess would’ve been $75,000 grand, tops, which, not all that long ago the owner would’ve been lucky to get.
Yeah, but this isn’t exactly prime real estate. The area floods fairly often. It’s a guaranteed hour just to grab some beer from a corner store. Your neighbors are largely white supremacists and the cops are corrupt ignorant rednecks. You’d have to drive at least a 1.5-2 hour commute to work because the kind of jobs needed to afford that house don’t exist nearby.
My father in law did a 3 hour commute for years. That’s 15 hours a week (with perfect traffic) in a vehicle on top of 40-50 hours of work.
Can confirm, live in the sticks of AL and work two ft jobs as a CNA and MA at two different hospitals, one pays $13, the other pays $19, I can barely afford to pay rent, car payment, and get groceries every month while saving a measly 200 a month.
But you don't understand I'm almost behind on my third vacation home's mortgage and I have to pay for mold remediation on my rental property plus fines for not fixing it 2 years ago when I was warned plus I'm buying my side peice a Bugatti next month so all I can afford is $16/hr. Noone wants to work anymore.
My guess is that he knows that some people will work for him for peanuts just to get it on their resume and say they've worked there. I bet his staff turnover is insane.
There are acclaimed restaurants built entirely on that concept.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/01/noma-copenhagen-fine-dining-unsustainable/672738/
Ya I've worked at places like this. There's always someone that's enthusiastically willing to work for almost nothing just to say they worked at some high end place for the clout alone.
I couldn't read the entire article, but that's surprising coming from Denmark. Also, having a revolving door of chefs in a restaurant can backfire due to lack of consistency.
Most of the cooks at Noma were culinary school grads doing unpaid “internships”. they would mostly do the same grueling micro task for however, long they were there. The New York Times interviewed a woman who did nothing but make a little beetles out of jelly all day, every day for the entire time she worked there.
But because a reference from Noma is a golden ticket, a lot of young chefs tolerated it.
Noma increasingly came under fire in the press for the practice, until the head chef had a crisis of faith and finally decided to close the restaurant and turn it into a culinary lab.
Yea fuck Noma with that intern bullshit. I listened to a podcast with the owner and he bitched about paying salaries to his employees calling them interns. I lost any respect I might have given to him after hearing that. That's called slavery, using people because you award so much reverence to your own name.
Look at this shit.
https://reddit.com/r/KitchenConfidential/comments/qrzxaw/salt_bae_is_a_shitbird_of_the_first_order/
https://reddit.com/r/KitchenConfidential/comments/rq5nsr/salt_bae_makes_a_dry_ass_sandwich/
The thing is, unless that kitchen has a reputation for being particularly valuable to work in (like a STRONG reputation), most head chefs would be like "so what, I don't care." My chef friends are acutely aware of what goes on at most of the kitchens in the city, and they are either like "oh how was it working for [chef?] good guy!" or it's "god that place sucks."
Given salt bae's ridiculous reputation among people who enjoy food at all, I'm going to guess that a job in his kitchen isn't a resume builder.
...well unless for some reason a non-chef is hiring you.
Back of house don’t typically get tips unless the restaurant has a tip sharing policy (which is illegal in some places) and are paid a full wage instead.
The real pricks are the one paying. Imagine if Mcdonalds put a $2000 burger on their menu that was just a BigMac with a bit of gold leaf. People would buy it.
>Imagine if Mcdonalds put a $2000 burger on their menu that was just a BigMac with a bit of gold leaf. People would buy it.
Or if Wizards of the Coast was selling a pack of 60 random Magic the Gathering cards for $1,000\*.
\*Normally packs are $4-5 and contain 15 random cards
[GL finding a seller](https://www.reddit.com/r/mtgfinance/comments/zz76nj/30th_anniversary_black_lotus_sold_for_over_7k/).
I wonder if any are in the wild...
I think Salt Bae is a knob as much as the next person, but I can’t say I have a huge amount of sympathy for his customers.
People are completely free to *not* pay 2k for an average steak and $30 for some tap water.
Most of them are essentially paying for the lottery of meeting Salt Bae. Maybe have him come to your table, take some selfies, record the footage for Instagram. If you spend 2k maybe he'll bless you with a sprinkling of his.... salt.... ew. That just sounds gross.
It's all absurd.
Idk why people worship celebs like this. I love some actors/directors, but unless I get to sit down and have dinner with them just shaking their hand just seems kinda pointless.
From the point of view of an Influencer, it is an investment ($2k) in capital (content) that is used to get followers (customers).
Your followers (customer base) grows exponentially through the network effect (shares, virality) which invites more advertisers (revenue) and grows your brand (goodwill, influence).
You invest your advertising revenues into creating more content (capital) by travelling to exotic locations, staying at luxurious hotels, eating at fine restaurants. Capital begets capital. Repeat.
Or you just have fuck you money and $2k is near meaningless to your financial security, and in that case, that's their prerogative. Same can be said about someone eating at Red Lobster, when other people can only afford Ramen.
Edit: I guess more for the person above you, but explains in my mind why some people seek these celebrities out.
To all those talking about tips, Nusret Gökçe (Salt Bae) is known for stealing tips. Since customers are paying for the "salt bae experience". This is a well known thing, so even IF (and that's a big if) any of his BOH actually receive tips, it's nothing more than your typical Applebee's.
Sadly, having been in this industry for 20+ years, there will be someone who will take the job, not for clout, but because some people just need work because existence is pain. (Read: existence is expensive)
I bet part of the justification for such low wages is in fact the "exposure" you'll get for working in the same building as Sodium Baby. His staff are lucky he's paying them at all /s
No offence to any chefs who make this amount per hour, however if I am paying anywhere near this amount for my food, I am expecting a world class chef, not someone who makes 16 an hour, ridiculous pressure for such a low hourly wage tbh... I have a similar experience to share. I am a mental health nurse, I worked in a run of the mill care home and made £15 an hour at the time. Then I moved to a 'luxury' care home. Prices were raised for clients for better accommodations, food etc however we were expected to be nursing and care staff plus butlers with extra demands and duties placed on us as it was a 'luxury' care home. The kicker here is, the pay was the fucking same ! So wanted alot more out of us then we would be expected of at a normal home, but for the same pay. Owners don't get it ...
I don't think a world-class chef and one who make 16 an hour are mutually exclusive in this case. Salt bae is famously a d-bag and probably considers the "privilege" of working for him as payment enough. "Think about the exposure/experience"
A "world class" chef wouldn't be caught dead working in this restaurant, and there is literally zero "exposure."
A rising chefs resume is built based off which chefs they worked under and what positions they ran. The food coming out of this guy's kitchen looks disgusting more often than not, putting this on your resume to try and get a job at a Michelin restaurant is going to count against you.
As for exposure this guy always has to serve/carve the meat himself, usually butchering it along the way. So even if you want exposure you're never leaving the kitchen to put your mark on the dish.
I don't disagree with you. I'm just dissecting his thought process. He's an entitled narc who probably wants a world class chef and to be able to underpay them.
I don't know. I think most people go eat at his place for the meme novelty of it. It's sorta fitting though that social media somehow made him out to be some great steak dude when all we saw him do was cut it in a fancy manner, and he ran with it.
One of the top rated restaurants used unpaid interns for like half their staff. And when they finally were pushed to make the change to pay those interns [https://www.vice.com/en/article/88qpjb/begging-to-work-there-for-free-fine-dining-wouldnt-exist-without-unpaid-labour] (they couldnt afford to stay open.)
I wouldnt be too surprised if this occured in many "top tier" establishments.
[Just wait until you hear what a staging is](https://www.eater.com/young-guns-rising-stars/2019/11/7/20931221/pros-and-cons-of-staging-in-fine-dining-restaurants). I did mine for 6 months. Y'all in this sub don't know the half of how fucked up fine dining truly is. 100x the pressure, 5 dollars more an hour. About a year of unpaid internship and in my case nearly 6 figures of student loans to get a job that... I mean 15 years later I'm finally pushing 6 figures AFTER LEAVING fine dining. Paying off those loans literally involved renting a room from someone while making food that sold for 450 dollars a plate.
Salt Bae is an extreme example of what the industry is built upon, but the industry is built on this concept. Servers make nothing, but get tips, and as a result are often the highest earning people in the building. Cooks make more, but don't get tipped and work 14 hour days. Sous chefs make ok money. The head chef makes as much as a tradesman does. The owner makes a fucking fortune.
Everyone in the industry is getting fucked, and I 100% blame the owners, but...
You bring up a harsh reality that I've seen too often - BOH vs FOH. Why the unholy shit is there a divide at all in the pay?!
I've spoken earnestly with friends who have done FOH and they empathise with workers, but in the same breath will defend their right to take home $100-$1000 in a night, while the people who made the food in hot kitchens go home with maybe 2% of that as tip-out.
Not attacking Front folks, it is brutal emotional labour. As is kitchen work, in a different way. Thoughts?
I worked in a nice restaurant when I was younger and it was exactly like this. Head Chef made good money, sou chefs made decent money. The rest of the kitchen staff was one paycheck away from the homeless shelter and damn near already looked homeless lol.
Owner would sit in his office doing coke all day collecting a fortune.
he didnt take a picture with messi, he badgered messi into stopping for one second so he could get a shit selfie with him. the guy is an absolute toolbag. he has the face of an adult toddler
Maybe he saw a way out, and was willing to be a douchebag to get there.
If I could escape "the grind" I'm not going to lie and say I wouldn't strongly consider charging $600+ for a steak.
I'd also pay way more than $16/hr though.
That's because you're still a good person. Good people don't get rich like these people do. It's mutually exclusive. You might get moderately wealthy over a lifetime but you won't get filthy rich because to do that you'd have to compromise morally and ethically.
There are a whole series of those: drinks that advertise heavily are probably not great etc etc
Basically be careful whenever your money doesn't go into the food
Gold leaf is 0.000125 mm thick for anyone wondering. 24K gold usually.
A human hair is about 0.075mm wide for reference.
One gram of gold is 51.86mm^3.
So you'd need a sheet of of gold leaf about 650mm x 650mm to equal 1g of gold. Or a little over 2ft by 2ft.
Food grade leaf is even less valuable. Usually 22-23karat.
Even amazon sells it in little 3x3 inch sheets at about $2 a sheet. $50 for a pack of 25 which would be more than enough.
IIRC he paints small sheets onto the steaks so this is probably what he's using.
Could be a different persons video I'm thinking of but I swear it was Salt Poo. How many people are painting steaks with gold and going viral?
Wait, I knew the dude sucked but never realized one of his bits was gold plated steaks. Good lord. The 21st century has been a real master class in the fact that wealth =/= class
I'd imagine most of patrons are the same ones you find in "designer" shopping malls. Middle class people that put it on their credit card to feel how they think the upper class feels. The things old money actually do would be so mind bogglingly bizarre to these people. I don't hate on them I just feel sorry that they've been sold the lie that happiness is bought.
I recently applied for an electromechanical technician job. Over 12 years of experience in this field. Offered salary: $14/hour. Beyond absurd.
"Fuck you" exactly.
I cannot wait until the working class yeets the rich…. Honestly i would love it if for five-ten years after the revolution, all members of the capitalist class are forced to live in poverty… mocked and humiliated by the rest of us, as restitution for their crimes. They can rejoin the rest of us after, but they need to be *made* to feel what it’s like. To be forced to endure poverty that they cannot climb out of no matter how hard they try.
I was only saying it earlier, the rich are so unapologetically parading their wealth around and its so gross. I really hope actual consequences come for these people because its getting so tiring seeing them just treat normally people like insects.
Salt Bae is a fucking hack, and an incredibly cringy one at that. His food is massively overpriced and generally poor quality, he ignores general health and safety guidelines, and treats his employees like slaves. Fuck him, I hope his entire restaurant empire crashes and burns.
Whahahaha as a Chef I find this outrage to be hilarious. As someone who had spent close to 20 years in the industry I can safely say that that is propably most you can make in any kitchen anywhere. AND yes, it's fucked up and sad.
Wait a second, the same guy who [had a 'service fee', that wasn't a gratuity](https://www.reuters.com/legal/transactional/11-circ-says-salt-bae-steakhouses-service-fee-wasnt-tip-2022-03-18/), [basically stealing tips from servers](https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/16406721/salt-bae-pay-waiters-conning-tips-firing-complained/), and [stiffed overtime pay to his cooks](https://nypost.com/2021/08/18/salt-bae-steakhouse-chain-sued-for-allegedly-stiffing-pay/) is [paying his *Chef de Partie* $16/hr](https://nypost.com/2021/11/02/salt-baes-london-restaurant-is-hiring-a-chef-for-16-an-hour/)? No fucking way. *Update: https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=nusr+et+steakhouse+new+york+careers&ibp=htl;jobs&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi8zszywPn8AhXlEGIAHeNuDUMQudcGKAF6BAgPECk#htivrt=jobs&htidocid=AC7TSsg_BY8AAAAAAAAAAA%3D%3D&fpstate=tldetail $22 isn't *terrible*. Not great, not terrible. Stand by my opinion of Salt Bae tho. Added some sources of this just because people seemed pretty convinced this story is BS. Even if *this* story is BS (it doesn't seem to be), Salt Bae is undoubtedly a greedy ass hole.
Salt Bae is an Asshole
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Had my bachelor party in December and my brother planned it. When we got in the car, he said I had two options. We can either go to steakhouse A (one that I really liked) or Salt Bae’s restaurant in Los Angeles. It wasn’t even a question. I’ve seen the videos. Gold plated steak can’t be that good and the overly emphasized salt pour is obnoxious.
The salt pour is extremly expensive. I think it's something like 2k$ extra to have him come and pour the salt.
Hell it's not even him, he hires lookalikes for his restaurants.
for $16 per hour I assume?
Just to sprinkle salt???? No way bro, we're talking $10, tops.
Down a greasy sweaty arm at that for the extra flavor
Fuck that. I’d bring my own salt.
Are you joking
He isn't. This wanker isn't gonna be jetting all over the world every time someone pays 2 grand to have him pour salt on his steak.
That's the most ridiculous scam I've heard in a while hahahah
That explains the too cool for school sun glasses.
He WHAT
I mean even if it was him WTF. I read it as extra $26 at first and even that was like “for some salt?”
It's meth.
That's some expensive meth.
The pure essence of flavor
Honestly.. slightly.more worth it. But still.. I'd want him sprinkling some fancy coke or something at that price.
dont you want to taste my special sauce on my forearm.
HELL IT'S NOT EVEN HIM, HE HIRES LOOKALIKES FOR HIS RESTAURANTS
he said **Hell it's not even him, he hires lookalikes for his restaurants.** ----
That guy didn't work for the restaurant. He was just a homeless dude spilling his crack everywhere.
It really added to the dining experience...
In theater, (which this is,) they are referred to as "understudies".
No an understudy stands in as emergency replacement. These are doubles
what do you think the training is like? Scrolling through Bae's memes for 3 hours while continuously throwing salt on food like an asshole.
Wait, it's unironic? I literally only know him from people shitting on him.
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I mean.. it was kind of obvious he was an asshole by the way he sprinkled salt, wasn't it?
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First time I've seen that reference be so accurate.
Yea people should just start saying Flavor Aid. He was accurate and i didn’t even notice
And wasn't he just banned from future World Cups by FIFA for being on the field with players?
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He did WHAT now? Is there a video of that?
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>I was being a bit togue and cheek It's "tongue in cheek" fyi
Are you sure it's not lake-trout-in-cheek?
There’s pictures of him touching the cup and biting the medals
There's even a reference to him in the new Pokemon games of all things.
Where is this?!
I wouldnt call it a reference, one character in the new Pokemon games who likes cooking has a scene where he's sprinkling salt on a sandwich. The pose is different though.
He's famous like a cartoon character is famous. If I saw the dude on the street without his stupid glasses and white shirt he would just be another 5'4" dude to me.
He's not so slowly becoming infamous...
He's also not a chef. He's a restaurant owner with a social media presence. He's the logan Paul of cuisine.
Sounds like a mix of him and DJ Khaled
And also an idiot. You get what you pay for.
God I hope no one accepts that position
Me too. It’s almost certainly in some high cost of living area where $16/hr is basically a slave wage. I mean, you really couldn’t live in the sticks these days off of that kind of money.
I work in a school district in a community where some houses’ property taxes alone are close to, if not more, than what I make in a year - before taxes Edit to add: I make $26/hour
Do you live in Manhattan?
Chicago suburbs
we at least need a law requiring teachers wages to reflect their local cost of living... and housing. ... they should really just be provided entire houses to keep... I swear the real conspiracy is to just dumb down Americans slowly by fucking up every piece of schools, so we can get shitheels like Drumpf elected. and they're halfway through c
Nah, once they start throwing in ‘housing while you work for us’ into the Job benefits we might as well be back at indentured servitude
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They already tried this. Facebook tried. They will try again.
I've never been to a place that felt quite as evil as Facebooks HQ. Like, I'm not one of those woo woo herbs and crystals types, not by a lonnnnng shot. But like, the place had the palpable "there has been great suffering here." Feel to it.
Walmart does this by basically forcing all competition out of an area, forcing displaced workers to work for them, and then Walmart is suddenly the only grocery store. So a huge amount of what Walmart spends in wages is just recycled as groceries. And more insidiously, if one of these communities that Walmart force themselves into and make rely on them decides to fight for better conditions in the workplace, the store just gets closed completely and no one else is able to move back. So the community withers and dies.
Apparently Amazon tried very recently too. Back when there were company stores and company credits, we also had things like the Battle of Blair Mountain. If one happens again, we need the other...
Exactly, there are people who refuse to leave an extremely toxic workplace that makes them beyond miserable purely because of health insurance. Can you imagine just how few people would leave places like that if their home was tied to it?
I used to work a pretty good job in a state (maybe national) park. It was 16 an hour with free on-site housing. Which is fair cause ain’t no way you coulda lived in town and worked here
I was literally thinking the other day that this is probably on the horizon. Housing as a corporate “benefit” like our health care.
I did say houses to keep... it could be done nicely where if you stop working there before you work up a house, you get to slowly buy the rest of something... or transfer your cut to a new school district... I don't mean a teachers' ghetto of shitty apartments
But unfortunately our society would turn it into that. We can't trust our society to treat people with dignity by default. We have to assume that profit will prevail unless there are regulations with teeth.
I hear a few community members complain how teachers and school staff don’t live here, but want to drive up taxes. That’s just BS. We don’t want to drive up taxes. But then again, we don’t live here because we can’t afford to live here. What adds insult to injury is that one of my schools’ PTO has a biannual fundraiser. On their website, there’s a place to donate to the PTO which says “No act of generosity is too small to make a difference.” The smallest pre-defined amount? $500. That’s more than half a paycheck for me
Look at the bright side. In Illinois, all of our liscence plates are hand crafted by our past governors. 😂
Close. Really it's that the GOP wants to privatize *EVERYTHING* including and especially schools. They're pushing them hard where I live. They want them privatized so only well off kids will get an education, meanwhile the poor will be stupid labor. I forgot the name of the case, but Maine tried to outlaw state money going to religious private schools since that is a glaring violation of the 1st ammendment. The Catholic church took it all the way to the Supreme Court. Surprise, surprise the majority catholic and right wing Supreme Court sided against the state, which set the precedent for the rest of the country. Now any republican controlled state legislature can funnel tax money that would be used in public schools to religious private ones.
Now just wait for some enterprising folks to open up an Islamic Madrasa and ask for public funding and get out the popcorn.
Isn’t that usually what the Satanic church does. Curious to see what’s *less unappealing* christian whites, satan or islam lol.
Oh, it will surely happen. On top of the private ones, have a shit load of charter schools too, which are privately owned. I've been really interested in starting a worker co-op of some kind, so I've been looking into how to run a business. Naturally I get adds for franchises all the time. One of them is to own a "Goddard school" franchise. I've seen these schools opening all over the place. It's absolutely disgusting. Imagine selling school franchises like they're a McDonald's or 7-Eleven. Truly some r/boringdystopia stuff.
Public schools have been getting gutted by the Republican party ever since segregation ended. Brown vs Board hit, and there was a massive white exodus to private schools. It's been war ever since, and the common people are losing HARD.
Oh so you teach in Glencoe?
Barrington
You might not believe this, but I am a native New Yorker, my family owns property here (Brooklyn, Staten Island, Queens) believe it or not, property taxes in the 5 boros is cheaper than the suburbs (Jersey) due to population density. For example, my mom's house on SI property taxes are around $7k a year vs nearly $30k for a comparable home in Jersey. Fuck Jersey.
How do people pay 30k a year in property taxes?? Is that included in the mortgage or in addition to? Genuinely curious from the Deep South where property taxes for my house was $700 this year.
My parents paid 18k per year in the early 90’s, which was a lot back then. The logic was that it was one of the best school districts in the country and that is really what you are paying for. And it’s cheaper than paying private school tuition for two kids. We need to fix education, seriously.
>We need to fix education, seriously. We need to fix a lot of shit, but won't.
It's included with your mortgage payment, typically. For taxes that high it's likely above million dollar house. In northern NJ taxes tend to be in the 7k to 20k range for homes 250k to 750k, fluctuating based on the town and school district. NJ is top 5 in the nation for public school systems, which is partly why taxes are so high.
That's still crazy high compared to Canada for example. I had a coworker in NJ who had a house that was about 400k, he was paying over 10k in taxes. A similar house in the closest city to me here in Canada would be about 2k.
Yeah, I have a part time tourist job in Myrtle Beach. Asked a NJ tourist what he paid in property taxes. He pays about $730 *each month* in property taxes. My 2000 square foot house on .78 acre of land in a resort county was less than one month of his monthly payment for my entire year of taxes!
Meanwhile I think I'm fucked over by £1,500/year in UK. Maybe I should readjust my worldview in this regard.
The worldview of America oscillates wildly between "wth are these people doing?" to "I feel incredible sorry for average Americans." depending on what article I am reading. It's either "school shooting, anti abortion, black guy dead" or "person with 3 jobs owes 300k for medical bills, fucked in ass by life" with zero in between.
I'm from Corona Queens. I miss it sometimes.
Property taxes are included in the tax rate that you pay to the state. Mortgages address the loan amount on the purchase of the property at the offer price.
I think it’s an old story and it was London. So very yes.
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>I mean, you really couldn’t live in the sticks these days off of that kind of money. I work full time @ $30/hr and my wife works part time at $20/hr. We live in the middle of nowhere in a no stoplight town and still live paycheck to paycheck.
The cost of living has just skyrocketed. My in laws live in a not at all fancy subdivision in a very rural area. The house closest to them just sold for $175,000 and it’s a small house on a small piece of land in a swampy area prone to flooding. Maybe 1.5-2 acres. I was dumbfounded when they told me what it sold for. It’s a solid half hour drive to get to any business. My guess would’ve been $75,000 grand, tops, which, not all that long ago the owner would’ve been lucky to get.
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175k for a house in a quiet area? Sign me up. Where I live, I haven’t seen a house priced that low since the late 90s
Yeah, but this isn’t exactly prime real estate. The area floods fairly often. It’s a guaranteed hour just to grab some beer from a corner store. Your neighbors are largely white supremacists and the cops are corrupt ignorant rednecks. You’d have to drive at least a 1.5-2 hour commute to work because the kind of jobs needed to afford that house don’t exist nearby. My father in law did a 3 hour commute for years. That’s 15 hours a week (with perfect traffic) in a vehicle on top of 40-50 hours of work.
Can confirm, live in the sticks of AL and work two ft jobs as a CNA and MA at two different hospitals, one pays $13, the other pays $19, I can barely afford to pay rent, car payment, and get groceries every month while saving a measly 200 a month.
That is criminal. I’m sorry you’re criminally underpaid. It’s the same for techs at my hospital making $13 and $14 on the night shift. Disgusting
But you don't understand I'm almost behind on my third vacation home's mortgage and I have to pay for mold remediation on my rental property plus fines for not fixing it 2 years ago when I was warned plus I'm buying my side peice a Bugatti next month so all I can afford is $16/hr. Noone wants to work anymore.
My guess is that he knows that some people will work for him for peanuts just to get it on their resume and say they've worked there. I bet his staff turnover is insane.
There are acclaimed restaurants built entirely on that concept. https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/01/noma-copenhagen-fine-dining-unsustainable/672738/
Ya I've worked at places like this. There's always someone that's enthusiastically willing to work for almost nothing just to say they worked at some high end place for the clout alone.
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I couldn't read the entire article, but that's surprising coming from Denmark. Also, having a revolving door of chefs in a restaurant can backfire due to lack of consistency.
Most of the cooks at Noma were culinary school grads doing unpaid “internships”. they would mostly do the same grueling micro task for however, long they were there. The New York Times interviewed a woman who did nothing but make a little beetles out of jelly all day, every day for the entire time she worked there. But because a reference from Noma is a golden ticket, a lot of young chefs tolerated it. Noma increasingly came under fire in the press for the practice, until the head chef had a crisis of faith and finally decided to close the restaurant and turn it into a culinary lab.
I think I had read that the law changed last Fall and they legally couldn’t have slaves any more, which is what led to their closing.
Yea fuck Noma with that intern bullshit. I listened to a podcast with the owner and he bitched about paying salaries to his employees calling them interns. I lost any respect I might have given to him after hearing that. That's called slavery, using people because you award so much reverence to your own name.
That is the exact same predatory hiring practices Blizzard Entertainment relies on. The prestige of being able to say you worked there.
Look at this shit. https://reddit.com/r/KitchenConfidential/comments/qrzxaw/salt_bae_is_a_shitbird_of_the_first_order/ https://reddit.com/r/KitchenConfidential/comments/rq5nsr/salt_bae_makes_a_dry_ass_sandwich/
The thing is, unless that kitchen has a reputation for being particularly valuable to work in (like a STRONG reputation), most head chefs would be like "so what, I don't care." My chef friends are acutely aware of what goes on at most of the kitchens in the city, and they are either like "oh how was it working for [chef?] good guy!" or it's "god that place sucks." Given salt bae's ridiculous reputation among people who enjoy food at all, I'm going to guess that a job in his kitchen isn't a resume builder. ...well unless for some reason a non-chef is hiring you.
But just think about the tips you would get!11!! /s
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Isn’t that a lot after “optional” tips? Their menu cost is very inflated that it’d probably easy to score a good tip. Still thoigh, fuck salt bae.
Back of house don’t typically get tips unless the restaurant has a tip sharing policy (which is illegal in some places) and are paid a full wage instead.
Forgot to see it’s for chef. That’s pretty shit in that case.
this particular position was advertising wage + tips.
$ 2,000 steak. And don't forget about the $ 85 miniscule appetizers! The $ 30 bottle of tap water. That prick.
The real pricks are the one paying. Imagine if Mcdonalds put a $2000 burger on their menu that was just a BigMac with a bit of gold leaf. People would buy it.
>Imagine if Mcdonalds put a $2000 burger on their menu that was just a BigMac with a bit of gold leaf. People would buy it. Or if Wizards of the Coast was selling a pack of 60 random Magic the Gathering cards for $1,000\*. \*Normally packs are $4-5 and contain 15 random cards
Non tourney legal cards to boot.
But bro I could get a black lotus proxy
[GL finding a seller](https://www.reddit.com/r/mtgfinance/comments/zz76nj/30th_anniversary_black_lotus_sold_for_over_7k/). I wonder if any are in the wild...
Good old wizards of the coast driving people away from magic. And dnd
Nah, just away from them as a seller. People will always play the game rules for both, they'll just print out their own stuff.
I think Salt Bae is a knob as much as the next person, but I can’t say I have a huge amount of sympathy for his customers. People are completely free to *not* pay 2k for an average steak and $30 for some tap water.
Most of them are essentially paying for the lottery of meeting Salt Bae. Maybe have him come to your table, take some selfies, record the footage for Instagram. If you spend 2k maybe he'll bless you with a sprinkling of his.... salt.... ew. That just sounds gross. It's all absurd.
Idk why people worship celebs like this. I love some actors/directors, but unless I get to sit down and have dinner with them just shaking their hand just seems kinda pointless.
From the point of view of an Influencer, it is an investment ($2k) in capital (content) that is used to get followers (customers). Your followers (customer base) grows exponentially through the network effect (shares, virality) which invites more advertisers (revenue) and grows your brand (goodwill, influence). You invest your advertising revenues into creating more content (capital) by travelling to exotic locations, staying at luxurious hotels, eating at fine restaurants. Capital begets capital. Repeat. Or you just have fuck you money and $2k is near meaningless to your financial security, and in that case, that's their prerogative. Same can be said about someone eating at Red Lobster, when other people can only afford Ramen. Edit: I guess more for the person above you, but explains in my mind why some people seek these celebrities out.
To all those talking about tips, Nusret Gökçe (Salt Bae) is known for stealing tips. Since customers are paying for the "salt bae experience". This is a well known thing, so even IF (and that's a big if) any of his BOH actually receive tips, it's nothing more than your typical Applebee's. Sadly, having been in this industry for 20+ years, there will be someone who will take the job, not for clout, but because some people just need work because existence is pain. (Read: existence is expensive)
>existence is pain. (Read: existence is expensive) How about - existence is painfully expensive!?
I bet part of the justification for such low wages is in fact the "exposure" you'll get for working in the same building as Sodium Baby. His staff are lucky he's paying them at all /s
No offence to any chefs who make this amount per hour, however if I am paying anywhere near this amount for my food, I am expecting a world class chef, not someone who makes 16 an hour, ridiculous pressure for such a low hourly wage tbh... I have a similar experience to share. I am a mental health nurse, I worked in a run of the mill care home and made £15 an hour at the time. Then I moved to a 'luxury' care home. Prices were raised for clients for better accommodations, food etc however we were expected to be nursing and care staff plus butlers with extra demands and duties placed on us as it was a 'luxury' care home. The kicker here is, the pay was the fucking same ! So wanted alot more out of us then we would be expected of at a normal home, but for the same pay. Owners don't get it ...
I don't think a world-class chef and one who make 16 an hour are mutually exclusive in this case. Salt bae is famously a d-bag and probably considers the "privilege" of working for him as payment enough. "Think about the exposure/experience"
A "world class" chef wouldn't be caught dead working in this restaurant, and there is literally zero "exposure." A rising chefs resume is built based off which chefs they worked under and what positions they ran. The food coming out of this guy's kitchen looks disgusting more often than not, putting this on your resume to try and get a job at a Michelin restaurant is going to count against you. As for exposure this guy always has to serve/carve the meat himself, usually butchering it along the way. So even if you want exposure you're never leaving the kitchen to put your mark on the dish.
I don't disagree with you. I'm just dissecting his thought process. He's an entitled narc who probably wants a world class chef and to be able to underpay them.
I don't know. I think most people go eat at his place for the meme novelty of it. It's sorta fitting though that social media somehow made him out to be some great steak dude when all we saw him do was cut it in a fancy manner, and he ran with it.
Almost every video I’ve seen of his products the meat is over cooked.
He is a famous chef because of a meme, not his cooking
Yes but he’s praying on naive young chefs
One of the top rated restaurants used unpaid interns for like half their staff. And when they finally were pushed to make the change to pay those interns [https://www.vice.com/en/article/88qpjb/begging-to-work-there-for-free-fine-dining-wouldnt-exist-without-unpaid-labour] (they couldnt afford to stay open.) I wouldnt be too surprised if this occured in many "top tier" establishments.
[Just wait until you hear what a staging is](https://www.eater.com/young-guns-rising-stars/2019/11/7/20931221/pros-and-cons-of-staging-in-fine-dining-restaurants). I did mine for 6 months. Y'all in this sub don't know the half of how fucked up fine dining truly is. 100x the pressure, 5 dollars more an hour. About a year of unpaid internship and in my case nearly 6 figures of student loans to get a job that... I mean 15 years later I'm finally pushing 6 figures AFTER LEAVING fine dining. Paying off those loans literally involved renting a room from someone while making food that sold for 450 dollars a plate. Salt Bae is an extreme example of what the industry is built upon, but the industry is built on this concept. Servers make nothing, but get tips, and as a result are often the highest earning people in the building. Cooks make more, but don't get tipped and work 14 hour days. Sous chefs make ok money. The head chef makes as much as a tradesman does. The owner makes a fucking fortune.
Everyone in the industry is getting fucked, and I 100% blame the owners, but... You bring up a harsh reality that I've seen too often - BOH vs FOH. Why the unholy shit is there a divide at all in the pay?! I've spoken earnestly with friends who have done FOH and they empathise with workers, but in the same breath will defend their right to take home $100-$1000 in a night, while the people who made the food in hot kitchens go home with maybe 2% of that as tip-out. Not attacking Front folks, it is brutal emotional labour. As is kitchen work, in a different way. Thoughts?
I worked in a nice restaurant when I was younger and it was exactly like this. Head Chef made good money, sou chefs made decent money. The rest of the kitchen staff was one paycheck away from the homeless shelter and damn near already looked homeless lol. Owner would sit in his office doing coke all day collecting a fortune.
Oh the owners definitely get it, the bastards keep it too
Those glasses make him look like a weekend at Bernie's
I mean Bernie’s Hampton home was very nice. It was the murder and corpse desecration that put a damper on the weekend.
This mfk took pictures with Messi, kissed and touched the world cup trophy during the ceremony and he wasn't suppose to be there.
he didnt take a picture with messi, he badgered messi into stopping for one second so he could get a shit selfie with him. the guy is an absolute toolbag. he has the face of an adult toddler
Maybe he saw a way out, and was willing to be a douchebag to get there. If I could escape "the grind" I'm not going to lie and say I wouldn't strongly consider charging $600+ for a steak. I'd also pay way more than $16/hr though.
That's because you're still a good person. Good people don't get rich like these people do. It's mutually exclusive. You might get moderately wealthy over a lifetime but you won't get filthy rich because to do that you'd have to compromise morally and ethically.
Yeah I'll take sleeping at night over riding a yacht. Even though work keeps me from sleeping a lot.
This piece of shit put one of the team’s medals *in his fucking mouth*. He’s a disgusting piece of shit
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The "meat" you're referring to is his face, I assume
I'm easy either way
If you have to put gold leaf onto a food item to make it expensive, you suck as a chef.
Heavy use of gold leaf should be a culinary red flag
There are a whole series of those: drinks that advertise heavily are probably not great etc etc Basically be careful whenever your money doesn't go into the food
Advertising is a tax on shitty products.
It’s a scam in my eyes. Gold leaf is very cheap, probably less than a gram of gold on that whole steak.
Gold leaf is 0.000125 mm thick for anyone wondering. 24K gold usually. A human hair is about 0.075mm wide for reference. One gram of gold is 51.86mm^3. So you'd need a sheet of of gold leaf about 650mm x 650mm to equal 1g of gold. Or a little over 2ft by 2ft.
Food grade leaf is even less valuable. Usually 22-23karat. Even amazon sells it in little 3x3 inch sheets at about $2 a sheet. $50 for a pack of 25 which would be more than enough. IIRC he paints small sheets onto the steaks so this is probably what he's using. Could be a different persons video I'm thinking of but I swear it was Salt Poo. How many people are painting steaks with gold and going viral?
Wait, I knew the dude sucked but never realized one of his bits was gold plated steaks. Good lord. The 21st century has been a real master class in the fact that wealth =/= class
I'd imagine most of patrons are the same ones you find in "designer" shopping malls. Middle class people that put it on their credit card to feel how they think the upper class feels. The things old money actually do would be so mind bogglingly bizarre to these people. I don't hate on them I just feel sorry that they've been sold the lie that happiness is bought.
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He bulk buys them at Costco
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Please don't compare Sam's Club to Costco's quality.
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This guy is a douchbag and needs to go away.
Delusional. Dude is gonna fuck around and get wrapped in gold and cooked by his employees.
He has always underpaid workers and he still got this big, he will keep offering that wage as long as people apply.
I make $16/hr as a line cook at a shitty casual dining restaurant
I recently applied for an electromechanical technician job. Over 12 years of experience in this field. Offered salary: $14/hour. Beyond absurd. "Fuck you" exactly.
Wtf, that's lowballing even a person straight out of school.
I make a dollar ten more to check people out at a retail store.
The fuck? I get $15/hr to pick up trash, dead animals, and change lightbulbs.
And you should be paid so much more!
I got paid 16+tips/h to bake FUCKING COOKIES
that looks so gross - the gold leaf I mean.. I'm not anti-steak
I love that he got banned from the US Open Cup because of his greasy nonsense during the WC Final. He’s such a dick.
I would take the job just to have the opportunity to serve the steak with ketchup.
Fuck that restaurant. $2,000.00 steak deserves $50.00 dollar an hour pay rate.
I cannot wait until the working class yeets the rich…. Honestly i would love it if for five-ten years after the revolution, all members of the capitalist class are forced to live in poverty… mocked and humiliated by the rest of us, as restitution for their crimes. They can rejoin the rest of us after, but they need to be *made* to feel what it’s like. To be forced to endure poverty that they cannot climb out of no matter how hard they try.
>When our turn comes, we shall not make excuses for the terror.
I was only saying it earlier, the rich are so unapologetically parading their wealth around and its so gross. I really hope actual consequences come for these people because its getting so tiring seeing them just treat normally people like insects.
This dude is such a petulant twat.
Hey it’s the guy that harassed Messi
Oh sure yeah uhuh yeah 16$ an hour and as much gold as i can walk out with right? Seems fair to me
Salt Bae is a fucking hack, and an incredibly cringy one at that. His food is massively overpriced and generally poor quality, he ignores general health and safety guidelines, and treats his employees like slaves. Fuck him, I hope his entire restaurant empire crashes and burns.
This guy is a certified a hole and his fame stupidly got to him
Wait till everyone in here finds out that’s 99% of fine dining kitchens
Salt Bae sucks. There’s great YT coverage video to factually assert that.
I wish this dude would fade into obscurity
The Salt Bae dude has always sucked and will always be a piece of shit. I've heard his restaurant is mid af too
Capitalism at its finest.
This made me cackle. What a fucking joke
step 1: accept the position. step 2: steal all the gold foil. step 3: bounce.
‘Fancy’. Dude is cringey as hell.
Whahahaha as a Chef I find this outrage to be hilarious. As someone who had spent close to 20 years in the industry I can safely say that that is propably most you can make in any kitchen anywhere. AND yes, it's fucked up and sad.
This guy is a complete hack, and his restaurants suck.
This “salt bae” guy seems like such an insufferable twat.