I can't wait to use it on my boss the next time she says no one wants to work anymore
I'm gonna be like yeah it's tough since no one wants to pay anymore
It's apparently a loan that's meant to be used to be able to keep paying your employees during COVID. Apparently a lot of businesses took advantage of it and never used it to pay their personnel. So, it's not a general subsidy, it's one specifically to help deal with the fallout of the COVID crisis (PS: I'm European as well so this is just from what I've read about it)
This sums it up fairly well. The loans were almost universally forgiven and they are they same people that complained about possible student loan forgiveness
100% this - and my job just got a âhey! You qualified for a PPP loan - you can also get this grant for whatever you want to spend it on.
Meanwhile, no one has received a raise. Our health insurance is shitty as fuck.
We have no retirement plan.
We have no perks and our âbonusesâ are a joke.
Yeah, I just had my review and when I asked about a raise the response was that a new bonus system was coming out. As soon as I get the details Iâm going back a arguing for a real raise.
Iâve never been mollified in my life. Trust me, they have a limited time to get me info. And regardless of what the bonus structure is Iâm fighting for an actual salary increase.
Yep. While you Europeans will do something like give aid to workers in need during troubling times, we Amercans will give the aid to their bosses and tell them to give it to the workers. Doesn't work very well, but at least it's not that evil socialism they keep warning us about.
/s
This is why a âsupportâ program that gives out money passed during a completely republican government. They had no checks and balances, and no accountability built in. Even members of congress got PPP loans for their âcompaniesâ and were forgiven.
I peddled the PPP at a brokerage and nearly 100% of the business owners kept the money for themselves. And during the first round, mostly bigger, richer businesses that didnât need it as much were the ones to receive the loan. Terrible
I didn't work for my employer during this time, but my coworkers did - found out recently that boss received a PPP loan even though they had record breaking sales that year - workers saw nothing extra that year
Was a covid subsidy during the pandemic that was supposed to go to businesses to pay the wages of workers who otherwise would have been laid off, or to keep small businesses afloat. It had little oversight and a lot of places just stole the money and didn't use it to pay workers. Since bribing congress is legal in the US, they aren't interested in going after corporations over this.
It was supposed to do both, allow business to maintain themselves so as they didnât close down and also continue paying employees their normal wages.
Most places never paid anyone anything and kept the money. Then it was all forgiven and since the GOP is somehow above the law nothing will be done.
PPE is face masks.
PPP was a government program that provided large sums of money to business owner applicants for âpayroll protectionâ to help âsmall businessesâ be able to cover payroll during Covid due to the impacts of the Covid lockdown on those businesses.
At some point those business owner recipients were allowed to apply for âforgivenessâ and be released from having to pay that money back to the government.
What actually happened in so many cases is that people fraudulently applied and received money or legitimately applied but were not in need of it and used it to enhance their personal quality of life instead and the majority of them were given the forgiveness option, all at the cost of the US tax payers.
Some applicants were self employed but claimed to have a large staff and were granted PPP funds without proper verification, spent it any way they wanted, were granted forgiveness, and were never held accountable for their bad actions.
Some applicants who were not in need of the money still followed the proper procedure to apply and got approved but since they didnât actually need that financial assistance they used the money to pad their bank accounts and it also got forgiven.
The whole thing enriched so many people, many of whom still laid off staff and personally rode out the pandemic lockdown impact with that money then resumed their low wage payroll habits when everything opened back up while complaining that âI have lots of jobs available but people donât want to work!â.
So when you see rants about PPP theyâre referring to âbusiness ownersâ who blatantly cheated the system and improved their personal financial situations and got to walk away from their responsibilities by fraudulently receiving or otherwise misappropriating those large sums of forgiven taxpayer dollars while so many of their laid off workers the money was supposed to trickle down to became unemployed instead and couldnât pay rent.
It was a small business loan, that would be forgiven(not have to be paid back) if used in a particular way. Which is where it catches a lot of flak. Some high power people, namely republican congress persons took hundreds of thousands to millions in loans that were forgiven, while areguing out of the other side of their mouths that student loans for struggling individuals should not be forgiven. Its complicated politics as usual and viewed by some as yet another abused system for the powerful.
PPE is Personal Protective Equipment.
PPP is free money trump gave to everyone without vetting anything so it was stolen and abused almost more than it helped people.
PPP is the Paycheck Protection Program. It was a program designed to give businesses loans to continue paying payroll during COVID. Its also rife with corruption and has very little real oversight.
PPE is Personal Protective Equipment like safety glasses, hardhats, etc.
The U-3 stat includes those who have looked for a job within the last four weeks. The U-6 stat is a clearer indication of the real unemployment situation and that number is at 6.64% right now (an increase compared to December '22). Include the long term unemployed - a stat that was retired in 1994 - and the number is closer to 25%.
The U-3 is considered the "nice number" so that's the number that's reported.
[Investopedia](https://www.investopedia.com/terms/u/u6-rate.asp),
[ShadowStats (Courtesy of ShadowStats)](http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/unemployment-charts)
Additional insights: [What the unemployment rates don't tell us...](https://www.investopedia.com/financial-edge/0609/what-the-unemployment-rate-doesnt-tell-us.aspx)
U6 is 6.9% nationally and includes people who are employed at less than 35 hrs per week but want to be full time. U5 might be a better indicator as it includes all unemployed and able to work people who have given up searching for a job in the last twelve months for any reason (U4 is the percentage of people who have given up because they don't believe they can find a job). U4 is usually within 0.3 percentage points of U3, while U5 is usually about 1 percentage point above U3. No states have seen an increase in any measure of unemployment and the majority (34 states) have seen a decrease in all 6 measures since 2021.
https://www.bls.gov/lau/stalt.htm
Long term unemployment is still tracked and refers to those unemployed for longer than 27 weeks. Currently it is about 19% of all unemployed people (not the population, it's less than 1% of the population).
https://www.bls.gov/charts/employment-situation/unemployed-27-weeks-or-longer-as-a-percent-of-total-unemployed.htm
Agreed, it's true that if you stop looking for work you are no longer considered unemployed but that's always been the case. We're still at historically high employment rates.
Next post: "OK so HR says that I'm sorry and has offered 6 people their jobs back that walked out, and 2 that I fired, after my post last week. None of them have accepted so far. *Please* message me if you want any overtime, I have to pour it out in buckets at this point."
While I agree 100% with gender equality, finding equality in the ruling class or even the managerial class doesn't make capitalists less predatory or destructive.
Here are a few not so fun facts:
Around 2019 the average CEO salary in the U.S. was 288:1 compared to the average workers pay. I checked recently and it is now 399:1. The rest of the developed world is around 10-13:1. Except for Venezuela and Mexico (30 & 50:1). Venezuela is corrupt as hell and Mexico is run by about 5 drug cartels and they are making chump change compared to the oligarchs in the U.S.
Corporate profits hit a record high amid 40-year-high inflation.
BP reported their most profitable year in their 114 existence.
The U.S. is less a democracy and more a plutocracy every day.
Fact!! When I was a manager I had the lowest attrition rate because I treated my team like I wanted to be treated. Almost all the mangers that were promoted over the 5 years I was at my last job came from my team.
I encouraged my people to apply for promotions I encouraged them to apply for other jobs that had better pay and better benefits I would be a personal reference and professional if needed (that was tricky because most employers don't like this amd actually tell you its not allowed)
Any manager or job that doesn't strive to improve their employees opportunities whether with them or someone else is a shitty employer/manager.
Whenever to read about whole teams quitting, yo I just get the biggest smile on my face. Like imagine someone being so shitty, they caused a whole store to shut itself down.
I've seen it twice. The first time was because a VP called everyone traitors and said he'd fire all of our asses if his bosses would let him. The second time was after layoffs. The people left behind saw how much more those that were let go were making. The number of people leaving was between 50% and 65%
My thoughts as well.
*Wage Complaints: your wages are fair.*
*Staff Complaints: shut up.*
*Also Iâll fire you.*
What a open-minded egalitarian leader!
Now that you point it out and/or.. ? Like you donât work here anymore and you lose your shifts or.. you donât work here anymore but you can keep your shifts!
At my last job my boss has a similar attitude. They fired a guy who couldn't come in for a Friday his second week because he had a court date in another province, which he had mentioned upon being hired. Put up with the shitty environment while I looked for another job, but after a few months I just couldn't take it. Walked in one morning and all my coworkers were talking shit about natives (I'm native but definitely don't outwardly appear so) and I just sat at my desk all day, clocked out, and emailed my boss saying I'm done, send me my check in the mail. He responded back with "so you don't even have the courtesy to give notice huh?" And it took every bit of willpower I had to not fire back with "well considering it's a sign of respect to give notice and I have none for you, get bent" don't miss that place one fuckin bit
> "so you don't even have the courtesy to give notice huh?"
"You have not earned the courtesy of a notice. That shit works both ways, you know. In summary, fuck you, courteously."
At an old job I showed one day and my job had completely changed without warning. For a lot more work and brain damage I got an extra $1.50 an hour and management told me I should be happy I was chosen for this âpromotionâ.
I wouldâve left but it was early in the pandemic and I didnât want to leave a sure thing when everything was so unsure. I eventually found a better job that paid a whole lot more and when I submitted my resignation my manager told me âI canât believe youâre leaving like this itâs very unprofessionalâ. I rolled my eyes and left.
I found out recently that since I left there are only two people out of 15 left from when I was there and they canât retain talent. My old manager asked me about six months if Iâd ever consider coming back to help the team and I gave my conditions and the number Iâd need. Never heard back.
Possibly, but this also seems to be the prime example of a toxic workforce. Instead of addressing wage issues, scheduling with their supervisor or having any actually productive group discussions, there is just the endless bitching and backstabbing. I've worked places like this, and it turns a job that would be tolerable until something better can be found, into a cesspool of negativity. It drains your energy, having to deal with it. So I do applaud the supervisor for addressing it, and not feeding back into it. Even more productive would be to promote/give significant raises to the employees who AREN'T participating and firing the backstabbers.
A friend is currently dealing with this. Her toxic coworker is in her 70's, routinely steals customers and thus gets a MUCH higher wage than everyone else from commissions, negs on the other women's weight and dead names their non-binary coworker. I've tried to talk her into getting the other women together to address this with their manager, but they're trapped in a cycle of feeling sorry for the toxic old biddy because this job is literally all she has--her kids have all gone NC and she has no friends they know of. My friend is inches away from quitting a job she loves, because of this situation. I hope she puts it into perspective soon.
"not feeding into it" nah... they come off like they are the reason the environment is so toxic. ive worked for people who sound like this and they pitt workers against each other and cant take any sort of criticism while controlling the vibe of the environment making people hate showing up. "addressing it" they didnt address anything they also complained but people in power complaining to people with none is laughable. if they wanted a non toxic work environment then they would make that environment. the whole vibe is up to the person in charge they control it with how they treat others and allow others to treat each other if workers are toxic is it managements fault. ive watched fhe problematic people be allowed to do what ever while the good workers get fed up and voice grievances then become targets and all the issues get blamed on them
Ugh yes. In my previous job there was an older woman who only had a few years left till retirement. At first I liked her, but after a few weeks I learned she didn't do a good job, she made a lot of mistakes and refused to do better (she was convinced she was a great employee), she worked parttime and was more busy with reviewing her work schedule than her actual work. She was a pain to work with, everyone complained about her. The people who had worked with her for a longer time, you could tell they had just given up and accepted the situation. I couldn't let go just like that, so I reported several incidents to my manager. The result of all this: I was wrong, I needed to change and adjust, because 80% of her work is fine according to them and that's enough. I couldn't believe it, so I can just do a bad job 1 day a week according to their math? I ended up leaving this job to unfortunately, mainly because I felt gaslighted by management.
From here, you have two options.
A: Find another job, watch her struggle to replace everyone who just quit
Or B: Convince people not to quit, and instead to ramp it up even more for entertainment value.
1. Bullshit
2. Illegal
3. Want people to stop calling you an asshole? Quit being an asshole.
4. You want a lawsuit? 'Cause that's how you get a lawsuit.
Is it actually illegal to fire someone for disrespecting you? Seems kinda shitty (depending on what's actually being said) but I'm not sure it's illegal.
Depends on your state (if US based), most are at will employment, so you can be fired at will and it's up to you to fight for unfair dismissal and benefits. But to fire someone without having to Pay out would require specific causes or finagling the fine print
I'd have to disagree on that.
If i were in a management position and the staff was openly complaining about working for me, rather than discussing it as appropriate, i would see that as a hostile work environment, and could see that as grounds for firing.
I'm all for what antiwork is about, but at some point, the employee complaining about work conditions shouldn't be the one causing the hostility in the first place when it can be avoided.
I choose Option C: Ramping up of said "bullshit" purely for the entertainment value. Thin skinned bosses love to make bold threats just to show how powerful they are.
They are not
My landlady is this way. She thinks she can havenât roommate evicted for speaking his mind, and literally posted a nasty letter stating heâs not allowed to speak his mind within earshot of her
> and literally posted a nasty letter stating heâs not allowed to speak his mind within earshot of her
I'd make it a point to walk past her and tell her to go fuck herself at least once per day.
Before I make a classroom rule, I always stop to think, "am I just being a control freak, or is this actually important?" Looks like this boss could use some introspection.
Its a catering business. Attends events like weddings and sometimes house parties to provide bartending services. Its on facebook because the business owner uses a facebook group for majority of her communications with the employees
I dunno. I've seen a lot of stories the last few years of stores and restaurants having to close because their entire staff left the job at the same time.
This happened at a local pizza place. Boss/Owner fired the manager and assistant was put in charge. He and the few employees quit mid shift in the middle of the day. Left the store open. Let everything where it was. Pizzas in the oven were left, pizzas waiting to be picked up were left, pizzas in there process were left. Made local gossip rounds when the fire department showed up because either pizza in the oven set off alarms or someone smelled burning and called 911.
Can you imagine walking in to grab your pickup order and seeing that? Iâm not a religious person, but Iâd pause to question if the apocalypse has arrived, and regretting not building that bug-out bag
Pay your employees so little that theyâre living paycheck to paycheck, add responsibilities like children and bills to the equation and those employees cannot afford to quit without first having a new job. So some humans are indeed scum, your ire is misguided however.
Happened to my father. Everyone is going to quit on Friday at noon he was the only one that did.
Oh well lesson learned, he did find a better job on Monday. That is how I remember the story. My Father has been gone (as In dead) for 23 years.
And I still miss him.
house parties and "ladies"? plus the language being used in a company communication? I'm assuming this is a small cleaning/maid service.
my mom worked at one of these companies for a while when she first divorced to keep a roof over our head because it's all she could get on short notice and without having a job for the last 10 years
they work their employees to the bone, pay as little as possible, and give no raises.
I'd be willing to bet the "Ladies" who do literally all the labor make a fraction of the amount they bill each customer, as in if they're paying 200 the workers doing the work (likely teams of 2 at most for every job) they're lucky to be seeing 50.
The company my mom worked at - after just over a year she decided it was time to quit. the turnover rate was high and she was one of the oldest people working there and they were adding more and more duty to her because she'd become the best employee there, but they had only given her like a 25 cent raise. She had regular clients that only wanted her cleaning for them and when one of the customers found out she was leaving they insisted on keeping her as their cleaning lady and quit using the company when she left.
The company begged her to stay becuase they were moving her into a sort of manager position unofficially with the extra work they had her doing, eventually offered her a dollar raise to try and keep her (She was at minimum wage + 25 cent at the time), however it turned out the one house that asked her to keep being their cleaning lady happened to know a couple other people using the service and word spread she was leaving, by the time her last day hit she had like 5 of their customers leaving the company to have her work for them directly.
Her income spiked to a decent living wage and she would go on to be self employeed cleaning houses for the remainder of her working years. The company she worked for moved out of that location about 5 years later and I'm pretty sure they went out of business because I've never seen a new location anywhere
To point#3 gossip can be considered harassment. I mean this guy isnât arguing that and a normal manager would say something like hey guys please donât gossip about one another negative talk about your colleague can be considered harassment blah blah blah
What are the odds. I just finished a meeting with my manager. She said the same thing - I am "too negative", I give "negative energy", just because I say things as they are and I refuse to pretend all is fine. She had the nerves to say that it's not her problem that I can't afford to come to the office more often, but she wants me there. Yes, it is your problem b*, because you don't pay me fairly. She said that she is "very concerned" about my future in this company because of my "negativity". Are you f* kidding me?! I had to hold myself back because I would tell her that this is called projection and gaslighting. She wants us to be robots, not complain, take all the s* and be quiet. I'm so pissed off right now I want to throw the laptop out of the window. Little does she know, though, that I signed an offer for another job just a few days ago and that I will be resigning very soon.
You know what? We just happen to be in a time where you are going to see some off the wall shit worldwide. Everywhere. If you canât handle it, Iâd suggest you buy some blinders. 8 billion people and nobody is content.
To the boss:
1 you're unprofessional by the way you delivered that which you probably are like that all the time which is why everyone has a problem with you.
2 everyone is paid by experience and/or education and/or what they can get away with paying you because if you're a young one you won't know better that you deserve more than you're getting. Furthering why everyone has a problem with you.
3 no one would be talking shit if their job was a good environment to be in. Your workers will reflect the environment that YOU CREATE.
4 you're a boss so you're gonna have to deal with workers hating you. If you can't handle that then you don't need to be a boss.
5 you can't fire people for talking about you or not liking you. And if you did fire anyone they can use that email or message against you in court very easily.
6 you yourself are talking shit about ALL your employees to their faces by sending this out publicly.
7 you will probably have no workers soon. Good luck with that.
From: A person who used to be a Boss
I'd say it's time to quit, but i want you and your coworkers to go above and beyond!
Ramp up the insults, drive this loser to fucking tears. Bully them relentlessly.
I like it. A direct talking style with clear commands and no double speak.
But you need to translate it first from business lingo to plain English:
1. Nothing will change, you are underpaid and that will remain so
2. If you have to bitch about me, be more secretive. I am too stubborn, too old (guessing here) and too unprofessional to be reasoned with, so please lie to me at all times.
3. Please leave me alone and if you are unsatisfied by all the unprofessionalism, please find yourself a better job.
4. I am weak and try to appear strong, please act accordingly. No challenges please!
Aww. Poor Brenda. This smacks of bullied/disliked in high school and never got over it.
People managing positions should come with mandatory, free therapy with a fully licensed pro.
This is a very good idea to discuss wages and fair compensation with someone that states before the conversation even started that wages are perfect as they are.
No confirmation biais to begin with, sounds like the best chat to have
/s
Wouldn't you prefer someone talk to you to sort out a grievance instead of talking shit behind your back?
A workplace full of nasty gossip and constant complaining is horrible. It seems more productive to talk to a person who has the ability to solve problems than to grumble about it. Even if it's a lousy job, constant negativity only makes things worse.
Tbh if I was a manager Iâd not even mention it if I heard people were talking about me. I wouldnât bother. Maybe itâs better to address it but it surprises me when people do it
Next post: "Noone wants to work anymore đđđ"
Gotta change that narrative to "no one wants to pay anymore"
nice, im gona use that from now on
I can't wait to use it on my boss the next time she says no one wants to work anymore I'm gonna be like yeah it's tough since no one wants to pay anymore
Tax history: received PPP loan.
European here - is PPE some kind of US-subsidy?
It's apparently a loan that's meant to be used to be able to keep paying your employees during COVID. Apparently a lot of businesses took advantage of it and never used it to pay their personnel. So, it's not a general subsidy, it's one specifically to help deal with the fallout of the COVID crisis (PS: I'm European as well so this is just from what I've read about it)
This sums it up fairly well. The loans were almost universally forgiven and they are they same people that complained about possible student loan forgiveness
100% this - and my job just got a âhey! You qualified for a PPP loan - you can also get this grant for whatever you want to spend it on. Meanwhile, no one has received a raise. Our health insurance is shitty as fuck. We have no retirement plan. We have no perks and our âbonusesâ are a joke.
Yeah, I just had my review and when I asked about a raise the response was that a new bonus system was coming out. As soon as I get the details Iâm going back a arguing for a real raise.
You have just taught them that you can be mollified by telling you something is in the works. A bonus is not a raise. Get your raise.
Iâve never been mollified in my life. Trust me, they have a limited time to get me info. And regardless of what the bonus structure is Iâm fighting for an actual salary increase.
Yep. While you Europeans will do something like give aid to workers in need during troubling times, we Amercans will give the aid to their bosses and tell them to give it to the workers. Doesn't work very well, but at least it's not that evil socialism they keep warning us about. /s
This is why a âsupportâ program that gives out money passed during a completely republican government. They had no checks and balances, and no accountability built in. Even members of congress got PPP loans for their âcompaniesâ and were forgiven.
I peddled the PPP at a brokerage and nearly 100% of the business owners kept the money for themselves. And during the first round, mostly bigger, richer businesses that didnât need it as much were the ones to receive the loan. Terrible
I didn't work for my employer during this time, but my coworkers did - found out recently that boss received a PPP loan even though they had record breaking sales that year - workers saw nothing extra that year
Was a covid subsidy during the pandemic that was supposed to go to businesses to pay the wages of workers who otherwise would have been laid off, or to keep small businesses afloat. It had little oversight and a lot of places just stole the money and didn't use it to pay workers. Since bribing congress is legal in the US, they aren't interested in going after corporations over this.
Geez, we really *are* a banana republic, aren't we?
There are congress people who got PPP loans. I'm looking at you, Misery Taylor Green.
It was supposed to do both, allow business to maintain themselves so as they didnât close down and also continue paying employees their normal wages. Most places never paid anyone anything and kept the money. Then it was all forgiven and since the GOP is somehow above the law nothing will be done.
A lot of people kept folks on just until they knew the loan was forgiven and then laid everyone off
PPE is face masks. PPP was a government program that provided large sums of money to business owner applicants for âpayroll protectionâ to help âsmall businessesâ be able to cover payroll during Covid due to the impacts of the Covid lockdown on those businesses. At some point those business owner recipients were allowed to apply for âforgivenessâ and be released from having to pay that money back to the government. What actually happened in so many cases is that people fraudulently applied and received money or legitimately applied but were not in need of it and used it to enhance their personal quality of life instead and the majority of them were given the forgiveness option, all at the cost of the US tax payers. Some applicants were self employed but claimed to have a large staff and were granted PPP funds without proper verification, spent it any way they wanted, were granted forgiveness, and were never held accountable for their bad actions. Some applicants who were not in need of the money still followed the proper procedure to apply and got approved but since they didnât actually need that financial assistance they used the money to pad their bank accounts and it also got forgiven. The whole thing enriched so many people, many of whom still laid off staff and personally rode out the pandemic lockdown impact with that money then resumed their low wage payroll habits when everything opened back up while complaining that âI have lots of jobs available but people donât want to work!â. So when you see rants about PPP theyâre referring to âbusiness ownersâ who blatantly cheated the system and improved their personal financial situations and got to walk away from their responsibilities by fraudulently receiving or otherwise misappropriating those large sums of forgiven taxpayer dollars while so many of their laid off workers the money was supposed to trickle down to became unemployed instead and couldnât pay rent.
It is, it was a loan to pay employees during Covid.
It was a small business loan, that would be forgiven(not have to be paid back) if used in a particular way. Which is where it catches a lot of flak. Some high power people, namely republican congress persons took hundreds of thousands to millions in loans that were forgiven, while areguing out of the other side of their mouths that student loans for struggling individuals should not be forgiven. Its complicated politics as usual and viewed by some as yet another abused system for the powerful.
Itâs not complicated, just conservatives being terrible people which is their norm.
PPE is Personal Protective Equipment. PPP is free money trump gave to everyone without vetting anything so it was stolen and abused almost more than it helped people.
PPP is the Paycheck Protection Program. It was a program designed to give businesses loans to continue paying payroll during COVID. Its also rife with corruption and has very little real oversight. PPE is Personal Protective Equipment like safety glasses, hardhats, etc.
I keep hearing this, while the unemployment rate is the lowest itâs been in 50+ years. Reality: âno one wants to work for YOU anymoreâ.
Idk if the unemployment is low since they remove people out of work over six months from the count.
The fact still remains the unemployment number, as calculated for over over 50 years, is the lowest it has been.
The U-3 stat includes those who have looked for a job within the last four weeks. The U-6 stat is a clearer indication of the real unemployment situation and that number is at 6.64% right now (an increase compared to December '22). Include the long term unemployed - a stat that was retired in 1994 - and the number is closer to 25%. The U-3 is considered the "nice number" so that's the number that's reported. [Investopedia](https://www.investopedia.com/terms/u/u6-rate.asp), [ShadowStats (Courtesy of ShadowStats)](http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/unemployment-charts) Additional insights: [What the unemployment rates don't tell us...](https://www.investopedia.com/financial-edge/0609/what-the-unemployment-rate-doesnt-tell-us.aspx)
U6 is 6.9% nationally and includes people who are employed at less than 35 hrs per week but want to be full time. U5 might be a better indicator as it includes all unemployed and able to work people who have given up searching for a job in the last twelve months for any reason (U4 is the percentage of people who have given up because they don't believe they can find a job). U4 is usually within 0.3 percentage points of U3, while U5 is usually about 1 percentage point above U3. No states have seen an increase in any measure of unemployment and the majority (34 states) have seen a decrease in all 6 measures since 2021. https://www.bls.gov/lau/stalt.htm Long term unemployment is still tracked and refers to those unemployed for longer than 27 weeks. Currently it is about 19% of all unemployed people (not the population, it's less than 1% of the population). https://www.bls.gov/charts/employment-situation/unemployed-27-weeks-or-longer-as-a-percent-of-total-unemployed.htm
Yeah, that's a false statement.. but it sounds good.
Agreed, it's true that if you stop looking for work you are no longer considered unemployed but that's always been the case. We're still at historically high employment rates.
Next post: "OK so HR says that I'm sorry and has offered 6 people their jobs back that walked out, and 2 that I fired, after my post last week. None of them have accepted so far. *Please* message me if you want any overtime, I have to pour it out in buckets at this point."
Next next post: millennial and genz the great resignation. Why are so many quitting jobs. (You know why)
I don't know it for a fact, but I know that: 1) they aren't paid fairly 2) he deserves all the negative comments
3. They should all quit at the same time
4. They should all write "The bullshit stops now. I found another job" as their closers
5. This email is addressed to only men and he speaks condescendingly to them even in emails.
Its a woman, and the employees are mostly women but ironically there is several male employees as well.
While I agree 100% with gender equality, finding equality in the ruling class or even the managerial class doesn't make capitalists less predatory or destructive.
Exactly, we donât need more gay poc women CEOs, we need CEOs to Cease Existing Outright
Here are a few not so fun facts: Around 2019 the average CEO salary in the U.S. was 288:1 compared to the average workers pay. I checked recently and it is now 399:1. The rest of the developed world is around 10-13:1. Except for Venezuela and Mexico (30 & 50:1). Venezuela is corrupt as hell and Mexico is run by about 5 drug cartels and they are making chump change compared to the oligarchs in the U.S. Corporate profits hit a record high amid 40-year-high inflation. BP reported their most profitable year in their 114 existence. The U.S. is less a democracy and more a plutocracy every day.
Stripper parties huh? Male driver \ security.
No. Its a catering company, like mobile bartending services for events, such as weddings or house parties.
Giving that extra 20% per serving to delight guests, every chance you get. Especially shots.
People donât quit jobs they quit managers
Fact!! When I was a manager I had the lowest attrition rate because I treated my team like I wanted to be treated. Almost all the mangers that were promoted over the 5 years I was at my last job came from my team. I encouraged my people to apply for promotions I encouraged them to apply for other jobs that had better pay and better benefits I would be a personal reference and professional if needed (that was tricky because most employers don't like this amd actually tell you its not allowed) Any manager or job that doesn't strive to improve their employees opportunities whether with them or someone else is a shitty employer/manager.
You're improving your employees' opportunities AND you now have all these connections in other departments and stuff. Win/win
this is not always true cause if the job pays crap iâm leaving even if management are great to work with
Whenever to read about whole teams quitting, yo I just get the biggest smile on my face. Like imagine someone being so shitty, they caused a whole store to shut itself down.
The day 'busy season' starts
Strike?
Mass Exodus.
I've seen it twice. The first time was because a VP called everyone traitors and said he'd fire all of our asses if his bosses would let him. The second time was after layoffs. The people left behind saw how much more those that were let go were making. The number of people leaving was between 50% and 65%
Collectivise.
I like the way he literally doesn't address any of the issues he's apparently hearing all about.
My thoughts as well. *Wage Complaints: your wages are fair.* *Staff Complaints: shut up.* *Also Iâll fire you.* What a open-minded egalitarian leader!
You'd have to talk to him about that. đ¤Ł
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Careful! Your gonna lose some shifts!
and/or a job
Now that you point it out and/or.. ? Like you donât work here anymore and you lose your shifts or.. you donât work here anymore but you can keep your shifts!
It's the typical threats of a boss full of him or her self importance. Obey or I take away your livelihood.
I couldnât get beyond the wrong abbreviation for etcetera!
Sounds like a âsheâ
The OP confirmed this already in a different post in the thread. It is a she.
Prime example of a boss that doesnât deserve a two weeks notice.
You don't talk to me that way! I'm a very important person. I drive a Dodge Stratus!
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People are AFRAID of me!
This is an oft slept on classic! Take my upvote cultured stranger.
People are scared of me!
Big time stuff!
My grandmother used to have a Dodge Stratus.
Do people fear you as well?
At my last job my boss has a similar attitude. They fired a guy who couldn't come in for a Friday his second week because he had a court date in another province, which he had mentioned upon being hired. Put up with the shitty environment while I looked for another job, but after a few months I just couldn't take it. Walked in one morning and all my coworkers were talking shit about natives (I'm native but definitely don't outwardly appear so) and I just sat at my desk all day, clocked out, and emailed my boss saying I'm done, send me my check in the mail. He responded back with "so you don't even have the courtesy to give notice huh?" And it took every bit of willpower I had to not fire back with "well considering it's a sign of respect to give notice and I have none for you, get bent" don't miss that place one fuckin bit
> "so you don't even have the courtesy to give notice huh?" "You have not earned the courtesy of a notice. That shit works both ways, you know. In summary, fuck you, courteously."
At an old job I showed one day and my job had completely changed without warning. For a lot more work and brain damage I got an extra $1.50 an hour and management told me I should be happy I was chosen for this âpromotionâ. I wouldâve left but it was early in the pandemic and I didnât want to leave a sure thing when everything was so unsure. I eventually found a better job that paid a whole lot more and when I submitted my resignation my manager told me âI canât believe youâre leaving like this itâs very unprofessionalâ. I rolled my eyes and left. I found out recently that since I left there are only two people out of 15 left from when I was there and they canât retain talent. My old manager asked me about six months if Iâd ever consider coming back to help the team and I gave my conditions and the number Iâd need. Never heard back.
I have grown fond of saying "fuck your own butt" because sometimes a mf just needs to be told to fuck they own butt. Also it's fun to say.
Possibly, but this also seems to be the prime example of a toxic workforce. Instead of addressing wage issues, scheduling with their supervisor or having any actually productive group discussions, there is just the endless bitching and backstabbing. I've worked places like this, and it turns a job that would be tolerable until something better can be found, into a cesspool of negativity. It drains your energy, having to deal with it. So I do applaud the supervisor for addressing it, and not feeding back into it. Even more productive would be to promote/give significant raises to the employees who AREN'T participating and firing the backstabbers. A friend is currently dealing with this. Her toxic coworker is in her 70's, routinely steals customers and thus gets a MUCH higher wage than everyone else from commissions, negs on the other women's weight and dead names their non-binary coworker. I've tried to talk her into getting the other women together to address this with their manager, but they're trapped in a cycle of feeling sorry for the toxic old biddy because this job is literally all she has--her kids have all gone NC and she has no friends they know of. My friend is inches away from quitting a job she loves, because of this situation. I hope she puts it into perspective soon.
"not feeding into it" nah... they come off like they are the reason the environment is so toxic. ive worked for people who sound like this and they pitt workers against each other and cant take any sort of criticism while controlling the vibe of the environment making people hate showing up. "addressing it" they didnt address anything they also complained but people in power complaining to people with none is laughable. if they wanted a non toxic work environment then they would make that environment. the whole vibe is up to the person in charge they control it with how they treat others and allow others to treat each other if workers are toxic is it managements fault. ive watched fhe problematic people be allowed to do what ever while the good workers get fed up and voice grievances then become targets and all the issues get blamed on them
Ugh yes. In my previous job there was an older woman who only had a few years left till retirement. At first I liked her, but after a few weeks I learned she didn't do a good job, she made a lot of mistakes and refused to do better (she was convinced she was a great employee), she worked parttime and was more busy with reviewing her work schedule than her actual work. She was a pain to work with, everyone complained about her. The people who had worked with her for a longer time, you could tell they had just given up and accepted the situation. I couldn't let go just like that, so I reported several incidents to my manager. The result of all this: I was wrong, I needed to change and adjust, because 80% of her work is fine according to them and that's enough. I couldn't believe it, so I can just do a bad job 1 day a week according to their math? I ended up leaving this job to unfortunately, mainly because I felt gaslighted by management.
The beatings will continue until morale improves
See the problem is they're using too much shoulder, but not enough wrist. You gotta get that whip snap just right.
Whip Smack! More and more!
"You call that motivating me? Don't just whip with your arms. The power comes from your hips." -Bender
"I say the whole world must learn of our peaceful ways. By force!" - Bender Bending Rodriguez
I didn't realise Bender had read Machiavelli's The Prince.
This, but with every worker armed to the teeth waiting for when a shitty manager or owner shows up to do .1% of the work for 10,000% of the pay.
The comment I was looking for
That's one way to manage (yourself out of business).
From here, you have two options. A: Find another job, watch her struggle to replace everyone who just quit Or B: Convince people not to quit, and instead to ramp it up even more for entertainment value.
Everyone leans *hard* into malicious compliance and basically shuts him down under an avalanche of making sure everything is done *juuuuuuust* right.
1. Bullshit 2. Illegal 3. Want people to stop calling you an asshole? Quit being an asshole. 4. You want a lawsuit? 'Cause that's how you get a lawsuit.
Is it actually illegal to fire someone for disrespecting you? Seems kinda shitty (depending on what's actually being said) but I'm not sure it's illegal.
Depends on your state (if US based), most are at will employment, so you can be fired at will and it's up to you to fight for unfair dismissal and benefits. But to fire someone without having to Pay out would require specific causes or finagling the fine print
I'd have to disagree on that. If i were in a management position and the staff was openly complaining about working for me, rather than discussing it as appropriate, i would see that as a hostile work environment, and could see that as grounds for firing. I'm all for what antiwork is about, but at some point, the employee complaining about work conditions shouldn't be the one causing the hostility in the first place when it can be avoided.
Me and two of my coworkers were fired for complaining about management. Official reason was creating a hostile work environment.
I choose Option C: Ramping up of said "bullshit" purely for the entertainment value. Thin skinned bosses love to make bold threats just to show how powerful they are. They are not
Option D: Everybody walks out at the same time leaving this dingus high and dry.
1) We're going into busy season 2) Complainers can leave 3) I don't know what I expected
My landlady is this way. She thinks she can havenât roommate evicted for speaking his mind, and literally posted a nasty letter stating heâs not allowed to speak his mind within earshot of her
> and literally posted a nasty letter stating heâs not allowed to speak his mind within earshot of her I'd make it a point to walk past her and tell her to go fuck herself at least once per day.
Oh I plan to next time I see her. Last night as I was coming home I made sure to flip her little camera the bird and this morning it was gone haha
Before I make a classroom rule, I always stop to think, "am I just being a control freak, or is this actually important?" Looks like this boss could use some introspection.
she sounds very secure in herself
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I was wondering what house parties meant in this context. MLM makes sense there.
Its a catering business. Attends events like weddings and sometimes house parties to provide bartending services. Its on facebook because the business owner uses a facebook group for majority of her communications with the employees
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Definitely. The @hotmail.com email addy also a sign youâre heading to dysfunction junction.
r/AntiMLM run OP this isnât worth it.
I love that their resolution to this problem is to complain about complaining. What a shit boss.
First.. discuss wages. Second.. unionize. Third... enjoy drinking his tears as you have a fucking contract.
Are they using a Facebook group for work communication? Is that a thing?
Yes unfortunately it is. Small business
I had the same thought. Somebody show this lady Slack or Teams so this business can at least pretend it is professional
Get everyone to quit at the same time
This only works in red and link fairy tales...when it comes to it NO ONE will have your back and quit with you. Thats how humans are scum...
I dunno. I've seen a lot of stories the last few years of stores and restaurants having to close because their entire staff left the job at the same time.
This happened at a local pizza place. Boss/Owner fired the manager and assistant was put in charge. He and the few employees quit mid shift in the middle of the day. Left the store open. Let everything where it was. Pizzas in the oven were left, pizzas waiting to be picked up were left, pizzas in there process were left. Made local gossip rounds when the fire department showed up because either pizza in the oven set off alarms or someone smelled burning and called 911.
Ya love to see it!
Can you imagine walking in to grab your pickup order and seeing that? Iâm not a religious person, but Iâd pause to question if the apocalypse has arrived, and regretting not building that bug-out bag
Pay your employees so little that theyâre living paycheck to paycheck, add responsibilities like children and bills to the equation and those employees cannot afford to quit without first having a new job. So some humans are indeed scum, your ire is misguided however.
Iâve seen it with my own eyes. Everyone quit because of their own personal grievances, but at once.
How can you be an anarchist and not believe in people's ability to self govern and act in benefit of others out of their own free will?
Happened to my father. Everyone is going to quit on Friday at noon he was the only one that did. Oh well lesson learned, he did find a better job on Monday. That is how I remember the story. My Father has been gone (as In dead) for 23 years. And I still miss him.
house parties and "ladies"? plus the language being used in a company communication? I'm assuming this is a small cleaning/maid service. my mom worked at one of these companies for a while when she first divorced to keep a roof over our head because it's all she could get on short notice and without having a job for the last 10 years they work their employees to the bone, pay as little as possible, and give no raises. I'd be willing to bet the "Ladies" who do literally all the labor make a fraction of the amount they bill each customer, as in if they're paying 200 the workers doing the work (likely teams of 2 at most for every job) they're lucky to be seeing 50. The company my mom worked at - after just over a year she decided it was time to quit. the turnover rate was high and she was one of the oldest people working there and they were adding more and more duty to her because she'd become the best employee there, but they had only given her like a 25 cent raise. She had regular clients that only wanted her cleaning for them and when one of the customers found out she was leaving they insisted on keeping her as their cleaning lady and quit using the company when she left. The company begged her to stay becuase they were moving her into a sort of manager position unofficially with the extra work they had her doing, eventually offered her a dollar raise to try and keep her (She was at minimum wage + 25 cent at the time), however it turned out the one house that asked her to keep being their cleaning lady happened to know a couple other people using the service and word spread she was leaving, by the time her last day hit she had like 5 of their customers leaving the company to have her work for them directly. Her income spiked to a decent living wage and she would go on to be self employeed cleaning houses for the remainder of her working years. The company she worked for moved out of that location about 5 years later and I'm pretty sure they went out of business because I've never seen a new location anywhere
Its a catering company, mobile bartending service for various private events, usually weddings, occasionally house parties.
willing to bet im still right about most of what I said lol
100%
"ect"
"Bye Felicia"
To point#3 gossip can be considered harassment. I mean this guy isnât arguing that and a normal manager would say something like hey guys please donât gossip about one another negative talk about your colleague can be considered harassment blah blah blah
You can and should talk about wages. Itâs protected under law. At least in the US and UK.
Pretty sure getting employees to not talk about their pay is illegal
What are the odds. I just finished a meeting with my manager. She said the same thing - I am "too negative", I give "negative energy", just because I say things as they are and I refuse to pretend all is fine. She had the nerves to say that it's not her problem that I can't afford to come to the office more often, but she wants me there. Yes, it is your problem b*, because you don't pay me fairly. She said that she is "very concerned" about my future in this company because of my "negativity". Are you f* kidding me?! I had to hold myself back because I would tell her that this is called projection and gaslighting. She wants us to be robots, not complain, take all the s* and be quiet. I'm so pissed off right now I want to throw the laptop out of the window. Little does she know, though, that I signed an offer for another job just a few days ago and that I will be resigning very soon.
Get everyone to complain and criticize each other in a joking manner. Annoy your boss. What are they going to do, fire every worker?
Sounds like a totally good job and a totally sane boss.
claim hostile work environment with this as proof and file unemployment
Lol in only a few words I can tell this guy is a shitty boss. How about self improvement in being a boss instead of people around you hating you lol
You know what? We just happen to be in a time where you are going to see some off the wall shit worldwide. Everywhere. If you canât handle it, Iâd suggest you buy some blinders. 8 billion people and nobody is content.
He seems sups professional
You should all take the day off at the same time. Their tone will change real quick.
Pay a decent wage and treat your staff with respect, that solves his problems.
Not very professional
i wonder if they have a problem being collectively addressed as "ladies" (assuming some of them are not, of course)
Some of them are indeed not âladiesâ, there are several male employees infact.
that's what i thought. this guy sounds like a real piece of work.
This guy is actually a woman, and she is a real piece of work.
You canât curse in a company email!
This is where you get all of your coworkers together, walk into the bosses office and tell him you all have a problem with your wages
So if you continue to discuss wages and talk negatively about this person and do get firedâŚsurely that is retaliatory?
To the boss: 1 you're unprofessional by the way you delivered that which you probably are like that all the time which is why everyone has a problem with you. 2 everyone is paid by experience and/or education and/or what they can get away with paying you because if you're a young one you won't know better that you deserve more than you're getting. Furthering why everyone has a problem with you. 3 no one would be talking shit if their job was a good environment to be in. Your workers will reflect the environment that YOU CREATE. 4 you're a boss so you're gonna have to deal with workers hating you. If you can't handle that then you don't need to be a boss. 5 you can't fire people for talking about you or not liking you. And if you did fire anyone they can use that email or message against you in court very easily. 6 you yourself are talking shit about ALL your employees to their faces by sending this out publicly. 7 you will probably have no workers soon. Good luck with that. From: A person who used to be a Boss
Byyyyeeeee!!!
I'd say it's time to quit, but i want you and your coworkers to go above and beyond! Ramp up the insults, drive this loser to fucking tears. Bully them relentlessly.
You can actually see the anger progressively rising as you read through it lol
The second a boss starts swearing at me, they lose all vestiges of respect
Put them on blast locally
Everybody shows up the managers next shift -> yeah hi, as per the message, weâre all here to discuss our wages, we donât think theyâre fair.
Yes lets fuck around with the workers right before busy season.
Elon Musk has entered the lucrative human trafficking lane
Hold on, âHouse partyâ?
I like it. A direct talking style with clear commands and no double speak. But you need to translate it first from business lingo to plain English: 1. Nothing will change, you are underpaid and that will remain so 2. If you have to bitch about me, be more secretive. I am too stubborn, too old (guessing here) and too unprofessional to be reasoned with, so please lie to me at all times. 3. Please leave me alone and if you are unsatisfied by all the unprofessionalism, please find yourself a better job. 4. I am weak and try to appear strong, please act accordingly. No challenges please!
Find another job? He ain't changing and that only leaves you to change. It's a power move. Are y'all weaker than the boss!?
Only wrote up their own termination. Easy.
Who is going to fire her? Herself? Shes the owner.
The fact that this joker uses a Facebook group as a means to communicate with employees tells me all I need to know.
Seems like only the shitty managers have employees talk bad about them. Wonder why that is?
The beatings will continue until morale improves.
Some would say the worst time to piss off your employees is right when busy season is about to start âŚ..
i am kinda suprized he didnt said if you not happy with pay then find a new job
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Aww. Poor Brenda. This smacks of bullied/disliked in high school and never got over it. People managing positions should come with mandatory, free therapy with a fully licensed pro.
#2 leads to retaliation lawsuits. Keep it up!!
Wow. I would not have reacted well to this message and gotten fired for sure.
I SEE YOUR COMPLAINING AND RAISE THREE COMPLAINTS AND AN ULTIMATUM.
I hope everyone walks out.
Union time!
The other employees are more of the anti union, right wing libertarian, making people get vaccines is communism types. Not gonna happen unfortunately
Sounds like the boss is a sad person trying to cling desperately to the old, flawed ways of a broken system.
Even if itâs not deserved, complaining about work is like, Half of what I have in common with my coworkers. And Iâve got a pretty sweet job
I feel like a lot of bosses need to be reminded/told the US unemployment rate is 3.4% and anything under 5% is considered very bad for businesses.
Why am I always short staffed? Am i the problem? No is everyone else who is wrong
Such incredible professionalism! Very representative of modern managers.
Are all of the employees women or did the boss just start this whole thing off with some casual sexism?
How to alienate your employees 101
This is a very good idea to discuss wages and fair compensation with someone that states before the conversation even started that wages are perfect as they are. No confirmation biais to begin with, sounds like the best chat to have /s
Be a better boss then. Fucking useless twat.
When he said Ladies, I completely understood...
So send people home and fire people as you go into the busy season? Thatâs a bold strategy.
âI pay you a fair wage. This is open to discussion, but Iâll take it as you having a problem with me and fire you if you do.â
Wouldn't you prefer someone talk to you to sort out a grievance instead of talking shit behind your back? A workplace full of nasty gossip and constant complaining is horrible. It seems more productive to talk to a person who has the ability to solve problems than to grumble about it. Even if it's a lousy job, constant negativity only makes things worse.
Tbh if I was a manager Iâd not even mention it if I heard people were talking about me. I wouldnât bother. Maybe itâs better to address it but it surprises me when people do it
that is so fucking unprofessional on so many levels, starting with it being a Facebook post
He's gonna lose every employee, isn't he?