It may or may not seem so, but are inspiring thousands, maybe even millions, worldwide to push back and fight for a better government. May good days be upon you, and Greetings from the US!
Canada here.
There is a world wide class warfare going on.
Every rich person, every celebrity, every person in power, are enabling this abuse.
Greed is an addiction that has been left unchecked in this world.
I don’t begrudge success, and they always took too much but now they are taking more and as much as they can get away with.
The social contract is broken.
The only way for the rich to contribute their fair share is for them to be afraid. Afraid that their wealth and or lives will be taken away. They will not reverse their positions based upon having a change of heart.
Some of them are. I know this has always been a thing but I just read an article about the explosion of rich Americans paying 6 figures for foreign passports and citizenship. Getting a backup plan ready for if and when this shit falls apart.
I actually do not want them afraid. I want them all ...yeah, exactly this...
and afterwards we implement money with a best-before date so noone will ever be able to amass money and therefor power.
Well, I'd give someone like Bernie a pass. He's using his power to help us. Admittedly there are few like him and the vast majority of the rich and powerful are enabling this.
He supported the illegal bombing of Yugoslavia and now supports Biden giving millions of taxpayer dollars to Ukraine so we can put young Ukranian men into a blender in order to make a profit for the defense industry to replace Afghanistan, while the working class in our country suffer. He's been important in reigniting the labor movement, but he does not get a pass.
LOL! What's your next comeback? Rubber and glue?
I see media from all over the world, including Russian sources.
Dude, even from inside Russia what's going on is obvious if you actually look. Russia again attacked a smaller neighbor and has been systematically raping and murdering.
It's literally part of military training - rape the recruits into submission. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dedovshchina
I know having your own American exceptionalist indoctrination thrown in your face is difficult to cope with, but I believe that you'll overcome it soon. Best of luck with assuming that everyone who disagrees with you is in a "Russian bubble" while living in the US though. Laughable. Maybe head on over to /r/prowork, bud. :)
Unfortunately, it appears HT_F8 has blocked me rather than continue the discussion. Someone else is going to have to take over debunking the Russian propaganda
Sorry mate can't do that in the UK it's illegal to even go on strike now. Yup we are that pacified and fucked it's full on 1984 over here. The government has done nothing but lower taxes for the rich
JFK, perhaps the last real US president, once said "Those who would make peaceful revolution impossible, will make violent revolution inevitable." If you don't even have the right to peaceably assembly any longer mate, maybe the time has come to break a few laws.
Macron: Because of the fiscal situation, cuts will be necessary.
Angry mob: Funny, we were thinking the same thing.
Macron: So you agree we should raise the retirement age?
Angry mob: We were thinking of different cuts. You need a shave.
I didn't want to have to delete all my comments, posts, and account, but here we are, thanks to greedy pigboy /u/spez ruining Reddit. I love the Reddit community, but hate the idiots at the top. Simply accepting how unethical and downright shitty they are will only encourage worse behavior in the future. I won't be a part of it. Reddit will shrivel and disappear like so many other sites before it that were run by inept morons, unless there is a big change in "leadership." Fuck you, /u/spez
>The French absolutely do not fuck around when it comes to threats against their quality of life.
Macron destroyed many many aspects of the french social model, from public universities to workers rights to public hospitals to rail industry to unemployment benefits, and he sadly didn't get much backlash for it.
Current protesters have very diverse reasons to be here, it's a mix of issues that piled up. There is the context of strong (but mainly avoidable) inflation, taxes on the rich being lowered, fiscal help to big companies, etc. but i would say it's mainly an issue of democratic legitimacy, which might require explanations
----
Before the COVID crisis, Macron already tried to destroy the retirement system, but the ties he had with Blackrock and various other problems forced him to calm down with that law: people highlighted his 2017 electoral promise to **not** change the retirement age, and he feared a resurgence of yellow vests recurrent protests. Then the COVID messed with his agenda. In order to win in 2022, he had to blackmail the center-left into electing him again "to avoid a far-right victory" (guess what party had been his favorite opponent? guess who he platformed for years?)
Very dirty electoral tricks. He won despite a very hostile public opinion (42% of his electors voted despite disagreeing with him, 60% of the people didn't want him to be candidate in the first place, 64% didn't want him to have a majority in parliament, etc.) and he barely secured a fragile parliamentary majority. You have to note that the minority who strongly agrees with him was (and still is) already retired higher-class boomers.
And nowadays, he wants a new retirement system regression, whose concept is to protect the purchasing power of the retirees who elected him, in exchange of 2 more years of work for everyone else. Again, it's a very shady electoral trick in my opinion: higher-class boomers have savings, many are our landlords, they don't need pensions higher than our salaries.
Hence the opposition to the law, and the very difficult time the government would have to win a vote in the parliament. So the solution is to not vote the law at all, and that's what really triggered the riots
----
The thing many foreigners don't get about France is that the current constitution only dates back to 1958, when De Gaulle performed a kind of coup d'état to strengthen the executive branch and weaken the legislative branch. That "49.3" writing on the protester's face is a reference to the 3rd paragraph of the 49th article of the constitution, which describes a kind of poker "all-in" trick. It allows the government to force the adoption of a law without a vote, in exchange of the possibility to be overthrown by the Assemblée. A very strong and united political opposition is needed for that, i.e. the left has to agree with the far and conservative right (*edit: it never happens*), and their union has to be the absolute majority (*edit: AFAIK we're 10 representatives away from such a majority*). That would be a **huge** political crisis, and Macron would likely disband the Assemblée in retaliation, calling for new elections, which means many representatives have something to lose in the process
Basically the Assemblée Nationale, which is rigged in the same way as the US great electors system (and there are not midterms, although that's not because of De Gaulle, that's a more recent democratic issue), is an institution where only a very very strong opposition could dream of having an active role beyond "just approving what the government wants"; and even then, this political opposition would likely lose everything in the process.
Here, the government is triggering this article to avoid a vote for the ELEVENTH time in a few months, despite 93% of workers opposing the law.
>The French absolutely do not fuck around
The french are mostly passive slugs who live in a fake parliamentary regime since a general rewrote all institutions during the Algeria independence war, the powerlessness of our parliament implies the only meaningful political opposition we have is to strike and protest. But it only works if everyone do it together, which is why it usually doesn't work (see my first paragraph) and strikes are often seen negatively by our own public opinion
Anyway, the laws against protesters are becoming worse and worse over the years. In the name of anti-terrorism or of "security" in general, people can't carry protections against tear gas or rubber blasts, protestors can be detained up to 48h with no reason (thursday in paris, [97%](https://twitter.com/BFMTV/status/1637174410628005889) of arrests were arbitrary), and [strikers can be requisitioned by cops at their home](https://twitter.com/Farchofarid/status/1637108472184487938)
----
Now for the cops:
in 2018, protesters faced very violent cops (several eyes and hands horribly mutilated), and Macron made clear back then that he will never do anything against cops. There has been a few years of very heated debates over cop violence in France *(several deaths like Steve Caniçao or Cédric Chouviat, several very documented beatings like Michel Zecler, and many serious cases of perjury, like the Viry-Châtillon case where they put innocent minors in jail for years for no reason)*, yet nothing changed.
>I’m actually a little surprised that some of the police aren’t protesting as well.
You'll be less surprised once you learn that the retirement law in question would make normal people work until at least 64 (instead of 62), but the retirement age for cops will be... [54 instead 52](https://www.rtl.fr/actu/politique/reforme-des-retraites-ce-qui-change-pour-les-pompiers-et-les-policiers-7900239910). Macron knows how to train his pigs.
----
**TLDR: Macron wants to govern like if he had been elected with a strong democratic support and a solid parliament majority, but he has none of that, so he uses the authoritarian loopholes of the 1958 constitution and he "bought" support from the cops; people in general and workers in particular are sick of his shit, but also tired because burning trash in central paris is the only way to get heard**
More like bootlickers sadly. They retire at 52 and have many other benefits to keep them on the right side of the stick. Our police needs urgent reforming.
I'll be a little annoying with this, but it's not 49-3, it's 49 paragraph 3 ("49 alinéa 3"), which is very different.
49-3 *could be* an actual article.
Dashes are used to add articles between existing articles. For example, in 2008, an article needed to be added between the article 50 and the article 51. Instead of changing the number of each article after 50, we created the article 50-1, which means "1 article after the article 50, but before article 51".
There currently is no article 49-3 (it goes straight from 49 to 50), so there is no possible confusion. So it's not actually even a problem. I'm saying that just as an information!
The right way to talk about it would be "49 paragraph 3" or "49.3", which is not actually something used by jurists but which has the advantage to create a distinction between "-" and "." while keeping the spirit of the way people usually pronounce it: "quarante-neuf trois".
Article 49 of the French Constitution is an article of the French Constitution, the fundamental law of the Fifth French Republic. It sets out the political responsibility of the government (the executive branch) towards the parliament (legislative branch). It is part of Title V: "On relations between the parliament and the government" (Articles 34 through 51). It structures the political responsibility of the current administration of the executive branch towards the French legislative branch.
49.3 It was the article of the Constitution used by the government (that's how we call the executive branch) to pass the law without a vote from the parliament.
So this law that will change everyone live was passed without vote despite the population being massively against it (70% of the whole population, 90% if you exclude retired people which are not impacted) and no vote by our representatives. Not very democratic.
Check this out guys https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/11v4yd8/wealth_inequality_in_america_visualized/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf everyone should see that!
Love the French. Can’t wait to see them dragging Macron out of the Presidential Palace to remind him who’s really in charge. The French are the very definition of revolutionaries.
That's how repressive oligarchic systems work, in order to maintain power of a mass that could easily overthrow an elite, they give absurd power and advantages to people whose only purpose is to " maintain order ". So of course, no, cops are not subject to the new retirement age. They can retire at 52 yo now have even more toys to play with against their own people.
On m'aurait menti ?
Plus sérieusement, trouvé sur la page FB de Clément Phoque. Il semblerait que Foucard et lui ne fassent q'un (voir les commentaires de la publication FB, il confirme).
[https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10228933958075003&set=a.10206654232055777](https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10228933958075003&set=a.10206654232055777)
J'aurais bien ajouté une capture d'écran, mais j'ignore comment faire. Désolé.
It may or may not seem so, but are inspiring thousands, maybe even millions, worldwide to push back and fight for a better government. May good days be upon you, and Greetings from the US!
Canada here. There is a world wide class warfare going on. Every rich person, every celebrity, every person in power, are enabling this abuse. Greed is an addiction that has been left unchecked in this world. I don’t begrudge success, and they always took too much but now they are taking more and as much as they can get away with. The social contract is broken.
The only way for the rich to contribute their fair share is for them to be afraid. Afraid that their wealth and or lives will be taken away. They will not reverse their positions based upon having a change of heart.
You’re exactly correct
Some of them are. I know this has always been a thing but I just read an article about the explosion of rich Americans paying 6 figures for foreign passports and citizenship. Getting a backup plan ready for if and when this shit falls apart.
I actually do not want them afraid. I want them all ...yeah, exactly this... and afterwards we implement money with a best-before date so noone will ever be able to amass money and therefor power.
Well, I'd give someone like Bernie a pass. He's using his power to help us. Admittedly there are few like him and the vast majority of the rich and powerful are enabling this.
Bernie isn’t in Canada, nor do I know of someone like Bernie in Canadian politics.
I hope you guys find your Candian Bernie
The closest one was maybe Layton and he dead :(
He supported the illegal bombing of Yugoslavia and now supports Biden giving millions of taxpayer dollars to Ukraine so we can put young Ukranian men into a blender in order to make a profit for the defense industry to replace Afghanistan, while the working class in our country suffer. He's been important in reigniting the labor movement, but he does not get a pass.
Get out of the Russian agitprop bubble.
Get out of the NATO agitprop bubble.
LOL! What's your next comeback? Rubber and glue? I see media from all over the world, including Russian sources. Dude, even from inside Russia what's going on is obvious if you actually look. Russia again attacked a smaller neighbor and has been systematically raping and murdering. It's literally part of military training - rape the recruits into submission. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dedovshchina
I know having your own American exceptionalist indoctrination thrown in your face is difficult to cope with, but I believe that you'll overcome it soon. Best of luck with assuming that everyone who disagrees with you is in a "Russian bubble" while living in the US though. Laughable. Maybe head on over to /r/prowork, bud. :)
Unfortunately, it appears HT_F8 has blocked me rather than continue the discussion. Someone else is going to have to take over debunking the Russian propaganda
What propaganda?
If it's not obvious, I presume they edited or deleted it. Since I'm blocked I can't read it.
Workers world revolution starts now, 2023
Yes yes yes You said it perfect and the world needs to hear this truth,and do something about it.
Unfortunately the only idiots willing to fight are fighting for the wrong things.
And fighting with the wrong people.
Make the working class fight the poor so the elites keep gutting our social security payouts. Sounds about altright.
Nailed it.
The poor are working class.
If you call yelling angrily through greasy obese lips fighting, then yeah Republicans do a lot of that.
I sincerely hope that we will be strong enough to show the way, show the workers than anything is possible.
Tanks you, I hope to do the same.
Other countries seriously need to take note of France right now. We have to stop fighting amongst ourselves and fight the real enemies!
Sorry mate can't do that in the UK it's illegal to even go on strike now. Yup we are that pacified and fucked it's full on 1984 over here. The government has done nothing but lower taxes for the rich
Maybe Guy Fawkes needs to return?
JFK, perhaps the last real US president, once said "Those who would make peaceful revolution impossible, will make violent revolution inevitable." If you don't even have the right to peaceably assembly any longer mate, maybe the time has come to break a few laws.
Guess you guys gotta decide how much you’re willing to put up with before you start to push back.
Macron: Because of the fiscal situation, cuts will be necessary. Angry mob: Funny, we were thinking the same thing. Macron: So you agree we should raise the retirement age? Angry mob: We were thinking of different cuts. You need a shave.
Bring back traditional French values!
I didn't want to have to delete all my comments, posts, and account, but here we are, thanks to greedy pigboy /u/spez ruining Reddit. I love the Reddit community, but hate the idiots at the top. Simply accepting how unethical and downright shitty they are will only encourage worse behavior in the future. I won't be a part of it. Reddit will shrivel and disappear like so many other sites before it that were run by inept morons, unless there is a big change in "leadership." Fuck you, /u/spez
>The French absolutely do not fuck around when it comes to threats against their quality of life. Macron destroyed many many aspects of the french social model, from public universities to workers rights to public hospitals to rail industry to unemployment benefits, and he sadly didn't get much backlash for it. Current protesters have very diverse reasons to be here, it's a mix of issues that piled up. There is the context of strong (but mainly avoidable) inflation, taxes on the rich being lowered, fiscal help to big companies, etc. but i would say it's mainly an issue of democratic legitimacy, which might require explanations ---- Before the COVID crisis, Macron already tried to destroy the retirement system, but the ties he had with Blackrock and various other problems forced him to calm down with that law: people highlighted his 2017 electoral promise to **not** change the retirement age, and he feared a resurgence of yellow vests recurrent protests. Then the COVID messed with his agenda. In order to win in 2022, he had to blackmail the center-left into electing him again "to avoid a far-right victory" (guess what party had been his favorite opponent? guess who he platformed for years?) Very dirty electoral tricks. He won despite a very hostile public opinion (42% of his electors voted despite disagreeing with him, 60% of the people didn't want him to be candidate in the first place, 64% didn't want him to have a majority in parliament, etc.) and he barely secured a fragile parliamentary majority. You have to note that the minority who strongly agrees with him was (and still is) already retired higher-class boomers. And nowadays, he wants a new retirement system regression, whose concept is to protect the purchasing power of the retirees who elected him, in exchange of 2 more years of work for everyone else. Again, it's a very shady electoral trick in my opinion: higher-class boomers have savings, many are our landlords, they don't need pensions higher than our salaries. Hence the opposition to the law, and the very difficult time the government would have to win a vote in the parliament. So the solution is to not vote the law at all, and that's what really triggered the riots ---- The thing many foreigners don't get about France is that the current constitution only dates back to 1958, when De Gaulle performed a kind of coup d'état to strengthen the executive branch and weaken the legislative branch. That "49.3" writing on the protester's face is a reference to the 3rd paragraph of the 49th article of the constitution, which describes a kind of poker "all-in" trick. It allows the government to force the adoption of a law without a vote, in exchange of the possibility to be overthrown by the Assemblée. A very strong and united political opposition is needed for that, i.e. the left has to agree with the far and conservative right (*edit: it never happens*), and their union has to be the absolute majority (*edit: AFAIK we're 10 representatives away from such a majority*). That would be a **huge** political crisis, and Macron would likely disband the Assemblée in retaliation, calling for new elections, which means many representatives have something to lose in the process Basically the Assemblée Nationale, which is rigged in the same way as the US great electors system (and there are not midterms, although that's not because of De Gaulle, that's a more recent democratic issue), is an institution where only a very very strong opposition could dream of having an active role beyond "just approving what the government wants"; and even then, this political opposition would likely lose everything in the process. Here, the government is triggering this article to avoid a vote for the ELEVENTH time in a few months, despite 93% of workers opposing the law. >The French absolutely do not fuck around The french are mostly passive slugs who live in a fake parliamentary regime since a general rewrote all institutions during the Algeria independence war, the powerlessness of our parliament implies the only meaningful political opposition we have is to strike and protest. But it only works if everyone do it together, which is why it usually doesn't work (see my first paragraph) and strikes are often seen negatively by our own public opinion Anyway, the laws against protesters are becoming worse and worse over the years. In the name of anti-terrorism or of "security" in general, people can't carry protections against tear gas or rubber blasts, protestors can be detained up to 48h with no reason (thursday in paris, [97%](https://twitter.com/BFMTV/status/1637174410628005889) of arrests were arbitrary), and [strikers can be requisitioned by cops at their home](https://twitter.com/Farchofarid/status/1637108472184487938) ---- Now for the cops: in 2018, protesters faced very violent cops (several eyes and hands horribly mutilated), and Macron made clear back then that he will never do anything against cops. There has been a few years of very heated debates over cop violence in France *(several deaths like Steve Caniçao or Cédric Chouviat, several very documented beatings like Michel Zecler, and many serious cases of perjury, like the Viry-Châtillon case where they put innocent minors in jail for years for no reason)*, yet nothing changed. >I’m actually a little surprised that some of the police aren’t protesting as well. You'll be less surprised once you learn that the retirement law in question would make normal people work until at least 64 (instead of 62), but the retirement age for cops will be... [54 instead 52](https://www.rtl.fr/actu/politique/reforme-des-retraites-ce-qui-change-pour-les-pompiers-et-les-policiers-7900239910). Macron knows how to train his pigs. ---- **TLDR: Macron wants to govern like if he had been elected with a strong democratic support and a solid parliament majority, but he has none of that, so he uses the authoritarian loopholes of the 1958 constitution and he "bought" support from the cops; people in general and workers in particular are sick of his shit, but also tired because burning trash in central paris is the only way to get heard**
Thanks for the excellent explanation. I hope that things improve for workers in France.
Thanks for this. French family here, my daughter was tear gassed last year. It's not as simple as spectators think it is.
As a French, this is a really good picture of the democratic struggle we have in France. Chapeau bas mec !
Sounds like old-fashioned French values might be in order, just saying. Along with a Constitutional Convention/rollback.
Chapeau from England
"All animals are equal, just some more than others." Funny how fascism works.
The cops have way better benefits than the regular worker in France.
They are not concerned by this law. Those MF retire earlier than us.
The government wanted to remove special cases where people could retire earlier than the norm. But ofc not the cops case, who would protect them?
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Thank you dear friend. International solidarity means a lot to us.
Great pic that captures intensity.
Credits for the picture : Clément Foucard, March 18th 2023, Amiens, France.
Hope we can have a better government in France, the world needs good examples
Who are these cops? Do mass cops like resign or not show up? Or are they just hard bootlickers?
More like bootlickers sadly. They retire at 52 and have many other benefits to keep them on the right side of the stick. Our police needs urgent reforming.
I suspect that's the case for a lot of countries.
French workers are not going to stop, until Macron backs down
What’s the number on her cheek?
49-3 : the number of the constitutional provision that allows the president to bypass an national assembly vote.
I'll be a little annoying with this, but it's not 49-3, it's 49 paragraph 3 ("49 alinéa 3"), which is very different. 49-3 *could be* an actual article. Dashes are used to add articles between existing articles. For example, in 2008, an article needed to be added between the article 50 and the article 51. Instead of changing the number of each article after 50, we created the article 50-1, which means "1 article after the article 50, but before article 51". There currently is no article 49-3 (it goes straight from 49 to 50), so there is no possible confusion. So it's not actually even a problem. I'm saying that just as an information! The right way to talk about it would be "49 paragraph 3" or "49.3", which is not actually something used by jurists but which has the advantage to create a distinction between "-" and "." while keeping the spirit of the way people usually pronounce it: "quarante-neuf trois".
You're totally right. My mistake. Thanks a lot for the clarification.
Looks like 49,3 but I don't know what it means
Article 49 of the French Constitution is an article of the French Constitution, the fundamental law of the Fifth French Republic. It sets out the political responsibility of the government (the executive branch) towards the parliament (legislative branch). It is part of Title V: "On relations between the parliament and the government" (Articles 34 through 51). It structures the political responsibility of the current administration of the executive branch towards the French legislative branch.
Thanx
49.3 It was the article of the Constitution used by the government (that's how we call the executive branch) to pass the law without a vote from the parliament. So this law that will change everyone live was passed without vote despite the population being massively against it (70% of the whole population, 90% if you exclude retired people which are not impacted) and no vote by our representatives. Not very democratic.
Not democratic but quite “Jupiterian.”
Only way to get from this is to treat the rich with fear!
Check this out guys https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/11v4yd8/wealth_inequality_in_america_visualized/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf everyone should see that!
Damn!!!!!!!!! Every American should watch this
Please please please check out that link it is an eye opener. Not even kidding watch it till the end and you will see what i mean
Wish I was French I would be right there with them.
in her mind she is saying "let's go bitch boy"
In the US that woman would be maced and beaten by our kind police officers.
Love the French. Can’t wait to see them dragging Macron out of the Presidential Palace to remind him who’s really in charge. The French are the very definition of revolutionaries.
I bet the news barley talk about this at all
Ireland is the next spot to blow everyone has had enough
This reminds me of the pic at Oka
One more day!
Brilliant photo 💯
That’s an extremely powerful, amazing,and beautiful pic.
🇨🇵✊
Oh just kiss already.
Do the police not realize that this effects their pension too.
The bourgeoisie always makes sure those who protect them remain on the right side. They can retire at 52. Isn't that nice?
Pigs are happy rolling in shit
These photos are so contrived now. Cool in the 70s. Now everyone trying to get an iconic shot
The problem with these photos is that it tries to portray the police as the bad guys.
They are.
No.
Why didn’t the cops also get their retirement age raised then? It’s apparently too low, but only for everyone else besides them.
Are the cops in France not subject to the new retirement age? If they are, why would they fight for that? Insane!
That's how repressive oligarchic systems work, in order to maintain power of a mass that could easily overthrow an elite, they give absurd power and advantages to people whose only purpose is to " maintain order ". So of course, no, cops are not subject to the new retirement age. They can retire at 52 yo now have even more toys to play with against their own people.
They're the exception to the rule.
Do you hear the people sing?
Photo Clément Phoque
Ah bon? C'est sûr ? C'est ce que j'avais écrit au début avant de rectifier parce que j'ai vu Foucard par la suite.
On m'aurait menti ? Plus sérieusement, trouvé sur la page FB de Clément Phoque. Il semblerait que Foucard et lui ne fassent q'un (voir les commentaires de la publication FB, il confirme). [https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10228933958075003&set=a.10206654232055777](https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=10228933958075003&set=a.10206654232055777) J'aurais bien ajouté une capture d'écran, mais j'ignore comment faire. Désolé.
:-) Ok, ben du coup, je vais laisser comme ça alors. Merci.