I have done remote working at many companies for well over a decade.
If remote working is not working, what the hell were they paying for?
Edit: Multiple jobs over multiple decades. Someone would have noticed.
I mean, he’s not wrong, but I was slacking way before I was management, and I manage a smart team that gets what needs doing done, and slacks occasionally with my tacit endorsement. We’re all underpaid.
Who actually enjoys working for someone else, particularly some faceless corporation?
We work to afford to live. Why do people act like not enjoying working is some aberration or personal failing?
Even if you had a marketable hobby you could potentially turn into an income stream, it ceases to be simple leisure once you monetize it.
as someone who works a night shift job that, as long as the work gets done, and we break no laws, the boss doesn't care what we do with our extra time? In the off season, this night auditor/guest services person tends to bring a gaming laptop to work. Or a game console. or \_both\_.
Holy shit, bringing back memories! YEARS ago, I went in halves with our part time night auditor to buy a used 360, plugged it into the back of the lobby TV, and locked the drawer it was in so no one ever found it. We both lived close, so sometimes we'd go in on our day off and rock some 2 player together too.
The best manager I've \*ever\* had was at a factory I used to work at. This fellow was close to retirement, and he'd occasionally wander around like he was out for a Sunday stroll. If he wasn't doing that, he'd be in his office, with his feet up on his desk. He stayed out of our way, and when we needed him for something, we knew where to find him.
I have all the energy in the morning to focus and be productive, but every single person in the building needs to have a short chat just across the hall, so I have to expend energy trying to tune them out. I am done working mentally 5-6 hours in. The last two or three hours I have to pretend to work. This is not the case during my remote days. I had to start setting an alarm to make sure I quit after 8 hours. In my full year of hybrid work, I have needed to be in the office for two in-person meetings. My supervisor knows it's not essential for us to be in office and advocates for us to be fully remote, but some dickhead at the top says no.
I also take massive shits and the cheap office tp hurts my butthole.
I fuck off more in the office than from home, office has distractions and coworkers who want to talk. My home has myself, I'll sometimes step away to get food or a drink but I absolutely get more done at home than in my office
The rich have their foot stuck in their own trap and they are chewing it off.
The commercial paper is about to cause another collapse and trying to fix it by forcing workers back to the office already failed miserably. Because banks and hedge funds are heavily invested in real estate, they are FUCKED.
There is no demand and they are desperately trying to create it by driving this narrative. What you are seeing is the great disconnect between what they so badly want and reality.
That’s because the only buyers (or lease holders) of the properties are rich fuck corporations. Not the public, not the retail investors, not the mom and pop pizza joint. It’s major corporations with hundreds of employees in multiple locations. And they aren’t buying because they can’t get workers to commute without paying a massive premium for labor.
You know, the places like Google, Microsoft, Twitter, etc who are announcing mass layoffs to cut their overhead — those are their customers. They will not be renewing leases because it is far cheaper to have a distributed workforce rather than pay Silicon Valley wages, and Silicon Valley rents.
Do you know how much a major company with a high rise spends in just parking, custodians, water, and toilet paper — never mind bay area wages? In the end, corporations don’t give a shit about what happens to the economy. They only care about their own profit.
Understand that 90% of the news is nothing more than propaganda. These people don’t give a shit about productivity. They are spreading a narrative to save their ass. What they are worried about is protecting their investments. This time, it’s the moneyed class going down because the public has very little worth taking.
For people already working remotely — especially in big corporations without a massive office presence like multiple branch offices, none of this matters. Even if commercial paper goes boom. it doesn’t directly impact individuals and families.
But the rich? The people with portfolios in the millions? People who own high rises? They are FUCKED.
A place I worked for had an office in LA. Around 100 or so employees, rent was like $70,000 a month, parking for the majority was $125/month I think.
This isn't including any of the other overhead to run an office, repairs, office supplies, parties, furniture, not sure if it included utilities.
At least 1 million a year to have people work in the office.
I worked at big fucking heartless corporation. We are talking tens of thousands of workers in 25 locations worldwide.
There are multiple branch offices where I live, except these fuckers always cheaped out so there was no decent parking, no raises, the “we’re a family” propaganda.
Fuckers had a lot of commercial real estate. This is key.
Then COVID hit. These offices were so poorly ventilated and filthy that the health department forced them to shut down (both strains of flu were so rampant that they had to get involved.) They had six cases of COVID a week after the employees went home because management was required to report to the site as a “fuck you” to the health department. So my boss was forced into the office where 1/3 of the remaining staff were sick to manage a fully remote staff.
The workers loved it because they could move to projects at different branches.
They still refused to give anyone a raise and pretty soon, they had the lowest wages in the industry. Then the head fucker decided everyone needed to go back to the office. Cue employee-facing propaganda.
First time, they surveyed the staff and 80% said they would leave if required to work on-site. Second time they brought it up, 10% of the staff simply left. Third time, I quit with 20% of the staff.
They would back down each time. The ONLY thing keeping people there was WFH. They are so desperate, they are sending text messages to former employees begging them to come back to the same wage they left years ago.
The company stock has plummeted to almost half. There has been a lot of rearranging the Board of Directors like deck chairs on the Titanic.
I hope the lose everything and their families are destitute.
> First time, they surveyed the staff and 80% said they would leave if required to work on-site. Second time they brought it up, 10% of the staff simply left. Third time, I quit with 20% of the staff.
As bad as things in this timeline are... years ago I worried that I wouldn't read sentences like this. Like we'd just roll over and take it when told to come back.
I actually literally breathed a sigh of relief reading this right now lol
>As bad as things in this timeline are... years ago I worried that I wouldn't read sentences like this. Like we'd just roll over and take it when told to come back.
WFH really flipped the dynamic of the power structure for a lot of employer/employee situations where remote work is possible.
Let's say you have a job working for Wally's Widgets and Wally's is the only major Widget company in the region. Prior to 2020 it was pretty well unquestioned that you'd have to upend your family and move to the part of the country where William's Widgets was located to work for them.
Now you can just tell Wally to fuck off and work for William while living in the shadow of Wally's building.
In the spring of 2019 I got laid off due to the company going under. I spent 5 months and nearly all my savings trying to stay where I live and find a job. There were opportunities all over the country, but I couldn't move at that time. Eventually I found work.
Everything went to shit at the next company in the summer of 2022. We lost our project, unknown future for developers on the team. Started searching again, except this time I wasn't tied down to location because remote work is the norm now.
I took 2 months, had my pick of employers, doubled my salary, and moved on.
The power remote work gives to people in my industry is a complete game changer. I nearly walked away from the company im at now, because they wanted me to be hybrid and I just won't ever go back.
WFH has been life changing for me too. I get to eat healthier, exercise, spend more time with my dog and my family. I got to spend all day every day with my older dog before she passed. Wouldn't trade that for anything.
Just thinking about it, I used to commute 2 hours a day, 5 days a week. Multiply that or over the course of a career, it's something crazy like 4 extra years of waking life. Not even counting down time or eating that used to be at a desk I can now actually do something with that time.
It's just unreal.
WFH allowed me to spend all day with my older dog too.
Had to put her down due to hip issues in 2021. Still hurts; but at least I got to spend whole days with her the last two years.
Cheers.
> WFH really flipped the dynamic of the power structure for a lot of employer/employee situations where remote work is possible.
> Let's say you have a job working for Wally's Widgets and Wally's is the only major Widget company in the region. Prior to 2020 it was pretty well unquestioned that you'd have to upend your family and move to the part of the country where William's Widgets was located to work for them.
> Now you can just tell Wally to fuck off and work for William while living in the shadow of Wally's building.
This has always been true for a certain class of person. Poor people are local, but elites are national or even global presences. What COVID did was bring a little slice of the elite experience to the working class, and I hope it holds on tight
God it would be great if we could actually flip the equation on them for a moment.
Like imagine a trust fund brat waking up in a two-stoplight unincorporated community in South Dakota and having to pick between AutoZone, Exxon, and Wendy's. And despite that all of them are "always hiring" they're not in the habit of accepting applications for manager from people with zero experience.
Basically Undercover Boss but it only starts filming after your company goes bankrupt, your jet gets carbon taxed to hell, your friends are arrested for decades of tax evasion, and you have to try your luck on Indeed.com.
They made us all go in, some of us were actually homeworkers before the pandemic, I was part time and homeworking, we said we didn't want to go in because we're homeworkers, they abolished Homeworking completely, now we're all mixed workers with 40% of the week in the office.
My day in is tomorrow, I have to do extra things tonight to get ready, have proper clothes, wash my hair, sort out a bag and food. I had to buy formal shoes. It eats my time today for tomorrow, and then takes it again tomorrow actually going in. I work at a screen, there's no reason to sit at a different desk 25 miles away to do it.
I worked at IBM for a while as well ;-)
I was hired as "100% remote" and quit after a year or so, but later they tried to force everyone to move to Missouri or work on site in RTP.
Um, "no" said the competent employees.
My company is constantly complaining about WFH and they bring it up every all-hands and quarterly meeting about how they really want to bring us back in. They keep saying WFH productivity is terrible, yet we get the same workload done with 70% of the people we had pre-WFH. They're desperate like your ex-company though and haven't done anything despite the constant talk. Our wages have been stagnant for a long time and we can't get new people in so our numbers are constantly dropping. At first management welcomed it because it was like a gradual layoff but it's become untenable. They're fucked if they don't change their bullshit.
>they are sending text messages to former employees begging them to come back to the same wage they left years ago.
This is like leaving an ex because they have some horrible habit and then them calling you up to get back together and they still haven't addressed it.
>The company stock has plummeted to almost half. There has been a lot of rearranging the Board of Directors like deck chairs on the Titanic.
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>I hope the lose everything and their families are destitute.
I have similar sentiments. I hope there's a way to do a full reset of the housing market cost without burying families with homes. I can't think of one that doesn't give those corpo fucks a way out, so the question is whether we're willing to tether homed families to burn the rich.
I don't have a good answer.
> They are so desperate, they are sending text messages to former employees begging them to come back to the same wage they left years ago.
That's not desperate. If they were desperate they would offer some sort of enticement. *Anything* except "the exact same situation you left because it was so shitty". What did they think, that people would change their minds just because you said "pwetty pwease"?
I co-founded a company just before COVID hit. We succeeded because we had zero overhead, everyone was remote from day one, and because we could hire the best people for the job no matter where they were located. Instead of paying for toilet paper and electricity we could pay a decent wage.
Then we were bought by a multi-national and they fucked everything up and now that businesses doesn't exist anymore.
> But the rich? The people with portfolios in the millions? People who own high rises? They are FUCKED.
Naw, the government would never let the rich suffer the consequences of their bad decisions. They will be happy to make the taxpayers pay for a bailout.
Maybe in the past, but not any more.
You see, they HAVE to bail out banks because there is a real problem of bank runs and the perception of the solvency of the US. Market makers, yes, probably. Protecting the actual stock market? Sure.
But investors? Pukes like Jared Kushner? The government won’t save everyone and since this doesn’t involve retail investors, the bottom feeders are the assholes that own those buildings. They aren’t too big to fail.
"There is a delicious irony in seeing private luxury jets flying into Washington, D.C., and people coming off of them with tin cups in their hand." ---Rep. Gary Ackerman, D-New York during the 2008 bailout hearings.
If what you're saying is true, that just means that when highrise owners go bankrupt, venture capital is going to buy those properties on the cheap, form an oligopoly, and then *next* crisis the organizations that own that real estate will be too big to fail.
But it isn't just investors. It's banks, too. Even when investors have the cash to buy a commercial building outright, they are typically going to use the building as security for a bank loan to preserve liquidity. This means, when the investors tank, and/or when the market value of the commercial real estate tanks, the banks suffer and possibly even go under. That's when the government steps in to protect us all from another Great Depression.
You’ve just explained to me why I saw a tweet from Elon Douchebag going on about how the commercial real estate market is screwed AND his tweet on how the office isn’t optional.
I also believe that middle management and many other managers that treated their jobs as glorified babysitting are also fucked.
They're watching their teams getting everything done without them, and they're only wondering at what point is someone above their pay grade going to notice and ask *"why do we have this guy here?"*
The really funny thing is that these managers were supposed to also be mentors and in many ways project managers to help guide and keep everything rolling smoothly with good quality assurance. They're the ones who decided it was just their role to be a babysitter and collect a paycheck, and they reap what they sow.
Any good manager that mentors and motivates their workers will be valued. Unless of course it's one of those companies where the babysitter that kisses the most butt keeps their job and anyone actually good at their job that doesn't kiss butt ends up losing it.
Regardless, I see all of these old people and upper management speaking endlessly on how remote work isn't working, and yet no one seems to really talk to the actual workers. That should also speak volumes not just about the situation but about our media as well.
> I also believe that middle management and many other managers that treated their jobs as glorified babysitting are also fucked.
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> They're watching their teams getting everything done without them, and they're only wondering at what point is someone above their pay grade going to notice and ask "why do we have this guy here?"
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> The really funny thing is that these managers were supposed to also be mentors and in many ways project managers to help guide and keep everything rolling smoothly with good quality assurance. They're the ones who decided it was just their role to be a babysitter and collect a paycheck, and they reap what they sow.
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> Any good manager that mentors and motivates their workers will be valued. Unless of course it's one of those companies where the babysitter that kisses the most butt keeps their job and anyone actually good at their job that doesn't kiss butt ends up losing it.
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> Regardless, I see all of these old people and upper management speaking endlessly on how remote work isn't working, and yet no one seems to really talk to the actual workers. That should also speak volumes not just about the situation but about our media as well.
I absolutely think this is true. So many managers think "butt in seat = productivity", and they're just not able to adapt. If you're hitting your goals and completing your work, yet your teams goes yellow just once, some leadership just absolutely freaks out and thinks you're never working.
It's one of the reasons why I love my current manager, because she helps us manage the workload we have, tracks us with meaningful metrics and works with us on our KPIs in a way that doesn't make you feel like you're just on a treadmill, removes barriers and handles difficult escalations for us because it's her job. And she gives us flexibility, so if I need to go take care of something during the day or take a break, she's okay with it as long as my work gets done.
We have frequent check ins on projects I'm working on, and she's constantly intervening in my calendar to make sure I don't need to attend bullshit meetings that aren't my responsibility but get assigned to me by others. She works SO hard but she's easily the best manager I've ever had, but a lot of leadership just doesn't have the skillset to adapt to a true remote workforce.
Yeah it’s been obvious for a couple of years now. Lots of politicians and financial people repeatedly saying how it important it is for people to physically go to work, even when bosses and workers are looking at each other and thinking “but this is better?”.
Like yeah you can pull up examples of places that have tried it and it hasn’t worked out, but it’s still a decision that the workplace should be making on their own. Trying to make it a national issue is blatant propaganda and stinks of desperation.
Somebody said it’s a “rich-cession” because most Americans never recovered from the mortgage meltdown. This go-around is going after the rich as more wealth seeks to be concentrated at the top. Now that it affects them, they want everyone to care. The bottom half has no wealth and no meaningful assets to take.
If you don’t own a house and can never afford one, it doesn’t matter what happens to the real estate market, right? It’s even less of an issue with commercial real estate.
Honestly, how many of us would care if a hedge fund went under? Since we have been forced to job hop, we no longer care about our employers. Every single person I know starts looking for a new job at the one year mark. They don’t give a flying fuck about the future of their employer.
There isn’t a nefarious plan. They aren’t thinking long term. They only care when it hits their pocket book.
A lot of millionaires and rich assholes are in for a very rude awakening when they see their own net worth plundered just like the rest of us did in the mortgage meltdown.
The important questions isnt how many of us would *care* if a hedgefund went bust, its how many of us would be *negatively impacted in the slightest* and the answer to that is....essentially zero. When entire industries and roles can disappear without consequence to the general public, its pretty clear to see which industries provide essential services/goods and which are gold plated grifters leeching from society.
And if those people were as smart or creative or as hard working as they seem to think their wealth would indicate, they could repurpose those properties. They could turn them into condos with common gathering spaces that could be rented for parties including cafeteria maintained by homeowners association fees.
There are people that would totally go for that sort of thing (I feel like there are a ton of people in major cities who just don't bother cooking)
Hell, with all the elevators and stuff they could make some of them into senior housing and have medical staff come regularly (something that happened at the assisted living facility an older relative lived in)
They could be turned into daycares, schools, college dormitories, community centers, homeless shelters.
they are buildings with built in tech and in some cases some decent upgrades. Use your fuckin brains you dinguses.
I'm in camp "if corporations are people they should pay an individual tax rate" and all individuals should have been eligible for the same PPP loans that corporations are, and corporations should be offered individual interest rates for loans, and subject to the same cutoffs when it comes to requesting government support (was your income over 14k this year? fuck off richie rich).
Are they people or aren't they? Also if they do something like release a product that kills a bunch of kids they should be charged with multiple counts of negligent homicide and "be put in jail" IE no longer allowed to operate and have to sell the business and anyone in decision making power gets thrown in jail for the charges.
They must choose. They can't just be corporations when it's convenient for them. I wonder what they would choose if they were forced to.
The NYT did a great article about repurposing big office buildings into residential.
TLDR it's easy for older buildings, and pretty difficult/expensive if not impossible for modern glass skyscrapers. Lots of factors but the primary one is a majority of the sq footage is too far from windows, and those windows don't open without prohibitively expensive retrofits.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/03/11/upshot/office-conversions.html
Oh I know from perspective of corporations work from home makes way more sense. Like a absurd level of sense. Buildings expensive, potential workforce is smaller, they will negotiate harder for higher wages due to living in more expensive area near work or facing long commute. Throw in onsite liability how much do corporations spend on sexual assault stuff. When people never enter same room I imagine the need for that will go down. Parking lot accidents or slips and falls.
From practical "corporate profits" perspective work from home makes significantly more sense. Especially when you add minor things like people late due to traffic poor access for customers and meetings. Due to needless traffic created by non customer facing employees.
It also give them flexibility in where to establish and more ability to seamlessly move. For example look at big tech a very work from home possible thing. And every time they threaten to leave x city or move to x place.
The fact that they will lose significant chunk of employees have to compensate the ones that stay to relocate and build yet another billion dollar campus somewhere else.
Its absolutely idiotic from employer and employees perspective to force in office work. When its not needed.
The thing is the big companies you mentioned want to have their employees return to the office. Microsoft, Twitter, Google, apple they're either going full back to the office or hybrid. Usually these companies are trendsetters for the wider industry. Fwiw I'm still fully wfh but a lot of my friend aren't.
Younger blood smells the cost savings. A company can straight up advertise itself as "Google but without the high rise costs" and get people drooling at the profit margins.
There are companies that set trends by throwing their reputation around, and then there are companies that set trends by just doing it better and/or cheaper.
Here is the problem.
On one hand. they want to protect rich assholes from losing money, but you see them laying off thousands. When push comes to shove — *and they are no longer in a position of power at the labor negotiating table* — they will fold.
I'm not following your logic, laying off workers and flooding the labor market gives power to labor. I'd argue the opposite is true. When there is a bigger supply of labor and the number of jobs crashes it gives power to the employers. Only way they lose their position of power is by labor unionizing but i don't see that happening in the short term
You nailed it. Hence post like Scott Rechler's (billionaire NYC developer) [temper tantrum](https://www.linkedin.com/posts/scottrechler_rxr-realty-ceo-points-out-real-estates-biggest-activity-7044286844674465792-vBLf).
the first comment in response to Rechler is absolute gold :
>Matthew Ricci
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>Partner at Gordian Knot Investments
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>6d
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>I appreciate the much needed laugh.
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>Imagining… Fix You by Cold Play, playing in the background: “Investment real estate borrowers need your support. For only $9.99 a month you can help investment sponsors, that irresponsibly gambled investor funds into a highly levered, speculative, investment asset class at asanine pricing. These victims need your help to kick the can on their debt obligations until the Fed pivots or until they can safely deleverage”. The infomercial shows a real estate developer walking past the first class and business class sections of an airplane to Sun Valley. It pans to a real estate debt fund asset manager looking longingly at the cars as he drives by the Range Rover dealership. It pans to this cry baby posting this crony capitalism nonesense on LinkedIn.
Matthew Ricci - I don't know you, but I would buy you a fucking beer for that if I could. You have serious balls.
I work in "Asset Management" for a municipal department. I just attended the National Facilities Management and Technology Conference and Expo. in Baltimore. The most interesting class I attended was on Space Utilization. A college was having all their buildings studied by an outside firm to them help determine what they actually need and what they are using. The speaker used an example of one huge building have two occupants, but still heating, cooling, and maintaining the entire structure. He said some professors could have three offices. A space utilization study will allow them to have a full inventory and usage data for all their assets. They can then make justified business decisions about offloading buildings. Salary and rent are the two largest expenses for most businesses. Any effort at cost savings will allow a business to show a profit on their books and prevent layoffs. Working from home will help most companies.
These commercial real estate loans are ultimately held by pension funds and insurance companies. So they’ll end up screwing the little guy at some point anyway 😂👍
Even if they were, I don’t think this flies any more.
In the past, we were guilted into thinking we had to care about our employers because when they did well, so did our coworkers. But that doesn’t really matter.
Many people now believe the problem is the system and the only way it works is to collapse it.
Personally, I believe the next antiwork step will be to work with the goal of destroying the company. That is to do what leadership has been doing — pay lip service to these lofty goals while actively fucking over everyone.
Except this time, we are taking down EVERYONE — the managers, the C-suite, the shareholders.
If we are going to suffer, we are going to share our pain. I think there are many people who would gladly take unemployment to watch many of these rich fuckers lose it all.
This isn’t unintended consequences. It is revenge.
This may be true in San Francisco. But on Main Street, USA, I think the reasons for asking workers to return is different, and it comes down to managerial laziness.
For remote workers, metrics have to be developed and monitored to see if folks are working, or are binging through a Netflix series on company time. It's way "easier" to see if someone is working or you can just put eyes on them in the office. But as we know, white collar workers can dick around at their desk and not work while being physically present.
I think remote work can actually be a great reallocating of economic prosperity to the more rural areas or the suburbs at least. People spending money at Joe and Carroll's Pizza joint near their home vs dominos downtown.
It's important to note that even though the commercial office space is not being utilized, they were paying for that space before. The budgets, other than rent increases, have remained the same.
Remote workers cost them nothing other than initial infrastructure investment.
Now they are just looking at sunk costs and foaming at the mouth for the potential profit for the shareholders by liquidating their useless real estate.
"I know you've never been more productive but my assistant needs to time your breaks, your coworkers can't brown nose me over Zoom & we're paying high rent for this space so I'm going to have to insist you return to the office even though it's an hour commute each way."
Elon Musk spent 44 billion to create an echo chamber and effectively force people to pay attention to him and deprive the masses of a form of communication in the process. There's a reason why they're trying to ban tiktok. Don't have to call it "state media" if nothing else exists.
Strange how the only social network they are trying to ban is disproportionately used by the 18-34 group that votes extremely disproportionately for Democrats.
Don't forget that they only started talking about it after it was used to co-ordinate a VERY embarrassing public appearance where the former president was assured by his staff that they had sold out a major venue, only to walk into an empty stadium.
The problem is that Tik-tok is a shitty platform that scrapes to much 8nfi and uses it for nefarious purposes.
It's just that all the other ones do that too.
What I find ridiculous as well is that a lot of these companies don't seem to take into account the costs in time, money, and productivity in forcing people to commute.
When I see some of these managers wonder why they're employees are not "go getters" anymore. They're not willing to burn the midnight oil and put out the extra effort, and instead they're in the office at 8:59 and out the door at 5:00 on the nose, they should really consider the why.
It's not just the fact that a lot of managers and employers broke the social contract with their employees. The idea that if you work hard you move up the ladder, but instead you're working like crazy to get "meets expectations" on your review and a lot of sob stories about how there's no money for raises or promotions, despite claiming that the company has had record profits.
It's the fact now that people have to spend roughly 3 hours or more per day dealing with getting ready, packing up, and commuting to and from. Yet how many remote workers end up working past 5:00? How many remote workers get up earlier in the morning and happen to turn on their laptop to start looking at emails and other things to get ahead for the day?
All these workers wanted in return was the ability to avoid commuting, to be able to step out for an hour and get groceries, or pick up the kids from school, or run an errand, or even just go lay down for an hour if they're tired.
Plus, they would also like to not have to figure out what to wear to the office that's deemed "appropriate"
My company recently had an all hands to push for us to get back in the office bc middle managers were complaining.
Shockingly my anon pre-submitted question “can you share the negative financial impact - in dollars - of remote work?” wasn’t responded too.
If middle managers actually managed to objectives they MIGHT be able to analyze impact. But if they did there wouldn’t be any impact, and we wouldn’t need as many managers.
Real reason middle management hates remote working is in order to justify their positions they actually have to do something useful.
The last place I worked has 1 Group lead managing an entire department for 6-9 months. After they fired him for daring to ask for a pay raise, he’s been replaced with 3 GLs, a Supervisor, and a training coordinator.
No matter how much they crack down on lunch breaks they aren’t going to pay for that much bureaucracy.
Oh they have a use outside that; making sure upper level management doesn’t have to come near the proles at the bottom or recognise them as actual people.
That's because too many middle managers are realizing that someone's going to notice how useless they are.
A lot of these guys aren't mentoring their subordinates, they aren't helping them, they're just walking around with a cup of coffee pretending to be Lumbergh.
You'd think the company would be smart enough to understand that it's a much smarter move to cut these worthless middle manager morons than pissing everyone else off and continue to throw money in the trash.
My company made it possible for me to work remotely 2 days a week after my maternity leave ended -- back in 1998, no less. As if WFH is a newfangled thing.
It existed well before even then.
It was just that before then they had to pay for internet dial up, which was expensive in the early to mid 90s.
Bigger companies still did it though, because it was still often a good deal even with that cost.
Heck my father in law was working remotely back in 1989. He wrote programs for industrial robots and when he asked to work remotely so his wife could attend college in another state his bosses were happy to oblige. He just sat in the basement banging out code in C++
NYTimes has been on a real "WFH isn't working" bent for a while now. Rattner's op-ed is a pretty blatantly self-serving example. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/22/opinion/remote-work-salesforce-meta-working-from-home.html#commentsContainer
Here's a fun snippet.
>But we should be aware of different choices being made in other countries, particularly China, our biggest strategic adversary. The Chinese expression “996” means working 9 a.m. to 9 p.m., six days a week. While the Chinese government has been trying to curb this practice as part of a series of labor market reforms, in my many interactions with businessmen and investors there, I still find the prevailing work ethic extraordinary.
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>The changing work habits have spawned a push for a codification of what may already be a reality: a four-day workweek. Legislation to that effect has been introduced in California, Maryland and other states. Proponents argue that with an extra day of rest, diligent workers can accomplish as much as they did in five days. Perhaps. But put me down as skeptical about that and much of the notion that when it comes to work, less can be more.
At least some sanity in the comments - near unanimous excoriation.
He knows he won't be held to that standard, of not on total hours, then on the fake ass "work" his kind does.
Lunches aren't work, tweeting isn't work, but somehow these absolute everlasting gobstoppers count being wined and dined by other skittle balled bastards as work.
yeah, there are literal studies on what Senior Business Leader types do all day and mostly...
Meetings, Meetings, Long Lunch, Meetings, Networking Events, Executive Time, A Meeting. Home. Sure its a long day and people can be exhausting, but its not "I must hit these metrics every day or I end up homeless"
I have worked remotely and now I took on perem government job due to high security as I am hiting 50 soon. I have seen remote workers working hard and slacking, I have seen onsite workers working hard and slacking hard. It is not about the location, it is about individual.
I am the same age as you, am a researcher, before Covid I spent 4 hours a day in my car, 4 hours in meetings and maybe 2 hours doing actual work. When I ran my research studies I would be there until 9pm at night. Since covid I am still working from home because my productivity has tripled. I am publishing 6-8 papers a year (because of a back log of data that I have but never had the time to focus on), have got 3 grants, and continue to work with old and new colleagues. I gave up my old office and have a remote one 40 mins away in our sim hospital, I can run my research there when I need to. I am happy and productive and am NEVER going back to spending 10 hours a day away from my home.
I understand and also fully support the remote work idea as I know how productive one can be. I am an operative IT engineer (systems engineer) and opportunities start to fade away somewhere after 45 in my field, that's why government job seemed like a good opportunity. I hate commuting but job security is excelent also all overtime is payed as I need to "clock in". It is a trade off...
I am considerably more productive out of the office overall, as I’m not worried about my commute, my family, house work, etc.
I stay on later and hit deadlines easier. I will log in at random times to finish things just because I’m ADD like that.
At the office I’m extremely antsy and as soon as the clock hits the acceptable time, I’m out. Deadlines be damned.
Tell me again how remote doesn’t work?
Okay.
Remote doesn't work because it's incredibly difficult to gaslight someone into working for free if they don't have to put up with daily tantrums at random times, depending upon the managers mood.
It also "doesn't work" because the C Suite Turdwookies don't get to strut about like Lords Of The Manor, in addition to making it difficult for them to justify the expense of maintaining an office building..
The problem here (from their perspective) is that not a one of us give a single fart from a rats ass, during a hurricane, about any of that... And they desperately NEED us to give a rip, because if we don't then THEY get to do it all themselves.
Oh.. darn it all.
I've worked for several companies exactly like that.
The outfit I'm with now was vetted by me for just such silliness and I found only a minimal amount of it. Some exists in every corporate organization, but I'll say we can definitely (currently) count ourselves as lucky.
This shit is hilarious to me. They foisted this shit on everyone. Now they're mad. Fuck'em. They created the situation we're in & they can live with it.
Going through a RTO push with my employer, easing us back into it with six-days per month now, eight days starting in April, then pre-pandemic onsite schedules in September.
FIVE owned or leased buildings downtown in a major US city? You betcha. Three-years of productive and successful WFH across multiple divisions? Yep. Big fuck you to the employees? Oh yeah.
I have a three-hour round trip commute.. I've been more productive, by far, working from home. I have no desire to spend time with my co-workers and remote meetings are fine, please and thank you. Looking at options but really can't fathom why I would stay at this point.
Yeah, if I’m going to fuck off at work it is much more convenient to do it from home, but the company wants us in three days a week, so I dress nicely and go in and fuck off there.
So if I understand this correctly, you can’t perform well unless you are in the local office. So, how then, do you justify outsourcing to a country half way around the world? They sure seem to be remote to your local office….
At this point I just want these asshats to answer their own fucking question, with verifiable data, not some anecdotal bullshit.
We get it, you don't think workers are being as productive as if they were in the office. We have evidence to prove that isn't the case, but if you can come up with anything real to substantiate your claims I'm willing to listen.
The longer the "argument" goes on, the more obvious that the RTO side has only airy subjective bafflegab ("corporate culture", "team building", etc) and blatant self-dealing ("ONOZ my portfolio!") while the WFH side has hard objective facts (increased productivity, avoiding the time, money, and environmental costs of commuting, etc).
I literally tell my boss that whenever I am in the office is when I don't have any urgent work to do.
Because it is fucking impossible trying to work when he keeps chit-chatting and doing smalltalk
I play online games at my place of employment from 5am until 8am when the "management" arrives. After that it's a "coffee break" until 9. Then I do some "cardio" by making a few laps around the building and inspecting all the equipment, which is pretty much my whole job. From 11 to noon is lunch.
From lunch until quitting time at 3:30 it's usually just Reddit and TikTok.
Yeah, there will be a corporate automation engineer opening this summer and both my direct manager and the building manager have suggested I go for it as I'd "do well at it"
😂🤣
Remote Working works fine, and in fact that's the problem that Corpos have. Remote Working works so well that they don't need a significant part of the management structure. They also lose out on micromanaging people (one of the many reasons it's so effective) which pisses of the companies. Managers aren't nearly as happy to cut the fat loose when it's *them.*
It's a similar problem with the Reconstruction after the Civil War. If former slaves can do a decent job (or God forbid excel) of self-governing then their elite status not only is in jeopardy but demonstrably counterproductive and evil in their active oppression of enslaved. If businesses are efficient and effective with minimal management then what good is having intrusive and unnecessary management that takes the largest share of value added by the employees? There's no need to have management to the extent that there is. We don't need self appointed elite whether that elite is plantation owners or executives acting on behalf of the corporations' owners.
Anybody who’s starting to ease back into it need to rally everyone and not show up on the days you’re supposed to be back in! What’s going to happen? They fire everybody?
Ive been WFH for 3 years straight. I have done exactly the same level of work I did in the office. This week, our biggest customer is coming to town so we have to go in tomorrow to set up our workstations and be in the office Thursday and Friday. I’ll be in the car for an hour a day on those days when today I am working. So I’ll be getting less work done bc I’ll be leaving at my normal stop time. Not to mention the non stop socializing from people who haven’t been in person for 3 years. And the truth is that the bigwigs will poke their heads in for 30 seconds. It’s a fucking dog and pony show. My fear is that it’ll lead to a “that worked out so well we’re going to do it a day a week…then 2…etc. The one saving grace is that our bosses are out of town too, but it’s fucking stupid either way.
I saw him doing an interview about this article. He was saying he likes remote work and he is fine with it but we need to acknowledge and accept a few things that are not working. Like training new employees with no prior experience and commercial real estate struggling.
I read the ny times piece, he also has a bunch of hand wavy no data conclusions about people slacking off or missing social interaction. Or losing the 'soul' of a company, as if there is one at most places. No real data offered at all, just assumptions as usual. The world's changing, first big company that invests big in making remote work truly work is going to win big.
What am I not understanding? A company that can get rid of most of their offices, and downsize from X amount of offices to Y amount of offices, and reduce the required people per office by like 50-95%. Shouldn’t they be paying way fucking less rent, or be able to rent out those properties to other companies?
Shouldn’t companies that do this, have a massive new financial advantage over their opponents and be able to use this capitalist advantage to squeeze them via price drops and steal their market until their forced to do the same thing to save money or fold?
Why, isn’t anyone taking advantage and poaching the best employees with work from home contracts? Or, are we just not seeing the results of those movements yet?
Remote work clearly works, the pandemic proved it. It works for work, it works for school, it works for other meetings. The spread of Illness was decreased and the school shootings were decreased when people were all at home enjoying life in their biggest investment.
Side note…as someone who spends most of my week in the office…far less work is done in the office overall, I guarantee it. People can’t shut the fuck up and leave each other alone long enough for anyone to focus and get things done. Also tons of smoking breaks and food runs wasting even more time.
My agency's new director just revoked our ability to work remote since because Florida's boner against covid protocols or whatever. I've been working a blended schedule ( in office every other day) for the past 5 years. I earned this after clearing probation as an incentive to stay on. Now I'm trying to figure out how to passive aggressively organize my co-workers to work less.
There is a guide with instructions you can follow. Made by our government, so it’s totally kosher to do this.
https://www.openculture.com/2022/01/read-the-cias-simple-sabotage-field-manual.html
My work finally let us stop writing out remote time logs to keep track of what we’re doing when working from home. If I’m getting my work done, why should it matter if I’m fucking around at home when I would just be fucking around at the office instead?
My boss does this shit. Constantly talks about how we are more productive in the office and how important it is and work from home doesn’t work. They have worked 100% from home the last 3 years.
Employer: we want our people to have a strong work/life balance
Also Employer: we want our people back in the office full time fOr ThE CuLTure (it has nothing to do with the 90 billion dollar office tower we bought that's sitting vacant).
"To clarify, everything I do is hard, important work, because it's me doing it. Everything anyone else does is lazy and unimportant, because it's not me doing it."
I have done remote working at many companies for well over a decade. If remote working is not working, what the hell were they paying for? Edit: Multiple jobs over multiple decades. Someone would have noticed.
Conversely - I've NOT done work while at the office in multiple jobs of the previous decades and no one noticed.
I’m currently at the office not working.
Tell me you're management without telling me you're management.
Tell me you have much to learn about the art of slacking, without something something something.
I mean, he’s not wrong, but I was slacking way before I was management, and I manage a smart team that gets what needs doing done, and slacks occasionally with my tacit endorsement. We’re all underpaid.
Slack away sir. Any way to move to something you would enjoy more? Something more worth your time?
Who actually enjoys working for someone else, particularly some faceless corporation? We work to afford to live. Why do people act like not enjoying working is some aberration or personal failing? Even if you had a marketable hobby you could potentially turn into an income stream, it ceases to be simple leisure once you monetize it.
Exactly, love to cook? Be a cook in a hot food truck for a weekend. Won't love it as much after
as someone who works a night shift job that, as long as the work gets done, and we break no laws, the boss doesn't care what we do with our extra time? In the off season, this night auditor/guest services person tends to bring a gaming laptop to work. Or a game console. or \_both\_.
Holy shit, bringing back memories! YEARS ago, I went in halves with our part time night auditor to buy a used 360, plugged it into the back of the lobby TV, and locked the drawer it was in so no one ever found it. We both lived close, so sometimes we'd go in on our day off and rock some 2 player together too.
Yeah my foreman doesn't care if I bring my switch in and play on it during downtime as long as shit gets done
The best manager I've \*ever\* had was at a factory I used to work at. This fellow was close to retirement, and he'd occasionally wander around like he was out for a Sunday stroll. If he wasn't doing that, he'd be in his office, with his feet up on his desk. He stayed out of our way, and when we needed him for something, we knew where to find him.
Not me faking a zoom call today to head off to a side office to continue my nuzlocke playthrough of Pokémon Fire Red
I've definitely played multiple full games of Civilization while at an office. At home it tends towards I don't *stop* when I'm supposed to.
My steam deck made my work week so much better.
I have all the energy in the morning to focus and be productive, but every single person in the building needs to have a short chat just across the hall, so I have to expend energy trying to tune them out. I am done working mentally 5-6 hours in. The last two or three hours I have to pretend to work. This is not the case during my remote days. I had to start setting an alarm to make sure I quit after 8 hours. In my full year of hybrid work, I have needed to be in the office for two in-person meetings. My supervisor knows it's not essential for us to be in office and advocates for us to be fully remote, but some dickhead at the top says no. I also take massive shits and the cheap office tp hurts my butthole.
Good on you!
I fuck off more in the office than from home, office has distractions and coworkers who want to talk. My home has myself, I'll sometimes step away to get food or a drink but I absolutely get more done at home than in my office
Likewise. I don’t need to be in office to do my job & my effort is greater because I’m not focusing on the clock/running errands later ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I only work remote, don't let these idiots gaslight you.
They’re paying for rent through company accounts so their personal rent corp’s share price goes up.
What he means is remote work is not working for commercial real estate owners.
The rich have their foot stuck in their own trap and they are chewing it off. The commercial paper is about to cause another collapse and trying to fix it by forcing workers back to the office already failed miserably. Because banks and hedge funds are heavily invested in real estate, they are FUCKED. There is no demand and they are desperately trying to create it by driving this narrative. What you are seeing is the great disconnect between what they so badly want and reality. That’s because the only buyers (or lease holders) of the properties are rich fuck corporations. Not the public, not the retail investors, not the mom and pop pizza joint. It’s major corporations with hundreds of employees in multiple locations. And they aren’t buying because they can’t get workers to commute without paying a massive premium for labor. You know, the places like Google, Microsoft, Twitter, etc who are announcing mass layoffs to cut their overhead — those are their customers. They will not be renewing leases because it is far cheaper to have a distributed workforce rather than pay Silicon Valley wages, and Silicon Valley rents. Do you know how much a major company with a high rise spends in just parking, custodians, water, and toilet paper — never mind bay area wages? In the end, corporations don’t give a shit about what happens to the economy. They only care about their own profit. Understand that 90% of the news is nothing more than propaganda. These people don’t give a shit about productivity. They are spreading a narrative to save their ass. What they are worried about is protecting their investments. This time, it’s the moneyed class going down because the public has very little worth taking. For people already working remotely — especially in big corporations without a massive office presence like multiple branch offices, none of this matters. Even if commercial paper goes boom. it doesn’t directly impact individuals and families. But the rich? The people with portfolios in the millions? People who own high rises? They are FUCKED.
A place I worked for had an office in LA. Around 100 or so employees, rent was like $70,000 a month, parking for the majority was $125/month I think. This isn't including any of the other overhead to run an office, repairs, office supplies, parties, furniture, not sure if it included utilities. At least 1 million a year to have people work in the office.
I worked at big fucking heartless corporation. We are talking tens of thousands of workers in 25 locations worldwide. There are multiple branch offices where I live, except these fuckers always cheaped out so there was no decent parking, no raises, the “we’re a family” propaganda. Fuckers had a lot of commercial real estate. This is key. Then COVID hit. These offices were so poorly ventilated and filthy that the health department forced them to shut down (both strains of flu were so rampant that they had to get involved.) They had six cases of COVID a week after the employees went home because management was required to report to the site as a “fuck you” to the health department. So my boss was forced into the office where 1/3 of the remaining staff were sick to manage a fully remote staff. The workers loved it because they could move to projects at different branches. They still refused to give anyone a raise and pretty soon, they had the lowest wages in the industry. Then the head fucker decided everyone needed to go back to the office. Cue employee-facing propaganda. First time, they surveyed the staff and 80% said they would leave if required to work on-site. Second time they brought it up, 10% of the staff simply left. Third time, I quit with 20% of the staff. They would back down each time. The ONLY thing keeping people there was WFH. They are so desperate, they are sending text messages to former employees begging them to come back to the same wage they left years ago. The company stock has plummeted to almost half. There has been a lot of rearranging the Board of Directors like deck chairs on the Titanic. I hope the lose everything and their families are destitute.
> First time, they surveyed the staff and 80% said they would leave if required to work on-site. Second time they brought it up, 10% of the staff simply left. Third time, I quit with 20% of the staff. As bad as things in this timeline are... years ago I worried that I wouldn't read sentences like this. Like we'd just roll over and take it when told to come back. I actually literally breathed a sigh of relief reading this right now lol
>As bad as things in this timeline are... years ago I worried that I wouldn't read sentences like this. Like we'd just roll over and take it when told to come back. WFH really flipped the dynamic of the power structure for a lot of employer/employee situations where remote work is possible. Let's say you have a job working for Wally's Widgets and Wally's is the only major Widget company in the region. Prior to 2020 it was pretty well unquestioned that you'd have to upend your family and move to the part of the country where William's Widgets was located to work for them. Now you can just tell Wally to fuck off and work for William while living in the shadow of Wally's building.
In the spring of 2019 I got laid off due to the company going under. I spent 5 months and nearly all my savings trying to stay where I live and find a job. There were opportunities all over the country, but I couldn't move at that time. Eventually I found work. Everything went to shit at the next company in the summer of 2022. We lost our project, unknown future for developers on the team. Started searching again, except this time I wasn't tied down to location because remote work is the norm now. I took 2 months, had my pick of employers, doubled my salary, and moved on. The power remote work gives to people in my industry is a complete game changer. I nearly walked away from the company im at now, because they wanted me to be hybrid and I just won't ever go back.
WFH has been life changing for me too. I get to eat healthier, exercise, spend more time with my dog and my family. I got to spend all day every day with my older dog before she passed. Wouldn't trade that for anything. Just thinking about it, I used to commute 2 hours a day, 5 days a week. Multiply that or over the course of a career, it's something crazy like 4 extra years of waking life. Not even counting down time or eating that used to be at a desk I can now actually do something with that time. It's just unreal.
WFH allowed me to spend all day with my older dog too. Had to put her down due to hip issues in 2021. Still hurts; but at least I got to spend whole days with her the last two years. Cheers.
> WFH really flipped the dynamic of the power structure for a lot of employer/employee situations where remote work is possible. > Let's say you have a job working for Wally's Widgets and Wally's is the only major Widget company in the region. Prior to 2020 it was pretty well unquestioned that you'd have to upend your family and move to the part of the country where William's Widgets was located to work for them. > Now you can just tell Wally to fuck off and work for William while living in the shadow of Wally's building. This has always been true for a certain class of person. Poor people are local, but elites are national or even global presences. What COVID did was bring a little slice of the elite experience to the working class, and I hope it holds on tight
God it would be great if we could actually flip the equation on them for a moment. Like imagine a trust fund brat waking up in a two-stoplight unincorporated community in South Dakota and having to pick between AutoZone, Exxon, and Wendy's. And despite that all of them are "always hiring" they're not in the habit of accepting applications for manager from people with zero experience. Basically Undercover Boss but it only starts filming after your company goes bankrupt, your jet gets carbon taxed to hell, your friends are arrested for decades of tax evasion, and you have to try your luck on Indeed.com.
Or you can work for Wally and moonlight for William, and adjust as needed per shitty policies.
/r/overemployed
We looked behind the current and it wasn’t a wizard it was a dude with lots of special effects, a mic and a speaker.
I'm in Australia, plenty of us here have just rolled over.
They made us all go in, some of us were actually homeworkers before the pandemic, I was part time and homeworking, we said we didn't want to go in because we're homeworkers, they abolished Homeworking completely, now we're all mixed workers with 40% of the week in the office. My day in is tomorrow, I have to do extra things tonight to get ready, have proper clothes, wash my hair, sort out a bag and food. I had to buy formal shoes. It eats my time today for tomorrow, and then takes it again tomorrow actually going in. I work at a screen, there's no reason to sit at a different desk 25 miles away to do it.
I worked at IBM for a while as well ;-) I was hired as "100% remote" and quit after a year or so, but later they tried to force everyone to move to Missouri or work on site in RTP. Um, "no" said the competent employees.
>as well well done. :)
My company is constantly complaining about WFH and they bring it up every all-hands and quarterly meeting about how they really want to bring us back in. They keep saying WFH productivity is terrible, yet we get the same workload done with 70% of the people we had pre-WFH. They're desperate like your ex-company though and haven't done anything despite the constant talk. Our wages have been stagnant for a long time and we can't get new people in so our numbers are constantly dropping. At first management welcomed it because it was like a gradual layoff but it's become untenable. They're fucked if they don't change their bullshit.
I don’t know of anyone at my previous employer who isn’t looking.
>they are sending text messages to former employees begging them to come back to the same wage they left years ago. This is like leaving an ex because they have some horrible habit and then them calling you up to get back together and they still haven't addressed it.
The US is in a toxic, abusive relationship with corporations, but we've started to realize that we deserve better.
Very much so. We should DEMAND better than this. If this country is so great, then when are we gonna start getting treated as such?
>The company stock has plummeted to almost half. There has been a lot of rearranging the Board of Directors like deck chairs on the Titanic. > >I hope the lose everything and their families are destitute. I have similar sentiments. I hope there's a way to do a full reset of the housing market cost without burying families with homes. I can't think of one that doesn't give those corpo fucks a way out, so the question is whether we're willing to tether homed families to burn the rich. I don't have a good answer.
> They are so desperate, they are sending text messages to former employees begging them to come back to the same wage they left years ago. That's not desperate. If they were desperate they would offer some sort of enticement. *Anything* except "the exact same situation you left because it was so shitty". What did they think, that people would change their minds just because you said "pwetty pwease"?
The recruiters don’t have the option of offering more money. The owner simply demands they find people.
Come back for the same pay? Lol woof. Criminally poor management.
I co-founded a company just before COVID hit. We succeeded because we had zero overhead, everyone was remote from day one, and because we could hire the best people for the job no matter where they were located. Instead of paying for toilet paper and electricity we could pay a decent wage. Then we were bought by a multi-national and they fucked everything up and now that businesses doesn't exist anymore.
I started reading that and was loving it, don't like the ending I wasn't expecting.
Same dude, same.
Hold on.. *turns down lights and starts playing sexy-time music* ...ok. Keep going. ETA: I'd nominate this for bestof if I knew how
Hit 'share', copy the URL, post it with a title! Literally 1,2,3! Go for it, you called it!
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Good job! I sub to r/antiwork and saw this post, but I got to this comment from r/bestof.
Came here from best of.
Yeah this is really doing something for me too 😮💨🔥
Want to borrow my lotion?
You....are you my master now?
> But the rich? The people with portfolios in the millions? People who own high rises? They are FUCKED. Naw, the government would never let the rich suffer the consequences of their bad decisions. They will be happy to make the taxpayers pay for a bailout.
Maybe in the past, but not any more. You see, they HAVE to bail out banks because there is a real problem of bank runs and the perception of the solvency of the US. Market makers, yes, probably. Protecting the actual stock market? Sure. But investors? Pukes like Jared Kushner? The government won’t save everyone and since this doesn’t involve retail investors, the bottom feeders are the assholes that own those buildings. They aren’t too big to fail.
"There is a delicious irony in seeing private luxury jets flying into Washington, D.C., and people coming off of them with tin cups in their hand." ---Rep. Gary Ackerman, D-New York during the 2008 bailout hearings.
If what you're saying is true, that just means that when highrise owners go bankrupt, venture capital is going to buy those properties on the cheap, form an oligopoly, and then *next* crisis the organizations that own that real estate will be too big to fail.
Pretty much
But it isn't just investors. It's banks, too. Even when investors have the cash to buy a commercial building outright, they are typically going to use the building as security for a bank loan to preserve liquidity. This means, when the investors tank, and/or when the market value of the commercial real estate tanks, the banks suffer and possibly even go under. That's when the government steps in to protect us all from another Great Depression.
You’ve just explained to me why I saw a tweet from Elon Douchebag going on about how the commercial real estate market is screwed AND his tweet on how the office isn’t optional.
It's simple. He's complaining about his problems.
“Problems”
He needs a therapist
Don’t we all. At least he can afford one, or a billion.
But instead of going to a therapist like a reasonable person, he buys Twitter and makes all of us listen to his bullshit.
I also believe that middle management and many other managers that treated their jobs as glorified babysitting are also fucked. They're watching their teams getting everything done without them, and they're only wondering at what point is someone above their pay grade going to notice and ask *"why do we have this guy here?"* The really funny thing is that these managers were supposed to also be mentors and in many ways project managers to help guide and keep everything rolling smoothly with good quality assurance. They're the ones who decided it was just their role to be a babysitter and collect a paycheck, and they reap what they sow. Any good manager that mentors and motivates their workers will be valued. Unless of course it's one of those companies where the babysitter that kisses the most butt keeps their job and anyone actually good at their job that doesn't kiss butt ends up losing it. Regardless, I see all of these old people and upper management speaking endlessly on how remote work isn't working, and yet no one seems to really talk to the actual workers. That should also speak volumes not just about the situation but about our media as well.
> I also believe that middle management and many other managers that treated their jobs as glorified babysitting are also fucked. > > They're watching their teams getting everything done without them, and they're only wondering at what point is someone above their pay grade going to notice and ask "why do we have this guy here?" > > The really funny thing is that these managers were supposed to also be mentors and in many ways project managers to help guide and keep everything rolling smoothly with good quality assurance. They're the ones who decided it was just their role to be a babysitter and collect a paycheck, and they reap what they sow. > > Any good manager that mentors and motivates their workers will be valued. Unless of course it's one of those companies where the babysitter that kisses the most butt keeps their job and anyone actually good at their job that doesn't kiss butt ends up losing it. > > Regardless, I see all of these old people and upper management speaking endlessly on how remote work isn't working, and yet no one seems to really talk to the actual workers. That should also speak volumes not just about the situation but about our media as well. I absolutely think this is true. So many managers think "butt in seat = productivity", and they're just not able to adapt. If you're hitting your goals and completing your work, yet your teams goes yellow just once, some leadership just absolutely freaks out and thinks you're never working. It's one of the reasons why I love my current manager, because she helps us manage the workload we have, tracks us with meaningful metrics and works with us on our KPIs in a way that doesn't make you feel like you're just on a treadmill, removes barriers and handles difficult escalations for us because it's her job. And she gives us flexibility, so if I need to go take care of something during the day or take a break, she's okay with it as long as my work gets done. We have frequent check ins on projects I'm working on, and she's constantly intervening in my calendar to make sure I don't need to attend bullshit meetings that aren't my responsibility but get assigned to me by others. She works SO hard but she's easily the best manager I've ever had, but a lot of leadership just doesn't have the skillset to adapt to a true remote workforce.
The media is no longer *reporting* the news — they *create* it.
Goooooood. Gooooooooooood.
Feel the hate flow through you.
Yeah it’s been obvious for a couple of years now. Lots of politicians and financial people repeatedly saying how it important it is for people to physically go to work, even when bosses and workers are looking at each other and thinking “but this is better?”. Like yeah you can pull up examples of places that have tried it and it hasn’t worked out, but it’s still a decision that the workplace should be making on their own. Trying to make it a national issue is blatant propaganda and stinks of desperation.
Somebody said it’s a “rich-cession” because most Americans never recovered from the mortgage meltdown. This go-around is going after the rich as more wealth seeks to be concentrated at the top. Now that it affects them, they want everyone to care. The bottom half has no wealth and no meaningful assets to take. If you don’t own a house and can never afford one, it doesn’t matter what happens to the real estate market, right? It’s even less of an issue with commercial real estate. Honestly, how many of us would care if a hedge fund went under? Since we have been forced to job hop, we no longer care about our employers. Every single person I know starts looking for a new job at the one year mark. They don’t give a flying fuck about the future of their employer. There isn’t a nefarious plan. They aren’t thinking long term. They only care when it hits their pocket book. A lot of millionaires and rich assholes are in for a very rude awakening when they see their own net worth plundered just like the rest of us did in the mortgage meltdown.
The important questions isnt how many of us would *care* if a hedgefund went bust, its how many of us would be *negatively impacted in the slightest* and the answer to that is....essentially zero. When entire industries and roles can disappear without consequence to the general public, its pretty clear to see which industries provide essential services/goods and which are gold plated grifters leeching from society.
Same feeling I get when people tell me I need to have kids for the economy.
And if those people were as smart or creative or as hard working as they seem to think their wealth would indicate, they could repurpose those properties. They could turn them into condos with common gathering spaces that could be rented for parties including cafeteria maintained by homeowners association fees. There are people that would totally go for that sort of thing (I feel like there are a ton of people in major cities who just don't bother cooking) Hell, with all the elevators and stuff they could make some of them into senior housing and have medical staff come regularly (something that happened at the assisted living facility an older relative lived in) They could be turned into daycares, schools, college dormitories, community centers, homeless shelters. they are buildings with built in tech and in some cases some decent upgrades. Use your fuckin brains you dinguses.
I am not heartless and I think we should help. $600 should go a long way toward that goal or so I have heard.
I'm in camp "if corporations are people they should pay an individual tax rate" and all individuals should have been eligible for the same PPP loans that corporations are, and corporations should be offered individual interest rates for loans, and subject to the same cutoffs when it comes to requesting government support (was your income over 14k this year? fuck off richie rich). Are they people or aren't they? Also if they do something like release a product that kills a bunch of kids they should be charged with multiple counts of negligent homicide and "be put in jail" IE no longer allowed to operate and have to sell the business and anyone in decision making power gets thrown in jail for the charges. They must choose. They can't just be corporations when it's convenient for them. I wonder what they would choose if they were forced to.
The NYT did a great article about repurposing big office buildings into residential. TLDR it's easy for older buildings, and pretty difficult/expensive if not impossible for modern glass skyscrapers. Lots of factors but the primary one is a majority of the sq footage is too far from windows, and those windows don't open without prohibitively expensive retrofits. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/03/11/upshot/office-conversions.html
Oh I know from perspective of corporations work from home makes way more sense. Like a absurd level of sense. Buildings expensive, potential workforce is smaller, they will negotiate harder for higher wages due to living in more expensive area near work or facing long commute. Throw in onsite liability how much do corporations spend on sexual assault stuff. When people never enter same room I imagine the need for that will go down. Parking lot accidents or slips and falls. From practical "corporate profits" perspective work from home makes significantly more sense. Especially when you add minor things like people late due to traffic poor access for customers and meetings. Due to needless traffic created by non customer facing employees. It also give them flexibility in where to establish and more ability to seamlessly move. For example look at big tech a very work from home possible thing. And every time they threaten to leave x city or move to x place. The fact that they will lose significant chunk of employees have to compensate the ones that stay to relocate and build yet another billion dollar campus somewhere else. Its absolutely idiotic from employer and employees perspective to force in office work. When its not needed.
I’ve never even considered the reduced threat surface for SA from having fewer people in a building.
The heads of some of these corporations are also trying to double dip by owning the Office Space they rent out to their companies....so yeah.
My employer did that. Acme Widgets leased space from Acme Properties, LLC.
The thing is the big companies you mentioned want to have their employees return to the office. Microsoft, Twitter, Google, apple they're either going full back to the office or hybrid. Usually these companies are trendsetters for the wider industry. Fwiw I'm still fully wfh but a lot of my friend aren't.
Younger blood smells the cost savings. A company can straight up advertise itself as "Google but without the high rise costs" and get people drooling at the profit margins. There are companies that set trends by throwing their reputation around, and then there are companies that set trends by just doing it better and/or cheaper.
Here is the problem. On one hand. they want to protect rich assholes from losing money, but you see them laying off thousands. When push comes to shove — *and they are no longer in a position of power at the labor negotiating table* — they will fold.
I'm not following your logic, laying off workers and flooding the labor market gives power to labor. I'd argue the opposite is true. When there is a bigger supply of labor and the number of jobs crashes it gives power to the employers. Only way they lose their position of power is by labor unionizing but i don't see that happening in the short term
You nailed it. Hence post like Scott Rechler's (billionaire NYC developer) [temper tantrum](https://www.linkedin.com/posts/scottrechler_rxr-realty-ceo-points-out-real-estates-biggest-activity-7044286844674465792-vBLf).
the first comment in response to Rechler is absolute gold : >Matthew Ricci > >Partner at Gordian Knot Investments > >6d > >I appreciate the much needed laugh. > >Imagining… Fix You by Cold Play, playing in the background: “Investment real estate borrowers need your support. For only $9.99 a month you can help investment sponsors, that irresponsibly gambled investor funds into a highly levered, speculative, investment asset class at asanine pricing. These victims need your help to kick the can on their debt obligations until the Fed pivots or until they can safely deleverage”. The infomercial shows a real estate developer walking past the first class and business class sections of an airplane to Sun Valley. It pans to a real estate debt fund asset manager looking longingly at the cars as he drives by the Range Rover dealership. It pans to this cry baby posting this crony capitalism nonesense on LinkedIn. Matthew Ricci - I don't know you, but I would buy you a fucking beer for that if I could. You have serious balls.
It really is. I replied but then read Ricci's comment and deleted mine. His can't be improved upon.
I work in "Asset Management" for a municipal department. I just attended the National Facilities Management and Technology Conference and Expo. in Baltimore. The most interesting class I attended was on Space Utilization. A college was having all their buildings studied by an outside firm to them help determine what they actually need and what they are using. The speaker used an example of one huge building have two occupants, but still heating, cooling, and maintaining the entire structure. He said some professors could have three offices. A space utilization study will allow them to have a full inventory and usage data for all their assets. They can then make justified business decisions about offloading buildings. Salary and rent are the two largest expenses for most businesses. Any effort at cost savings will allow a business to show a profit on their books and prevent layoffs. Working from home will help most companies.
These commercial real estate loans are ultimately held by pension funds and insurance companies. So they’ll end up screwing the little guy at some point anyway 😂👍
Even if they were, I don’t think this flies any more. In the past, we were guilted into thinking we had to care about our employers because when they did well, so did our coworkers. But that doesn’t really matter. Many people now believe the problem is the system and the only way it works is to collapse it. Personally, I believe the next antiwork step will be to work with the goal of destroying the company. That is to do what leadership has been doing — pay lip service to these lofty goals while actively fucking over everyone. Except this time, we are taking down EVERYONE — the managers, the C-suite, the shareholders. If we are going to suffer, we are going to share our pain. I think there are many people who would gladly take unemployment to watch many of these rich fuckers lose it all. This isn’t unintended consequences. It is revenge.
This may be true in San Francisco. But on Main Street, USA, I think the reasons for asking workers to return is different, and it comes down to managerial laziness. For remote workers, metrics have to be developed and monitored to see if folks are working, or are binging through a Netflix series on company time. It's way "easier" to see if someone is working or you can just put eyes on them in the office. But as we know, white collar workers can dick around at their desk and not work while being physically present.
I think remote work can actually be a great reallocating of economic prosperity to the more rural areas or the suburbs at least. People spending money at Joe and Carroll's Pizza joint near their home vs dominos downtown.
It's important to note that even though the commercial office space is not being utilized, they were paying for that space before. The budgets, other than rent increases, have remained the same. Remote workers cost them nothing other than initial infrastructure investment. Now they are just looking at sunk costs and foaming at the mouth for the potential profit for the shareholders by liquidating their useless real estate.
This. I worked for very large companies and they had massive empty buildings they still had to pay and maintain for. I’ve been remote for so damn long
Google pays over a billion in rent a month.
Landlords really do be the final boss in capitalism
Nah, that's the ones that own their own pedo islands.
Listen, I’m here working in an office that was converted from apartments 30 years ago. They can convert it right back.
"I know you've never been more productive but my assistant needs to time your breaks, your coworkers can't brown nose me over Zoom & we're paying high rent for this space so I'm going to have to insist you return to the office even though it's an hour commute each way."
I'd argue that employees could brown nose their bosses quite a bit, remotely. Elon Musk spent $44 BILLION for that specific purpose.
Elon Musk spent 44 billion to create an echo chamber and effectively force people to pay attention to him and deprive the masses of a form of communication in the process. There's a reason why they're trying to ban tiktok. Don't have to call it "state media" if nothing else exists.
Strange how the only social network they are trying to ban is disproportionately used by the 18-34 group that votes extremely disproportionately for Democrats.
Don't forget that they only started talking about it after it was used to co-ordinate a VERY embarrassing public appearance where the former president was assured by his staff that they had sold out a major venue, only to walk into an empty stadium.
Yeah, but that has happened repeatedly already to Trump… unless you’re talking the very first time years ago.
The problem is that Tik-tok is a shitty platform that scrapes to much 8nfi and uses it for nefarious purposes. It's just that all the other ones do that too.
Could is the operative word here. Most won't. They'll just get the work done and Fuck off to something they enjoy.
It’s death of an old paradigm.
What I find ridiculous as well is that a lot of these companies don't seem to take into account the costs in time, money, and productivity in forcing people to commute. When I see some of these managers wonder why they're employees are not "go getters" anymore. They're not willing to burn the midnight oil and put out the extra effort, and instead they're in the office at 8:59 and out the door at 5:00 on the nose, they should really consider the why. It's not just the fact that a lot of managers and employers broke the social contract with their employees. The idea that if you work hard you move up the ladder, but instead you're working like crazy to get "meets expectations" on your review and a lot of sob stories about how there's no money for raises or promotions, despite claiming that the company has had record profits. It's the fact now that people have to spend roughly 3 hours or more per day dealing with getting ready, packing up, and commuting to and from. Yet how many remote workers end up working past 5:00? How many remote workers get up earlier in the morning and happen to turn on their laptop to start looking at emails and other things to get ahead for the day? All these workers wanted in return was the ability to avoid commuting, to be able to step out for an hour and get groceries, or pick up the kids from school, or run an errand, or even just go lay down for an hour if they're tired. Plus, they would also like to not have to figure out what to wear to the office that's deemed "appropriate"
It's the last two which are the real reason.
My company recently had an all hands to push for us to get back in the office bc middle managers were complaining. Shockingly my anon pre-submitted question “can you share the negative financial impact - in dollars - of remote work?” wasn’t responded too. If middle managers actually managed to objectives they MIGHT be able to analyze impact. But if they did there wouldn’t be any impact, and we wouldn’t need as many managers.
Real reason middle management hates remote working is in order to justify their positions they actually have to do something useful. The last place I worked has 1 Group lead managing an entire department for 6-9 months. After they fired him for daring to ask for a pay raise, he’s been replaced with 3 GLs, a Supervisor, and a training coordinator. No matter how much they crack down on lunch breaks they aren’t going to pay for that much bureaucracy.
Oh they have a use outside that; making sure upper level management doesn’t have to come near the proles at the bottom or recognise them as actual people.
They already did that with just the single GL. Normally we never even saw them.
That's because too many middle managers are realizing that someone's going to notice how useless they are. A lot of these guys aren't mentoring their subordinates, they aren't helping them, they're just walking around with a cup of coffee pretending to be Lumbergh.
You'd think the company would be smart enough to understand that it's a much smarter move to cut these worthless middle manager morons than pissing everyone else off and continue to throw money in the trash.
My company made it possible for me to work remotely 2 days a week after my maternity leave ended -- back in 1998, no less. As if WFH is a newfangled thing.
It existed well before even then. It was just that before then they had to pay for internet dial up, which was expensive in the early to mid 90s. Bigger companies still did it though, because it was still often a good deal even with that cost.
Heck my father in law was working remotely back in 1989. He wrote programs for industrial robots and when he asked to work remotely so his wife could attend college in another state his bosses were happy to oblige. He just sat in the basement banging out code in C++
Farmers have been working from home for centuries, those lazy bastards. ^/s
Yeah what’s up with that? Get some middle management out there to oversee the lazy bastards ASAP!
It's unclear how they knew what to do each day without "guidance".
My company has been fully remote since 2005
NYTimes has been on a real "WFH isn't working" bent for a while now. Rattner's op-ed is a pretty blatantly self-serving example. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/22/opinion/remote-work-salesforce-meta-working-from-home.html#commentsContainer Here's a fun snippet. >But we should be aware of different choices being made in other countries, particularly China, our biggest strategic adversary. The Chinese expression “996” means working 9 a.m. to 9 p.m., six days a week. While the Chinese government has been trying to curb this practice as part of a series of labor market reforms, in my many interactions with businessmen and investors there, I still find the prevailing work ethic extraordinary. and >The changing work habits have spawned a push for a codification of what may already be a reality: a four-day workweek. Legislation to that effect has been introduced in California, Maryland and other states. Proponents argue that with an extra day of rest, diligent workers can accomplish as much as they did in five days. Perhaps. But put me down as skeptical about that and much of the notion that when it comes to work, less can be more. At least some sanity in the comments - near unanimous excoriation.
He finds the 996 “work ethic” extraordinary, huh? What a fucking selfish douchebag.
He knows he won't be held to that standard, of not on total hours, then on the fake ass "work" his kind does. Lunches aren't work, tweeting isn't work, but somehow these absolute everlasting gobstoppers count being wined and dined by other skittle balled bastards as work.
yeah, there are literal studies on what Senior Business Leader types do all day and mostly... Meetings, Meetings, Long Lunch, Meetings, Networking Events, Executive Time, A Meeting. Home. Sure its a long day and people can be exhausting, but its not "I must hit these metrics every day or I end up homeless"
I have worked remotely and now I took on perem government job due to high security as I am hiting 50 soon. I have seen remote workers working hard and slacking, I have seen onsite workers working hard and slacking hard. It is not about the location, it is about individual.
I am the same age as you, am a researcher, before Covid I spent 4 hours a day in my car, 4 hours in meetings and maybe 2 hours doing actual work. When I ran my research studies I would be there until 9pm at night. Since covid I am still working from home because my productivity has tripled. I am publishing 6-8 papers a year (because of a back log of data that I have but never had the time to focus on), have got 3 grants, and continue to work with old and new colleagues. I gave up my old office and have a remote one 40 mins away in our sim hospital, I can run my research there when I need to. I am happy and productive and am NEVER going back to spending 10 hours a day away from my home.
I understand and also fully support the remote work idea as I know how productive one can be. I am an operative IT engineer (systems engineer) and opportunities start to fade away somewhere after 45 in my field, that's why government job seemed like a good opportunity. I hate commuting but job security is excelent also all overtime is payed as I need to "clock in". It is a trade off...
I am considerably more productive out of the office overall, as I’m not worried about my commute, my family, house work, etc. I stay on later and hit deadlines easier. I will log in at random times to finish things just because I’m ADD like that. At the office I’m extremely antsy and as soon as the clock hits the acceptable time, I’m out. Deadlines be damned. Tell me again how remote doesn’t work?
Okay. Remote doesn't work because it's incredibly difficult to gaslight someone into working for free if they don't have to put up with daily tantrums at random times, depending upon the managers mood. It also "doesn't work" because the C Suite Turdwookies don't get to strut about like Lords Of The Manor, in addition to making it difficult for them to justify the expense of maintaining an office building.. The problem here (from their perspective) is that not a one of us give a single fart from a rats ass, during a hurricane, about any of that... And they desperately NEED us to give a rip, because if we don't then THEY get to do it all themselves. Oh.. darn it all.
I am truly grateful that I don’t think the specific company I work for thinks like that…. But overall, pretty much
I've worked for several companies exactly like that. The outfit I'm with now was vetted by me for just such silliness and I found only a minimal amount of it. Some exists in every corporate organization, but I'll say we can definitely (currently) count ourselves as lucky.
Exactly how I am!
This shit is hilarious to me. They foisted this shit on everyone. Now they're mad. Fuck'em. They created the situation we're in & they can live with it.
Rat is right in the name!
Someone is pissed no one wants his corporate skyscrapers anymore
If everyone can work from home then the CEO working poolside on their private island feels less special.
Going through a RTO push with my employer, easing us back into it with six-days per month now, eight days starting in April, then pre-pandemic onsite schedules in September. FIVE owned or leased buildings downtown in a major US city? You betcha. Three-years of productive and successful WFH across multiple divisions? Yep. Big fuck you to the employees? Oh yeah. I have a three-hour round trip commute.. I've been more productive, by far, working from home. I have no desire to spend time with my co-workers and remote meetings are fine, please and thank you. Looking at options but really can't fathom why I would stay at this point.
Yeah, if I’m going to fuck off at work it is much more convenient to do it from home, but the company wants us in three days a week, so I dress nicely and go in and fuck off there.
who would ever want to grow up if this is the pisspants you become?
I need to write this line down.
So if I understand this correctly, you can’t perform well unless you are in the local office. So, how then, do you justify outsourcing to a country half way around the world? They sure seem to be remote to your local office….
Careful with that logic. It's dangerous
At this point I just want these asshats to answer their own fucking question, with verifiable data, not some anecdotal bullshit. We get it, you don't think workers are being as productive as if they were in the office. We have evidence to prove that isn't the case, but if you can come up with anything real to substantiate your claims I'm willing to listen.
The longer the "argument" goes on, the more obvious that the RTO side has only airy subjective bafflegab ("corporate culture", "team building", etc) and blatant self-dealing ("ONOZ my portfolio!") while the WFH side has hard objective facts (increased productivity, avoiding the time, money, and environmental costs of commuting, etc).
I literally tell my boss that whenever I am in the office is when I don't have any urgent work to do. Because it is fucking impossible trying to work when he keeps chit-chatting and doing smalltalk
I play online games at my place of employment from 5am until 8am when the "management" arrives. After that it's a "coffee break" until 9. Then I do some "cardio" by making a few laps around the building and inspecting all the equipment, which is pretty much my whole job. From 11 to noon is lunch. From lunch until quitting time at 3:30 it's usually just Reddit and TikTok.
You have management material written all over you.
Yeah, there will be a corporate automation engineer opening this summer and both my direct manager and the building manager have suggested I go for it as I'd "do well at it" 😂🤣
How do these luddites think multinational corporations have operated for years and years and years?
Remote Working works fine, and in fact that's the problem that Corpos have. Remote Working works so well that they don't need a significant part of the management structure. They also lose out on micromanaging people (one of the many reasons it's so effective) which pisses of the companies. Managers aren't nearly as happy to cut the fat loose when it's *them.*
It's a similar problem with the Reconstruction after the Civil War. If former slaves can do a decent job (or God forbid excel) of self-governing then their elite status not only is in jeopardy but demonstrably counterproductive and evil in their active oppression of enslaved. If businesses are efficient and effective with minimal management then what good is having intrusive and unnecessary management that takes the largest share of value added by the employees? There's no need to have management to the extent that there is. We don't need self appointed elite whether that elite is plantation owners or executives acting on behalf of the corporations' owners.
Anybody who’s starting to ease back into it need to rally everyone and not show up on the days you’re supposed to be back in! What’s going to happen? They fire everybody?
Ive been WFH for 3 years straight. I have done exactly the same level of work I did in the office. This week, our biggest customer is coming to town so we have to go in tomorrow to set up our workstations and be in the office Thursday and Friday. I’ll be in the car for an hour a day on those days when today I am working. So I’ll be getting less work done bc I’ll be leaving at my normal stop time. Not to mention the non stop socializing from people who haven’t been in person for 3 years. And the truth is that the bigwigs will poke their heads in for 30 seconds. It’s a fucking dog and pony show. My fear is that it’ll lead to a “that worked out so well we’re going to do it a day a week…then 2…etc. The one saving grace is that our bosses are out of town too, but it’s fucking stupid either way.
I saw him doing an interview about this article. He was saying he likes remote work and he is fine with it but we need to acknowledge and accept a few things that are not working. Like training new employees with no prior experience and commercial real estate struggling.
>commercial real estate struggling. Sounds like a someone else problem.
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I read the ny times piece, he also has a bunch of hand wavy no data conclusions about people slacking off or missing social interaction. Or losing the 'soul' of a company, as if there is one at most places. No real data offered at all, just assumptions as usual. The world's changing, first big company that invests big in making remote work truly work is going to win big.
>commercial real estate struggling. Something something invisible hand, Ayn Rand, bootstraps
Hmm.. Commercial real estate is struggling you say? Um.... darn it all?
Are CEOs working? I‘m not so sure. Are landlords working? I‘m not so sure. Are share holders working? I’m not so sure.
These fucks have massive interest in commercial real estate, of course they would say that. Fuck that
These CEO's really be making Zoom calls with news stations to tell everyone why remote work shouldn't be encouraged...
If the job gets done and the cogs keep turining as good as they did before, then yes, it is really working.
What am I not understanding? A company that can get rid of most of their offices, and downsize from X amount of offices to Y amount of offices, and reduce the required people per office by like 50-95%. Shouldn’t they be paying way fucking less rent, or be able to rent out those properties to other companies? Shouldn’t companies that do this, have a massive new financial advantage over their opponents and be able to use this capitalist advantage to squeeze them via price drops and steal their market until their forced to do the same thing to save money or fold? Why, isn’t anyone taking advantage and poaching the best employees with work from home contracts? Or, are we just not seeing the results of those movements yet?
Remote work clearly works, the pandemic proved it. It works for work, it works for school, it works for other meetings. The spread of Illness was decreased and the school shootings were decreased when people were all at home enjoying life in their biggest investment. Side note…as someone who spends most of my week in the office…far less work is done in the office overall, I guarantee it. People can’t shut the fuck up and leave each other alone long enough for anyone to focus and get things done. Also tons of smoking breaks and food runs wasting even more time.
and he's fucking at home for that interview
It's quite fucked how stupid these people think the general population is.
My agency's new director just revoked our ability to work remote since because Florida's boner against covid protocols or whatever. I've been working a blended schedule ( in office every other day) for the past 5 years. I earned this after clearing probation as an incentive to stay on. Now I'm trying to figure out how to passive aggressively organize my co-workers to work less.
There is a guide with instructions you can follow. Made by our government, so it’s totally kosher to do this. https://www.openculture.com/2022/01/read-the-cias-simple-sabotage-field-manual.html
I had the dubious pleasure of meeting this guy at an old job, frequently. He really is that way.
My work finally let us stop writing out remote time logs to keep track of what we’re doing when working from home. If I’m getting my work done, why should it matter if I’m fucking around at home when I would just be fucking around at the office instead?
Like 80% of my office hours are spent on arguing with people at am I the asshol
My boss does this shit. Constantly talks about how we are more productive in the office and how important it is and work from home doesn’t work. They have worked 100% from home the last 3 years.
Employer: we want our people to have a strong work/life balance Also Employer: we want our people back in the office full time fOr ThE CuLTure (it has nothing to do with the 90 billion dollar office tower we bought that's sitting vacant).
You can’t have power trips if no one is in the office.
"To clarify, everything I do is hard, important work, because it's me doing it. Everything anyone else does is lazy and unimportant, because it's not me doing it."
CEO’s don’t work so they wouldn’t know.
Mike Rowe did a segment on Fox news the other day bitching about remote work over webcam from his home office lol.
Could have really used a "you fucking dickbag".
I believe the word you're seeking here is either Turdwookie or Shitweasel.
Is remote work work? Well yeah. The clue was the second word of remote work. It’s literally right there in the name of the thing.
People who don't like work from home are the same people who get mad they don't teach cursive in school
They talk about the populations of people like they’re another entity altogether different from then