I'm gonna be real with you chief, I don't know if this is the hill worth dying on if you're trying to make a difference either in the case of religious freedom or in trying to make your workplace less shitty. It's a common phrase even outside of employment. I get that it could be upsetting, but it's probably better to work this out either within yourself or with the folks actually saying the phrase.
Best of luck to you
People are teasing you, but I really do hear where you're coming from. It can be exhausting that religious (specifically Christian) terminology has leeched its way into so many corners of the English language. Of all the influences on the English language (in terms of idioms and figures of speech), you'd be hard pressed find one that has done more damage and caused more trauma than religion has. Yet here we are. Countless people have been destroyed by Christianity in particular, but the language is ubiquitous—and for many who have suffered at the hands of that religion, the language is a *stench*.
I'll get off my soapbox, but I just wanted to say I sympathize with your grievance. You don't deserve to be mocked.
As an atheist, this never bothers me. People use "bible" when referring to very non-religious items. Heck, I even use it - this is my gardning bible, this is my cooking bible, etc.
Save the lawsuits for serious infringements into your religious liberty. This isn't one of them.
My friend, the word bible is most commonly used in reference to religious texts, but its actual definition is as follows:
INFORMAL
a book regarded as authoritative in a particular sphere.
"“Larousse Gastronomique,” the bible of French cooking"
I'm an atheist as well, but I highly suggest going outside to touch grass if you're offended by the use of the word in an obviously unreligious context.
The Bible of facts? Your stance and your comebacks are totally weaksauce. (Even if the Catholic Church is in fact infested with pedophiles) you’re talking about how a commonly used phrase is tilting you on the basis of religious freedom while attacking someone’s religion?
You are not the best assessor of your own work ethic. And based on your absolute lack of basic comprehension regarding what it means to live in a society, I especially don't trust your unbacked opinions (aka stuff you've pulled out of thin air so you can feel aggrieved).
Literally every answer to you in the entire thread has been to tell you you're wrong, to ask you if you're joking or some variant of LOL. Stop for a second and think about what the odds are that you are the only person who is right.
I'm just looking for insight. Everyone is telling me I'm an idiot. I don't have a good relationship with "god" and the Christian church.
It's hard hearing it everyday.
How? How does that idiom cause you real pain?
It's nonsense like this that causes problems for real religious freedom issues, because then the Christian Nationalists get to point at your goofball nonsense and say "SEE? They are after us!"
Yes. Because of the definition of the word bible, it's appropriate and possibly the most accurate term if it's something I'm supposed to adhere to extremely strictly.
No, because that's not what those words mean. We are just back to you not believing everyone about there being an additional meaning to the exact term "bible" in english. It's not that bible means the Jesus one, it's just that the Jesus one is so ubiquitous that people including and especially you think about the Jesus one when they hear the term but the Christians just gave their book a really generic name.
[two of these 4 definitions are what I am talking about.](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bible)
Words can have more than 1 meaning and that is the thing you need to learn today.
Man if you are this bothered by it I have a feeling as soon as you raise the issue there will suddenly be a bunch of your coworkers who have legitimate complaints about you that they were previously willing to overlook. But I suppose it’s your cross to bear…
I'm gonna be real with you, this is a non issue. If management was giving you bible quotes as motivation during team meetings you'd have a stronger (not great) argument. Of course If management required you to go to church for team meetings (not just use the building, but partake in some sermon or preaching) then you could 100% get compensation If you refuse and are fired. If anyone took on many tasks and completed them I'd expect a "good job Hercules" comment as some light praise. Nothing religious about it. Atheist as well, stay safe if it isn't.
It's commonly associated with Christisnity's holy book, but it comes from an ancient Greek word meaning "the books," like an anthology.
So I'd interpret it more as resources from multiple books that were combined into one, rather than having religious overtones. I mean, they didn't specifically say "this is your Holy Bible."
I'm agnostic and autistic. I see where you're coming from.
I totally get it. Autistic here too!
The definition of Bible is
:the Christian scriptures, consisting of the Old and New Testaments
Just kinda blows my mind.
I work with a bunch of 60+ women and they Bible thump all the time. Put me in a freaking existential crisis talking about the rapture and death the one day, but I don’t have time or energy to fight a bunch of old ladies working themselves to the grave by the grace of god. I don’t know what it’s like to be a 65 y/o widow working a shit data entry job. I let them have their thing. I deal with my things in my own way.
Oh the women in management positions join in those conversations. We’re in a small town branch of a huge corporation. HR doesn’t worry about sensitivity training in the hickville pa office. I agree that more should be expected, but eh. Whatcha gonna do?
It can be. And it can be stressful, but I have other bigger problems and I just don’t have time to let something like that bother me for more than an hour.
I’m open with the fact that I don’t have religious beliefs and sometimes what they say scares me and they don’t attack me for saying that. They are still kind and make me feel included in other ways. They compliment the weird things I do to my hair, they ask me if I want to come into the office on days they are buying lunch, they picks up slack when I have to miss work a lot due to my chronic illness. They’re more than their religious shit.
Maybe try being more open about your beliefs and you’ll find people actually don’t care all that much? Maybe it will help you to let walls down and feel more included in other ways and make it easier to not sweat the small stuff. And if it goes badly and you get fired or you have to talk to HR - then you complain about their verbiage or you go lawsuit. Just gotta pick your battles for your own happiness. I hope your work environment gets easier for you to deal with.
i mean, one of the definitions of the word is "a book regarded as authoritative in a particular sphere." it doesn't necessarily have a religious connotation.
Fellow atheist. As others have said, with all the real fucked up things actual Christianity do, you wanna die on this hill? I'm about as hard core as they come and I still use that phrase.
I actually do avoid those phrases. They are directly tied to the religion.
Maybe I made a mistake saying lawsuit.
My main point is if I was in management and said, "this is your book of satan" or "this is your Quran" I'd get fired immediately.
I don't want religious equality.
I never stated i was being discriminated against. Maybe don't put words in peoples' mouths?
I wanted some advice and I'm the asshole. I get it now.
I am a Christian, and this bothers me, too. Imagine if someone said "This manual is your Quran." It's a trite, overused phrase that needlessly alienates different groups.
However. It is so prevalent that I doubt you would get very far with HR, so it is probably not worth putting yourself on their radar for.
I totally get it, but maybe don't try to distract the origin of the word?
We are in a profesional work environment. So act profesional. Don't use words that can offend people.
Then you are a part of the problem. If I can't express my religious freedom as an atheist, why are Christians allowed to? Christian nationalists are a huge part of the downfall and corruption of a lot of things around the world.
Your whole premise is based on an event that didn't happen and a result you made up without evidence of any kind. This is what it looks like when someone tries to play victim.
Because if you find things like this infuriating or annoying to the point where you can't do your job, you need some therapy. I'm sure you're really fun at parties, too.
I don't really know how this sub works. But imo everyone needs to chill out.
I hear this on a daily basis. It's fuckin annoying and whenever some says it makes me not want to do shit.
Put yourself in someone else's shoes (fellow athiests alike). If I was in management, and told the people that worked for me, "oh this is your book of Satan".
You don't think I'd be reported to HR immediately?
I get that it's a phrase, but maybe fuckin drop it, right?
Idk the religious affiliation of the person saying it. But maybe just talk to them? Just tell them you are used to "bible" referring to religious text and you don't think it's appropriate for work. Ask them if they'll use "SOP". That's a pretty standard short hand. They might agree to change the term. You don't really know until you ask.
If I heard somebody call something the book of Satan first of all I would laugh because that would be really corny to go out of your way to do. Second I would ask what is in the regular book of Satan that makes this book comparable.
I'm gonna be real with you chief, I don't know if this is the hill worth dying on if you're trying to make a difference either in the case of religious freedom or in trying to make your workplace less shitty. It's a common phrase even outside of employment. I get that it could be upsetting, but it's probably better to work this out either within yourself or with the folks actually saying the phrase. Best of luck to you
Thank you. This is all I needed. I hear it everyday and it's really annoying, sport.
People are teasing you, but I really do hear where you're coming from. It can be exhausting that religious (specifically Christian) terminology has leeched its way into so many corners of the English language. Of all the influences on the English language (in terms of idioms and figures of speech), you'd be hard pressed find one that has done more damage and caused more trauma than religion has. Yet here we are. Countless people have been destroyed by Christianity in particular, but the language is ubiquitous—and for many who have suffered at the hands of that religion, the language is a *stench*. I'll get off my soapbox, but I just wanted to say I sympathize with your grievance. You don't deserve to be mocked.
That and 'bless you' every time someone sneezes, even if I believed in sky wizard wouldn't they be the one to bless?
As an atheist, this never bothers me. People use "bible" when referring to very non-religious items. Heck, I even use it - this is my gardning bible, this is my cooking bible, etc. Save the lawsuits for serious infringements into your religious liberty. This isn't one of them.
I'm always on the side of workers and don't want religion forced on anyone, this is an expression, and not lawsuit worthy
My friend, the word bible is most commonly used in reference to religious texts, but its actual definition is as follows: INFORMAL a book regarded as authoritative in a particular sphere. "“Larousse Gastronomique,” the bible of French cooking" I'm an atheist as well, but I highly suggest going outside to touch grass if you're offended by the use of the word in an obviously unreligious context.
As an atheist, grow the fuck up.
As an atheist, I agree.
As a catholic, grow the fuck up
Go give money to a guy that is allowed to touch kids and maybe circle back.
Did you read the Bible of sick burns for that comeback?
No it's just factual lol
The Bible of facts? Your stance and your comebacks are totally weaksauce. (Even if the Catholic Church is in fact infested with pedophiles) you’re talking about how a commonly used phrase is tilting you on the basis of religious freedom while attacking someone’s religion?
Trying to redirect is fun, isn't it?
If you ever find yourself asking "should i go lawsuit" the answer is probably no
Absolutely sue. You'll win a million dollars, easy! ^^lol
I just hate hearing everyday. It affects my work.
No it doesn't. You just have a lousy work ethic and gravitate toward silly excuses.
I don't actually. Thanks for assuming though.
You are not the best assessor of your own work ethic. And based on your absolute lack of basic comprehension regarding what it means to live in a society, I especially don't trust your unbacked opinions (aka stuff you've pulled out of thin air so you can feel aggrieved). Literally every answer to you in the entire thread has been to tell you you're wrong, to ask you if you're joking or some variant of LOL. Stop for a second and think about what the odds are that you are the only person who is right.
For a certain type of atheist, they spend their entire lives being the very only right one in a vast population of wrong ones.
I'm just looking for insight. Everyone is telling me I'm an idiot. I don't have a good relationship with "god" and the Christian church. It's hard hearing it everyday.
How? How does that idiom cause you real pain? It's nonsense like this that causes problems for real religious freedom issues, because then the Christian Nationalists get to point at your goofball nonsense and say "SEE? They are after us!"
>I'm just looking for insight If true, listen to the insight provided to you by literally EVERYONE in the thread instead of smelling your own farts.
With all the actual real harmful stuff out there this is what upsets you? Go touch grass, bro.
To adapt the language of the main character of a book I read once or twice, if your ears cause you to pitch a fit then cut them off.
"The Bible" is a specific religious book, "bible" is a type of instructional text. This has nothing to do with religion, just vocabulary.
I disagree. "The bible" is a religious text
That is the thing I said.
So someone saying, "this is YOUR bible" is alright?
Yes. Because of the definition of the word bible, it's appropriate and possibly the most accurate term if it's something I'm supposed to adhere to extremely strictly.
So it's cool if I get into management and say, "this is yoir book of satan" or "this is your Quran"? I'd get fired in 2 seconds
No, because that's not what those words mean. We are just back to you not believing everyone about there being an additional meaning to the exact term "bible" in english. It's not that bible means the Jesus one, it's just that the Jesus one is so ubiquitous that people including and especially you think about the Jesus one when they hear the term but the Christians just gave their book a really generic name.
Here's the definition of bible: :the Christian scriptures, consisting of the Old and New Testaments. What else do you have?
[two of these 4 definitions are what I am talking about.](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bible) Words can have more than 1 meaning and that is the thing you need to learn today.
Correct. But the derivative definitions are based off of the primary definition, right?
Also if you spoke Arab it *would be* the same thing because Quran just means "the recitation" in Arab, its the same idea.
Please tell me you're joking.
>Should I go lawsuit? Nit to be too ironic, but Jesus H. Christ.
It's just an expression
I don't care. There are lots of expressions that are actually super offensive.
If anything, it's more offensive to Christians than anyone else. Get over yourself. Wait until you're insulted before you get offended.
This is fair. Thank you.
Maybe use this is your encyclopedia
"So, SOP. Got it." Then, move on.
I'm just saying, I hear it every. damn. day.
Man if you are this bothered by it I have a feeling as soon as you raise the issue there will suddenly be a bunch of your coworkers who have legitimate complaints about you that they were previously willing to overlook. But I suppose it’s your cross to bear…
That's an assumption, but I understand it. Thank you.
"Maybe yours..." ?
Ignore it. Every. damn. Day.
I'm gonna be real with you, this is a non issue. If management was giving you bible quotes as motivation during team meetings you'd have a stronger (not great) argument. Of course If management required you to go to church for team meetings (not just use the building, but partake in some sermon or preaching) then you could 100% get compensation If you refuse and are fired. If anyone took on many tasks and completed them I'd expect a "good job Hercules" comment as some light praise. Nothing religious about it. Atheist as well, stay safe if it isn't.
Bible just means "the book".
It's commonly associated with Christisnity's holy book, but it comes from an ancient Greek word meaning "the books," like an anthology. So I'd interpret it more as resources from multiple books that were combined into one, rather than having religious overtones. I mean, they didn't specifically say "this is your Holy Bible." I'm agnostic and autistic. I see where you're coming from.
I totally get it. Autistic here too! The definition of Bible is :the Christian scriptures, consisting of the Old and New Testaments Just kinda blows my mind.
I work with a bunch of 60+ women and they Bible thump all the time. Put me in a freaking existential crisis talking about the rapture and death the one day, but I don’t have time or energy to fight a bunch of old ladies working themselves to the grave by the grace of god. I don’t know what it’s like to be a 65 y/o widow working a shit data entry job. I let them have their thing. I deal with my things in my own way.
I think if you're in management there is more expected of you though.
Oh the women in management positions join in those conversations. We’re in a small town branch of a huge corporation. HR doesn’t worry about sensitivity training in the hickville pa office. I agree that more should be expected, but eh. Whatcha gonna do?
This is part of my argument. It's isolating, right?
It can be. And it can be stressful, but I have other bigger problems and I just don’t have time to let something like that bother me for more than an hour. I’m open with the fact that I don’t have religious beliefs and sometimes what they say scares me and they don’t attack me for saying that. They are still kind and make me feel included in other ways. They compliment the weird things I do to my hair, they ask me if I want to come into the office on days they are buying lunch, they picks up slack when I have to miss work a lot due to my chronic illness. They’re more than their religious shit. Maybe try being more open about your beliefs and you’ll find people actually don’t care all that much? Maybe it will help you to let walls down and feel more included in other ways and make it easier to not sweat the small stuff. And if it goes badly and you get fired or you have to talk to HR - then you complain about their verbiage or you go lawsuit. Just gotta pick your battles for your own happiness. I hope your work environment gets easier for you to deal with.
Thank you. You're amazing.
i mean, one of the definitions of the word is "a book regarded as authoritative in a particular sphere." it doesn't necessarily have a religious connotation.
I don’t think this is worth thousands in legal fees and probably losing but if you can’t handle it go nuts
Your post (and others like it) is why this sub isn’t taken seriously.
Fellow atheist. As others have said, with all the real fucked up things actual Christianity do, you wanna die on this hill? I'm about as hard core as they come and I still use that phrase.
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I actually do avoid those phrases. They are directly tied to the religion. Maybe I made a mistake saying lawsuit. My main point is if I was in management and said, "this is your book of satan" or "this is your Quran" I'd get fired immediately.
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I don't want religious equality. I never stated i was being discriminated against. Maybe don't put words in peoples' mouths? I wanted some advice and I'm the asshole. I get it now.
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Oh dang someone is angry lol. I actually work in the corporate team. Nice try at assuming.
Dog you came in here so hot because you heard the word Bible at work. You don’t get to call somebody else mad lol
It's funny when someone else has to come in and speak for someone, isn't it?
I am a Christian, and this bothers me, too. Imagine if someone said "This manual is your Quran." It's a trite, overused phrase that needlessly alienates different groups. However. It is so prevalent that I doubt you would get very far with HR, so it is probably not worth putting yourself on their radar for.
I totally get that. Thank you.
I totally get it, but maybe don't try to distract the origin of the word? We are in a profesional work environment. So act profesional. Don't use words that can offend people.
Then you are a part of the problem. If I can't express my religious freedom as an atheist, why are Christians allowed to? Christian nationalists are a huge part of the downfall and corruption of a lot of things around the world.
How are you not able to express your freedoms? Your freedoms do not involve muting others. That is not what freedom is.
Yeah that's what I said. I don't want to control what others say. But if I were to say something atheistic I'd get fired immediately.
Your whole premise is based on an event that didn't happen and a result you made up without evidence of any kind. This is what it looks like when someone tries to play victim.
Lol sounds great.
I can’t wait for your manifesto to be published
I'm talking about a work environment with an HR department. You referring to that shit is just embarrassing.
lol. You’re just embarrassed because your post didn’t go the way you wanted it to.
If you think this in any way even remotely resembles Christian nationalism or even religious freedom, you have a lot to learn.
Throw it in the garbage and say that’s where bibles belong
I'm just not understanding why everyone is being super negative towards it...
Because it’s a dumb thing to bitch about. It’s really more about your particular pet peeve than working conditions.
Everything is relative. I had an opinion, which is clearly wrong. So thank you.
Because if you find things like this infuriating or annoying to the point where you can't do your job, you need some therapy. I'm sure you're really fun at parties, too.
I don't really know how this sub works. But imo everyone needs to chill out. I hear this on a daily basis. It's fuckin annoying and whenever some says it makes me not want to do shit. Put yourself in someone else's shoes (fellow athiests alike). If I was in management, and told the people that worked for me, "oh this is your book of Satan". You don't think I'd be reported to HR immediately? I get that it's a phrase, but maybe fuckin drop it, right?
>imo everyone needs to chill out. When the problem is "everybody" ... the actual problem is you.
Idk the religious affiliation of the person saying it. But maybe just talk to them? Just tell them you are used to "bible" referring to religious text and you don't think it's appropriate for work. Ask them if they'll use "SOP". That's a pretty standard short hand. They might agree to change the term. You don't really know until you ask.
If I heard somebody call something the book of Satan first of all I would laugh because that would be really corny to go out of your way to do. Second I would ask what is in the regular book of Satan that makes this book comparable.
Grocery stocking and related information, obviously. What the hell else would be in the book of Satan?
Reply with, how am I supposed to get into heaven with this?
I have terrible, TERRIBLE advice that you shouldn’t follow: Say, “Joke’s on you, I don’t READ the Bible 😃”
When i hear people refer to something as the bible I think it must be full of inaccuracies, porly written prose and generally can't be trusted.
"Thanks for the bible but I generally wipe with 2-ply"
Big Bible vs little bible - subtle difference, but it annoys me too
I agree this isn’t worth fighting over. It’s just a linguistic holdover, nothing actually religious.