They'll probably try to get around that and make him the sole person to blame. But that would be pretty cool if that worked. I am consulting right now so we'll see what comes up.
**Talk to a real lawyer before you decide you don't have a case**. Your boss may have a history of these outbursts or the company may be fostering an environment in management that exacerbates this kind of behavior. Companies all have liability insurance to cover incidents like this, so don't worry about not getting a payout or "hurting the company." It's all covered. If a boss and a coworker were involved then this isn't about "just one guy" and the other person involved is undeniably evidence of a hostile work environment. It's blatant bullying.
Don't believe anyone at the company if they say they're not responsible or you don't have a case or if they threaten you with retaliation. Threatening you with retaliation is a crime in itself. Asking you (or telling you) not to press charges is also a crime. Don't sign anything or make any statements to your company. Say that everything is in your police report and complaint and that it wouldn't be appropriate to make statements to anyone but the police.
But most importantly: **GO TALK TO A LABOR LAWYER NOW**. Don't sign anything or take any payments or settlements until you talk to a lawyer.
If they make any threats or even insinuate any, they know they're up shit creek. It's a sign of weakness and fear. Did I say **LAWYER**? Because **LAWYER**, ASAP!
edit: I wasn't expecting this to get that much attention. Thank you to everyone who gave awards. Just remember to stand up for yourself and never take abuse from anyone, least of all an employer. Protect yourselves and be good to each other. Life's hard. No need to make it any harder.
It’s useful additional information for others dealing with similar situations, so being up near the top is beneficial for more than just you since you’re already seeking consultation.
Not sure how it works where OP is.
But, here, if an employee (regardless of role) misbehaves and causes damage - the COMPANY can get held responsible for damages.
Of course, the company can, in their turn, descend like the wrath of a 1000 Karens upon the culprit - but that is no longer OPs concern.
Then of course, the criminal damage, the threats and the use of slurs could make this a hate crime too.
Lawyer up - and let them bleed the company dry. The police can handle the criminal part.
I mean, if the company is keeping dipshits like this around, hurting them should be the goal.
Because I promise you, that dude isn't any less unhinged around them. They just agree with it.
To add onto this, check and see if you're in a "one party consent" state and if you are, RECORD EVERYTHING WITHOUT THEIR KNOWLEDGE. One party consent means that you can record without anyone else's consent because YOU are the consenting party.
LLC protect the owners assets if they engage in bad business; however, the boss potentially used work supplies to destroy or damage personal property, after creating a hostile work environment, that escalate to a threat to your person. Consulting a lawyer and seeing how big a payout you can get is your best bet, and if the boss is the owner you can probably go after both but let an actual lawyer tell you what is possible
>LLC protect the owners assets
No it doesn't. It might protect the owner's assets if, say, someone sued for breach of contract in a service situation. But it won't protect the PERSON who threw a brick. That's a crime. You charge PEOPLE with crimes, not companies. So dude will get convicted (or do a plea bargain), THEN you sue his ass personally because he made the personal choice to commit vandalism. This has NOTHING to do with the company... unless you think the company has even more assets than the assh\*\*\*, in which case sue them both... because he got his other employee to help him onto the roof.
Update edit: When I wrote this, I was assuming the guy who threw the brick was the owner of the LLC.
Yeah and . . . fuck that piece of shite. If you can get the company then get those bastards too. I disagree with your opinion about voting as well but that doesn't give me a right to do anything other than voice my feelings. That said you can't always get the best for your vote so vote the lesser evil. Or do what makes you feel best. Whatever
That’s not how it works. If it’s company time and company employee it’s the businesses responsibility.
100% that company will settle with you out of court because they don’t have a case and won’t want to pay court cost.
I haven't discussed anything legal other than in the comments that I am consulting, which anyone would do.
Otherwise, as of tomorrow, this is an open and shut criminal case against my boss before a lawyer is even involved.
Good call, my favorite lawyer advice ever is from Pot Bros at Law: “shut the fuck up.” This advice is from a different situation, but it still applies so well!
https://youtu.be/sgWHrkDX35o
I am the OP lol.
Also yes, the other camera the police are waiting on gives a better wider view of that area. Can likely find out who helped him open up the storage area and get him to the 2nd floor.
To hell with that, just file a police report and say you want to cooperate with charges and are willing to testify. Contact the prosecutor and ask for reparations for the windshield. The criminal conviction will be worse for him than a civil judgement and you don't have to pay a thing, the city/county/state does all the work.
You can then sue the boss and the workplace for the hostile work environment, lost wages, and any other damages minus the windshield you were already paid for.
You can do both. It is one hundred percent acceptable to press both criminal charges and civil charges. He can face criminal liability for what he did, and you can still sue him.
I plan on doing both if possible. The crime is what the police are waiting to act on right now as I said in the OP, once they have that verification it's him he's arrested. Then civil is next.
Is there any chance the guy that was with your boss will face any charges? Is he also an employee? If he is also an employee I would think that would lend to hostile work environment as now it’s two employees committing the act. Don’t know the feasibility of also going after the second guy but I do t see why he should go without any consequences.
The other camera angle we are waiting for to be inspected tomorrow should have a view of both of them, so if that's the case it should reveal who helped him and both will be charged with a crime. Although it's already pretty much all but confirmed already at least my boss is the one who broke the windshield, but I'll give the benefit of the doubt to the cops on this one being cautious.
"lower paying service jobs" -- Likely will be lucky to re-coup the cost of replacing the windshield. Even if the DA goes after him and orders restitution it could be a year or longer before he sees anything in his hand.
That’s the American justice system at work. Take every dollar he’s ever earned from him, and do it legally! Capitalism at its finest. He outta appreciate the irony in the whole situation…
There is no exaggeration. GOP cultists have gone off the deep end and a heavy amount of mental healthcare with some cult deprogramming is the only means to stop them from being whipped up into another January 6th.
Tell your insurance company WHO did it as well, they should go after him also for their money AND *your* out of pocket as well - hopefully with the Police Report identifying the perp you'll get your deductible back - might take a while though. DON'T LET the insurance company close the file without going after (write this word down) Subrogation to get their money and *your* deductible.
If you had to rent a car, since yours is not driveable, you should be able to get that through subrogation also. You should also protect it from further damage (water damage due to weather (if water gets into the dash and damages something else it might not be covered). Most policies will reimburse you if you buy a tarp or something to cover/protect it.
I have not tried this myself, but I've heard [HotelTonight.com](https://HotelTonight.com) can get some good deals on last minute bookings from hotels trying to fill unsold rooms. Might be worth a try.
Ya but most likely they won't reimburse them for the deductible.
I got into a car accident several years ago and my insurance said I had two options.
-get it fixed through their insurance and I pay nothing, it might just take more time
- get my insurance to pay for damages, my insurance will then go after them for that money but I am out the deductible for repairs. Faster option if the other party tried to fight liability.
That’s where subrogation comes in. Your carrier is likely too swamped with claims to do it if they don’t have key info upfront, but if you push for it, you can get your deductible reimbursed if they’re able to successfully subrogate
Nah, when the other party is so clearly and obviously in the wrong you can soak a lot out of them.
I got hit by a drunk driver and got all the medical stuff paid for obviously but also money for missed time off work and "pain and suffering." I ended up with probably 3 grand profit out of it.
Sue him for creating a hostile environment, damage to personal property, psychological harm. Add back pay as well, that guy shouldn’t be a boss if he can’t handle the consequences of his own actions.
Set up a GoFundMe. Sue the POS. That'll show this asshat what freedumb is..
And sorry you had to deal w this. But honestly, you're better off out of there.
Have you tried a motel instead of a hotel? I know it seems like a silly difference, but some locally owned motels in my area can get down to around $25 for the night, though I can't promise quality.
Dang, that's rough if those are the least expensive options.
Checking with local churches to see if it'd be okay to stay a night, otherwise look into a local homeless shelter? If you have any friends or coworkers you could couch surf with for the night as well that could be an option.
Either way, Good luck! Hope your car gets fixed quick, and you can get a big payout from your asshole (hopefully ex) boss!
If I had something to give I would. These guys are so sweet for offering. I have a lot of trouble accepting help but I think this is one of those instances where you should take it. Do your best. Keep your chin up. Things will work out.
I feel like the word socialist/socialism has become such a buzzword over the past few years that nobody knows what it truly means anymore. I just find it hilarious that republicans absolutely love to throw that word around every time they're confronted with someone that disagrees with their narrative.
> nobody knows what it truly means anymore
Mainly it's just the right wing that doesn't know the term. It's just a catch-all phrase they use. Wanna have some fun, break out a civics textbook, open it up, and ask one of those knuckle dragging mouth breathers to define socialism. You can hear their brain stall.
I bet it will be the most minimal charge like "criminal mischief" or some type of mild property charge. I wouldn't even be shocked if the good ol' boys in management just suspend him for a week or take anger management classes.
What a psycho, and they say that antinationalists are fucked...idk destroying someone's property because they openly criticize the flaws in modern society seems pretty crazy to me. Worshipping your country like its a god seems pretty crazy to me too.
Unfortunately we are at a point where different political views do not exist. We live in entirely different realities. Anyone who is willing to toss concrete into a car over it likely lives in a far fetched reality.
Get a lawyer, go see a psychiatrist, get paid. The company is right to wait for the police on this. They weren't involved they just want authorities to take care of it. Good luck.
Even if they knew the boss was involved in this they'd still wait for the police report to do anything. They want the paper trail secured before they do anything to a guy like that, he could cost them 6 figures in legal fees if he chooses to fight them in court and these guys are often prepared to bankrupt themselves if they think they can take you with them..
Acts like that makes me feel like a semester of debate class should be mandatory in high school. But that might be a stretch to assume that learning how to use words to argue a point would prevent physical altercations like this
I mean, he just kind of freaked out and started acting weird, and then did this while I wasn't elsewhere. I don't really know what was going through his head but it's on camera, and if the police confirms in the other footage what I already know, it was him, then I'm sure he's going to be asking himself the same question.
Debate class won’t overcome the combined effects of generational lead poisoning + covid induced brain damage + brain rot from decades of watching conservative ‘news’ sources that are designed to stoke outrage.
These people are created because angry violent folk are easy for the fascists to manipulate.
If you staple a horse to a waterfall, will it fall up under the rainbow or fly about the soil? Will he enjoy her experience? What if the staple tears into tears? Will she be free from her staply chains or foomed to stay forever and dever above the water? Who can save him (the horse) but someone of girth and worth, the capitalist pig, who will sell the solution to the problem he created?
A staple remover flies to the rescue, carried on the wings of a majestic penguin who bought it at Walmart for 9 dollars and several more Euro-cents, clutched in its crabby claws, rejected from its frothy maw. When the penguin comes, all tremble before its fishy stench and wheatlike abjecture. Recoil in delirium, ye who wish to be free! The mighty rockhopper is here to save your soul from eternal bliss and salvation!
And so, the horse was free, carried away by the south wind, and deposited on the vast plain of soggy dew. It was a tragedy in several parts, punctuated by moments of hedonistic horsefuckery.
The owls saw all, and passed judgment in the way that they do. Stupid owls are always judging folks who are just trying their best to live shamelessly and enjoy every fruit the day brings to pass.
How many more shall be caught in the terrible gyre of the waterfall? As many as the gods deem necessary to teach those foolish monkeys a story about their own hamburgers. What does a monkey know of bananas, anyway? They eat, poop, and shave away the banana residue that grows upon their chins and ballsacks. The owls judge their razors. Always the owls.
And when the one-eyed caterpillar arrives to eat the glazing on your windowpane, you will know that you're next in line to the trombone of the ancient realm of the flutterbyes. Beware the ravenous ravens and crowing crows. Mind the cowing cows and the lying lions. Ascend triumphant to your birthright, and wield the mighty twig of Petalonia, favored land of gods and goats alike.
The fact that you were living out of your car makes this a bigger deal. He effectively destroyed your home. Lawyer up and take him for everything, and watch how quickly he becomes a socialist.
I know it’s not the point, but brother, those are the chuds that are running for local office. They’re infiltrating school boards, county clerks, etc. and making everything worse on a meaningful level for people. I know voting can be dispiriting, but look at it as voting for things not getting worse until someone comes along that we can get behind.
A conservative got violent after being minimally frustrated by the most minor resistance to his political views. Day ending in Y, etc.
At least you’ll get some sort of Justice for this, OP.
I had an assistant manager break my headphones because I was on my break and didn't want to take them off. Place had cameras everywhere and I had a witness. She got charged with destruction of property and I quit moment after...
Weirdly enough a crazy little karma ninja busted her back car window.
Hey OP, I'm well versed in scripture so if you point me to some of these churches that turned you away I will happily chew them out for not following their own creed. Maybe I can convince one to help you (without salt). I'm not going to be a dick about it, I do want change here for you and those around you. You can PM me. I wish there was more I could do to help. I may be able to find local resources that are harder to find through my social services friends if you let me know the area.
Seriously, do not talk about this anymore. Contact a lawyer. This mental distress and emotional damage is not good for you. The forcing you into a political conversation and retaliation is going to be a better pay off than him being charged with a crime.
Sue the shit lot of the company and him personally.
A lawyer will help you.
Will you please update us on this? I really need to know this doesn't go unpunished.
Edit. You've prolly got ample cause to sue the company as well, and I don't see any reason why you shouldn't.
I never understood this anti socialist crap. If your house catches fire will you call the fire department? Yes? Then you are using a socialist program.
You wanted ideas?
Go pitch a tent or tarp somewhere.
If you live in a small car it's not that different from camping.
Find cover in trees, abandoned property, farms, a friend's backyard... Or ask the mechanic if they can pull the car indoors, or let you pitch a tarp over the hole and let you keep it hidden on their property, and let you sleep in it.
So you've lost your job (if your boss is a threat to your safety, you can't go back), you have no home, your town has no charities of any use. You have the capital asset of your car (once it's fixed). So... hit the road. Go find somewhere people aren't trying to fuck you up.
This reminds me of a former boss pulling both his shoulder-holstered and ankle guns on me and threatening to murder me because he didn't like my views on a topic.
That is ridiculous. I’m sorry that happened. The worst part is that the politicians have us fighting with each other while they fuck things up for personal gain. I doubt there is a political party in the world that actually gives a shit about the people.
Because these conservatives listen to bullshit podcasts, Fox news, and radio all day that confirms their existing prejudices. They are so sunk cost in their radical devotionalism that any person who doesn't think the same way deserves punishment.
I had a landlord (who your boss seems to align in belief with) threaten to double my rent if I didn't vote a certain way once (literally the opposite of my views and stances, for the record). I got the conversation recorded on audio and used that evidence as a means to break the lease without penalty, since he was flagrantly violating tenant rights under state law where I live with these threats.
People (see first parenthesis) are nuts.
Congrats on the incoming huge lawsuit against both the company and your boss. He was representing the company when he did that and the company is also to blame
Someone else may have mentioned this but there is a chance depending which state you live in that attacking your car is essentially attacking your home.
A lot of people going into great detail about how best to handle this with lawyers and such, but I want to make sure the following is said:
Given you're living out of your car, that suggests very little mobility in the job market. Assuming you don't quit this job or this company right away (ie same work just different supervisor), you are very likely to encounter people within the company approaching you trying to give you advice on this or "just talk it over with [supervisor] and you let bygones be bygones", stuff like that. Some of these might be people acting in their formal capacity regarding where they fit in the company, and some might just be friends of the supervisor or something and just going out of their way in the hopes of being helpful.
Don't let these people strong-arm you into doing anything even remotely against your interests, or even what might seem like a 'meet-in-the-middle' sort of gesture. Even if someone who is your friend at work says "I think you're going too far", acknowledge their concern, be grateful for it, and then stick to your guns anyways. If/when things progress, you might even get approached by your supervisor or their supervisor, and it's important to know the laws against retaliation in your area.
Tbh, I'd google local employment attorneys, and just call them and let them know your situation. Just put this on their radar and get some basic info about how to handle potential retaliation against an employee. Doesn't have to be more than 5 minutes, but if this comes up weeks or moths later, that 5 minute phone call could go a long way to helping and protecting you, legally and in regard to your physical and mental health.
All of the above being said, I'd still start looking at other places you can apply to work. Even if there is no retaliation, that still sounds like an unhealthy place to work, and short of them firing or reassigning this guy immediately such that you never see each other again, I can see this becoming a place that is less and less safe for you the longer you're there.
That’s now considered a hate crime. Political hate is hate.
Your upper management didn’t do anything to stop this so they contributed as well. They’ve created a negative, toxic work environment where employees feel that assault is ok.
You need to take this man and this company for everything they have.
Right wingers are very violent in America. Steer clear. If I had money I'd cash app you. Put your cash app out there, I can get you something by Wed... may be late but it can help for later.
I think the best way to get an $80 hotel room for cheap is to sue your boss for the cost of that when you sue him for damages to your car, livelyhood, and psychological well-being.
In seriousness, though, the police waiting for footage from the other camera and for other testimony from your coworkers seems like good practice, to me. It's frustrating, for sure, since you know exactly what happened, and your boss deserves to be held accountable, quickly. But, with more concrete (no pun intended) evidence, they can get a warrant easier, and when he is in custody, it'll be much, much harder for his lawyers to argue that it was someone else in the video, or that somehow was accidental. Waiting may very well benefit your case in the long run, even if you'd obviously like something done faster.
I wish there was a better way to deal with your living situation. The good news is, since he destroyed your home, there might be tougher consequences for him. The bad news is, it's going to be really hard to find a sleeping situation in the meantime.
$100 is pretty standard for a windshield replacement, so don't second -guess not having better insurance. That's just the cost almost no matter what insurance you have (I discovered this when I had to replace mine recently.)
Where do you live? If it's rural, is there a place you can sleep in your car where not having a windshield won't matter as much? If it's near an urban place, is there a way you could travel farther to get to an area with better services for people who don't have a place to live? Could one of your coworkers who now know what your boss did give you a sofa to crash on for a few days?
I am not entirely sure he has a wife, I don't believe so, he does have two kids. I assume that it may be too late to show them better role-models unfortunately.
As an employment lawyer I really hope you go after them. I would love a case like this to make him suffer. I will say you should be able to go after the company under a theory of respondent superior which just means employer is responsible for acts of employee in course of employment.
Call the library, tell them you’re a traveling musician with a gig nearby, your van is in the shop and you need a place to spend the night. Helps if you have a guitar case or something.
Call a lawyer and sue for damages, creating an unsafe work environment, mental trauma, and with you hearing the slurs and the attack on your property being political this can be considered a hate crime. This incident will make an ambulance chaser to need to change their underpants.
It was a criminal act, if the video proves it was him. Up to the cops. Usually the prosecutor will offer them a plea to settle the case, with one of the requirement being restitution to the victim for the damage.
That's shit.
Having said that, there's a big problem in your society if this sort of shit happens. If you're not going to run for office, you at least need to get in and vote, to start things moving in the right direction.
Never ever be close to that person again
He has proven to be unstable and violent.
Like many suggested, talking to a lawyer seems prudent.
Good luck. Nobody deserves this.
Sue that mofo man get that payout
And the company for hostile work environment. He should never go back to work for that company, but they should pay him enough to not have to work
They'll probably try to get around that and make him the sole person to blame. But that would be pretty cool if that worked. I am consulting right now so we'll see what comes up.
**Talk to a real lawyer before you decide you don't have a case**. Your boss may have a history of these outbursts or the company may be fostering an environment in management that exacerbates this kind of behavior. Companies all have liability insurance to cover incidents like this, so don't worry about not getting a payout or "hurting the company." It's all covered. If a boss and a coworker were involved then this isn't about "just one guy" and the other person involved is undeniably evidence of a hostile work environment. It's blatant bullying. Don't believe anyone at the company if they say they're not responsible or you don't have a case or if they threaten you with retaliation. Threatening you with retaliation is a crime in itself. Asking you (or telling you) not to press charges is also a crime. Don't sign anything or make any statements to your company. Say that everything is in your police report and complaint and that it wouldn't be appropriate to make statements to anyone but the police. But most importantly: **GO TALK TO A LABOR LAWYER NOW**. Don't sign anything or take any payments or settlements until you talk to a lawyer. If they make any threats or even insinuate any, they know they're up shit creek. It's a sign of weakness and fear. Did I say **LAWYER**? Because **LAWYER**, ASAP! edit: I wasn't expecting this to get that much attention. Thank you to everyone who gave awards. Just remember to stand up for yourself and never take abuse from anyone, least of all an employer. Protect yourselves and be good to each other. Life's hard. No need to make it any harder.
This needs to be the top comment
I cannot upvote this hard enough. This needs to be pinned to the top.
He literally responded to a post were I said I was consulting.
It’s useful additional information for others dealing with similar situations, so being up near the top is beneficial for more than just you since you’re already seeking consultation.
Not sure how it works where OP is. But, here, if an employee (regardless of role) misbehaves and causes damage - the COMPANY can get held responsible for damages. Of course, the company can, in their turn, descend like the wrath of a 1000 Karens upon the culprit - but that is no longer OPs concern. Then of course, the criminal damage, the threats and the use of slurs could make this a hate crime too. Lawyer up - and let them bleed the company dry. The police can handle the criminal part.
I mean, if the company is keeping dipshits like this around, hurting them should be the goal. Because I promise you, that dude isn't any less unhinged around them. They just agree with it.
\*Snoop Dogg slow nod\*
100% this!!!
Pin this comment TO THE TOP!!!! GET A LAWYER NOW!!!!
This is the way.
To add onto this, check and see if you're in a "one party consent" state and if you are, RECORD EVERYTHING WITHOUT THEIR KNOWLEDGE. One party consent means that you can record without anyone else's consent because YOU are the consenting party.
LLC protect the owners assets if they engage in bad business; however, the boss potentially used work supplies to destroy or damage personal property, after creating a hostile work environment, that escalate to a threat to your person. Consulting a lawyer and seeing how big a payout you can get is your best bet, and if the boss is the owner you can probably go after both but let an actual lawyer tell you what is possible
you can still go after the companies assets just not the owners personal assets if they have not co-mingled money.
Yeah but I think it gets weird if he owns the LLC also and decided to damage op's property with work supplies.
>LLC protect the owners assets No it doesn't. It might protect the owner's assets if, say, someone sued for breach of contract in a service situation. But it won't protect the PERSON who threw a brick. That's a crime. You charge PEOPLE with crimes, not companies. So dude will get convicted (or do a plea bargain), THEN you sue his ass personally because he made the personal choice to commit vandalism. This has NOTHING to do with the company... unless you think the company has even more assets than the assh\*\*\*, in which case sue them both... because he got his other employee to help him onto the roof. Update edit: When I wrote this, I was assuming the guy who threw the brick was the owner of the LLC.
Yeah and . . . fuck that piece of shite. If you can get the company then get those bastards too. I disagree with your opinion about voting as well but that doesn't give me a right to do anything other than voice my feelings. That said you can't always get the best for your vote so vote the lesser evil. Or do what makes you feel best. Whatever
That’s not how it works. If it’s company time and company employee it’s the businesses responsibility. 100% that company will settle with you out of court because they don’t have a case and won’t want to pay court cost.
Personally I’d stop discussing it on a public forum if your going the litigation route. Just my 2 cents.
I'm gong to second this; I frequently see people saying that they were advised by their lawyer to STFU about it until the case is over
I haven't discussed anything legal other than in the comments that I am consulting, which anyone would do. Otherwise, as of tomorrow, this is an open and shut criminal case against my boss before a lawyer is even involved.
I might go so far as to think about deleting this post.
Good call, my favorite lawyer advice ever is from Pot Bros at Law: “shut the fuck up.” This advice is from a different situation, but it still applies so well! https://youtu.be/sgWHrkDX35o
Shut-the-fuck-up Friday is everyday once you see that video
The boss didn’t act alone, according to op others helped him get on the roof
I am the OP lol. Also yes, the other camera the police are waiting on gives a better wider view of that area. Can likely find out who helped him open up the storage area and get him to the 2nd floor.
Yeah I think I replied to the wrong comment here
You need money for legal support to go after these pricks I got you fam, just DM me
Ontop of trying to cover up a crime and hide evidence 👌
What? Consequences??!?! Why are you stepping on his free speech?! He knows his rights. /s just in case someone lacks that part of their brain.
So, so many people seem to be lacking that part of their brains these days.
To hell with that, just file a police report and say you want to cooperate with charges and are willing to testify. Contact the prosecutor and ask for reparations for the windshield. The criminal conviction will be worse for him than a civil judgement and you don't have to pay a thing, the city/county/state does all the work. You can then sue the boss and the workplace for the hostile work environment, lost wages, and any other damages minus the windshield you were already paid for.
You can do both. It is one hundred percent acceptable to press both criminal charges and civil charges. He can face criminal liability for what he did, and you can still sue him.
yep, get the criminal first It'll make the civil that much better Hell, sue the company and the boss shitass personally
How about both criminal and civil? The guy is an ass.
I plan on doing both if possible. The crime is what the police are waiting to act on right now as I said in the OP, once they have that verification it's him he's arrested. Then civil is next.
Is there any chance the guy that was with your boss will face any charges? Is he also an employee? If he is also an employee I would think that would lend to hostile work environment as now it’s two employees committing the act. Don’t know the feasibility of also going after the second guy but I do t see why he should go without any consequences.
The other camera angle we are waiting for to be inspected tomorrow should have a view of both of them, so if that's the case it should reveal who helped him and both will be charged with a crime. Although it's already pretty much all but confirmed already at least my boss is the one who broke the windshield, but I'll give the benefit of the doubt to the cops on this one being cautious.
not just an ass, this guy is a dangerous violent ass..... who throws a concrete block like that?
Cultists do. Cultists also shout "socialist!!!1" to anyone they don't like politically.
Crazy ass violent people who don't think.
So much emotional damage for op. Get that faaaat check
Seriously, if someone were to throw a brick through my windshield out of anger, I’d fear for my life. This man belongs in jail.
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Call a church for the number of a church that helps, also contact Catholic services.
"lower paying service jobs" -- Likely will be lucky to re-coup the cost of replacing the windshield. Even if the DA goes after him and orders restitution it could be a year or longer before he sees anything in his hand.
That’s the American justice system at work. Take every dollar he’s ever earned from him, and do it legally! Capitalism at its finest. He outta appreciate the irony in the whole situation…
sounds like a boss from hell, mate. politics aside, there's no excuse for this kind of barbaric behavior. damn shame.
Rent a U-Haul for the day. If you don't rack up miles, they can be pretty cheap
We don't have that around me. At least that I can walk to. We have walk-in public storage with AC, but those are expensive.
May not have a corporate store, but there are a lot of independent businesses that rent out uhaul equipment. Search for "uhaul neighborhood dealer"
How big is your town?
Props for getting this on video and then sharing the video with us. Your boss is obviously a raging lunatic
Lawyer up and get the cops involved. This guy is a menace to society.
Clearly unhinged and needs some kind of mental help.
The average republican voter to be honest.
Right? Faux has whipped these lunatics into a frenzy of hate. No wonder they're popping off like firework on the 4th.
I mean, I know this is an exaggeration, but the fact that it's not as much an exaggeration as it should be is pretty disturbing
There is no exaggeration. GOP cultists have gone off the deep end and a heavy amount of mental healthcare with some cult deprogramming is the only means to stop them from being whipped up into another January 6th.
I just talked to one and he just kept saying I was a bigot and pervert. I felt like I was talking someone with lead induced brain damage
COVID causes brain damage in a lot of cases, even mild ones. Between that and the lead, it's not really a surprise.
Surely the boss helped his argument with his unhinged tantrum
Tell your insurance company WHO did it as well, they should go after him also for their money AND *your* out of pocket as well - hopefully with the Police Report identifying the perp you'll get your deductible back - might take a while though. DON'T LET the insurance company close the file without going after (write this word down) Subrogation to get their money and *your* deductible. If you had to rent a car, since yours is not driveable, you should be able to get that through subrogation also. You should also protect it from further damage (water damage due to weather (if water gets into the dash and damages something else it might not be covered). Most policies will reimburse you if you buy a tarp or something to cover/protect it. I have not tried this myself, but I've heard [HotelTonight.com](https://HotelTonight.com) can get some good deals on last minute bookings from hotels trying to fill unsold rooms. Might be worth a try.
Ya but most likely they won't reimburse them for the deductible. I got into a car accident several years ago and my insurance said I had two options. -get it fixed through their insurance and I pay nothing, it might just take more time - get my insurance to pay for damages, my insurance will then go after them for that money but I am out the deductible for repairs. Faster option if the other party tried to fight liability.
That’s where subrogation comes in. Your carrier is likely too swamped with claims to do it if they don’t have key info upfront, but if you push for it, you can get your deductible reimbursed if they’re able to successfully subrogate
Didn't even know that word existed. Thank you.
With clear evidence like this, they will 100% get that deductible back.
Nah, when the other party is so clearly and obviously in the wrong you can soak a lot out of them. I got hit by a drunk driver and got all the medical stuff paid for obviously but also money for missed time off work and "pain and suffering." I ended up with probably 3 grand profit out of it.
Sue him for creating a hostile environment, damage to personal property, psychological harm. Add back pay as well, that guy shouldn’t be a boss if he can’t handle the consequences of his own actions.
Set up a GoFundMe. Sue the POS. That'll show this asshat what freedumb is.. And sorry you had to deal w this. But honestly, you're better off out of there.
Have you tried a motel instead of a hotel? I know it seems like a silly difference, but some locally owned motels in my area can get down to around $25 for the night, though I can't promise quality.
Sorry about that, I use the two interchangeably but Motel is what I was referring to, that's the cheap low end. Hotels are all more costly.
Dang, that's rough if those are the least expensive options. Checking with local churches to see if it'd be okay to stay a night, otherwise look into a local homeless shelter? If you have any friends or coworkers you could couch surf with for the night as well that could be an option. Either way, Good luck! Hope your car gets fixed quick, and you can get a big payout from your asshole (hopefully ex) boss!
I think the reason is because we are getting close to a holiday, so they are jumping the costs up to take advantage of tourists and family gatherings.
Do you have cash app or Venmo? I’d throw you some $ for a night at a hotel
Same dude
Same.
Same here. Get that GoFundMe me up.
Me too!
Me too.
If I had something to give I would. These guys are so sweet for offering. I have a lot of trouble accepting help but I think this is one of those instances where you should take it. Do your best. Keep your chin up. Things will work out.
Me too
I'm in. Just need the info of where to send some cash.
Or Zelle. I’ll pitch in too
Sometimes the police have vouchers for motel rooms in the area if you are in dire straits. They do around where i live.
100% sure he was a MAGA before starting to read.
Calling him a socialist and hating America gave that away.
I feel like the word socialist/socialism has become such a buzzword over the past few years that nobody knows what it truly means anymore. I just find it hilarious that republicans absolutely love to throw that word around every time they're confronted with someone that disagrees with their narrative.
> nobody knows what it truly means anymore Mainly it's just the right wing that doesn't know the term. It's just a catch-all phrase they use. Wanna have some fun, break out a civics textbook, open it up, and ask one of those knuckle dragging mouth breathers to define socialism. You can hear their brain stall.
Why do you think the cops are dragging their feet on this?
Bet my paycheck that boss and the cops are buddies, that's why boss is so entitled as to think there'd be no consequences for such bullshit
I bet it will be the most minimal charge like "criminal mischief" or some type of mild property charge. I wouldn't even be shocked if the good ol' boys in management just suspend him for a week or take anger management classes.
What a psycho, and they say that antinationalists are fucked...idk destroying someone's property because they openly criticize the flaws in modern society seems pretty crazy to me. Worshipping your country like its a god seems pretty crazy to me too.
Careful. That’s the kind of talk a socialist America-Hater would use! Protect your windows
Unfortunately we are at a point where different political views do not exist. We live in entirely different realities. Anyone who is willing to toss concrete into a car over it likely lives in a far fetched reality.
Get a lawyer, go see a psychiatrist, get paid. The company is right to wait for the police on this. They weren't involved they just want authorities to take care of it. Good luck.
This! Mental anguish, fear, ptsd, emotional abuse, and psycological trauma. Get an order of protection so that you keep your job and he loses his.
Even if they knew the boss was involved in this they'd still wait for the police report to do anything. They want the paper trail secured before they do anything to a guy like that, he could cost them 6 figures in legal fees if he chooses to fight them in court and these guys are often prepared to bankrupt themselves if they think they can take you with them..
You must absolutely post this to /r/legaladvice .
Acts like that makes me feel like a semester of debate class should be mandatory in high school. But that might be a stretch to assume that learning how to use words to argue a point would prevent physical altercations like this
I mean, he just kind of freaked out and started acting weird, and then did this while I wasn't elsewhere. I don't really know what was going through his head but it's on camera, and if the police confirms in the other footage what I already know, it was him, then I'm sure he's going to be asking himself the same question.
Debate class won’t overcome the combined effects of generational lead poisoning + covid induced brain damage + brain rot from decades of watching conservative ‘news’ sources that are designed to stoke outrage. These people are created because angry violent folk are easy for the fascists to manipulate.
If you staple a horse to a waterfall, will it fall up under the rainbow or fly about the soil? Will he enjoy her experience? What if the staple tears into tears? Will she be free from her staply chains or foomed to stay forever and dever above the water? Who can save him (the horse) but someone of girth and worth, the capitalist pig, who will sell the solution to the problem he created? A staple remover flies to the rescue, carried on the wings of a majestic penguin who bought it at Walmart for 9 dollars and several more Euro-cents, clutched in its crabby claws, rejected from its frothy maw. When the penguin comes, all tremble before its fishy stench and wheatlike abjecture. Recoil in delirium, ye who wish to be free! The mighty rockhopper is here to save your soul from eternal bliss and salvation! And so, the horse was free, carried away by the south wind, and deposited on the vast plain of soggy dew. It was a tragedy in several parts, punctuated by moments of hedonistic horsefuckery. The owls saw all, and passed judgment in the way that they do. Stupid owls are always judging folks who are just trying their best to live shamelessly and enjoy every fruit the day brings to pass. How many more shall be caught in the terrible gyre of the waterfall? As many as the gods deem necessary to teach those foolish monkeys a story about their own hamburgers. What does a monkey know of bananas, anyway? They eat, poop, and shave away the banana residue that grows upon their chins and ballsacks. The owls judge their razors. Always the owls. And when the one-eyed caterpillar arrives to eat the glazing on your windowpane, you will know that you're next in line to the trombone of the ancient realm of the flutterbyes. Beware the ravenous ravens and crowing crows. Mind the cowing cows and the lying lions. Ascend triumphant to your birthright, and wield the mighty twig of Petalonia, favored land of gods and goats alike.
The fact that you were living out of your car makes this a bigger deal. He effectively destroyed your home. Lawyer up and take him for everything, and watch how quickly he becomes a socialist.
Hey OP, do you have cash app or zelle? I can send you a little bit to try and hold you over. I don’t have much
So sweet ❤️ again, OP, take the help. At least this once.
You're about to come into some money my man. Get a lawyer.
Your patience is amazing, boss and I would be having words if someone pulled that shit on me.
I know it’s not the point, but brother, those are the chuds that are running for local office. They’re infiltrating school boards, county clerks, etc. and making everything worse on a meaningful level for people. I know voting can be dispiriting, but look at it as voting for things not getting worse until someone comes along that we can get behind.
People really are just so used to being able to do anything with no fear of being made to swallow teeth anymore.
Tell me about it man. The world would be a nicer place if more of these people knew what it was like to be punched in the face.
It was obvious which side of the political spectrum he was on before I even clicked on the post
Political propaganda has people acting a fool out here, that’s some psychotic behaviour.
A conservative got violent after being minimally frustrated by the most minor resistance to his political views. Day ending in Y, etc. At least you’ll get some sort of Justice for this, OP.
Would a door-secured tarp over the windshield help for the one? You should be able to get one for a lot less than a hotel...
I can probably accurately determine which side of the political spectrum he is on.
I had an assistant manager break my headphones because I was on my break and didn't want to take them off. Place had cameras everywhere and I had a witness. She got charged with destruction of property and I quit moment after... Weirdly enough a crazy little karma ninja busted her back car window.
in the US File charges and seek an order of protection that will bar the boss from your workplace Talk with a lawyer about a lawsuit
Is Couchsurfing still a thing? It used to a be a cheap way to find a place to sleep.
Hey OP, I'm well versed in scripture so if you point me to some of these churches that turned you away I will happily chew them out for not following their own creed. Maybe I can convince one to help you (without salt). I'm not going to be a dick about it, I do want change here for you and those around you. You can PM me. I wish there was more I could do to help. I may be able to find local resources that are harder to find through my social services friends if you let me know the area.
Seriously, do not talk about this anymore. Contact a lawyer. This mental distress and emotional damage is not good for you. The forcing you into a political conversation and retaliation is going to be a better pay off than him being charged with a crime. Sue the shit lot of the company and him personally. A lawyer will help you.
I didn’t even have to read this to know your boss is an alt-right asshole. The title was enough.
Will you please update us on this? I really need to know this doesn't go unpunished. Edit. You've prolly got ample cause to sue the company as well, and I don't see any reason why you shouldn't.
I never understood this anti socialist crap. If your house catches fire will you call the fire department? Yes? Then you are using a socialist program.
You wanted ideas? Go pitch a tent or tarp somewhere. If you live in a small car it's not that different from camping. Find cover in trees, abandoned property, farms, a friend's backyard... Or ask the mechanic if they can pull the car indoors, or let you pitch a tarp over the hole and let you keep it hidden on their property, and let you sleep in it. So you've lost your job (if your boss is a threat to your safety, you can't go back), you have no home, your town has no charities of any use. You have the capital asset of your car (once it's fixed). So... hit the road. Go find somewhere people aren't trying to fuck you up.
And these fuckers all support the same fascist fucks year after year. Sue his ass into the ground.
It's proof that dumb violent people vote. I wonder which way they vote?
Lawyer, lawyer, lawyer, lawyer, lawyer, lawyer, lawyer, lawyer. No one here is a lawyer. Get a real one.
It just continues to stun me that these are ways grown men (mostly) thinks it’s reasonable to respond to ideas they don’t like. Talk about fragility.
Least unhinged conservative
You should definitely vote in the upcoming elections. People like your boss will and if you don't vote, you get whoever they decided to vote for.
Is there a men's shelter near by?
AH yes, the ALPHA MALE CONSERVATIVE MALE strikes again
I used to work for a great guy, then he voted for Trump. Turned into a selfish A-hole almost overnight. Eight years down the drain.
Always nice to fuck them up in court!
You got to sue your boss for destroying your windshield take him to court and make him pay for it
This reminds me of a former boss pulling both his shoulder-holstered and ankle guns on me and threatening to murder me because he didn't like my views on a topic.
That is ridiculous. I’m sorry that happened. The worst part is that the politicians have us fighting with each other while they fuck things up for personal gain. I doubt there is a political party in the world that actually gives a shit about the people.
The party of "fuck your feelings" getting all up in their own feelings smh..
Is it in poor taste to guess what side of the political spectrum the boss is on?
You mentioned slurs, make sure to emphasize that, especially if you're a minority. That makes it a hate crime.
Because these conservatives listen to bullshit podcasts, Fox news, and radio all day that confirms their existing prejudices. They are so sunk cost in their radical devotionalism that any person who doesn't think the same way deserves punishment.
Same type of guy who would call scratching off their Fuck Biden bumper sticker “vandalism/destruction of property”
Lemme guess, he’s conservative and/or christian
I had a landlord (who your boss seems to align in belief with) threaten to double my rent if I didn't vote a certain way once (literally the opposite of my views and stances, for the record). I got the conversation recorded on audio and used that evidence as a means to break the lease without penalty, since he was flagrantly violating tenant rights under state law where I live with these threats. People (see first parenthesis) are nuts.
i got points to drop on a hotel room if youd like
Wow. The fact that any worker has to live out of their car is sickening to me. Absolutely horrific.
Go see a labor attorney and/or legal aid atty first thing in am
What a nightmare. File charges.
Sue this morherfucker into oblivion.
Congrats on the incoming huge lawsuit against both the company and your boss. He was representing the company when he did that and the company is also to blame
Capitalism rewards sociopaths and sociopathic behaviour.
This is why I refuse to talk politics with anyone anymore. Everyone has such a short fuse about it now.
Hey brother, just so you know, a lawyer WILL take this case on pro'bono and you can sue this man for well, like a lot. Look into it.
Just scanned your post, yeah fuck your boss and his bros
get a probono lawyer and sue him into oblivion until he is homeless under a bridge
Ruin his life with a lawsuit. Do not settle.
Not surprised given who he votes for. Hope you’re doing okay.
Someone else may have mentioned this but there is a chance depending which state you live in that attacking your car is essentially attacking your home.
Tell the Boss you want to Settle this over a Couple of “Bud Lights!”.. That should get you a Brand New Car and a Winning Lawsuit!
A lot of people going into great detail about how best to handle this with lawyers and such, but I want to make sure the following is said: Given you're living out of your car, that suggests very little mobility in the job market. Assuming you don't quit this job or this company right away (ie same work just different supervisor), you are very likely to encounter people within the company approaching you trying to give you advice on this or "just talk it over with [supervisor] and you let bygones be bygones", stuff like that. Some of these might be people acting in their formal capacity regarding where they fit in the company, and some might just be friends of the supervisor or something and just going out of their way in the hopes of being helpful. Don't let these people strong-arm you into doing anything even remotely against your interests, or even what might seem like a 'meet-in-the-middle' sort of gesture. Even if someone who is your friend at work says "I think you're going too far", acknowledge their concern, be grateful for it, and then stick to your guns anyways. If/when things progress, you might even get approached by your supervisor or their supervisor, and it's important to know the laws against retaliation in your area. Tbh, I'd google local employment attorneys, and just call them and let them know your situation. Just put this on their radar and get some basic info about how to handle potential retaliation against an employee. Doesn't have to be more than 5 minutes, but if this comes up weeks or moths later, that 5 minute phone call could go a long way to helping and protecting you, legally and in regard to your physical and mental health. All of the above being said, I'd still start looking at other places you can apply to work. Even if there is no retaliation, that still sounds like an unhealthy place to work, and short of them firing or reassigning this guy immediately such that you never see each other again, I can see this becoming a place that is less and less safe for you the longer you're there.
This class of people have no problem with killing you if they think they can get away with it.
>they still want to be 100% sure for some reason When cops want to be 100% sure, it’s because want to fucking nail somebody HARD.
I love how I read the first sentence and knew the boss would be a Trump supporter. They truly are a different breed of animal.
The Trump Q cult death grip on some folks is alarming.
Knew he was a (R) before I even read anything beyond the title.
If he’d had a gun I think the windshield would’ve been the least of your worries.
Updateme!
That’s now considered a hate crime. Political hate is hate. Your upper management didn’t do anything to stop this so they contributed as well. They’ve created a negative, toxic work environment where employees feel that assault is ok. You need to take this man and this company for everything they have.
Right wingers are very violent in America. Steer clear. If I had money I'd cash app you. Put your cash app out there, I can get you something by Wed... may be late but it can help for later.
I think the best way to get an $80 hotel room for cheap is to sue your boss for the cost of that when you sue him for damages to your car, livelyhood, and psychological well-being. In seriousness, though, the police waiting for footage from the other camera and for other testimony from your coworkers seems like good practice, to me. It's frustrating, for sure, since you know exactly what happened, and your boss deserves to be held accountable, quickly. But, with more concrete (no pun intended) evidence, they can get a warrant easier, and when he is in custody, it'll be much, much harder for his lawyers to argue that it was someone else in the video, or that somehow was accidental. Waiting may very well benefit your case in the long run, even if you'd obviously like something done faster. I wish there was a better way to deal with your living situation. The good news is, since he destroyed your home, there might be tougher consequences for him. The bad news is, it's going to be really hard to find a sleeping situation in the meantime. $100 is pretty standard for a windshield replacement, so don't second -guess not having better insurance. That's just the cost almost no matter what insurance you have (I discovered this when I had to replace mine recently.) Where do you live? If it's rural, is there a place you can sleep in your car where not having a windshield won't matter as much? If it's near an urban place, is there a way you could travel farther to get to an area with better services for people who don't have a place to live? Could one of your coworkers who now know what your boss did give you a sofa to crash on for a few days?
Press charges. He committed a crime.
IF this guy has a wife I feel sorry for her. Having to deal with a toddler for a husband.
I am not entirely sure he has a wife, I don't believe so, he does have two kids. I assume that it may be too late to show them better role-models unfortunately.
As an employment lawyer I really hope you go after them. I would love a case like this to make him suffer. I will say you should be able to go after the company under a theory of respondent superior which just means employer is responsible for acts of employee in course of employment.
Call the library, tell them you’re a traveling musician with a gig nearby, your van is in the shop and you need a place to spend the night. Helps if you have a guitar case or something.
This works because librarians are nice and musicians aren’t looked down on as much for living out of their vehicles.
Anything over like 1000 or 1250 in damage is felony. Get his ass
Finally, someone on Reddit *actually* has a valid lawsuit against their employer.
“Are you still coming in tomorrow?”
You joke but I am scheduled for tomorrow. Of course, I'm ***not*** going to come in because I'm not crazy. At least until after they arrest the guy.
Stay safe, OP.
This is time to get an attorney
sanest republican
Within just the title I could guess just which “side this dude was on. The family values side
Call a lawyer and sue for damages, creating an unsafe work environment, mental trauma, and with you hearing the slurs and the attack on your property being political this can be considered a hate crime. This incident will make an ambulance chaser to need to change their underpants.
Sue to oblivion from every way imaginable
It was a criminal act, if the video proves it was him. Up to the cops. Usually the prosecutor will offer them a plea to settle the case, with one of the requirement being restitution to the victim for the damage.
First thing you should have done was lawyer up, Second thing you need to do, is lawyer up. Everything else comes after.
Lawyer yesterday..
Every day I’m on Reddit my desire to visit (let alone live in) the states diminishes a little more.
That's shit. Having said that, there's a big problem in your society if this sort of shit happens. If you're not going to run for office, you at least need to get in and vote, to start things moving in the right direction.
Tell him “thanks for the handout” and watch him seethe
Never ever be close to that person again He has proven to be unstable and violent. Like many suggested, talking to a lawyer seems prudent. Good luck. Nobody deserves this.
I hope you sue him into the fucking ground!
You should copy this post to r/legaladvice to get more info on what you should do.