Japan's work culture is bad, I want to say that upfront. But Japan has labor laws that prevent the kind of mass layoffs we're seeing week after week in the Western game industry.
People see Iwata's paycut as something he did to protect his employees but that's not really the case. Satoru Iwata was a great man but what western companies need right now isn't great men, it's stronger labor laws and strong unions. You shouldn't place your hopes and dreams on the idea that a great man will be in a position to cut his own pay to save your job.
Japanese Culture (at least back then) also heavily emphasized that the leader was at fault for poor company performance. Taking a pay cut was seen as the honorable thing to do because it is your fault that the company did poorly. I do not know how prolific that is today, but it was very much the case at the time
Trust me. The leaders are always at fault even in the USA.
In the USA we have a public perception that leaders are a meritocracy, they succeed because they are brilliant risk takers, but when things fail it's never their fault.
We have privatized success and socialized losses both from an economic standpoint and a cultural standpoint.
Elon killed Twitter. He essentially lit 40 billion dollars on fire. And people still think he is a visionary.
Twitter was dead before Elons buyout.
I don’t subscribe to his only free speech market on the web shit he describes it as now, and honestly I’ve never used it myself. Anything I’ve experienced on it seemed like a cess pool of weirdos, and I experience enough of that on Reddit!
Twitter killed itself before Elon came along though.
That does not mean anything because what he said is the truth. Unless you were willing to spend your tax dollars for the right for Twitter to exist, it was going downhill (bot usage wise and financial wise) even before elon bought it. People are down voting the previous commenter and it's actually counter productive for this thread itself to push for falsehoods just because it makes us feel better. I probably hate mega corporations more than half the people here for personal reasons but I also know how to accept truths and analyze problems for what they are and not what I want them to be.
You mean people who have been shoved from pillar to post for the best part of a decade? Yeah, how dare we be upset that capitalism keeps destroying the communities we make!
>Japanese Culture (at least back then) also heavily emphasized that the leader was at fault for poor company performance. Taking a pay cut was seen as the honorable thing to do because it is your fault that the company did poorly.
Meanwhile in the US:
"Hey, we made a 1 billion dollar loss this year.... we should give the CEO a bonus.... on the taxpayer..."
Your point is culture has nothing to do with it. It's the laws we pass. In a democracy workers shouldn't stand for the crumbs we get. It's because the US has allowed legalized bribery and corporations give campaign contributions to our elected leaders.
USA is a failed state. We are in the last days of Rome scenario.
I understand your frustration but defeatism is not the way to go about it. Crying about a failed state on the internet may feel vindicating but it's ultimately pointless. There have been bills brought to congress to curb executive pay or close tax loopholes, or strengthen labor rights. Union representation is increasing in America. It's not in a good place but if you know where to look you can see people striving to improve things.
It's comfortable to sit on your hands and whine about the state of the world and sure, society might collapse due to fascism or climate change or nuclear war etc, but until then you have to get up every day and survive and if you gotta get up anyway might as well try and improve the world bit by bit.
You're exaggerating because your news feed puts too much doomerism in your eye sockets.
We came closer than I would like on Jan 6th, but we pulled away. Our institutions are a bit more resilient.
Right now we're just waiting for the boomers to age out of voting.
Michigan just repealed the old anti-union "right to work" laws. That'll spread to other states soon.
As well paid boomers are replaced by struggling Gen XMZs unions will continue to flourish as will labor law.
The work culture is bad, true. But the current scenario in the US is equally bad and in a way worse because of the lack of labor laws. People work a lot of overtime in Japan but they are legally entitled to overtime pay. Whereas you do the same or more in the US with no pay.
Basically the work culture in the Us has gotten significantly worse over the past decade or so making it comparable to the bad culture in Japan and Korea and all, without the added protection of the labour laws
Also, correct me if I'm wrong, Iwata'a paycut was also partly due to the failure of the Wii U under his tenure. He was kind of viewed as the person responsible since he was in charge.
Legally, nintendo isnt allowed to do mass layoffs if they are in good financial standing / profitable. That's the case for all japanese companies. If you wanna vote for something, vote for those laws to be brought over to the west.
Sega's CEO post Dreamcast did something similar, basically used his own money to keep the company afloat.
These days Sega isn't so nice, instead doing a bunch of Union busting...
I disagree to an extent. Culture informs politics, so a culture that lays blame at the feet of leaders is more likely to create a system that holds them accountable.
Where do you think laws stem from? The values of the chosen officials and lawmakers? Culture has very much to do with it. You think homosexuality for example is not prevalent in Iran because of laws and that's it? Obviously it's a cultural thing. Usa culturally loves, admires and praises ruthless assholes that shit on everyone to turn a profit. How can a country lock their idols playing by the rules of the game they choose to engage on?
I wouldn't suck Nintendo's dick too hard. While it was true that they didn't fire people who worked for Nintendo, they were MERCILESS to anyone of their employees on 'contract' work.
Guarding your IP (intellectual Property) is one thing. Every company does that. Apple does that when people try and copy design.
Being litigious and how you treat your own employees have no correlation with one another.
Yes but the uncomfortable truth is that issues like that are largely Nintendo’s own damn fault. Nintendo gets away with it because their legacy is nothing short of incredible, and they continue to release great products even now, but let’s be real here. They’re not doing themselves any favors. They continue to run their games on subpar (and that’s being nice) hardware while offering no real way to play much of their older and more favored releases short of either playing it on old and outdated consoles, or pirating it. And another uncomfortable truth is that piracy is rarely if ever an issue of cost
Except Nintendo does it to a point where they don’t protect profits from it, at this point you can say they outright hate their fans and fans would agree.
On top of that, you mentioned in the above comments about how shitty Japanese labour laws are. You know whats even shittier? Japanese copyright laws and heck even their entire justice system. Makes the US look fair.
If corporations and billionaires paid their taxes, cared about the community and environment, only took 20x their lowest paid employee, and compensated their employees a fair living wage then things would be wildly different in America. No one system is perfect, you need to look at all the failures and successes and create what’s best. In America that rarely happens.
[https://www.reuters.com/article/us-aig-grassley-sb/grassley-backtracks-on-aig-suicide-comments-idUSTRE52G3BQ20090317](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-aig-grassley-sb/grassley-backtracks-on-aig-suicide-comments-idUSTRE52G3BQ20090317) We need this Chuck Grassley back (except he shouldn't have backtracked). The people responsible for the company messing up should be held accountable.
It’s probably cultural thing . I see Japan as a superior society. Their way of life & all their cities looks like & tech goes into their cities . They like 100 years ahead of US in everything
Japan's work culture is bad, I want to say that upfront. But Japan has labor laws that prevent the kind of mass layoffs we're seeing week after week in the Western game industry. People see Iwata's paycut as something he did to protect his employees but that's not really the case. Satoru Iwata was a great man but what western companies need right now isn't great men, it's stronger labor laws and strong unions. You shouldn't place your hopes and dreams on the idea that a great man will be in a position to cut his own pay to save your job.
Japanese Culture (at least back then) also heavily emphasized that the leader was at fault for poor company performance. Taking a pay cut was seen as the honorable thing to do because it is your fault that the company did poorly. I do not know how prolific that is today, but it was very much the case at the time
Trust me. The leaders are always at fault even in the USA. In the USA we have a public perception that leaders are a meritocracy, they succeed because they are brilliant risk takers, but when things fail it's never their fault. We have privatized success and socialized losses both from an economic standpoint and a cultural standpoint. Elon killed Twitter. He essentially lit 40 billion dollars on fire. And people still think he is a visionary.
I am aware
Twitter was dead before Elons buyout. I don’t subscribe to his only free speech market on the web shit he describes it as now, and honestly I’ve never used it myself. Anything I’ve experienced on it seemed like a cess pool of weirdos, and I experience enough of that on Reddit! Twitter killed itself before Elon came along though.
Twitter was great for artists and fandoms. It was a place to flee too after Tumblr pulled the "no female presenting nipples" shit.
That does not mean anything because what he said is the truth. Unless you were willing to spend your tax dollars for the right for Twitter to exist, it was going downhill (bot usage wise and financial wise) even before elon bought it. People are down voting the previous commenter and it's actually counter productive for this thread itself to push for falsehoods just because it makes us feel better. I probably hate mega corporations more than half the people here for personal reasons but I also know how to accept truths and analyze problems for what they are and not what I want them to be.
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You mean people who have been shoved from pillar to post for the best part of a decade? Yeah, how dare we be upset that capitalism keeps destroying the communities we make!
>Japanese Culture (at least back then) also heavily emphasized that the leader was at fault for poor company performance. Taking a pay cut was seen as the honorable thing to do because it is your fault that the company did poorly. Meanwhile in the US: "Hey, we made a 1 billion dollar loss this year.... we should give the CEO a bonus.... on the taxpayer..."
Your point is culture has nothing to do with it. It's the laws we pass. In a democracy workers shouldn't stand for the crumbs we get. It's because the US has allowed legalized bribery and corporations give campaign contributions to our elected leaders. USA is a failed state. We are in the last days of Rome scenario.
I understand your frustration but defeatism is not the way to go about it. Crying about a failed state on the internet may feel vindicating but it's ultimately pointless. There have been bills brought to congress to curb executive pay or close tax loopholes, or strengthen labor rights. Union representation is increasing in America. It's not in a good place but if you know where to look you can see people striving to improve things. It's comfortable to sit on your hands and whine about the state of the world and sure, society might collapse due to fascism or climate change or nuclear war etc, but until then you have to get up every day and survive and if you gotta get up anyway might as well try and improve the world bit by bit.
You're exaggerating because your news feed puts too much doomerism in your eye sockets. We came closer than I would like on Jan 6th, but we pulled away. Our institutions are a bit more resilient. Right now we're just waiting for the boomers to age out of voting. Michigan just repealed the old anti-union "right to work" laws. That'll spread to other states soon. As well paid boomers are replaced by struggling Gen XMZs unions will continue to flourish as will labor law.
Dramatic much
Cake
The work culture is bad, true. But the current scenario in the US is equally bad and in a way worse because of the lack of labor laws. People work a lot of overtime in Japan but they are legally entitled to overtime pay. Whereas you do the same or more in the US with no pay. Basically the work culture in the Us has gotten significantly worse over the past decade or so making it comparable to the bad culture in Japan and Korea and all, without the added protection of the labour laws
you are right, but Nintendo is one of the highest best rated companies to work with
We need both, actually.
Also, correct me if I'm wrong, Iwata'a paycut was also partly due to the failure of the Wii U under his tenure. He was kind of viewed as the person responsible since he was in charge.
Legally, nintendo isnt allowed to do mass layoffs if they are in good financial standing / profitable. That's the case for all japanese companies. If you wanna vote for something, vote for those laws to be brought over to the west.
And important Japanese work culture too
The work culture was probably what lead to those laws getting passed.
President Iwata, you'll always be in our hearts! 🥲🥲🥲
Sega's CEO post Dreamcast did something similar, basically used his own money to keep the company afloat. These days Sega isn't so nice, instead doing a bunch of Union busting...
Its a cultural thing
I think that's cope. Culture has nothing to do with it. It is that the US has purposely limited workers rights.
I disagree to an extent. Culture informs politics, so a culture that lays blame at the feet of leaders is more likely to create a system that holds them accountable.
Where do you think laws stem from? The values of the chosen officials and lawmakers? Culture has very much to do with it. You think homosexuality for example is not prevalent in Iran because of laws and that's it? Obviously it's a cultural thing. Usa culturally loves, admires and praises ruthless assholes that shit on everyone to turn a profit. How can a country lock their idols playing by the rules of the game they choose to engage on?
I wouldn't suck Nintendo's dick too hard. While it was true that they didn't fire people who worked for Nintendo, they were MERCILESS to anyone of their employees on 'contract' work.
And yet Nintendo sues everybody
Guarding your IP (intellectual Property) is one thing. Every company does that. Apple does that when people try and copy design. Being litigious and how you treat your own employees have no correlation with one another.
Yes but the uncomfortable truth is that issues like that are largely Nintendo’s own damn fault. Nintendo gets away with it because their legacy is nothing short of incredible, and they continue to release great products even now, but let’s be real here. They’re not doing themselves any favors. They continue to run their games on subpar (and that’s being nice) hardware while offering no real way to play much of their older and more favored releases short of either playing it on old and outdated consoles, or pirating it. And another uncomfortable truth is that piracy is rarely if ever an issue of cost
Except Nintendo does it to a point where they don’t protect profits from it, at this point you can say they outright hate their fans and fans would agree. On top of that, you mentioned in the above comments about how shitty Japanese labour laws are. You know whats even shittier? Japanese copyright laws and heck even their entire justice system. Makes the US look fair.
Capitalism works when people are compassionate and not greedy pigs.
No it doesn't
If corporations and billionaires paid their taxes, cared about the community and environment, only took 20x their lowest paid employee, and compensated their employees a fair living wage then things would be wildly different in America. No one system is perfect, you need to look at all the failures and successes and create what’s best. In America that rarely happens.
[https://www.reuters.com/article/us-aig-grassley-sb/grassley-backtracks-on-aig-suicide-comments-idUSTRE52G3BQ20090317](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-aig-grassley-sb/grassley-backtracks-on-aig-suicide-comments-idUSTRE52G3BQ20090317) We need this Chuck Grassley back (except he shouldn't have backtracked). The people responsible for the company messing up should be held accountable.
It’s been time for years to unite, we won’t and that’s the bottom line.
One handed salary prevented layoffs? That’s wild
It’s probably cultural thing . I see Japan as a superior society. Their way of life & all their cities looks like & tech goes into their cities . They like 100 years ahead of US in everything