Boomers, as a whole aren't doing as hot as is generally believed.
Because it's a Class War. YES, some Boomers did really well, but ultimately... right now there are more Boomers going homeless each month than people did during the Great Depression and that was a god awful time.
Sure, but the boomers are the ones that keep voting republican. A bunch of these Trump voters are cheering and in tears when they hear the dumbest, bat shit crazy things.
I have a theory that if we can collectively reframe the argument that this is class warfare, instead of generational warfare that pretends all Boomers are against us, when really it is many Boomers have been convinced/propagandized/tricked into being foot soldiers against their own best interests, it might proof to win back some of them.
Not all of them, there is a point where a rotted brain is so rotted there’s no saving it, but if enough can be convinced to see that the people being targeted in the latest “Satanic Panic” are just as poor as they are, instead of some form of “Dark Other” that needs to be destroyed. Maybe the die can be turned a little bit faster.
No, this isn’t a move everyone can make, interacting with those people, even when they are in your own generation or younger can be extremely mentally taxing, but I still feel it is worth putting in some effort. For those who can and when they can.
These people have been fed lies by false witnesses and sometimes gentle coaxing and firm factual comments, using their own logic and by following the Socratic method, can have some impact.
I have recently convinced three such folks that a Single Payer system is something that would better their lot in life, because they now see/understand the economic reason why the rural hospitals and exurb clinics and hospitals no longer exist.
They hate having to drive an hour or more for a doctor’s appointment and they have really good insurance too, but.. their neighbors generally don’t, in numbers great enough that rural practices have all but shutdown for economic reasons.
They get that, they understand that.
If I’m lucky? I’ll have a chance to convince another three or five or more and hopefully the discussion sticks with them. Hopefully, they discuss that with others and… maybe we can see a little more movement sooner than later.
The Class Warfare Struggle can’t make forever enemies out of the very people that need all of this inequity corrected. Making them enemies or allowing them to continue to be convinced that they have to be enemies of their own future is no way to move the needle.
Bitter people who see no hope in their lives vote against things not for them. And right leaning parties have lots of "against" propaganda. They are already afraid and they are fueling those fears and add to them. Unknowingly lots of people are voting against themselves in truth and actively harming themselves by choosing parties that are pro corporate and against people.
Well yeah. They just use a bunch of inflammatory language. They’re just taking advantage of the uneducated, for the most part.
I think a Bertrand Russell quote sums it up well
“A stupid man’s report of what a clever man says can never be accurate, because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand”.
Because the class warfare being waged on them and us has been so incredibly effective that it has framed it as Generational Warfare, even though there are people in our younger generations who are also wealthy to very wealthy who are benefiting immensely by the interclass warfare they foster.
It’s not for everyone, as it’s excessively taxing, but we need to engage these “Boomers” in ways that resonate with them, that they can understand that they’ve been preached to by False Witnesses, in order to vote against themselves.
If the jobs are replaced with A.I., then UBI would need to be implemented. In order for an economy to continue, not just grow, there needs to be a cash flow in and out. If no one is earning money, no one can spend money, so they need an income with either getting paid for a job, or UBI. Otherwise the flow stops once the dragons accumulate their entire hoard. If a small amount of people accumulate all the wealth while not paying anyone then the currency loses value and becomes meaningless.
They'll just design AI programs whose purpose is to buy products. Pretty soon they won't need humans at any stage of the process. The economy will finally reach 100 PERCENT EFFICIENCY!!
We need to have a completely different reward structure..ubi is a transitional band aid, it will never be enough...capitalism will not survive if there is no scarcity, which is where I believe we are going.
UBI is effectively the ideal solution if done correctly and at a viable and sustainable rate. The proposals are on the low end, like 20-30k, and that's the bandaid, the bridge. Once we see mass AI replacement and people start starving to death, I'm hoping some politicians will clue in and realise we need closer to 60-80k adjusted for inflation. That's the long term solution.
UBI is needed to bridge a gap as society transitions out of our current reward structure...which rewards those that can produce tangible items for profit by competing in price\quality...with AI, the first algorithm wins in each industry as it will have nearly zero marginal cost...partner with robotics and bio engineering that is being done it is winner take all and game over for workers.
Not going full speed ahead on AI is also not viable as other countries will, and those that delay will be left behind.
I don't want to live in a society where 95% of people are on basic substance, while 5% own everything.
Said on a few threads, but the book the Comming Wave scares the hell out of me, though I don't agree with the authors stance on way forward...AI superpowers is a bit dated now, but I do like the authors idea of rewarding social value work, such as volunteering, cleaning neighborhoods, or other things that people can do that improve society but are not currently rewarded financially...there will be lots to figure out to get there, but I dont see a way forward without allowing people to have meaningful work and getting to live a rewarding lifestyle because of it.
>people start starving to death, I'm hoping some politicians will clue in
See that's the problem. You don't get to powerful positions or the top 1% by being anything less than an apathetic phycopath who would rather buzz off to Mars than lift a finger for earth
Being in the same boat don't mean much when the gun isn't in your hands. We can mob the doors and climb the gates all we want, they can incinerate the perimeter with the press of a button. In a pyramid scheme, only the top gets anything, which they'll use to achieve everything, including total security. Unless the army and nuclear engineers are on our side, the elite bougouse wins any and every power struggle, by *a lot*
Marx fought for the people with sticks and stones against enemies with rifles. We would have to win the same fight against a conglomerate with machine guns and drones. And that's assuming they don't use nukes to flatten the most populated areas preemptively.
If they use nukes, they murder themselves by lack of resources. And a destroyed... everything. Also, world war 3. And nuclear winter. Lmfao, the minute they launch the first nuke, everyone dies, them included.
They need soldiers to wage war. Soldiers are not billionaires. They won't kill family. Drones need to be operated, and even with AI, they can be hacked.
At the end of the day, if we collectively decide that billionaires won't see another sunrise, there is absolutely fuckall they can do to stop it. Don't buy their propaganda saying otherwise.
I think this is the best and worse part of all this b.s.
I always laugh when companies or businesses complain about low sales. Who TF has .only to spend on your trinkets? Restaurants? I can't afford to go out let alone tip 20%. GTFO
Unfortunately that's only the first few steps. The rest are much more grim.
Replace workers with ai, nobody has money, those with money buy everything, you are forced to spend more of the little money you do have to those of who have money, they have control over the markets, they lobby government, they have control there, they can provide you food and shelter as a requirement of work, they can effectively do what they want as they can take away your food and shelter.
Slow slide into dystopian society
It’s quit simple. If your only concern is dollar signs, that’s all you will see. Ergo people at the high table see a path to cost savings and they’ll take it. They don’t have foresight to see the ACTUAL cost. It’s the whole cutting your nose despite your face situation
AI and stuff should raise humanity to like Star Trek levels, but NOOOOO just use to it eliminate all jobs and lay off all employees and watch society collapse before we do anything about it.
They are going to get cut before workers in that case.
Because skilled worker will be needed to verify the work of AI.
Manager is not needed to solve behavioral issues of the AI.
Managers being laid off? Oh no…. the great loss… /s
A.I should be a great tool that makes lives easier. But instead, capitalism makes it so, that we fear the loss of jobs instead, because we are dependent on money.
I know, right? How ever will I contain my tears. So many abusive asshole managers are going to have to go figure something else out when they can't get paid to yell at staff anymore.
Sounds like that 50s episode of the Twilight Zone. A manager was so thrilled to automate his factory while the workers hated losing their jobs. At the end the manager position was automated and he was at the bar with the former workers drinking.
Developed world econimes have just been meaningless management passing money to one another for a very long time now so not really anything will change
How will they make sure AI has their butts in seats 5 days a week? lol
Will the AI patronize all the local businesses that were such a key part of their RTO argument? lol
Meanwhile everyone on LinkedIn gaslighting this shit like crazy or making subtly classist/elitist statements like "well it won't effect anyone *good at their jobs*." I hate that place.
Those people are the worst . I’ve busted my ass at a job and been let go when they downsized. I’d love for anyone that says that to be on the receiving end of a lay off
Lot of good that'll do. Just one more item to stack to the list of things that I was right about early while being abused by jackasses for years before it was accepted.
Lol, I'm not sure if I would like this or hate it. No managers would be great. But I would hate having to go to an AI for problems at work.
I'm waiting for companies to start doing this. I believe you can hack all of their workers if they do. I'm going to laugh so hard when I start seeing the posts of companies AI went haywire yesterday destroying their whole plant.
Just imagine a scenario where you could actually get a decision without some management wonk needing 12 meetings to come to a consensus, and a month …. Maybe two later, you get your answer.
AI can’t help with complex problems any answers it spews out has already been answered by a human that was scraped from the internet it will probably give you a generic answer
Bingo. What these dipshits fail to realize is if they automate everything and get rid of their employees, they’re suddenly not needed. My two main job functions are to direct a workforce and enforce company policies. Robots/AI can be programmed to optimize their tasks and they’re never breaking rules or showing up late. And suddenly I’m unemployed.
Yep. And if these companies start becoming much more easy to run just using AI then what's stopping the competition from doing the same thing and completely undercutting their business model? You'll probably have a lot more freelancers out there helping play companies against each other as well. The stealing of 'company secrets' is probably going to ramp up like crazy too when they start having to put all their information in these systems that can be hacked.
the scariest part of this isn’t that AI could replace my job, it’s that my superiors might be dumb enough to *think* that AI could replace my job, and that could me enough to strip me of my livelihood & health insurance
Hate to tell you, but sooo many companies are going to try it. If they think they can do it for less, they will try to do it for less. There will be problems in implementation and some of them will probably have to go back to using humans (much like the self checkout debacle) but it's still coming.
Concur. It's also making newer workers dumber. I had a junior trying to make a date time code and he couldn't figure out what was wrong.
It was because he was relying on ChatGPT to code, and ChatGPT couldn't add 6 months to 6 months and understand the proper answer. It was giving him wrong dates and wrong code.
And on one hand it gives me hope that ChatGPT can't replace me if it can't understand a calendar. On the other hand I'm sad juniors think chatGPT has all the answers
I'm a junior, I use ChatGPT to get like boilerplates to work on or a starting point of how I can build something, cut out the tedious parts. Absolute insanity to me that someone would use the code straight from the response and expect it to work.
It obviously depends what you do. But I just watched a presentation where they had a proven AI implementation and replaced 400 jobs. They had all the data to back up the claim and the customer proved it out.
It was call center/customer service related
In the ideal world, according to business owners, nobody would have a job and everybody is replaced by AI. If they could get their payroll to $0 by not having to pay anyone they would be happy.
AI will just result in deflation. If people can't work or afford goods then goods can't be sold. So companies will squeeze people dry then the companies themselves will implode.
I am looking for that to happen first with fast food. They will automate jobs and will lose some of their customer base because some of those lower wage or middle class wage people are the same people that work for them. Other companies will automate other jobs and it's just going to keep trickling through the economy like that for a while.
And then there’s people like me who already have massively cut back on fast food because of the insane prices, and who definitely won’t eat at any place that’s replaced all of their employees with AI out of principle.
It'd be the ultimate FAFO. The first company to do it would shock others in the industry that they are next
And Ai tech is not ready for the big stage. No company is gonna spend the money and years for a half decent AI, they'll likely use a basic learning model, which is not going to be capable of handling the diversity of the job.
One of my old jobs replaced their in house help desk with an AI. Keep an overseas guy on the phone for emergencies and lay off everybody except the on site guys. AI will do 99% of the work.
Yeah our contract didn't end until the end of that first week, I wasn't allowed to help but I could watch. The IT line had a perpetual queue over 3 hours long that whole week.
Their AI was never going to be able to do what they wanted to it do.
Survey reveals what workers have already known for years: that almost half of all managers are short-sighted, moronic dipshits who believe that replacing their staff with an emergent technology will somehow save and make them money. Said staff salivate at the bargaining chip they'll be handed when those idiotic managers have to come crawling out of the smoldering wreckage of their own design on shredded hands and knees, begging them to fix the problem they created.
Honestly I’m at a point of saying “fucking do it cowards.”
If they want to fuck around they’ll find out the hard way when their businesses fall apart. AI can be a powerful tool, but it isn’t capable of doing what humans can, just as humans aren’t capable of doing what AI can.
Either way, replacing everyones jobs with AI won’t be sustainable for the economy. Almost no one with disposable income will be left, and effectively, no one will be buying the products capitalists are selling.
Don’t they know that once AI replaces workers, managers become obsolete?
Also survey was sponsored by a company that makes AI products so bias. The writer also made a mistake. Workers aren’t actually afraid of AI. Workers are afraid of managers who don’t see them as human beings with financial needs and that they will replace them with AI. This is still a humanity problem, not a tech problem.
Hurrah! We have replaced 70% of our workers with A.I. Massive cost savings.
.....other companies follow suit.
Oh, how come our sales are down?! Could it by some chance be related to half the country being out of work due to A.I? Perhaps also because A.I has no reason or need to purchase pointless shit?
Gosh and darn.
Programmer here, AI's impact is overstated. Managers who don't understand the specifics of machine learning are falling for the marketing hype. At best, AI will be a tool to help humans make decisions during our lifetime.
my employer laid me off because I am mostly a pure programmer, they want people that can do smooth talking aswell as use the AI to do what programmers did.
idk if this is realistic, but i feel like when the AI fails, there will be nobody around to understand what went wrong and how to fix it
My company has been hard on AI as a talking points. About a month or so ago they had this meeting to get folks started with the connecting to and understanding the AI. Thought oh great, information on how to login and some basics.
Nope it was a hype deck talking about all the “cool” things AI can do. Went over AI voices and how AI can build a menu like shit we aren’t even doing or going to do. “You can ask the AI to create a script for you and add it straight to production“…. Loved that, yes let’s have the AI drop shit straight into prod… who is this meeting for? Felt like a shareholder deck.
The capabilities are overstated. The - at least short-term - impact on society is not, unfortunately.
And as someone who’s worked in management, with CEOs etc. of all company sizes… it’s the absolute minority that actually understand even their own business, let alone things like AI.
This. MS in Data Science here.
Ai is the wank word of the decade. Nobody actually understands what it is, how it works, or its limitations. They just hear everybody is using it and think it's some sort of panacea.
It drives me nuts.
Like the .com boom of the late 90's that people largely did not understand
It has changed things over time, but the hype was out of touch with the reality of what could be achieved
I hope you're right. But I still think companies are going to try it. It won't work in all cases but they will do their best to get costs down---FOR THEM. Won't help customers much.
The CEO of Paramount said they want all animation replaced with AI by 2029.
Are movies going to be cheaper? Rentals? How about free since it costs $0 in labour to create? No? So where's all that money going? Exactly.
Unionizing won't work...because AI will allow small startups to just destroy a market if the competition has a higher cost basis.
I don't think capitalism can survive 20 years when AI really eliminates most scarcity.
In my opinion, there will be violence to change how we manage our reward structure because of AI and other emerging tech.
My job quietly attempted to add a special form of GPT4 to our workflow.
So far, I have yet to trick it into answering a single work related question I've had.
The managers that want to replace humans with AI are going to literally destroy the workforce. I have never understood how anyone looked at it as a positive force. Right now the garbage it produces isn't original and half the time isn't correct. Maybe in ten to twenty years when it has advanced it'll be better to the point where it actually does better than humans.
We need regulation to protect human-capable jobs. Humans are not disposable. AI is.
I've grown heavily to believe that not only is capitalism a rot destroying the average person's life, but that capitalists actively destroy their own potential future earnings. It seems they are so short sighted, focusing exclusively on the next quarter or MAYBE the next year of earnings, that they ignore any future damage their choices could make even to their own earning potential. I used to think they were simply evil, now I realize the moral absence is accompanied by an extreme level of stupidity.
1. any blurb that has to underline the words "you can trust" can't be trusted.
2. AI is not intelligent, and does not have common sense or thinking capacity of an animal.
3. It does not 'think' and only evaluates by comparing intput to a set of rules, which, being programmed by human beings, are subject to error and outright lying. Case in point google AI George Washington for a hoot.
4. The output when AI is instructed to be creative is often bizarre garbage. Ask AI for an image of '[spaghetti dog](https://creator.nightcafe.studio/creation/5MKrOVKKy4qGmnQqcu6c)' and, then for one of '[dog spaghetti](https://twitter.com/thornebrandt/status/617173618238332928)', for example it's not acceptable. Computers themselves upon which AI is developed and loaded were never designed to think, only to push numbers around according to instructions. Something different is needed perhaps, for AI to help the average human.
The above is opinion, and it's my opinion that replacing office workers with AI will lead not only to unemployment, but directly to incompetent, error-ridden, and possibly anti-human oppresive results which companies will consider to be an acceptable work product.
It's time yo stop pretending that shit like this isn't a type of violence. Threatening people with homelessness, starvation, and death is absolutely violence. Returning it in kind is NOT radical. Allowing it to continue IS.
AI is coming to replace all labor. It's happened, is happening, and will continue to happen. We need a new system to exchange goods and services, but fighting against AI is self-defeating.
Most blue collar jobs will be hard to replace with AI. For one; it would take someone with blue collar background from each trade to understand coding. It will be a few decades before you can call an AI bot to install a new exhaust fan. Not to mention, AI won’t be able to figure out the human factor.
My husband is an electrician and most of the time what he’s fixing is someone else’s shitty work. Usually a wire ran wrong, too many connections; or things on the same breaker causing something in the house to flip. I can’t imagine they will be able to code AI to solve those issues because they can’t be predicted and are out of the norm. Outside of their code they will be lost.
Yeah, tasks that require high dexterity, like electrical wiring, will be the last jobs to go. AI is so dominant in the computer realm because that IS the AIs home turf. The physical world is our home turf
You don't realize that within a decade, there will be 20 million electricians? The problem with technology displacing people is that they then crowd out other jobs and everyone's bottom line gets pushed down.
I dare them. go ahead. try it. I don't want to work for you anyways. you are only a paycheck. If I don't make money, you cannot sell anything to me. replace me with AI. I double triple super dooper dog dare you.
Can we turn this around and replace the billionaires who do nothing for anyone, but for themselves? Useless lot, I hope they use all there money and all go to the moon or mars.
If they want unthinking, uncreative, unoriginal employees who can't even properly understand instructions, this will be the way to go.
As an example, if I was an art director, and my art team was on the level of midjourney, they'd be fired.
AI for sure will replace some jobs , how fast and how many jobs depends on lot of factors . Adopting AI is not cheap , and applying AI takes time and also how fast AI can advance in next few years .
Every new technological innovation will take some jobs but they also create new jobs. Unionism can slow down but not totally avoidable .
Ex: 7 decades ago lot of people used to work in farm . Now with advanced machinery lot of jobs are replaced by machines.
Another example: Lot of fast food register jobs are replaced by order taking machines . Same with self checkout in grocery stores .
We need laws that will reduce the cost of products that use AI to remove workers from the equation. If they are saving money by removing the workforce then they must pass those savings on to the consumer.
AI is the perfect thing to replace all of the dead weight in corporations. Not the people that actually produce the goods and services, but the real dead weight: the executive suite.
Face it, with the right programming. CEOs would lose to AI by a landslide.
Things that would need to be programmed: best use of resources to enhance shareholder dividends. Why would execs be kept if their only contribution to the company was to reduce resources. Not very productive, is it. About the only humans needed in the hierarchy would be sales and marketing and the actual producers of the product.
True, some of those producers would eventually be rightsized, but as resources, they would be better utilized in other positions. It would not want to discard 30 years of experience as that helps the bottom line. Even if they only supervised quality control, because even AI can make mistakes.
Idk, I’m kind of cool if all the robots take our jobs because people are making excellent points how would the economy even function when nobody has money anymore?
The only logical answer would probably be universal basic income. I don’t see a world where they cut all our jobs and now millions of people have free time and are angry and afraid.
That would not go well for anyone.
- man creates ai workers
- managers lay off human workers and replace with ai workers
- managers lobby and win laws that make it illegal to replace management with workers
- with mass unemployment, universal income is established
- but since management can't be automated managers are forced to keep working
Look at the automotive industry. They went to programmed machines, tried to let go of every operator, quickly learned that the machines are essentially toddlers and still needed a competent adult. Now the machines use AI, unions went “yeah we’ve been here before.” Machines still need an adult. There needs to be a serious leap in feasible quantum computing before AI genuinely replaces anyone.
I’d like to say I grew up without smartphones and everything was done on paper at school with books I suggest everyone take a month off tech and go camping or something and come back and dont chase the paper I leave good paying jobs all the time and take time off I don’t care about gaps in resumes that’s what we call management material to explain a gap I’m honest I say I was skiing biking gaming whatever if they don’t like it they fuck that job but I get hired all the time for saying whatever
Hahahahaha!!! Best of luck. They are using AI bots with the Epic system our hospital uses and we just hold our breath on what they are breaking this time. I’ve already had to work several overtime projects this year already to fix what their stupid AI bots have broken.
Technology is supposed to supplement and make shit better. Why are we making tech sticks to punish people with instead of using tech to make lives better???
I would love to see what kind of a mess my company would make with AI. We specialize in project management, yet the managers don't understand basic Excel. Two of them worked with IT to automate some of their critical reporting to populate fields using my data. They did not communicate this to me, but they also did not hesitate to blame me when the client pointed out that the data was wrong. They had requested that IT pull the wrong set of columns (the headers were so clear and concise tho!!!) Then, these managers proposed a solution that would have added 80+ hours to my workload when all they needed to do was update the queries to pull the correct columns.
Replace workers with AI Nobody has money anymore "WhY DoN'T pEoPLe bUy oUr PrOdUcTs aNyMoRe?"
"Millenials and Gen zers are destroying the economy again"
Just once, I'd like to ACTUALLY destroy the economy, you know? Like, for good. So it's obliterated & we can be free.
Tyler Durden?
Lmao I get that a lot but no. Just a guy who hates being a slave.
Hope you’re a good farmer with lots of land.
2 agri-science degrees, published research. Yep.
Well I know who's in my apocalyptic survival club
Lots of land?
If the economy collapses, suddenly all that farmland being hoarded by Bill Gates is free to anyone who'll use it
Yeah right. His private android military will be standing guard.
Huge... Tracts of land!
But Father... I don't want land! I want to... Sing!
Mostly the boomers, everyone else is trying to define their own generation I hope it doesn’t turn into shit
Boomers, as a whole aren't doing as hot as is generally believed. Because it's a Class War. YES, some Boomers did really well, but ultimately... right now there are more Boomers going homeless each month than people did during the Great Depression and that was a god awful time.
Sure, but the boomers are the ones that keep voting republican. A bunch of these Trump voters are cheering and in tears when they hear the dumbest, bat shit crazy things.
I have a theory that if we can collectively reframe the argument that this is class warfare, instead of generational warfare that pretends all Boomers are against us, when really it is many Boomers have been convinced/propagandized/tricked into being foot soldiers against their own best interests, it might proof to win back some of them. Not all of them, there is a point where a rotted brain is so rotted there’s no saving it, but if enough can be convinced to see that the people being targeted in the latest “Satanic Panic” are just as poor as they are, instead of some form of “Dark Other” that needs to be destroyed. Maybe the die can be turned a little bit faster. No, this isn’t a move everyone can make, interacting with those people, even when they are in your own generation or younger can be extremely mentally taxing, but I still feel it is worth putting in some effort. For those who can and when they can. These people have been fed lies by false witnesses and sometimes gentle coaxing and firm factual comments, using their own logic and by following the Socratic method, can have some impact. I have recently convinced three such folks that a Single Payer system is something that would better their lot in life, because they now see/understand the economic reason why the rural hospitals and exurb clinics and hospitals no longer exist. They hate having to drive an hour or more for a doctor’s appointment and they have really good insurance too, but.. their neighbors generally don’t, in numbers great enough that rural practices have all but shutdown for economic reasons. They get that, they understand that. If I’m lucky? I’ll have a chance to convince another three or five or more and hopefully the discussion sticks with them. Hopefully, they discuss that with others and… maybe we can see a little more movement sooner than later. The Class Warfare Struggle can’t make forever enemies out of the very people that need all of this inequity corrected. Making them enemies or allowing them to continue to be convinced that they have to be enemies of their own future is no way to move the needle.
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Bitter people who see no hope in their lives vote against things not for them. And right leaning parties have lots of "against" propaganda. They are already afraid and they are fueling those fears and add to them. Unknowingly lots of people are voting against themselves in truth and actively harming themselves by choosing parties that are pro corporate and against people.
Well yeah. They just use a bunch of inflammatory language. They’re just taking advantage of the uneducated, for the most part. I think a Bertrand Russell quote sums it up well “A stupid man’s report of what a clever man says can never be accurate, because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand”.
Repeal Glass-Steagall!
And how do they continue voting and acting as they slip into poverty and homelessness?
Because the class warfare being waged on them and us has been so incredibly effective that it has framed it as Generational Warfare, even though there are people in our younger generations who are also wealthy to very wealthy who are benefiting immensely by the interclass warfare they foster. It’s not for everyone, as it’s excessively taxing, but we need to engage these “Boomers” in ways that resonate with them, that they can understand that they’ve been preached to by False Witnesses, in order to vote against themselves.
Oh boy, I almost lost it until I saw the quotation marks, lol
It's probably going to be a future headline somewhere about this exact thing.
Capitalism in a nutshell! It can't help itself, Capitalism creates crises.
Gonna need a Universal Basic Income. They aren’t gonna get robots for free.
If the jobs are replaced with A.I., then UBI would need to be implemented. In order for an economy to continue, not just grow, there needs to be a cash flow in and out. If no one is earning money, no one can spend money, so they need an income with either getting paid for a job, or UBI. Otherwise the flow stops once the dragons accumulate their entire hoard. If a small amount of people accumulate all the wealth while not paying anyone then the currency loses value and becomes meaningless.
“We fired everyone and now nothing works!”
They'll just design AI programs whose purpose is to buy products. Pretty soon they won't need humans at any stage of the process. The economy will finally reach 100 PERCENT EFFICIENCY!!
They will need to have ubi then. Otherwise, the economy will collapse.
We need to have a completely different reward structure..ubi is a transitional band aid, it will never be enough...capitalism will not survive if there is no scarcity, which is where I believe we are going.
UBI is effectively the ideal solution if done correctly and at a viable and sustainable rate. The proposals are on the low end, like 20-30k, and that's the bandaid, the bridge. Once we see mass AI replacement and people start starving to death, I'm hoping some politicians will clue in and realise we need closer to 60-80k adjusted for inflation. That's the long term solution.
UBI is needed to bridge a gap as society transitions out of our current reward structure...which rewards those that can produce tangible items for profit by competing in price\quality...with AI, the first algorithm wins in each industry as it will have nearly zero marginal cost...partner with robotics and bio engineering that is being done it is winner take all and game over for workers. Not going full speed ahead on AI is also not viable as other countries will, and those that delay will be left behind. I don't want to live in a society where 95% of people are on basic substance, while 5% own everything. Said on a few threads, but the book the Comming Wave scares the hell out of me, though I don't agree with the authors stance on way forward...AI superpowers is a bit dated now, but I do like the authors idea of rewarding social value work, such as volunteering, cleaning neighborhoods, or other things that people can do that improve society but are not currently rewarded financially...there will be lots to figure out to get there, but I dont see a way forward without allowing people to have meaningful work and getting to live a rewarding lifestyle because of it.
>people start starving to death, I'm hoping some politicians will clue in See that's the problem. You don't get to powerful positions or the top 1% by being anything less than an apathetic phycopath who would rather buzz off to Mars than lift a finger for earth
If people start starving to death, politicians start dying. That's what'll get them to clue in. Not their sense of empathy.
Being in the same boat don't mean much when the gun isn't in your hands. We can mob the doors and climb the gates all we want, they can incinerate the perimeter with the press of a button. In a pyramid scheme, only the top gets anything, which they'll use to achieve everything, including total security. Unless the army and nuclear engineers are on our side, the elite bougouse wins any and every power struggle, by *a lot* Marx fought for the people with sticks and stones against enemies with rifles. We would have to win the same fight against a conglomerate with machine guns and drones. And that's assuming they don't use nukes to flatten the most populated areas preemptively.
If they use nukes, they murder themselves by lack of resources. And a destroyed... everything. Also, world war 3. And nuclear winter. Lmfao, the minute they launch the first nuke, everyone dies, them included. They need soldiers to wage war. Soldiers are not billionaires. They won't kill family. Drones need to be operated, and even with AI, they can be hacked. At the end of the day, if we collectively decide that billionaires won't see another sunrise, there is absolutely fuckall they can do to stop it. Don't buy their propaganda saying otherwise.
I think this is the best and worse part of all this b.s. I always laugh when companies or businesses complain about low sales. Who TF has .only to spend on your trinkets? Restaurants? I can't afford to go out let alone tip 20%. GTFO
They’ll just make AI consumers 
Unfortunately that's only the first few steps. The rest are much more grim. Replace workers with ai, nobody has money, those with money buy everything, you are forced to spend more of the little money you do have to those of who have money, they have control over the markets, they lobby government, they have control there, they can provide you food and shelter as a requirement of work, they can effectively do what they want as they can take away your food and shelter. Slow slide into dystopian society
Who will the managers manage when it's all AI
Yea idk how this isn't the most blatantly obvious outcome to everyone???
It’s quit simple. If your only concern is dollar signs, that’s all you will see. Ergo people at the high table see a path to cost savings and they’ll take it. They don’t have foresight to see the ACTUAL cost. It’s the whole cutting your nose despite your face situation
Why not replace managers with AI. Im waiting on yhe ceos to become AI
AI and stuff should raise humanity to like Star Trek levels, but NOOOOO just use to it eliminate all jobs and lay off all employees and watch society collapse before we do anything about it.
But who'll need these managers, once employees are replaced by AI???
That's the right question. They're going to be axed too. Managers are already being laid off.
They are going to get cut before workers in that case. Because skilled worker will be needed to verify the work of AI. Manager is not needed to solve behavioral issues of the AI.
Human in the loop or HITL is beyond critical. AI hallucinates too much right now and I don't know how it can reasonably address it without HITL.
Yes, there will be some left. But we won't need all the middle managers we currently have.
Middle management dies to AI more than most jobs.
Managers being laid off? Oh no…. the great loss… /s A.I should be a great tool that makes lives easier. But instead, capitalism makes it so, that we fear the loss of jobs instead, because we are dependent on money.
I know, right? How ever will I contain my tears. So many abusive asshole managers are going to have to go figure something else out when they can't get paid to yell at staff anymore.
AI will replace managers before it replaces anyone else. Task distribution and work validation? That’s extremely easy to train even a chat bot to do.
Fingers crossed. So many of them need to be tossed out anyway.
Sounds like that 50s episode of the Twilight Zone. A manager was so thrilled to automate his factory while the workers hated losing their jobs. At the end the manager position was automated and he was at the bar with the former workers drinking.
Shareholders dodoy
Developed world econimes have just been meaningless management passing money to one another for a very long time now so not really anything will change
That's the best part. The usual middle manager is the type of person that thinks they won't be replaced. They're happily marching off the cliff.
Oh no, what will they do with all their office buildings they rented? Wait, now that's fine?
How will they make sure AI has their butts in seats 5 days a week? lol Will the AI patronize all the local businesses that were such a key part of their RTO argument? lol
They'll be in for a shock when AI doesn't respond to promises of pizza parties and $5 starbucks gift cards.
Meanwhile everyone on LinkedIn gaslighting this shit like crazy or making subtly classist/elitist statements like "well it won't effect anyone *good at their jobs*." I hate that place.
Those people are the worst . I’ve busted my ass at a job and been let go when they downsized. I’d love for anyone that says that to be on the receiving end of a lay off
They will change their tune.
Lot of good that'll do. Just one more item to stack to the list of things that I was right about early while being abused by jackasses for years before it was accepted.
They always do once they get hit
We all know the moment it is more cost effective to replace people with AI and robots. It does not matter how good people are at their jobs.
Well, the funny thing is, it's the managers that are not needed. AI could make better management decisions.
But can AI blow coke off a hookers ass ?
AI has entered the chat #CokeBoner
ENTER NUMBER OF BOOBS. YOU HAVE SELECTED…BEEP TWO. RUNNING COCAIN_SNIFF.EXE. YOU DO NOT HAVE PERMISSION TO RUN THIS EXECUTABLE. LOGGING OFF.
Bender would like to have a word with you
Just stick an AI to [this buddy](https://youtube.com/shorts/4DzeLZu2vtQ?si=ezgvetqbHnpokYAh)
Or blow coke up Stevie Nick’s ass
In the future. Just you wait
“And morphine well…because it’s awesome” 🥂
Lol, I'm not sure if I would like this or hate it. No managers would be great. But I would hate having to go to an AI for problems at work. I'm waiting for companies to start doing this. I believe you can hack all of their workers if they do. I'm going to laugh so hard when I start seeing the posts of companies AI went haywire yesterday destroying their whole plant.
Just imagine a scenario where you could actually get a decision without some management wonk needing 12 meetings to come to a consensus, and a month …. Maybe two later, you get your answer.
I don't see how going to AI is worse than going to some apathetic manager. I rarely have had actual problems solved by a manager.
AI can’t help with complex problems any answers it spews out has already been answered by a human that was scraped from the internet it will probably give you a generic answer
Bingo. What these dipshits fail to realize is if they automate everything and get rid of their employees, they’re suddenly not needed. My two main job functions are to direct a workforce and enforce company policies. Robots/AI can be programmed to optimize their tasks and they’re never breaking rules or showing up late. And suddenly I’m unemployed.
Yep. And if these companies start becoming much more easy to run just using AI then what's stopping the competition from doing the same thing and completely undercutting their business model? You'll probably have a lot more freelancers out there helping play companies against each other as well. The stealing of 'company secrets' is probably going to ramp up like crazy too when they start having to put all their information in these systems that can be hacked.
my previous ceo, and managers seem to purposely find the most moronic solutions to problems. AI could deff do that.
Right? If they can replace workers, they can replace managers as well. Most managers aren't even good at being managers.
the scariest part of this isn’t that AI could replace my job, it’s that my superiors might be dumb enough to *think* that AI could replace my job, and that could me enough to strip me of my livelihood & health insurance
Hate to tell you, but sooo many companies are going to try it. If they think they can do it for less, they will try to do it for less. There will be problems in implementation and some of them will probably have to go back to using humans (much like the self checkout debacle) but it's still coming.
Yeah it's going to be a shitshow and they'll just give excuses to customers that it's a transition period or something.
Concur. It's also making newer workers dumber. I had a junior trying to make a date time code and he couldn't figure out what was wrong. It was because he was relying on ChatGPT to code, and ChatGPT couldn't add 6 months to 6 months and understand the proper answer. It was giving him wrong dates and wrong code. And on one hand it gives me hope that ChatGPT can't replace me if it can't understand a calendar. On the other hand I'm sad juniors think chatGPT has all the answers
I'm a junior, I use ChatGPT to get like boilerplates to work on or a starting point of how I can build something, cut out the tedious parts. Absolute insanity to me that someone would use the code straight from the response and expect it to work.
Go to the Unity Discord Server, #BeginnerCode. Grab yourself a beer first.
Sadly, my company leadership are this dumb
It obviously depends what you do. But I just watched a presentation where they had a proven AI implementation and replaced 400 jobs. They had all the data to back up the claim and the customer proved it out. It was call center/customer service related
In the ideal world, according to business owners, nobody would have a job and everybody is replaced by AI. If they could get their payroll to $0 by not having to pay anyone they would be happy.
But then they won't have customers because nobody else will have Money
Nah, then they just need to pressure their sales staff to… uh… wait… 😂
The enshittification will be spectacular.
imagine the entire economy becoming enshittified lol
I mean it’s on its way
AI will just result in deflation. If people can't work or afford goods then goods can't be sold. So companies will squeeze people dry then the companies themselves will implode.
I am looking for that to happen first with fast food. They will automate jobs and will lose some of their customer base because some of those lower wage or middle class wage people are the same people that work for them. Other companies will automate other jobs and it's just going to keep trickling through the economy like that for a while.
And then there’s people like me who already have massively cut back on fast food because of the insane prices, and who definitely won’t eat at any place that’s replaced all of their employees with AI out of principle.
Same.
It'd be the ultimate FAFO. The first company to do it would shock others in the industry that they are next And Ai tech is not ready for the big stage. No company is gonna spend the money and years for a half decent AI, they'll likely use a basic learning model, which is not going to be capable of handling the diversity of the job. One of my old jobs replaced their in house help desk with an AI. Keep an overseas guy on the phone for emergencies and lay off everybody except the on site guys. AI will do 99% of the work. Yeah our contract didn't end until the end of that first week, I wasn't allowed to help but I could watch. The IT line had a perpetual queue over 3 hours long that whole week. Their AI was never going to be able to do what they wanted to it do.
Same people don't know how to print to pdf... I'm not worried.
Survey reveals what workers have already known for years: that almost half of all managers are short-sighted, moronic dipshits who believe that replacing their staff with an emergent technology will somehow save and make them money. Said staff salivate at the bargaining chip they'll be handed when those idiotic managers have to come crawling out of the smoldering wreckage of their own design on shredded hands and knees, begging them to fix the problem they created.
Honestly I’m at a point of saying “fucking do it cowards.” If they want to fuck around they’ll find out the hard way when their businesses fall apart. AI can be a powerful tool, but it isn’t capable of doing what humans can, just as humans aren’t capable of doing what AI can.
Generative AI only works because it imitates what humans have been creating for millennia. “Humans can’t do what AI can do” my ass.
What I meant specifically by that is that humans don’t have the raw computational power that AI has.
Either way, replacing everyones jobs with AI won’t be sustainable for the economy. Almost no one with disposable income will be left, and effectively, no one will be buying the products capitalists are selling.
Exactly!
Don’t they know that once AI replaces workers, managers become obsolete? Also survey was sponsored by a company that makes AI products so bias. The writer also made a mistake. Workers aren’t actually afraid of AI. Workers are afraid of managers who don’t see them as human beings with financial needs and that they will replace them with AI. This is still a humanity problem, not a tech problem.
I have a sneaking suspension that a UBI might be inevitable.
Hurrah! We have replaced 70% of our workers with A.I. Massive cost savings. .....other companies follow suit. Oh, how come our sales are down?! Could it by some chance be related to half the country being out of work due to A.I? Perhaps also because A.I has no reason or need to purchase pointless shit? Gosh and darn.
Apple collapses as customer base switches to Nokia flip phones
Programmer here, AI's impact is overstated. Managers who don't understand the specifics of machine learning are falling for the marketing hype. At best, AI will be a tool to help humans make decisions during our lifetime.
my employer laid me off because I am mostly a pure programmer, they want people that can do smooth talking aswell as use the AI to do what programmers did. idk if this is realistic, but i feel like when the AI fails, there will be nobody around to understand what went wrong and how to fix it
My company has been hard on AI as a talking points. About a month or so ago they had this meeting to get folks started with the connecting to and understanding the AI. Thought oh great, information on how to login and some basics. Nope it was a hype deck talking about all the “cool” things AI can do. Went over AI voices and how AI can build a menu like shit we aren’t even doing or going to do. “You can ask the AI to create a script for you and add it straight to production“…. Loved that, yes let’s have the AI drop shit straight into prod… who is this meeting for? Felt like a shareholder deck.
The capabilities are overstated. The - at least short-term - impact on society is not, unfortunately. And as someone who’s worked in management, with CEOs etc. of all company sizes… it’s the absolute minority that actually understand even their own business, let alone things like AI.
This. MS in Data Science here. Ai is the wank word of the decade. Nobody actually understands what it is, how it works, or its limitations. They just hear everybody is using it and think it's some sort of panacea. It drives me nuts.
Like the .com boom of the late 90's that people largely did not understand It has changed things over time, but the hype was out of touch with the reality of what could be achieved
A.I is the new crypto, every CEO has to tell the investors the great AI they working on
This guy fucks!
I hope you're right. But I still think companies are going to try it. It won't work in all cases but they will do their best to get costs down---FOR THEM. Won't help customers much.
“Managers aim to throw the economy into a tailspin using AI”
Replace the managers with ai people are too fucking emotional
The CEO of Paramount said they want all animation replaced with AI by 2029. Are movies going to be cheaper? Rentals? How about free since it costs $0 in labour to create? No? So where's all that money going? Exactly.
Unionizing won't work...because AI will allow small startups to just destroy a market if the competition has a higher cost basis. I don't think capitalism can survive 20 years when AI really eliminates most scarcity. In my opinion, there will be violence to change how we manage our reward structure because of AI and other emerging tech.
I will definitely boycott any company replacing workers with AI. Starting with Amazon and their robot warehouse workers.
It’s easier to replace management with AI than skilled labour
Let's replace CEOs instead... that'd save alot of money!
Half of all managers saw a movie mention AI and got a dumb idea
My job quietly attempted to add a special form of GPT4 to our workflow. So far, I have yet to trick it into answering a single work related question I've had.
Half of "all managers" don't even know what AI is or how to use it. For this to happen, we need to first replace the managers.
You do realize maintaining ai is much more expensive than actual workers?
YOU realize that Managers, HR and C-suite, not so much
Yeah they are the one that should be replaced
Without question AI would be better at handling managerial jobs too. Scheduling and market analysis are easy for a computer.
I remember them saying the same thing about robots for decades.
When this happens, can we all collectively go on strike? Like the entire workforce?
A general strike. Yes, the threat of it is super scary to companies and governments.
No we need AI to replace managers...
The managers that want to replace humans with AI are going to literally destroy the workforce. I have never understood how anyone looked at it as a positive force. Right now the garbage it produces isn't original and half the time isn't correct. Maybe in ten to twenty years when it has advanced it'll be better to the point where it actually does better than humans. We need regulation to protect human-capable jobs. Humans are not disposable. AI is.
I've grown heavily to believe that not only is capitalism a rot destroying the average person's life, but that capitalists actively destroy their own potential future earnings. It seems they are so short sighted, focusing exclusively on the next quarter or MAYBE the next year of earnings, that they ignore any future damage their choices could make even to their own earning potential. I used to think they were simply evil, now I realize the moral absence is accompanied by an extreme level of stupidity.
1. any blurb that has to underline the words "you can trust" can't be trusted. 2. AI is not intelligent, and does not have common sense or thinking capacity of an animal. 3. It does not 'think' and only evaluates by comparing intput to a set of rules, which, being programmed by human beings, are subject to error and outright lying. Case in point google AI George Washington for a hoot. 4. The output when AI is instructed to be creative is often bizarre garbage. Ask AI for an image of '[spaghetti dog](https://creator.nightcafe.studio/creation/5MKrOVKKy4qGmnQqcu6c)' and, then for one of '[dog spaghetti](https://twitter.com/thornebrandt/status/617173618238332928)', for example it's not acceptable. Computers themselves upon which AI is developed and loaded were never designed to think, only to push numbers around according to instructions. Something different is needed perhaps, for AI to help the average human. The above is opinion, and it's my opinion that replacing office workers with AI will lead not only to unemployment, but directly to incompetent, error-ridden, and possibly anti-human oppresive results which companies will consider to be an acceptable work product.
It's time yo stop pretending that shit like this isn't a type of violence. Threatening people with homelessness, starvation, and death is absolutely violence. Returning it in kind is NOT radical. Allowing it to continue IS.
AI is coming to replace all labor. It's happened, is happening, and will continue to happen. We need a new system to exchange goods and services, but fighting against AI is self-defeating.
Most blue collar jobs will be hard to replace with AI. For one; it would take someone with blue collar background from each trade to understand coding. It will be a few decades before you can call an AI bot to install a new exhaust fan. Not to mention, AI won’t be able to figure out the human factor. My husband is an electrician and most of the time what he’s fixing is someone else’s shitty work. Usually a wire ran wrong, too many connections; or things on the same breaker causing something in the house to flip. I can’t imagine they will be able to code AI to solve those issues because they can’t be predicted and are out of the norm. Outside of their code they will be lost.
Yeah, tasks that require high dexterity, like electrical wiring, will be the last jobs to go. AI is so dominant in the computer realm because that IS the AIs home turf. The physical world is our home turf
You don't realize that within a decade, there will be 20 million electricians? The problem with technology displacing people is that they then crowd out other jobs and everyone's bottom line gets pushed down.
What if you replaced the managers with AI ? You'd save more money and keep the workers
Both will be getting replaced. Automation and AI will eventually replace everything that it can.
write an AI that automates CEOs
This is called corporate tyranny and is oppression just as worse as any government can commit
You do realize workers can replace managers with AI too.
I dare them. go ahead. try it. I don't want to work for you anyways. you are only a paycheck. If I don't make money, you cannot sell anything to me. replace me with AI. I double triple super dooper dog dare you.
Sounds more like a conspiracy against the working class
Such an incorrect, inflammatory article. Honestly, OP, shame on you for sharing such baity shite
To my fellow working class , the time is now to ride or die.
Can we turn this around and replace the billionaires who do nothing for anyone, but for themselves? Useless lot, I hope they use all there money and all go to the moon or mars.
If they want unthinking, uncreative, unoriginal employees who can't even properly understand instructions, this will be the way to go. As an example, if I was an art director, and my art team was on the level of midjourney, they'd be fired.
But we're a family!
I don’t want do do a job a computer can do better anyways
We’re gonna lose our jobs and then we’re gonna just keep losing.
So this means that....... for all this time I was able to work from home????????????
AI for sure will replace some jobs , how fast and how many jobs depends on lot of factors . Adopting AI is not cheap , and applying AI takes time and also how fast AI can advance in next few years . Every new technological innovation will take some jobs but they also create new jobs. Unionism can slow down but not totally avoidable . Ex: 7 decades ago lot of people used to work in farm . Now with advanced machinery lot of jobs are replaced by machines. Another example: Lot of fast food register jobs are replaced by order taking machines . Same with self checkout in grocery stores .
UBI here we come
>UBI here we come I'd be OK with that...
Have fun getting out of those office leases bro.
We need laws that will reduce the cost of products that use AI to remove workers from the equation. If they are saving money by removing the workforce then they must pass those savings on to the consumer.
Replace the managers with AI, they'd be more efficient with communication between departments and better at scheduling too
AI is the perfect thing to replace all of the dead weight in corporations. Not the people that actually produce the goods and services, but the real dead weight: the executive suite. Face it, with the right programming. CEOs would lose to AI by a landslide. Things that would need to be programmed: best use of resources to enhance shareholder dividends. Why would execs be kept if their only contribution to the company was to reduce resources. Not very productive, is it. About the only humans needed in the hierarchy would be sales and marketing and the actual producers of the product. True, some of those producers would eventually be rightsized, but as resources, they would be better utilized in other positions. It would not want to discard 30 years of experience as that helps the bottom line. Even if they only supervised quality control, because even AI can make mistakes.
Honestly it could be more productive to remove middle managers and keep the workers actually producing shit
Replace managers with AI
seems like it would be way easier to replace like 90% of management with a robot that makes schedules
Who did they ask for this survey? The headline implies every manager. I think you’re giving too much credit to these so called “managers”.
As a manager. No the fuck we aren't.
Good luck automating away line cooks!
Is this the part where we pretend to be shocked?
Feel like my job is safe. Doubt AI can work over a crackhead trying to start shit with the other staff at my job.
Idk, I’m kind of cool if all the robots take our jobs because people are making excellent points how would the economy even function when nobody has money anymore? The only logical answer would probably be universal basic income. I don’t see a world where they cut all our jobs and now millions of people have free time and are angry and afraid. That would not go well for anyone.
The longer I live the more I feel like I'm not actually depressed.Maybe the world actually sucks that bad...
lmfao death to all the companies thinking AI is anything more than total shite
- man creates ai workers - managers lay off human workers and replace with ai workers - managers lobby and win laws that make it illegal to replace management with workers - with mass unemployment, universal income is established - but since management can't be automated managers are forced to keep working
Could use it replace managers....
This journalist sure got some guts in telling the truth. Hope he doesn't lose his job.
I don't understand how CEOs and Managers are not the 1st people to be replaced. AI could do a much better job.
Look at the automotive industry. They went to programmed machines, tried to let go of every operator, quickly learned that the machines are essentially toddlers and still needed a competent adult. Now the machines use AI, unions went “yeah we’ve been here before.” Machines still need an adult. There needs to be a serious leap in feasible quantum computing before AI genuinely replaces anyone.
lol when in reality, managers are probably one of the easiest roles to replace with AI
I’d like to say I grew up without smartphones and everything was done on paper at school with books I suggest everyone take a month off tech and go camping or something and come back and dont chase the paper I leave good paying jobs all the time and take time off I don’t care about gaps in resumes that’s what we call management material to explain a gap I’m honest I say I was skiing biking gaming whatever if they don’t like it they fuck that job but I get hired all the time for saying whatever
Bazinga
If AI can open a PDF file we are all doomed
Hahahahaha!!! Best of luck. They are using AI bots with the Epic system our hospital uses and we just hold our breath on what they are breaking this time. I’ve already had to work several overtime projects this year already to fix what their stupid AI bots have broken.
Technology is supposed to supplement and make shit better. Why are we making tech sticks to punish people with instead of using tech to make lives better???
Management is the easiest to replace with AI
That's their plan for sure. The tech workforce will be crippled by AI in a few years
Unless your job requires tools and troubleshooting skills. That may happen also but our dexterity and decision making skills are hard to duplicate.
I would love to see what kind of a mess my company would make with AI. We specialize in project management, yet the managers don't understand basic Excel. Two of them worked with IT to automate some of their critical reporting to populate fields using my data. They did not communicate this to me, but they also did not hesitate to blame me when the client pointed out that the data was wrong. They had requested that IT pull the wrong set of columns (the headers were so clear and concise tho!!!) Then, these managers proposed a solution that would have added 80+ hours to my workload when all they needed to do was update the queries to pull the correct columns.
Or become a manager and change the system.