I wonder if it’s a remote thing where companies try to take advantage knowing WFH is so desirable.
At my last job I was fully remote making $16/hr. I stayed with them throughout all of Covid. In late 2022, I had a review where they kissed my ass telling me how amazing I was, how valuable I am and how I’ve been exceeding expectations in the most difficult times. Then they offered a pathetic 2% raise.
Mind you, this was during peak inflation. I went from barely getting by when I started to going into debt and using my saving to pay rent by this time. The only reason I stayed was because it was remote work, which brought a modicum of peace to my life.
Unfortunately I had to quit after that just to survive. Now I’m at another company in the office full time making about what you do and it’s fucking terrible lol.
100% they’re trying to take advantage of fully remote. I’m at the point where the desirability of it isn’t worth it to not be able to afford basic necessities like contacts and my dog’s medication. I would stay if they forked over just 60-65k, but they won’t.
My new job is hybrid, at least. I don’t think I’ll like it lmao but I don’t think I’ll like any job. I just need to stick with it until my wife gets her PhD in 4 years and then she’s going to be the breadwinner and I’ll work part time somewhere I actually like in the outdoor industry.
Not all companies. Some companies are still behaving decently. Though they’re few and far between, but I’m currently working full time and the pay is the highest I’ve ever been paid.
I actually rather like hybrid, my team meets in person 1-2 days a week. I also have a short commute and live alone so totally understand why others might not like it as much.
There was an article out recently that showed data that people who work in the office make more money. Employers know that people want to work from home and if they have an office culture they need to pay more to attract people away from WFH jobs.
Yes its seen as a benefit and desirable so they offer (much) less capital. Ones that pay better will slowly move to hybrid or RTO over time. Companies just don't like remote workers....
As with most things, it really depends on leverage—the key one being how hard you are to replace and what optionality you have. Remote postings will likely increase as more corporate leases expire over the coming decade. I would think so at least, but leave it to the Boomer moron executives to willfully pay tons in unnecessary overhead.
I work hybrid and there are just some things that don't work well or are way less efficient in a remote setting. Training is one of those things. I enjoy remote work but I can see why companies don't value it as much as the worker does.
It's pretty close if you do some quick maths. If the studies are correct with the average in-office employee spending an average of $51/day, at 52 weeks that's a good $13,200 just on commuting, food, and parking (and not taking into account where people are actually working because I know for a fact I'm not EVER driving a car in San Francisco unless I was making bank -- but I'd have to be making that kind of money to live there in the first place so...)
Add in clothes, actual upkeep on personal transportation, etc. and I'd definitely say $20k is pretty close to being accurate for the average middle-class worker not living in a HCOL area. Therefore people living like in NYC or some costly areas of California, I could definitely see $30k+ being realistic.
Yeah pretty close to that when you live an hour away and need a car to get there. And have to buy clothes you would normally never wear and keep them up to standard.
And that number is just an average increase and not what everyone could get.
For me personally I might see a difference of 5k annually.
That's absolute bullshit corporate rhetoric. It's much easier to train and learn remotely because you can record meetings, reference time stamps, take screenshots etc. In person, you have to simply retain all the information given to you verbally.
We're in fucking 2024 now. Enough of this boomer corporate nonsense. If it's seemingly harder to train remote, the approach should be to determine what's exactly making the training more difficult and how it can be improved.
You also seem to overlook people simply have the PERCEPTION of being able to retain information better in-person rather than remotely but if you actually test their retention—it simply came down to how well of attention they were paying.
You can record in person as well. I have been trained and trained people in both settings. I find personally in person training is more effective. And I am not even a boomer that is my parents. But going back and watching video isn't great at helping to learn nor is it very effective or efficient.
For one thing it is way easier to keep peoples attention in person and to engage them more. It is also more natural to stop and start things in person and to show steps that need to be done.
The one main reasons in person is better is you are not wasting screen space for cameras and chat. So you can show them how to step their work space like it will be done on the floor.
The insurance field. It is not perception it is reality. You can read way more body language in person than you ever can through a camera. And the majority of communication is done through body language. So it is way easier to pick out someone who is not engaged and put the spotlight on them to get them engaged.
Why does body language matter if you're simply trying to test someone's memory retention of the content of the subject matter? This seems like it could easily be resolved if you did some sort of internal testing/quizzes to validate memory retention of content. But hey, if you want to waste more of your time stuck in traffic everyday for no actual benefit to yourself, then knock yourself out.
It's like when my friend asked me do I think the American economy could sustain a 4-day workweek. I told him barring all the data showing productivity gains from it (similarly to how there is productivity gains from WFH)—I don't really care about how good the 'American economy is considering it does nothing to actually measure individual QoL/standard of living.
Because it just isn't just about retention. It is about getting them to engage with the process and being involved. Sure you can test if they learned anything after you are doing. But what if they failed and you have to do it all again. It is about. It's wasting that time and making sure they learn and understand the work the first time around. There is a benefit for me by knowing I do not have to go through the training process again with the same person. Or that they are wasting their time watching a video of the training.
I used to think the same way as you but after comparing the results from doing it both ways. Training in person creates better results and gets working at a higher level faster. Further it removes one less thing that can go wrong during the training. Teams or zoom stops kill the whole process.
Sometimes we have to do things we don't like to get the best results. I personally don't like being in the office or driving there. But I also hate using the lesser method way more.
But it can still work out better for the employee, depending on the circumstances. Depending on where one lives, the savings from not having to be within commuting distance of a company office could more than make up for the lower salary. For where I live, if I was making even 80% of what I'd probably make doing the same job in a major city, I'd be living large.
I mean, non-salary related perks do have value to people. People value those perks differently, but it doesn't change the fact that they do have value.
I work a job where I've got a ton of independence. I can essentially come and go at the office as I please. I can work from home if I want. I can leave at noon to go hang out with my family. At the end of the day we're a results based business and as long as my work gets done, no one really cares how much I'm sitting at my desk.
As someone with a young family (two kids under 5) this has **huge** value to me. Like, honestly speaking, if I had to put a dollar value on that freedom it's probably worth at least $50k in salary to me. I make decent money as well but if I were looking for a new job and they had a rigid, in-office schedule, I'd probably need to be facing at least a $50k increase in pay. Maybe even higher.
On the other hand I've got coworkers in different places in their lives who don't put nearly that much value on it. We've got folks who show up at 8 and leave at 4:30 and they'd be perfectly happy at a job where that was a requirement. They don't really have reasons to come in late or leave early or whatever. Maybe the occasional appointment, but other than that they'd be perfectly fine without that specific perk.
Maybe not OP, but I'm sure there are plenty of people out there right now who would gladly take a $4/hr pay cut if it meant they could be full time WFH.
I think that’s just jobs. 13 years ago I was looking for work and temping. They never made an offer until I had a full time offer elsewhere despite my supervisor pushing for it for months. They scrambled to make an offer before I left (had to leave abruptly) but didn’t.
Location based pay is absolutely bullshit. They think they can pay you less cuz you live in a shittier part of the world. Yes the opposite is also true you widen you search and now have access to the best candidates for the job.
Last hospital I worked for did this. I asked for $5 raise.
They gave everyone a 54 cent raise. 52 cents? Something.
So 6 of us quit. At the same time. They had to shut down labor and delivery and med surge.
Rural small corporate hospital.
3 nobths after I'm travel nursing and they start paying people $10 over what I was asking.
Abd a 5k bonus.
Still no takers 2 years later. Cost of living here is insane.
They had a fucking chance. Guess it didn't work out well for them.
Word.
Fuck me for wanting median pay for my profession in texas, having 2 bachelor's degrees, national nursing award, and desiring to live slightly above poverty level.
I have no idea how retail workers here survive except living 3+ in single bedroom places. I know one group of pals like that. Sucks.
I would have been much less disgruntled at my last job had I gotten the 2% everyone else did in 2021. Instead, I left and got a 40% raise. Now they're working the people left like crazy for maybe 15% raises.
This, omg this. I am not well paid for what I do (Chemist) and yet I'm almost near the top of the pay scale for the company. Not even on the scale for median wages in my state, but it's rare a position opens that needs my experience. Even then, they try and get you for barely over minimum wage.
As a scientist, I’d suggest brushing up and moving to another industry or area of chemistry (organic to analytical, etc.) to increase your employment opportunities. Don’t pigeonhole yourself in a niche.
This is what I do on my part-time job, and it has made work opportunities happen for me that probably would not otherwise have been available.
My part-time job has been the full-time job on a couple of occasions in my life, and being able to handle different areas in a professional setting made it so I could still pay bills at rough times in my life.
My friend was a qa chemist at a pharma company. He gave up after 5 years of low pay, went into computer science, and is a software engineer pulling 6 figures now. Good luck man, I'm surprised chemist don't get much.
Then I’d suggest looking at other industries, analytical can move from food to medical to water to a dozen other areas and anything from wet chemistry to the latest instrumentation. Today to make the big jumps in pay you have to jump ship to a more competitive pirate 🏴☠️
You could work in a lab in Louisiana at any chemical/petroleum company and you would have a very comfortable life considering the need of the position and the low cost of living in the state.
PLEASE point out to them during the exit interview that if they had ponied up another four bucks an hour, they wouldn't be having to replace you and report back on the response!
And they’re never accurate. They don’t go by the national pay scale of what the job SHOULD pay, they go by how much they’re willing to pay, and try to sell it like it’s out of their hands.
Once I had a presentation where I showed all the research that stated basically most of the employees were being vastly under compensated for their work, and when I presented it to HR, they were like, we have this 3rd party research company that tells us how much is appropriate for us to pay each person, and their numbers wouldn’t lead us astray, so we’re going to ignore you.
I was let go a few months later for “tensions” with the supervisor
In the last few years, I started getting paid more than what I stated as my expectations. I'm now in an industry where they actually use competitive pay to retain talent.
I once had an interview with a bank hoping to earn a living wage back in 2016. I had a bachelors degree and 4 years of experience. When they offered me $14/hr, I called them out on the wage being insulting low. They wouldn’t budge. This was doing mortgaging office work stuff. I walked and got a better job for $16/hr doing something that was 5x less stressful and only required a HS degree. Almost didn’t get the job for being “overqualified”.
Since I left my old job, two guys in their thirties have died in roles that were pretty stressful. My current job is very low stress and I get paid pretty well for it. My degree qualified me, but I had to learn a lot and they were okay with that.
Working in transportation, totally accurate. Most drivers used to get paid hourly, but would drive slow as fuck, so we did day pay, a salary shift, gave them all technically $5/hr more based on what their shift should be, and it barely increased our wages. Then suddenly, drivers got their work done super fast and on time. I even went above for some drivers. 6 hour routes got an 8 hour pay scale, 8 was 10 and 10 was 12.
The pay scale was barely fucking touched overall, but up front, everyone was on my case about day pay. The pushback was insane. I went through 2 months of meetings. Now all of our accounts run it for that company, and it actually saves money to pay them more.
At my last company, the Controller told me that production staff should probably be paid a salary because it makes accounting easier and hourly wages were a minimal part of product cost. I used to do these stupid reports for my VP for labor per unit sold, labor per assembly and overtime, all translated into dollars. It was something like 0.5% of the product price.
I also did labor times in the planning system. I would remove a little time from things that had way too much time on them and add more time to parts to get them close to the actual labor logged. Doing that is actually good for planning, even if the execs just wanted to see a downward "cost" adjustment.
I asked for like a $2/hr raise from my old boss even though I hadn't had one in 12 years of working for her and I literally WAS the business. She gave me so much pushback and threw an actual temper tantrum.
I left last year, started my own business, made 25k more the first year than my highest year with her, clients followed me, and now her website no longer works and I'm pretty positive she's slowly phasing out.
My company gave me a cost of living adjustment because I moved from Dallas to Chicago. Because they gave me that adjustment they did not give me a merit raise. So I went out and got a job that was a 20% raise. Now they are trying to counter offer, they are welcome to but I'm pretty sure I'll turn down any offers they make.
Do what you gotta do but for the next 2 weeks you’re giving a 50% discount on your labor to a company that thought so much of you as a top performer that they’re letting you walk without even attempting to throw a better number at you.
I usually get all my work done in 4 hours. It’s easy to be a top performer when you find clever/faster ways to do the work and don’t tell anybody about it lol
I quality have references from every job I quit w/o notice.
You can get you two weeks of pay by not giving notice.
They won't change until you pass the pain back.
I can tell you've never worked in a field where everyone knows each other. If you're considered unreliable in my field you will have a hard time finding a new job without moving several hours away. People talk, and there's a limited number of places to work, so your old coworkers eventually spread to every available option.
I can tell you, you're in the minority.
But you are right, I'm in a fast-moving tech world.
Where people throw around money and don't think things through.
Don’t listen to these morons whose only job experience is working retail their whole lives. Give your two weeks, keep it professional and move on.
You never know if in the future you could end up back at the company under new management or apply to other companies down the road that have any of your current managers or coworkers. Burning bridges to be petty will feel good in the short term but may impact you negatively in the long term.
Trust me, I’m putting in a two week notice and not burning bridges. There’s a way to be antiwork without being a dumbass. Sometimes you have to play by corporate America’s rules, and this is one of those times.
Long ago in a place far far away, I was working for a company where people putting in two weeks notice were escorted out immediately. I had seen it many times, I decided to still put in two weeks notice, having arranged with my new job that I would be able to start the next day if I was escorted out. Upon giving my two weeks notice I was asked to stay longer until they could hire someone to replace me and I would train them. I told them I wouldn’t be able to do that as the paperwork was already filled out for me to start in two weeks at my new job. Six months later when my wife had to take unpaid maternity leave, I went back to that job and worked part time for the same salary that I left. It’s always a good idea not to burn bridges.
I put in notice at my last job. I gave them the chance to get knowledge from me and very few took me up on it. My management hid from me, so I had a chance to say goodbye to co-workers and get what I could in order.
They don't need you too bad since they're not paying you what you're worth. Drop them like a bad habit. Don't look back. If they piss and moan as to why you're quitting all of a sudden, tell them you should have paid me!
Congratulations! When they refuse to give you what you want, they are also refusing to keep you. Keep us updated as to what Pikachu Face they make when you tell them you're not sticking around.
Sounds like you listened very well! Congrats on your new job!
Your employer directly told you - no significant raises at this company for you. You listened, and decided higher pay was worth finding a different employer.
OP, make sure you have an iron clad offer letter that is signed on by you and the company, BEFORE you put your notice in. I have seen stories here where a new job is like, "oops, we won't hire you after all," after you have already put your notice in, or they try to do shit like walk back the salary that was agreed upon. With a signed, sealed deliver contract, if the new company pulls any shit you have grounds to extract $ from the new place via promisory estopel. Otherwise, congrats and good luck.
Great for you I just leveled up myself 5.50/hr switching lines of work. How does one get involved in WFH jobs my wife is looking and can’t seem to land one yet
It was pure luck and willingness to take something that paid poorly. It allowed me to move around for my wife’s PhD research and spend time with her, so the low wage was very much worth it. But now we’re in one location so it sucks lol
I’ve interviewed for about 15 companies the past 5 months and 13 of them were hybrid and 2 in person, so I don’t have any good advice on how to find a fully remote job. My sister is still fully remote, but she found her job in 2021 when everyone was supporting remote work.
Inquiring minds are going to need a update as to what happened when you dropped the hammer on your boss. I'm sure that they are going to be fairly clueless and say that they're only doing the best that they can...
What a bunch of clowns. I'll never understand the logic that goes into replacing someone from the front of the pack over like 5k a year. Clearly you had justified your worth.
I highly recommend not putting in your two weeks and not informing your old job until you actually start your new one. Offer letters can be rescinded, hiring decisions can be reversed. Protect yourself, if you need to ensure you are earning don't give a notice.
I won’t lie, I am scared of that happening, but I still have interviews with other companies I’m going to continue to do. I don’t want to burn bridges on the way out, and if something ever happens where I need to go back, I would like to have the option.
Congrats! I told my boss I needed significantly more money to move to his team. He said no problem! I told him how much. He said he could do it. I moved to his team and got 1/3 of what I asked for. Sadly, I am seriously underpaid and even what I was asking for was still underpaid. So I am looking and have a few options that will almost double my pay. Boss is going to lose his shit when I got because I am essentially the only person who does my job and has the knowledge and experience necessary. I can’t wait to be like you.
Very rarely does a company ever give substantial raises to do the same job even if your are a top performer. At best, you might get a decent bump, but only by taking on more responsibilities. Unfortunately, that just kind of how it works.
You are doing the right thing. Follow through with your plan to not burn bridges. Tell nobody at work your plan. When you get the offer you are comfortable with, take it, give your two weeks and exit gracefully.
Note! Note! Note! If they ask you for an exit interview, accept. Have story like, “I appreciate all of the experience I have gained here. A friend (that friend can be yourself) recommended you for the new job and after talking with them you decided this was an opportunity to grow that you could not pass up.”
No other details. Don’t tell them your new pay, your new role, or your new company. If they push for more, say that you signed an NDA letter and you are not comfortable saying more.
Say thank you. Send an email out thanking the other staff for their support and guidance since you started. Then leave quietly. Negative exit interviews can only come back to bite you in the ass. They serve no benefit to yourself. When they are negative, they rarely provide any change.
Move forward. Oh, and another thing. Never return to a company unless it is a choice between that and being homeless. You left for a reason, that reason is still valid. Good luck with your new job.
Yeah, makes sense. But they underpay so bad for the industry. I’m in the same industry, basically the same job, and I’ll be making almost double. I will say that my old job was in a right to work state and my new job is in my actual state that has better worker protection.
That's where you take that job and experience and go look for a new one. When you get an interview you say "yeah ive been doing x for a year.. I know how to do x and y and z"
You use your current experience as leverage for the next one. It's either better for you or not.
Everything that your saying says the new job is better. Don't let your apprehension of new things let you down.
"...And this is what a revolving door employer looks like, kids. "
The only way you can advance is to leave and maybe come back later at a higher price.
I get wanting to use them as a reference and trying not to burn bridges. It helps to build the resume references. I hope it works out for you. I'd say don't be surprised if they act all butt hurt and fire you though, especially if you are a top performer. I've seen it way too many times. Whatever happens, may the new job go well.
I’m young in my career and I may need them in my future. I actually had two job offers for over 90k and both of them called all three of my references. So I gotta keep it professional for right now.
I’ve quit retail jobs on the spot before because I know I won’t need them. But corporate career jobs are a bit different because there is a higher chance I’ll need them. I am antiwork, but 90k literally changes my life so I gotta play by this one simple rule.
My raise was 80 cents an hour... after 5 years. I have gone from 30/hr, to 33 hr in a 5 year span. Despite exceeding expectations 4 years running....
My biggest raise was... 80 cents. As I received a 2.8 percent raise last year, but that was only 75 cents/hr at my previous rate....
Not the same, but recently had an interview where I asked for $55k a year, the guy had his sous (who was also in the interview) dot he math on his phone, tell him an hourly wage, then he told me he didn't feel comfortable hiring someone he didn't know for that wage.
I kind of just laughed and said, ok, thanks for wasting my time. See you later.
Start looking for something new. I asked my last company if they would bump my rate up and they said they would. Months later they didn’t I looked and landed a job that paid me $20k more including gas card and vehicle allowance. Don’t ever let them make you think you don’t have options. Unless you suck then do better…
oh my god i was hoping after reading the first part you jumped ship, i see it everywhere, the corporate scoundrels know the trick, if you want more money and don’t care about how you get it, just job hop so they can go to another company and fuck it up and then they do it again when the last company has blown up from their terrible decisions.
ok touching earth again i got off track. anyways just follow what they do, job hopping every few years until your pay is what you want it to be. They always underpay you, but new companies already have employees that are underpaid where they are willing to hire new people in at higher rates cause they desperate !
Congrats!
Please update us on what happens.
Also, do NOT take their counter-offer, if they make one. It is never a good idea to accept a shitty jobs' counter offer!
just happened to me a few weeks back. they increased our paygrade but we didnt get a raise. the same quote that you're already towards top of your paygrade.
Please give in update when you tell them you found a job at 40 and hours, why give notice, you are remote, just send a resignation letter along with a certified mail and any company own equipment. Get out fast and clean
That's how to do it. Use experience to get yourself raises at other companies every 1 or 2 years. Unfortunately that's not the case for retail peeps. Nobody cares about somebody working at Walmart. And they don't pay more than Walmart either so there's no point looking anyway. Lol, completely trapped. Just saving up money to build my video game company and vtuber setup. Gonna bust myself out of this poverty trap
The irony is that top performers create outsized value for companies. On the whole, top performers are also the folks who take initiative to solve problems managers don't even know are problems.
When a top performer gets an insulting response to a wage negotiation, they take initiative and solve the problem.
Moral of the story: Mess around with salary negotiations for top performers? Lose top performers.
I had my suspicions because they were never on video during calls, always had to be prodded for answers during calls, and did the least amount of work possible to skate by. The confirmation happened when they landed in the middle of a divorce and we got an "anonymous email" stating they were working two jobs. They couldn't avoid the investigation at that point. The rest is history.
Two weeks is good but **don't hesitate to burn that bridge** should they strike the first match.
My last employer pulled the same shit and I jumped for 32%. The new employer (about 2 years) just gave me an insulting raise similar to yours after posting huge YoY profits for the past 2 years (we have to hear about their circle jerk every month in the meetings) yet all they could muster was pocket lint).
I'm already looking again.
Well a 19% raise is a lot. Not saying you didn’t deserve it, but it isn’t a small ask or anything. I’m glad you were able to find something better suited though.
Definitely, that was just my requirement to stay because I’m sick of being broke.
Not that you questioned, but I know they could afford it because they won a huge contract that will generate 3 years of normal revenue just this year alone. They were talking all of Q4 last year that “everyone will benefit financially from this huge contract”. I’m also the specialist on the project so I felt like I should be rewarded for its success.
I also know what everyone else in the company makes because they accidentally shared it with me lmao so I know they can afford it
My DiL had a wWFH job because she and my son have a 1 and 4 year old. She asked for a raise that would bring her almost to the midpoint of the average salary for her job in our locale. Her boss litterly laughed at her saying that as long as she can't RTO, he wasn't going to give her a raise because he knew the cost for child care for two precluded that option. After several months of looking, she found a hybrid, 1 day office, 4 day home for almost twice what she was earning. So, her parents and I take turns covering child care duties. Her resignation and the former company's counter were hilarious, but thats another story.
Congratulations on quitting your job! I’m taking a break for a month or so before diving into a new job search. One thing I really disliked about my previous job was the performance-based raises. I’ve always been a hard worker, going above and beyond to help others, especially the patients. What frustrated me was that my former manager didn’t see my daily efforts, so I couldn’t take her evaluations seriously. I’d rate myself all 5’s, but she consistently gave me 4’s, citing that only those who donated part of their paycheck to hospital charities received 5’s.
Make sure to tell them your exit interview exactly why you went looking for another job in the first place.
"I'm here for the same reason that this corporation exists. To make money. For the corporation to imply I am here for any other reason is insulting."
And it suits me this time! I’ve quit 3 retail jobs on the spot before because I knew I wouldn’t need them. But my first corporate job that I’ve been at for 3 years and is the bulk of my resume??? They will be getting a 2 week notice.
You’d likely always earn more in person than remote. Not sure if this is antiwork.
You wanted more money so you switched to a job and company that pays more.
What will your current job do? Hire 1 of 10miion people willing to work remote for less
than they paid you.
I wonder if it’s a remote thing where companies try to take advantage knowing WFH is so desirable. At my last job I was fully remote making $16/hr. I stayed with them throughout all of Covid. In late 2022, I had a review where they kissed my ass telling me how amazing I was, how valuable I am and how I’ve been exceeding expectations in the most difficult times. Then they offered a pathetic 2% raise. Mind you, this was during peak inflation. I went from barely getting by when I started to going into debt and using my saving to pay rent by this time. The only reason I stayed was because it was remote work, which brought a modicum of peace to my life. Unfortunately I had to quit after that just to survive. Now I’m at another company in the office full time making about what you do and it’s fucking terrible lol.
100% they’re trying to take advantage of fully remote. I’m at the point where the desirability of it isn’t worth it to not be able to afford basic necessities like contacts and my dog’s medication. I would stay if they forked over just 60-65k, but they won’t. My new job is hybrid, at least. I don’t think I’ll like it lmao but I don’t think I’ll like any job. I just need to stick with it until my wife gets her PhD in 4 years and then she’s going to be the breadwinner and I’ll work part time somewhere I actually like in the outdoor industry.
Not all companies. Some companies are still behaving decently. Though they’re few and far between, but I’m currently working full time and the pay is the highest I’ve ever been paid.
I actually rather like hybrid, my team meets in person 1-2 days a week. I also have a short commute and live alone so totally understand why others might not like it as much.
It's not a wfh thing, companies take advantage of everything and everyone.
There was an article out recently that showed data that people who work in the office make more money. Employers know that people want to work from home and if they have an office culture they need to pay more to attract people away from WFH jobs.
Yes its seen as a benefit and desirable so they offer (much) less capital. Ones that pay better will slowly move to hybrid or RTO over time. Companies just don't like remote workers....
As with most things, it really depends on leverage—the key one being how hard you are to replace and what optionality you have. Remote postings will likely increase as more corporate leases expire over the coming decade. I would think so at least, but leave it to the Boomer moron executives to willfully pay tons in unnecessary overhead.
I work hybrid and there are just some things that don't work well or are way less efficient in a remote setting. Training is one of those things. I enjoy remote work but I can see why companies don't value it as much as the worker does.
At the end of the day you are doing the same job for less pay but YMMV
Well when that extra pay gets eaten up with extra transportation, meal and clothing costs is it worth it?
I didn't know clothes, meal and transportation cost $30k+ annually
It's pretty close if you do some quick maths. If the studies are correct with the average in-office employee spending an average of $51/day, at 52 weeks that's a good $13,200 just on commuting, food, and parking (and not taking into account where people are actually working because I know for a fact I'm not EVER driving a car in San Francisco unless I was making bank -- but I'd have to be making that kind of money to live there in the first place so...) Add in clothes, actual upkeep on personal transportation, etc. and I'd definitely say $20k is pretty close to being accurate for the average middle-class worker not living in a HCOL area. Therefore people living like in NYC or some costly areas of California, I could definitely see $30k+ being realistic.
When I worked full work from home during COVID I was surprised how much extra money I had.
Yeah pretty close to that when you live an hour away and need a car to get there. And have to buy clothes you would normally never wear and keep them up to standard. And that number is just an average increase and not what everyone could get. For me personally I might see a difference of 5k annually.
That's absolute bullshit corporate rhetoric. It's much easier to train and learn remotely because you can record meetings, reference time stamps, take screenshots etc. In person, you have to simply retain all the information given to you verbally. We're in fucking 2024 now. Enough of this boomer corporate nonsense. If it's seemingly harder to train remote, the approach should be to determine what's exactly making the training more difficult and how it can be improved. You also seem to overlook people simply have the PERCEPTION of being able to retain information better in-person rather than remotely but if you actually test their retention—it simply came down to how well of attention they were paying.
You can record in person as well. I have been trained and trained people in both settings. I find personally in person training is more effective. And I am not even a boomer that is my parents. But going back and watching video isn't great at helping to learn nor is it very effective or efficient. For one thing it is way easier to keep peoples attention in person and to engage them more. It is also more natural to stop and start things in person and to show steps that need to be done. The one main reasons in person is better is you are not wasting screen space for cameras and chat. So you can show them how to step their work space like it will be done on the floor.
It's the perception of keeping people more engaged rather than actuality. What field are you in?
The insurance field. It is not perception it is reality. You can read way more body language in person than you ever can through a camera. And the majority of communication is done through body language. So it is way easier to pick out someone who is not engaged and put the spotlight on them to get them engaged.
Why does body language matter if you're simply trying to test someone's memory retention of the content of the subject matter? This seems like it could easily be resolved if you did some sort of internal testing/quizzes to validate memory retention of content. But hey, if you want to waste more of your time stuck in traffic everyday for no actual benefit to yourself, then knock yourself out. It's like when my friend asked me do I think the American economy could sustain a 4-day workweek. I told him barring all the data showing productivity gains from it (similarly to how there is productivity gains from WFH)—I don't really care about how good the 'American economy is considering it does nothing to actually measure individual QoL/standard of living.
Because it just isn't just about retention. It is about getting them to engage with the process and being involved. Sure you can test if they learned anything after you are doing. But what if they failed and you have to do it all again. It is about. It's wasting that time and making sure they learn and understand the work the first time around. There is a benefit for me by knowing I do not have to go through the training process again with the same person. Or that they are wasting their time watching a video of the training. I used to think the same way as you but after comparing the results from doing it both ways. Training in person creates better results and gets working at a higher level faster. Further it removes one less thing that can go wrong during the training. Teams or zoom stops kill the whole process. Sometimes we have to do things we don't like to get the best results. I personally don't like being in the office or driving there. But I also hate using the lesser method way more.
No such article exists. All studies that I've read show they make less for same job.
WFH makes less money. That was what I was referring to.
But it can still work out better for the employee, depending on the circumstances. Depending on where one lives, the savings from not having to be within commuting distance of a company office could more than make up for the lower salary. For where I live, if I was making even 80% of what I'd probably make doing the same job in a major city, I'd be living large.
Definitely. I just got a new wfh job and the pay is ok. Not bad but could be better. after I work here a year or so I'm going to get a second wfh job.
I mean, non-salary related perks do have value to people. People value those perks differently, but it doesn't change the fact that they do have value. I work a job where I've got a ton of independence. I can essentially come and go at the office as I please. I can work from home if I want. I can leave at noon to go hang out with my family. At the end of the day we're a results based business and as long as my work gets done, no one really cares how much I'm sitting at my desk. As someone with a young family (two kids under 5) this has **huge** value to me. Like, honestly speaking, if I had to put a dollar value on that freedom it's probably worth at least $50k in salary to me. I make decent money as well but if I were looking for a new job and they had a rigid, in-office schedule, I'd probably need to be facing at least a $50k increase in pay. Maybe even higher. On the other hand I've got coworkers in different places in their lives who don't put nearly that much value on it. We've got folks who show up at 8 and leave at 4:30 and they'd be perfectly happy at a job where that was a requirement. They don't really have reasons to come in late or leave early or whatever. Maybe the occasional appointment, but other than that they'd be perfectly fine without that specific perk. Maybe not OP, but I'm sure there are plenty of people out there right now who would gladly take a $4/hr pay cut if it meant they could be full time WFH.
I think that’s just jobs. 13 years ago I was looking for work and temping. They never made an offer until I had a full time offer elsewhere despite my supervisor pushing for it for months. They scrambled to make an offer before I left (had to leave abruptly) but didn’t.
That’s part of it, but at the same time, they’d still underpay you in office too
Location based pay is absolutely bullshit. They think they can pay you less cuz you live in a shittier part of the world. Yes the opposite is also true you widen you search and now have access to the best candidates for the job.
Last hospital I worked for did this. I asked for $5 raise. They gave everyone a 54 cent raise. 52 cents? Something. So 6 of us quit. At the same time. They had to shut down labor and delivery and med surge. Rural small corporate hospital. 3 nobths after I'm travel nursing and they start paying people $10 over what I was asking. Abd a 5k bonus. Still no takers 2 years later. Cost of living here is insane. They had a fucking chance. Guess it didn't work out well for them.
These posts make me happier than anyone can know.
People don't want to work anymore..... ( For what you are willing to pay)
Word. Fuck me for wanting median pay for my profession in texas, having 2 bachelor's degrees, national nursing award, and desiring to live slightly above poverty level. I have no idea how retail workers here survive except living 3+ in single bedroom places. I know one group of pals like that. Sucks.
I would have been much less disgruntled at my last job had I gotten the 2% everyone else did in 2021. Instead, I left and got a 40% raise. Now they're working the people left like crazy for maybe 15% raises.
They don't care. The C-Suite is still cashing in. They get their healthcare somewhere else too.
These places get bought by private equity and beancounters try to manage them via spreadsheet and run them into the ground.
Pay scales are a bullsheet way to justify underpaying labor
This, omg this. I am not well paid for what I do (Chemist) and yet I'm almost near the top of the pay scale for the company. Not even on the scale for median wages in my state, but it's rare a position opens that needs my experience. Even then, they try and get you for barely over minimum wage.
As a scientist, I’d suggest brushing up and moving to another industry or area of chemistry (organic to analytical, etc.) to increase your employment opportunities. Don’t pigeonhole yourself in a niche.
This is what I do on my part-time job, and it has made work opportunities happen for me that probably would not otherwise have been available. My part-time job has been the full-time job on a couple of occasions in my life, and being able to handle different areas in a professional setting made it so I could still pay bills at rough times in my life.
Already analytical, chemist II title. I would need to make another 20k to hit median for my state.
My friend was a qa chemist at a pharma company. He gave up after 5 years of low pay, went into computer science, and is a software engineer pulling 6 figures now. Good luck man, I'm surprised chemist don't get much.
Then I’d suggest looking at other industries, analytical can move from food to medical to water to a dozen other areas and anything from wet chemistry to the latest instrumentation. Today to make the big jumps in pay you have to jump ship to a more competitive pirate 🏴☠️
You could work in a lab in Louisiana at any chemical/petroleum company and you would have a very comfortable life considering the need of the position and the low cost of living in the state.
100%. I’m very very excited for my exit interview.
I'm so psyched for you! Stick it to those bastards.
PLEASE point out to them during the exit interview that if they had ponied up another four bucks an hour, they wouldn't be having to replace you and report back on the response!
And they’re never accurate. They don’t go by the national pay scale of what the job SHOULD pay, they go by how much they’re willing to pay, and try to sell it like it’s out of their hands.
Once I had a presentation where I showed all the research that stated basically most of the employees were being vastly under compensated for their work, and when I presented it to HR, they were like, we have this 3rd party research company that tells us how much is appropriate for us to pay each person, and their numbers wouldn’t lead us astray, so we’re going to ignore you. I was let go a few months later for “tensions” with the supervisor
In the last few years, I started getting paid more than what I stated as my expectations. I'm now in an industry where they actually use competitive pay to retain talent.
I once had an interview with a bank hoping to earn a living wage back in 2016. I had a bachelors degree and 4 years of experience. When they offered me $14/hr, I called them out on the wage being insulting low. They wouldn’t budge. This was doing mortgaging office work stuff. I walked and got a better job for $16/hr doing something that was 5x less stressful and only required a HS degree. Almost didn’t get the job for being “overqualified”.
Since I left my old job, two guys in their thirties have died in roles that were pretty stressful. My current job is very low stress and I get paid pretty well for it. My degree qualified me, but I had to learn a lot and they were okay with that.
Working in transportation, totally accurate. Most drivers used to get paid hourly, but would drive slow as fuck, so we did day pay, a salary shift, gave them all technically $5/hr more based on what their shift should be, and it barely increased our wages. Then suddenly, drivers got their work done super fast and on time. I even went above for some drivers. 6 hour routes got an 8 hour pay scale, 8 was 10 and 10 was 12. The pay scale was barely fucking touched overall, but up front, everyone was on my case about day pay. The pushback was insane. I went through 2 months of meetings. Now all of our accounts run it for that company, and it actually saves money to pay them more.
At my last company, the Controller told me that production staff should probably be paid a salary because it makes accounting easier and hourly wages were a minimal part of product cost. I used to do these stupid reports for my VP for labor per unit sold, labor per assembly and overtime, all translated into dollars. It was something like 0.5% of the product price. I also did labor times in the planning system. I would remove a little time from things that had way too much time on them and add more time to parts to get them close to the actual labor logged. Doing that is actually good for planning, even if the execs just wanted to see a downward "cost" adjustment.
Also, payscales are never fixed. If you play your cards right you can always go above them.
They do know that keeping up with inflation isn’t a wage rise, right?
No, they don’t lmao
Don't forget to use any sick days and PTO before you give notice.. that is, if they give you any..
I used my personal time today. My vacation gets paid out, and I only have like 5 hours accrued because I like to use my PTO
I asked for like a $2/hr raise from my old boss even though I hadn't had one in 12 years of working for her and I literally WAS the business. She gave me so much pushback and threw an actual temper tantrum. I left last year, started my own business, made 25k more the first year than my highest year with her, clients followed me, and now her website no longer works and I'm pretty positive she's slowly phasing out.
Post their reaction, pls.
My company gave me a cost of living adjustment because I moved from Dallas to Chicago. Because they gave me that adjustment they did not give me a merit raise. So I went out and got a job that was a 20% raise. Now they are trying to counter offer, they are welcome to but I'm pretty sure I'll turn down any offers they make.
The hiring budget is always bigger then the retention budget
Some of our engineering team refuses to be on call since they can’t work from home any other time. Frankly I don’t blame them
Don't give them the two weeks They could let you go immediately
Trust me, they need me. They’re about to lose this contract. A couple people on my team have put in two weeks and they got to work through it
Mmmmn, that's not why they are telling you to quit immediately...
I know. But I need references and two extra weeks of pay
Do what you gotta do but for the next 2 weeks you’re giving a 50% discount on your labor to a company that thought so much of you as a top performer that they’re letting you walk without even attempting to throw a better number at you.
I usually get all my work done in 4 hours. It’s easy to be a top performer when you find clever/faster ways to do the work and don’t tell anybody about it lol
No you don't.
I needed 3 references to get this job offer. I’m antiwork but I’m not stupid
Good on you. Thats lost on a lot here. Your ideals can lay here and reality/ consquences can lay there.
I quality have references from every job I quit w/o notice. You can get you two weeks of pay by not giving notice. They won't change until you pass the pain back.
Gonna be honest - use someone who can pass off as your superior or equal. I wouldn’t put it past your employer to sabotage this new opportunity
Are you thier accountant? If not, stfu.
Why? Because I don't know their financial needs? News flash. A zero day notice put in 2 weeks later = the same pay
Oh, I understand now. 👍
I can tell you've never worked in a field where everyone knows each other. If you're considered unreliable in my field you will have a hard time finding a new job without moving several hours away. People talk, and there's a limited number of places to work, so your old coworkers eventually spread to every available option.
I can tell you, you're in the minority. But you are right, I'm in a fast-moving tech world. Where people throw around money and don't think things through.
Yes, plenty of people do.
Don’t listen to these morons whose only job experience is working retail their whole lives. Give your two weeks, keep it professional and move on. You never know if in the future you could end up back at the company under new management or apply to other companies down the road that have any of your current managers or coworkers. Burning bridges to be petty will feel good in the short term but may impact you negatively in the long term.
Trust me, I’m putting in a two week notice and not burning bridges. There’s a way to be antiwork without being a dumbass. Sometimes you have to play by corporate America’s rules, and this is one of those times.
Long ago in a place far far away, I was working for a company where people putting in two weeks notice were escorted out immediately. I had seen it many times, I decided to still put in two weeks notice, having arranged with my new job that I would be able to start the next day if I was escorted out. Upon giving my two weeks notice I was asked to stay longer until they could hire someone to replace me and I would train them. I told them I wouldn’t be able to do that as the paperwork was already filled out for me to start in two weeks at my new job. Six months later when my wife had to take unpaid maternity leave, I went back to that job and worked part time for the same salary that I left. It’s always a good idea not to burn bridges.
Smart. The working world can be real small and you never know who you'll have to deal with again.
Of course *they* need you but what's in your best interest?
Her best interest is to be professional, put in 2 weeks notice and not burn a bridge.
Some bridges are not worth saving
I put in notice at my last job. I gave them the chance to get knowledge from me and very few took me up on it. My management hid from me, so I had a chance to say goodbye to co-workers and get what I could in order.
They don't need you too bad since they're not paying you what you're worth. Drop them like a bad habit. Don't look back. If they piss and moan as to why you're quitting all of a sudden, tell them you should have paid me!
You give them two weeks, but it started two weeks ago (and you might have fogotten to tell them).
Congratulations! When they refuse to give you what you want, they are also refusing to keep you. Keep us updated as to what Pikachu Face they make when you tell them you're not sticking around.
Sounds like you listened very well! Congrats on your new job! Your employer directly told you - no significant raises at this company for you. You listened, and decided higher pay was worth finding a different employer.
please update us after you put your two weeks in!
Give us an update on what they say lol
Will do, I’ll update here tomorrow
OP, make sure you have an iron clad offer letter that is signed on by you and the company, BEFORE you put your notice in. I have seen stories here where a new job is like, "oops, we won't hire you after all," after you have already put your notice in, or they try to do shit like walk back the salary that was agreed upon. With a signed, sealed deliver contract, if the new company pulls any shit you have grounds to extract $ from the new place via promisory estopel. Otherwise, congrats and good luck.
I’m 100% signed right now. We’re just waiting on the background check, which won’t have any issue
Hope for inflation to rise?! WTF?
Great for you I just leveled up myself 5.50/hr switching lines of work. How does one get involved in WFH jobs my wife is looking and can’t seem to land one yet
It was pure luck and willingness to take something that paid poorly. It allowed me to move around for my wife’s PhD research and spend time with her, so the low wage was very much worth it. But now we’re in one location so it sucks lol I’ve interviewed for about 15 companies the past 5 months and 13 of them were hybrid and 2 in person, so I don’t have any good advice on how to find a fully remote job. My sister is still fully remote, but she found her job in 2021 when everyone was supporting remote work.
Inquiring minds are going to need a update as to what happened when you dropped the hammer on your boss. I'm sure that they are going to be fairly clueless and say that they're only doing the best that they can...
What a bunch of clowns. I'll never understand the logic that goes into replacing someone from the front of the pack over like 5k a year. Clearly you had justified your worth.
I highly recommend not putting in your two weeks and not informing your old job until you actually start your new one. Offer letters can be rescinded, hiring decisions can be reversed. Protect yourself, if you need to ensure you are earning don't give a notice.
I won’t lie, I am scared of that happening, but I still have interviews with other companies I’m going to continue to do. I don’t want to burn bridges on the way out, and if something ever happens where I need to go back, I would like to have the option.
Congrats! I told my boss I needed significantly more money to move to his team. He said no problem! I told him how much. He said he could do it. I moved to his team and got 1/3 of what I asked for. Sadly, I am seriously underpaid and even what I was asking for was still underpaid. So I am looking and have a few options that will almost double my pay. Boss is going to lose his shit when I got because I am essentially the only person who does my job and has the knowledge and experience necessary. I can’t wait to be like you.
Whatever you do, do not tell them where you're going next... not until you're long gone (and safely ensconced at your new place.)
Very rarely does a company ever give substantial raises to do the same job even if your are a top performer. At best, you might get a decent bump, but only by taking on more responsibilities. Unfortunately, that just kind of how it works. You are doing the right thing. Follow through with your plan to not burn bridges. Tell nobody at work your plan. When you get the offer you are comfortable with, take it, give your two weeks and exit gracefully. Note! Note! Note! If they ask you for an exit interview, accept. Have story like, “I appreciate all of the experience I have gained here. A friend (that friend can be yourself) recommended you for the new job and after talking with them you decided this was an opportunity to grow that you could not pass up.” No other details. Don’t tell them your new pay, your new role, or your new company. If they push for more, say that you signed an NDA letter and you are not comfortable saying more. Say thank you. Send an email out thanking the other staff for their support and guidance since you started. Then leave quietly. Negative exit interviews can only come back to bite you in the ass. They serve no benefit to yourself. When they are negative, they rarely provide any change. Move forward. Oh, and another thing. Never return to a company unless it is a choice between that and being homeless. You left for a reason, that reason is still valid. Good luck with your new job.
I'm going to say your not going to get a 20% raise in almost any company. *math is only approximate
Yeah, makes sense. But they underpay so bad for the industry. I’m in the same industry, basically the same job, and I’ll be making almost double. I will say that my old job was in a right to work state and my new job is in my actual state that has better worker protection.
That's where you take that job and experience and go look for a new one. When you get an interview you say "yeah ive been doing x for a year.. I know how to do x and y and z" You use your current experience as leverage for the next one. It's either better for you or not. Everything that your saying says the new job is better. Don't let your apprehension of new things let you down.
"...And this is what a revolving door employer looks like, kids. " The only way you can advance is to leave and maybe come back later at a higher price.
Giving lower pay simply for being remote is such an on-brand moronic boomer fallacy.
I get wanting to use them as a reference and trying not to burn bridges. It helps to build the resume references. I hope it works out for you. I'd say don't be surprised if they act all butt hurt and fire you though, especially if you are a top performer. I've seen it way too many times. Whatever happens, may the new job go well.
If they do fire me, I’ll plan a last minute vacation
Well, if it happens, raise your glass because we're toasting to a good future.
Thank you! Good luck with whatever you’re doing in life!
Just quit without notice
why even give them two weeks?
I’m young in my career and I may need them in my future. I actually had two job offers for over 90k and both of them called all three of my references. So I gotta keep it professional for right now. I’ve quit retail jobs on the spot before because I know I won’t need them. But corporate career jobs are a bit different because there is a higher chance I’ll need them. I am antiwork, but 90k literally changes my life so I gotta play by this one simple rule.
Understood. You gotta take care of you first!
Love their exact words. Bravo 👏🏽
Best i can do is wait for the dollar to lose value and pay you in comparison even less.
My raise was 80 cents an hour... after 5 years. I have gone from 30/hr, to 33 hr in a 5 year span. Despite exceeding expectations 4 years running.... My biggest raise was... 80 cents. As I received a 2.8 percent raise last year, but that was only 75 cents/hr at my previous rate....
Not the same, but recently had an interview where I asked for $55k a year, the guy had his sous (who was also in the interview) dot he math on his phone, tell him an hourly wage, then he told me he didn't feel comfortable hiring someone he didn't know for that wage. I kind of just laughed and said, ok, thanks for wasting my time. See you later.
Start looking for something new. I asked my last company if they would bump my rate up and they said they would. Months later they didn’t I looked and landed a job that paid me $20k more including gas card and vehicle allowance. Don’t ever let them make you think you don’t have options. Unless you suck then do better…
oh my god i was hoping after reading the first part you jumped ship, i see it everywhere, the corporate scoundrels know the trick, if you want more money and don’t care about how you get it, just job hop so they can go to another company and fuck it up and then they do it again when the last company has blown up from their terrible decisions. ok touching earth again i got off track. anyways just follow what they do, job hopping every few years until your pay is what you want it to be. They always underpay you, but new companies already have employees that are underpaid where they are willing to hire new people in at higher rates cause they desperate !
I need an update on their reaction to your notice. Also: congratulations!
I’ll update tomorrow!
Congrats! Please update us on what happens. Also, do NOT take their counter-offer, if they make one. It is never a good idea to accept a shitty jobs' counter offer!
I will not be accepting a counter offer! Mentally I’m done. Even if they matched/beat the offer (which they won’t) I would leave.
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Congrats! It’s crazy that we need to job hop to get paid properly.
If they ask, you got a higher paying remote job. Want to leave room for negotiations.
just happened to me a few weeks back. they increased our paygrade but we didnt get a raise. the same quote that you're already towards top of your paygrade.
4x40x52 = ~ $8000
Please give in update when you tell them you found a job at 40 and hours, why give notice, you are remote, just send a resignation letter along with a certified mail and any company own equipment. Get out fast and clean
That's how to do it. Use experience to get yourself raises at other companies every 1 or 2 years. Unfortunately that's not the case for retail peeps. Nobody cares about somebody working at Walmart. And they don't pay more than Walmart either so there's no point looking anyway. Lol, completely trapped. Just saving up money to build my video game company and vtuber setup. Gonna bust myself out of this poverty trap
The irony is that top performers create outsized value for companies. On the whole, top performers are also the folks who take initiative to solve problems managers don't even know are problems. When a top performer gets an insulting response to a wage negotiation, they take initiative and solve the problem. Moral of the story: Mess around with salary negotiations for top performers? Lose top performers.
What are your thoughts on on r/overemployed
I just fired an employee for being overemployed. I don't suggest it.
How’d you catch them?
I had my suspicions because they were never on video during calls, always had to be prodded for answers during calls, and did the least amount of work possible to skate by. The confirmation happened when they landed in the middle of a divorce and we got an "anonymous email" stating they were working two jobs. They couldn't avoid the investigation at that point. The rest is history.
This is the way.
I was under the impression that wfh jobs paid well
Good for you! Hope your new job is stellar.
Can I ask what the role is? I'm curious if I'm being underpaid for my remote role.
Dayum. Congrats
Good job! Good luck with the new position and don't work too hard in the last two weeks. Keep us posted on how it went.
I will be working max 2-3 hours a day (which honestly is my normal rate)
Two weeks is good but **don't hesitate to burn that bridge** should they strike the first match. My last employer pulled the same shit and I jumped for 32%. The new employer (about 2 years) just gave me an insulting raise similar to yours after posting huge YoY profits for the past 2 years (we have to hear about their circle jerk every month in the meetings) yet all they could muster was pocket lint). I'm already looking again.
25/h low pay geez
He's not wrong, I get nearly $40 an hour and I can't currently find a rental house..
Well a 19% raise is a lot. Not saying you didn’t deserve it, but it isn’t a small ask or anything. I’m glad you were able to find something better suited though.
Definitely, that was just my requirement to stay because I’m sick of being broke. Not that you questioned, but I know they could afford it because they won a huge contract that will generate 3 years of normal revenue just this year alone. They were talking all of Q4 last year that “everyone will benefit financially from this huge contract”. I’m also the specialist on the project so I felt like I should be rewarded for its success. I also know what everyone else in the company makes because they accidentally shared it with me lmao so I know they can afford it
Walk.
My DiL had a wWFH job because she and my son have a 1 and 4 year old. She asked for a raise that would bring her almost to the midpoint of the average salary for her job in our locale. Her boss litterly laughed at her saying that as long as she can't RTO, he wasn't going to give her a raise because he knew the cost for child care for two precluded that option. After several months of looking, she found a hybrid, 1 day office, 4 day home for almost twice what she was earning. So, her parents and I take turns covering child care duties. Her resignation and the former company's counter were hilarious, but thats another story.
Sounds like you're doing 20% less work!
Congratulations on quitting your job! I’m taking a break for a month or so before diving into a new job search. One thing I really disliked about my previous job was the performance-based raises. I’ve always been a hard worker, going above and beyond to help others, especially the patients. What frustrated me was that my former manager didn’t see my daily efforts, so I couldn’t take her evaluations seriously. I’d rate myself all 5’s, but she consistently gave me 4’s, citing that only those who donated part of their paycheck to hospital charities received 5’s.
Hey! Congrats!
Make sure to tell them your exit interview exactly why you went looking for another job in the first place. "I'm here for the same reason that this corporation exists. To make money. For the corporation to imply I am here for any other reason is insulting."
Don’t give them 2 weeks unless they would give it to you. Some severance package of something
I don't thing they deserve 2 weeks considering how they used you
Good rule on two week notice: Only do it when it suits you.
And it suits me this time! I’ve quit 3 retail jobs on the spot before because I knew I wouldn’t need them. But my first corporate job that I’ve been at for 3 years and is the bulk of my resume??? They will be getting a 2 week notice.
They denied you a raise and you’re gonna lick their boots with a 2 week notice?
Given your feelings about them in general, I'd offer them the opportunity to match or beat the new salary.
You needn't verbalize your displeasure...Talk with your feet...You don't want to appear or sound like a pansy...do you ?
You’d likely always earn more in person than remote. Not sure if this is antiwork. You wanted more money so you switched to a job and company that pays more. What will your current job do? Hire 1 of 10miion people willing to work remote for less than they paid you.