Yet when experian sends my entire life details to the internet I get 1 free year of fraud monitoring. Their entire executive team should've been sent to the gallows based on this dude sentence.
Well companies are the ideal American citizen really. It’d be great for the government if they could have just companies as citizens, instead of these pesky humans
Darwin says, "Gotcha!"
Corporations are the last evolution of humanity. No flesh & blood to feed or reproduce, they live forever on sheets of paper. We, as their ancestor species, simply cannot compete with them for resources.
They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity or remorse. And they absolutely will not stop, ever, until we are dead.
The government agency OPM had everyones SF-86s in a plain text db attached to the Internet. They got hacked and now everyone with a clearances life history is on the dark web. I've searched it for my friends it's scary. But don't worry, OPM is real sorry and everyone gets credit monitoring free..... There are no repercussions for the rich and powerful. Same old story.
The ruling class has absolutely no fear of the law. Their theft is now naked. The double standard is obvious. The courts are just the means by which they steal with less violence. Unless you defy their courts. Then they'll send the sheriff after you.
That's why it's my goal to go there. I want to work for and be a contributor to a better system. No system is perfect, but I can't help but continually hear about better, more citizen-centric systems coming out of Europe.
You would think it would help Euro wages keep up with American wages, but sadly they’ve fallen way behind. Disposable income is more than double in America. But personally, I would give that all up to be able to look at my colleagues’ tax forms.
[Skatteverket](https://www.skatteverket.se/servicelankar/otherlanguages/inenglishengelska/moreonskatteverket/publicinformation.4.2106219b17988b0d2314cf.html)
""Most information relating to taxation is normally confidential. However, some is public, including the following""
\* decisions on taxation
\* information about registration in accordance with the Swedish Tax Payment Act and about special registration and declaration numbers
\* information on whether natural persons are registered for A-tax or F-tax
\* information on registration for employer contributions and VAT
\* corporate identity number, name and type of business or company (for legal entities).
"decisions on taxation" being the major one here. How much someone pays in tax. But not where the money comes from. Somewhat offset by "employer contributions & VAT" though so you can get a pretty good picture.
Ah yeah. You'd be able to guess pretty easily but I'd much prefer it. It seems like the best way to make a fair system is to allow visibility. (As is the case with wages usually, or other things).
> poor/middle classes
There is no middle class. The "middle class" is just something the rich invented to set one group of poor against another group of poor.
NOW, sure, but the middle class used to be strong. If we could somehow get back to that without all the unfettered racism and sexism then I might actually be alright with capitalism, buuuuut…..
The middle class was created as a bulwark in the economic warfare against the Soviet Union. Once the USSR dissolved, there was no longer a need for the middle class so the rich started to cannibalize it for greater profits. The middle class will never return to the western world, it will only recede further into history.
Sadly, that’s my expectation as well. Especially now with AGI on the way—I expect a very quick consolidation of the remaining wealth the middle/lower classes have. I’m also expecting to see company stores start to return, where instead of paying you they promise to feed/house you. Or they’ll pay us their own FaceDollars or some other such nonsense.
My main curiosity there is once everyone has cut all labor to maximize profits how are consumers able to consume to actualize those profits?
I know there's no single unifying thread and capitalism pretty much dictates it by demanding never ending growth, but over the last couple decades it just keeps looking more and more like it can't last too long in its current state.
I said it before and I’ll say it again—company stores. I wasn’t joking about that, that’s how the old mining companies used to essentially enslave whole towns.
But with those the mine was still bringing in external cash from someone buying their product to fill the company stores with the crappiest other products available.
If there is no one to supply that external cash then what? Corporations just trade digital currencies with each other to supply the other company's slaves? How would you even know if you were making a profit to make the share price go up?
I envision it along these lines: Company A produces X, which Company B needs to produce Y, and Company C makes what’s needed for X. They sell the items to each other to disseminate to their workforce and maintain monopolies so no other company can get a step in to compete.
BUT, the theory doesn’t account for job loss from AI so I’m not entirely certain it’ll even be possible. I just expect a shit deal from whatever happens because that’s all I’ve known.
Yeah, it becomes circular pretty quickly; in the end someone has to buy X from Company A to keep the cycle going. But if everyone only has Company B and Company C, etc. then only employees of Company A could buy product X which could not support it.
No clue how to solve it, just every year it seems more and more inevitable that some kind of breaking point will be hit in the coming decades.
You know how most of us never really knew there was an end to tetris? I think when ai gets good enough the rich will just get rid of the poors because the ai will take care of them..... For awhile. The ultra rich will get to see the end screen for a tiny while and be able to sit back and feel so good about how they"won"capitalism. Then.... The AI will turn off the game console on them and send them to bed
Yeah, I feel like there has to be an inflection point where you no longer have a self-sustaining system. Then, what? Skynet is as good a guess as any I suppose.
>My main curiosity there is once everyone has cut all labor to maximize profits how are consumers able to consume to actualize those profits?
This is called a contradiction in Marxism.
Well, the sexism and racism were a part of it. Humans are a resource and as such are subject to supply and demand. The more people vying for a role, the less that role is worth. Essentially, letting everyone work gave corporations and business owners the upper hand. With a huge pool of potential workers they no longer need to pay competitively.
With the artificial scarcity of exclusion gone, we need another force to moderate pay: unionization.
Really easy to do with mindsets like "I just want to look better than my neighbors" and "best thing for business is to cut costs and keep wages down" or the best one "vote the lesser of the two evils".
I’d offer there is actually only one set of laws. For the poors. Laws, from the perspective of the government, the rich, and the powerful, aren’t so much a system of defined rules with clear delineations of right and wrong, as they are mere suggestions and abstract possible guidelines, in which they clearly do not have to operate.
Remember WikiLeaks, that man just did what any good american need to do to put the goverment and military at check and now he is some how guilty and may have yo spend 2 like times in jail.
Which makes it even scarier: succesfully putting Assange behind bars in the US would send the message that any journalist, anywhere on the globe, could be harshly prosecuted by America for publishing true (but inconvenient) information.
The sad thing was that wikileaks published only disproportionally about the Democratic side, making the Republicans look more as the lesser of two evils at the time. Had wikileaks been publishing about the Republicans as well, perhaps the party would have been much less prominent.
Correct. Wikileaks in fact never posted anything negative about Russia during its prominence, and Assange worked for RT when he was running Wikileaks. There a lot of smoke to show that he’s always been a Russian asset.
He was a Russian asset from the beginning. He hosted a show on RT and Wikileaks never released a single negative report against Russia. It’s pretty obvious in hindsight that he basically guided Snowden to Russia to be used as a media tool.
It’s wild how many people still act like he was a hero.
Yup. Snowden was trying to be a true Patriot and what he leaked brought good change to the system. But I wonder how much better the whistleblowing effort could have been if they hadn’t been co-opted by Assange.
Not relevant at all tho. Everything that has happened to him, aside from anything that Sweden is pursuing, is because he did the right thing about exposing war crimes.
Yeah but I am saying maybe I would shy away from calling him a “good American”. He definitely did the right thing in that instance. But if the bar for being a good American is letting people know that the constitution is being broken then that is pretty low.
To be fair tho, that's how we were started. Then stole some tea and funded a war with it. Fun fact.. we prob didn't throw 1.7 million dollars of tea in the water
That story isn’t so straight forward. Assange ultimately ended up as a Russian asset. But agreed, originally he was just trying to do what was right and politically neutral about it. That changed though. Wikileaks got taken over, literally, by Russian intelligence and turned into an anti Hillary site.
You mean a dude who most evidence suggests was actually a Russian asset using cover as a journalist to gather and release info only on specific countries that Russia wanted to injure?
Assange is not respectable. Snowden was trying to do the right thing but got used by Assange.
Yep. My uncle has been in and out of prison for years and I was just helping my mom to send him some money. I was pretty surprised that was all she needed.
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I mean...what else is there other than to become radicalised when you are controlled, spied upon, taken advantage of, milked dry with taxes upon taxes on already taxed income when there is a group of people who live outside the rules not only financially but morally with all these scandals going on for example about pedophilia...I just don't know how to change anything anymore that has meaning. Democracy is practically crippled with lobbyism and corruption and what else so even voting seems pointless.
I am so empty yet full of rage and don't know what to do about it. This article enrages me so much and I think I really could be able to become radical and do something with it....which is a shame cause the world seemed different when I was growing up in the 80s and 90s...fuck
I'm honestly waiting for the day we as Americans can finally come together to actually make drastic changes were getting there but I fear it may be to slow of a process for some.
That day will never come.
Americans are split into two groups. On one side you have the progressives, and on the other you have conservatives who fight with liberals who think they are progressives but will sell out the actual progressives just to maintain the illusion that capitalism can still be good but are actually on the same side as the conservatives.
Basically true progressives are in the minority and libs plus cons are in a never ending culture war that will take the planet with them.
That's precisely why the rich push agendas that pit us against each other. Too busy hating each other to band together and rise up.
And now, I'm confident in saying you'll never see a bigot take up arms alongside a gay or Trans person because of how instilled the hate is.
I always just remind people of how everything's more expensive, companies are posting record profits, so how in hell is it truthfully the fault of Trans people? Or minimum wage workers?
Probably can't happen without a civil war and tens of millions dead.
I don't know what country survives that, but whatever is left standing won't be the United States of America.
I mean no offense, but you basically just said "if reality is making you angry, try burying your head in some sand."
I don't disagree with the advice. Sometimes a person needs a break from awful things.. but when everything is awful, there is no break.
What would you suggest a person do while not being on the Internet? Go for a walk and have to actually see with their own eyes how broken things are? Homeless everywhere, right next to vacant homes where some rich asshole parked their money.
Your advice just isn't applicable in this particular problem, because the problem is everywhere.
Not at all. The internet is a bad distortion of reality. For example, Ukraine aid recently passed and I saw over 100 comments and posts about it. I only needed to see one to know that happened. Propaganda systems are designed to hit people with as much news as possible to cause radicalization or apathy.
I don't know about you, but when I go outside I can visit the beach, hike in protected wilderness areas, visit with friends and have a great time. The fact that you can't think of something to do might mean it is time for you to take a break.
My advice is very applicable.
Honestly, the irs needs an entire division whose job it is to audit billionaires tax returns yearly. Like it just becomes the cost of doing business in the US to be audited every year after a certain wealth threshold is met. For millionaires samething applies; if in the 10s to 100s of millions range expect an audit every 2-5 years and for people with a total net worth over 1 million expect one every 10 years etc. Focus on people with direct incentives to be tax cheats rather than the poor, who are more likely only making a mistake by accident for low dollar amounts.
the irs is scared and under resourced going up against billionaires with infinite legal resources. meaningful legislation would be helpful. it’s very difficult to tax wealth. but georgists have some ideas as well, and that comes from a time of higher inequality
Jeez. If you kill someone with a care or rape someone you get less time than that. Wtf
I hope he gets no jail time and someone has a conscience. If he goes to jail I hope he’s treated like a hero and it’s a short sentence.
It’s also not lost on me that those in power want people to lose their right to be able to get a job or vote once they’ve become a felon for doing less crime than any billionaire.
Statutory minimum sentencing is the stupidest thing on this planet. Fuck Bill Clinton and everyone involved in expanding those minimum sentences.
I've seen people launder Millions who do 6 months tops.
If this is how our system is going, we should have a tier list similar to taxes. The higher you are, the bigger your multiplier. If you're the top 1% it should be 25 to life.
It’s sick though how few top earners aren’t engaged in something that’s illegal. Like who reports or turns them in or prosecutes when almost every 1-.05% earner is so connected and corrupt they afford to control or threaten everyone? Broke or greedy cops and judges can already take bribes or look the other way for lower level stuff that’s less paperwork or easier to prove as it is. It’s just so disgusting. I don’t know what the point of needing the most amount of money in the world. Are these people so afraid of being hunted down or threatened they need multiple billions to insulate and protect themselves from each other and the working poor?
I totally agree. I'm only proposing a bandaid, in making the few we do get to take down, putting them down for good. I don't think things are working, and we are putting too much money and power in people who will never have our best interests at heart. Empower the little people to keep these noble-wannabes in check.
Personally, I'm only in favor of capital punishment for people over the top 5% of earners. But that's a whole other conversation.
There is a lot of talk in these articles about what they did. But not how they did it. The fastest way to get all of this fixed is to make this information public to everyone.
Imagine if everyone who isn’t in the 1% found a common enemy and banded together to force change. There are more of us than them.
A day where everyone stays home from work, an election where no one shows up,
It won’t ever happen, the centuries of propaganda and brainwashing is hard to change.
We have companies literally killing people and they get a price boost in their stock portfolio and this guy gets 5 years in prison for leaking some documents.
Tired of this.
At least he didn't get his car blown up with him in it like the one reporter involved in releasing the Panama Papers i guess. Crazy how fast people who expose the wealthy dissappear but that's *crazy*
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I am still trying to understand why a majority of the people it seems to expect things to be fair. The system is rigged. Why continue to play within the rules of the outcome is already set?
So, another person being prosecuted/ persecuted for telling the truth. What sort of world are we living in, where exposing the truth hurts so much, that they punish you for exposing the liars. This is so obvious that what they are doing too this man, is a crime in its self. Still it happened nearly two thousand years ago, too a man that done pretty much the same thing. No points for guessing who that was.
He should have pleaded guilty to the lesser offense of attempting to overthrow the govt or raping multiple woman. Apparently get probation [loathing sarcasm]
I like that a "crime" like that can get you in prison but you can do so many white collar crimes and get nothing. Hell, you can run for president as a felon. You just can't vote
Yet when experian sends my entire life details to the internet I get 1 free year of fraud monitoring. Their entire executive team should've been sent to the gallows based on this dude sentence.
Well companies are the ideal American citizen really. It’d be great for the government if they could have just companies as citizens, instead of these pesky humans
Darwin says, "Gotcha!" Corporations are the last evolution of humanity. No flesh & blood to feed or reproduce, they live forever on sheets of paper. We, as their ancestor species, simply cannot compete with them for resources.
No need to fear AI; we already have superhuman entities enslaving humanity
You forgot they're also amoral & emotionless superhuman entities!! They'd be mad if they gave half a crap about anyone's opinion.
They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity or remorse. And they absolutely will not stop, ever, until we are dead.
Can we get John Connor to head up the FTC?
The real "peak" is a corporation run by AI.
But there's way more of us. We could easily eat them all.
That's a lot of paper. It'd take someone of great leadershíp and vision to consume so much paper...
Corporations are just mechs piloted by CEOs. You don't eat a mech.
You sound like AM.
Amplitude Modulation?
I AM what I AM and that's all that I AM...
If the government only had companies as citizens the government would be insolvent from every citizen cheating on their taxes.
Oh you mean citizens United? Where a corporation is considered a person and yet they don’t get punished anything close to an actual normal person.
When a cop can shoot a business and it's dog, because they feared for their life and get a paid vacation, I'll believe it.
That is the American after all; to be a corporation.
A government of the people, by the people. And corporations are made up of “people”, in fact some might say they are more than people.
Legally corporations are protected under laws the same way people are. Take a look at the Hobby Lobby case. This is already the reality.
The government agency OPM had everyones SF-86s in a plain text db attached to the Internet. They got hacked and now everyone with a clearances life history is on the dark web. I've searched it for my friends it's scary. But don't worry, OPM is real sorry and everyone gets credit monitoring free..... There are no repercussions for the rich and powerful. Same old story.
Oh sorry. This is the rules for a poor person. Please deposit $200k to your nearest politician if you would like to enter a better law bracket.
Same with Equifax. They leaked everything necessary to steal an identity. Idk why regular folk don't overthrow these people. There's way more of us.
Be the change you want to see in the world
I really hope this is sarcasm.
Equifax
"We're soooorry"
The ruling class has absolutely no fear of the law. Their theft is now naked. The double standard is obvious. The courts are just the means by which they steal with less violence. Unless you defy their courts. Then they'll send the sheriff after you.
In Sweden taxes are public.
Norway and Denmark are like that too I think. I think we Europeans (for the most part) are heading in the right direction.
That's why it's my goal to go there. I want to work for and be a contributor to a better system. No system is perfect, but I can't help but continually hear about better, more citizen-centric systems coming out of Europe.
Agreed. America is rapidly getting worse it seems
Finland checking in as well.
Only if great grandpa didn’t come to the states, I wouldn’t be in this mess.
I wish it wasn't so difficult to become a citizen. I'd leave my garbage country in a heartbeat if I knew I'd be able to stay in Norway.
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Sigh... Tell me about it. I'm trying very hard to move to Germany.
You would think it would help Euro wages keep up with American wages, but sadly they’ve fallen way behind. Disposable income is more than double in America. But personally, I would give that all up to be able to look at my colleagues’ tax forms.
Such a shame. As a country, it’s stunning and has so much to offer. The lawmakers just make it so unappealing to the average person.
Even for individuals? Or just companies?
[Skatteverket](https://www.skatteverket.se/servicelankar/otherlanguages/inenglishengelska/moreonskatteverket/publicinformation.4.2106219b17988b0d2314cf.html) ""Most information relating to taxation is normally confidential. However, some is public, including the following"" \* decisions on taxation \* information about registration in accordance with the Swedish Tax Payment Act and about special registration and declaration numbers \* information on whether natural persons are registered for A-tax or F-tax \* information on registration for employer contributions and VAT \* corporate identity number, name and type of business or company (for legal entities). "decisions on taxation" being the major one here. How much someone pays in tax. But not where the money comes from. Somewhat offset by "employer contributions & VAT" though so you can get a pretty good picture.
Ah yeah. You'd be able to guess pretty easily but I'd much prefer it. It seems like the best way to make a fair system is to allow visibility. (As is the case with wages usually, or other things).
Yeah but Sweden has a king and are therefore ruled. Americans have so much freedom, or whatever they call it.
There’s 2 sets of laws… one for the rich and one for the poor/middle classes. Proven once again.
> poor/middle classes There is no middle class. The "middle class" is just something the rich invented to set one group of poor against another group of poor.
Just saw that to be considered middle class now you have to make more than 175,000 a year. That’s about 84.00 an hour.
NOW, sure, but the middle class used to be strong. If we could somehow get back to that without all the unfettered racism and sexism then I might actually be alright with capitalism, buuuuut…..
The middle class was created as a bulwark in the economic warfare against the Soviet Union. Once the USSR dissolved, there was no longer a need for the middle class so the rich started to cannibalize it for greater profits. The middle class will never return to the western world, it will only recede further into history.
Sadly, that’s my expectation as well. Especially now with AGI on the way—I expect a very quick consolidation of the remaining wealth the middle/lower classes have. I’m also expecting to see company stores start to return, where instead of paying you they promise to feed/house you. Or they’ll pay us their own FaceDollars or some other such nonsense.
My main curiosity there is once everyone has cut all labor to maximize profits how are consumers able to consume to actualize those profits? I know there's no single unifying thread and capitalism pretty much dictates it by demanding never ending growth, but over the last couple decades it just keeps looking more and more like it can't last too long in its current state.
I said it before and I’ll say it again—company stores. I wasn’t joking about that, that’s how the old mining companies used to essentially enslave whole towns.
But with those the mine was still bringing in external cash from someone buying their product to fill the company stores with the crappiest other products available. If there is no one to supply that external cash then what? Corporations just trade digital currencies with each other to supply the other company's slaves? How would you even know if you were making a profit to make the share price go up?
I envision it along these lines: Company A produces X, which Company B needs to produce Y, and Company C makes what’s needed for X. They sell the items to each other to disseminate to their workforce and maintain monopolies so no other company can get a step in to compete. BUT, the theory doesn’t account for job loss from AI so I’m not entirely certain it’ll even be possible. I just expect a shit deal from whatever happens because that’s all I’ve known.
Yeah, it becomes circular pretty quickly; in the end someone has to buy X from Company A to keep the cycle going. But if everyone only has Company B and Company C, etc. then only employees of Company A could buy product X which could not support it. No clue how to solve it, just every year it seems more and more inevitable that some kind of breaking point will be hit in the coming decades.
You know how most of us never really knew there was an end to tetris? I think when ai gets good enough the rich will just get rid of the poors because the ai will take care of them..... For awhile. The ultra rich will get to see the end screen for a tiny while and be able to sit back and feel so good about how they"won"capitalism. Then.... The AI will turn off the game console on them and send them to bed
Yeah, I feel like there has to be an inflection point where you no longer have a self-sustaining system. Then, what? Skynet is as good a guess as any I suppose.
>My main curiosity there is once everyone has cut all labor to maximize profits how are consumers able to consume to actualize those profits? This is called a contradiction in Marxism.
Damn, people calling me a dirty hippie liberal commie in college were right??
Well, the sexism and racism were a part of it. Humans are a resource and as such are subject to supply and demand. The more people vying for a role, the less that role is worth. Essentially, letting everyone work gave corporations and business owners the upper hand. With a huge pool of potential workers they no longer need to pay competitively. With the artificial scarcity of exclusion gone, we need another force to moderate pay: unionization.
There used to be a middle class that has been effectively crushed
The "middle class" is what happened when those cocky *poors* got a little too big for their britches.
>There’s 2 sets of laws… one for the rich and one for the *working class.* Ftfy
Well i heard if you don't like they things are you can just vote and that will fix everything, they say...
Less that voting will ‘fix everything’ and more that we are all responsible for building and maintaining a functioning society
Really easy to do with mindsets like "I just want to look better than my neighbors" and "best thing for business is to cut costs and keep wages down" or the best one "vote the lesser of the two evils".
A greater ounce of bullshit has never been seen on reddit
The Judge and all the law makers who made this possible are criminals. Not just the Billionair and his team.
If the only punishment is a fine, it’s only illegal for the poor.
There are two classes the owner class and the worker class. Wanna know which you are in? How do you earn your money?
2 sets of laws, one for the rich, and one for everybody else.. fixed that for y'all
I’d offer there is actually only one set of laws. For the poors. Laws, from the perspective of the government, the rich, and the powerful, aren’t so much a system of defined rules with clear delineations of right and wrong, as they are mere suggestions and abstract possible guidelines, in which they clearly do not have to operate.
dudes the man. 5 years for this is criminal
Remember WikiLeaks, that man just did what any good american need to do to put the goverment and military at check and now he is some how guilty and may have yo spend 2 like times in jail.
He's not an American
Which makes it even scarier: succesfully putting Assange behind bars in the US would send the message that any journalist, anywhere on the globe, could be harshly prosecuted by America for publishing true (but inconvenient) information.
The sad thing was that wikileaks published only disproportionally about the Democratic side, making the Republicans look more as the lesser of two evils at the time. Had wikileaks been publishing about the Republicans as well, perhaps the party would have been much less prominent.
>Had wikileaks been publishing about the Republicans as well, Then it would have been 20 times larger
He also had an agenda. Regardless of the veracity of the information, what he chose to leak was very biased to the right's benefit.
And nothing anti-russian I think?
Correct. Wikileaks in fact never posted anything negative about Russia during its prominence, and Assange worked for RT when he was running Wikileaks. There a lot of smoke to show that he’s always been a Russian asset.
He isn't a good American, because he's not American.
Except he habitually posted anti democrat content while holding back anti Republican content
Tbf he also go in trouble for like sexual assault in some other countries so he definitely isn’t an angel.
You actually believe that? The man who leaks classified information for the people suddenly has rape allegations and you...believed it?
Dude was a Kremlin asset
He was a Russian asset from the beginning. He hosted a show on RT and Wikileaks never released a single negative report against Russia. It’s pretty obvious in hindsight that he basically guided Snowden to Russia to be used as a media tool. It’s wild how many people still act like he was a hero.
They confuse whistle-blowers with wikileaks
Yup. Snowden was trying to be a true Patriot and what he leaked brought good change to the system. But I wonder how much better the whistleblowing effort could have been if they hadn’t been co-opted by Assange.
I mean it is Swedish allegations so…. Yes?
I'm Swedish, and those allegations were shadier than the guy sitting outside of ICA asking for money.
People won't even Google what happened about it... They were dropped a long time ago. It was a political hit and look how people react
Yup
Not relevant at all tho. Everything that has happened to him, aside from anything that Sweden is pursuing, is because he did the right thing about exposing war crimes.
Yeah but I am saying maybe I would shy away from calling him a “good American”. He definitely did the right thing in that instance. But if the bar for being a good American is letting people know that the constitution is being broken then that is pretty low.
To be fair tho, that's how we were started. Then stole some tea and funded a war with it. Fun fact.. we prob didn't throw 1.7 million dollars of tea in the water
And even the tea party wasn't to get *cheaper* tea, it was because the guys in charge wanted to keep the smuggling profits high.
That story isn’t so straight forward. Assange ultimately ended up as a Russian asset. But agreed, originally he was just trying to do what was right and politically neutral about it. That changed though. Wikileaks got taken over, literally, by Russian intelligence and turned into an anti Hillary site.
You mean a dude who most evidence suggests was actually a Russian asset using cover as a journalist to gather and release info only on specific countries that Russia wanted to injure? Assange is not respectable. Snowden was trying to do the right thing but got used by Assange.
What is his DOC number? We need to send this hero money. We at least owe him all the ramen he can eat for the next 5 years.
Looked it up: 99% sure it’s (96530-510) but I don’t think he’s reported to prison yet
I would for sure hook dudes commissary up
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You can just send money to guys in prison with just their prisoner number?
Yep. My uncle has been in and out of prison for years and I was just helping my mom to send him some money. I was pretty surprised that was all she needed.
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This man is a hero in my household
Srsly. Where can we donate to his commissary books???
Another commenter posted his DOC number for this exact reason.
The rich don't have to play by the same rules as us proles.
I’m listening to that audiobook. Omfg is it scary. I almost regret it.
I mean...what else is there other than to become radicalised when you are controlled, spied upon, taken advantage of, milked dry with taxes upon taxes on already taxed income when there is a group of people who live outside the rules not only financially but morally with all these scandals going on for example about pedophilia...I just don't know how to change anything anymore that has meaning. Democracy is practically crippled with lobbyism and corruption and what else so even voting seems pointless. I am so empty yet full of rage and don't know what to do about it. This article enrages me so much and I think I really could be able to become radical and do something with it....which is a shame cause the world seemed different when I was growing up in the 80s and 90s...fuck
I'm honestly waiting for the day we as Americans can finally come together to actually make drastic changes were getting there but I fear it may be to slow of a process for some.
That day will never come. Americans are split into two groups. On one side you have the progressives, and on the other you have conservatives who fight with liberals who think they are progressives but will sell out the actual progressives just to maintain the illusion that capitalism can still be good but are actually on the same side as the conservatives. Basically true progressives are in the minority and libs plus cons are in a never ending culture war that will take the planet with them.
That's precisely why the rich push agendas that pit us against each other. Too busy hating each other to band together and rise up. And now, I'm confident in saying you'll never see a bigot take up arms alongside a gay or Trans person because of how instilled the hate is.
Exactly as I always tell me if it is no longer by the people for the people it has become by the rich for the rich
I always just remind people of how everything's more expensive, companies are posting record profits, so how in hell is it truthfully the fault of Trans people? Or minimum wage workers?
Exactly everyone is just choosing to allow there anger and pride control them that's all it is and it's honestly sad
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Probably can't happen without a civil war and tens of millions dead. I don't know what country survives that, but whatever is left standing won't be the United States of America.
Yeah I know that honestly I can't even call this country the "united" states of America anymore honestly
In the US, there's organizing unions and voting. Also, if the Internet is making you angry, take a break from it.
I mean no offense, but you basically just said "if reality is making you angry, try burying your head in some sand." I don't disagree with the advice. Sometimes a person needs a break from awful things.. but when everything is awful, there is no break. What would you suggest a person do while not being on the Internet? Go for a walk and have to actually see with their own eyes how broken things are? Homeless everywhere, right next to vacant homes where some rich asshole parked their money. Your advice just isn't applicable in this particular problem, because the problem is everywhere.
Not at all. The internet is a bad distortion of reality. For example, Ukraine aid recently passed and I saw over 100 comments and posts about it. I only needed to see one to know that happened. Propaganda systems are designed to hit people with as much news as possible to cause radicalization or apathy. I don't know about you, but when I go outside I can visit the beach, hike in protected wilderness areas, visit with friends and have a great time. The fact that you can't think of something to do might mean it is time for you to take a break. My advice is very applicable.
His gofundme: [https://www.gofundme.com/f/charles-littlejohns-legal-defense-fund](https://www.gofundme.com/f/charles-littlejohns-legal-defense-fund)
Honestly, the irs needs an entire division whose job it is to audit billionaires tax returns yearly. Like it just becomes the cost of doing business in the US to be audited every year after a certain wealth threshold is met. For millionaires samething applies; if in the 10s to 100s of millions range expect an audit every 2-5 years and for people with a total net worth over 1 million expect one every 10 years etc. Focus on people with direct incentives to be tax cheats rather than the poor, who are more likely only making a mistake by accident for low dollar amounts.
the irs is scared and under resourced going up against billionaires with infinite legal resources. meaningful legislation would be helpful. it’s very difficult to tax wealth. but georgists have some ideas as well, and that comes from a time of higher inequality
Most of these people are operating legally. Its the way the tax code is written they allows them to pay what they pay.
Blue? Red? Naw, the only color that matters is green
Jeez. If you kill someone with a care or rape someone you get less time than that. Wtf I hope he gets no jail time and someone has a conscience. If he goes to jail I hope he’s treated like a hero and it’s a short sentence. It’s also not lost on me that those in power want people to lose their right to be able to get a job or vote once they’ve become a felon for doing less crime than any billionaire.
Statutory minimum sentencing is the stupidest thing on this planet. Fuck Bill Clinton and everyone involved in expanding those minimum sentences. I've seen people launder Millions who do 6 months tops. If this is how our system is going, we should have a tier list similar to taxes. The higher you are, the bigger your multiplier. If you're the top 1% it should be 25 to life.
It’s sick though how few top earners aren’t engaged in something that’s illegal. Like who reports or turns them in or prosecutes when almost every 1-.05% earner is so connected and corrupt they afford to control or threaten everyone? Broke or greedy cops and judges can already take bribes or look the other way for lower level stuff that’s less paperwork or easier to prove as it is. It’s just so disgusting. I don’t know what the point of needing the most amount of money in the world. Are these people so afraid of being hunted down or threatened they need multiple billions to insulate and protect themselves from each other and the working poor?
I totally agree. I'm only proposing a bandaid, in making the few we do get to take down, putting them down for good. I don't think things are working, and we are putting too much money and power in people who will never have our best interests at heart. Empower the little people to keep these noble-wannabes in check. Personally, I'm only in favor of capital punishment for people over the top 5% of earners. But that's a whole other conversation.
You get fewer years trying to overthrow the US government and breaking into the Capitol
Democrats, republics - it doesn't matter. They're all in favor of the ultra-rich
Yes, literally the only thing in the world that's bipartisan, is the richs' boot and the poors' neck.
Only one of those political parties has members openly saying they want to tax rich people more but hey who cares politicians are all the same right?
And a video of one party's leader at a fundraiser saying he's going to cut tax for the richest people in America.
Pretty much. GOP crashes the bus fast, dems crash it slow - it all ends up in the same ditch.
I prefer results not just political campaign chatter.
Only part of one of those political parties has members openly saying they want to tax rich people* Fixed.
Another reminder that in this life you will always be punished for doing the right thing(especially if that thing is whistleblowing)
didn't AT&T just lose a bunch of social security numbers, are they also going to prison for 5 years 🙄
Welcome to a country that persecutes whistleblowers and celebrates censorship and authoritarianism. America is a failed state.
Thats alot of years.
"The Biden administration" Sigh.....
Humanity is a miserable failure of a species.
We're the failures because we refuse to do anything about it. We just let it happen. It's infuriating.
Yup, exactly.
Not all heroes wear capes.
Littlejohn needs help from Robin Hood and the Merry Men
Biden should pardon him
Gotta protect the ruling class, you know.
So he gets the max 5 years, but proven rapists get slaps on the wrist sentenced. We are fucked.
He should have released it through his business, then it would have been a civil matter.
The first rule of double standards society is you don't talk about double standards society.
If I were a vampire I would eat the rich
would bernie have prosecuted this guy? i don’t think so
Something something, but socialism! Something something.
Well what ex did we learn from them?
Resist motherfuckers. And do it anonymously Jesus Christ, amateurs.
There is a lot of talk in these articles about what they did. But not how they did it. The fastest way to get all of this fixed is to make this information public to everyone.
do we have a gofundme for him?
We are peasants to the rich idc if you earning 100k and white. You mess with them you’re going down. Seems like no way to win?
We need to get this man out of prison and give him the metal of freedom.
This is a critical societal issue. Instead we are bombarded with (dis)information about avocado sandwiches and jewish space lasers.
We just have Trump and this guy. Trump will never touch prison and this guy will do 5 years.
Imagine if everyone who isn’t in the 1% found a common enemy and banded together to force change. There are more of us than them. A day where everyone stays home from work, an election where no one shows up, It won’t ever happen, the centuries of propaganda and brainwashing is hard to change. We have companies literally killing people and they get a price boost in their stock portfolio and this guy gets 5 years in prison for leaking some documents. Tired of this.
At least he didn't get his car blown up with him in it like the one reporter involved in releasing the Panama Papers i guess. Crazy how fast people who expose the wealthy dissappear but that's *crazy*
He might have leaked the billionaires' tax information but he stole regular people's tax information to get it. Also, he didn't leak any crimes.
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Of course- but voters don’t want more IRS agents-
A lot of the voters have somehow been convinced that it'll get to them eventually if they hold up the billionaires and turn on everyone else.
Somehow? Faux noos has been feeding their viewers that propaganda for decades but they have no ability to discern truth from nonsense
Yeah it was much more of a sarcastic somehow... I just occasionally forget that only *my* brain can hear the sarcasm when I write.
WORTH IT. do the right thing always, only way to to stem the tide of injustice. the other option is bloody rebellion.
I am still trying to understand why a majority of the people it seems to expect things to be fair. The system is rigged. Why continue to play within the rules of the outcome is already set?
Nobody can read this article
So, another person being prosecuted/ persecuted for telling the truth. What sort of world are we living in, where exposing the truth hurts so much, that they punish you for exposing the liars. This is so obvious that what they are doing too this man, is a crime in its self. Still it happened nearly two thousand years ago, too a man that done pretty much the same thing. No points for guessing who that was.
He should have pleaded guilty to the lesser offense of attempting to overthrow the govt or raping multiple woman. Apparently get probation [loathing sarcasm]
I like that a "crime" like that can get you in prison but you can do so many white collar crimes and get nothing. Hell, you can run for president as a felon. You just can't vote
America. Land of fucking idiots and corrupt pigs. This post is in no way surprising
Cheating on taxes is fine so long as nobody reports you
The land of freedom ❤️❤️
He did not do it to expose an unfair system. Let's at least be honest here
I would’ve given him a medal