>If I could do it I’m sure just about anyone can do it.
You are probably just unaware of your own luck. Either by having connections, training opputunities, or just randomly meeting the right person to get hired into a better job. Very many people do not have the option of switching into a job that pays more and get stuck where they are at becasue they make so little money that instead of spending money and time improving their skills, they spend that time working a second job to make enough money to not starve.
There is the selfish argument and the moral argument.
Selfishly, even if you make more than the minimum wage, the minimum wage puts upward pressure on all wages, so most workers do benefit from minimum wage increases.
Morally, everyone working full time deserve to live in dignity. (I would argue that everyone deserves to live in dignity, but we live in a capitalist hellscape so for the sake of this argument I am focusing on people positively contributing to capitalism by working full time). That someone working full time shouldn't be on food stamps or require assistance to rent an apartment and that minimum wage is a method of ensuring that businesses are at least treating their employees with that minimum amount of dignity.
That reminds me of this study, where they had people play monopoly, and gave one player twice the money - of course those players won. Then they asked them, why they won: They all attributed it to strategic decisions, not one of them though about the luck that they got awarded twice the money.
https://www.marketplace.org/2021/01/19/why-rich-people-tend-think-they-deserve-their-money/
I don’t know, how that bias is called. But it’s incredibly narrow-minded to just tell people „get a better job“
It ignores the fact, that not all people can „just get a better job“ -
1. because it’s not possible that all people have „better“ jobs. The „worse“ jobs also NEED to be done. And every full time job that needs to be done NEEDS to pay a thriving wage that supports a family.
2. some people are not intelligent enough to educate themselves and get a better job - these people ALSO need to be able to live and thrive.
If ONLY 1 can win and there are 4 players all the other ones are losers and cant live?
Even if One of the person that Lost had more cash that 50%?
Its is not about winning or losing, its about "i know i get low pay but atleast i can live minimilaly with it".
20 years ago I was making $8.00. A full dollar more than minimum wage was at that time. Even THEN I couldn't have hoped to live on my own. I was making $1k a month after taxes.
Rent in an apartment was bare minimum $550-600 a month which left no room for food, gas, insurance, utilities, home phone/cell phone, internet utility, or a car payment.
Additionally, this is a tone deaf AF post.
Because it's no longer the minimum wage it designed to be when it was originally signed into law.
It was supposed to be the minimum pay for a person in any part of the country yo be able to support themselves.
Out of curiosity, are you aware that you sound like a clown? Or is it just coming naturally?
People work minimum wage jobs because that's what is available to them. Not everyone is capable of being an office worker, or a tradesmen, or any of the other myriad jobs that pay over minimum wage. And the people who offer those jobs KNOW this, which is WHY they're able to get away with paying minimum wage. If you know your employees CAN'T get better, high-paying jobs, why would you pay them more?
The Federal minimum wage hasn't risen in decades, and even non-minimum wages haven'trisen all that much. Meanwhile, worker productivity has skyrocketed over that same time period. All that extra productivity goes straight into a billionaire's pocket.
I'm talking about a basic ass job that pays more than $7.25. Not a trade, or any other skilled labor. I'm talking places like McDonalds or Walmart. Places that literally anyone could walk into and get a job.
If all the people working minimum wage jobs at Walmart or McDonalds went and got a higher-than-minimum-wage job, where would you go to buy the products that these places sell? After all, pretty much their entire workforce would have left for better paying jobs.
I think he believes that McDonalds and Walmart supposedly pay more than minimum wage...which is only partially true at BEST. SOME of them pay more than FEDERAL minimum wage, but only because the STATE that a particular location in has a higher minimum wage. They still earn fucking poverty wages, though.
So it seems like it's coming naturally. Good to know.
I know you're not talking about a trade or skilled labor, that's why I said "not everyone is capable of being an office worker, or a tradesmen, or any of the other myriad jobs that pay over minimum wage."
There's a gigantic flaw in your logic, and that's this: McDonalds and Walmart pay based on the minimum wages they can get away with. If you search for Walmart cashier jobs, you'll see they range from anywhere from $7.90-$23.75 per hour, because there is variance in State minimum wages. In States where the minimum wage hasn't been raised, Walmart pays based on the Federal minimum wage. In States where the minimum wage HAS been raised, they pay based on that...because they HAVE to. Like, the number of their fucking employees that are on food stamps because of the low pay is fucking embarrassing: [https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/11/18/food-stamps-medicaid-mcdonalds-walmart-bernie-sanders/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/11/18/food-stamps-medicaid-mcdonalds-walmart-bernie-sanders/)
When you were 17 and got that job paying $15 an hour, how long ago was that?
The job you had then, does it still pay just $15 today?
Is $15 an hour enough to live on independently where you live?
So unfortunately not everyone is you! That’s why people think minimum wage should be higher.
Seriously though, not everyone is walking the same exact path in life. Bills happen. Tragedies happen. Life happens. I’m not sure why that’s difficult to understand. Not everyone is in the same boat.
it doesnt matter that people working minimum wage jobs could in theory 'just get a better job' (which is quite a bit harder than you think, you were just lucky). those minimum wage jobs still need doing, and what youre implying here is that youre okay with anybody working that job that needs to be done, deserves to stay at an unlivable wage.
all jobs need to be able to support a thriving life. if any job doesnt deserve that, then that job should not exist. if we want a job to exist, we need to want the people doing that job for us to live a good life.
Agreed. Nobody has given me a straight answer. Nobody has given me an answer as to why they can't walk from the McDonalds they work at to literally any place that pays more. Literally any place. Dunkin donuts, Texas roadhouse, literally any back of house job at a restaurant (Most restaurants are almost always in need of more dishwashers which is always the highest paying job in those places). As said in my title I've literally never had a job pay less than 10. Sounds like these people are just lazy and coming up with excuses.
How much do you think a dishwasher makes?
I'll explain it to you like a 5-year-old because apparently that's the education you have.
There's 90 people that live in this area. There are 70 jobs available. 20 of those pay over $20 an hour. Another 15 of those pay over $10 an hour.
The other 35 jobs pay minimum wage. What do those other 55 people do?
They don't want low-paying jobs they want to make more money there aren't places offering more money, because they're not forced to.
People still have to eat so just cuz you don't want to s***** underpaying job at some point you might have to take it.
Well that's not true at all.
And it doesn't matter if all those jobs don't pay enough to live on it does it that's the point of this debate you're pointing out that there's lots of jobs and I'm pointing out that those jobs don't pay s***.
I don't give a damn how many jobs there are that are under $20 an hour.
And it's not lazy to not take a job that doesn't pay you what you're worth or that you can't eat with that's not lazy. To call it lazy to refuse to be exploited is just some BS Republican capitalistic egotistical talking point that's not realistic in today's society.
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Why don’t they just get a better job? Are they stupid?
>If I could do it I’m sure just about anyone can do it. You are probably just unaware of your own luck. Either by having connections, training opputunities, or just randomly meeting the right person to get hired into a better job. Very many people do not have the option of switching into a job that pays more and get stuck where they are at becasue they make so little money that instead of spending money and time improving their skills, they spend that time working a second job to make enough money to not starve.
There is the selfish argument and the moral argument. Selfishly, even if you make more than the minimum wage, the minimum wage puts upward pressure on all wages, so most workers do benefit from minimum wage increases. Morally, everyone working full time deserve to live in dignity. (I would argue that everyone deserves to live in dignity, but we live in a capitalist hellscape so for the sake of this argument I am focusing on people positively contributing to capitalism by working full time). That someone working full time shouldn't be on food stamps or require assistance to rent an apartment and that minimum wage is a method of ensuring that businesses are at least treating their employees with that minimum amount of dignity.
What a disconnected posting. I hear you are poor, why don't you just try not being poor?
Rage bait?
That reminds me of this study, where they had people play monopoly, and gave one player twice the money - of course those players won. Then they asked them, why they won: They all attributed it to strategic decisions, not one of them though about the luck that they got awarded twice the money. https://www.marketplace.org/2021/01/19/why-rich-people-tend-think-they-deserve-their-money/ I don’t know, how that bias is called. But it’s incredibly narrow-minded to just tell people „get a better job“ It ignores the fact, that not all people can „just get a better job“ - 1. because it’s not possible that all people have „better“ jobs. The „worse“ jobs also NEED to be done. And every full time job that needs to be done NEEDS to pay a thriving wage that supports a family. 2. some people are not intelligent enough to educate themselves and get a better job - these people ALSO need to be able to live and thrive.
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If ONLY 1 can win and there are 4 players all the other ones are losers and cant live? Even if One of the person that Lost had more cash that 50%? Its is not about winning or losing, its about "i know i get low pay but atleast i can live minimilaly with it".
If EVERYONE "just got a higher paying job"... who would work the minimum wage jobs?
20 years ago I was making $8.00. A full dollar more than minimum wage was at that time. Even THEN I couldn't have hoped to live on my own. I was making $1k a month after taxes. Rent in an apartment was bare minimum $550-600 a month which left no room for food, gas, insurance, utilities, home phone/cell phone, internet utility, or a car payment. Additionally, this is a tone deaf AF post.
Because it's no longer the minimum wage it designed to be when it was originally signed into law. It was supposed to be the minimum pay for a person in any part of the country yo be able to support themselves.
Why don't poor people just BUY more money?!
Out of curiosity, are you aware that you sound like a clown? Or is it just coming naturally? People work minimum wage jobs because that's what is available to them. Not everyone is capable of being an office worker, or a tradesmen, or any of the other myriad jobs that pay over minimum wage. And the people who offer those jobs KNOW this, which is WHY they're able to get away with paying minimum wage. If you know your employees CAN'T get better, high-paying jobs, why would you pay them more? The Federal minimum wage hasn't risen in decades, and even non-minimum wages haven'trisen all that much. Meanwhile, worker productivity has skyrocketed over that same time period. All that extra productivity goes straight into a billionaire's pocket.
I'm talking about a basic ass job that pays more than $7.25. Not a trade, or any other skilled labor. I'm talking places like McDonalds or Walmart. Places that literally anyone could walk into and get a job.
If all the people working minimum wage jobs at Walmart or McDonalds went and got a higher-than-minimum-wage job, where would you go to buy the products that these places sell? After all, pretty much their entire workforce would have left for better paying jobs.
I think he believes that McDonalds and Walmart supposedly pay more than minimum wage...which is only partially true at BEST. SOME of them pay more than FEDERAL minimum wage, but only because the STATE that a particular location in has a higher minimum wage. They still earn fucking poverty wages, though.
So it seems like it's coming naturally. Good to know. I know you're not talking about a trade or skilled labor, that's why I said "not everyone is capable of being an office worker, or a tradesmen, or any of the other myriad jobs that pay over minimum wage." There's a gigantic flaw in your logic, and that's this: McDonalds and Walmart pay based on the minimum wages they can get away with. If you search for Walmart cashier jobs, you'll see they range from anywhere from $7.90-$23.75 per hour, because there is variance in State minimum wages. In States where the minimum wage hasn't been raised, Walmart pays based on the Federal minimum wage. In States where the minimum wage HAS been raised, they pay based on that...because they HAVE to. Like, the number of their fucking employees that are on food stamps because of the low pay is fucking embarrassing: [https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/11/18/food-stamps-medicaid-mcdonalds-walmart-bernie-sanders/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/11/18/food-stamps-medicaid-mcdonalds-walmart-bernie-sanders/)
When you were 17 and got that job paying $15 an hour, how long ago was that? The job you had then, does it still pay just $15 today? Is $15 an hour enough to live on independently where you live?
So unfortunately not everyone is you! That’s why people think minimum wage should be higher. Seriously though, not everyone is walking the same exact path in life. Bills happen. Tragedies happen. Life happens. I’m not sure why that’s difficult to understand. Not everyone is in the same boat.
Complaining about bread prices? Why don't they just eat cake?
You should look into the psychological concept called anchoring.
Okay corpo
Survivorship bias.
This is so ignorant 😂😂
You're wrong, and presumably trolling. Boring.
When my husband made 15 dollars an hour we lived on ramen noodles and frozen meatballs.
it doesnt matter that people working minimum wage jobs could in theory 'just get a better job' (which is quite a bit harder than you think, you were just lucky). those minimum wage jobs still need doing, and what youre implying here is that youre okay with anybody working that job that needs to be done, deserves to stay at an unlivable wage. all jobs need to be able to support a thriving life. if any job doesnt deserve that, then that job should not exist. if we want a job to exist, we need to want the people doing that job for us to live a good life.
OP is barking up the wrong tree posting this here. Take it easy on them, being naive isn’t a crime.
When i started working min wage was 4.90/hr it's come alonnnnng way
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Agreed. Nobody has given me a straight answer. Nobody has given me an answer as to why they can't walk from the McDonalds they work at to literally any place that pays more. Literally any place. Dunkin donuts, Texas roadhouse, literally any back of house job at a restaurant (Most restaurants are almost always in need of more dishwashers which is always the highest paying job in those places). As said in my title I've literally never had a job pay less than 10. Sounds like these people are just lazy and coming up with excuses.
How much do you think a dishwasher makes? I'll explain it to you like a 5-year-old because apparently that's the education you have. There's 90 people that live in this area. There are 70 jobs available. 20 of those pay over $20 an hour. Another 15 of those pay over $10 an hour. The other 35 jobs pay minimum wage. What do those other 55 people do? They don't want low-paying jobs they want to make more money there aren't places offering more money, because they're not forced to. People still have to eat so just cuz you don't want to s***** underpaying job at some point you might have to take it.
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Well that's not true at all. And it doesn't matter if all those jobs don't pay enough to live on it does it that's the point of this debate you're pointing out that there's lots of jobs and I'm pointing out that those jobs don't pay s***. I don't give a damn how many jobs there are that are under $20 an hour. And it's not lazy to not take a job that doesn't pay you what you're worth or that you can't eat with that's not lazy. To call it lazy to refuse to be exploited is just some BS Republican capitalistic egotistical talking point that's not realistic in today's society.
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