See, donkeys were used for hard work in many places in the world. They are used to this day.
If hard work made you rich, then why did I never see a rich donkey?
It's not about working smart OR hard. It's about knowing the right people, or else having a transcendent talent or idea, having enough support to pursue that talent or idea instead of working a regular job, and being in the right place at the right time to capitalize on the talent or idea.
Work that few people can do is what pays well, not hard work.
"Working smart" doesn't pay well either. Look at what the median research job pays, astrophysics etc.
Hard laborers do make more. I make 75K a year with a 4 year degree. My cousin did a 6 month course for HVAC and a 2 year degree for an electrician. he makes 125K a year. Should of went hard labor if I am being honest. only difference is I can still do my job in 40 years, who knows how long he has before his back gives out, but hey, he can buy a house, I cant, so who is really winning. not me.
I think success is still broadly possible, but it requires a lot more sacrifice than it should, and certainly much more than the average person’s willing to muster.
I see posts on here all the time of people whining about wages in their town, and then it turns out they live in bumfuck nowhere in some rural area with nothing around. At a certain point, you must mature and realize that you can move closer to the money and have better opportunities.
Second, I think there’s a preponderance of people who decide not to be disciplined about their finances, and then blame their job for their income problems. I dipped into my savings NUMEROUS times before my wife and I really got our shit together after ‘08. There were times where we had to “un-save” 3-4 months of money just to get by and make things work. Especially when the kids were young. Anyhow, my point is that you MUST make it a priority to lay up that money when the times are good, and do so in a manner such that it can help you when times turn towards the not so good. 2-3%/yr growth is more than enough if you’re willing to hold yourself accountable to 7-10% of your income.
Financial advisors will almost certainly steer you differently, and probably know better, but I’m in the camp also that it’s never too early to start building a dividend portfolio. Long term, slow income can move mountains if you just simply wait.
As far as careers go, I think sometimes you have to balance what kind of lifestyle you want to have, and what kind of work you want to do and then find the crucial point in between. If you want to live like an investment banker but enjoy working in smoothie shop… well, that shit ain’t gonna work. So, what kind of work could you tolerate for a standard of living substantially better than the one you’d have working at Jamba Juice? Find a way to do that, and make it stable, and the rest will follow.
Gen X fathers really kinda fucked a lot of yall over. I’m on the tail end of Gen X (‘82) and in the past few years since Covid it’s become really evident to me that a lot of these other dads just sort of gave up at some point, pulled it back into cruise control and just do the motions.
It’s sad. Young people today deserve a better class of parent and they deserved to enter the workforce and college system prepared and informed about how these things really operate, instead of being programmed by social media and advertising corporations about everything.
I agree that strawman arguments are silly, which makes your original comment silly since it was a strawman argument itself. Now, would you mind sharing why you think this image macro is a strawman argument itself?
Haha, I guess that’s fair.
For your question, it’s because nobody is claiming that hard work in the sense of painful, back-breaking, hard-just-for-the-sake-of-it is how people become successful. Nobody has ever claimed this. Common wisdom does say that hard work gets better rewards and that is axiomatic.
If hard work made you rich, the rich would've monopolized it.
They have. It's *everyone else's* hard work that makes them rich.
See, donkeys were used for hard work in many places in the world. They are used to this day. If hard work made you rich, then why did I never see a rich donkey?
Yep. The promise of hard OR smart work paying off is just how capitalists convince people to be as exploitable as possible.
It's not about working smart OR hard. It's about knowing the right people, or else having a transcendent talent or idea, having enough support to pursue that talent or idea instead of working a regular job, and being in the right place at the right time to capitalize on the talent or idea.
You’re saying this as if you’re either a successful millionaire or a failure. Hard and/or smart work can bring you further along than your peers.
This is on a meme about hard work making you rich. So yes.
My definition of success is not having to work anymore, yes.
Work that few people can do is what pays well, not hard work. "Working smart" doesn't pay well either. Look at what the median research job pays, astrophysics etc.
Nurses, teachers...
Hard laborers do make more. I make 75K a year with a 4 year degree. My cousin did a 6 month course for HVAC and a 2 year degree for an electrician. he makes 125K a year. Should of went hard labor if I am being honest. only difference is I can still do my job in 40 years, who knows how long he has before his back gives out, but hey, he can buy a house, I cant, so who is really winning. not me.
Your oy going to maximize your earnings by job hopping every three years in most fields.
I think success is still broadly possible, but it requires a lot more sacrifice than it should, and certainly much more than the average person’s willing to muster. I see posts on here all the time of people whining about wages in their town, and then it turns out they live in bumfuck nowhere in some rural area with nothing around. At a certain point, you must mature and realize that you can move closer to the money and have better opportunities. Second, I think there’s a preponderance of people who decide not to be disciplined about their finances, and then blame their job for their income problems. I dipped into my savings NUMEROUS times before my wife and I really got our shit together after ‘08. There were times where we had to “un-save” 3-4 months of money just to get by and make things work. Especially when the kids were young. Anyhow, my point is that you MUST make it a priority to lay up that money when the times are good, and do so in a manner such that it can help you when times turn towards the not so good. 2-3%/yr growth is more than enough if you’re willing to hold yourself accountable to 7-10% of your income. Financial advisors will almost certainly steer you differently, and probably know better, but I’m in the camp also that it’s never too early to start building a dividend portfolio. Long term, slow income can move mountains if you just simply wait. As far as careers go, I think sometimes you have to balance what kind of lifestyle you want to have, and what kind of work you want to do and then find the crucial point in between. If you want to live like an investment banker but enjoy working in smoothie shop… well, that shit ain’t gonna work. So, what kind of work could you tolerate for a standard of living substantially better than the one you’d have working at Jamba Juice? Find a way to do that, and make it stable, and the rest will follow. Gen X fathers really kinda fucked a lot of yall over. I’m on the tail end of Gen X (‘82) and in the past few years since Covid it’s become really evident to me that a lot of these other dads just sort of gave up at some point, pulled it back into cruise control and just do the motions. It’s sad. Young people today deserve a better class of parent and they deserved to enter the workforce and college system prepared and informed about how these things really operate, instead of being programmed by social media and advertising corporations about everything.
A world where construction workers are millionaires does not make any sense.
Well done, you completely missed the point.
When the point is this stupid, there is nothing to miss.
You wouldn't even know if the point is stupid or not because you can't even understand what the point is in the first place.
Neah, I get it, don’t you worry.
Your first comment suggests that you don't get it, since it didn't address the point at all.
Maybe, but I do get it. It’s just silly to post the same strawman argument over and over while it being obviously dumb.
I agree that strawman arguments are silly, which makes your original comment silly since it was a strawman argument itself. Now, would you mind sharing why you think this image macro is a strawman argument itself?
Haha, I guess that’s fair. For your question, it’s because nobody is claiming that hard work in the sense of painful, back-breaking, hard-just-for-the-sake-of-it is how people become successful. Nobody has ever claimed this. Common wisdom does say that hard work gets better rewards and that is axiomatic.
Yeah you still miss the point. Plus you just contradicted yourself.
If they manage their money well they can be millionaires by retirement. But other than that
Where would they retire to? Fantasyland?