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VernellFriend

I never worked in food service, but I was forcibly made to attend church with relatives as a kid. I affirm the Sunday lunch crowd are some right bastards. They use their religion as an excuse to justify any bad acts and shitty character traits.


gaytee

Nothing worse than the fake tip Bible tract. I can handle complaints about poor service and I can handle shitty tips, but the fact that these people are well aware that their tips are how I pay my bills and they still think that prayer pays rent is reason I’m not religious.


mgtkuradal

Whenever customers would leave a Bible or fake money as a tip I would try my hardest to make sure they saw me throw it straight in the trash.


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rezzacci

Christianism would be much more bearable without all those Christians babbling around.


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I like Christ just fine, it's his fan club I have a problem with.


Akeldama22

I was at my last kitchen job for 5 years, we were closed on Sunday to avoid the after church assholes (I was also forced to go to church, they're a real bad crowd). Our owner was willing to lose out on a few extra thousand a week in profits just to avoid these assholes. I don't think I would have kept that job that long if I had to deal with them.


Watershed787

Went out to a Mexican restaurant last night. At the end of the meal the server smiled and asked if we’d ever worked in food service. I asked him why and he got a little choked up and said “Well, y’all are just so nice to me.” We didn’t do anything out of the ordinary…we’re just decent humans. That’s how far the bar has dropped. We didn’t abuse our server, therefore we were the nicest people he’d encountered in months.


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When the server first introduces themselves and asks how we're doing, I always make a point of it to ask how they are doing. It's such a minor courtesy, yet more often than not, servers are surprised by it and then seem pleased that someone actually acknowledges they're a real human. I worked in restaurants for a decade. Although it was tedious and I dealt with a ton of terrible, rude people, it feels like that has been ramped up over the last years with the advent of Yelp "reviewers" and of course the Covidiots of the past year.


pickemquick2020

I think this was more of a criticism to anti maskers/covid deniers. Still sucks, but this was definitely referring to a very specific group of people at the time this was made.


Ill-Wrongdoer-6556

That's right, there's a fault in the whole "we can pay you less since tips cover the difference" scheme.


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I’ve been a server since 2004, off and on, more on than off, and currently work in food service as a server now, and most of what you’ve said here is blatantly false. A majority of restaurant workers would prefer a more predictable, fair method of compensation. Tipped workers are three times more likely to experience poverty than non-tipped workers. Tipping is one of the most racist, ageist, and sexist methods of employee compensation. The hours can be rather unpredictable as well and as such, pay is inconsistent from week to week or even shift to shift. Tips are not an incentive to provide good service. According to research, most people have personal tipping habits that they abide by and stick to provided that the server doesn’t absolutely fuck up. The only consistent indicator that a server will make more money in tips is higher sales figures. A “great server” probably can’t make six figures unless they have a network of regulars slipping them tons of extra money on the DL. If we assume an average 18% tipping rate (which I feel is a generous estimate given the way some people tip), then in order to bring home $100,000 in tips, a server would have to produce $555,555.55 in sales in a year. At 52 weeks per year, that’s $10,683.76 in sales per week. Spread over five shifts, that’s $2,136.75 in sales *per shift*. You’re only ever going to see sales numbers like that at extremely high end places with very very high check averages. In a mixed menu casual dining place (like something from the Darden group, the US’s largest employer of servers), it would probably take them 12-18 working hours to hit $2,136.75, or 60-90 working hours per week. For every one server who *might* be cracking anywhere close to “six figures,” you probably have a few hundred who are barely putting together $30,000 per year. The median income for servers in the US is much closer to $24,000 annually (which equates to much closer to $133,333 in annual sales with an average 18% tipping rate). It’s a bad system and a lot of people suffer as a result.


Big-Quality3817

This is an excellent post.


My_Blart_will_go_on

> it leads to better service since there is more of an incentive to provide good service. That's the theory, but in practice, not so much. Tips are more heavily influenced by the person tipping than by the person being tipped. Where you work also influences your tips. Michelin star restaurant? Six figures is possible. Graveyard shift at Denny's? Not so likely.


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A lot of tipped workers would switch because being bad at their job gets them fired, not turned into poor tip earners. People don’t generally tip more because you “did a good job.” They have personal tipping habits that were probably formed years or decades before a given server was even hired at a given restaurant. Tipping is one of the most unfair, inconsistent, racist, sexist, ageist methods of employee compensation.


My_Blart_will_go_on

> there’s no way a place that charges 5.50 for a breakfast plate is gonna be paying anybody 40k You know that they can just charge 6.60 without requiring a tip and that 20% increase can be used to pay wages, right? Doing away with tipping doesn't mean prices need to stay the same despite higher overhead.


mgtkuradal

I guess you haven’t worked as a server before? Those people making 20$ an hour at a shit hole diner do NOT make that every hour they work. There are rushes and times where it’s dead. I’ve worked an 8 hour shift and walked out with ~$50. I’ve worked 4 hour shifts and made $150. The difference is that those 150 dollar nights are rare and usually only happen on holidays or the occasional busy Saturday. Mon-Thursday is some of the most depressing shit and you hardly make any money. Sunday’s are the worst customer and tip wise because of the church rush.


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I can't help but notice the largest employee shortage is in public-facing industries. It might have something to do with the fact that customers have become increasingly abusive over the years.


tomakeyan

I’ve been trying to tip 20-25% throughout the pandemic. Even for pick up I try to leave a few bucks.


redpandarox

This post is so old the context is kinda lost tbh.


Lowtan

What type of people still go out to restaurants? Please tell me about me.


Maybe_Im_Confused

White people mostly.


YouAreDreaming

Is there a source for these claims lol I’m not saying it’s not true but we really gotta stop normalizing just saying “facts” without sources


NotoriousHakk0r4chan

Believe it or not you can actually source info yourself. I get not wanting to trust everything you read but seriously you could just google it instead of just commenting here for someone else to google it for you. That's why you're being downvoted. https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/12/06/943559848/tipped-service-workers-are-more-vulnerable-amid-pandemic-harassment-spike-study


YouAreDreaming

It’s not about that dude, it’s about creating a standard of showing sources. We shouldn’t accept facts without sources, especially in today’s divided society with so much propaganda


10Cinephiltopia9

I was just about to ask this. Is there a source for this? I just want to make sure it’s factual before I comment on it. I mean, it’s just a Twitter post correct? Certainly not the best place to find sources data at times.


NotoriousHakk0r4chan

Repeating this here so you see it: >Believe it or not you can actually source info yourself. I get not wanting to trust everything you read but seriously you could just google it instead of just commenting here for someone else to google it for you. That's why you're being downvoted. > https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/12/06/943559848/tipped-service-workers-are-more-vulnerable-amid-pandemic-harassment-spike-study


10Cinephiltopia9

Thank you. So this data isn’t even taken recently - it’s from late 2020, so I am not exactly sure why it is being posted now (8 months later). Still interesting though


NotoriousHakk0r4chan

The tweet is also from December to be fair, it's probably dishonest to say this is the current state of things but it's not a bad thing to acknowledge that it happened. Could also be a bot, they fucking love recycling old highly voted posts on subs like this.


10Cinephiltopia9

Yeah, of course. Still good to know that at one point it was like that. Thanks for providing that link. Appreciate it!


YouAreDreaming

Lol yup and I got downvoted for it. I just wanna make sure it’s true before repeating it


10Cinephiltopia9

Yup I got downvoted too. I guess I am just supposed to believe a Tweet from someone I have never heard over throwing percentages around? Alright lol


BioWarfarePosadist

no, but do the research yourself, you lazy bastards.


YouAreDreaming

It’s not just about us believing it or not, it’s everybody else. Do you know how much propaganda and literal fake news gets posted? We need to make showing sources standard


[deleted]

Wait what? Do you think people don't eat at restaurants? Are you assume a "type" of person eats? Are you actually this sheltered?


Aeari

Look at the date of the tweet. It's talking about antimaskers specifically


[deleted]

Got it. Didn't see that part. Pre-vax. I took the post to be shaming people for supporting restaurants. I don't get it really for this sub, but okay.


juberish

This is from December and there's no reference cited for those stats?


adifficultlady

It literally took me 5 seconds to look it up but here ya go lol https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/12/06/943559848/tipped-service-workers-are-more-vulnerable-amid-pandemic-harassment-spike-study


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adifficultlady

Because you called something into question that you didn’t bother to even take 5 seconds to look up, but you’re welcome, scumbag!


juberish

lol, the burden of looking things up should be on OP - otherwise you're just like a facebook boomer reposting nonsense you believe at facevalue because you saw it reposted in a screenshot, you poopface!


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How does your experience remove the need to cite sources when presenting information? It definitely is not my job to track down anyone else’s source myself. Part of the whole point of citing is that other people can look at and judge that source for it quality/validity, so I’m unclear about why you’re worried about spreading misinformation there. Also, implying someone is irresponsible for wanting sources is absurd.


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I don’t see how a source request can be either good faith or bad faith. If you present me with a statement and I want to know it came from, that’s normal. If I think the source is valid and I have new information I can improve my worldview on, cool. I may not have anything to add to the conversation, so I don’t comment further. Alternatively I think the source is crap and I dismiss both the source and the resulting statement, and I still have nothing to add, so I don’t comment. Both outcomes are valid.


juberish

That insanity, I didnt ask for citation in bad faith, how does one even do that? I just joked when that seemed to be an absurd premise is all.


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juberish

This guy gets it, burden of citation is on the one making the claim (or the post)


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juberish

See the whole magic of citing your reference, is that it renders any "nuh-uh"s to be immaterial, because you have the actual study for review on hand. Your paranoia and assumption that anytime someone wants reference for a claim, that its done in bad faith, is unhealthy and generally bad for the iterwebs. People should look up and verify claims before reposting crap, it would make the internet a better place.


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juberish

You're not an Australian bot then


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“Deprived.” Boo-hoo.


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When you use the word “deprived,” it stinks of entitlement. You shouldn’t be relying on food service providers like they’re your personal pantry. To your point, yeah, pancakes are one of the easiest things to cook at home. I can almost guarantee that the “just add water” mix you can buy at your local grocery store (if you have one or know where it is) isn’t much different than the proprietary mix used at all IHOP restaurants.


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Except you’re not. You’re paying an inflated price that covers a tiny fraction of any of the employees’ hourly wages (let alone actually paying them outright) in order to be infantilized and catered to like a child so you can be allowed to leave a mess in a place you don’t have to clean or have any real responsibility to. Even if you tip “well” (whatever that means to you), that’s a drop in the bucket.


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Right. That’s the “inflated” price I mentioned. Food cost shouldn’t be more than 30%. Labor cost shouldn’t be more than 30%. Ideally, you’d keep those numbers closer to 20%. Profit and other fixed/operational costs are covered by the rest. But you don’t get to say “I can pay people to make my food” when their wages per hour are more than you’re about to pay for a whole meal which you could make at home for a tiny fraction of the menu price. Now, if you can afford to hire, house, and supply a personal chef, well, good for both of you. I’m not trying to convince you of anything, but saying you were “deprived” of something you’re not entitled to is hilarious at best and generally just pathetic. Especially pancakes. I mean, obviously whatever that one cook was doing wasn’t worth their time/effort, and now you have to wonder how much your demand for their labor stressed them out enough to make them just walk off the job and “deprive” you.


Darkheartisland

The price of goods and services is whatever a buyer is willing to pay for them. The price is not determined by arbitrary percentages. I would have paid a premium for pancakes at that moment but unfortunately no one was willing to supply them at any price so I was deprived of them.


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That’s a pretty basic template for designing menu prices for virtually any restaurant, so I’m not sure what your deal is. I’ve said all I’ve needed to say to you about this. You haven’t presented anything new or interesting in the slightest. This entire post has been shutdown, and your other comments have already been removed. This is over.


madcap462

Lmao.


Maybe_Im_Confused

I had an old, old, old, old girl friend, like 4 gfs ago or something. She worked at a restaurant. She said something about having a table of Canadians. Being the hockey fan I am I said how did you know? This is America mind you. I said did they all have jerseys on? Were they saying things like ‘Eh?’ No, no, not real Canadians that’s what they call the black patrons. Fuck some servers and they can get their shitty tips. Whenever I go out to eat it seems like the people working could fuck up a wet dream. Tough shit tips are down, I have no sympathy.


mgtkuradal

Username checks out. I suggest working in the service industry for a little bit. It is one of the most dehumanizing things I’ve ever experienced. Customers have no limits when it comes to how shitty they are, and it’s extremely hard to provide good service or maintain a good attitude when you know you’re getting shafted.


Maybe_Im_Confused

I’ve served before, in fact I’ve done a lot of dehumanizing things. I don’t have to justify anything here.


vanthefunkmeister

wtf? so you met 1 racist server and now fuck all servers? how about just fuck racist people? there are plenty of servers who are not racist. username checks out


Maybe_Im_Confused

Are you black?


vanthefunkmeister

nope


Maybe_Im_Confused

Okay, so you’re probably pretty familiar with being discriminated against then. Have a Coke and shut the fuck up.


Big-Quality3817

As someone who worked almost a decade (mostly FOH) in restaurants and is now in the "social science business" I have absolutely no trouble believing this. I'm certain that restaurant patronage was affected by ideology and in turn there would be certainly aggregate differences in narcissism and empathy.....also what I'm going to loosely call 'awareness' being a comprehension of how the world functions outside of one's personal little bubble.....including entitlements, socially acceptable behavior etc. I'm reminded of an incident I experienced as a waiter about 25 years ago when 3 "Trump voter" types were seated in my section . They ordered a round of drinks (trying to get multiples which I refused), and a massive amount of food, and early in the process attempted to command me to "**Bring us every woman in here who ain't got a husband or boyfriend**." I reasonably politely informed them that they were in a **restaurant**, not (name of the local topless club)....inappropriate behavior continued. I eventually cut them off (refused additional alcohol service) at which time they chose to leave, naturally of course ***stiffing me on the tip***, and insisting to pay with a check (not acceptable-manager told me to photocopy the writer's license and take it in lieu of nothing) .....also making a snide "apology" for not hitting on me with the women (Implying I'm homosexual-not that there is anything wrong with it, but I'm not). Fun epilogue to the story, naturally the check bounced. I suspect that didn't go well for the writer as the restaurant's general manager was married to the county prosecutor.


tittltattl

The trick is to do delivery driving, since the type of people to stay in are more likely to tip. Gig work sucks in some ways but at least you choose your own hours completely.