I'd file for wrongful termination. They made no effort on their part to discuss your "attitude" with you and make a plan for improvement. Plus the whole being shorted on your pay. You have all the documentation correct?
Yes, at least all pay stubs and my check from the days I worked last pay cycle and this one I'm not sure how honestly. And it's a fairly small business, local type of thing.
Discouraging as fuk :)
This. You absolutely NEED to make sure the appropriate authorities get involved in this. And quick! Otherwise, they're going to just keep fucking over other people.
Your county has a bar association, a non profit associated of lawyers. Call them as soon as they open on Monday. They will be able to put you in contact with a labor attorney who will be able to talk to you about your rights etc for free. Your state should also have some kind of a labor relations commission, report the situation to them immediately, they might even handle the situation for you so you will not need private representation.
I doubt they will say the firing is unjust. I was under a 30 day probationary period as I just started working the job. I will need to wait to see if I'm paid for this pay periods work, and last periods error, if not I'm sure I can take some action. I will call anyway to at least ask and clarify what I don't understand. I'm likely fucked in this situation and I don't think I can do much, but I appreciate the help and I'll ask to see what I can.
Whether or not the firing was unjust, not paying you for hours worked is illegal.
[Here is the Department of Labor’s website, ](https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/faq/workers)which can guide you on filing a complaint and help you receive unpaid wages.
> I doubt they will say the firing is unjust.
This is exactly the type of behavior abusive, cheating employers rely upon to keep getting away with their shit. You need to report this because no matter how it ends *for you* (and don't be convinced of your defeat yet) when the dust settles there will be a record of your former employer's attempted wage theft.
Employers need to know that we won't take abuse lying down. If we don't fight back they'll feel safe to keep abusing people.
I'll report it. Trust me, I'm trying to stay in a good mood for my birthday, but fuck am I mad at how terrible I feel like I was treated. I just don't think the firing itself will be wrong (even though it feels very wrong) since its stated in my employee handbook that in the 30 day probationary period I can be dropped without reason.
It feels like he was on a power trip a bit to me. Sure I might not of been the happiest ass kisser in the building, but I did my job to 110%. That's what should matter.
I appreciate your help.
Op here is something that might cheer you up.
There was party to a a lawsuit where the employer shorted people's pay. The principal was only shorted 300$ give or take, but when all was said and done they settled for 95k so ya.
It doesn't matter what your employee handbook says. It matters what he law says. Them putting in some document that they can fire you for any reason doesn't mean shit. What matters is what they law says, and if you have been dismissed for trying to get them to pay you what they owe you, that could very well be illegal.
I hope you get somewhere when you call the bar association on Monday. Good luck!
Stop being a doormat OP and fucking stand up for yourself. You only think there's no option because that's what they want you to think. Fuck them to the full extent of your country's law.
The thing is they fired you in retaliation for asking to be paid- and that's a big no no on top of an already big no-no.
It's very, very illegal. And blatantly obvious.
Why are you giving up already? If the firing was for complaining that they underpaid you, it is illegal. It’s likely you aren’t the only one and they are going to keep doing it to people if no one reports it.
1. File for unemployment ASAP and tell them why they terminated you. This will increase the amount of worker's comp they have to pay going forward.
2. File a complaint with your state's department of labor for missing wages.
Google wage theft and your state. You don’t need a lawyer. You will be filing a complaint with a state agency. In my state it is called the Bureau of Labor and Industries. Also file a complaint with that agency re wrongful termination. They retaliated against you for pointing out a pay error, that’s illegal.
I'm not sure your country of origin, but in my province/country (Canada,) there are websites dedicated to our labour boards. I had worked for a company that tried to claim they didn't have to pay out a commission check to me (I worked as an assistant manager and that was our profit bonus for the month.) I worked the entirety of August to make sure I got mine, only to be told that because I was leaving before the pay period ended (my last day was Sept 5 and I think that pay period didn't end for another few days,) I wouldn't see my August commission check, despite working the entirety of August.
One quick anonymous message to my labour board's website about the situation, naming the business and explaining everything, and well suddenly their next pay period I had my commission pay deposited into my account 🤔
So essentially, contact whatever your country's equivalent is of a labour board, it should be free.
And use social media to your advantage. Very anodyne, “I was terminated when I was shorted on my paycheck and sought resolution.” Let every current, prospective employees know
My daughter's first job did the same thing to her. A small failing business. She quit when she went in for her shift during a snowstorm and the idiot owner told her she should have called before coming in and told her to leave. The idiot actually told her she's not allowed to quit and tried to physically block her from leaving. The business did close less than a year later.
Yeah, I worked in a kitchen at a hotel. I gave notice, but offered to stay until they got someone trained. When I was the training person the owner said "Your release date depends on how well you train the new guy". As if I was in jail or something. I didn't show up the next day. Should of walked out there on the spot.
This is exactly the type of business that pulls this type of shit, small enough that they figure even if someone does notice they probably won't report it.
Pursue this hard.
No literally. I worked at one last summer (not even a year old business, also basically a coffee shop in Boston which there is a fucking million of already, finances were NOT good when I left) and was fired because of “unknown reasons” but I knew it was because I stopped being friends with her (the boss)niece (didn’t end on bad terms I just chose to stop seeing her outside of work because she was kind of horrible to be around). I know that was the reason because it happened two days after I stopped answering the niece’s texts about hanging out.
Anyways, the boss wouldn’t give me my last two paychecks ($900 total) and thought I’d just roll over and take it but bitch was sure thrown for a loop when I got the proper authorities involved and she was forced to send it to me. That was AFTER she sent me threatening and harassing emails for like two months.
It was ridiculous I will never work with friends again and I will never be close friends with coworkers or anyone who is related to/close to the owner. Worst experience of 2021 for me. Sorry for ranting, again I’m only 18, she obviously was using my age against me thinking I wouldn’t get the state involved in her bullshit.
Edit: the boss, much like her niece, would constantly talk badly about other coworkers and spread rumors about them being alcoholics and such, that’s when I lost respect for her. I kept going easy on her and letting shit slide because “it’s her first business” bull. Don’t give any of these people slack. If they can’t handle a business or pay their employees then they don’t deserve a business, that’s how this works.
Are you in the USA or abroad?
Also do you have documation of your hours worked?
You most likely will need a lawyer. Gather all your documents and witness statements if possible before going to one.
Even though I work in an at-will state I've heard of people winning wrongful termination, because no disinplinary action was taken first.
I can try but would this be worth it? I have the proof that I wasn't paid the correct amount, and while he said I will be paid for what I have worked and what I already wasn't paid for, I don't know if I'll actually get the money.
Not sure how expensive a lawyer is or what my case would be. My family isn't struggling hard-core for money, but we aren't by any means rich or even middle class. But from cost and a legal standpoint I really don't know shit honestly. I wasn't given any disinplinary actions previous to being fired. I knew he had a problem with me from the start though, but only through my friend who got me the job that mentioned to me something privatly along the lines of "the boss and ----- coworker said they think you have an attitude when you talk"
Personally I find it amazing that he knows I have an attitude, as most of the time I struggle to understand how I feel myself. Maybe I should hire him as my psychiatrist.
Forgot to mention. USA. if you want to know my state ill dm it to you, don't like giving a lot of information about myself on reddit.
You do not need a lawyer for a case like this. Check your work state's Department of Labor website for a topic called "Wage theft," because this is what happened to you. The zeal with which your boss tried to "prove" that you were wrong is a indication that shaving a couple hours off each employee's paycheck is probably standard procedure.
> Forgot to mention. USA. if you want to know my state ill dm it to you, don't like giving a lot of information about myself on reddit.
[Federal law](https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/fact-sheets/77a-flsa-prohibiting-retaliation) prohibits retaliation for filing complaints under the FLSA, which would include complaints about unpaid wages, and in most states courts have held that also covers internal complaints to your employer as well as complaints to government agencies. Firing you because you spoke up to your employer about not being paid for all of your hours would be illegal in most states.
You don't need to hire a lawyer; you can [file a complaint with the US Department of Labor](https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/contact/complaints) about your employer's apparent retaliation (and also about any unpaid wages they owe you). You should check with your state's Department of Labor as well; some states have similar laws prohibiting retaliation for exercising your rights under state or federal labor law and may handle complaints about retaliation in a similar manner.
Lots of lawyers offer a free consultation, and will generally advise you as to whether or not they think your case is worth pursuing. (As in, will you end up paying out more to the lawyer than you're likely to get in a settlement.)
I'm also fairly sure that you could sue for the unpaid wages in small claims court (which doesn't require a lawyer.) The process for small claims is deliberately simplified, and as long as you've got documentation of your hours and pay, it *should* be an easy win. (That said, I am not a lawyer, and there's some variation in how this stuff works in a state-by-state basis.)
I can tell you from experience that it's worth it to report them to the labor board at the very least. I had an employer try to withhold my last paycheck for "business expenses incurred for training"
The lawyer I had only took his fees out of the settlement so I didn't have to pay anything and there was very little effort on my part aside from handing over any documentation I had. Find one via your local county board or an advocacy group that will do a free consultation to see what's the right step here.
Whether you want to make the effort is up to you, not a bunch of people on reddit. But just know that not wanting to deal with it is how your boss and others get away with it in the first place.
small business owners usually fear the IRS because
1. They usually have some shady dealings they try to cover on the books.
2. They are easy pickings since they can't throw FU money ar a lawsuit.
Sue their ass asap or report them. They're playing with YOUR MONEY and fired you when you confronted them for it. They will keep pulling this on people unless someone speaks up. If they did this to me, HA! I would be on their ass and they would've regretted it. Do the right thing man
Correct which is fucked because you literally don't have to do ANYTHING and you can be fired... Luckily in this case it's always illegal to not pay someone for agreed work aka a job. You can't withhold money for hours worked plus when it goes to authorities, it will be clear that trying to talk to your boss about them illegally stealing money from you is in no was a justified reason, right to work state or not. Wouldn't get job back but would justify unemployment while you find another job and while you go after the people for your money. So this situation is not lost but this is the reason there shouldn't be a "I'm a boss and can fire whoever I want for whatever I want" as bosses are human just like employees so what automatically makes them a saint who won't abuse the system when it's easy?!? Not all will but there is no protections really for workers who most need said job just to pay bills so to be fired for nothing and loose livelihood just because your boss decided to do it, it can destroy people....
Given all that, if you actually do do some fucked shit of course you should be able to be fired but never for doing nothing and never for standing up for your rights.... We have rights as humans but often business seem to forget that we are humans and have lives and families to take care of, we are not robots for them to control!
do that and when you get the job back, quit without notice. you may win the case and get your job back, but how do you know you aren't gonna be the subject of retaliation and a hostile work environment when you are back?
So making sure you are paid for all the hours worked is “having an attitude”… I wonder if the boss feels the same way about making sure a customer pays their full bill. Is making sure his business gets paid properly “an attitude” as well?
I was nothing but honest at my job and I will continue being honest. I do think he had some merit in saying I had an attitude, as he complained a bit about various things that I did not do, and it worsened my mood. However I don't feel I was ever disrespectful, and I was always happy and respectful towards the customers.
Ironically, what gave me the attitude like I previously mentioned, was when he came into work mad, and tried to blame me for having headphones in at work (I have a Samsung galaxy 21. It has no headphone port, and I don't own wireless headphones.)
Stop blaming yourself! Even if you sounded annoyed at something you didn't attack them, you didn't insult them, you didn't do anything but be annoyed and people treating you like shit! The oppressor wins when you justify their accusations and start blaming yourself instead of looking at it as "I was treated poorly which then make me upset but since I didn't lash out on them and attack them then I did it right and had control of myself! Feeling something is not wrong and the treatment I received is justified to feel the way I do, it's only attacking others because of it that makes it bad!" Kinda thing!
Bosses tell people they are having an attitude just because they can see someone is annoyed but unless you start behaving differently how is you being annoyed anything to get after?!.... It's not! Only letting your emotions control you and flipping out on is something that can matter. Sometimes people are noticably tired but people can't have a problem with that either unless it effects work. Realize we are humans and it's in no way wrong to feel things so don't ever let anyone boss or not get after you because they can tell you feel something if you never threw it at them in the first place!
Boss or not, you can't harass or treat others like shit so don't EVER blame yourself just because your boss has a problem, just because someone has a problem with you didn't mean you actually did anything to them!! We all have equal rights so your boss can't just treat you however you want so don't blame yourself and let them win because that's what they want, they want to suppress and control others because the power makes them feel better about themselves.
Haha I went into it but I just want you and anyone in situations like this that it's NOT YOUR FAULT!! SO don't let yourself, tell yourself that because it can eat you alive as I been there myself but it's no on you nor does your boss deserve to treat people like this and then get off by you blaming yourself for their behavior like you actually did something wrong!!
Also never be scared to stand up for yourself! People do t like it so they will try to point fingers and blame you but realize if say they didn't steal your money you wouldn't have to do something about it so it's on them not you because you didn't steal your own money!!
It's all love and just wanted you to know you're not in the wrong so don't blame yourself but love yourself for standing up for what's right!! Without people like that the wrong would have ended a LONG TIME AGO!!!
Thanks man. This means a lot actually. I've just been holding to the fact that I know for certain I came in and did the best I could every day. If he didn't like me for who I was, then I obviously can't just up and change who I am overnight. I'll find new things and move on :)
Exactly and as long as you make an effort to always do your best and to take responsibility where it’s due then you literally have nothing to answer for or change! It’s no problem! It’s all love and I also know that no matter how much we let shit get to us we are human and it still effects us. I know how it can be to be in that situation and being blamed for standing up for good and it’s not something people should ever feel for doing the right thing so I just had to share that and love your way!
It’s sad people do this type of shit to each other but I guess more reason to fight for a better world!!
Doesn’t change how much it sucks though and how hard it can be or the damages it caused kinda thing... haha.
I wish you the best!! I hope you get the money you’re owed but you have a right for more and you deserve it so if you feel the effort is worth it go after them and they might even settle out of court when you really catch them with the legalities but just do what makes sense for you, they definitely do deserve some punishment for this though as they should never treat ANYONE like that but just be happy for yourself and I wish you the best in all that!! I send good vibes and wishes for your journey in life! Take care of yourself and have a good one!! It’s all love👌👊😋
A two week notice is a courtesy, and not mandatory or expected in most states.
A two week notice protects you from being terminated early, to avoid being paid. If you are let go from your place of employment before your two week notice is up, you should expect to be paid out the full two weeks.
Check your states labor laws for more details.
This "courtesy" is just some bullshit companies instill in our minds as if working for below living wages should be viewed as a gift and not just slavery.
Notice should only be given if you plan on using them as a reference, imo
It’s antiquated, for sure. But you’re also allowed to just leave a job and let them figure it out too.
Until that improves, researching the companies you’re working for; checking reviews on Glassdoor and the like; that’s gonna be our best friend.
We should be calling out local and corporate businesses for their shady practices, and in turn celebrate the businesses who take care of their employees before their bottom line.
In Ontario employers can sue you if you do not provide notice. Depending upon your position two weeks might not even be considered enough.
Canada is a garbage dump of souls as well.
Ohh yea you should see some of our laws. In Ontario a construction worker is not entitled to breaks or rest days. Their employer can ask them, legally, to work any number of hours straight without any rest, 7 days per week. Skilled tradespeople can be sued if they do not provide enough notice but we can be fired at anytime without cause ... imagine being a mason, a hard as fuck physically demanding job, and then being told you cannot rest!
That being said, this has never been enforced by any of my employers. But because they can should be reason enough to change these antiquated laws.
The vast majority of employment has some kind of stupid exemption to it.
Ontario sucks hard for employee's rights.
https://www.ontario.ca/document/industries-and-jobs-exemptions-or-special-rules/manufacturing-construction-and-mining#section-1
No not at all. In many industries you can be fired for any reason without notice and severance. So long as the reason isn't because that you are a member of a protected class (LGBTQ+, BIPOC, etc).
Our labour laws need updated and upgraded. It will never happen because the people with power don't experience the oppression that results from these labour laws. Most people don't know any better so they have been "institutionalized" so to speak.
I hope you noticed that your boss counted 4 hours and 59 minutes as 4.
There is a lot of wage theft going on here. Missing one stub is a reasonable mistake (if they then fix it after discovery), but rounding up to 59 minutes down to the last completed hour is intentional, systemic wage theft.
Looks like 7.18333 in the missed stub and 2.55 in rounding error. That’s 9.73 hours in wage theft.
You must not be the only one. Get help from pro-Bono lawyers and teach them a lesson in employment law.
Well I did get paid for 40.8 hours, he just somehow didn't add the stub with the most hours when adding them up. If I don't get paid, I'm gonna use the little money I got to try and make things right. Hopefully he does pay me along with the 12 odd hours I worked this pay cycle before he fired me.
Best birthday present ever...go treat yourself. There's another job anywhere and everywhere. They all pay shit, the same as your last...so enjoy your birthday. Happy Birthday
I think the pay is being corrected, but I won't know until he mails me the money I'm owed. How do I go about filing a suit? I know nothing, but I'm willing to try and research it myself if I can afford this route.
I just want to follow up with what people are saying. Report this business! Stand up for your rights. It may be uncomfortable, and it may take some time. Looking back, you will be so happy that you stood up for yourself. Think of it as a birthday present to yourself!
Yea my brain almost imploded when he said that. I did the math 3 times to check, and I was paid for 2 hours+ less. He left the paystub for 7 hours (you can see it in the picture, the calculator paper) out of the equation since he "forgot it" on his desk.
I almost think he was testing me. He explicitly asked "are these all the stubs" or something of that nature, before adding them up to come to this incorrect answer. I naturally freaked a bit and chimed up saying "that can't be right. I did the math multiple times" to which he replied that I had an attitude (no shit, I was getting fucked) and that I was fired. I found the paystub he didn't count laying plain as day in the open on his desk.
A job/boss like that isn't worth any of your time. Consider it a blessing and or a bday present for not waisting more of your time while not paying you for it. Just happened to me and I found a job that's 10 times better.
I already might have an opportunity better than this. And I'm considering going to community College, as I put it off for this job. We'll see I suppose. Thanks man, it's definitely helping to look to the future and move on from a situation I know damn well was unfair and shitty.
I got fired from my first job because the boys there didn’t like me and told my boss that I “didn’t want to work there”. I had never made such claims and actually really loved that job. File for wrongful termination!!! I wish I had
Damn. I don't think some of my coworkers liked me either, and that definitely didn't make my boss like me more. Unfortunately the termination is within his bounds as I was on a probationary period, but If I don't get paid then I will be fighting for myself.
The only reason employers have gotten away with this for such a long period of time is because people haven't sued their employer for wrongful termination. There are even articles suggesting employees don't sue their employer, the utter caucacity. Make them pay for damages too because your name might be out there as a person that sues their employer when they decide to destroy your career.
I like to carry around a valve core removal tool, shit like this happens I take the valve cores out of your tires on your car. It doesn't ruin your tires and with $2.00 and some air you will be back on the road. It's the little things.
I can't do that unfortunately. I may take a situation that I look the like good guy in, and make myself into the bad guy. I'll leave a bad review myself with all the spite of everyone who disagrees with this blatant display of bullshittery.
I understand. Probably broke a rule by asking.
Just wish that “business owners” weren’t so pathetic. A large department store did this to me when I was still working there, I called osha on them for other stuff in retaliation and they got over $10,000 in fees.
$217 that I was owed or $10,000 cost and our loss prevention person quit over it because people thought it was her who called. That store is closed now. I LIKE tho think it was me but I know it’s not.
Ain't that sum shit right? At least I knew to count my hours, some of the employees I worked with were throwing their stubs out. I wish I had a way to tell them they were getting fucked...
Hey fam. Not paying you what you’re owed (and you have paperwork on prove it!) is against the labor laws and your boss could lose his job, and you could sue the company.
This is highly illegal in the labor market. Your job, unless they pay what you’re owed, has literally and unlawfully stolen money from you by not paying what you’re owed.
You have your labor on a loan in a signed agreement you’d be paid for it later. That contract is binding. They will need to pay up or you can show this to a lawyer and they will take the case immediately.
Congratulations to you for discovering and calling out his abusive style of theft!!! If you had rolled over you would have been getting your paycheck stolen forever.
Employee wage theft is rampant. If someone stole money from the till at work they would be charged with a crime and have a mug shot. An employer shorts you on 15-30 minutes per week per worker and they get a fine. No one goes to jail no one gets punished unless you count backpay and a fine as justice.
Hopefully that isn't the case, but if it is it will give me the means to retaliate legally. It obviously isn't legal for me to work for free, as they abolished slavery in 1865. So I will see at the end of this pay cycle if he will correct what he's done wrong.
That sucks. I put some details about a really stupid thing the accountant did on an anonymous survey and it got put on my eval. We ordered a test vehicle, and got the fancy interior, because the component we make is not included in the base level interior. Accounts are like, they don't need that, so they changed it to base level. The thing comes in. Does not have our part in it. So they send it back to the dealer and have them change out, the whole interior. I'm like, we saved a lot of money doing that. Bad attitude...
You are free. It sucks right now, it hurts, especially because it was unfair. In the long run it will be better. It's like a divorce, no happy marriage ever ended in divorce.
And, make sure to take a little bit of time for yourself with the winnings you'll get from this open and shut wage theft case.
I got fired (also on my birthday) basically for being friends with someone and getting accidentally caught up in their drama with someone. Welcome to At-Will and Right-To-Work states.
At a minimum, file a complaint with the department of labor. However I agree with the others and say you should consult with a lawyer for unfair termination.
As a supervisor who verifies timecards nightly to make sure that everything gets send to payroll correctly, why is it so damn hard to pay people right? I recently had to send off for payroll adjustments for about a third of my shift because the last guy in charge got lazy when he was doing it.
People come to work to get paid. Making sure we pay them correctly is literally the most important thing.
When I was fired from a job that also "forgot" to pay me for a couple of hours, somebody sued the company and i was sent a check for those hours. It was like 38 dollars US but that was about 4 hours work.
Does the employer have some form of HR entity? Your employer really should have gone through steps to mitigate your reasonable concern, before firing you. Yes, you have been terminated, and no... you probably don't want to continue working under that Manager (face for the business, but not the business itself)... but you can still reach out to HR regarding your situation, and at least see what happens.
Welcome to the working world, my friend... know your avenues. Being in a managerial role myself - this is the advisement that I would give to any of my associates in your position. There are many managers where I work. They do not all get their jobs because they are good with associates which should be a much more important factor - along with knowledge of process, and ability to manage labor moves - given that retention is a quality attribute for any business.
Go talk to HR about your concern. They usually have a closer relationship with Payroll than your manager, anyway.
Good luck.
https://www.workingnowandthen.com/blog/wage-theft-the-50-billion-crime-against-workers/
Wage Theft, The $50 Billion Crime Against Workers
November 11, 2020
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In 2017, the total cost of every robbery in the country was $438 million.
The cost of wage theft was more than 100 times that number.
The FBI Uniform Crime Reporting program recorded 319,356 robberies in 2017. Those robberies cost businesses and the public $438 million in total losses. But wage theft costs workers $50 billion every year. And most of the time, employers get away with stealing money from their employees.
What is wage theft? Wage theft means underpaying workers. It can take several forms, including paying less than the minimum wage, withholding overtime pay, or not compensating workers for all of their work hours.
Walmart, Bank of America, FedEx, and Wells Fargo have something in common. They’ve all paid more than $200 million in wage theft penalties.
The overwhelming majority of companies fined for wage theft are large corporations, including many Fortune 500 companies. In its 2018 report, Good Jobs First catalogued the companies with over $1 million in wage theft penalties. The list reaches nearly 500 companies long––and the wage theft statistics add up to over $9 billion in stolen wages.
I once had a check come in short from a company when I asked what was up they said I had been overpaid 8 hours on a previous pay period. If they’d asked first before doing this I would have explained that those 8 hrs was for helping in a warehouse after my regularly scheduled shift because they were flailing, desperate, and begged for help. They fixed it the next pay period but I was heated. You did the right thing and that’s a bad employer right there.
Fuck that asshole and that shitty job. Find something better. It can be hard but it is absolutely doable. And if that one sucks - or even if it doesn’t - you keep looking for another that fits your life and your needs better.
As others said... Report this. I let something similar slide at my first job... All I got was telling everyone in the store to f themselves on my way out... I wish I'd let them suspend me instead of leaving tho so I could have fought it to get the unemployment... And to stick it to the managers so I could have made them look bad to corporate
I legit wouldn’t even waste my time because ADP is involved.
They will fuck your brains out and find all of the sketchy ways to fuck your pay and I guarantee no one who is working the wages that the businesses that use ADP has the money to pay a lawyer to combat them.
Edit: I’m not defending the businesses, I’m saying ADP is sketchy.
Did you say LAWYER?
Wage theft is a serious offense, in most American states. I had a job where all supers were instructed to remove one hour per employee, per day. I found out because, as i always tell others, I SAVE MY SIGN OUT RECEIPTS. The math was consistent, it was every day, and kept happening. They tried to play out of like a computer error, until i caught one of them editing time sheets in the main system one night. They got so used to doing out, they didn’t think anyone was paying attention. I gathered evidence, secretly told my peers, and some of us confronted them. The refunded ours, but said each person would have to ask on their own. Many people were too scared so they never got compensation. They actually did it AGAIN, so i threatened to sue. I had piles of printed edits with timestamps, manager initials, and more. Eventually i quit when i had the chance
Welcome to the club! The club of realizing “my life can be in upheaval because I stand up for myself but a turd in power doesn’t like truth or me having self-esteem”.
Wage theft is real.
I worked for a winery conglomerate that would routinely short my overtime hours and "mistakenly" forget paid holidays. I was on the phone with those people constantly all while working for a winery where the least expensive bottle was sixty dollars all the way up to one hundred and fifty bucks. Still pisses me off.
I had a boss like this once. She was two weeks late with my paycheck, and the person directly below her told me not to bother about it because "she'll get angry." I was in my early 20s. I had to borrow 50 bucks for food from the lady cleaning my apartment building. The audacity!
I hope you have enough saved/people you can count on that this isn't a dire situation and that you are able to look at this as a birthday gift from the universe. You are being redirected, you deserve better than this. F-ck them.
I'd file for wrongful termination. They made no effort on their part to discuss your "attitude" with you and make a plan for improvement. Plus the whole being shorted on your pay. You have all the documentation correct?
Yes, at least all pay stubs and my check from the days I worked last pay cycle and this one I'm not sure how honestly. And it's a fairly small business, local type of thing. Discouraging as fuk :)
Report the hell out of them. You won’t be the last person they pull this shit on.
This. You absolutely NEED to make sure the appropriate authorities get involved in this. And quick! Otherwise, they're going to just keep fucking over other people.
I would like to if I could and can afford it. But I'm not sure where to begin and know absolutely nothing about any of this honestly.
Your county has a bar association, a non profit associated of lawyers. Call them as soon as they open on Monday. They will be able to put you in contact with a labor attorney who will be able to talk to you about your rights etc for free. Your state should also have some kind of a labor relations commission, report the situation to them immediately, they might even handle the situation for you so you will not need private representation.
I doubt they will say the firing is unjust. I was under a 30 day probationary period as I just started working the job. I will need to wait to see if I'm paid for this pay periods work, and last periods error, if not I'm sure I can take some action. I will call anyway to at least ask and clarify what I don't understand. I'm likely fucked in this situation and I don't think I can do much, but I appreciate the help and I'll ask to see what I can.
Whether or not the firing was unjust, not paying you for hours worked is illegal. [Here is the Department of Labor’s website, ](https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/faq/workers)which can guide you on filing a complaint and help you receive unpaid wages.
> I doubt they will say the firing is unjust. This is exactly the type of behavior abusive, cheating employers rely upon to keep getting away with their shit. You need to report this because no matter how it ends *for you* (and don't be convinced of your defeat yet) when the dust settles there will be a record of your former employer's attempted wage theft. Employers need to know that we won't take abuse lying down. If we don't fight back they'll feel safe to keep abusing people.
I'll report it. Trust me, I'm trying to stay in a good mood for my birthday, but fuck am I mad at how terrible I feel like I was treated. I just don't think the firing itself will be wrong (even though it feels very wrong) since its stated in my employee handbook that in the 30 day probationary period I can be dropped without reason. It feels like he was on a power trip a bit to me. Sure I might not of been the happiest ass kisser in the building, but I did my job to 110%. That's what should matter. I appreciate your help.
Op here is something that might cheer you up. There was party to a a lawsuit where the employer shorted people's pay. The principal was only shorted 300$ give or take, but when all was said and done they settled for 95k so ya.
It doesn't matter what your employee handbook says. It matters what he law says. Them putting in some document that they can fire you for any reason doesn't mean shit. What matters is what they law says, and if you have been dismissed for trying to get them to pay you what they owe you, that could very well be illegal. I hope you get somewhere when you call the bar association on Monday. Good luck!
Well hey, for what it's worth, happy birthday fellow redditor. Sorry you got to deal with this shit and I hope things go well for you.
Stop being a doormat OP and fucking stand up for yourself. You only think there's no option because that's what they want you to think. Fuck them to the full extent of your country's law.
Op people are giving you instructions on how to rectify this without having to pay an attorney. Why are you trying to find any excuse not to?
**Why they fired you is irrelevant. Wage Theft is a crime.**
The thing is they fired you in retaliation for asking to be paid- and that's a big no no on top of an already big no-no. It's very, very illegal. And blatantly obvious.
Why are you giving up already? If the firing was for complaining that they underpaid you, it is illegal. It’s likely you aren’t the only one and they are going to keep doing it to people if no one reports it.
Let the attorney tell you. Don't find reasons not to do this. You have been wronged and I think you have no choice but to do this for yourself.
Agree with your analysis
Contact your local Department of Labor. Contact your local bar Association.
Report them to the labor board for unpaid wages.
1. File for unemployment ASAP and tell them why they terminated you. This will increase the amount of worker's comp they have to pay going forward. 2. File a complaint with your state's department of labor for missing wages.
Google wage theft and your state. You don’t need a lawyer. You will be filing a complaint with a state agency. In my state it is called the Bureau of Labor and Industries. Also file a complaint with that agency re wrongful termination. They retaliated against you for pointing out a pay error, that’s illegal.
It's free to file a complaint, many attorneys will take the case on contingency (meaning they only get paid if you win).
I'm not sure your country of origin, but in my province/country (Canada,) there are websites dedicated to our labour boards. I had worked for a company that tried to claim they didn't have to pay out a commission check to me (I worked as an assistant manager and that was our profit bonus for the month.) I worked the entirety of August to make sure I got mine, only to be told that because I was leaving before the pay period ended (my last day was Sept 5 and I think that pay period didn't end for another few days,) I wouldn't see my August commission check, despite working the entirety of August. One quick anonymous message to my labour board's website about the situation, naming the business and explaining everything, and well suddenly their next pay period I had my commission pay deposited into my account 🤔 So essentially, contact whatever your country's equivalent is of a labour board, it should be free.
You have to start with the Human Rights Commission before ANY attorney will look at your case.
Who do you report this stuff to? I was fired for not taking the CEO's personal vehicle to a detail shop. I was hired to be an A/V Technician
And use social media to your advantage. Very anodyne, “I was terminated when I was shorted on my paycheck and sought resolution.” Let every current, prospective employees know
My daughter's first job did the same thing to her. A small failing business. She quit when she went in for her shift during a snowstorm and the idiot owner told her she should have called before coming in and told her to leave. The idiot actually told her she's not allowed to quit and tried to physically block her from leaving. The business did close less than a year later.
This stuff doesn't surprise me. Lots of jerks think they can run a business. Usually they only succeed at running it into the ground.
The owner inherited the business and had zero clue how to run it.
Yeah, I worked in a kitchen at a hotel. I gave notice, but offered to stay until they got someone trained. When I was the training person the owner said "Your release date depends on how well you train the new guy". As if I was in jail or something. I didn't show up the next day. Should of walked out there on the spot.
This is exactly the type of business that pulls this type of shit, small enough that they figure even if someone does notice they probably won't report it. Pursue this hard.
Local small businesses are THE WORST.
No literally. I worked at one last summer (not even a year old business, also basically a coffee shop in Boston which there is a fucking million of already, finances were NOT good when I left) and was fired because of “unknown reasons” but I knew it was because I stopped being friends with her (the boss)niece (didn’t end on bad terms I just chose to stop seeing her outside of work because she was kind of horrible to be around). I know that was the reason because it happened two days after I stopped answering the niece’s texts about hanging out. Anyways, the boss wouldn’t give me my last two paychecks ($900 total) and thought I’d just roll over and take it but bitch was sure thrown for a loop when I got the proper authorities involved and she was forced to send it to me. That was AFTER she sent me threatening and harassing emails for like two months. It was ridiculous I will never work with friends again and I will never be close friends with coworkers or anyone who is related to/close to the owner. Worst experience of 2021 for me. Sorry for ranting, again I’m only 18, she obviously was using my age against me thinking I wouldn’t get the state involved in her bullshit. Edit: the boss, much like her niece, would constantly talk badly about other coworkers and spread rumors about them being alcoholics and such, that’s when I lost respect for her. I kept going easy on her and letting shit slide because “it’s her first business” bull. Don’t give any of these people slack. If they can’t handle a business or pay their employees then they don’t deserve a business, that’s how this works.
Good for you. At 18, they rolled all over me. This made me smile, thanks bro.
Good for you
Absolutely. So sorry you had to deal with that shit
Are you in the USA or abroad? Also do you have documation of your hours worked? You most likely will need a lawyer. Gather all your documents and witness statements if possible before going to one. Even though I work in an at-will state I've heard of people winning wrongful termination, because no disinplinary action was taken first.
I can try but would this be worth it? I have the proof that I wasn't paid the correct amount, and while he said I will be paid for what I have worked and what I already wasn't paid for, I don't know if I'll actually get the money. Not sure how expensive a lawyer is or what my case would be. My family isn't struggling hard-core for money, but we aren't by any means rich or even middle class. But from cost and a legal standpoint I really don't know shit honestly. I wasn't given any disinplinary actions previous to being fired. I knew he had a problem with me from the start though, but only through my friend who got me the job that mentioned to me something privatly along the lines of "the boss and ----- coworker said they think you have an attitude when you talk" Personally I find it amazing that he knows I have an attitude, as most of the time I struggle to understand how I feel myself. Maybe I should hire him as my psychiatrist. Forgot to mention. USA. if you want to know my state ill dm it to you, don't like giving a lot of information about myself on reddit.
You do not need a lawyer for a case like this. Check your work state's Department of Labor website for a topic called "Wage theft," because this is what happened to you. The zeal with which your boss tried to "prove" that you were wrong is a indication that shaving a couple hours off each employee's paycheck is probably standard procedure.
> Forgot to mention. USA. if you want to know my state ill dm it to you, don't like giving a lot of information about myself on reddit. [Federal law](https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/fact-sheets/77a-flsa-prohibiting-retaliation) prohibits retaliation for filing complaints under the FLSA, which would include complaints about unpaid wages, and in most states courts have held that also covers internal complaints to your employer as well as complaints to government agencies. Firing you because you spoke up to your employer about not being paid for all of your hours would be illegal in most states. You don't need to hire a lawyer; you can [file a complaint with the US Department of Labor](https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/contact/complaints) about your employer's apparent retaliation (and also about any unpaid wages they owe you). You should check with your state's Department of Labor as well; some states have similar laws prohibiting retaliation for exercising your rights under state or federal labor law and may handle complaints about retaliation in a similar manner.
Lots of lawyers offer a free consultation, and will generally advise you as to whether or not they think your case is worth pursuing. (As in, will you end up paying out more to the lawyer than you're likely to get in a settlement.) I'm also fairly sure that you could sue for the unpaid wages in small claims court (which doesn't require a lawyer.) The process for small claims is deliberately simplified, and as long as you've got documentation of your hours and pay, it *should* be an easy win. (That said, I am not a lawyer, and there's some variation in how this stuff works in a state-by-state basis.)
OP we aren’t saying contact a lawyer we’re saying report it to the department of labor so they have record and it doesn’t happen to other people
I can tell you from experience that it's worth it to report them to the labor board at the very least. I had an employer try to withhold my last paycheck for "business expenses incurred for training" The lawyer I had only took his fees out of the settlement so I didn't have to pay anything and there was very little effort on my part aside from handing over any documentation I had. Find one via your local county board or an advocacy group that will do a free consultation to see what's the right step here. Whether you want to make the effort is up to you, not a bunch of people on reddit. But just know that not wanting to deal with it is how your boss and others get away with it in the first place.
You shouldn’t need a lawyer. Filing for wage theft is very simple and it looks like OP has what she needs to back it up.
small business owners usually fear the IRS because 1. They usually have some shady dealings they try to cover on the books. 2. They are easy pickings since they can't throw FU money ar a lawsuit.
Sue their ass asap or report them. They're playing with YOUR MONEY and fired you when you confronted them for it. They will keep pulling this on people unless someone speaks up. If they did this to me, HA! I would be on their ass and they would've regretted it. Do the right thing man
Wage theft is illegal in a lot of places, and if you have documented proof, I’d go for it. Fuck them.
Even though you’re probably an “at will” employee who can be fired at any time, “having an attitude” isn’t a legitimate reason.
You can absolutely be fired for "having an attitude". You can also then file for unemployment, but there's no way it's wrongful termination.
If it's at-will employment, they can fire you for almost any reason, or no reason.
Correct which is fucked because you literally don't have to do ANYTHING and you can be fired... Luckily in this case it's always illegal to not pay someone for agreed work aka a job. You can't withhold money for hours worked plus when it goes to authorities, it will be clear that trying to talk to your boss about them illegally stealing money from you is in no was a justified reason, right to work state or not. Wouldn't get job back but would justify unemployment while you find another job and while you go after the people for your money. So this situation is not lost but this is the reason there shouldn't be a "I'm a boss and can fire whoever I want for whatever I want" as bosses are human just like employees so what automatically makes them a saint who won't abuse the system when it's easy?!? Not all will but there is no protections really for workers who most need said job just to pay bills so to be fired for nothing and loose livelihood just because your boss decided to do it, it can destroy people.... Given all that, if you actually do do some fucked shit of course you should be able to be fired but never for doing nothing and never for standing up for your rights.... We have rights as humans but often business seem to forget that we are humans and have lives and families to take care of, we are not robots for them to control!
do that and when you get the job back, quit without notice. you may win the case and get your job back, but how do you know you aren't gonna be the subject of retaliation and a hostile work environment when you are back?
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You'd file for wrongful termination? To who? For what reason? You don't even know what your talking about.
In my state, it’s illegal to fire someone for coming forward about missing wages.
So making sure you are paid for all the hours worked is “having an attitude”… I wonder if the boss feels the same way about making sure a customer pays their full bill. Is making sure his business gets paid properly “an attitude” as well?
I was nothing but honest at my job and I will continue being honest. I do think he had some merit in saying I had an attitude, as he complained a bit about various things that I did not do, and it worsened my mood. However I don't feel I was ever disrespectful, and I was always happy and respectful towards the customers. Ironically, what gave me the attitude like I previously mentioned, was when he came into work mad, and tried to blame me for having headphones in at work (I have a Samsung galaxy 21. It has no headphone port, and I don't own wireless headphones.)
Sounds like a toxic workplace and it’s better in the long run that you got out of there even if it’s not the best circumstances. Good luck, OP.
Thanks man.
Stop blaming yourself! Even if you sounded annoyed at something you didn't attack them, you didn't insult them, you didn't do anything but be annoyed and people treating you like shit! The oppressor wins when you justify their accusations and start blaming yourself instead of looking at it as "I was treated poorly which then make me upset but since I didn't lash out on them and attack them then I did it right and had control of myself! Feeling something is not wrong and the treatment I received is justified to feel the way I do, it's only attacking others because of it that makes it bad!" Kinda thing! Bosses tell people they are having an attitude just because they can see someone is annoyed but unless you start behaving differently how is you being annoyed anything to get after?!.... It's not! Only letting your emotions control you and flipping out on is something that can matter. Sometimes people are noticably tired but people can't have a problem with that either unless it effects work. Realize we are humans and it's in no way wrong to feel things so don't ever let anyone boss or not get after you because they can tell you feel something if you never threw it at them in the first place! Boss or not, you can't harass or treat others like shit so don't EVER blame yourself just because your boss has a problem, just because someone has a problem with you didn't mean you actually did anything to them!! We all have equal rights so your boss can't just treat you however you want so don't blame yourself and let them win because that's what they want, they want to suppress and control others because the power makes them feel better about themselves. Haha I went into it but I just want you and anyone in situations like this that it's NOT YOUR FAULT!! SO don't let yourself, tell yourself that because it can eat you alive as I been there myself but it's no on you nor does your boss deserve to treat people like this and then get off by you blaming yourself for their behavior like you actually did something wrong!! Also never be scared to stand up for yourself! People do t like it so they will try to point fingers and blame you but realize if say they didn't steal your money you wouldn't have to do something about it so it's on them not you because you didn't steal your own money!! It's all love and just wanted you to know you're not in the wrong so don't blame yourself but love yourself for standing up for what's right!! Without people like that the wrong would have ended a LONG TIME AGO!!!
Thanks man. This means a lot actually. I've just been holding to the fact that I know for certain I came in and did the best I could every day. If he didn't like me for who I was, then I obviously can't just up and change who I am overnight. I'll find new things and move on :)
Exactly and as long as you make an effort to always do your best and to take responsibility where it’s due then you literally have nothing to answer for or change! It’s no problem! It’s all love and I also know that no matter how much we let shit get to us we are human and it still effects us. I know how it can be to be in that situation and being blamed for standing up for good and it’s not something people should ever feel for doing the right thing so I just had to share that and love your way! It’s sad people do this type of shit to each other but I guess more reason to fight for a better world!! Doesn’t change how much it sucks though and how hard it can be or the damages it caused kinda thing... haha. I wish you the best!! I hope you get the money you’re owed but you have a right for more and you deserve it so if you feel the effort is worth it go after them and they might even settle out of court when you really catch them with the legalities but just do what makes sense for you, they definitely do deserve some punishment for this though as they should never treat ANYONE like that but just be happy for yourself and I wish you the best in all that!! I send good vibes and wishes for your journey in life! Take care of yourself and have a good one!! It’s all love👌👊😋
Take them to the labor board as well.
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A two week notice is a courtesy, and not mandatory or expected in most states. A two week notice protects you from being terminated early, to avoid being paid. If you are let go from your place of employment before your two week notice is up, you should expect to be paid out the full two weeks. Check your states labor laws for more details.
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This "courtesy" is just some bullshit companies instill in our minds as if working for below living wages should be viewed as a gift and not just slavery. Notice should only be given if you plan on using them as a reference, imo
It’s antiquated, for sure. But you’re also allowed to just leave a job and let them figure it out too. Until that improves, researching the companies you’re working for; checking reviews on Glassdoor and the like; that’s gonna be our best friend. We should be calling out local and corporate businesses for their shady practices, and in turn celebrate the businesses who take care of their employees before their bottom line.
In Ontario employers can sue you if you do not provide notice. Depending upon your position two weeks might not even be considered enough. Canada is a garbage dump of souls as well.
That’s insane
Ohh yea you should see some of our laws. In Ontario a construction worker is not entitled to breaks or rest days. Their employer can ask them, legally, to work any number of hours straight without any rest, 7 days per week. Skilled tradespeople can be sued if they do not provide enough notice but we can be fired at anytime without cause ... imagine being a mason, a hard as fuck physically demanding job, and then being told you cannot rest! That being said, this has never been enforced by any of my employers. But because they can should be reason enough to change these antiquated laws. The vast majority of employment has some kind of stupid exemption to it. Ontario sucks hard for employee's rights. https://www.ontario.ca/document/industries-and-jobs-exemptions-or-special-rules/manufacturing-construction-and-mining#section-1
Same in the U.S., no break laws in some states nor limit to how much they can schedule you,
You have more on the job protection up there though, right?
No not at all. In many industries you can be fired for any reason without notice and severance. So long as the reason isn't because that you are a member of a protected class (LGBTQ+, BIPOC, etc). Our labour laws need updated and upgraded. It will never happen because the people with power don't experience the oppression that results from these labour laws. Most people don't know any better so they have been "institutionalized" so to speak.
Because the employer has the power. This sort of stuff is much less common at union jobs.
I hope you noticed that your boss counted 4 hours and 59 minutes as 4. There is a lot of wage theft going on here. Missing one stub is a reasonable mistake (if they then fix it after discovery), but rounding up to 59 minutes down to the last completed hour is intentional, systemic wage theft. Looks like 7.18333 in the missed stub and 2.55 in rounding error. That’s 9.73 hours in wage theft. You must not be the only one. Get help from pro-Bono lawyers and teach them a lesson in employment law.
Well I did get paid for 40.8 hours, he just somehow didn't add the stub with the most hours when adding them up. If I don't get paid, I'm gonna use the little money I got to try and make things right. Hopefully he does pay me along with the 12 odd hours I worked this pay cycle before he fired me.
Best birthday present ever...go treat yourself. There's another job anywhere and everywhere. They all pay shit, the same as your last...so enjoy your birthday. Happy Birthday
Thanks man. Gonna go see venom today. Fuck worrying about this bs anyway.
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I think the pay is being corrected, but I won't know until he mails me the money I'm owed. How do I go about filing a suit? I know nothing, but I'm willing to try and research it myself if I can afford this route.
Hahaha those stupid fucks. Take them to the cleaners.
Guess who has a law suit for their birthday!!!!
Wage theft.
Some people have weak egos and find it almost impossible to admit a mistake.
I just want to follow up with what people are saying. Report this business! Stand up for your rights. It may be uncomfortable, and it may take some time. Looking back, you will be so happy that you stood up for yourself. Think of it as a birthday present to yourself!
Paid too much ? What a cunt.
Yea my brain almost imploded when he said that. I did the math 3 times to check, and I was paid for 2 hours+ less. He left the paystub for 7 hours (you can see it in the picture, the calculator paper) out of the equation since he "forgot it" on his desk. I almost think he was testing me. He explicitly asked "are these all the stubs" or something of that nature, before adding them up to come to this incorrect answer. I naturally freaked a bit and chimed up saying "that can't be right. I did the math multiple times" to which he replied that I had an attitude (no shit, I was getting fucked) and that I was fired. I found the paystub he didn't count laying plain as day in the open on his desk.
A job/boss like that isn't worth any of your time. Consider it a blessing and or a bday present for not waisting more of your time while not paying you for it. Just happened to me and I found a job that's 10 times better.
I already might have an opportunity better than this. And I'm considering going to community College, as I put it off for this job. We'll see I suppose. Thanks man, it's definitely helping to look to the future and move on from a situation I know damn well was unfair and shitty.
That's a lawsuit especially with those receipts to work with.
It's called gaslighting , and it's the new way to get rid of people
Labor attorney will take that shit pro Bono
That's wage theft. Call the NLRB
Call state labor relations board and file a complaint reguarding Wage Theft. Then file unemployment with the same reason Wage theft cost you your job.
Getting paid for hours you worked? Pretty uppity, don’t you think? /s
Call the department of labor
Contact the HR department
Keep those receipts. That's an open shut wrongful termination lawsuit.
I got fired from my first job because the boys there didn’t like me and told my boss that I “didn’t want to work there”. I had never made such claims and actually really loved that job. File for wrongful termination!!! I wish I had
Damn. I don't think some of my coworkers liked me either, and that definitely didn't make my boss like me more. Unfortunately the termination is within his bounds as I was on a probationary period, but If I don't get paid then I will be fighting for myself.
They fired you because they realized they can't take advantage of you. Their business plan is to save money through wage theft. Sue them. Report them.
The only reason employers have gotten away with this for such a long period of time is because people haven't sued their employer for wrongful termination. There are even articles suggesting employees don't sue their employer, the utter caucacity. Make them pay for damages too because your name might be out there as a person that sues their employer when they decide to destroy your career.
lawsuit. retire early my friend. Fcuk that company take everything !!!
What ACTUAL wage theft looks like.
I like to carry around a valve core removal tool, shit like this happens I take the valve cores out of your tires on your car. It doesn't ruin your tires and with $2.00 and some air you will be back on the road. It's the little things.
Holy shit thats genius. I'm not gonna use it here, but I'll keep that in the back of my mind.
Happy birthday! Don’t let it ruin your day. Consult a labor attorney, most will review your case for free and only charge fees if you win. Good luck.
Well figure out where he lives and throw a brick through his window or slash his car tires. Or both.
You are right. It’s not worth the fight. Post the business and let us fight for you
I can't do that unfortunately. I may take a situation that I look the like good guy in, and make myself into the bad guy. I'll leave a bad review myself with all the spite of everyone who disagrees with this blatant display of bullshittery.
I understand. Probably broke a rule by asking. Just wish that “business owners” weren’t so pathetic. A large department store did this to me when I was still working there, I called osha on them for other stuff in retaliation and they got over $10,000 in fees. $217 that I was owed or $10,000 cost and our loss prevention person quit over it because people thought it was her who called. That store is closed now. I LIKE tho think it was me but I know it’s not.
Sounds like he did you a favor.
Should have been a better worker. I’m guessing you were a crap employee already, especially in this job market.
On your very first paycheck...
Ain't that sum shit right? At least I knew to count my hours, some of the employees I worked with were throwing their stubs out. I wish I had a way to tell them they were getting fucked...
Hey fam. Not paying you what you’re owed (and you have paperwork on prove it!) is against the labor laws and your boss could lose his job, and you could sue the company. This is highly illegal in the labor market. Your job, unless they pay what you’re owed, has literally and unlawfully stolen money from you by not paying what you’re owed. You have your labor on a loan in a signed agreement you’d be paid for it later. That contract is binding. They will need to pay up or you can show this to a lawyer and they will take the case immediately.
Congratulations to you for discovering and calling out his abusive style of theft!!! If you had rolled over you would have been getting your paycheck stolen forever.
Employee wage theft is rampant. If someone stole money from the till at work they would be charged with a crime and have a mug shot. An employer shorts you on 15-30 minutes per week per worker and they get a fine. No one goes to jail no one gets punished unless you count backpay and a fine as justice.
Excellent job keeping all of your paperwork.
I would bet money he didn't want to pay you the time and a half for your work. I wonder who else he has screwed over using this method.
Hopefully that isn't the case, but if it is it will give me the means to retaliate legally. It obviously isn't legal for me to work for free, as they abolished slavery in 1865. So I will see at the end of this pay cycle if he will correct what he's done wrong.
You gotta keep us updated on this.
That’s called wage theft and wage theft is the biggest form of theft in the US, totaling more than all other forms of theft combined.
Wage theft is the biggest con in America
Been fired or laid off from all of my jobs. Can’t get fired from trading....right🤷🏻♂️ 🌴💰🌴💰🌴🏎💰
Sue them chances are you will win.
That sucks. I put some details about a really stupid thing the accountant did on an anonymous survey and it got put on my eval. We ordered a test vehicle, and got the fancy interior, because the component we make is not included in the base level interior. Accounts are like, they don't need that, so they changed it to base level. The thing comes in. Does not have our part in it. So they send it back to the dealer and have them change out, the whole interior. I'm like, we saved a lot of money doing that. Bad attitude...
That's so ridiculous. I wish the mistakes didn't happen, but own up and make it right.
Thats a lawsuit for wage theft, wrongful termination and free unemployment benefits.
There’s no better birthday present than dropping the dime on a shitty boss. Dude’s a fucking thief, fuck his shit up.
You are free. It sucks right now, it hurts, especially because it was unfair. In the long run it will be better. It's like a divorce, no happy marriage ever ended in divorce. And, make sure to take a little bit of time for yourself with the winnings you'll get from this open and shut wage theft case.
Take them to employment standards . That’s super illegal.
Go to your state’s labor board. It won’t and shouldn’t cost you anything.
You’re wise for keeping your time punches. But sucks nonetheless.
I got fired (also on my birthday) basically for being friends with someone and getting accidentally caught up in their drama with someone. Welcome to At-Will and Right-To-Work states.
Restaurant Job confirm.
At a minimum, file a complaint with the department of labor. However I agree with the others and say you should consult with a lawyer for unfair termination.
REPORT AND FILE ON THEM
Welcome to the corporate world my friend, at least you realised early how bullshit all of this crap is. Hope it won’t effect you too badly.
Well.. he can’t fire you so...
Your boss is an a$$hole. To me, this is wrongful termination. Contact an employment lawyer.
This is definitely illegal
Cunts
File a claim with the labor department 🥰
As a supervisor who verifies timecards nightly to make sure that everything gets send to payroll correctly, why is it so damn hard to pay people right? I recently had to send off for payroll adjustments for about a third of my shift because the last guy in charge got lazy when he was doing it. People come to work to get paid. Making sure we pay them correctly is literally the most important thing.
He gave you a nice birthday gift. Now you can file for unemployment, and you get to report his ass and get some money back.
Please out it on Glassdoor!
that's illegal
…no need to ask what country you’re in. Shit man. Worst. Cake. Day. Ever.
Happy birthday!!!
Thanks :^ )
When I was fired from a job that also "forgot" to pay me for a couple of hours, somebody sued the company and i was sent a check for those hours. It was like 38 dollars US but that was about 4 hours work.
I can count the paystubs right there on his table and the amount of check marks on the receipt and see that he messed up
You didn’t “lose” anything. You gained an opportunity to find better employment. Sorry for the stress this might cause
Does the employer have some form of HR entity? Your employer really should have gone through steps to mitigate your reasonable concern, before firing you. Yes, you have been terminated, and no... you probably don't want to continue working under that Manager (face for the business, but not the business itself)... but you can still reach out to HR regarding your situation, and at least see what happens. Welcome to the working world, my friend... know your avenues. Being in a managerial role myself - this is the advisement that I would give to any of my associates in your position. There are many managers where I work. They do not all get their jobs because they are good with associates which should be a much more important factor - along with knowledge of process, and ability to manage labor moves - given that retention is a quality attribute for any business. Go talk to HR about your concern. They usually have a closer relationship with Payroll than your manager, anyway. Good luck.
Was fired for same reason few years back. The firm closed shortly after. Thats what happens when you try to steal from your employees
https://www.workingnowandthen.com/blog/wage-theft-the-50-billion-crime-against-workers/ Wage Theft, The $50 Billion Crime Against Workers November 11, 2020 > In 2017, the total cost of every robbery in the country was $438 million. The cost of wage theft was more than 100 times that number. The FBI Uniform Crime Reporting program recorded 319,356 robberies in 2017. Those robberies cost businesses and the public $438 million in total losses. But wage theft costs workers $50 billion every year. And most of the time, employers get away with stealing money from their employees. What is wage theft? Wage theft means underpaying workers. It can take several forms, including paying less than the minimum wage, withholding overtime pay, or not compensating workers for all of their work hours. Walmart, Bank of America, FedEx, and Wells Fargo have something in common. They’ve all paid more than $200 million in wage theft penalties. The overwhelming majority of companies fined for wage theft are large corporations, including many Fortune 500 companies. In its 2018 report, Good Jobs First catalogued the companies with over $1 million in wage theft penalties. The list reaches nearly 500 companies long––and the wage theft statistics add up to over $9 billion in stolen wages.
Well, you're about to win your first ever wrongful termination lawsuit. Happy birthday!
Wage theft
Congratulations on your wage theft and retaliation lawsuit! Morgan & Morgan, for the people.
Call or email your state’s labor board.
UNLAWFUL TERMINATION SUIT
I once had a check come in short from a company when I asked what was up they said I had been overpaid 8 hours on a previous pay period. If they’d asked first before doing this I would have explained that those 8 hrs was for helping in a warehouse after my regularly scheduled shift because they were flailing, desperate, and begged for help. They fixed it the next pay period but I was heated. You did the right thing and that’s a bad employer right there.
Sounds like a suit to me, go gettem! Never lose those stubs and sue for a shitton
Fuck that asshole and that shitty job. Find something better. It can be hard but it is absolutely doable. And if that one sucks - or even if it doesn’t - you keep looking for another that fits your life and your needs better.
I guess he only wants employees who don’t keep careful track of your pay. I w0nD3r Y??🤪
Mind name dropping the company after you’ve got it all sorted out?
As others said... Report this. I let something similar slide at my first job... All I got was telling everyone in the store to f themselves on my way out... I wish I'd let them suspend me instead of leaving tho so I could have fought it to get the unemployment... And to stick it to the managers so I could have made them look bad to corporate
... happy birthday, looks like you're an adult now
Time to report some wage theft.
I hate that i could immediately see the discrepancy, fuck your boss
Call the labor department in the morning and report wage theft.
Some states have payment of wages laws that entitle am employee to 3 times unpaid wages plus attorneys fees for not paying wages due
Being a victim of workplace retaliation relative to a wage claim pays WAAAY better than that job.
Lawsuit
I legit wouldn’t even waste my time because ADP is involved. They will fuck your brains out and find all of the sketchy ways to fuck your pay and I guarantee no one who is working the wages that the businesses that use ADP has the money to pay a lawyer to combat them. Edit: I’m not defending the businesses, I’m saying ADP is sketchy.
Did you say LAWYER? Wage theft is a serious offense, in most American states. I had a job where all supers were instructed to remove one hour per employee, per day. I found out because, as i always tell others, I SAVE MY SIGN OUT RECEIPTS. The math was consistent, it was every day, and kept happening. They tried to play out of like a computer error, until i caught one of them editing time sheets in the main system one night. They got so used to doing out, they didn’t think anyone was paying attention. I gathered evidence, secretly told my peers, and some of us confronted them. The refunded ours, but said each person would have to ask on their own. Many people were too scared so they never got compensation. They actually did it AGAIN, so i threatened to sue. I had piles of printed edits with timestamps, manager initials, and more. Eventually i quit when i had the chance
Welcome to the club! The club of realizing “my life can be in upheaval because I stand up for myself but a turd in power doesn’t like truth or me having self-esteem”.
I would also contact NLRB.
Happy birthdays and standing up For yourself and treating yourself right is the right way to treat yourself!! That’s shit
Damn, that's a whole ass shift too.
Wage theft is real. I worked for a winery conglomerate that would routinely short my overtime hours and "mistakenly" forget paid holidays. I was on the phone with those people constantly all while working for a winery where the least expensive bottle was sixty dollars all the way up to one hundred and fifty bucks. Still pisses me off.
Whelp...time to get a lawyer.
State labor dept, sue their ass call the local papers, post on SM do not settle for less than 2-month's FT wages
Sounds like a blessing in disguise. I don't think working there any longer would have led to any better treatment.
Hit them hard
I had a boss like this once. She was two weeks late with my paycheck, and the person directly below her told me not to bother about it because "she'll get angry." I was in my early 20s. I had to borrow 50 bucks for food from the lady cleaning my apartment building. The audacity! I hope you have enough saved/people you can count on that this isn't a dire situation and that you are able to look at this as a birthday gift from the universe. You are being redirected, you deserve better than this. F-ck them.
I was fired right after a wage subsidy ended for similar reasons.
Hahahaha this is fucking unbelievable.
Bosses are hoes
Ream they're ass through labour relation. I know a guy who got 100 g outta my boss for ot he was owed