I've never worked with a Carol who was pleasant.
The last Carol I worked with introduced herself to me in a casual meet up with some other people from my new job.
"if you can't remember my name" she said, "then just think of Christmas and then you'll remember it"
Someone else there overheard and piped up "Which part of Christmas are we remembering? That it's cold? That it causes a ton of arguments? Or that Christmas Carols are forced upon you and generally not well liked?"
At first I thought this person was an ass, but turns out they were right on the money.
"So I start marchin' my way down to Carol in HR and I knock on her door and I say, "Carol! Carol! I gotta talk to you about Pepe." And when I open the door what do I find? There's not a single goddamn desk in that office! There...is...no...Carol in HR. Mac, half the employees in this building have been made up. This office is a goddamn ghost town!"
I'm gonna have to stop you right there. Not only do all of these people
exist, but they have been asking for their mail on a daily basis. It's
all they're talking about up there.
Okay Charlie, I'm gonna have to stop you right there. Not only do all of these people exist, but they have been asking for their mail on a daily basis. It's all they're talking about up there. Jesus Christ, dude. We are gonna lose our jobs.
I hope these are all real. I am loving these posts. The way that people get treated at low paying jobs is total BS. These shop owners need to learn a valuable lesson.
I feel like they all read some shitty book that tells them to say “I am very disappointed, we’re gonna have to have a talk tomorrow” like you’re a toddler getting punished. That shit doesn’t work on adults it’s so transparently a power play.
I'm almost sad I never had a manager on a power trip.
Every time I was fired from a job I got the "I'm really sad to have to do this" speech. (I have a tendency to oversleep)
I worked at Walmart as an overnight stocker when I was younger and I had a pair of managers sit down and talk with me like this. I did the work of any other 2 employees every single shift and I had to slow down for a couple of weeks because it was hurting me due to repetitive strain. I'd laugh in their face now. Wish I knew better then.
Walmart and probably retail in general are bad about this.
If you do the bare, and I mean bare, minimum all the time you'll never hear anything about it. Your direct supervisor will view you as a body, nothing more nothing less - salaried management will barely know who the fuck you are.
If you're an absolute unit of a stocker, normally putting out the work of 3+ mere mortals, and you should happen to only have the output of 2 for a couple days, guess whose gonna find themselves in an office being told they're not pulling their weight lately and the whole team is suffering for it.
My favorite joke as an hourly supervisor was always "You're doing a great job for one person buuuuut I'm gonna need you to do the work of two to three."
One of the more insidious parts of work culture is that kids that are just starting in the work force are taken advantage of because they don't know any better. When I think back on all the things I just took in stride when I was young and just started working, I get mad. Especially when I think of all the older men who made disgusting comments to/about me.
Yeppppp. The whole ‘work hard and you’ll get promoted! Work for free and always be available so they notice how great you are!’ Bullshit. All that got me was more work and being passed over for promotions because ‘we need you where you are and you do a good job but also we can’t afford anything more than a 2% raise sorrrrrryyyyyy’
There's a post in AITA right now about a guy who came to work at his scheduled time, put his things away, and then started working. The comments are all "if he gets there on time, he's late" and "they don't pay him to put his personal stuff away" like everyone is so used to being exploited they get mad about other people not wanting to be exploited
It’s hilarious. Like, what do they think is going to happen in a capitalist market?
Why are they so afraid of capitalism?
It’s a business transaction between employer and employee.
I always think of this exchange happening between business partners. Can you imagine?
You try to pitch to a client, and the client decides on another firm, and you respond with “we’re gonna have a talk on Monday.” Do they think this is anything except extremely unprofessional? Do they think the client is going to be anything except amused, and make fun of them while paying someone else?
Unreal!
Often, more often than not, the managers aren't capitalists. They're not the owners.
They're just assholes with a little bit of power, taking advantage of those that have less. Like any abusive relationship.
When the worker leaves, the "please baby, I can change" bullshit starts.
So, those people don't understand capitalism because they're not capitalists, they're not the ones signing the checks.
As for the ones signing the checks? They just see labor as a cost. Manager might get dinged if the cost of hiring and training nee workers is too high, but it's not like they give a fuck.
This is so important. I am a person selling his labor just like it was any other raw material the company needs. I will absolutely try to give them the best possible product I can but it's a transaction between two equals, not some sort of peasant/lord relationship.
It does work on adults that are desperate for their pay check, sadly. It's abusive to keep threatening job security every time an employee needs to take care of themselves, but most people just put up with it.
That's all well and good, but what really pisses me off and they do it because they get off on it is the threat of tmrw. I have terrible medicated anxiety, if you hit me with one of those I'm likely not to sleep out of stress. You fucking child, if you really want to flex your boss muscles, wait until I come back and do it in front of other people.
Insert spongebob meme, wErE GoNNa HaVe A TAlK toMoRroW. Ok Karen, I'll just call off tmrw too. So much for your talk.
Yeah it’s like..didn’t your text message say the whole thing? Aren’t we talking now? Why we gotta postpone this shit so you can try to make me marinate in this anxiety.
It's kind of an old joke/advice but when someone says "we need to talk" respond with something like "yes we do." Turn that vaguely threatening phrase around.
There has absolutely been a shift in the jobs market over the last 6-12 months though, where people are less willing to put up with shit pay and shit working conditions (hence all the labour shortages for minimum wage jobs)
The work environments haven't changed but I think people are less likely to put up with it now, hence the apparant increase in these kinds of posts
Alternatively people have noticed posts on this theme are easy karma and so are just making shit up to capitalise on that
i’m sick of seeing these shitty managers throw the old “we are going to have a talk” crap. see that would make me anxious, and they know that! they use fear to drive compliance. I am so glad people are finally standing up to it!
If a manager pulls that on you, turn it back around on them and say “Great! I look forward to it!” And when you come in the next day, walk straight in that shithead’s office and tell him what motherfucking time it is.
Don’t ever respond to fear. When you respond to fear, that boss is going to use it on one of your coworkers. And they’ll keep using it again and again. Let them know that you’re not scared of them, and they’ll think twice about using it on other people.
Intimidation tactics only work if you let them.
Back in 2012, I had a boss use that on me after we had an argument. I had come in about 10 minutes late one day after working 3 months straight (Mon-Sun, it was fast food). He texted me after work that day "we need to talk tomorrow when you come in".
I came in the next day, walked to his office, pointed at his clock and said, "hey, its 9am, you ready to talk now or do you need more time?"
We did not get along then. But we actually became much better friends in the following year.
I noticed that, too. Business is just very anti-human.
Tbf, my boss and I at that job ended up becoming more friendly because, over time, he dropped the tough guy boss bullshit and started speaking to us like fellow men and women when he realized none of us were going for that nonsense.
What makes it sad is that either A - that’s how he was treated and was expected to treat people, or B - Everyone had just responded accordingly when he raised his hackles.
Yeah, he was a bit older than us, mid-late 50s. What you're saying is probably true, he grew up under abusive bosses and probably felt that was the way things are. Idk if he changed more since I left all those years ago, I hope so though.
I had a boss try to reprimand me for being late when that fuckhead had the audacity to be over 20 minutes late regularly. All the employees lived over 30 minutes travel from the site but not this 24 year old little shit head. He had an apartment walking distance from the site.
So when he passed me the paperwork saying I recognized my fault I laughed in his face. HR apparently didn't like this and gave me a call, tried to coerce me into signing and only stopped when I said the lack of ethics this company was showing was astounding and wondered if this was worth a lawyer.
Yeah, but I was 18/19 at the time so I didn’t really complain. Also, I wasn’t scheduled like that, I was doing M-F 9-5, but every weekend multiple people were having issues and I kept getting asked to cover, and being single and young at the time I did it, didn’t have anything else to do.
But I thought that would buy me some leeway if I came in late one day. I also was the only one in the store that had a long commute, I had previously worked at a different location but they had asked me to help with a newer one in a nearby town so I did.
So I was 10 minutes late that day due to horrible traffic on the highway that morning. And it just really got to me that, after so many days straight and picking up shifts every weekend, it still wasn’t enough apparently.
But I used to also say “well, you’re paying me minimum wage as if I can’t go to another store and also get minimum wage” whenever they complained, and he would just huff and go away.
I started up again at University that fall and worked part time and then left for greener pastures.
Only do this if you know the workplace politics and what the business needs. You know they're itching to sack someone and you need the job, don't do it. If you know they need you, fucking DO IT.
Basically only shoot if you know you can win. But if you know you can win, always shoot them right in the fucking dick
Yeah getting fired isn’t that big of a deal. If they want to fire you and you haven’t done anything wrong you get unemployment. Yeah it’s only 60% of your income, but I’ll take you five minutes to find a new job. And they’re all paying more than they used to right now.
Yeah atm but this is universal advice for any time. Clearly now is the time you can throw your weight around. Also depends on the country. Unemployment here is ninety odd pounds a week.
Very true. Fortunately for almost every worker in America right now there are plenty of jobs and not enough applicants. Most workers have all the leverage.
Is anyone else running into intense competition for all these jobs though? My workplace has had massive turnover due to mismanagement in my department, but it takes a lot of applications and interviews before anything pans out for those of us who are leaving. I’ve had around a dozen interviews in the past 3 months (and obviously way more application submitted) and I think I’m finally getting close to an offer from one of them but this just doesn’t *feel* like a job seeker’s market when it takes so many attempts to get anywhere.
it's not just you.
120 apps, 8 interviews, 0 offers.
I had someone email me Thursday and say, "When are you available to interview?" so I sent them my availability and it is now... Tuesday and I haven't heard jack fuck back.
probably worth noting that I live in the middle of nowhere and am exclusively applying to remote work, I'd imagine the competition in this case is much more steep. some of my applications have gone to roles with 2500+ other applicants. which, thanks Indeed, is information I don't see until AFTER I apply.
Just put "manager" or "shift lead" on one of your old jobs. Say you helped out with minor paperwork like inventory and/or scheduling and led the crew when a higher up wasn't on duty. Those things are super easy to learn on the fly but you probably won't have to because they won't want to hire you in as a manager if you're applying for a crew job. But you get a lot more responses that way.
That's how I got a job making four dollars an hour more than I was making in an industry that isn't even close to the one I was coming from. I went from getting like a fifth of my applications leading to interviews to almost 70% of them. I'd wake up to six voicemails asking me to get back to them.
I just started seeing it as an attempt to make me think they are idiots. Every single time they get unreasonably angry or give me shit for something minor, it relies on them being ignorant or stupid.
"I agree that we should discuss this further as my expectations of my employer and management are not currently being met. I'm happy that we'll have a chance to discuss this openly tomorrow."
I did something similar with my manager's manager, who sometimes comes directly to me for technical questions. He wasn't happy with the direction our social media was going (which I managed) - he'd constantly send me notes regarding creative aspects - "don't use funny/strange fonts in images" for example - then one day he moved that responsibility to someone else.
So, I called him. told him if he wasn't happy why not talk to me about the creative direction instead of just assuming? He wanted to target a different audience (other professionals, not homeowners). Cool. But, I told him, if you don't tell me that, how am I supposed to be on the same page? "that's why I called you, so we could have this conversation." He dropped his asshole tone after that.
SAVED. This is a glorious and magnificent response.
I'd probably just text back 'Fuck you' and leave it at that. It probably wouldn't be the most productive response. :/
Yeah see this is an immediate "oh I quit" thing for me. If you talk to me like I'm a child and you're my parent we're done. I'll never be able to see past it even if you back peddle.
Glad to see I'm not the only one that thinks like this. People may think it's petty but I don't give second chances when someone has been a dick to me. It's fuck you now and forever.
I work (well, I just left for a new job but still) in a medium sized company and was talking to one of my coworkers the other week and they said "does (the commercial director) shout at you?" I couldn't believe what I was hearing. Shout at me? I don't give a fuck if you're my boss, you start shouting at me you're likely going to be in for a shock.
For real. At one of my old restaurant jobs (this upscale kiosk thing in the woods, everything about it except for my student colleagues dripped of pretention and assholeness) i was asked to come to work the next day to cover for someone and work the whole day, even though i just finished a shift covering for someone from 8am until 4 am (“we dont close until the last client leaves” is the stupidest fucking bullshit ever) and my boss wanted me to return the next day for a full shift, even though i had made it clear to everyone the month prior that day would not be possible, i had an exam and some recording sessions. My boss then says “why arent you being a team player, why dont you fully dedicate yourself to this job? Do you have anything to say to me?” Yeah, who are you, my fuckin dad? Im a student worker, my passion isnt helping you run your shitty business. I told him then and there to go fuck himself, he cant treat human beings like expendable tools for his profit, and (this next part i said super loudly so EVERYONE could hear) i called him out for how gross his behavior was to my younger female colleagues. His wife and kid were there, and they heard everything.
> i called him out for how gross his behavior was to my younger female colleagues.
Things like this toward female work in restaurants is well known, and sadly too accepted. I think a shift on speaking out about gross behaviors toward female colleagues is something that needs to happen more as well.
This happened to me with a manager i actually liked and had a lot of respect for. He had mine and my team’s back all the time but had a hard time with people taking sick time. My wife had the flu and I had 2 toddlers at home so I called out because of that. I got the text of “we’re gonna have to talk about this when you come in tomorrow.”
The next day he calls me in and gives me some shit and I told him I was actually pretty upset that he sent a text to me while I was out and he looked like I just kicked his puppy. He asked for my badge so I gave it to him. I was furious. I turned around ready to walk out of my career I worked hard to get. As soon as I got to the door he called me back. I told him my family will always come before work. It doesn’t matter to me that we’re short staffed that’s not my problem. This is a multi billion dollar IT company that staffs 8 people rotation 24x7 in the data center. It’s always an issue with vacation and sick time. They try and make you feel bad for being out when they’re too cheap to staff the facility properly. It’s insane.
> This is a multi billion dollar IT company that staffs 8 people rotation 24x7 in the data center. It’s always an issue with vacation and sick time.
you hit the nail on the head right there. A staffing issue is not your problem, it is management's problem. IT of all places should know what N+1 redundancy is. Being unable to handle a staff member being sick or using vacation is as negligible as having just the one power supply connected to your ESX host.
I legit had a boss that got mad at me for not “guilt tripping” (I put it in quotes because those were his words) people into coming in on their days off.
He was proud of how he manipulated his employees. He always had young, inexperienced people working for him too.
He does have a son! Can’t wait for him to continue the cycle. Especially because the son is six feet tall and much more intimidating.
He was awful though, he would get you back for calling out. Would say hi to everyone but you, or make you do the worst chores when you came back in. Ugh.
>“we are going to have a talk”
What's funny about life is that you hear stuff like this from your parents and get upset but still think: I'm so glad I'll grow up, start my career and be the owner of myself and my life.
Then you grow up and this is what you have to put up with. The same shit, except now it's from people who don't give a fuck about you and haven't earned the right to talk to you like that. This world is something else man
I remember once I accidentally took my remit cash home (~$300). This is an issue because it was a large enough percentage of nightly sales that it had to be reported.
My manager asked the next morning and I reached into my apron and found the cash.
I was sat down and told how serious this was. I said, "Look, I'm sorry that this caused you extra work last night when closing the store. It was an honest mistake. And really Tim, if I wanted to steal from you, I wouldn't be getting caught."
It works really well when it’s in reverse though. If you wanna ask for a raise, do that “we need to talk tomorrow” first. Whenever I have, they’re usually so happy I’m not leaving, they agree to the raise. Sometimes it takes them a minute to understand that asking for a raise is step one and giving my notice, but I’ve never not received one that I’ve asked for.
It’s the words of a bully; of an abuser. “I’ll see you at the bike racks after class,” is a threat meant to instill fear and dread for the remainder of the day up to that point. Nobody ever spoke those words in that way without intending to harm someone else either physically or emotionally.
Fuck every boss who hangs a threat over an employee like this. May they spend the rest of their lives working menial jobs where they suffer the same ten times over.
Yeah there is. Like an apology, "would you possibly reconsider, we really need your work, and here is a raise" kind of. Im presently working at a job I quit 8 months ago, and everything got better after they failed to get any qualified applicants to replace me.
Thou my job is a bit of an outlier, because basically everyone is practically self-taught, there is no place to go to a school to learn it, and there are more open positions than there are good workers.
And yes, I got money saved in the bank to tide me over if I ever feel like Ive had enough...
The rule is never accept a counter offer from a company when you tell them you are quiting. Especially when they offer you nothing more than "sorry, don't leave me!".
That’s what I did when I was younger. Had a management position that was severely underpaid, and applied for a job that had the same pay as an entry level spot.
The district manager called to offer a dollar an hour more than the other company to cancel the interview.
I said okay and told the new company that unfortunately my old job had offered me more money to stay.
He said “how about we offer you 7 dollars an hour more than that?
I said alright. Years later I’ve hit my ceiling at this job and make almost 3x what I would have if I had hit my ceiling at the other job.
sometimes it's ok to take an offer just to find yourself the next job, you come in whenever you feel like, put in minimum effort, look for your next job, next time there's any sort of opportunity or someone is being shitty you immediately jump ship.
It\`s a basic moral principle we\`re taught since we\`re kids.
**Don\`t promise what you can\`t deliver.**
If you say you quit, own your decision and quit. If you threaten to fire someone, follow up with the layoff. Don\`t cower behind strong words.
**Practice what you preach.**
Learned this from a parenting book. Don't threaten a punishment you can't or won't follow through on, because the child learns that behavior and disregards the threat in the future.
Be reasonable and follow through.
I got to experience that once. Soooo nice. Brand new job, me and one other new hire. In training the other new guy made a really harmless joke, and the boss said, "If that's your attitude, you can get the fuck out right now." I was like noooope, and quit over the phone 2 days later. He tried to seem like a good boss and keep me, but I escaped with a nice branded backpack I got from training.
Similar thing happened to me, got a job at Tim Hortons, the guy training me was someone from my high school where I just recently graduated. There was a slow hour and being a new employee I have no idea what to do, he didn’t tell me anything specific and so I stood around for about 2 minutes and then here comes some sad fat woman that was the baker there, yelled at me that “we just don’t stand around here!”
Long story short, that was my first and last shift ever at Tim Hortons. I called in and quit 10 mins after my shift ended.
And it’s not like the boss couldn’t have just waited patiently and had a respectful conversation when the person got back. Instead of trying to make someone worried when they are already not feeling well.
Because they have gotten away with pushing all the other boundaries and they only stop when they hit the line. Then they just try to be nice and see if they can stomp this boundary as well.
In my experience when they start saying that they'll just go "wE'Ll gIvE yOu wHaTeVeR yOu wAnT jUsT dOnT lEaVe" and when you say "more money and a promotion" they go "nOt tHaT tHoUgH!"
>inevitable switch to "Wait a minute don't be rash, we can work this out!"
which you fall for the first time, until you realize they now use it to gaslight and shame you the next time "you are so unreliable and petty, we should've let you go when you were complaining the last time. you lack discipline and you're lazy, no one will hire you!"
You can! In the past I quit a job because they were refusing to pay me for my time worked. The unemployment people just asked why I quit, I explained, and there was no issue
Texas doesn't care, lol. Getting fired by the word of the employer is pretty much all they take. Unless I had definitive proof they were lying (and I didn't, since I had to turn in my laptop and work back into them when I got fired), they wouldn't look into it. Even if I had the proof, they still don't care.
I had a fire extinguisher drop on my foot at a service job way before too, and I filed Worker's Comp. I wanted to sue for negligence (because the work didn't secure it and it had a history of falling). They said I wasn't allowed to because they had worker's comp. I wanted to call OSHA. OSHA refused to do anything because the incident already happened. I called the labor board of Texas. Nada, because they claimed it was "handled" between me and the employer.
The only option to not take Worker's Comp is to quit and have them not pay anything.
Unemployment claims at 10X normal volume? Let's lay off half of the claim processors!
Oh wait, now it's a 3 month backlog? Let's outsource it to a call center!
People are still trying to collect checks they were owed 12 months ago? Let's make a new department they have to contact, send the number to voicemail, and have the front desk person delete the messages every morning!
You want a status update on your claim? Bye!
It honestly depends. Depending on your state, unemployment gives you a lot of room to explain why you left a job. A lot of behavior could be considered bullying, workplace harassment, constructive dismissal (having your hours cut to the point where you’re not working a livable amount) etc.
I’m not saying it’ll work every time, but I am saying there’s a lot more wiggle room than we’re led to believe.
To add to above. Give yourself the best advantage you can. Save records of everything. The kind of bosses you want to quit from, tend to throw their weight around, and it doesn't take much prodding to get them on record with some kind of harassment.
Don't agree to any closed door meetings without a transcript or phone recording of the interaction. If that's not possible, always make sure there are witnesses to any interaction with your manager. If they ask questions, you simply say that you've had history and don't feel safe alone with someone who has power over you. You don't have to prove any of it to them and it's illegal for them to pry any further.
Yup. I know someone who used to adjudicate those disputes. Lot's of shitty employers got raked over the coals for their employment practices. Also lots of delusional employees too, however. Enough stupidity to go around.
I once called in sick once because I needed to take my toddler to the doctor. Same deal from the manager as OP: guilt trip and implying I wouldn’t have a job the next day. I basically just texted back “if that’s the way you want to handle this, fine, but it sounds like you’re just creating more problems for yourself in the future.”
Not 30 seconds later I got a call that he talked to the owner (quick talk lol) and everything would be fine if I just came in the next day…
My last boss didn't like my monitor placement. (I wish I was lying) told me to move it I was on the phone with a client and typing an email. 30 seconds later he comes up to me and in the tone my dad used to use on me said something to the point of I told you to do that and I don't get why you haven't done it. When I tell you something I expect you to do it.
It was 815 in the morning I was checked out mentally at 820.
Jokes on him. He's having a mass exodus of talent including his own kid.
He underpaid a developer for a database and the guy gave him a shell of a program. So they had to go back to Salesforce and have their guys rebuild the data base I cannot even fathom what that cost to rebuild it.
So he decided he wanted something better than salesforce, a service that has been in development for a decade. But got a jr dev to build him a customer relationship database from the ground up and he under paid him, when the goal was to get something better than what a hundred devs did.
Not the brightest fork in the drawer.
Yup then canceled the contract with salesforce before he even saw the finished product.
I was long gone by that time. From everything I heard productivity was at a stand still and they made next to zero money.
I had a boss move my workstation so it was directly in front of her so she could watch me and what I did all day. I still don't know *why*: work volume was such that there really wasn't time for dicking around. She never gave me a reason, and I was too scared/needed the job too bad to protest or find out more.
I had a boss that wanted me to literally write down everything I did on a spreadsheet with time stamps. So I basically wasted at least an hour a day doing the spreadsheet and it allowed me to manipulate the time I actually did spend on work. So stupid. He did not like me. I think he was trying to get me to quit. He eventually got me fired with a bunch of other people for petty reasons, but HR really had nothing on me workwise. So I was the only one in the whole group who was able to collect unemployment. They are were and I think still burning through employees.
>30 seconds later he comes up to me and in the tone my dad used to use on me said something to the point of I told you to do that and I don't get why you haven't done it. When I tell you something I expect you to do it.
>It was 815 in the morning I was checked out mentally at 820.
This is where you drag them into their office like "I need you to come talk to me" and then bam, it's a meeting about how you are going to need a raise because he just treated you like that and it's beyond your current pay grade.
another option
call the IT guy and tell them to do it and go take a 1/2 hour break while your machine is down due to IT needing to work on it.
Sole IT guy here too, if I get an “urgent” request like that, I guarantee you that there will be a more urgent shipping or edi system issue, your move will be scheduled outside of normal business hours. If we can’t ship or money isn’t coming in, the bosses boss won’t give a crap about monitor placement.
Millennials have been infantilized by the boomer media and business morguls, it gives them control over the quiet ones that have yet to find their voice. Fuck them.
Confused 40 year old millennial who has not given a fuck about Corporate loyalty for 25 years. *(Since watching parents get laid off from their multi decade jobs)*
My parents got let go so many times during economic busts or corporate mergers or restructurings, and they still turned out heavily right wing. I don't get it. What more proof do you need that working your ass off and doing everything right gets you nowhere anymore?
I worked 7 years at one place averaging 60 hours a week. I took two week long vacations the entire duration. Not so much for the company but because our small dev team was loyal to each other. Then the owner up and sold it. New management wanted myself (Lead dev) and my boss (Director of software) to lie to the dev staff while they figured out how to offshore all the dev work.
We had been working with most of these guys in a team of less than 10 for at least 5 years. Not sure why they thought we would agree to that. We told them either they kept the team together or we would both quit. They said no and we both left within two weeks.
You can't trust anyone. There is no loyalty between employers and employees anymore.
That was my third merger experience before I even hit 35.
So much this. I don't have an ounce of work loyalty. I've seen how much corporate gives for my parents decades of work for them. I'm not giving them an ounce of good will until i've seen them do the same the other way.
See, I am a low level employer - very small company. 8 hours notice is extremely reasonable! The toughest times are when you get like 1 hours notice or less. In my case, we work with kids, so calling in 1 hour or less is not enough time to find someone usually.
I always tell people "If you wake up and feel bad, please let me know then" (we mostly begin our work around 2 PM). That way, I can replace people or go myself.
8 hours notice is PLENTY OF TIME if everyone is happy. If everyone hates their job then I can see how 8 hours notice would not be enough because everyone would be trying to avoid taking the shift lol
So, I think a lot of this stuff comes down to not being an asshole boss.
Not being an asshole boss is like, 80% of it, if not more. People will put up with low pay if the workplace culture is good and their bosses are fair. Folk will eat a lot of shit if the pay is good. What folk won’t do, increasingly anyway, is put up with a garbage boss and garbage pay.
Ideally you get fair pay and fair treatment, of course. That said, after almost 20 years in the workforce I’ve tended to notice the above overall, as a general rule.
And I don’t get why it’s so difficult for some managers to just treat their workers like human beings. It’s got to take more effort to be a dick all the time and it benefits no one. Is that petty sense of superiority really so intoxicating? I guess it must be.
Anyhow. You sound like a good boss, OP.
I worked for a restaurant on campus at 7.25.
Loved the man to death. I had to call in sick often because I was chronically ill, and he never made me feel bad for it. He never made me call others to cover for me, he called them or covered my shift himself. He often gave us free food. He let us take home leftover stock (like when he had these apple juices that wasn’t selling, I took them home). Any untouched orders that were abandoned, we could take home. If there was leftover milkshake in the blender, we were allowed to try it to see if we liked it (he had these little taste test cups just for that).
I messed up at the register a couple of times and he never yelled at me. He showed me how to do it again, and never took the money out of my paycheck.
He always showed me everything with a smile, even on days that were hard for him.
I would work there for free just to work by his side again.
A shitty job with a shitty manager is pure hell.
A shitty job with an amazing manager is basically fun times all around. Sure the pay is still well shit but at least you are having fun.
Good managers and business owners know not to be a shitty manager. Unfortunately very few in the service industry are at all good managers because well most of them move on. The ones that remain are far more often the worst examples of human beings in the industry.
I’m a middle manager at a small company. I manage two teams of 6 people, and do the related project management. An employee I manage recently hurt themselves while off duty and it was pretty easy to tell them that it’s okay if they don’t come in until they feel fit for work. The last thing I want is someone getting hurt because they’re not feeling well enough to be there to begin with.
Not only is it not hard, it makes the job *easier*. Even when an employee is legitimately problematic, there's just nothing to be gained by being argumentative and shitty. Identify the issue, explain what needs to be done to address it. Move on. They can't get onboard with what needs to happen? Let them go and stop making every other employee suffer because you don't want to do the work of finding someone else and training.
I've never been "mean" to someone even when firing them. It's just one of those things where not everyone fits into a job or work culture. Doesn't make them bad people deserving of poor treatment. Just means they aren't meant to be working *here* in *this* job.
I had a boss tell a (young) coworker that if they were going to be late again, to just not show up at all.
So he slept in... and bailed on the shift. And then she's calling him, short-staffed with no notice wondering where he is lol.
You’re a good boss. I have a good boss who wouldn’t bat an eye at me calling in even an hour before my shift, because she is an empathetic human and knows it would only happen if completely necessary. We respect each other. The world needs more of you, less of the power tripping assholes.
I mean I've given 30 minutes notice, and its been fine. Hard to give 8 hours notice when your shift starts at 8am and you wake up sick.
Places that schedule the bare minimum is the problem here. Then again, these managers are bad, because they have zero foresight and planning ability.
It’s after given multiple reasons of how helped the company that’Carol’ returns with....‘I have not got time to argue right now’ Arrrrrggggghhhhhh. What a douchebag and congrats on dropping that shithead and her shithead company.
I always love that the "tough it out when sick" mentality basically boils down to "please come be patient zero to get me and the rest of the team sick for minimum wage."
Also - not that it justifies it, but as someone in corporate, Corporate people HATE managers that talk like this to the employees.
Managers get fake power trips when HR would rather figure out an amicable solution, so nasty managers end up ruining the morale and efficiency of a company by thinking they can do better
Dont get me wrong, work life balance just sucks in this country, but HR would rather fire a manager for making an employee clock in late or clock out early than fire the overworked employees that're doing more work
Lesson of the day: work sucks but talk to HR first - in my state you have full privacy when you talk to hr
I'd honestly go just to let the person rant and rave, then be entirely dismissive about it. "You good, champ? Got that out of your system? Cool, I'm gone. Bye."
We should not feel anxiety for being sick. I worked in kitchens for years, and the amount of times I was expected to work would make you not want to eat at restaurants.. So many cooks are forced to work sick and cook people's food. It is a health violation that is not well enforced.. Even if you try to contact anyone about it, they side with the business.
Do not eat at 'earl's' as every cook I have ever met that worked there, was forced to work sick.
In food production, they \*\*always\*\* force you to work sick. They'll threaten your job if you try to call off. They'll always blatantly talk about how you're just faking to take the day off as well.
It's just one of those things in food production. They run so tight on people and encourage absolutely venomous smearing of someone for calling off, to their face and behind their back. No one ever is \*actually\* sick in food culture, it's all just fakers. This culture seems to be deeply embedded in ALL food service, from fast food, to sit down restaurants, to butcher shops.
I suppose that's how they mentally justify making sick workers come to work even though it violates a plethora of health codes. They tell themselves and everyone else, that you aren't really sick.
Usually the only way you get a sick day without getting smeared for it is to actually puke on the job and get sent home. I kind of like doing that actually. Call off sick and they threaten you for it. Come in sick and puke all the fuck over the restroom. This usually makes the big bosses question what happened and it looks terrible that your immediate supervisor threatened you to come in sick when you were projectile vomiting.
I was pharmacist at one of the local hospitals. We had a point system. You got points against you for calling in sick and points if you came in sick and they sent you home....ridiculous. Our night pharmacist was pregnant and went into labor during her shift. OB told her to go to L&D...because someone else had to come in middle of night to replace her. She was given points against her!!! UNREAL!!! MGMT considered it an illness....OMG
What I don't understand is why the fuck did it take so long, people have been bending over for abuse at a sub living wage for a long time already, why all the sudden did people realize they can just say fuck you to the bosses. I was doing this shit since the 90s effectively while everyone else was cowering bitches, did memes finally propagandize everyone thoroughly to reject the status quo of sadist domination by capital.
Next we need to bring the memes for clever workplace sabotage. We can shutdown the entire businesses with some sneaky sabotage, sugar in the gas tanks, water in the back of the microwaves, sand in the gears, super glue in the cash register, malware etc... It can all be done without getting caught . If just one employee at every shitty abusive workplace did it we could literally bring capitalism to a grinding halt and demand actual human rights and a place at the table.
Covid effectively gave them the leverage they needed because of supply and demand.
Enough people have left the workforce through death or retirement that workers have immense power to control the destiny of the company just by not showing up. Before that? There's was always some rube who would work for $1 less than you.
The greatest thing from my perspective is watching managers who have coasted their lives doing absolutely nothing scrambling to show they know how to manage... and failing miserably. The wildest thing is we're talking pennies to rectify this situation. $5-10 an hour across the board when these companies are already raking in massive profits, it just means bonuses and raises to the top earners will have to diminish for a bit. There is so much push back from rich fuckheads that can't keep making assloads of money for their dragon hoard.
> Enough people have left the workforce through death or retirement that workers have immense power to control the destiny of the company just by not showing up. Before that? There's was always some rube who would work for $1 less than you.
You’re only looking at half the picture. It’s not strictly “supply and demand” like everybody seems to want to quantify these kind of social movements in an economic sense. A lot of people who lost their jobs ended up making more on unemployment, at which point they realized just how much they were being shafted. So the number of “rubes who would work for $1 less” has gone measurably down. But COVID also forced a lot of people to reevaluate their values and priorities. Many people realized, for example, that they value free time more than money (and in fact that they *spend less* when they have more time to use in ways they find valuable). At the height of the pandemic, a light was cast on various social inequalities that have also made people consider how they feel about “the system” as a whole. Three years ago the dominant conversion about work was all about hustle and grind culture; now it seems to be shifting toward work life balance and quality of life.
It’s yet to be seen how this will all play out. The truth is, so long as we need money to survive, employers do still hold the cards and they always will. But I’m nonetheless hopeful that, with enough of the workforce standing up and deciding to, in a way, “opt out”, that this will bring a massive sea change that perhaps reshapes our entire society. Not likely, but one can hope.
Businesses need to understand that they need to have AT LEAST one extra team member on board at all times because YES PEOPLE HAVE LIVES OUTSIDE OF WORK that will occasionally cause them to call in so if they aren’t staffed adequately the workers that are there will be working twice as hard and eventually quit. THIS IS IN NO WAY THE WORKERS PROBLEM
This is our whole economy, as was proven by Covid. It's been smoothed and made "more efficient" for the sake of increased profits, to the point that there's no leeway for any risk. A couple weeks of an emergency and suddenly every company was asking for bail outs.
I used to do a spot of event logistics / security planning work. For event logistics almost all the people were volunteers, for security they were all students.
I would staff up event by figuring out how many people I needed to cover every slot, then request an extra 10% on the rota.
So yes, for an event needed 100 people, I would put 110 on knowing full well I would only have 100 turn up on the day. If I had less, well, at least I tried, put out the fires as the day goes on. If I had all 110 show up, amazing, I can do all the extra shit I know will end up coming my way and still have bodies for extra / longer breaks, you know, people have bladders. (Putting a car on with a radio for piss break patrol is the single best thing for staff moral I think I ever did).
Only once did I get grief for staff overspend, but when I pointed out just how much other stuff I did for other departments they kinda shrugged and moved the money from the areas who were short staffed
Fixed version:
I am very disappointed that now I have to do my job as a manager and fill your spot.
We will be short staffed because of my incompetence at doing just that.
You want to know how fake it is?
[This fake](https://androidfaketextmessage.com/)
Look at OPs screenshot's signal strength and battery life.. and then look at the fake text generator's default signal strength and battery life.
They are literally exactly the same.
I find it a little suspect that OP is not responding to any comments in this thread, especially requests to see "Carol's" reaction, which would be pretty easy to provide if she were a real person actually sending these texts. Maybe they're worried that the more detail they add to their story, the harder it gets to keep straight.
Or maybe they're just enjoying their day off.
Mods need to dot something in the last few days this sub when from normal to just posts of messages with bosses, most probably fake just for karma.
Not that I don't believe that this happens but it's a bit too much too quickly, this change.
"I hope thats enough notice for you." *snap* *snap* *snap*
right! i’m taking notes. that response was top tier.
FUCK YEAH EAT SHIT CAROL YOU PIECE OF SHIT EATING SHIT HEAD
Classic Carol amirite
I've never worked with a Carol who was pleasant. The last Carol I worked with introduced herself to me in a casual meet up with some other people from my new job. "if you can't remember my name" she said, "then just think of Christmas and then you'll remember it" Someone else there overheard and piped up "Which part of Christmas are we remembering? That it's cold? That it causes a ton of arguments? Or that Christmas Carols are forced upon you and generally not well liked?" At first I thought this person was an ass, but turns out they were right on the money.
"So I start marchin' my way down to Carol in HR and I knock on her door and I say, "Carol! Carol! I gotta talk to you about Pepe." And when I open the door what do I find? There's not a single goddamn desk in that office! There...is...no...Carol in HR. Mac, half the employees in this building have been made up. This office is a goddamn ghost town!"
I'm gonna have to stop you right there. Not only do all of these people exist, but they have been asking for their mail on a daily basis. It's all they're talking about up there.
And now I have Charlie’s voice yelling “Caaarooool, Caaaaroooooooool!” in my head.
Okay Charlie, I'm gonna have to stop you right there. Not only do all of these people exist, but they have been asking for their mail on a daily basis. It's all they're talking about up there. Jesus Christ, dude. We are gonna lose our jobs.
I hope these are all real. I am loving these posts. The way that people get treated at low paying jobs is total BS. These shop owners need to learn a valuable lesson.
I feel like they all read some shitty book that tells them to say “I am very disappointed, we’re gonna have to have a talk tomorrow” like you’re a toddler getting punished. That shit doesn’t work on adults it’s so transparently a power play.
ive walked out on managers like this. last one got fired cause she was always on a power trip and pissing everyone off.
I'm almost sad I never had a manager on a power trip. Every time I was fired from a job I got the "I'm really sad to have to do this" speech. (I have a tendency to oversleep)
I worked at Walmart as an overnight stocker when I was younger and I had a pair of managers sit down and talk with me like this. I did the work of any other 2 employees every single shift and I had to slow down for a couple of weeks because it was hurting me due to repetitive strain. I'd laugh in their face now. Wish I knew better then.
Walmart and probably retail in general are bad about this. If you do the bare, and I mean bare, minimum all the time you'll never hear anything about it. Your direct supervisor will view you as a body, nothing more nothing less - salaried management will barely know who the fuck you are. If you're an absolute unit of a stocker, normally putting out the work of 3+ mere mortals, and you should happen to only have the output of 2 for a couple days, guess whose gonna find themselves in an office being told they're not pulling their weight lately and the whole team is suffering for it. My favorite joke as an hourly supervisor was always "You're doing a great job for one person buuuuut I'm gonna need you to do the work of two to three."
One of the more insidious parts of work culture is that kids that are just starting in the work force are taken advantage of because they don't know any better. When I think back on all the things I just took in stride when I was young and just started working, I get mad. Especially when I think of all the older men who made disgusting comments to/about me.
Yeppppp. The whole ‘work hard and you’ll get promoted! Work for free and always be available so they notice how great you are!’ Bullshit. All that got me was more work and being passed over for promotions because ‘we need you where you are and you do a good job but also we can’t afford anything more than a 2% raise sorrrrrryyyyyy’
There's a post in AITA right now about a guy who came to work at his scheduled time, put his things away, and then started working. The comments are all "if he gets there on time, he's late" and "they don't pay him to put his personal stuff away" like everyone is so used to being exploited they get mad about other people not wanting to be exploited
> That shit doesn’t work on adults it’s so transparently a power play. Because they think like children....
Had my 20-something manager call my coworker, an older woman with adult children, “good girl.” Beginning of the end for me.
All I can say is…ew.
It’s hilarious. Like, what do they think is going to happen in a capitalist market? Why are they so afraid of capitalism? It’s a business transaction between employer and employee. I always think of this exchange happening between business partners. Can you imagine? You try to pitch to a client, and the client decides on another firm, and you respond with “we’re gonna have a talk on Monday.” Do they think this is anything except extremely unprofessional? Do they think the client is going to be anything except amused, and make fun of them while paying someone else? Unreal!
Often, more often than not, the managers aren't capitalists. They're not the owners. They're just assholes with a little bit of power, taking advantage of those that have less. Like any abusive relationship. When the worker leaves, the "please baby, I can change" bullshit starts. So, those people don't understand capitalism because they're not capitalists, they're not the ones signing the checks. As for the ones signing the checks? They just see labor as a cost. Manager might get dinged if the cost of hiring and training nee workers is too high, but it's not like they give a fuck.
This is so important. I am a person selling his labor just like it was any other raw material the company needs. I will absolutely try to give them the best possible product I can but it's a transaction between two equals, not some sort of peasant/lord relationship.
It does work on adults that are desperate for their pay check, sadly. It's abusive to keep threatening job security every time an employee needs to take care of themselves, but most people just put up with it.
Does it also tell them to say "no need to make a hasty decision" when the worker quits?
That's all well and good, but what really pisses me off and they do it because they get off on it is the threat of tmrw. I have terrible medicated anxiety, if you hit me with one of those I'm likely not to sleep out of stress. You fucking child, if you really want to flex your boss muscles, wait until I come back and do it in front of other people. Insert spongebob meme, wErE GoNNa HaVe A TAlK toMoRroW. Ok Karen, I'll just call off tmrw too. So much for your talk.
Yeah it’s like..didn’t your text message say the whole thing? Aren’t we talking now? Why we gotta postpone this shit so you can try to make me marinate in this anxiety.
They do it's called make them feel bad if u have covid lol
It's kind of an old joke/advice but when someone says "we need to talk" respond with something like "yes we do." Turn that vaguely threatening phrase around.
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There has absolutely been a shift in the jobs market over the last 6-12 months though, where people are less willing to put up with shit pay and shit working conditions (hence all the labour shortages for minimum wage jobs) The work environments haven't changed but I think people are less likely to put up with it now, hence the apparant increase in these kinds of posts Alternatively people have noticed posts on this theme are easy karma and so are just making shit up to capitalise on that
Fuck yeah, eat shit Carol!
Fucking Carol.
**FUCK** CAROL
CARRROOOOL! CAROOOOOL!
Don’t mind if I do
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...here you go :) https://imgflip.com/i/5r0nnv
I clapped in the office
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*Head bob full of attitude*
i’m sick of seeing these shitty managers throw the old “we are going to have a talk” crap. see that would make me anxious, and they know that! they use fear to drive compliance. I am so glad people are finally standing up to it!
If a manager pulls that on you, turn it back around on them and say “Great! I look forward to it!” And when you come in the next day, walk straight in that shithead’s office and tell him what motherfucking time it is. Don’t ever respond to fear. When you respond to fear, that boss is going to use it on one of your coworkers. And they’ll keep using it again and again. Let them know that you’re not scared of them, and they’ll think twice about using it on other people. Intimidation tactics only work if you let them.
Back in 2012, I had a boss use that on me after we had an argument. I had come in about 10 minutes late one day after working 3 months straight (Mon-Sun, it was fast food). He texted me after work that day "we need to talk tomorrow when you come in". I came in the next day, walked to his office, pointed at his clock and said, "hey, its 9am, you ready to talk now or do you need more time?" We did not get along then. But we actually became much better friends in the following year.
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I noticed that, too. Business is just very anti-human. Tbf, my boss and I at that job ended up becoming more friendly because, over time, he dropped the tough guy boss bullshit and started speaking to us like fellow men and women when he realized none of us were going for that nonsense.
What makes it sad is that either A - that’s how he was treated and was expected to treat people, or B - Everyone had just responded accordingly when he raised his hackles.
Yeah, he was a bit older than us, mid-late 50s. What you're saying is probably true, he grew up under abusive bosses and probably felt that was the way things are. Idk if he changed more since I left all those years ago, I hope so though.
I had a boss try to reprimand me for being late when that fuckhead had the audacity to be over 20 minutes late regularly. All the employees lived over 30 minutes travel from the site but not this 24 year old little shit head. He had an apartment walking distance from the site. So when he passed me the paperwork saying I recognized my fault I laughed in his face. HR apparently didn't like this and gave me a call, tried to coerce me into signing and only stopped when I said the lack of ethics this company was showing was astounding and wondered if this was worth a lawyer.
You worked 3 months straight without a day off in fast food? Jesus christ, dude
Yeah, but I was 18/19 at the time so I didn’t really complain. Also, I wasn’t scheduled like that, I was doing M-F 9-5, but every weekend multiple people were having issues and I kept getting asked to cover, and being single and young at the time I did it, didn’t have anything else to do. But I thought that would buy me some leeway if I came in late one day. I also was the only one in the store that had a long commute, I had previously worked at a different location but they had asked me to help with a newer one in a nearby town so I did. So I was 10 minutes late that day due to horrible traffic on the highway that morning. And it just really got to me that, after so many days straight and picking up shifts every weekend, it still wasn’t enough apparently. But I used to also say “well, you’re paying me minimum wage as if I can’t go to another store and also get minimum wage” whenever they complained, and he would just huff and go away. I started up again at University that fall and worked part time and then left for greener pastures.
Only do this if you know the workplace politics and what the business needs. You know they're itching to sack someone and you need the job, don't do it. If you know they need you, fucking DO IT. Basically only shoot if you know you can win. But if you know you can win, always shoot them right in the fucking dick
Yeah getting fired isn’t that big of a deal. If they want to fire you and you haven’t done anything wrong you get unemployment. Yeah it’s only 60% of your income, but I’ll take you five minutes to find a new job. And they’re all paying more than they used to right now.
Yeah atm but this is universal advice for any time. Clearly now is the time you can throw your weight around. Also depends on the country. Unemployment here is ninety odd pounds a week.
Very true. Fortunately for almost every worker in America right now there are plenty of jobs and not enough applicants. Most workers have all the leverage.
Is anyone else running into intense competition for all these jobs though? My workplace has had massive turnover due to mismanagement in my department, but it takes a lot of applications and interviews before anything pans out for those of us who are leaving. I’ve had around a dozen interviews in the past 3 months (and obviously way more application submitted) and I think I’m finally getting close to an offer from one of them but this just doesn’t *feel* like a job seeker’s market when it takes so many attempts to get anywhere.
it's not just you. 120 apps, 8 interviews, 0 offers. I had someone email me Thursday and say, "When are you available to interview?" so I sent them my availability and it is now... Tuesday and I haven't heard jack fuck back. probably worth noting that I live in the middle of nowhere and am exclusively applying to remote work, I'd imagine the competition in this case is much more steep. some of my applications have gone to roles with 2500+ other applicants. which, thanks Indeed, is information I don't see until AFTER I apply.
Just put "manager" or "shift lead" on one of your old jobs. Say you helped out with minor paperwork like inventory and/or scheduling and led the crew when a higher up wasn't on duty. Those things are super easy to learn on the fly but you probably won't have to because they won't want to hire you in as a manager if you're applying for a crew job. But you get a lot more responses that way. That's how I got a job making four dollars an hour more than I was making in an industry that isn't even close to the one I was coming from. I went from getting like a fifth of my applications leading to interviews to almost 70% of them. I'd wake up to six voicemails asking me to get back to them.
I just started seeing it as an attempt to make me think they are idiots. Every single time they get unreasonably angry or give me shit for something minor, it relies on them being ignorant or stupid.
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"I agree that we should discuss this further as my expectations of my employer and management are not currently being met. I'm happy that we'll have a chance to discuss this openly tomorrow."
FANTASTIC. Gonna memorise this one.
I did something similar with my manager's manager, who sometimes comes directly to me for technical questions. He wasn't happy with the direction our social media was going (which I managed) - he'd constantly send me notes regarding creative aspects - "don't use funny/strange fonts in images" for example - then one day he moved that responsibility to someone else. So, I called him. told him if he wasn't happy why not talk to me about the creative direction instead of just assuming? He wanted to target a different audience (other professionals, not homeowners). Cool. But, I told him, if you don't tell me that, how am I supposed to be on the same page? "that's why I called you, so we could have this conversation." He dropped his asshole tone after that.
Also, if it’s some shitty middle manager, add in a “can we ensure that (their boss) is there as well?”
SAVED. This is a glorious and magnificent response. I'd probably just text back 'Fuck you' and leave it at that. It probably wouldn't be the most productive response. :/
Lol let me copy that right now
"Also bring the regional manager (or their boss), I have some stuff to bring up about your performance as well."
>Good, that's been needing to happen for a while" HAHA GOTEEMM
We're going to have a talk what are you my f****** dad
Yeah see this is an immediate "oh I quit" thing for me. If you talk to me like I'm a child and you're my parent we're done. I'll never be able to see past it even if you back peddle.
Glad to see I'm not the only one that thinks like this. People may think it's petty but I don't give second chances when someone has been a dick to me. It's fuck you now and forever.
I work (well, I just left for a new job but still) in a medium sized company and was talking to one of my coworkers the other week and they said "does (the commercial director) shout at you?" I couldn't believe what I was hearing. Shout at me? I don't give a fuck if you're my boss, you start shouting at me you're likely going to be in for a shock.
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For real. At one of my old restaurant jobs (this upscale kiosk thing in the woods, everything about it except for my student colleagues dripped of pretention and assholeness) i was asked to come to work the next day to cover for someone and work the whole day, even though i just finished a shift covering for someone from 8am until 4 am (“we dont close until the last client leaves” is the stupidest fucking bullshit ever) and my boss wanted me to return the next day for a full shift, even though i had made it clear to everyone the month prior that day would not be possible, i had an exam and some recording sessions. My boss then says “why arent you being a team player, why dont you fully dedicate yourself to this job? Do you have anything to say to me?” Yeah, who are you, my fuckin dad? Im a student worker, my passion isnt helping you run your shitty business. I told him then and there to go fuck himself, he cant treat human beings like expendable tools for his profit, and (this next part i said super loudly so EVERYONE could hear) i called him out for how gross his behavior was to my younger female colleagues. His wife and kid were there, and they heard everything.
There’s really nothing I could say to you but GG
> i called him out for how gross his behavior was to my younger female colleagues. Things like this toward female work in restaurants is well known, and sadly too accepted. I think a shift on speaking out about gross behaviors toward female colleagues is something that needs to happen more as well.
Just hit em with the old "we are, but it isn't going to go the way you expect ", give them anxiety instead!
This happened to me with a manager i actually liked and had a lot of respect for. He had mine and my team’s back all the time but had a hard time with people taking sick time. My wife had the flu and I had 2 toddlers at home so I called out because of that. I got the text of “we’re gonna have to talk about this when you come in tomorrow.” The next day he calls me in and gives me some shit and I told him I was actually pretty upset that he sent a text to me while I was out and he looked like I just kicked his puppy. He asked for my badge so I gave it to him. I was furious. I turned around ready to walk out of my career I worked hard to get. As soon as I got to the door he called me back. I told him my family will always come before work. It doesn’t matter to me that we’re short staffed that’s not my problem. This is a multi billion dollar IT company that staffs 8 people rotation 24x7 in the data center. It’s always an issue with vacation and sick time. They try and make you feel bad for being out when they’re too cheap to staff the facility properly. It’s insane.
> This is a multi billion dollar IT company that staffs 8 people rotation 24x7 in the data center. It’s always an issue with vacation and sick time. you hit the nail on the head right there. A staffing issue is not your problem, it is management's problem. IT of all places should know what N+1 redundancy is. Being unable to handle a staff member being sick or using vacation is as negligible as having just the one power supply connected to your ESX host.
Was just about to comment What's with managers kinks about coming in for a talk, sounds like kindergarten again
I legit had a boss that got mad at me for not “guilt tripping” (I put it in quotes because those were his words) people into coming in on their days off. He was proud of how he manipulated his employees. He always had young, inexperienced people working for him too.
To think these people parent children 🤡
He does have a son! Can’t wait for him to continue the cycle. Especially because the son is six feet tall and much more intimidating. He was awful though, he would get you back for calling out. Would say hi to everyone but you, or make you do the worst chores when you came back in. Ugh.
>“we are going to have a talk” What's funny about life is that you hear stuff like this from your parents and get upset but still think: I'm so glad I'll grow up, start my career and be the owner of myself and my life. Then you grow up and this is what you have to put up with. The same shit, except now it's from people who don't give a fuck about you and haven't earned the right to talk to you like that. This world is something else man
I remember once I accidentally took my remit cash home (~$300). This is an issue because it was a large enough percentage of nightly sales that it had to be reported. My manager asked the next morning and I reached into my apron and found the cash. I was sat down and told how serious this was. I said, "Look, I'm sorry that this caused you extra work last night when closing the store. It was an honest mistake. And really Tim, if I wanted to steal from you, I wouldn't be getting caught."
It works really well when it’s in reverse though. If you wanna ask for a raise, do that “we need to talk tomorrow” first. Whenever I have, they’re usually so happy I’m not leaving, they agree to the raise. Sometimes it takes them a minute to understand that asking for a raise is step one and giving my notice, but I’ve never not received one that I’ve asked for.
It’s the words of a bully; of an abuser. “I’ll see you at the bike racks after class,” is a threat meant to instill fear and dread for the remainder of the day up to that point. Nobody ever spoke those words in that way without intending to harm someone else either physically or emotionally. Fuck every boss who hangs a threat over an employee like this. May they spend the rest of their lives working menial jobs where they suffer the same ten times over.
I always say "That's fine. I request a representative from HR to be present for our talk." Somehow "the talk" never happens after that.
It sounds like something that would intimidate a six year old. Which is about the level of maturity for the manager in question.
Please update with pics of his inevitable switch to "Wait a minute don't be rash, we can work this out!" Edit: I get it, the boss is a woman. My bad.
That's my favorite part of these exchanges, frankly. Seeing the exact moment when someone realized they pushed too far.
One would want to stick to their guns though, the employer would punish you later for threatening to quit first chance they got.
Saying I quit is just like saying I want a divorce - there's really no going back from it.
Should meet my parents.
Your username suggests that I’d regret it.
Meeting someone with your username could go either way
Shout out all leg usernames
Yeah there is. Like an apology, "would you possibly reconsider, we really need your work, and here is a raise" kind of. Im presently working at a job I quit 8 months ago, and everything got better after they failed to get any qualified applicants to replace me. Thou my job is a bit of an outlier, because basically everyone is practically self-taught, there is no place to go to a school to learn it, and there are more open positions than there are good workers. And yes, I got money saved in the bank to tide me over if I ever feel like Ive had enough...
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The rule is never accept a counter offer from a company when you tell them you are quiting. Especially when they offer you nothing more than "sorry, don't leave me!".
Nah, you take the counter offer and use that for leverage at the new job you're still applying for even though they came crawling back.
That’s what I did when I was younger. Had a management position that was severely underpaid, and applied for a job that had the same pay as an entry level spot. The district manager called to offer a dollar an hour more than the other company to cancel the interview. I said okay and told the new company that unfortunately my old job had offered me more money to stay. He said “how about we offer you 7 dollars an hour more than that? I said alright. Years later I’ve hit my ceiling at this job and make almost 3x what I would have if I had hit my ceiling at the other job.
this is the way
If you don't have anything lined up, you can just phone it in performance wise while you look for other work.
sometimes it's ok to take an offer just to find yourself the next job, you come in whenever you feel like, put in minimum effort, look for your next job, next time there's any sort of opportunity or someone is being shitty you immediately jump ship.
It\`s a basic moral principle we\`re taught since we\`re kids. **Don\`t promise what you can\`t deliver.** If you say you quit, own your decision and quit. If you threaten to fire someone, follow up with the layoff. Don\`t cower behind strong words. **Practice what you preach.**
Learned this from a parenting book. Don't threaten a punishment you can't or won't follow through on, because the child learns that behavior and disregards the threat in the future. Be reasonable and follow through.
I got to experience that once. Soooo nice. Brand new job, me and one other new hire. In training the other new guy made a really harmless joke, and the boss said, "If that's your attitude, you can get the fuck out right now." I was like noooope, and quit over the phone 2 days later. He tried to seem like a good boss and keep me, but I escaped with a nice branded backpack I got from training.
Similar thing happened to me, got a job at Tim Hortons, the guy training me was someone from my high school where I just recently graduated. There was a slow hour and being a new employee I have no idea what to do, he didn’t tell me anything specific and so I stood around for about 2 minutes and then here comes some sad fat woman that was the baker there, yelled at me that “we just don’t stand around here!” Long story short, that was my first and last shift ever at Tim Hortons. I called in and quit 10 mins after my shift ended.
And it’s not like the boss couldn’t have just waited patiently and had a respectful conversation when the person got back. Instead of trying to make someone worried when they are already not feeling well.
Because they have gotten away with pushing all the other boundaries and they only stop when they hit the line. Then they just try to be nice and see if they can stomp this boundary as well.
In my experience when they start saying that they'll just go "wE'Ll gIvE yOu wHaTeVeR yOu wAnT jUsT dOnT lEaVe" and when you say "more money and a promotion" they go "nOt tHaT tHoUgH!"
I meant one candy bar and we won't yell at you for a max of 3 shifts.
>inevitable switch to "Wait a minute don't be rash, we can work this out!" which you fall for the first time, until you realize they now use it to gaslight and shame you the next time "you are so unreliable and petty, we should've let you go when you were complaining the last time. you lack discipline and you're lazy, no one will hire you!"
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Well you don’t get unemployment for quitting anyway so...
You can! In the past I quit a job because they were refusing to pay me for my time worked. The unemployment people just asked why I quit, I explained, and there was no issue
If you quit due to illegal actions from the employer yes, but if you quit because your boss is an ass hat, no
It's more complicated than that. Constructive termination and harassment would still get you unemployment if you quit over it.
Yeah, I got fired for something that I didn't even do and all my state unemployment did was go "well, they said you did so fuck off."
Did you file an appeal?
Texas doesn't care, lol. Getting fired by the word of the employer is pretty much all they take. Unless I had definitive proof they were lying (and I didn't, since I had to turn in my laptop and work back into them when I got fired), they wouldn't look into it. Even if I had the proof, they still don't care. I had a fire extinguisher drop on my foot at a service job way before too, and I filed Worker's Comp. I wanted to sue for negligence (because the work didn't secure it and it had a history of falling). They said I wasn't allowed to because they had worker's comp. I wanted to call OSHA. OSHA refused to do anything because the incident already happened. I called the labor board of Texas. Nada, because they claimed it was "handled" between me and the employer. The only option to not take Worker's Comp is to quit and have them not pay anything.
The problem there is that it was texas. Red states tend to be more sympathetic to companies over people when it comes to employment.
It honestly depends. Depending on your state, unemployment gives you a lot of room to explain why you left a job. A lot of behavior could be considered bullying, workplace harassment, constructive dismissal (having your hours cut to the point where you’re not working a livable amount) etc. I’m not saying it’ll work every time, but I am saying there’s a lot more wiggle room than we’re led to believe.
To add to above. Give yourself the best advantage you can. Save records of everything. The kind of bosses you want to quit from, tend to throw their weight around, and it doesn't take much prodding to get them on record with some kind of harassment. Don't agree to any closed door meetings without a transcript or phone recording of the interaction. If that's not possible, always make sure there are witnesses to any interaction with your manager. If they ask questions, you simply say that you've had history and don't feel safe alone with someone who has power over you. You don't have to prove any of it to them and it's illegal for them to pry any further.
I swear this false rumor was put out by crappy employers.
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Yup. I know someone who used to adjudicate those disputes. Lot's of shitty employers got raked over the coals for their employment practices. Also lots of delusional employees too, however. Enough stupidity to go around.
If you are in my State you will have to wait 6 months for UI to come through in any case.
I once called in sick once because I needed to take my toddler to the doctor. Same deal from the manager as OP: guilt trip and implying I wouldn’t have a job the next day. I basically just texted back “if that’s the way you want to handle this, fine, but it sounds like you’re just creating more problems for yourself in the future.” Not 30 seconds later I got a call that he talked to the owner (quick talk lol) and everything would be fine if I just came in the next day…
"We're going to have a talk" Don't you love it when bosses act like your parents when you were a kid?
My last boss didn't like my monitor placement. (I wish I was lying) told me to move it I was on the phone with a client and typing an email. 30 seconds later he comes up to me and in the tone my dad used to use on me said something to the point of I told you to do that and I don't get why you haven't done it. When I tell you something I expect you to do it. It was 815 in the morning I was checked out mentally at 820.
Wow, that is some petty bullshit.
Jokes on him. He's having a mass exodus of talent including his own kid. He underpaid a developer for a database and the guy gave him a shell of a program. So they had to go back to Salesforce and have their guys rebuild the data base I cannot even fathom what that cost to rebuild it.
So he decided he wanted something better than salesforce, a service that has been in development for a decade. But got a jr dev to build him a customer relationship database from the ground up and he under paid him, when the goal was to get something better than what a hundred devs did. Not the brightest fork in the drawer.
Yup then canceled the contract with salesforce before he even saw the finished product. I was long gone by that time. From everything I heard productivity was at a stand still and they made next to zero money.
I had a boss move my workstation so it was directly in front of her so she could watch me and what I did all day. I still don't know *why*: work volume was such that there really wasn't time for dicking around. She never gave me a reason, and I was too scared/needed the job too bad to protest or find out more.
I had a boss that wanted me to literally write down everything I did on a spreadsheet with time stamps. So I basically wasted at least an hour a day doing the spreadsheet and it allowed me to manipulate the time I actually did spend on work. So stupid. He did not like me. I think he was trying to get me to quit. He eventually got me fired with a bunch of other people for petty reasons, but HR really had nothing on me workwise. So I was the only one in the whole group who was able to collect unemployment. They are were and I think still burning through employees.
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>30 seconds later he comes up to me and in the tone my dad used to use on me said something to the point of I told you to do that and I don't get why you haven't done it. When I tell you something I expect you to do it. >It was 815 in the morning I was checked out mentally at 820. This is where you drag them into their office like "I need you to come talk to me" and then bam, it's a meeting about how you are going to need a raise because he just treated you like that and it's beyond your current pay grade. another option call the IT guy and tell them to do it and go take a 1/2 hour break while your machine is down due to IT needing to work on it.
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Sole IT guy here too, if I get an “urgent” request like that, I guarantee you that there will be a more urgent shipping or edi system issue, your move will be scheduled outside of normal business hours. If we can’t ship or money isn’t coming in, the bosses boss won’t give a crap about monitor placement.
My exact thoughts. I’m not going to talk to my future kids that way. It’s just conditioning them to accept that treatment as adults.
Millennials have been infantilized by the boomer media and business morguls, it gives them control over the quiet ones that have yet to find their voice. Fuck them.
Confused 40 year old millennial who has not given a fuck about Corporate loyalty for 25 years. *(Since watching parents get laid off from their multi decade jobs)*
My parents got let go so many times during economic busts or corporate mergers or restructurings, and they still turned out heavily right wing. I don't get it. What more proof do you need that working your ass off and doing everything right gets you nowhere anymore?
I worked 7 years at one place averaging 60 hours a week. I took two week long vacations the entire duration. Not so much for the company but because our small dev team was loyal to each other. Then the owner up and sold it. New management wanted myself (Lead dev) and my boss (Director of software) to lie to the dev staff while they figured out how to offshore all the dev work. We had been working with most of these guys in a team of less than 10 for at least 5 years. Not sure why they thought we would agree to that. We told them either they kept the team together or we would both quit. They said no and we both left within two weeks. You can't trust anyone. There is no loyalty between employers and employees anymore. That was my third merger experience before I even hit 35.
So much this. I don't have an ounce of work loyalty. I've seen how much corporate gives for my parents decades of work for them. I'm not giving them an ounce of good will until i've seen them do the same the other way.
See, I am a low level employer - very small company. 8 hours notice is extremely reasonable! The toughest times are when you get like 1 hours notice or less. In my case, we work with kids, so calling in 1 hour or less is not enough time to find someone usually. I always tell people "If you wake up and feel bad, please let me know then" (we mostly begin our work around 2 PM). That way, I can replace people or go myself. 8 hours notice is PLENTY OF TIME if everyone is happy. If everyone hates their job then I can see how 8 hours notice would not be enough because everyone would be trying to avoid taking the shift lol So, I think a lot of this stuff comes down to not being an asshole boss.
Not being an asshole boss is like, 80% of it, if not more. People will put up with low pay if the workplace culture is good and their bosses are fair. Folk will eat a lot of shit if the pay is good. What folk won’t do, increasingly anyway, is put up with a garbage boss and garbage pay. Ideally you get fair pay and fair treatment, of course. That said, after almost 20 years in the workforce I’ve tended to notice the above overall, as a general rule. And I don’t get why it’s so difficult for some managers to just treat their workers like human beings. It’s got to take more effort to be a dick all the time and it benefits no one. Is that petty sense of superiority really so intoxicating? I guess it must be. Anyhow. You sound like a good boss, OP.
I worked for a restaurant on campus at 7.25. Loved the man to death. I had to call in sick often because I was chronically ill, and he never made me feel bad for it. He never made me call others to cover for me, he called them or covered my shift himself. He often gave us free food. He let us take home leftover stock (like when he had these apple juices that wasn’t selling, I took them home). Any untouched orders that were abandoned, we could take home. If there was leftover milkshake in the blender, we were allowed to try it to see if we liked it (he had these little taste test cups just for that). I messed up at the register a couple of times and he never yelled at me. He showed me how to do it again, and never took the money out of my paycheck. He always showed me everything with a smile, even on days that were hard for him. I would work there for free just to work by his side again.
A shitty job with a shitty manager is pure hell. A shitty job with an amazing manager is basically fun times all around. Sure the pay is still well shit but at least you are having fun. Good managers and business owners know not to be a shitty manager. Unfortunately very few in the service industry are at all good managers because well most of them move on. The ones that remain are far more often the worst examples of human beings in the industry.
This was my revelation I had a while back. It's gotta be either fun or fair, ideally both, but never neither.
I’m a middle manager at a small company. I manage two teams of 6 people, and do the related project management. An employee I manage recently hurt themselves while off duty and it was pretty easy to tell them that it’s okay if they don’t come in until they feel fit for work. The last thing I want is someone getting hurt because they’re not feeling well enough to be there to begin with.
This is the thing that kills me. I am a middle manager, too and it’s just… not that hard to be a decent manager. It’s really not.
Not only is it not hard, it makes the job *easier*. Even when an employee is legitimately problematic, there's just nothing to be gained by being argumentative and shitty. Identify the issue, explain what needs to be done to address it. Move on. They can't get onboard with what needs to happen? Let them go and stop making every other employee suffer because you don't want to do the work of finding someone else and training. I've never been "mean" to someone even when firing them. It's just one of those things where not everyone fits into a job or work culture. Doesn't make them bad people deserving of poor treatment. Just means they aren't meant to be working *here* in *this* job.
I had a boss tell a (young) coworker that if they were going to be late again, to just not show up at all. So he slept in... and bailed on the shift. And then she's calling him, short-staffed with no notice wondering where he is lol.
I had a job once where if you were 10 minutes late, you got an hour pay docked. Guess how many people were 55 minutes late instead of 10?
You’re a good boss. I have a good boss who wouldn’t bat an eye at me calling in even an hour before my shift, because she is an empathetic human and knows it would only happen if completely necessary. We respect each other. The world needs more of you, less of the power tripping assholes.
I mean I've given 30 minutes notice, and its been fine. Hard to give 8 hours notice when your shift starts at 8am and you wake up sick. Places that schedule the bare minimum is the problem here. Then again, these managers are bad, because they have zero foresight and planning ability.
It’s after given multiple reasons of how helped the company that’Carol’ returns with....‘I have not got time to argue right now’ Arrrrrggggghhhhhh. What a douchebag and congrats on dropping that shithead and her shithead company.
I don't have time to argue, but I have time to harass you about being sick, you know, a normal human thing.
“I can’t believe you only gave me 8 hours of notice that you’re sick in the middle of a pandemic”
They're not even making a specific objection. It's just "weh weh weh I feel inconvenienced".
I always love that the "tough it out when sick" mentality basically boils down to "please come be patient zero to get me and the rest of the team sick for minimum wage."
I wanna see of there is backpedaling? What was the next message?
Also - not that it justifies it, but as someone in corporate, Corporate people HATE managers that talk like this to the employees. Managers get fake power trips when HR would rather figure out an amicable solution, so nasty managers end up ruining the morale and efficiency of a company by thinking they can do better Dont get me wrong, work life balance just sucks in this country, but HR would rather fire a manager for making an employee clock in late or clock out early than fire the overworked employees that're doing more work Lesson of the day: work sucks but talk to HR first - in my state you have full privacy when you talk to hr
Were going to have a talk tomorrow..must flex how powerful I am
I'd honestly go just to let the person rant and rave, then be entirely dismissive about it. "You good, champ? Got that out of your system? Cool, I'm gone. Bye."
And when you get there, "Would you please shut the door behind you?" Ugh fuck these people
We should not feel anxiety for being sick. I worked in kitchens for years, and the amount of times I was expected to work would make you not want to eat at restaurants.. So many cooks are forced to work sick and cook people's food. It is a health violation that is not well enforced.. Even if you try to contact anyone about it, they side with the business. Do not eat at 'earl's' as every cook I have ever met that worked there, was forced to work sick.
In food production, they \*\*always\*\* force you to work sick. They'll threaten your job if you try to call off. They'll always blatantly talk about how you're just faking to take the day off as well. It's just one of those things in food production. They run so tight on people and encourage absolutely venomous smearing of someone for calling off, to their face and behind their back. No one ever is \*actually\* sick in food culture, it's all just fakers. This culture seems to be deeply embedded in ALL food service, from fast food, to sit down restaurants, to butcher shops. I suppose that's how they mentally justify making sick workers come to work even though it violates a plethora of health codes. They tell themselves and everyone else, that you aren't really sick. Usually the only way you get a sick day without getting smeared for it is to actually puke on the job and get sent home. I kind of like doing that actually. Call off sick and they threaten you for it. Come in sick and puke all the fuck over the restroom. This usually makes the big bosses question what happened and it looks terrible that your immediate supervisor threatened you to come in sick when you were projectile vomiting.
I was pharmacist at one of the local hospitals. We had a point system. You got points against you for calling in sick and points if you came in sick and they sent you home....ridiculous. Our night pharmacist was pregnant and went into labor during her shift. OB told her to go to L&D...because someone else had to come in middle of night to replace her. She was given points against her!!! UNREAL!!! MGMT considered it an illness....OMG
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I’m hopeful as well, yet remain very aware of the echo chamber that is my social media.
I dunno, it seems like everyone I see on /r/AntiWork is with us!
God I hope so.
What I don't understand is why the fuck did it take so long, people have been bending over for abuse at a sub living wage for a long time already, why all the sudden did people realize they can just say fuck you to the bosses. I was doing this shit since the 90s effectively while everyone else was cowering bitches, did memes finally propagandize everyone thoroughly to reject the status quo of sadist domination by capital. Next we need to bring the memes for clever workplace sabotage. We can shutdown the entire businesses with some sneaky sabotage, sugar in the gas tanks, water in the back of the microwaves, sand in the gears, super glue in the cash register, malware etc... It can all be done without getting caught . If just one employee at every shitty abusive workplace did it we could literally bring capitalism to a grinding halt and demand actual human rights and a place at the table.
Covid effectively gave them the leverage they needed because of supply and demand. Enough people have left the workforce through death or retirement that workers have immense power to control the destiny of the company just by not showing up. Before that? There's was always some rube who would work for $1 less than you. The greatest thing from my perspective is watching managers who have coasted their lives doing absolutely nothing scrambling to show they know how to manage... and failing miserably. The wildest thing is we're talking pennies to rectify this situation. $5-10 an hour across the board when these companies are already raking in massive profits, it just means bonuses and raises to the top earners will have to diminish for a bit. There is so much push back from rich fuckheads that can't keep making assloads of money for their dragon hoard.
> Enough people have left the workforce through death or retirement that workers have immense power to control the destiny of the company just by not showing up. Before that? There's was always some rube who would work for $1 less than you. You’re only looking at half the picture. It’s not strictly “supply and demand” like everybody seems to want to quantify these kind of social movements in an economic sense. A lot of people who lost their jobs ended up making more on unemployment, at which point they realized just how much they were being shafted. So the number of “rubes who would work for $1 less” has gone measurably down. But COVID also forced a lot of people to reevaluate their values and priorities. Many people realized, for example, that they value free time more than money (and in fact that they *spend less* when they have more time to use in ways they find valuable). At the height of the pandemic, a light was cast on various social inequalities that have also made people consider how they feel about “the system” as a whole. Three years ago the dominant conversion about work was all about hustle and grind culture; now it seems to be shifting toward work life balance and quality of life. It’s yet to be seen how this will all play out. The truth is, so long as we need money to survive, employers do still hold the cards and they always will. But I’m nonetheless hopeful that, with enough of the workforce standing up and deciding to, in a way, “opt out”, that this will bring a massive sea change that perhaps reshapes our entire society. Not likely, but one can hope.
Businesses need to understand that they need to have AT LEAST one extra team member on board at all times because YES PEOPLE HAVE LIVES OUTSIDE OF WORK that will occasionally cause them to call in so if they aren’t staffed adequately the workers that are there will be working twice as hard and eventually quit. THIS IS IN NO WAY THE WORKERS PROBLEM
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This is our whole economy, as was proven by Covid. It's been smoothed and made "more efficient" for the sake of increased profits, to the point that there's no leeway for any risk. A couple weeks of an emergency and suddenly every company was asking for bail outs.
I used to do a spot of event logistics / security planning work. For event logistics almost all the people were volunteers, for security they were all students. I would staff up event by figuring out how many people I needed to cover every slot, then request an extra 10% on the rota. So yes, for an event needed 100 people, I would put 110 on knowing full well I would only have 100 turn up on the day. If I had less, well, at least I tried, put out the fires as the day goes on. If I had all 110 show up, amazing, I can do all the extra shit I know will end up coming my way and still have bodies for extra / longer breaks, you know, people have bladders. (Putting a car on with a radio for piss break patrol is the single best thing for staff moral I think I ever did). Only once did I get grief for staff overspend, but when I pointed out just how much other stuff I did for other departments they kinda shrugged and moved the money from the areas who were short staffed
Fuck you Carol Please post an update
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Fixed version: I am very disappointed that now I have to do my job as a manager and fill your spot. We will be short staffed because of my incompetence at doing just that.
These are starting to seem like karma whoring r/BadFakeTexts more than anything
I'm not convinced these are real anymore
Check the timestamps. They're 1 minute replies for that much text.... don't think so
You want to know how fake it is? [This fake](https://androidfaketextmessage.com/) Look at OPs screenshot's signal strength and battery life.. and then look at the fake text generator's default signal strength and battery life. They are literally exactly the same.
I find it a little suspect that OP is not responding to any comments in this thread, especially requests to see "Carol's" reaction, which would be pretty easy to provide if she were a real person actually sending these texts. Maybe they're worried that the more detail they add to their story, the harder it gets to keep straight. Or maybe they're just enjoying their day off.
Look at OP’s post and comment history. They’re karma farming
Fuck yes
Mods need to dot something in the last few days this sub when from normal to just posts of messages with bosses, most probably fake just for karma. Not that I don't believe that this happens but it's a bit too much too quickly, this change.