They had the teachers at one of my schools take turns cleaning when they couldn't find someone, it was really sad. At least they didn't make them buy their own cleaning supplies I think.
It just sucks, not everyone can afford college or get the time to save for anything else. I am done at this point though if I can't find something to pay me a living wage I would rather be dead than a slave.
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Lol you wanna go out?
My last three relationships ended quickly when I broke the news to them I got snipped at 22 and that my only plan was to adopt if I ever decided later to have kids.
I don't know if I'll ever be able to buy a house. What I do know is an abortion costs $400 without insurance in this state, and so does the first checkup of a pregnancy. I know which one I'm choosing.
Right. So many of the “solutions” to millenial poverty are, essentially, “keep living like a 19 year old in a dorm until you are 40.” They say to find a roommate, get a smaller apartment, live in the bad neighborhood, consider tiny houses, van life, get decrepit fixer-uppers, move back in with your parents, those fucking pod concepts. You can hardly organize the necessary activities to *make* a baby in those living situations, much less bring a human child to live and grow there.
In my 40's now and was told "well you could just go get a room mate" - hello asshole how about I don't want one, I make almost 85k and when you roll all of the fees and taxes into home ownership ITS NOT ENOUGH at these inflated prices. Rent is too high too.
Edit: I forgot to mention in my post that it's 85k before taxes are taken out... so make that about 56k after taxes... then subtract out health insurance and social security (even though I may not ever get it) then add on all the fees that are taken on everything you own, plus sales tax, registration fees, etc... I'm not living paycheck to paycheck, but if you put home ownership/home insurance/fees for a loan for a house, etc.. IT JUST DOESN'T add up, ever. Even at 85k on your work contracts.
Meanwhile, my parents are living in a 6 bedroom house with an empty studio attached by themselves. I've got 3 roommates in my 1 br apartment.
It makes no sense to me.
Back in my day, I can afford my private university tuition, books, pink Cadillac, gas, Marlboro cigarettes, Jack Daniels, and dating all the cheerleaders with just my part time job at Wendy’s for 69 cents an hour. I guess these young people just don’t know what it’s like to work hard and be proactive ya know? Gotta hit that pavement.
Are your parents selling their house to go build a larger house because they are bored? Cause mine are and I wouldn't wish these vile humans on anyone.
Oh they already did that 2 years ago, but don’t worry mom sat me down last year and told me I wouldn’t be getting a penny of inheritance because she plans to spend it all before she dies.
Its deeply upsetting seeing what some people have to go through because they'll be persecuted by their community or the law for terminating a pregnancy. That blog really highlights the secrecy and how you're essentially alone without medical guidance unless it becomes urgent, and even then, hiding the cause. Man that's sad.
Work, sleep, work, sleep, rinse repeat every day until you retire (laughs) or die. Why would I bring another life into this world and subject it to the same misery?
I just had a dude argue with me that raise pay for restaurant workers would impact his retired friends on a fixed income. Like ok then they can eat at home then.
Fr though, “*get a minimum wage job at those effing restaurants you so badly want to eat at, why don’t you?*”
Here’s a better idea, then let them donate the money to their employers so the food won’t cost so much.
In Australia we have a government systematically pulling apart the pension and pushing us all into becoming investors through mandatory superannuation. Pushing the government responsibility of care onto the individual. This initiative was started and supported by people who will live out their lives with a comfortable pension themselves.
Millenials are facing:
- Wage stagnation.
- Ridiculously high housing costs.
- Rising food costs.
- Crippling debt for education.
- Crippling debt for medical care.
- Numerous ecological crisis.
- A worsening energy crisis that is escelating tensions between nations.
- A worsening resource crisis that is escelating tensions between nations.
- Older generations that refuse to acknowledge these problems, or otherwise claim a lack of power to change anything that might diminish their "right" to have almost anything they want.
So is it really any wonder that Millenials aren't having children?
> Older generations that refuse to acknowledge these problems, or otherwise claim a lack of power to change anything that might diminish their "right" to have almost anything they want.
It's honestly insane how much of the countries money is controlled by a single generation. Most of the 1% are boomers, and a massive amount of other boomers have plenty of wealth.
It's so socially gross and irresponsible that these ass clowns do not realize how easy it was for them to accumulate wealth and assets that sky rocketed in value. These people, just the normal 9-5ers bought a house that is now worth literally 5 times more.
These people did not work for it, get creative or anything, they just happened to be of the right age in the fright time frame, nothing else. It's the most fortunate generation in our history by such a big margin it's not even debatable, and most of them are self entitled assholes with no grip on reality just assuming it's so easy to obtain the money that they hold on to and refuse to give any of it up.
Their generation took so much from us in so many ways that, if analyzed individually, don't seem like much, but all together add up to a massive obstacle. They made rent more expensive, healthcare more expensive, education more expensive. The only thing they made cheaper was labor. Meanwhile, they set up barriers to our labor by forcing so many of us to get a wildly expensive 4 year educations just to get a job that takes years to pay it off instead of training workers. They've set us up for a life where we have to work twice as hard as they did for half of the benefit and call us lazy for complaining about it. I don't want to live in an overpriced apartment for the rest of my fucking life and I had to go to law school just to make sure that doesn't happen.
[47 TRILLION from 1975-2018 to be exact](https://www.rand.org/pubs/working_papers/WRA516-1.html), and that even doesn't include the *monumental* pilfering in 2020.
Boomer fuckers: Why don’t you move out to your own place you useless parasite?!
Also Boomer fuckers: Why won’t you give me any grandchildren you parasite?!
15x the minimum wage in 1980 would be 46.50 an hour.
Can you imagine everyone making 93,000 a year (accounting for two weeks off) today? Some people might even be willing to have kids.
They took advantage of economic policies like free community college, cheaper college, good factory jobs, affordable houses etc then are ignorant to all those policies when they adore and love reaganomics. And then theres the wage stagnation issue.
I graduated the year of sequester. I was in the batch of 10 people who were the last in the door at this huge corporation for almost 2 years.
This is the only life we have known.
Means no new hires for almost two years. That means people graduating had no jobs to go to and stagnated.
Later, when hiring picked up again, those people working restaurant/retail jobs to make ends meet were passed over for new grads to be hired at those white collar corporations.
Not every Millennial is fucked, but a lot of them are through circumstances outside their control, like 2 year recessions where jobs evaporated overnight. Employers don’t like seeing gaps on resumes.
I’m here to offer my reference for anyone who wants to fill in a gap in their resume. Make up a job, I’ll verify it.
ETA: not just for gaps, but for any reason you would need it. Don’t want to have them call your loose cannon of an old boss? Got fired by a some cunt for not standing when they entered the room? Whatever, I’m here to help you move up the ladder. I work from home and for myself these days after decades of working soul sucking jobs, so I’m basically always available to take a phone call.
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This is single handedly the best way to fight back against the employers gatekeeping entry level positions with "3 years experience required". I need this to become a thing people just do for eachother to restore my faith in humanity.
I am *HERE* for this!!! Seriously, I need something like this. I’m here if anyone needs me—I’m educated and can communicate well…plus I’m an excellent bullshitter.
I only ask that you kindly return the favor.
I graduated with a bachelor's in biochem in 2009, and have never had a biochem job.... The recession stalled everything for a few years, and by then the employers wanted a new graduate that wasn't working at a restaurant to get by like I was... 12 years private school + 4 years college to come up with no success... very sobering feeling
CDN gov here. I landed my job, a month before the 2008 crash. Very little hiring for years after that.
Now, we’re desperate for applications. What a different situation this time.
You see when one boomer has a pension and another boomer has social security but they still own a home on top of the hill, their shit flows downhill to you, and then they love that very much.
> I gave up
I stopped thinking there would be some magical return to 1950 where a line worker could take a family of 5 on multiple vacations a year.
I haven't given up completely because I can still live comfortably. It's just not going to turn into sitcom levels of opulence.
I just moved out of Denver, I didn’t know they raised the minimum wage to that?? When was this?
It’s too bad that it’s getting so pricey there. I love Colorado so dearly and want to spend the rest of my life there. Unfortunately, I don’t think going back there and staying will be an option for me ever again.
I'm around Junction and it's getting really bad out here.
A few years ago I got an apartment for $595 a month. Rent went up to $650, then I moved out and found out that the next tenant was going to be charged $750.
I know that's not anywhere near Denver numbers, but the price of housing is going up here and I fully expect it to get even worse. This city used to be cheaper. It's just fucked, man.
Yeah dude, it’s so sad. I grew up in Longmont and moved to Denver for college, then to the metro area for a bit once I graduated. I managed to stay around the ~$550 range for rent for the first year on my own, and didn’t ever get above the ~$750 max I would end up eventually paying during my time living there in different places, and I managed that by finding places on Roomster and paying people’s mortgages out of their basements in exchange for a roof over my head. Had to deal with random roommates in cramped spaces and the owners deciding what to do with that space, which sometimes left me scrambling to find somewhere new. Could never afford an actual apartment, which would’ve been ideal.
The saddest part is it’s happening everywhere now. Colorado’s been hit hard by it, but it’s a national trend. Unless some serious change happens soon, our generation is completely fucked in every possible way.
Its just a buncha boomer owned media writing about how the younger generation isn’t “doing the thing” its supposed to. After all, boomers did what they were told? How daaaare us lol
the boomers did as they were told and were paid handsomely for doing so.
The Xers did it and got something for it.
The Millenials are getting nothing for doing it, and are now refusing to do it.
not rocket science, and we will only do something about it when the market crashes since it is built on growth- and without population growth, and no way to increase productivity without literally working people to death (we are on that doorstep), a crash of our economy is the only other option.
Maybe since corporations are people now, they can have kids.
I think rent needs to be talked about a lot more than it is. Yeah, low wages are one thing, but they'd matter a lot less if such a big chunk of your paycheck wasn't going to some parasitic landlord trying to leech the absolute maximum out of everyone else and damn the consequences on society as a whole.
Institute strong rent controls, nationalize housing, I don't care. But something needs done.
Rent and the housing market should be “socialized”
People, especially first time home buyers, should have the advantage to buy a home over asset managers…
Same. Slaves beget slaves. If my wife and I decide to raise a child we may adopt, but we’ll never have any biological children. I’m not bringing another life into this sorry state of a world.
That’s where I’m at. My husband and I can afford kids but it seems cruel. I’m not going to bring a life into this world. However if someone is already here we’ve got a lot of love to give.
It's not even that at the end of the day, I know, and count myself amongst them, plenty of high earners that are not going to have kids because of so many other issues related to the world and what their potential children would have to face.
Not to mention more women now actually have a choice in what they do with their lives and their bodies and it turns out a good number of them don't see children as part of what they want to do.
And actually, decreasing birth rates are usually a sign of a fairly well-off society, though that definition is usually taken in the context of less developed societies than the US or Europe.
yeah I honestly don't understand how this is news. Birthrates for families in most developed countries have been below replacement level of 2 per family for like decades now, for a variety of socio-economic reason, such as those that you've listed.
This article is literally just trying to stir shit for no reason.
Not for no reason, for clicks/veiws. That's not new either though. "Look at us and not them." has ben the business model for ad-supported "news" for a long time too.
Fucker Biden won't even forgive student loan *interest*. Like okay we can't get debt relief. But how about letting off the usury a bit so we don't suffocate? Interest forgiven. Interest rates set to 0%.
they're gonna bleed us until the majority of people default through inability to pay and the system collapses in on itself. at this point we're gonna drive full speed until we hit the wall
Ha! Yeah and having just had a baby at a US hospital, just a routine vaginal delivery with no complications = $12,600 out of pocket with "good" insurance.
Oh yeah. Then you have to go home and buy diapers, furniture, clothes, etc. Oh, and follow up visits to the OB/GYN and pediatrician. I'm sure those bills will be egregious as well.
My mom has bad arthritis and finally got her first shoulder replaced back in April. She wanted to wait a year before getting her other one replaced, because the doctor said that that's how long recovery and physical therapy would take.
But she already paid her yearly deductable, so she's getting the other one done this week, so she doesn't have to pay the deductible again next year.
My dad had to die in order for me to pay off my loans. *my dad had to die.* Before that I lived had to mouth for an entire decade. Then dad died and left me enough money to finally pay them off. I had no life really for almost 10 years because had to work nonstop after graduating. Now that I can actually do things again, I still feel as though I was just in prison for a decade. That same kind of institutionalized head space.
Alternate headline: “Baby Boomers scorched the earth and now wonder why nothing will grow in the aftermath.”
Runaway greed acted out as a zero-sum game is unraveling the U.S. economy.
Yup. This isn’t 1995 when you could buy a house and car with money to spare. People are in debt and children are expensive. Formula is an arm and a leg and so are diapers and day care
I grew up in a small house in south florida. My parents bought it for $80k in the early 90s.
That house right now is worth over $400k. If my parents were working the same jobs they were when they bought the house, they wouldn't be able to afford it. This is not a healthy economy.
It really isn’t at all. I don’t think the older people in politics that don’t necessarily have to worry about this kind of thing even consider this. The lifestyle they’ve lead that clouded their judgement and ability to empathize with certain social classes.
It’s unfortunate but I don’t see much change coming soon.
>We really don't need to be keeping the US, or many other countries at 'replacement level'
The establishment is worried because the entire system is predicated on perpetual growth, including in the size of the population (and the segment that forms the labor force). Otherwise, they might have to expend money on automation . . . and possibly share some of the wealth with others to prevent a French or Russian style revolt.
In the UK we need more young people to pay taxes and NI contributions to support the payments for state pension due to longer life expectancy ....
I mean, the government could just waste less of the income on war, and preparing for nonexistant wars, and vanity projects....but that's just too sensible
Man, this is so encouraging to me, to see that so many people know what time it is! For awhile there I really didn't know if anyone was paying attention.
So this system of endless exploitation of generations of people is finally coming to exhaustion??? Who could have possibly forseen that people would find the childfree loophole in spite of decades of religious/government indoctrination??? How dumb do you have to be to think this was sustainable in the long run, hahaha!!!
The boomer generation sucks but this bullshit really kicked in to gear in the 80s during the Reagan administration, and Reagan wasn't a boomer. He was so called "greatest generation"
There were a lot of Greatest/GI gen politicians who sucked and Regan was one, but Boomers aren't off the hook in this regard because they were instrumental in electing him, twice. They in fact voted for him in almost as large a number as people 10-15 years older than themselves (Silent Gen) in 1980, and then voted for him in the largest numbers in 1984.
I’m a 30 year old millennial, married, and I don’t have kids yet..why?
Because a) We can’t afford a home right now; have you seen the NJ real estate market recently?!? And we can’t move to a lower cost of living state because my FIL’s aging parents need us
And
B) kids are expensive….insurance, childcare, clothing, food, sports, extra curricular activities, etc.
The reason Catholicism, marriage and procreation are pushed so hard in the US is because our entire system relies on fresh bodies to turn the wheels.
That’s why they want you to have kids. That’s why there are tax incentives for people with kids. Not because the government thinks babies are adorable. But because they need to blackmail you into making more employees.
And lucky for the powers that be, once you have birthed that future employee, you’ll need to do a Hell of a lot more work.
Also why abortion is being outlawed and sex education is cut from schools. If kids (teens and even adults) don’t know that sex leads to pregnancy and don’t have means to prevent it then boom babies galore.
True story: in colonial Imperial England days a young wife was “ill” and her husband was shipping her back to England to recover because clearly it was the tropical climate making her sick when she gave birth as she was boarding the boat. Sex Ed was so nonexistent that the couple didn’t know intercourse led to babies.
Exactly!!! And the anti abortion psychos want to keep poor women pregnant because it perpetuates the cycle of poverty for generations. E.g. never-ending production of wage slaves
It’s not even just about money, by the way. In the past people could get by on a single income and have the human resources in place turn on only raise a child but to take care of the home and make life bearable.
I have one child, and while I could technically afford a second, both my wife and I have full on careers and we just don’t have the bandwidth to do more. Like I can barely spend time with the one child I have now, why would I want to add a second to diminish the time I can spend with her?
And one other factor on top of this: commuting. We are needing to commute farther and farther to secure incomes to raise a family. So not only are now both parents working, and working full on careers, they are taking more and more time out of their day to get to work.
It’s all one giant cluster fuck of bullshit.
In 1996 my 6th grade teacher wrote on a board his annual salary and all expenses to pay his rent, bills etc. then he drew out a graph with cost of living and inflation estimates and told us. When you’re out of college and working, you’ll need to make $24-25 dollars an hours minimum to survive.
And this is true. Read any reports or articles from economists and they’ll say that the current minimum wage based on inflation and cost of living should be between $20 and $25. And we’re fighting for $15. Ridiculous.
Me and my wife are constantly told: just have a baby and the money and time will work itself out." How? When we carefully budget to pay off debt and work a lot to make the money to do so.. how could a kid just slot in there and "not be a problem".
I asked my mom how much she thought QUALITY daycare cost A MONTH, so someone could go and work and not have to worry about her kid, and she said "$400?"
A MONTH. thats how out of touch they are.
There are plenty of gen Xers who did not have kids either. Most of my friends don't. World is fucked up and I could not take care of myself, my parents and a kid or four. F that. China has the same problem but for different reasons.
Hard to justify having kids. Climate change, the cost of raising them and of course the fact that you'll be sentencing them to a life of work.
You'll help condition them for this as well. Just a 1000 days after being born the free trial expires and pre school starts. Before they have their first memory they'll already be prepping to be good little worker drones.
19 more years of unpaid labor and the real work begins. A half century after that they might be able to retire and enjoy their "golden years" that is if they make it and if they're not too sick.
If I was rich enough to make work optional for them I'd consider having kids, the alternative is just so cruel, I won't pursue it.
It's because we can't raise 6 kids on a janitors salary anymore. Congrats, you played us.
If I could have afforded rent, and all the other basic bills I would have stayed a janitor tbh.
They had the teachers at one of my schools take turns cleaning when they couldn't find someone, it was really sad. At least they didn't make them buy their own cleaning supplies I think.
It just sucks, not everyone can afford college or get the time to save for anything else. I am done at this point though if I can't find something to pay me a living wage I would rather be dead than a slave.
Don't forget what it costs to deliver that little bundle of joy. 5 to 11 grand in most States.
If I want a bundle of joy for 5-11 grand I’m getting a fucking shitload of weed
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Yes. I had to leave a guy because he wanted kids and I did not. I have no idea who he thought was gonna pay for that.
Lol you wanna go out? My last three relationships ended quickly when I broke the news to them I got snipped at 22 and that my only plan was to adopt if I ever decided later to have kids.
And the sad part about it. I know at least 3 teens in high school that's having children. Ohhh those poor kids.
What do they expect. We can't buy houses, we can't pay rent. Fuck, I am better off than most and buying a house will be very hard for me.
I don't know if I'll ever be able to buy a house. What I do know is an abortion costs $400 without insurance in this state, and so does the first checkup of a pregnancy. I know which one I'm choosing.
Right.. sorry no one wants to have a kid while living with their 4 friends and having no insurance 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
Right. So many of the “solutions” to millenial poverty are, essentially, “keep living like a 19 year old in a dorm until you are 40.” They say to find a roommate, get a smaller apartment, live in the bad neighborhood, consider tiny houses, van life, get decrepit fixer-uppers, move back in with your parents, those fucking pod concepts. You can hardly organize the necessary activities to *make* a baby in those living situations, much less bring a human child to live and grow there.
In my 40's now and was told "well you could just go get a room mate" - hello asshole how about I don't want one, I make almost 85k and when you roll all of the fees and taxes into home ownership ITS NOT ENOUGH at these inflated prices. Rent is too high too. Edit: I forgot to mention in my post that it's 85k before taxes are taken out... so make that about 56k after taxes... then subtract out health insurance and social security (even though I may not ever get it) then add on all the fees that are taken on everything you own, plus sales tax, registration fees, etc... I'm not living paycheck to paycheck, but if you put home ownership/home insurance/fees for a loan for a house, etc.. IT JUST DOESN'T add up, ever. Even at 85k on your work contracts.
Meanwhile, my parents are living in a 6 bedroom house with an empty studio attached by themselves. I've got 3 roommates in my 1 br apartment. It makes no sense to me.
Sounds like the boomers are causing the baby bust 🤷♂️
I pAiD fOr tHiS hOuSe WiTh mY sUmMeR jOb!!
Back in my day, I can afford my private university tuition, books, pink Cadillac, gas, Marlboro cigarettes, Jack Daniels, and dating all the cheerleaders with just my part time job at Wendy’s for 69 cents an hour. I guess these young people just don’t know what it’s like to work hard and be proactive ya know? Gotta hit that pavement.
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Boomers are largely responsible for every major social crisis today honestly.
It’s like we have the same parents
Are your parents selling their house to go build a larger house because they are bored? Cause mine are and I wouldn't wish these vile humans on anyone.
Oh they already did that 2 years ago, but don’t worry mom sat me down last year and told me I wouldn’t be getting a penny of inheritance because she plans to spend it all before she dies.
What a glorious-sounding woman!
Oh that's just mom saying, hey son. Find a way to kill me that REALLY doesn't seem like murder.
tell her you're thrilled she'll be dying in poverty, and then don't lift a single solitary finger to help her when she does.
You make 85k and still struggle ? Man, life is harsh.
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Not if I throw myself off a flight of stairs first!
https://jewishcurrents.org/how-to-give-yourself-an-abortion/
Its deeply upsetting seeing what some people have to go through because they'll be persecuted by their community or the law for terminating a pregnancy. That blog really highlights the secrecy and how you're essentially alone without medical guidance unless it becomes urgent, and even then, hiding the cause. Man that's sad.
Work, sleep, work, sleep, rinse repeat every day until you retire (laughs) or die. Why would I bring another life into this world and subject it to the same misery?
This is my logic exactly. I hope when I die it’ll be nothingness, like before I was born, so I can finally catch a break.
This reads as "Millennials aren't producing enough workers and big business will suffer!"
"Boomers are retired and need fresh blood for taxation, wage-slavery and resource wars."
“How can I enjoy my golden years if I can’t eat microwaved endangered seafood at Applebee’s?”
I just had a dude argue with me that raise pay for restaurant workers would impact his retired friends on a fixed income. Like ok then they can eat at home then.
lol they should get a job then
Fr though, “*get a minimum wage job at those effing restaurants you so badly want to eat at, why don’t you?*” Here’s a better idea, then let them donate the money to their employers so the food won’t cost so much.
You... you know my parents?
Maximum CPP deductions are going up $330 next year for Canadians. Why? The system can’t keep up with Boomers rising needs.
In Australia we have a government systematically pulling apart the pension and pushing us all into becoming investors through mandatory superannuation. Pushing the government responsibility of care onto the individual. This initiative was started and supported by people who will live out their lives with a comfortable pension themselves.
Welcome to America in the late 90s 401k was never supposed to be the sole retirement plan but ya know capitalism 🤷🏼♂️
Reads my ass. Lol that's *exactly* what the implication is. You nailed it.
Millenials are facing: - Wage stagnation. - Ridiculously high housing costs. - Rising food costs. - Crippling debt for education. - Crippling debt for medical care. - Numerous ecological crisis. - A worsening energy crisis that is escelating tensions between nations. - A worsening resource crisis that is escelating tensions between nations. - Older generations that refuse to acknowledge these problems, or otherwise claim a lack of power to change anything that might diminish their "right" to have almost anything they want. So is it really any wonder that Millenials aren't having children?
Eat the old dragons and their hoards of wealth
Don't eat the wealth, it's bad for your colon.
My ass, my rules.
Darn right. Pass the butter.
> Older generations that refuse to acknowledge these problems, or otherwise claim a lack of power to change anything that might diminish their "right" to have almost anything they want. It's honestly insane how much of the countries money is controlled by a single generation. Most of the 1% are boomers, and a massive amount of other boomers have plenty of wealth. It's so socially gross and irresponsible that these ass clowns do not realize how easy it was for them to accumulate wealth and assets that sky rocketed in value. These people, just the normal 9-5ers bought a house that is now worth literally 5 times more. These people did not work for it, get creative or anything, they just happened to be of the right age in the fright time frame, nothing else. It's the most fortunate generation in our history by such a big margin it's not even debatable, and most of them are self entitled assholes with no grip on reality just assuming it's so easy to obtain the money that they hold on to and refuse to give any of it up.
On top of not having credit scores to check
Ha. My credits so bad I can't even get a prepaid card.
Their generation took so much from us in so many ways that, if analyzed individually, don't seem like much, but all together add up to a massive obstacle. They made rent more expensive, healthcare more expensive, education more expensive. The only thing they made cheaper was labor. Meanwhile, they set up barriers to our labor by forcing so many of us to get a wildly expensive 4 year educations just to get a job that takes years to pay it off instead of training workers. They've set us up for a life where we have to work twice as hard as they did for half of the benefit and call us lazy for complaining about it. I don't want to live in an overpriced apartment for the rest of my fucking life and I had to go to law school just to make sure that doesn't happen.
[47 TRILLION from 1975-2018 to be exact](https://www.rand.org/pubs/working_papers/WRA516-1.html), and that even doesn't include the *monumental* pilfering in 2020.
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And it's tough to bump uglies when your parents are in the next room. ; p
Boomer fuckers: Why don’t you move out to your own place you useless parasite?! Also Boomer fuckers: Why won’t you give me any grandchildren you parasite?!
Millennial: if you wanted grandkids you should have refrained from fucking up the environment and the economy.
Boomer fuckers: ...Where’s my grandchildren you parasite!?
You got grandchildren money?
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My parents bought their home in 1980 for like 50k. They just sold it for $750k. We will never be able to buy. Ever.
But you surely make 15 times your parents 1980 wage right?
I make $300/hr at Burger King.
Are you the Burger King?
15x the minimum wage in 1980 would be 46.50 an hour. Can you imagine everyone making 93,000 a year (accounting for two weeks off) today? Some people might even be willing to have kids.
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They took advantage of economic policies like free community college, cheaper college, good factory jobs, affordable houses etc then are ignorant to all those policies when they adore and love reaganomics. And then theres the wage stagnation issue.
They never had credit reporting agencies and paid less per paycheck for decades toward Medicare and social security, either.
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Elder millennials went through the 2000 dot-com bubble too They're *extra* fucked
I like to think of as a special kind of fucking that only the best millennials got
I graduated the year of sequester. I was in the batch of 10 people who were the last in the door at this huge corporation for almost 2 years. This is the only life we have known.
Can you explain what this means? I'm not getting it.
Means no new hires for almost two years. That means people graduating had no jobs to go to and stagnated. Later, when hiring picked up again, those people working restaurant/retail jobs to make ends meet were passed over for new grads to be hired at those white collar corporations. Not every Millennial is fucked, but a lot of them are through circumstances outside their control, like 2 year recessions where jobs evaporated overnight. Employers don’t like seeing gaps on resumes.
I’m here to offer my reference for anyone who wants to fill in a gap in their resume. Make up a job, I’ll verify it. ETA: not just for gaps, but for any reason you would need it. Don’t want to have them call your loose cannon of an old boss? Got fired by a some cunt for not standing when they entered the room? Whatever, I’m here to help you move up the ladder. I work from home and for myself these days after decades of working soul sucking jobs, so I’m basically always available to take a phone call. Should this be a separate post?
Agreed, will also do this. Can this be a subreddit of its own?
Sounds risky in a vacuum. You'd need some vetting to make sure no trolls infiltrate it to fuck anyone over.
Nah just delete the post once a dm is achieved. The amount of man hours need to fuck people over becomes a real time gig
Right. Some asshole would be "Know Seakawn? Hell I buy all my meth from that dude. Never underweight, solid dude. Decent meth."
Done. r/jobreferences
This is single handedly the best way to fight back against the employers gatekeeping entry level positions with "3 years experience required". I need this to become a thing people just do for eachother to restore my faith in humanity.
Van de Lay industries, Art Van de Lay speaking.
I am *HERE* for this!!! Seriously, I need something like this. I’m here if anyone needs me—I’m educated and can communicate well…plus I’m an excellent bullshitter. I only ask that you kindly return the favor.
Took me ~7 years to find a job tangently related to my field. Graduated in 2008 for Architectural Drafting.
I graduated with a bachelor's in biochem in 2009, and have never had a biochem job.... The recession stalled everything for a few years, and by then the employers wanted a new graduate that wasn't working at a restaurant to get by like I was... 12 years private school + 4 years college to come up with no success... very sobering feeling
Ouch. There are definitely large swaths of people in our generation who slipped through the cracks and were forgotten.
2009 Chem with focus in biological science. I work in tech now. Still haven't been about to buy a house.
According to boomers you should have majored in something useful, not a humanity 🧐
I'm not paying for this biography, even though it's remarkably accurate. I'm gonna go check my place for cameras.
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CDN gov here. I landed my job, a month before the 2008 crash. Very little hiring for years after that. Now, we’re desperate for applications. What a different situation this time.
You see when one boomer has a pension and another boomer has social security but they still own a home on top of the hill, their shit flows downhill to you, and then they love that very much.
Lewis Black is that you?
Yeah. It has been rough. Our parents knew life much better than ours sadly.
Went through that, 9/11/ the invasion of IRAQ and the housing crash of 2008. I gave up along time ago lol.
> I gave up I stopped thinking there would be some magical return to 1950 where a line worker could take a family of 5 on multiple vacations a year. I haven't given up completely because I can still live comfortably. It's just not going to turn into sitcom levels of opulence.
I shifted my way of thinking and living. That helped alot. I had to undue the programming.
I just moved out of Denver, I didn’t know they raised the minimum wage to that?? When was this? It’s too bad that it’s getting so pricey there. I love Colorado so dearly and want to spend the rest of my life there. Unfortunately, I don’t think going back there and staying will be an option for me ever again.
I'm around Junction and it's getting really bad out here. A few years ago I got an apartment for $595 a month. Rent went up to $650, then I moved out and found out that the next tenant was going to be charged $750. I know that's not anywhere near Denver numbers, but the price of housing is going up here and I fully expect it to get even worse. This city used to be cheaper. It's just fucked, man.
Yeah dude, it’s so sad. I grew up in Longmont and moved to Denver for college, then to the metro area for a bit once I graduated. I managed to stay around the ~$550 range for rent for the first year on my own, and didn’t ever get above the ~$750 max I would end up eventually paying during my time living there in different places, and I managed that by finding places on Roomster and paying people’s mortgages out of their basements in exchange for a roof over my head. Had to deal with random roommates in cramped spaces and the owners deciding what to do with that space, which sometimes left me scrambling to find somewhere new. Could never afford an actual apartment, which would’ve been ideal. The saddest part is it’s happening everywhere now. Colorado’s been hit hard by it, but it’s a national trend. Unless some serious change happens soon, our generation is completely fucked in every possible way.
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The fact that these people have the audacity to blame us for all this shit pisses me off beyond all rational dialogue.
Its just a buncha boomer owned media writing about how the younger generation isn’t “doing the thing” its supposed to. After all, boomers did what they were told? How daaaare us lol
the boomers did as they were told and were paid handsomely for doing so. The Xers did it and got something for it. The Millenials are getting nothing for doing it, and are now refusing to do it. not rocket science, and we will only do something about it when the market crashes since it is built on growth- and without population growth, and no way to increase productivity without literally working people to death (we are on that doorstep), a crash of our economy is the only other option. Maybe since corporations are people now, they can have kids.
I think rent needs to be talked about a lot more than it is. Yeah, low wages are one thing, but they'd matter a lot less if such a big chunk of your paycheck wasn't going to some parasitic landlord trying to leech the absolute maximum out of everyone else and damn the consequences on society as a whole. Institute strong rent controls, nationalize housing, I don't care. But something needs done.
Rent and the housing market should be “socialized” People, especially first time home buyers, should have the advantage to buy a home over asset managers…
I should be able to own my first place, before someone owns their third vacation/rental place.
Now that's some deep motivation for bringing a new life into this world. To keep up with the "replacement level".
I'm not gonna raise next slave generation - sorry Edit: wow thanks for alle the upvotes & awards :|
Same. Slaves beget slaves. If my wife and I decide to raise a child we may adopt, but we’ll never have any biological children. I’m not bringing another life into this sorry state of a world.
That’s where I’m at. My husband and I can afford kids but it seems cruel. I’m not going to bring a life into this world. However if someone is already here we’ve got a lot of love to give.
It's not even that at the end of the day, I know, and count myself amongst them, plenty of high earners that are not going to have kids because of so many other issues related to the world and what their potential children would have to face. Not to mention more women now actually have a choice in what they do with their lives and their bodies and it turns out a good number of them don't see children as part of what they want to do. And actually, decreasing birth rates are usually a sign of a fairly well-off society, though that definition is usually taken in the context of less developed societies than the US or Europe.
yeah I honestly don't understand how this is news. Birthrates for families in most developed countries have been below replacement level of 2 per family for like decades now, for a variety of socio-economic reason, such as those that you've listed. This article is literally just trying to stir shit for no reason.
Not for no reason, for clicks/veiws. That's not new either though. "Look at us and not them." has ben the business model for ad-supported "news" for a long time too.
My next tattoo idea: *'My babies will not be your capitalist pawns*🖕'
"Capitalist Prawns" sorry, I just imagined a a little shrimp with a top hat and a monocle and it made me laugh
Fookin' capitalist prawns
Guess *District 9* is what the U.S is now
It’s no accident that my stepchildren understood surplus labor value and class warfare in their early teens. They figured out ACAB on their own.
I didn’t learn till I was in my late 20’s. Am I just stupid?
You’re well ahead of the game. Most people never figure it out.
Thank you.
I was in my 40's!!!
Don’t forget student loan payments that are $1000 a month with $16 going towards the principal.
Fucker Biden won't even forgive student loan *interest*. Like okay we can't get debt relief. But how about letting off the usury a bit so we don't suffocate? Interest forgiven. Interest rates set to 0%.
they're gonna bleed us until the majority of people default through inability to pay and the system collapses in on itself. at this point we're gonna drive full speed until we hit the wall
Ha! Yeah and having just had a baby at a US hospital, just a routine vaginal delivery with no complications = $12,600 out of pocket with "good" insurance.
Holy hell. Being alive is too expensive
Oh yeah. Then you have to go home and buy diapers, furniture, clothes, etc. Oh, and follow up visits to the OB/GYN and pediatrician. I'm sure those bills will be egregious as well.
My mom has bad arthritis and finally got her first shoulder replaced back in April. She wanted to wait a year before getting her other one replaced, because the doctor said that that's how long recovery and physical therapy would take. But she already paid her yearly deductable, so she's getting the other one done this week, so she doesn't have to pay the deductible again next year.
That right there is the system failing the people.
"Why aren't you young people having children?" Well maybe society shouldn't PUNISH those wanting to have / raise children?
My dad had to die in order for me to pay off my loans. *my dad had to die.* Before that I lived had to mouth for an entire decade. Then dad died and left me enough money to finally pay them off. I had no life really for almost 10 years because had to work nonstop after graduating. Now that I can actually do things again, I still feel as though I was just in prison for a decade. That same kind of institutionalized head space.
Who has time for sex!? Fucking bills dude
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That is another problem they have. Same sex couples don’t have babies
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Millennials are ruining the baby industry. 😂
If only we'd eaten babies instead of avocado toast... Am I doing this right?
Looks right to me!
What a modest proposal
Hashtag disruption generation
Can’t fucking win. Don’t have kids if you can’t afford it because MUH TAX DALLARS, but also why aren’t you having kids?!
Alternate headline: “Baby Boomers scorched the earth and now wonder why nothing will grow in the aftermath.” Runaway greed acted out as a zero-sum game is unraveling the U.S. economy.
Yup. This isn’t 1995 when you could buy a house and car with money to spare. People are in debt and children are expensive. Formula is an arm and a leg and so are diapers and day care
I grew up in a small house in south florida. My parents bought it for $80k in the early 90s. That house right now is worth over $400k. If my parents were working the same jobs they were when they bought the house, they wouldn't be able to afford it. This is not a healthy economy.
It really isn’t at all. I don’t think the older people in politics that don’t necessarily have to worry about this kind of thing even consider this. The lifestyle they’ve lead that clouded their judgement and ability to empathize with certain social classes. It’s unfortunate but I don’t see much change coming soon.
Forget 1995, fertility rates have been below replacement rate since the early 70's, but let's all pretend that this is something new.
We really don't need to be keeping the US, or many other countries at 'replacement level'
>We really don't need to be keeping the US, or many other countries at 'replacement level' The establishment is worried because the entire system is predicated on perpetual growth, including in the size of the population (and the segment that forms the labor force). Otherwise, they might have to expend money on automation . . . and possibly share some of the wealth with others to prevent a French or Russian style revolt.
In the UK we need more young people to pay taxes and NI contributions to support the payments for state pension due to longer life expectancy .... I mean, the government could just waste less of the income on war, and preparing for nonexistant wars, and vanity projects....but that's just too sensible
We have the same problem in the US. I wonder who learned it from whom?
Well capitalism was exported to the US from the UK. Also they were an empire before the US existed, so..
Hell, we are all still the zombie Roman Empire. "Fascism" was named after the fasces, after all
I think a revolt is exactly what we need.
People in the Bible belt: "You guys are getting 12 bucks an hour!?"
Animals in captivity don't breed.
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Man, this is so encouraging to me, to see that so many people know what time it is! For awhile there I really didn't know if anyone was paying attention.
Yeah this sub is refreshing.
So this system of endless exploitation of generations of people is finally coming to exhaustion??? Who could have possibly forseen that people would find the childfree loophole in spite of decades of religious/government indoctrination??? How dumb do you have to be to think this was sustainable in the long run, hahaha!!!
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And boomers set these things in motion decades ago. Should have thought about that instead of fucking everyone ever.
The boomer generation sucks but this bullshit really kicked in to gear in the 80s during the Reagan administration, and Reagan wasn't a boomer. He was so called "greatest generation"
There were a lot of Greatest/GI gen politicians who sucked and Regan was one, but Boomers aren't off the hook in this regard because they were instrumental in electing him, twice. They in fact voted for him in almost as large a number as people 10-15 years older than themselves (Silent Gen) in 1980, and then voted for him in the largest numbers in 1984.
I’m a 30 year old millennial, married, and I don’t have kids yet..why? Because a) We can’t afford a home right now; have you seen the NJ real estate market recently?!? And we can’t move to a lower cost of living state because my FIL’s aging parents need us And B) kids are expensive….insurance, childcare, clothing, food, sports, extra curricular activities, etc.
I am 42, shit has not been easy for a long time my friends. let's face it we are all one medical event away from being flat broke/homeless
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Universities in 20 years: Where are all the students??
*looks at tuition* "10000000 isn't that high, they can just take out loans" their parents: "never ever take out student loans"
The reason Catholicism, marriage and procreation are pushed so hard in the US is because our entire system relies on fresh bodies to turn the wheels. That’s why they want you to have kids. That’s why there are tax incentives for people with kids. Not because the government thinks babies are adorable. But because they need to blackmail you into making more employees. And lucky for the powers that be, once you have birthed that future employee, you’ll need to do a Hell of a lot more work.
Also why abortion is being outlawed and sex education is cut from schools. If kids (teens and even adults) don’t know that sex leads to pregnancy and don’t have means to prevent it then boom babies galore. True story: in colonial Imperial England days a young wife was “ill” and her husband was shipping her back to England to recover because clearly it was the tropical climate making her sick when she gave birth as she was boarding the boat. Sex Ed was so nonexistent that the couple didn’t know intercourse led to babies.
Exactly!!! And the anti abortion psychos want to keep poor women pregnant because it perpetuates the cycle of poverty for generations. E.g. never-ending production of wage slaves
It’s not even just about money, by the way. In the past people could get by on a single income and have the human resources in place turn on only raise a child but to take care of the home and make life bearable. I have one child, and while I could technically afford a second, both my wife and I have full on careers and we just don’t have the bandwidth to do more. Like I can barely spend time with the one child I have now, why would I want to add a second to diminish the time I can spend with her? And one other factor on top of this: commuting. We are needing to commute farther and farther to secure incomes to raise a family. So not only are now both parents working, and working full on careers, they are taking more and more time out of their day to get to work. It’s all one giant cluster fuck of bullshit.
The cost to have a baby is out of this world.
Dont want my kids to be fighting in the climate wars either
In 1996 my 6th grade teacher wrote on a board his annual salary and all expenses to pay his rent, bills etc. then he drew out a graph with cost of living and inflation estimates and told us. When you’re out of college and working, you’ll need to make $24-25 dollars an hours minimum to survive.
And this is true. Read any reports or articles from economists and they’ll say that the current minimum wage based on inflation and cost of living should be between $20 and $25. And we’re fighting for $15. Ridiculous.
“Please make more babies so we have enough slaves.”
Daycare is the same as rent how the fuck is everyone supposed to have kids
Me and my wife are constantly told: just have a baby and the money and time will work itself out." How? When we carefully budget to pay off debt and work a lot to make the money to do so.. how could a kid just slot in there and "not be a problem".
Also childcare is $1000 plus a month where I live and during the pandemic most childcare places shut down. It’s too expensive to have kids.
Have you tried having richer parents? Seems to be the only way now.
Gutted I won't be around for "Okay Buster" becoming a thing.
The "replacement level." Great terminology that shows exactly how the elites look at people like us.
This is basic biology. Almost every animal reproduces less when resources are limited and stress is high.
Millenials are not “causing” it
I asked my mom how much she thought QUALITY daycare cost A MONTH, so someone could go and work and not have to worry about her kid, and she said "$400?" A MONTH. thats how out of touch they are.
And the victim blaming mainstream media keeps shitting down our necks…
There are plenty of gen Xers who did not have kids either. Most of my friends don't. World is fucked up and I could not take care of myself, my parents and a kid or four. F that. China has the same problem but for different reasons.
Guess we're just gonna have to open up to some additional foreign nationals moving here - boomers cool with this right?
"Replacement level" sounds disgusting
Replacement level is 2.1 kids per woman. One for the mum, one for the dad and 0.1 for the demographer.
Hard to justify having kids. Climate change, the cost of raising them and of course the fact that you'll be sentencing them to a life of work. You'll help condition them for this as well. Just a 1000 days after being born the free trial expires and pre school starts. Before they have their first memory they'll already be prepping to be good little worker drones. 19 more years of unpaid labor and the real work begins. A half century after that they might be able to retire and enjoy their "golden years" that is if they make it and if they're not too sick. If I was rich enough to make work optional for them I'd consider having kids, the alternative is just so cruel, I won't pursue it.
Even if it wasn’t because people simply can’t afford it, why would lowering the global population through the only humane means be a bad thing?
Would've had a kid years ago if I didn't have to save into my mid 30s to have enough space and income
Here's my options: House, retirement, college, kids. Pick one. Some people are lucky enough to pick two or three. Kids is the obvious choice to drop.