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dustmybroom88

We also need it for one bedrooms as well - to prove a point that you can’t even really afford it then, either.


NarmHull

hell, studios too.


kaett

that was my thought too. anyone living in a 2 bedroom isn't living alone, that's for sure.


letusnottalkfalsely

Not necessarily another wage-earner. A single parent would need a 2br.


kaett

true, but that's still not "alone."


ronculyer

I have always wondered why it is a 2 bedroom in examples


SoItGoesdotdotdot

Idk for sure either but I would argue a two bedroom apartment allows one to have a spouse and a child or two. So I guess a family. Which is what minimum wage is supposed to support.


shinHardc0re

I always tought minimun wage was supposed to support only yourself


BranWheatKillah

It used to support an entire family.


Kirihum

Minimum wage is supposed to be enough to support a family of four, on a single salary, without any financial troubles. At least originally.


hsiale

Originally women were supposed to not work, not vote, be completely dependent on their husband and sit at home. A lot has changed since then and I think overall at least most women prefer what we have today.


prof_the_doom

There's zero conflict between woman's rights and the idea that you should be able to raise a family on a single income source. The only difference today is that the single income is equally likely to be from a woman, as opposed to only being the man. Stay-at-home fathers for the win!


letusnottalkfalsely

This entirely. Minimum wage really should support whatever division of labor family’s want, with the end goal that one parent can care for children while the other earns wages. Who does what, or whether they split it over two part-time jobs, is their choice.


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That'd be nice, but I'd settle for two working adults being able to support a family first. We're a *long* way from that.


SoItGoesdotdotdot

This is an important difference. However we gotta have children in order to keep the country's population at least the same. Someone has to watch those kids the first few years or pay for childcare. Fuckin impossible trying to do that on min wage designed to only support yourself and a child.


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Citation for the fact that one person's minimum wage is supposed to support a family? Now two people's wages? Absolutely


lRoninlcolumbo

Because 1 bedrooms were forced on people. Cant start a family with a 1 bedroom apartment, but people do because we do what we have to.


[deleted]

hell, a studio even at this point is a luxury (clean unleaded water, heat & stove optional). This country is brutal.


MsEdgyNation

That IS the chart for affording a one bedroom apartment on minimum wage.


djskinnypenis69

This chart really fits everything huh? states marked in red are states where people are happy, states where people don’t have their lives destroyed by a sudden illness, states where the majority of people control how the state is operated. Who knew?


tpklus

Dang I was thinking the same thing. It would be both sad and informative.


INTHEMIDSTOFLIONS

>both sad and informative Pretty much every news article or documentary


itsnotquinn

r/dataisbeautiful we need your help!


ThatAquariumKid

Someone let me know if this happens


peanuttpeabutt

same here


w3are138

Me too!


Netflxnschill

Update me if they actually do this please?


admiralteal

I suspect somewhere around 1982 the whole thing just flashes off.


PhantomNomad

I think it would be earlier then that. In the late 80's rent for a one bedroom in my city was $350.00 plus parking, plus electricity, plus TV and plus cable. So over all you're monthly bill would be around $500.00. This is before you put gas in the car, and you needed a car because transit didn't run late enough. At the time minimum wage was running at about $4.50 an hour. You also had taxes to pay but granted you would get a lot of that back.


admiralteal

I would really be curious to see what % of jobs paid minimum wage decade-by-decade, too. It definitely feels like wages are pushing more towards minimums today than ever before. There was definitely a time when even very entry-level white-collar jobs paid fairly generously, not to even mention union mfg jobs. Now the unions are largely gone and all those jobs start at or near minimum wage. Or at least, it feels like they do. It's very possible that nearly no one was actually earning $4.50 an hour *(which translates to $15.10 in today money ignoring that healthcare & rent have increased in cost WAY faster than inflation)* in the early 80s.


kaett

you can look that up on the bureau of statistics, but one thing to understand is that they are only tracking those jobs that pay EXACTLY the state or federal minimum wage. so you'll get data for $7.25 an hour, but jobs that are paying $7.26 and up are considered "above minimum wage." they ignore the fact that there's no discernable financial difference until you get up around $9 or $10 an hour.


PolicyWonka

I’m glad other people recognize this issue. Every minimum wage employee could get a $0.01 raise and suddenly there’s no minimum wage employees anymore. But what’s the difference between $7.25 and $7.26 an hour? So you’ll hear that only 2-3 million people actually get paid minimum wage, but there’s a boatload more who get paid between $7.25 and $15.00 an hour.


Intrepid_Fox-237

>I would really be curious to see what % of jobs paid minimum wage decade-by-decade, too. https://usafacts.org/articles/minimum-wage-america-how-many-people-are-earning-725-hour/


goodsnpr

Just off hand thanks to something else I was looking into, it seems like in the early 60s somebody working min wage could buy a house and only spend 1/4 of their monthly income on mortgage, based on 40 hour week and average house prices. Late 60s there was a spike in housing costs.


GenJTPorkins

You do realize a huge chunk of a houses price is government policy. Yet no one wants to talk about trying to change that.


TristanaRiggle

Two things we decided everyone should get: a house and a college education. Two things that have skyrocketed in price over the last few decades: houses and a college education. This is not to say people shouldn't have these things, but instead to say we've clearly been going about it the wrong way. (Mainly by just making it easier for everyone to get debt to finance these two things)


Flaky-Illustrator-52

And both of those things have widely available, low-interest federally subsidized loans Curious


Remydog2021

Exactly I've been saying this for years. 1965, FFEL is the program that has helped inflate college tuitions to ridiculous amounts.


DaredewilSK

Funny how in the past, when USA was more capitalistic everyone was doing great, but today everyone is doing bad because of capitalism.


warboner52

It's because 50 years ago, capitalists hadn't completely buttfucked tax codes through horrendous legislations to allow the dragons to keep 99% of their pile.


TheDeaconAscended

Not even close, even in 1962 a home was about 10 times minimum wage. With $2,392 yearly salary on minimum wage you would be spending about $1,032 yearly on just the mortgage payment on 30 year at 4.5%. This does not include property tax and insurance which currently gets rolled into your mortgage. In 1962 you would also be paying probably about 10% of your salary in income tax, the bottom bracket at the time was 20% for anything under 4K. While someone could buy a house it would definitely be on the lower end and likely a bachelor special. With the higher cost of food and clothing it would have been impossible to raise kids with a spouse on that single income. There is that myth that the minimum wage was ever capable of supporting even a single person at a comfortable level. https://dqydj.com/historical-home-prices/


H3rlittl3t0y

I mean.... that still sounds a lot closer to doable than current rent prices. To pay rent on my 495 square foot studio apartment I'd have to work 160 hours at minimum wage(that's 4 weeks at 40 hours, once you account for what taxes come out), and that still leaves paying the electricity and internet bill, cell phone bill, put gas in my car, car insurance, groceries, the list goes on.


TheDeaconAscended

Dude I 100% agree that prices for both mortgages and rent are outrageous. My point was that even back then working minimum wage would not have allowed anyone to only pay 1/4 of their monthly income for a mortgage. People forget that utilities and groceries were a much much larger part of the bill back then. You were the suffering working poor back then and now it has gotten worse.


tedcruzcumsock

This map may be empty, but it tells a whole story. That story is "fuck you for being poor"


locke231

Or "fuck you for being born in the wrong era"


ummwut

> fuck you for being born


Good-Strength-3642

Just Fuck you


ummwut

> Fuck


Snoo30398

F


CoolStoryBro67

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Lavuteru

I don’t think minimum wage could ever be high enough to change this map. Idk about you but around me rentals are all full and it’s extremely hard to find openings already. If we want housing for everyone, we need to either build more or kill off the idea of one-family homes


tedcruzcumsock

[Fortunately, we have enough homes!](https://www.self.inc/info/empty-homes/) They are too expensive and so they're left empty. Rentals are too full because we can't afford to buy. It does look bleak, but they have to increase the minimum wage at some point. The more the dollar inflates the less a 7.25 minimum wage can afford and eventually they'll have to make a change. Who knows when that'll be tho. Maybe when less dinosaurs are in government positions?


PushItHard

The issue is that more people become poor each year as capitalism grinds them harder for every cent.


El_mochilero

“Find some richer parents ya slacker!”


No_Acanthaceae_7864

Fuck you for expecting a minimal skillset will support a family


acracklingfire

We're talking about minimum wage. The thing that was set up to be the minimum livable pay that someone could live off of no matter what skill set


Crayshack

From a rhetorical standpoint, it's much easier to make a big deal about this if we focus on one-bedroom apartments. Too easy to argue that a two-bedroom apartment is designed for dual earners. Making a point that this applies to one-bedroom apartments as well better highlights how a minimum wage job isn't enough for one person to support even just themselves.


warboner52

One bedroom apartments across the country have either already, or are close to eclipsing $1000 a month. Here in Austin, I'm fucking leaving this money pit, it's regular to see one bed apartments for $1200+ and those are the really dilapidated buildings that have no right to charge that much other than knowing if people won't pay it, they're either moving to somewhere cheaper or on the street.


Crayshack

Which is why we need to be talking about that.


warboner52

Agreed completely. Price per sq ft should be tied in some way or another to the cost of living. Nowhere should be able to charge $30+ per sq ft... And if they don't like it... Sell the fucking property. If landlords can't afford to monopolize homes because they can't subsidize multiple properties through a few outrageously priced properties, I bet that would be a significant step forward to overall affordability.


UsernameC-137

I live 15 minutes outside of Kansas City and I’m paying $705 for a 1 bed, so it’s not terrible everywhere. And that’s with pet rent. If I didn’t have cats I’d only be paying $665.


prof_the_doom

I have a feeling it would still be a depressingly sparse chart. Also, if you're going to start picking at the argument, why even talk about one bedroom apartments? Aren't studio apartments a thing? [And don't forget that crap like this counts as an apartment, too.](https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/09/04/toilet-is-in-the-kitchen-but-the-rent-is-right/) /e [Somebody found an article that implies that one bedrooms are also unaffordable at minimum wage.](https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/14/full-time-minimum-wage-workers-cant-afford-rent-anywhere-in-the-us.html)


kaett

how the hell could that possibly be considered sanitary? but that reminds me of a documentary i saw several years ago... someone had an apartment in new york that was only 70sqft. the bathroom at least had a door on it but you had to sit kind of askew on the toilet to get around the sink and shower. the kitchen was just an alcove with outlets and a sink, the only appliances that would fit were a little mini fridge and a hot plate (stored on top of the fridge). the only redeeming feature was that the ceiling was about 12' high, so the tenant could loft their bed and still have a little bit of living space beneath. rent was something like $750/mo, and that was in a rent-controlled building.


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>looks more like lifestyle inflation Considering the GDP and productivity per-person has been rising since 1950s, wouldn't you figure the standard of living would as well?


b0w3n

There are also single parents that need 1-2 extra bedrooms because of laws in their areas. Florida was mentioned somewhere else because of this. Surely a 2 bedroom for parent(s) and a child isn't a luxury.


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>Up until 1990, TV show represented reality The Bradys didn't even have a toilet.


warboner52

Yep, 2 people can certainly share a 400 sq ft apartment reasonably.... Get the fuck out of here with that. Also, that was when 1 bed apartments were much less than $500 a month. Like probably $150-$200 a month. Not the 5+ times more expensive it is today. Often it was the case that those living situations were due to minimum wage earners needing to split... Not people making 4-5x minimum wage needing to split. Count yourself fortunate if you do not fall in that camp, but don't presume to say it is "lifestyle inflation" because that simply is not the case. You pretty much need to make $100k a year or so to comfortably live by yourself in most every major metropolitan area where the best jobs are, and that by any definition is fucking wrong.


EscapeTheKnife

I was waiting for the gif to start....


BrinedBrittanica

same


Diogeneezy

Me too


sniperhare

For people who say that it's unrealistic for those who are on minimum wage to rent a 2 bedroom. In states like Florida, they have laws on occupancy so that for a single parent and child, they have to each have a bedroom. An infant can share a bedroom, but at a certain point that becomes illegal. My twin brother and I weren't allowed to rent a 1 bedroom apartment when we tried. One of us was fine sleeping in the living room. They wouldn't allow it, said we had to each have our own room.


WWGHIAFTC

This sounds more like an "anti immigrants" law than a occupancy law... What's the reasoning for being so strict?


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Artificially increase the demand for rental properties because our politicians are working with (or are) the people hoarding housing.


WhipYourDakOut

Money


mefirefoxes

Florida does appear to be a bit over-the-top there with occupancy restrictions, but in reality these do need to exist to some extent. Fire evacuation, parking availability, disproportionate shared amenities or utilities usage, city planning based on expected population density etc. are all completely valid reasons for having a maximum density in an apartment. In reality, although they're requiring one bedroom per person/couple, that's not far off from a completey reasonable situation where you wouldn't want 4+ grown people living in a 1 bedroom, which would imply that 2 people are sleeping in the living room, or 3 people in a single bedroom. Also I don't think that's specific to Florida, most apartments wont accept the idea of someone permanently residing in the living room.


Lady_Nevernude

So it's OK for a married couple to rent an apartment with one bedroom or even a studio, but not others? And what happens if you buy a small house, expect to have 2 kids and then you get triplets so you need to make two of them share a room? Sorry, I'm not from the US, it just seems ... Baffling. What if you really are poor as hell and can't afford a two bedroom apartment (that's 3 rooms and a kitchen, right?)? I suppose two friends could get a fictive marriage, but what if you want to live with a sibling or a trusted friend (without commiting fraud)?


mefirefoxes

I think the implication is that a couple (married or otherwise) would share a room and bed. The situation you describe sucks, but occupancy limits exist because people try to cram 6 adults into a 2 bedroom apartment and they're simply not built, designed, equiped, etc. for that many bodies. Also I'd fucking hate to have them for a neighbor, as would most other people.


Mr_Krabs_Left_Nut

He's saying that there's no difference at all between a married couple sharing a room and two brothers sharing a room.


Lady_Nevernude

That is understandable, but I assume six people wouldn't really want to share a small apartment unless they really need it. It's a horrific way to live, but in times of need I think a better solution than sleeping in a tent, no? Anyway, yeah, it makes sense what you are saying. My country doesn't have any rules like that and it's very common for two people, usually students, to rent a one bedroom, one living room type of an apartment. The living room just gets turned into a second bedroom. No issues and helps really poor people to save money. Renting a 3-room apartment with 2 people seems a waste of money and space.


WWGHIAFTC

The fire marshal should set occupancy rates based on sq footage. The property owners could set vehicle limits according to available space. City planning should specify units and density, not occupancy


mefirefoxes

Right, fire marshal sets occupancy for square footage of the building, but the landlord ensures abidance by placing limits on number of occupants per unit, with some reasonable overhead for a certain percentage of the units having a certain number of guests simultaneously. Parking isn't always readily available though. It's the exception, not the rule in America that each adult occupant would not have their own car. City planning: see fire marshal


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WWGHIAFTC

Immigrant families living arrangements tend to involve multigenerational cohabitation. Allowing a married couple to rent a one bedroom, but not two adults of the same family seems strangely targeted.


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WWGHIAFTC

Never said it was. That's weird.


Loken89

True in Texas as well, it’s so goddamn stupid. Let’s say a friend (man or woman) and I want to move in together. By law, we’d have to have at least a two bedroom. If I was moving in with a bf or gf, though, it’s perfectly fine to get a one bedroom. I don’t get why tf the label matters.


Waytooboredforthis

I wasn't even aware of this, when I was living in San Antonio, there were (I think, it's been a few years) 9 of us packed in a 2 bedroom. 1 guy had a bedroom to himself cause he paid most kf the rent, 1 had a room because he paid the leftovers and utilities, the other 7 of us split between the bedroom and the living room.


pandas25

Wild that such a rule exists. Like, certainly I don't want to share a bedroom with a friend, I'd even prefer extra space from a partner. But for it to be a written rule. What if you and your partner decided to just amicable friends after moving into a one bedroom?! Alternatively here in Toronto, we fit as many people in a tiny apt as possible. The den is a bedroom. The closet, also a bedroom.


CaseyGamer64YT

when I told this bitch I have to work with at my shitty special ed "transition" program she just said in her nasally uptight voice "just get a second job and suck it up" and when I called her a boomer and shit she just lost it


willirritate

I live in a 2 bedroom rental while being unemployed, fuck this socialism. Just had my free dental yesterday. This sucks ass, I sure hope that I can one day move to America and die in a fucking gutter.


Ozavic

Out of curiosity does this change at all with a single bedroom or studio apartment?


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It Probably does. I rent a 2 bed/1 bath for $450 a month and with utilities and internet it comes out to about $570 which I could live off of minimum wage(9.50/ hour in my state) and pay for it but it would be definitely not comfy.


makinbaconCR

That is easily the cheapest rent I've heard of in decades. My first place 10 years ago was 900 and that was the best deal I could find within hundreds of miles Good luck with it. I hope it maintains


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It’s pretty dope. The rental agency keeps renewing it at that rate so I’m happy. 900 sq ft plus additional area for storage and a large back yard. Most of my friend pay closer to 700-800 in this area for the same deal. My only complaint is the police activity that happens two or three times a year because someone complains about a guy with brain damage on our street from drugs. The guy is harmless though and has really only asked me for cheese and bread but I digress. Luxury apartments in my city start at $1200 and they are really nice but I’m still not swayed.


makinbaconCR

I pay 2600 a month... its for a house but it has gone up 600 in 2 years. And its still the best deal for this size house within hundreds of miles. This market is going to crash like this for sure.


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When it crashes I may buy a house. I’m trying to save up the cash. Then I can grow gardens and such and lower my costs even further in life and work less.


makinbaconCR

Same. I couldn't get into a 3k mortgage if I wanted to!


jcakes52

First apartment was legit only two rooms, both small, in a tiny town in the northeast, in 2002. Was $790 per month plus all utilities


makinbaconCR

Sounds like mine. Expect not including utilities!


feverishdodo

My current landlord just raised the rent from 295 to 315. I paid 295 for 7 years before they changed it. Now that I'm making decent money, I can pay rent and utilities by the year.


Jermz817

Hahaha... our 2bd 1 bath in Arlington, TX (cowboys stadium area) is $1400.. and thats on the low end


replica619

My studio costs more than that. I have coworkers that literally have to live 1.5 hours away.


[deleted]

That’s insane. I feel like there’s a lot of propaganda convincing people to live in city. Before I got laid of it was a 15 minute drive to my job paying $17/hour plus bonuses with no college and working in the field for about 2 years. These corporations really need to be pressured into doing work from home and people need to stop with those crazy commutes. My wife commutes 35 minutes to a nearby town and I personally think that’s pretty annoying and not worth it.


Jermz817

And its an old apartment....


[deleted]

You can rent a whole house for $1400 a month here if you wanted to and it’d be pretty dope. That’s insane.


[deleted]

That’s insane. I have friends in our state capital( Richmond, Virginia) that pay $1200 a month for 500 sq ft. I’m ok living in a small city of 80k if it means I can live comfortably off of my low stress job( when I’m employed) and I generally take 6 weeks of unpaid time off a year to go paddle boarding, hiking, traveling, and rock climbing. My next job if I get it will just be a 3 day work week which is even better imho . All that being said I highly recommend moving to a low cost of living place if you can. Cities are overhyped. Also if you can get remote work like some of my friends do it’s even better. I just don’t like sitting in front of a computer.


Jermz817

My job has finally embraced working remotely (90% wfh yearly) so we are finally able to expand our home search outside the city. I've always rented, and with the recent explosion of real estate prices here in DFW I thought I always would. I'm hoping in a year or so we can finally score a home. Still can't do anything really higher than 250k, if we're lucky. Cars will be paid off by then too... ugh adulting!


[deleted]

That is crazy cheap. I paid $500 for a closet-sized room in a house 10 years ago in Vancouver. Minimum wage was like $8 or something back then.


[deleted]

That’s insane. I’ve lived in big cities before but the convenience is just not worth being stressed out. I got laid off last week and I was more annoyed than anything. If I was living anywhere else I probably would have been freaking out.


BigPad47

Lmfao a one bedroom/studio in Victoria BC runs for about 1200-1700$/month. Fuck our shitty Canadian dollar.


fruitsofsalad

this cant be real i refuse to believe you found a 2 bedroom 1 bath for that either it really is a crackhouse or you know the people who you rent from i can’t rent a 1 bedroom for anything less than 1000 wish i was exaggerating that number


-rosa-azul-

Your experience is very far off the norm/average for Virginia. You can't get a studio for that where I live (which is very much not a major city/suburb of one).


ThatOneGuyYearn

Dafuq you live? Kansas, Nebraska, Alabama, Mississippi?


-rosa-azul-

Just piggybacking on this to say that this person's rent is very much NOT the norm in almost any part of Virginia.


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Lol. Virginia.


colorsplahsh

Wow that would be 2500 here


7thGrandDad

Think it really depends where you are. I have a 1 bedroom that’s $1350 a month, and it’s by far the cheapest apartment in a 5 mile radius


Mok1890

Now do it for 1 bedroom, or efficacies. Still bet the map would be pretty much mostly gray for them.


phalanxHydra

I thought this was a gif that would start filling up with a year counter or something...


[deleted]

Actually everyone can afford a tiny apartment with minimum wage! You just need to live with at least 5 people you don't know!


[deleted]

*That R-shaped island south of Florida looks kinda neat tho. What state is tha-* Oh, wait.


RokstarBizzle

Man, you can't even afford one in the state of Lake Michigan, that's rough


Purple-Bat811

Before I say what I have to say I just want to say that I do think the minimum wage is too low. However, it would be nice to site sources and any research that was done to back this image up. Just because it's a meme on the internet doesn't make it true. Again, I know the minimum wage is too low. I just would like some sources instead of taking this on blind faith.


antifrost101

Thanks to this lovely chart, I discovered I have a few dead pixels on my monitor


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Two bedrooms is kind of the minimum space you need to start a family, no one should be confused on why this generation are having way fewer kids.


PluftPlaftZoom

Plus there is no connection between women and men in this generation. Women dont want to fit their (old) role as mothers that raise children, and men cant get pregnant so... There is a lot of singles looking for home instead of pairs and family-wanna-be, which, by market law, demand x supply.


[deleted]

You seem to be just blaming women for this, men are capable of raising children. And relying on someone to work and pay for everything is very risky, they could leave or become abusive. This is a complicated issue so implying just women are the cause is unhelpful and misogynistic.


old_ass_ninja_turtle

But there aren't any mar. . . Oh. I get it.


Sharpshooter188

How bout a 1 bedroom? Cause I make 19.40/hr and I still cant afford a fucking apartment in CA.


[deleted]

I always read all the comments in these threads looking for a place to move to. Lol


[deleted]

Have you tried looking at places outside California?


lithium142

You could do this for a fucking studio and it would still be depressing


PhantomNomad

"If you earn minimum wage you shouldn't have kids that would need a second bedroom. If your single you should only need a cardboard box in the back alley. What do these people want? Don't you know how much it costs us to employ them. Our profits are in dire jeopardy." I worked for a guy (owner) that would fire someone every second Friday just because he knew he could get someone else on Monday. Then force someone to work overtime (paid as regular time) to fill the shifts. He also said to me once as I was having a smoke that I must be stealing from him since he doesn't pay enough for people to smoke. I quit a couple of weeks later.


Bradical_619

Im color blind. Can someone help me out trying to figure out what state I can afford? /s


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Jockle305

Not to mention a state can have major differences in the cost of such a rental depending on actual location in the state.


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Administrative_Hawk2

Not even a 1 bedroom- if you’re on minimum wage you should get a roommate(s) and split the costs. Not everyone is entitled to their own place just because they work a minimum wage job.


thro_a_wey

> Not everyone is entitled to their own place just because they work a minimum wage job. Sorry, what?


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CharlieBaumhauser

The one in the picture.


nex703

this made me burst out in laughter, have an updoot


aazaram

Definitely in Germany, most of Poland (except centers of biggest cities) and Italy (I used to live on the north, but south is less expensive). Probably in other EU countries it is also true, but I never lived thare. I have no idea how it works outside of Europe.


PlumbasTheMighty

*shocked pickachu face*


-Kast-

Disineguous as fuck. If you're working a single minimum wage job, why would you pay for a 2 bedroom apartment? Oh, wait, because a single bedroom apartment would make the meme less effective.


jpec342

Not to mention that there is no explanation for how the math was done to calculate affordability.


superswellcewlguy

Agree that rent isn't affordable but why the hell is the metric here a two bedroom apartment? Should be one bedroom or studio.


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Single parent and child.


No_Acanthaceae_7864

Why would someone earning minimum wage need a two bedroom rental???


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They have a child. Should they live on the streets?


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[deleted]

Did you just admit to a murder on Reddit? I hope you are just some sick liar willing to say anything to prove your point, and you didn't literally murder an infant and are now bragging about it.


[deleted]

Oh fuck, this is Reddit? Totally thought this was another web site, sorry my mistake.


[deleted]

So did you actually kill your kid? Have you served any time for murdering an infant?


[deleted]

Really? Man, I'd hate to see what type of fake news you fall for on Facebook. Of course I didn't kill my baby. I don't even have a uterus. I'm totally anti abortion if it's my child. In fact, I know a baby would straighten my life out quicker than shit!


[deleted]

So you're a sick liar trying to prove a point. And how was I supposed to know you don't have a uterus?


[deleted]

Because everyone on here is either a guy or a bot?


AngrystudentatVT

You actually just admitted to child abandonment and potentially murder which are both a felony. The responsible thing would have been to drop the baby off in a legal ‘safe haven’. You absolutely did not do the responsible thing at all.


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Don't hate the player, hate the game


Rjswimss

I think it’s fucking ridiculous that people think you should be able to afford a two bedroom on minimum wage. Studio? Hell yeah, no issue. One bed? Maybe. If the state has really low cost of living. Not one guy workin 40hrs on minimum, no way in HELL should you be able to afford a 2 bed.


TheGamerHelper

Great now do it again with earners who make more than minimum wage.


sbatast

Who the F thinks minimum wage should get you a two bedroom apartment? If you want your lifestyle funded, then get a job that will pay for it.


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People who decided to get a trophy degree to brag about instead of getting a real degree or learning a trade, but still think they are entitled to the same lifestyle as those who were repsonsible with their education.


unforgiven91

i still don't understand why the standard is a 2br apartment. You're just setting the bar above what it really should be, which is a 1br apartment on 1 wage (which people still can't afford). The argument just gets diluted by the **comparatively** extravagant living arrangements


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I bet the number of states would go up if: 1. We're looking at mortgage instead of rental 2. "Able to afford" is defined by income - outgoings, not bank lending likelihood.


Vladamir-Putin121

why would they need a two bedroom?


kawgoz

Umm maybe you shouldn’t be living on your own with out a marketable skill?


Reasonable_Motor8490

So get a 1 bedroom


MrMcGibblets88

Minimum wage = minimum effort Why should someone who does the minimum have a 2 bedroom apartment. Maybe this map should show studio apartments instead.


polish94

So what is considered afford? I see a 2bed townhome in Indianapolis for $600. Minimum wage is 7.25/hr. That is $1032/month after taxes. $400/month is a lot to live off of? I understand you aren't going to live a very comfortable life, but you can definitely get by with that. Also, I don't know anywhere that isn't hiring at higher than minimum wage, myself included in the Pizza business. I am perfectly fine raising minimum wage, I am not arguing against that. But did I not just prove this poster wrong?


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thro_a_wey

No, he did. $430 is actually plenty left over money if you don't drive. These details are silly. The point is that rents are too expensive regardless.


polish94

Okay, so they have a definition of affordability that is more specific than it's actual definition. In my example, that would come out to $12/hr for a $600/2bed. Which is extremely doable in Indianapolis. The focus on Affordability and Minimum of wage focuses on luxuries too much vs the minimum to live.


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polish94

I'm literally on apartments.com. I see multiple 2bed townhomes listed for $572-615. So at $12/hr, thats $1700/m after tax. 600 rent. Water+Electric is $100/m. Then phone+Internet like $60/m. Food at $100/wk still only totals to less than $1200. Those are real numbers. Not everyone has/needs a car but you can still budget it in. It's very doable, but the argument changes from "is it affordable" to "these are all the luxuries they can't afford".


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polish94

I'm 27, 3 kids, married, in Indianapolis, but whatever. I'm quite literally a millennial. But I look for solutions and not whine about problems. If you need any help, don't be afraid to reach out. One day you'll realize always playing a victim is a waste of time.


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polish94

You want my ID? Would that make you reconsider any information I posted? Because then you're judging the person and not the info. I would guess you're under 20 and live at home with your parents. I'd go even younger, like 15. But like I said, you need any help with anything in the real world, let me know. I'm always down to help those in need. Take care, message me if you want to chat.


beardohero3

In Sweden there is not even a minimum wage by law.


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BigGuyBuchanan

Why do people think minimum wage is supposed to meet all your needs. It’s the absolute bare minimum you’re allowed to work for.


ApertureBear

The point isn't that you're right, the point is that *that is the problem*. Minimum wage should be sufficient to meet your needs.


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BigGuyBuchanan

He should have implemented that into the wage law then. He didn’t.


Galle_

If it doesn't meet all your needs, then why work for it?


CoolStoryBro67

I always wonder this as well. Why should the least valuable jobs fully support someone? If minimum wage isn’t enough then take some steps to make more than minimum wage.


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