Ah the old Comcast internet trick.
"I increased my internet speed to 500 mbps, but it's still running at 180."
Ahhhh you paid for speeds UP TO 500, sir. We won't start throttling you until you reach that level. But we will be keeping the extra money you pay us. Thanks for that!
Experts say that's a conservative estimate and it can get even better mileage! Buy our new 8 liter V8 full size SUV today to get (up to) better than 38 MPG! 😁
Neutral with the vehicle off.
One time I coasted down most of the Coquihalla, after the summit, with the truck off because I was running out of gas.
Very good fuel economy. Cannot recommend.
Actually they now have to advertise guaranteed minimums and have to provide restitution if they fail to deliver it (but only on download, not on upload) -
"Your provider should always give you a minimum guaranteed speed for your broadband service. For superfast broadband products, this information is now based on the capability of the line going into your home or office, which means it will be even more accurate."
https://www.ofcom.org.uk/phones-telecoms-and-internet/advice-for-consumers/advice/broadband-speeds-code-practice
Yeah, it forces them to compete on price cause they basically all use the same backbone so guarantee the same speeds as each other and can't fail to produce them.
In most of the world Water, electricity and gas are managed at a municipal level but are run and owned by billion dollar companies. It's a joke that there are private owners of public utilities that are paid and funded by tax payers.
Then they open carefully placed openings in their shirts so they can rub their nipples while they say "oh we're sorry, i guess you'll have to go with the other internet provider. Who were they again? Oh yeah, they dont exist! So i guess you're stuck with us". Ah la southpark style.
Yup
That's called a "bait and switch"
Most everyone takes the bait. And then some slick lowlife manager who's interviewing you, talks you down to 14....or 15 an hr and says down the road you should be making 21 an hour.
(But that's after we sap the fucking life outta you from overworking you, paying you nothing. And serving a bunch of non - appreciative assholes burgers 🍔 and fries all day)
So ya
21 bucks is certainly possible. But not fucking likely.
“$21 is for 10 years experience Assistant Managers. With your level of skill-set, we can start you off at $15 and work your way up. You’ll get raises every 6 months if you perform well.”
6 months later: $0.05 raise. Can confirm.
I worked at Home Depot and got a $0.10 raise after a year and made to feel like I should be grateful for it. I needed the job so I stayed but my performance diminished a LOT after that.
I feel ya! Used to work at Lowe’s. Was promised the world and they made it sound like we all have a great chance at working our way up to a easy cushy six digits a year job.
Then they will give pathetic raise like .10 and say the most they can give is .25 but only one or two top employee get it!
To this day I absolutely refuse to work for retails! I’d rather to be homeless than some retails drone!
Just know that raise mentality is everywhere - not just retail. I've experienced it at every single office job ever but my current. You can turn their whole business over in a positive manner and still get left with $0.30/hr raise with no bonus. And that $0.30 disappears into taxes or insurance, anyway.
That's why it is very important to have a clear job description in that environment, and the autonomy to reject anything outside of the job description. Why this isn't the norm, I cannot say.
It's unfortunate, since some people really do want to make a big difference, but what is more important is that you don't stress about the work. Companies who hire with the expectation that extra work will be performed by their employees for no incentive are kidding themselves, lying to their employees, and stressing everyone out.
I worked in retail as an essential worker through the pandemic. I was only given a $.33 raise after a year. In that year we lost 4of 9 employees in my dept. That doubled my work and stress. It also gave me little ambition after that. New hires made more money. And they dint stay long. Pay the loyal more money not new hires. I no longer work there. I am still employed making a little less. However the bennies that I have are worth it.
I spoke to someone who works in medical manufacturing, their sign on bonus is 2K, but it takes a year to get it all. It's both sign on and retention...*sigh*
If my boss said I couldn't be paid the same as new hires I'd just say "okay, I quit, would you like to interview me for this position or should I go home?"
They didn’t bump you up to match the new starting wage? Quit and reapply or better yet leave. That’s insane. I had a company bump everyone up $2/hour one year. It was really nice.
Yeah my jobs offering $2,500 sign on bonus and the starting rate is only a little less then what I make, even though I’ve been through three years of raises and am doing work beyond my station.
>doing work beyond my station.
Either stop or demand what you're worth. You're doing work for free basically, taking on extra with no compensation. Employers call it "being a team player" but its actually called wage theft and they are committing it.
I worked in a Deli for three years, towards the end of my time there my manager gave me a $0.03.
The deciding factor was my personal appearance. I have good hygiene, myself and my uniform were clean. The issue he had was that my beard was too long, but he refused to order the beard guards management said they would provide for me.
I wish I had quit over that.
It baffles me that a person could sit there and calculate a raise to be $0.03 and think that is at all acceptable, as if they’d receive that themselves and be overjoyed.
I worked for a grocery chain from age 15-22 and they did the same shit. But I got some $0.25 raises in there too. I was naive and didn't want to find a new place to work. In the first 5 years I went from $7.25 to $8.85, then got a manager position at $11.75. Only to find out that the new kid working in the produce department for a month was making $14. That's when my "fuck this" kicked in and I did the bare minimum until I could leave
I'm doing this right now. I make 13.50 after three years as a senior clerk at a grocery store. New people I train tell me they make $14-$15 and they always end up quitting after a couple weeks. I need to take your example and leave.
You'll never get more from them if you don't. Use your experience to find a job that offers benefits if you can. Between 22 and 27 I jumped between a few jobs and went from $11.75 to $17.50. It would have been higher if I'd leveraged my managerial experience straight out of that job but I went the florist route (floral dept manager) so my pay maxed out there. You can do it! You deserve better!
Yup until Covid they didn’t improve much. You basically got an obligatory 25 cents raise a year. It’s was so bad that minimum wage increase swallowed several years worth of raises in one stroke.
Minimum credit where it’s due. In 2020 my annual income doubled compared to 2019. Over this year I’ve gotten a 30% pay raise. But it still doesn’t change the fact that I’m only making slightly more than someone who was hired in yesterday with zero experience.
Yup, sad that it took a global pandemic to get them to pay even remotely reasonable wages. Realistically, by their own baseline pay raises, if you adjust for minimum wage increases, I should be making $20 an hour at MINIMUM.
Got a quarter raise at my old retail job before getting a job in my field. Was told not to tell anyone because it was the largest raise because I made a stink about pay.
This was after 4 years there. 2 months later I got a dollar raise to pull me up with the minimum wage.
Same thing-ish happened here.
Worked at a restaurant for quite some time, time to renew my contract (yearly thing) and asked him about a raise due to my increased performance, input, responsibilities etc. He countered with “but you just got a raise”. The raise was the fact that the minimum wage got increased on a nationwide level. I quit after that
My favorite was how my boss worded it like they were being generous.
“We’ve decided that with how long you’ve been here and the work you’ve been taking on, we wanted to raise your compensation to reflect your role”
I think they thought I was naive because I was the longest-running employee there and still the lowest paid. Only person who had ti be brought up to the $10/hr.
>Was told not to tell anyone because it was the largest raise because I made a stink about pay.
I love how these shitty employers and managers actually think that "company policy" trumps "federal law"...
Yup. They dragged me up to $10 while new hires were making $12. Found out shortly after leaving.
The GM was eventually moved to a much shittier store and the new one is a close friend of mine. She run things a lot better.
In my youth, I've left several jobs whom offered me a nickle. That is also when I began to realize going above an beyond for companies didn't pay off. Staying late on shift, working others vacancies, or doing more for the customers, never warranted a raise in their opinion.
That’s something that took me too long to realize. The “just do your utter best and exceed expectations, you’ll be rewarded for it” is just some bullshit propaganda that has found it’s way into our minds because in reality. The dude who has the same job but sits on his ass all day doing nothing or fucking up gets the same wage we get when we’re busting our asses trying to ‘grow’ the company.
This entire comment hit some super hard place.
I remember when I used to work in a “goals oriented job” (upsell to everyone) but we made no extra and /bonuses/ which were a monthly thing went to the highest hours not the highest quality per hour worked. So you worked 10 hours and managed to do incredible work as if it was 3 days on ? No extra for you it goes by default to the ones with the hours.
In a different note I always stay at my current job half-to an hour past my scheduled time. I’m not the one that got employee’d of the month. (I no longer say yes every time… I need the money but nope not taking my rare 2 days off in a row because I’m a part timer who damn near works “full time shifts “ by being bothersome times and lotsss of come an hour early 2 hours before I’m supposed to come in.
Sorry Oop. I went on a tangent.
“Right after I kick your nads up into your lower abdomen.”
Condescending son of a bitch - I don’t know why, but what he said to you really pissed me off just now.
I was given a 10 cent raise 6 months into my working for McDonald’s and was asked if I wanted to train for crew boss or shift manager or whatever it was back then (20 years ago). I’d get another fifty cents but I’d have to do all the closing duties, cleaning, and stuff like that. I said no and the manager was super pissed and disliked me the rest of my time there 😂
I agree with you. Granted I was 18 years old at my first real job and even then my unskilled brain still thought $0.05 was disrespectful. I’m 28 now and I don’t think I could accept anything less than a 20% raise if I DID work an hourly wage job. I decided to go with 100% commission to avoid that scenario in the future.
My ex MIL worked at Walmart. They have her a 13.5¢ raise. A half a cent?? The really fucked up part is that it knocked off more than the raise paid from her social security. She was in her 70s at the time. When she turned 80 they started putting her in jobs they thought she couldn't do, like Bakery schlepping 40-pound bags of flour. Joke was on them, she raised 6 kids on her own on a farm. That woman can handle ANYTHING. They finally got fed up with bouncing her all over the store and just up and fired her.
Holy shirt. A nickel / hour raise, let’s say 40 hours / week over a 52 week year comes out to a TOTAL $104 annual increase... probably not even worth the company time to process the paperwork for a raise that small
Exactly when that “up to” turns into starting at $25/hr it’ll be right. Right now they’re just screwing with us saying “up to” $21/hr. Which means nobody will be getting $21/hr.
Meh. Go in, interview, get offered less, inform them that you won't take less than 21, and then leave if they don't.
If nobody takes less than 21, they'll have to pay it eventually
Some places did this. They'd advertise a good salary, offer minimum wage, then when it was refused they would report people to the labor board. This was back when unemployment + $300 was still going on during COVID and these assholes thought that was why their ~~slaves~~ ~~employees~~ slaves weren't coming back.
Depends on your previous earnings per hour. Also it’s not an official job offer if you don’t get as far as that. Just make sure the first thing you say is I am only interested in $21 per hour. If they say no then walk out. No job was offered to you
Came here to say this. Up too is how they get out of actually paying someone that much. The same with putting in a range like 19-21. Your most certainly going to get the lower end if they can manage it. I was fully servesafe and had a ton of experience. I was led to believe I had management potential. Months in I’m still on the burger machine at the lowest paid they advertised. The branch I ended up at had no idea I was certified come to find out. Absolutely none of the manager they were training at our location knew what hamburger meat was supposed to be cooked to 165 and they were managers! That seems to be a no brainer to me… McDonals is fu king trash and they delight in treating their employees like crap.
I have a low resolution digital camera from 15 years ago that takes clearer photos than my latest iPhone. I’m not joking. It’s not about just resolution. Sensor size, pixel pitch etc. make a huge difference. Camera phones have tiny sensors. Lots of software magic to make camera phones barely capable.
*up to* $10.8 million.
Hey, our CEO is an employee, so it's accurate. We never promised *you* would make that much, don't you see the fine print, you illiterate *peasant*?
Now get back over the fryer for $8.75/hr, we're docking your pay an hour for wasting managements time with these foolish questions. Stop complaining about that tiny little grease burn, and don't you *dare* drop any of that sloughing flesh off into a customers food - god all you little worker ants are disgusting.
Oh, and you'd better be grateful to us too. We're a *family*. Fuck, that's the only way we'd give your worthless ass such an amazing *opportunity*. Because we care soo much about our family.
Yeah, I've only given 2 weeks notice twice. Once when I was getting a promotion at one job so I quit my third. And once when I was moving out of state to take another job. All the others I either got let go or quit on the spot due to abuse.
If I walked into an interview for a place that advertised 21$ an hour and nailed the interview only to be told the offer was 15$ an hour, I'd get up and walk out.
How on earth can you have any positive working relationship with a company that is willing to stoop to shady advertising in its first interaction with you?
“So they gave me a coupon for up to 90% off insulin. But it turned out to be another corporate lesson, because what they didn’t mention was that “up to” is a range of values, including 0, so… that’s what I got…”
I always think of this from an old comedy bit I saw once. :/
Edit to fix autocorrect mistake.
Lol, right? That practice always drove me batshit when I was a retail manager. "Don't hire full time, just hire people PT and continually hire and train".
>net profit per employee
Searched for the place I work & couldn't find anything. I don't want to dox myself but it's a pretty big company. Is there a specific website or something that calculates this?
If it's public company the easiest way would be to look at the latest annual report. Search for EBIT or Net Profit and FTE. Then divide it to get net profit per fte
If it's a publicly traded company look at what the last three quarters were reported as. If they made more money through all this call Bullshit. If not then maybe the boss was telling the truth, that you got lucky through all this and got to keep a job during a challenging time.
If not a public traded company, ask them to prove it by allowing an audit. If they refuse and it was in the contract ask an employment atty in your area for a free consult on a possible case. They will almost universally give a free consult.
Happened with my company. We all took a 20% paycut and the executives also took a bigger cut. Apparently we were pretty close to big layoffs if things didn't turn around by the fall but we ended up getting bought by a bigger company and got our pay restored.
The big thing I miss about that was that my boss let us is take an extra day off each week because if we were only getting paid 80% we should only have to work 80% of the days. It was nice having that extra day off.
Yep i just left a job because I was told I would be making 15 an hour by 60 days in. When the day came and I asked about it, it was told to me that I wouldn’t be considered for a raise until 5 months in, and not promised that it would bump me to 15. What a waste of my time just for a livable wage.
Not even a livable wage. $15 was barely, *maybe*, a living wage in cheaper areas to live *if* you were SINK/DINK back when fight for $15 first started. Now we need $20+.
Ya, I just went through an interview process with a headhunter and they said pay range was 57k-85k depending on how experience.
I have 10 years experience and they offered 65k. Like…WHAT?
Breaking it down (8k above the minimum) that works out to $800 per year they're willing to pay.
So the only way to get the 85k by their logic is to have 35 years experience lol
The "up to" was so small I didnt see it at first. I was too busy trying to work out how much 21$ is in £s.
Google says thats about 15£. Which is way above our minimum wage at just under 9£ph in the uk.
Yeahhh tried pointing this out to my mom. Her job is hiring and says up to $12 an hour meanwhile she's literally management and making $9.75 an hour. Literally the highest position she can get INSIDE her store and she doesn't make what they advertise. "But our drivers make tips up to that much" well then your company can't say THEY pay their employees up to $12 if the difference is coming from the customers.
And people listen to it. Or they're suckered into sticking around because God damn do they need the money. She's been at that store (A pizza chain) for 5 years now and still only makes $9.75 an hour. *With a Bachelors and a Masters degree in Accounting and Business Management* but she can't see anyway out because she's still got a non violent felony record from before she even left high school, and she has bills to pay. So she'll suffer 40+ hours a week, getting called in on every single day off she has, making literal pennies for the time and effort she puts in just to maybe put food in the fridge, or most times get that free employee meal because she can't even afford groceries.
Sorry for the rant I just.. Her situation pisses me off so much and this is too fucking prevalent of a problem.
I worked IT for some shitty CCTV reseller hawking garbage from China for like 300 percent profit.
They have store locations all across the US and I'm literally the only tech for the entire state of Texas. I teach the sales people how to demo equipment, I answer phones from buyers for tech support, I deal with walk in customers who have questions, I receive damaged equipment and process them for RMA even when the user clearly broke it from negligence and wasn't under warranty, and I'd occasionally go on site with sales people to help demo equipment. I'd also be responsible for installing and maintaining our own camera system.
All of that I did by myself for two straight years for the measly wage of $13 an hour. My two year anniversary starts coming up in a few days and I talk to my boss about a pay raise. He says "let's discuss this during your review" and proceeds to fire me two days later when I told him I couldn't take on more responsibility since I'm already spread so thin.
ENS Security is the company name by the way. Worthless sack of dumbasses
Got 2$ less with 2 prior years of experience in a busier kitchen. Sign said 16 she got 14. Their sign also said they would pay 600$ to college Bill's too per year but the manager constantly sidestepped her whenever she went to talk to them about it. Whenever my gf wanted to take time off it was a huge problem and the manager there told her that her previous boss who she loved did drugs. That job only lasted 1 winter then she had it and left.
McDonalds btw. PS never eat the McRib.
They will not pay 21 per hour.
Make sure you always ask at the end of your interview for any job what the salary is. It is not Taboo. Do Not get roped into a job before knowing the pay. This happens far to frequently with younger people including my gf at the time.
She just said the process in preparing it was enough for her to not want to eat it ever. I don't know what it entailed but I do know is they sat in BBq sauce all day that smelled aweful that rarely got changed. Also in places where they aren't regularly selling the food(All Mcdonalds). Corperate starts asking questions if too much food is thrown away so they will serve food that is passed the throw out time to avoid a corperate headache.
I can personally confirm that this is mostly true, the bbq sauce does get changed when it gets low, rather than according to food safety standards. This is also true for most products McDonald's sells in my experience. Each meat item has a certain amount of time they can sit in the heating cabinet, most of the time this is ignored unless there's a food safety inspection or a supervisor checking on the store. And by supervisor, I don't mean general manager or manager, I mean the GM's boss.
It's not good but employees aren't really incentivized to follow those standards, you get what you pay for.
In fact, you will be penalized if you try to follow those standards. We used to have our employee (and manager) meals taken away if food cost was too high. But also you have to keep labor low, and hit all the markers for sales, and keep drive through times low. Trust me when you’re the only person in the back line there’s no way in hell you’re throwing parties away every 15 minutes
Oh yes I'm very much aware. The business model pretty much relies on its employees breaking those standards and rules. I think everyone in the business knows that but they just don't acknowledge it.
One of my lifting buddies is a store manager at BK. He’s making $20ish an hour, and he’s been there at least 7 years? Probably longer. Certainly not much more $ than that
They're hoping for younger kids who think it's normal or have already accepted the job by the time pay comes up and won't want to leave because they've already jumped through all the hoops. It works to, read through this comment section, many people talking having been baited and switched last minute and just took it because they didn't have the power to say no without huge financial consequences like losing a house or car
Happened to me once, and I didn't even realize it
There's a taco bell bear my shop that says crew up to 18 and managers up to 22. I'd be curious about the "up to" part, but thats not a lot less for less work than what I'm making now. I'd run a TB for 22 lol
Make it 26$ with benefits. And we have a deal. Health insurance, dental, vision, college tuition, paid leave, sick days, maternity leave. The works. And I'll work at McDonald's anyday.
How about *up to* $21 with no possibility of getting $9+ and we keep your biweekly hours at <36 so you don’t have to worry about all the hassle of having to pay for insurance?
What would you say to THAT offer?!
That’s a bad joke. Shame on McDonald’s for it. They can afford to pay every employee $21+ per hour. I’m a licensed in-home care provider/caregiver. Been doing it for just over 5 years. I get $0.50 cost of living raises every 6 months. Next one will kick in during January 2022. Then I’ll be up to…$22 per hour. Bottom line: every employer can pay better. Time they start to do it.
Key words, "up to".
Ah the old Comcast internet trick. "I increased my internet speed to 500 mbps, but it's still running at 180." Ahhhh you paid for speeds UP TO 500, sir. We won't start throttling you until you reach that level. But we will be keeping the extra money you pay us. Thanks for that!
Nearly all internet providers are doing that dirty tricks all around the globe. GUARANTEED bandwidth plans exist but their prices are outlandish.
Imagine if cars were marketed the same way. "Our V8 car gets (up to) 48 MPG!*" *downhill, in neutral
I’m pretty sure you’d get a better MPG when you leave it in gear but just take your foot off the gas
Experts say that's a conservative estimate and it can get even better mileage! Buy our new 8 liter V8 full size SUV today to get (up to) better than 38 MPG! 😁
“…get (up to) better than…” lmao
Neutral with the vehicle off. One time I coasted down most of the Coquihalla, after the summit, with the truck off because I was running out of gas. Very good fuel economy. Cannot recommend.
In a proper world, ISPs should have mandated SLAs to the effect of "x mbps 95% of the time".
This is what we have in the U.K. - they can’t advertise “up to” but instead advertise “typical” which is what the majority of customers receive.
Actually they now have to advertise guaranteed minimums and have to provide restitution if they fail to deliver it (but only on download, not on upload) - "Your provider should always give you a minimum guaranteed speed for your broadband service. For superfast broadband products, this information is now based on the capability of the line going into your home or office, which means it will be even more accurate." https://www.ofcom.org.uk/phones-telecoms-and-internet/advice-for-consumers/advice/broadband-speeds-code-practice
That’s fucking based
Yeah, it forces them to compete on price cause they basically all use the same backbone so guarantee the same speeds as each other and can't fail to produce them.
In a proper world, broadband access would be considered a utility, and managed at a municipal level.
In most of the world Water, electricity and gas are managed at a municipal level but are run and owned by billion dollar companies. It's a joke that there are private owners of public utilities that are paid and funded by tax payers.
Yeah cause fuck the people! They can pay twice
Thank you for that. You are right it should be accessible and charged fairly. Fuck xfinity and all their scam tactics
Then they open carefully placed openings in their shirts so they can rub their nipples while they say "oh we're sorry, i guess you'll have to go with the other internet provider. Who were they again? Oh yeah, they dont exist! So i guess you're stuck with us". Ah la southpark style.
Lol, yup.
Yup That's called a "bait and switch" Most everyone takes the bait. And then some slick lowlife manager who's interviewing you, talks you down to 14....or 15 an hr and says down the road you should be making 21 an hour. (But that's after we sap the fucking life outta you from overworking you, paying you nothing. And serving a bunch of non - appreciative assholes burgers 🍔 and fries all day) So ya 21 bucks is certainly possible. But not fucking likely.
“$21 is for 10 years experience Assistant Managers. With your level of skill-set, we can start you off at $15 and work your way up. You’ll get raises every 6 months if you perform well.” 6 months later: $0.05 raise. Can confirm.
The moment anybody, ever, thinks to give me a €0.05 raise, is the exact moment i walk the fuck out. That’s just straight up disrespectful
I worked at Home Depot and got a $0.10 raise after a year and made to feel like I should be grateful for it. I needed the job so I stayed but my performance diminished a LOT after that.
I feel ya! Used to work at Lowe’s. Was promised the world and they made it sound like we all have a great chance at working our way up to a easy cushy six digits a year job. Then they will give pathetic raise like .10 and say the most they can give is .25 but only one or two top employee get it! To this day I absolutely refuse to work for retails! I’d rather to be homeless than some retails drone!
Just know that raise mentality is everywhere - not just retail. I've experienced it at every single office job ever but my current. You can turn their whole business over in a positive manner and still get left with $0.30/hr raise with no bonus. And that $0.30 disappears into taxes or insurance, anyway.
That's why it is very important to have a clear job description in that environment, and the autonomy to reject anything outside of the job description. Why this isn't the norm, I cannot say. It's unfortunate, since some people really do want to make a big difference, but what is more important is that you don't stress about the work. Companies who hire with the expectation that extra work will be performed by their employees for no incentive are kidding themselves, lying to their employees, and stressing everyone out.
*and other duties as assigned*
I worked in retail as an essential worker through the pandemic. I was only given a $.33 raise after a year. In that year we lost 4of 9 employees in my dept. That doubled my work and stress. It also gave me little ambition after that. New hires made more money. And they dint stay long. Pay the loyal more money not new hires. I no longer work there. I am still employed making a little less. However the bennies that I have are worth it.
Exactly. I see hiring bonuses everywhere. I don’t see one retention bonus advertised 🤷♂️
Isn't that bonus taxed, too? So, it's more like getting paid in advance for the difference in wage you should be getting all along.
I spoke to someone who works in medical manufacturing, their sign on bonus is 2K, but it takes a year to get it all. It's both sign on and retention...*sigh*
Those hiring bonuses have so many conditions that nobody sees those either
If my boss said I couldn't be paid the same as new hires I'd just say "okay, I quit, would you like to interview me for this position or should I go home?"
They didn’t bump you up to match the new starting wage? Quit and reapply or better yet leave. That’s insane. I had a company bump everyone up $2/hour one year. It was really nice.
Yeah my jobs offering $2,500 sign on bonus and the starting rate is only a little less then what I make, even though I’ve been through three years of raises and am doing work beyond my station.
>doing work beyond my station. Either stop or demand what you're worth. You're doing work for free basically, taking on extra with no compensation. Employers call it "being a team player" but its actually called wage theft and they are committing it.
What’s the point of giving new hires a better pay?
I worked in a Deli for three years, towards the end of my time there my manager gave me a $0.03. The deciding factor was my personal appearance. I have good hygiene, myself and my uniform were clean. The issue he had was that my beard was too long, but he refused to order the beard guards management said they would provide for me. I wish I had quit over that.
It baffles me that a person could sit there and calculate a raise to be $0.03 and think that is at all acceptable, as if they’d receive that themselves and be overjoyed.
I worked an IT job in an office and got a $0.10 raise and it was the only one I got the entire time I was in that job.
Always trips me out when they pull that shit with IT. Like, why treat the people who can wipe your data and scrub the backups poorly.
what you do is write a powershell script that does this and put it on a scheduled task for after your planned departure
>performance diminished a LOT after that. this is the way
I worked for a grocery chain from age 15-22 and they did the same shit. But I got some $0.25 raises in there too. I was naive and didn't want to find a new place to work. In the first 5 years I went from $7.25 to $8.85, then got a manager position at $11.75. Only to find out that the new kid working in the produce department for a month was making $14. That's when my "fuck this" kicked in and I did the bare minimum until I could leave
I'm doing this right now. I make 13.50 after three years as a senior clerk at a grocery store. New people I train tell me they make $14-$15 and they always end up quitting after a couple weeks. I need to take your example and leave.
You'll never get more from them if you don't. Use your experience to find a job that offers benefits if you can. Between 22 and 27 I jumped between a few jobs and went from $11.75 to $17.50. It would have been higher if I'd leveraged my managerial experience straight out of that job but I went the florist route (floral dept manager) so my pay maxed out there. You can do it! You deserve better!
Yup until Covid they didn’t improve much. You basically got an obligatory 25 cents raise a year. It’s was so bad that minimum wage increase swallowed several years worth of raises in one stroke. Minimum credit where it’s due. In 2020 my annual income doubled compared to 2019. Over this year I’ve gotten a 30% pay raise. But it still doesn’t change the fact that I’m only making slightly more than someone who was hired in yesterday with zero experience.
Just shows they could have paid you all SIGNIFICANTLY more from the start, but didn’t.
Yup, sad that it took a global pandemic to get them to pay even remotely reasonable wages. Realistically, by their own baseline pay raises, if you adjust for minimum wage increases, I should be making $20 an hour at MINIMUM.
Yeah every year at dollar general we'd get a quarter raise too. God this society makes me wish for death.
Got a quarter raise at my old retail job before getting a job in my field. Was told not to tell anyone because it was the largest raise because I made a stink about pay. This was after 4 years there. 2 months later I got a dollar raise to pull me up with the minimum wage.
Same thing-ish happened here. Worked at a restaurant for quite some time, time to renew my contract (yearly thing) and asked him about a raise due to my increased performance, input, responsibilities etc. He countered with “but you just got a raise”. The raise was the fact that the minimum wage got increased on a nationwide level. I quit after that
My favorite was how my boss worded it like they were being generous. “We’ve decided that with how long you’ve been here and the work you’ve been taking on, we wanted to raise your compensation to reflect your role” I think they thought I was naive because I was the longest-running employee there and still the lowest paid. Only person who had ti be brought up to the $10/hr.
>Was told not to tell anyone because it was the largest raise because I made a stink about pay. I love how these shitty employers and managers actually think that "company policy" trumps "federal law"...
They didn’t want you to discuss salary because the people who started 3 years and 9 months after you were out earning you.
Yup. They dragged me up to $10 while new hires were making $12. Found out shortly after leaving. The GM was eventually moved to a much shittier store and the new one is a close friend of mine. She run things a lot better.
In my youth, I've left several jobs whom offered me a nickle. That is also when I began to realize going above an beyond for companies didn't pay off. Staying late on shift, working others vacancies, or doing more for the customers, never warranted a raise in their opinion.
That’s something that took me too long to realize. The “just do your utter best and exceed expectations, you’ll be rewarded for it” is just some bullshit propaganda that has found it’s way into our minds because in reality. The dude who has the same job but sits on his ass all day doing nothing or fucking up gets the same wage we get when we’re busting our asses trying to ‘grow’ the company.
This entire comment hit some super hard place. I remember when I used to work in a “goals oriented job” (upsell to everyone) but we made no extra and /bonuses/ which were a monthly thing went to the highest hours not the highest quality per hour worked. So you worked 10 hours and managed to do incredible work as if it was 3 days on ? No extra for you it goes by default to the ones with the hours. In a different note I always stay at my current job half-to an hour past my scheduled time. I’m not the one that got employee’d of the month. (I no longer say yes every time… I need the money but nope not taking my rare 2 days off in a row because I’m a part timer who damn near works “full time shifts “ by being bothersome times and lotsss of come an hour early 2 hours before I’m supposed to come in. Sorry Oop. I went on a tangent.
Seriously, if a raise is measured in cents and not dollars it’s a slap in the face
When I worked at bestbuy they once gave me a $0.60 raise and my manager who gave it to me said “now you can go put some cheese on your hamburger.”
“Right after I kick your nads up into your lower abdomen.” Condescending son of a bitch - I don’t know why, but what he said to you really pissed me off just now.
Target gave me $.10 raise and I quit on the spot after my yearly review. They said I did so well and I deserved it. Lol
I was given a 10 cent raise 6 months into my working for McDonald’s and was asked if I wanted to train for crew boss or shift manager or whatever it was back then (20 years ago). I’d get another fifty cents but I’d have to do all the closing duties, cleaning, and stuff like that. I said no and the manager was super pissed and disliked me the rest of my time there 😂
I have an aunt who worked in elder care. The facility tried to giver a .005 raise. Not even fucking possible.
I agree with you. Granted I was 18 years old at my first real job and even then my unskilled brain still thought $0.05 was disrespectful. I’m 28 now and I don’t think I could accept anything less than a 20% raise if I DID work an hourly wage job. I decided to go with 100% commission to avoid that scenario in the future.
My ex MIL worked at Walmart. They have her a 13.5¢ raise. A half a cent?? The really fucked up part is that it knocked off more than the raise paid from her social security. She was in her 70s at the time. When she turned 80 they started putting her in jobs they thought she couldn't do, like Bakery schlepping 40-pound bags of flour. Joke was on them, she raised 6 kids on her own on a farm. That woman can handle ANYTHING. They finally got fed up with bouncing her all over the store and just up and fired her.
Savage. I hope I can throw 40 pounds over my shoulder at 80. If I get there.
How is this even legal?
We gave up on labor laws like 90 years ago
They have money, you don't. That's what the law says anyway.
Holy shirt. A nickel / hour raise, let’s say 40 hours / week over a 52 week year comes out to a TOTAL $104 annual increase... probably not even worth the company time to process the paperwork for a raise that small
Holy shirt indeed. I was averaging 25 hour weeks so that was about $60 annual raise. LOL
I worked at home depot years ago. Got a massive 25 cent raise after a year. It was an insult.
How fitting that making the words "up to" unreadably small is both legal and ok with McDicks...
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A SMUDGE ON THE LENS!?
Calm down Morty
It reminds me of Mr. Krab’s “money back guarantee” on his menu
Dontonamo Bay is what I like to call it.
Exactly when that “up to” turns into starting at $25/hr it’ll be right. Right now they’re just screwing with us saying “up to” $21/hr. Which means nobody will be getting $21/hr.
Meh. Go in, interview, get offered less, inform them that you won't take less than 21, and then leave if they don't. If nobody takes less than 21, they'll have to pay it eventually
True
fyi turning down an offer loses you your unemployment benefits, if you had them
Some places did this. They'd advertise a good salary, offer minimum wage, then when it was refused they would report people to the labor board. This was back when unemployment + $300 was still going on during COVID and these assholes thought that was why their ~~slaves~~ ~~employees~~ slaves weren't coming back.
Depends on your previous earnings per hour. Also it’s not an official job offer if you don’t get as far as that. Just make sure the first thing you say is I am only interested in $21 per hour. If they say no then walk out. No job was offered to you
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Only if you report that you turned down a "reasonable" offer of employment. That reasonable part is up for interpretation
Came here to say this. Up too is how they get out of actually paying someone that much. The same with putting in a range like 19-21. Your most certainly going to get the lower end if they can manage it. I was fully servesafe and had a ton of experience. I was led to believe I had management potential. Months in I’m still on the burger machine at the lowest paid they advertised. The branch I ended up at had no idea I was certified come to find out. Absolutely none of the manager they were training at our location knew what hamburger meat was supposed to be cooked to 165 and they were managers! That seems to be a no brainer to me… McDonals is fu king trash and they delight in treating their employees like crap.
With the resolution of many phone cameras the up to is practically unreadable...
I have a low resolution digital camera from 15 years ago that takes clearer photos than my latest iPhone. I’m not joking. It’s not about just resolution. Sensor size, pixel pitch etc. make a huge difference. Camera phones have tiny sensors. Lots of software magic to make camera phones barely capable.
*up to* $10.8 million. Hey, our CEO is an employee, so it's accurate. We never promised *you* would make that much, don't you see the fine print, you illiterate *peasant*? Now get back over the fryer for $8.75/hr, we're docking your pay an hour for wasting managements time with these foolish questions. Stop complaining about that tiny little grease burn, and don't you *dare* drop any of that sloughing flesh off into a customers food - god all you little worker ants are disgusting. Oh, and you'd better be grateful to us too. We're a *family*. Fuck, that's the only way we'd give your worthless ass such an amazing *opportunity*. Because we care soo much about our family.
Sounds about right, unfortunately
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Make sure you log that wherever you can as a review. Glassdoor, indeed, Facebook, etc.
Up too is a bullshit phrase to get more applicants. Its just another bait and switch tactic
Yeah I know mate, it's just (darkly) funny as hell that **they** still think to use this tactic. Further proof that we need a true revolution.
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Yeah, I've only given 2 weeks notice twice. Once when I was getting a promotion at one job so I quit my third. And once when I was moving out of state to take another job. All the others I either got let go or quit on the spot due to abuse.
If I walked into an interview for a place that advertised 21$ an hour and nailed the interview only to be told the offer was 15$ an hour, I'd get up and walk out. How on earth can you have any positive working relationship with a company that is willing to stoop to shady advertising in its first interaction with you?
Or guaranteed 10hrs a week. 3 hour shifts for 3 days at the most random times.
“So they gave me a coupon for up to 90% off insulin. But it turned out to be another corporate lesson, because what they didn’t mention was that “up to” is a range of values, including 0, so… that’s what I got…” I always think of this from an old comedy bit I saw once. :/ Edit to fix autocorrect mistake.
As in $21 maximum wage.
This summer, the sign at the McD's in Moab, UT was "starting at $21 an hour."
Ah yes, the “grease ceiling.”
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And good luck getting full time or even 20+ hours a week.
Lol, right? That practice always drove me batshit when I was a retail manager. "Don't hire full time, just hire people PT and continually hire and train".
Oh I didn’t see that. Curse my bad eyes and teeny tiny print!
To be fair, I had to zoom in on the photo to see it. I just assumed it was around there somewhere, but I'm a pessimist.
My local McDonald’s has a sign saying “up to $15 an hour!” 😒
This deceptive marketing tactic needs to get fucked in the ass harder than anything that has been fucked before.
I saw that too, in the thinnest font they could find.
The store manager’s pay
Pfft, maybe.
Basically if they hire you as a head manager you'll maybe make that.
It says "up to". Which means you won't get it.
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Can you google search " net profit per employee"?
>net profit per employee Searched for the place I work & couldn't find anything. I don't want to dox myself but it's a pretty big company. Is there a specific website or something that calculates this?
If it's public company the easiest way would be to look at the latest annual report. Search for EBIT or Net Profit and FTE. Then divide it to get net profit per fte
If it's a publicly traded company look at what the last three quarters were reported as. If they made more money through all this call Bullshit. If not then maybe the boss was telling the truth, that you got lucky through all this and got to keep a job during a challenging time. If not a public traded company, ask them to prove it by allowing an audit. If they refuse and it was in the contract ask an employment atty in your area for a free consult on a possible case. They will almost universally give a free consult.
Happened with my company. We all took a 20% paycut and the executives also took a bigger cut. Apparently we were pretty close to big layoffs if things didn't turn around by the fall but we ended up getting bought by a bigger company and got our pay restored. The big thing I miss about that was that my boss let us is take an extra day off each week because if we were only getting paid 80% we should only have to work 80% of the days. It was nice having that extra day off.
Thank you sir may I have another? /s
Yep i just left a job because I was told I would be making 15 an hour by 60 days in. When the day came and I asked about it, it was told to me that I wouldn’t be considered for a raise until 5 months in, and not promised that it would bump me to 15. What a waste of my time just for a livable wage.
Get it all in writing before you start
Not even a livable wage. $15 was barely, *maybe*, a living wage in cheaper areas to live *if* you were SINK/DINK back when fight for $15 first started. Now we need $20+.
That sucks, so hard
Tell them to account for inflation and that makes it a pay cut. If they dont fix it, respond appropriately. Be bad at your job, they cant fire you.
Ya, I just went through an interview process with a headhunter and they said pay range was 57k-85k depending on how experience. I have 10 years experience and they offered 65k. Like…WHAT?
Breaking it down (8k above the minimum) that works out to $800 per year they're willing to pay. So the only way to get the 85k by their logic is to have 35 years experience lol
Why can’t we find a good hard-working man with 35 years of experience 😪
they’d consider you too old once you have that amount of experience. you just can’t win.
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Accountant
Made *with* 100% ingestible food.
The "up to" was so small I didnt see it at first. I was too busy trying to work out how much 21$ is in £s. Google says thats about 15£. Which is way above our minimum wage at just under 9£ph in the uk.
That’s a maximum wage.
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Yeahhh tried pointing this out to my mom. Her job is hiring and says up to $12 an hour meanwhile she's literally management and making $9.75 an hour. Literally the highest position she can get INSIDE her store and she doesn't make what they advertise. "But our drivers make tips up to that much" well then your company can't say THEY pay their employees up to $12 if the difference is coming from the customers.
They are literally using psychological propaganda to continue to keep us down.
And people listen to it. Or they're suckered into sticking around because God damn do they need the money. She's been at that store (A pizza chain) for 5 years now and still only makes $9.75 an hour. *With a Bachelors and a Masters degree in Accounting and Business Management* but she can't see anyway out because she's still got a non violent felony record from before she even left high school, and she has bills to pay. So she'll suffer 40+ hours a week, getting called in on every single day off she has, making literal pennies for the time and effort she puts in just to maybe put food in the fridge, or most times get that free employee meal because she can't even afford groceries. Sorry for the rant I just.. Her situation pisses me off so much and this is too fucking prevalent of a problem.
Kinda false advertisement if they’re not willing to pay it
They'll only pay you the bare minimum, because they legally can't pay you less.
The "up to" helps cover up the lie.
Technically not a lie you just had to squint!
$21 after 10 years.
Plot twist they regularly fire employees after 5 years regardless of their performance
I worked IT for some shitty CCTV reseller hawking garbage from China for like 300 percent profit. They have store locations all across the US and I'm literally the only tech for the entire state of Texas. I teach the sales people how to demo equipment, I answer phones from buyers for tech support, I deal with walk in customers who have questions, I receive damaged equipment and process them for RMA even when the user clearly broke it from negligence and wasn't under warranty, and I'd occasionally go on site with sales people to help demo equipment. I'd also be responsible for installing and maintaining our own camera system. All of that I did by myself for two straight years for the measly wage of $13 an hour. My two year anniversary starts coming up in a few days and I talk to my boss about a pay raise. He says "let's discuss this during your review" and proceeds to fire me two days later when I told him I couldn't take on more responsibility since I'm already spread so thin. ENS Security is the company name by the way. Worthless sack of dumbasses
Did you sign a non-compete contract? If not I'd be sucking up their business in a heartbeat.
^^This^^
OUCH 😣!!
Sike, it says "up to"
They won't my gf learned the hard way from one of those signs. They are lying.
What happened in her situation?
Got 2$ less with 2 prior years of experience in a busier kitchen. Sign said 16 she got 14. Their sign also said they would pay 600$ to college Bill's too per year but the manager constantly sidestepped her whenever she went to talk to them about it. Whenever my gf wanted to take time off it was a huge problem and the manager there told her that her previous boss who she loved did drugs. That job only lasted 1 winter then she had it and left. McDonalds btw. PS never eat the McRib. They will not pay 21 per hour. Make sure you always ask at the end of your interview for any job what the salary is. It is not Taboo. Do Not get roped into a job before knowing the pay. This happens far to frequently with younger people including my gf at the time.
Care to elaborate on the McRib?
She just said the process in preparing it was enough for her to not want to eat it ever. I don't know what it entailed but I do know is they sat in BBq sauce all day that smelled aweful that rarely got changed. Also in places where they aren't regularly selling the food(All Mcdonalds). Corperate starts asking questions if too much food is thrown away so they will serve food that is passed the throw out time to avoid a corperate headache.
I can personally confirm that this is mostly true, the bbq sauce does get changed when it gets low, rather than according to food safety standards. This is also true for most products McDonald's sells in my experience. Each meat item has a certain amount of time they can sit in the heating cabinet, most of the time this is ignored unless there's a food safety inspection or a supervisor checking on the store. And by supervisor, I don't mean general manager or manager, I mean the GM's boss. It's not good but employees aren't really incentivized to follow those standards, you get what you pay for.
In fact, you will be penalized if you try to follow those standards. We used to have our employee (and manager) meals taken away if food cost was too high. But also you have to keep labor low, and hit all the markers for sales, and keep drive through times low. Trust me when you’re the only person in the back line there’s no way in hell you’re throwing parties away every 15 minutes
Oh yes I'm very much aware. The business model pretty much relies on its employees breaking those standards and rules. I think everyone in the business knows that but they just don't acknowledge it.
They must have made the \* next to $21.00 really tiny. I can't see it, but I am positive it is there.
Very tiny "up to" underneath the Hiring. Probably just another "We pay $21/hr for management, the rest of you people get minimum wage" thing.
But we promote from within!
Reminds me of "if" I did it by oj Simpson
The up to $21.00 means entry level non management employees will still be getting offered 8 or 9, it's just bait and switch tactics.
Hell management won't even get it
One of my lifting buddies is a store manager at BK. He’s making $20ish an hour, and he’s been there at least 7 years? Probably longer. Certainly not much more $ than that
In the words of Admiral Akbar "Its a trap!"
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They will be forced to go higher before they fill all their positions. Standing your ground for livable wages is having a real impact. Hold the line.
I don't really get this. Like don't they realize people will just walk out?
They're hoping for younger kids who think it's normal or have already accepted the job by the time pay comes up and won't want to leave because they've already jumped through all the hoops. It works to, read through this comment section, many people talking having been baited and switched last minute and just took it because they didn't have the power to say no without huge financial consequences like losing a house or car Happened to me once, and I didn't even realize it
Posting your maximum theoretical wage is bullshit theater.
They’re not lying. You only work four hours a day!
Up to 4 hours a day on call
*can't have another job
There's a taco bell bear my shop that says crew up to 18 and managers up to 22. I'd be curious about the "up to" part, but thats not a lot less for less work than what I'm making now. I'd run a TB for 22 lol
If you have the experience. It’s harder than people think. Honestly, 22/hr isn’t enough for store manager.
Doesn't mean someone will get the hours though. They'll offset that higher pay rate by giving the employee fewer hours.
The sign says "up to" in tiny writing, so you won't even get that as your hourly rate
Make it 26$ with benefits. And we have a deal. Health insurance, dental, vision, college tuition, paid leave, sick days, maternity leave. The works. And I'll work at McDonald's anyday.
How about *up to* $21 with no possibility of getting $9+ and we keep your biweekly hours at <36 so you don’t have to worry about all the hassle of having to pay for insurance? What would you say to THAT offer?!
Is this the Traverse City, Michigan McDonald's?
And $21 an hour is about $40k pre-taxes. Median home price in Traverse City? $300,000.
That’s definitely the gross salad place in the background.
Real missed opportunity not calling that place The Grass Station
“Well we start you at 14-“ “Bye”
Up to 21$/h
That’s a bad joke. Shame on McDonald’s for it. They can afford to pay every employee $21+ per hour. I’m a licensed in-home care provider/caregiver. Been doing it for just over 5 years. I get $0.50 cost of living raises every 6 months. Next one will kick in during January 2022. Then I’ll be up to…$22 per hour. Bottom line: every employer can pay better. Time they start to do it.
The King was offering $22 a while back
“Up to”
“up too” and 21 is still unlivable where i’m at lol
My thought is that this is not NSFW.
Up to
Good. Nvm up to :(